What people dont understand. Yamaha is the kingnof small motors. I say nothing come close to it. Take motorcycle from ybr 150 to MT 1 . They have earth shattering perfomance and over the top reliability. Yamaha is not playing games any more, they are here to win and they have a proven track record. I have evinrude motor , was almost buying a honda but once i heard the opnion about what the dealers of outboard motor use themselves. They only choose yamaha and say 8 years no issues. These motors are bulletproof.
This was great, thanks for the honest assessment. I’m a Honda guy, but I usually buy with reliability as my main concern. I still agree with your ranking.
I do like your opinion but in my personal experience the only 2 motors I have ever run into was a mercury that stopped working miss trip and a Honda which was a prick to Start and was always having issues out on the water as far as sazuki and Yamaha goes I am currently running a Yamaha it's fantastic but I have have one incident out at see where it took about an hour to get started and for Suzuki it's the only motor that's never given me any issues and it's what a m looking to put back on my boat this coming year
I have a 2008 yamaha F150 on a Skeeter SL190 F&S. It's my first 4 stroke and really sips the gas and have had absolutely no problems. Plus, maintenance is a breeze and all of the internals are meticulously designed. This particular 4 stroke will not win any races, but it will absolutely bring you home.
Just put of curiosity I have a 16 bass tracker and want to repower it with a new Suzuki 50 HP which 1 of the 50s do you think would run the best on a aluminum boat in your opinion
Glad to hear positives about the small Suzuki. I've had a 20 HP for a year now that I use on my 13 foot inflatable for diving. Thing runs great but I've had people tell me that the internals, valves to be exact, rust and cause problems over time. Your thoughts?
Whats your pick on a 90 or 115 on an 18 to 20 aluminum boat. Looking for reliability, longevity quietness and just overall build quality in terms of thoughtful engineering.
One important consideration when buying an engine. There are Yamaha service centers all over the place. When buying a Suzuki, you might want to check how far away the nearest service center is to you.
@@TeamMarineService 😭 The others are just as easy. Give us a break down on replacing a voltage regulator on that Suzuki vs a belt on the Mercury Alternator. Lol
We had an early 2000 Lund Fisherman with a 130 Honda. That Honda ran flawless, never much problems. My dad liked it the most because of how fuel efficient the Honda was. Last Winter, my dad bought a newer Lund pro v, that has a 175 Merc Verado. I’m interested to see whether he like the Honda or Merc better.
great Video mate. I went for a 30hp Suzuki on my little boat. OMG i love it, i went from a 18Hp Tohatsu to my new Suzie, man i am in heaven! Keep up the good work.
I am looking at a second hand boat and it has a Suzuki df140 2017 model. When I check the gauge the engine hour is less than the trip hours 79 vs 84. What could be the explanation for this? Thanks.
Great insights. I'd be very interested in your thoughts comparing a Merc 115 pro xs ct vs Suzuki 140 for a older repower that cant handle weight of larger engines. Thanks!
I’m looking for this too. I’ve heard mixed things about the 140, but the 150 is too heavy for my older boat. The merc 115 seems like a great motor, but I can get more hp/lb and dollar with that 140.
I live on the East coast down in Savannah GA and I'm currently running the Suzuki 250 SS on a 22' CC that I run salt and fresh and I love the engine. It's the first Suzuki that I've ever personally owned and I really couldn't be happier. For those curious about speed... with my particular boat, which, loaded with fuel, ice, rods and bait, is right around 4200 lbs, her happy cruising speed seems to be around 36-38 at approx. 3500-3600 rpm and my average mpg are usually between 2.6-3.6 at those RPMs, just really depends on the weight and the conditions and I've seen 55 at around 5800. Overall, I give her a thumbs up!
Hello guys, I bought a boat with an old Yamaha outboard 2-stroke engine built in 1983 50HP Model: 6F4 and I can't find a parts list or repair instructions. This engine is not listed anywhere. I'm desperate, someone please help me. Thanks in advance
inboard vs outboard, I'm looking at Windys and Regals and most of them do the Volvo Penta inboards and my bias to inboard is ppls say that for theft it's better with an inboard etc. What's your take?! ps also Honda biased ;) also Suzuki which ppl love!
i am considering a repower for my 1756 Xpress jon and am rated for 90hp. I also run a tiller and a CMC HYDRO LIFT rated for 300 hp. My main concerns are reliability and speed carrying a load and lastly being able to get up in shallow tidal areas ( 8 to 12 inches ) Which would you recommend a Suzuki 90 or a Yamaha SHO? Thanks for your input.
I have a 07 stratos 275xl dual consol, going to be re-powering this spring. Looking at a new Vmax SHO 115 and the Suzuki SS 115. Which motor would you recommend? Also would you recommend a jack plate, and if so what size set back? Thank you ,love the channel!
I am looking at the 80 mercury, 90 suzuki and yamaha 80. Are they all good? Or is yamaha or suzuki the only choice for a long life reliable performance?
Appreciate the video and the straight shooting. I currently have a old 2001 90 mercury 2stroke . I was leaning towards the SHO 115 . Now I have to throw Suzuki in the mix now. Purely saltwater fishing.What prop would you suggest pushing a 1720 key west sportmans. CC. not loaded down with anyone else just me . The mercury pushes me at 42 slick day fully trimmed out. Running a 21 pitch stainless. Have you heard any issues with ordering the boxed motors from oversees other than never getting the motor, as far as mechanically? Love the channel keep up the great work .
Given Honda hasn’t gotten caught up in the huge horsepower battles like Yamaha and Merc with 400 hp outboards, how does their 250 compare? The Honda 250 has a 2.0 gear case and revs to 6,300 RPM while the Yamaha stops at 6,000. I couldn’t find the Yamaha gearing. Granted the Yamaha has more displacement, but shouldn’t they perform pretty similar with the right prop?
Looked at Zukes here in CO, issue came up with service. Only one dealer in state two hours away for them. My merc and yammy service centers plenty of them around. When motor is out of warranty getting parts for my merc and yammy easier either thru service or online, find getting zuke parts was difficult. Even tohatsu has a nice parts center in texas. Think Suzuki has better chance of survival than evinrude if they start getting more shops opened up.
What about the 200 ss. I want to repower my TR 196 but unsure the i4 will get any speed at all. Cheaper than other brands, better warranty but I cants see a 4 cylinder keeping up. Just looking for good info before I make a purchase
That's an understandable question to have...put it this way the Suzuki's make power on their bore and stroke size where Mercury has to add cylinders to make power. Times have changed in regards to the power a 4 cylinder can put out.
I pulling around 5200 -5300 fully trimmed. Cruising speed 32 mph , I rarely open it up , she's old . I found two sites on the boxed motors oversees however there are reports they never show up and then battle begins trying to make a claim.
Hey Andy love the videos but I got a question. I have a little older df25 Suzuki and my prop is pretty beat up was wondering what a good replacement for it maybe? thank you
Well I'm glad found this channel. Just traded my Merc 25 for a Suzuki 40 upgrade and was uncertain about the decision but starting to get a better feeling about it now.
@@luidolinsek2904 after a few months running the Suzuki hands down better. Starts better, idles better, being new it's not made in China like the Merc. I am happy as hell so far with zuke so far.
Agree the SHO is hard to beat can it be done absolutely a little tweaking here and there by either company could make them that much better. I'm interested in the price difference between the 3 as well that plays a big part in people decision making. Great video keep up the good work 👍
My dad runs a barge service to Cumberland Island. He runs 250hp on 20’ boat pushing 40’ aluminum barge. Really works a motor as you can imagine. It’s all salt water. He has run Yamaha and Suzuki, several of each. The Suzuki’s have held up the best by a good margin especially the lower units. I have a 200 SHO on my 18’ Ranger and it’s awesome.
New to boats. 06 Bass Tracker with a 50 2 stroke. Its been a fantastic boat for the local rivers. Love 2 stroke. Whats your feelings on that motor. Mercury 50.
Thanks for the video, I'm chasing 200hp twin engines for a 30ft heavy boat, I'm considering mercury, suzuki or yamaha. I'm not too worried about the performance however, I'm after something that is light, and WILL NOT brake. I make my living by diving and fishing trips, What is your advice. Thanks again.
My Friend ordered 2 250 hp E-tec . Could not get them because of the pandemic . So he ordered 2 Suzuki's . I'am glade he did. Waiting for controls, but time will tell. Break them in this year and run them hard next year and many more down the road. I'm with you all the way.
Thank you for this video. I’m in the market for a Suzuki 115 SS rn the price point between the SHO and the SS are a big difference for me and you telling me that the performance of both are very similar helps me out a lot
@@TeamMarineService is that 115 SS motor is a cheater like the SHO line? For example the 90 SHO is a 100, the 115 is same as the 130 regular Yam. If not, it is not fair to compare a 90 SHO to a regular DF90, eventhough both of them have 90 stickers.
@@carbonduke01 Looking at Suzukis page. The SS seems to only have different graphics. Everything else on their spec sheet is the same as their regular 115
Team Marine Service Will probably be early next year before I go for it. Seems like the perfect repower option for us with older boats that we are attached to. I’m guessing the low hp rumors are exaggerated?
@@ScruffyCityFishing The suzuki "140" is a 128hp engine. This is stated on the EPA website where the manufacturer provided all power/fuel/etc stats for their certificate of compliance. This can also be inferred from the stated fuel burn which is only slightly more than their 115 and significantly less than 135 Hondas, and 150 Yamaha and Mercs. For those curious the Yam and Merc 150's are both 160hp engines.
After much research, I went with twin 200 Suzukis to repower my 266SF Worldcat. Now I’m refitting a 16’ Kenner with a Suzuki 90hp. My gripe with Suzuki is they are slow to distribute their smaller hp motors to their dealers.
I have a 25 hp Suzuki. Love it! We went to Alaska a month ago and about all I saw up there were Suzuki. It’s a tough ass environment.Shit, everything in Alaska is a tough ass !!
I love my Honda BF200. The thing that brought me to pick a Honda Outboard was the customer service I got with Honda. I had a Yamaha water product that I had problems with and it was like pulling teeth to get it fixed right. My original BF200 had a design flaw in the throttle area. Honda kept in contact with me to see if the repairs worked. It didn't and they replaced the motor with a new BF200. I will never by a Yamaha product after yhe way they treated me. Thank you HONDA!!!!
Had first year model BF200. Had a recall on main wiring harness but mine only had 50 hours and it wasn’t the problem. Early model had problem with plug in “BOX” the one that has 3 solenoids that shutoff ignition, fuel pump, and injection when kill switch is activated. Finally found out why my motor was cutting out at higher power setting when the “BOX” finally caught fire. It was only like $60 and I was busy fighting war after Sept 11 (Engine only had 60 hours after 4 years). Warranty was 3 years and Honda refused to even give me the part I could replace myself. Part was a know manufacturing issue as Honda was on version 3 already. I had the exact opposite customer service from Honda headquarters. Part should have been part of a safety recall if it is known to catch fire
@@TeamMarineService One other question. If I got line in my prop. And I've used the motor about four times since. Now I am leaking oil out of lower unit. Most likely it's the seal? And how much to replace?? Thank you if you can help!
I want to repower my 99 462vs Comanche, and I’ve been stuck between the sho and ss. I’m in the madison area and fish a lot of lake wisco and smaller rivers and lakes so I def want good reliability. But obvi top speed in a bass boat is important.
i may have missed it -- you may have skipped past honda reliability. would you say yamaha and suzuki are more, less or equal to honda in reliability. i understand yamaha and suzuki pass honda in performance power. would you say honda will be more reliable by possibly sacrificing a bit of top end power ?
We covered it briefly...honda specializes in reliability! We would give Honda the reliability edge over yamaha and say it's neck and neck with Suzuki's reliability
@@TeamMarineService neck and neck. Lol not quite. Honda destroys them all in reliability. I rather get home a few minutes later than not making it back with top performance.
I just bought a df25athl and cant wait to get it broke in and see what its about. I know it aint a power house but on a lowe uv1667 it should be a nice reliable engine that i can runaround all day on. I always was a suzuki guy both on land and on sea.
@@TeamMarineService well its been a yr since I bought my 25 and now I have Suzuki fever! this engine is so smooth and quiet I cant get over it! and I can get 27mph in my boat. When i get my 21 foot coastal vokey I will be getting a df200ap for sure
I think when you compare motor of equal horsepower you have to make sure all factors are equal. For speed I would like to see actual data on the same boat at the same weight. For me its reliability. That is the most important aspect when you are out on the water. Loved this video. I am going to look at a boat like a Ranger Rug. I am looking at reliability in regards to the motor. If you have to put a motor on a boat and play on the great lakes which would you put on? Yamaha, Honda, Merc of Suzuki?
I’m not a mechanic, but I have long come to the same observation. Won’t share the merc banter here. Challenge is the new every year owners don’t have to worry about reliability.
Really appreciate the video!! Either going with a 60 suzuki or a 60 merc for a grizzly tracker 1860 (Big Jon). Would you suggest one motor over the other?
Dave Turner agreed. The F70 is the unsung hero in the class. 250ish pounds and 70 hp is pretty hard to beat in my mind. It’s what is pushing my 1860 Xpress.
You need more than a 60 on a 1860. I have the Mercury 60 on a 1754 and it tops out about 32 mph loaded. The Mercury 4 is quieter than any of the Japanese brands. I used them all. All good motors
Been thinking about getting a new 225 pro xs for my 22ft bay boat got a 2016 pro xs on it now think i’ll stay with that for now to Mercury work out all the bugs on the new motors
Just some info for everyone. Sometimes those "Japanese" engines aren't made in Japan. Worked on a little Honda 2.3Hp the other day and it was made in China. I've seen plenty of smaller Suzukis made in Thailand. Some small Yamahas have made in France on the tag. Finally, the other Japanese manufacturer Tohatsu is becoming popular here in South Florida- especially the smaller engines- Which by the way are virtually identical to the small Mercs they build.
thank you for your honest rating im a current 250 Johnson ocean pro old motor never gave me a drop of problems but the time has come to upgrade new motors getting 3xs the fuel economy of my old 2 stroke with better performance but going offshore i am starting to get a little nervous 20 yrs 0 problems but i think its getting time to give the old girl a break there will be some one out there who will be glad to get a cheap reliable motor for boating around the bays but going off shore its time thanks again for your assessment look forward to looking at some of your other videos'
Charger 210 and 198 are a rebadged Champion basically. It is an exact copy of the Champion hull and top cap. Even some of the champion employees now work for charger. Also bass cat builds a boat called the puma hybrid that has a copy of the champion hole with the puma top cap
We've had that comment before but pricing is all dependent on what dealer you go too. We are a Suzuki dealer and we get 250SS's for super cheap and sell them for a price that's competitive with our market. Suzuki pricing would win in every video if we were the dealer because we could sell them for whatever price we wanted too
@@TeamMarineService the pricing where I am at seems to agree with your ranking of Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda. e.g 100hp Yamaha is 1k more than Suzuki, and 3k more than Honda.
This Brand Battle was just the Japanese brands! In our opinion reliability wise Mercury is in last place. Performance wise they are probably on top with Yamaha nipping at their heals
@@paulcoenen7918 there is only 1 choice for simple and reliable that is the Honda/Tohatsu. Not going to win a speed boat race, but you will get great fuel economy and a quit reliable motor. There is a reason dealers don’t talk about Honda’s much, they never see them again after the sale.
What people dont understand. Yamaha is the kingnof small motors. I say nothing come close to it. Take motorcycle from ybr 150 to MT 1 . They have earth shattering perfomance and over the top reliability. Yamaha is not playing games any more, they are here to win and they have a proven track record. I have evinrude motor , was almost buying a honda but once i heard the opnion about what the dealers of outboard motor use themselves. They only choose yamaha and say 8 years no issues. These motors are bulletproof.
Thanks for the video. Re-powering my boat with a 200 HP Suzuki. Glad to hear you positive thoughts on the brand.
Glad we could help!
This was great, thanks for the honest assessment. I’m a Honda guy, but I usually buy with reliability as my main concern. I still agree with your ranking.
👍🏻👍🏻
You’re 100% right, my Honda isn’t the fastest but man that thing will fire up every time no questions asked. Low maintenance is all I can ask for!
Hondas are heavy.
Yamaha suck.
Suzuki hands down it makes gas. Always starts.
I do like your opinion but in my personal experience the only 2 motors I have ever run into was a mercury that stopped working miss trip and a Honda which was a prick to Start and was always having issues out on the water as far as sazuki and Yamaha goes I am currently running a Yamaha it's fantastic but I have have one incident out at see where it took about an hour to get started and for Suzuki it's the only motor that's never given me any issues and it's what a m looking to put back on my boat this coming year
@@user-maxim_79Yamahas are actually the heavy ones
I have a 2008 yamaha F150 on a Skeeter SL190 F&S. It's my first 4 stroke and really sips the gas and have had absolutely no problems. Plus, maintenance is a breeze and all of the internals are meticulously designed. This particular 4 stroke will not win any races, but it will absolutely bring you home.
Loved your perspective and your expertise
Just put of curiosity I have a 16 bass tracker and want to repower it with a new Suzuki 50 HP which 1 of the 50s do you think would run the best on a aluminum boat in your opinion
Looking at buying a 2016 pontoon with a 200 Honda, whats the feedback on these motors? Not many Hondas down here in Louisiana. Thanks
I like the way you look at it! Thanks for the honest advice on outboard motors. Keep up the great videos.
Thank you very much John! 👍🏻
Has 2024 Honda Vtec closed the lead on performance?
Glad to hear positives about the small Suzuki. I've had a 20 HP for a year now that I use on my 13 foot inflatable for diving. Thing runs great but I've had people tell me that the internals, valves to be exact, rust and cause problems over time. Your thoughts?
Happens to any engine that isn’t used for long periods of time. Nothing to worry about
What do you guys have to say about the tohatsu? Are they any good?
They are solid reliable outboards
Whats your pick on a 90 or 115 on an 18 to 20 aluminum boat. Looking for reliability, longevity quietness and just overall build quality in terms of thoughtful engineering.
One important consideration when buying an engine. There are Yamaha service centers all over the place. When buying a Suzuki, you might want to check how far away the nearest service center is to you.
Valid point!
I have always had Mercury and recently changed to Honda. Wow what a motor so easy to start , runs super smooth and sips the fuel.
Which is easier routine maintenance
Suzuki
@@TeamMarineService 😭 The others are just as easy. Give us a break down on replacing a voltage regulator on that Suzuki vs a belt on the Mercury Alternator. Lol
We had an early 2000 Lund Fisherman with a 130 Honda. That Honda ran flawless, never much problems. My dad liked it the most because of how fuel efficient the Honda was. Last Winter, my dad bought a newer Lund pro v, that has a 175 Merc Verado. I’m interested to see whether he like the Honda or Merc better.
How is the Suzuki df 250 I’m planning to buy a sea ark 2672 boat. I need some advice
great Video mate. I went for a 30hp Suzuki on my little boat. OMG i love it, i went from a 18Hp Tohatsu to my new Suzie, man i am in heaven! Keep up the good work.
Heck Yeah! That 30 is a great little motor!
I am looking at a second hand boat and it has a Suzuki df140 2017 model. When I check the gauge the engine hour is less than the trip hours 79 vs 84. What could be the explanation for this? Thanks.
Just hit your channel for the first time today. All I can say is. AWESOME! 👍🏿
What is your opinion on the lite weight 70 hp Yamaha??
What is currently the best 8hp outboard motor? Thanks in advance ☺️
We would say Suzuki purely because of the great warranty. All of the Japanese brands are solid at that hp level
Is there anyway you could tell me what is the diameter fuel hose from my Yamaha 5hp msht. I have the internal small gas tank on top.
Great insights. I'd be very interested in your thoughts comparing a Merc 115 pro xs ct vs Suzuki 140 for a older repower that cant handle weight of larger engines. Thanks!
I’m looking for this too. I’ve heard mixed things about the 140, but the 150 is too heavy for my older boat. The merc 115 seems like a great motor, but I can get more hp/lb and dollar with that 140.
@@ScruffyCityFishing Yep, if they could just bring down the weight of the 150s..
@@ScruffyCityFishing let me know what you end up doing. If you pull the trigger on one.
@@ScruffyCityFishing that's why I bought the 140 power to weight and $
I have 2008 Triton VT17 with a Mercury classic 50 2 stroke. Boats rated up to 75hp for the best top speed what brand 70-75hp engine would you choose?
I live on the East coast down in Savannah GA and I'm currently running the Suzuki 250 SS on a 22' CC that I run salt and fresh and I love the engine. It's the first Suzuki that I've ever personally owned and I really couldn't be happier. For those curious about speed... with my particular boat, which, loaded with fuel, ice, rods and bait, is right around 4200 lbs, her happy cruising speed seems to be around 36-38 at approx. 3500-3600 rpm and my average mpg are usually between 2.6-3.6 at those RPMs, just really depends on the weight and the conditions and I've seen 55 at around 5800. Overall, I give her a thumbs up!
👍🏻👍🏻 Awesome!!!!
i'm considering a boat with a f150 yamaha,2019 model,I'm reading about nylon gear issues and harmonic balancer issues, both take the motor out
Hi bos, would you like to Compare fuel Consumption & Services Cost between Honda BF250, Yamaha F250, & Suzuki DF250 for 3 years ❤❤❤❤❤ please.....
What are your thoughts on Tohatsu?
Hello guys, I bought a boat with an old Yamaha outboard 2-stroke engine built in 1983 50HP Model: 6F4 and I can't find a parts list or repair instructions. This engine is not listed anywhere. I'm desperate, someone please help me. Thanks in advance
Hi, what about reliability? Which is best? Honda?
They are all neck in neck when it comes to reliability. We'd say Suzuki though if we had to choose one
Hands down Honda. I’d put Suzuki 2nd
The suzuki has offset gear drives. I wonder if it can beat the yamaha vmax SHO?
Maybe not suzuki heavier then yamaha
hello i have a century 3200 WA 2001 its a heavy boat and i want to repower it. for you which one is better yamaha 300 or suzuki 300.
thanks
Well we are a Suzuki dealer so we would lean towards the Zuk but the Yamaha is a great motor too!
@@TeamMarineService thanks. now which one are better for my boat 2 suzuki 250 or 300 cause my boat is too heavy.
For an offshore rig we personally would go with twin dual prop Suzuki 350's. In any case two 300's would be better than one.
Comment below on what you would like us to discuss next!
inboard vs outboard, I'm looking at Windys and Regals and most of them do the Volvo Penta inboards and my bias to inboard is ppls say that for theft it's better with an inboard etc. What's your take?! ps also Honda biased ;) also Suzuki which ppl love!
Suzuki 115 and 140 vs other contenders would be good for mid power
Used high mile newer outboard vs old low miles outboards. That's my dilema right now. 2021 Tohatsu with 1100 hrs vs 2007 yamaha with 500 hrs.
What's the best 115 for a 19' CC?
We really like the Suzuki 115 SS
@@TeamMarineService that's what I was considering. The new ones have the electric throttle and shifting too
@@TeamMarineService Is the SS the same as the DF115? Seems to be just an appearance package
i am considering a repower for my 1756 Xpress jon and am rated for 90hp. I also run a tiller and a CMC HYDRO LIFT rated for 300 hp. My main concerns are reliability and speed carrying a load and lastly being able to get up in shallow tidal areas ( 8 to 12 inches ) Which would you recommend a Suzuki 90 or a Yamaha SHO? Thanks for your input.
I have a 07 stratos 275xl dual consol, going to be re-powering this spring. Looking at a new Vmax SHO 115 and the Suzuki SS 115. Which motor would you recommend? Also would you recommend a jack plate, and if so what size set back? Thank you ,love the channel!
What would you recomend for salt water off shore outboard . All i vare about is reliable and fuel economy. Dont care at all about speed
Can you do an update for 2024? Thank you!
Keep it coming. Huge fan of your video.
Thanks buddy, More to come!
I am looking at the 80 mercury, 90 suzuki and yamaha 80. Are they all good? Or is yamaha or suzuki the only choice for a long life reliable performance?
In the meanwhile i bought the DF90 SUZUKI for our new Karnic consoleboat. We really wanted that Japanese reliability.
Can you make a video comparing Yamaha, Suzuki, and Honda outboards?
Quick answer: Yamaha = Most performance by a hair over Suzuki (for now).....Suzuki = Most reliable......Honda = Just happy to be in the discussion!
Appreciate the video and the straight shooting. I currently have a old 2001 90 mercury 2stroke . I was leaning towards the SHO 115 . Now I have to throw Suzuki in the mix now. Purely saltwater fishing.What prop would you suggest pushing a 1720 key west sportmans. CC. not loaded down with anyone else just me . The mercury pushes me at 42 slick day fully trimmed out. Running a 21 pitch stainless.
Have you heard any issues with ordering the boxed motors from oversees other than never getting the motor, as far as mechanically?
Love the channel keep up the great work .
What rpm's are you running currently with your merc? Mechanically they are probably fine if one actually shows up
Yes I did consider the mercury 115 . Ive had my 90 for about 15 years. Still runs pretty good
Given Honda hasn’t gotten caught up in the huge horsepower battles like Yamaha and Merc with 400 hp outboards, how does their 250 compare? The Honda 250 has a 2.0 gear case and revs to 6,300 RPM while the Yamaha stops at 6,000. I couldn’t find the Yamaha gearing. Granted the Yamaha has more displacement, but shouldn’t they perform pretty similar with the right prop?
Looked at Zukes here in CO, issue came up with service. Only one dealer in state two hours away for them. My merc and yammy service centers plenty of them around. When motor is out of warranty getting parts for my merc and yammy easier either thru service or online, find getting zuke parts was difficult. Even tohatsu has a nice parts center in texas.
Think Suzuki has better chance of survival than evinrude if they start getting more shops opened up.
You're are totally correct, they do need more service centers! Give them time and they'll expand across the country.
Same here I have 3 Yamaha dealers within 15 minutes of each other and they’re all selling outboards.
What about the 200 ss. I want to repower my TR 196 but unsure the i4 will get any speed at all. Cheaper than other brands, better warranty but I cants see a 4 cylinder keeping up. Just looking for good info before I make a purchase
That's an understandable question to have...put it this way the Suzuki's make power on their bore and stroke size where Mercury has to add cylinders to make power. Times have changed in regards to the power a 4 cylinder can put out.
Team Marine Service thanks for the response, I really appreciate it. Do you have anyone that is running the 200ss, or any videos to share?
We just sold one and it's on back order. When we get it in we will do an unboxing, rigging and test drive vid!
Ciao ho un gommone da 5 metri cosa mi consigli tra yamaha e suzuki ? Motore 40 60
Any suggestions on a prop for a suzuki 150 on an alumacraft competitor 175? I hear they are more difficult to prop.
I pulling around 5200 -5300 fully trimmed. Cruising speed 32 mph , I rarely open it up , she's old .
I found two sites on the boxed motors oversees however there are reports they never show up and then battle begins trying to make a claim.
We've heard the same thing!
Hey Andy love the videos but I got a question. I have a little older df25 Suzuki and my prop is pretty beat up was wondering what a good replacement for it maybe? thank you
Well I'm glad found this channel. Just traded my Merc 25 for a Suzuki 40 upgrade and was uncertain about the decision but starting to get a better feeling about it now.
Suzuki's Rock!!!
Mercury may be tetter but suzuki has 15 more hp so its probuably good trade
@@luidolinsek2904 after a few months running the Suzuki hands down better. Starts better, idles better, being new it's not made in China like the Merc. I am happy as hell so far with zuke so far.
What about performance and less consuming of gas which is better? Btw, I'm planning to buy my 1st motorcycle, tnx.
I used to be a dirt bike guy and for those who remember Yamaha came out with the first high performance 4 stroke in the late 90s.
Agree the SHO is hard to beat can it be done absolutely a little tweaking here and there by either company could make them that much better. I'm interested in the price difference between the 3 as well that plays a big part in people decision making. Great video keep up the good work 👍
Suzuki gives more in less price.
Suzuki is cheaper Yamaha has better performance and Suzuki is probably better reliability, has much longer factory warranty
Great vid Andy! You really look great when you hold your hands in front of your face!
Haha thanks buddy!
My dad runs a barge service to Cumberland Island. He runs 250hp on 20’ boat pushing 40’ aluminum barge. Really works a motor as you can imagine. It’s all salt water. He has run Yamaha and Suzuki, several of each. The Suzuki’s have held up the best by a good margin especially the lower units. I have a 200 SHO on my 18’ Ranger and it’s awesome.
I have owned Yamaha outboards and they have always been very reliable for me.
Where does Mercury fit in compared to the Yamaha and Zukes?
In performance ahead of them...in reliability behind them! 👍🏻
Mercury in a different league bro, get over it.
Great video very truthful thanks.
Thanks for watching! Glad ya liked it
New to boats. 06 Bass Tracker with a 50 2 stroke. Its been a fantastic boat for the local rivers. Love 2 stroke. Whats your feelings on that motor. Mercury 50.
Can y’all post a video of mercury vs the Japanese motors???
You got it! 👍🏻
There is no comparison.
Mercury = Chinese cost savings parts.
Nuf said already. Good day sir.
@@paulcoenen7918 not the 150 HP Merc.
Thanks for the video, I'm chasing 200hp twin engines for a 30ft heavy boat, I'm considering mercury, suzuki or yamaha. I'm not too worried about the performance however, I'm after something that is light, and WILL NOT brake. I make my living by diving and fishing trips, What is your advice. Thanks again.
Twin Suzuki's if it was us! Where are you located?
@@TeamMarineService I'm living in the united arab emirates
Thanks for the reply
Clearly a man that has never had to throw a punch.
#swing1st Hahahaha!!!
@@TeamMarineService meanwhile....dude talking crap is still trying to find his way out of that wet paper bag 😂
What hp Suzuki and prop would you recommend on my 202?
250 ss with a 27 scorpion prop let it eat!!!!
My Friend ordered 2 250 hp E-tec . Could not get them because of the pandemic . So he ordered 2 Suzuki's . I'am glade he did. Waiting for controls, but time will tell. Break them in this year and run them hard next year and many more down the road. I'm with you all the way.
Wow Covid actually did some good! haha Hope it all great for your friend!
My grandparents had a 70 hp yamaha from the 90s hooked up to an 80s delta craft and it was fun
I has hear about some honda down hear in Louisiana oil right with 12k hours you don't find that in suzuki or Yamaha
Thank you for this video. I’m in the market for a Suzuki 115 SS rn the price point between the SHO and the SS are a big difference for me and you telling me that the performance of both are very similar helps me out a lot
That 115 SS rocks!!!
@@TeamMarineService is that 115 SS motor is a cheater like the SHO line? For example the 90 SHO is a 100, the 115 is same as the 130 regular Yam. If not, it is not fair to compare a 90 SHO to a regular DF90, eventhough both of them have 90 stickers.
@@carbonduke01 Looking at Suzukis page. The SS seems to only have different graphics. Everything else on their spec sheet is the same as their regular 115
@@JVRottweil same as overhyped sho
I commented this on another video, but wondering what your thoughts on the Suzuki 140 are.
The Suzuki 140 are great motors. We've selling , rigging and river testing quite a few lately
Team Marine Service Will probably be early next year before I go for it. Seems like the perfect repower option for us with older boats that we are attached to. I’m guessing the low hp rumors are exaggerated?
@@ScruffyCityFishing The suzuki "140" is a 128hp engine. This is stated on the EPA website where the manufacturer provided all power/fuel/etc stats for their certificate of compliance. This can also be inferred from the stated fuel burn which is only slightly more than their 115 and significantly less than 135 Hondas, and 150 Yamaha and Mercs. For those curious the Yam and Merc 150's are both 160hp engines.
After much research, I went with twin 200 Suzukis to repower my 266SF Worldcat. Now I’m refitting a 16’ Kenner with a Suzuki 90hp. My gripe with Suzuki is they are slow to distribute their smaller hp motors to their dealers.
Awesome Ray! You're correct on Suzuki being slow to distribute their smaller hp motors due to the demand for them being so high.
I have a 25 hp Suzuki. Love it! We went to Alaska a month ago and about all I saw up there were Suzuki. It’s a tough ass environment.Shit, everything in Alaska is a tough ass !!
Great info
I love my Honda BF200. The thing that brought me to pick a Honda Outboard was the customer service I got with Honda. I had a Yamaha water product that I had problems with and it was like pulling teeth to get it fixed right. My original BF200 had a design flaw in the throttle area. Honda kept in contact with me to see if the repairs worked. It didn't and they replaced the motor with a new BF200. I will never by a Yamaha product after yhe way they treated me. Thank you HONDA!!!!
That's the most important thing and we are glad that you are gonna be a Honda guy for life now.
Had first year model BF200. Had a recall on main wiring harness but mine only had 50 hours and it wasn’t the problem. Early model had problem with plug in “BOX” the one that has 3 solenoids that shutoff ignition, fuel pump, and injection when kill switch is activated. Finally found out why my motor was cutting out at higher power setting when the “BOX” finally caught fire. It was only like $60 and I was busy fighting war after Sept 11 (Engine only had 60 hours after 4 years). Warranty was 3 years and Honda refused to even give me the part I could replace myself. Part was a know manufacturing issue as Honda was on version 3 already. I had the exact opposite customer service from Honda headquarters.
Part should have been part of a safety recall if it is known to catch fire
What about tohatsu??
We've heard that they make a solid outboard however we've yet to get our hands on one up here.
@@TeamMarineService right on. I hope the Japan reliability holds up. What would you go with yamaha?
Great motor, basically like the Honda
@@TeamMarineService One other question. If I got line in my prop. And I've used the motor about four times since. Now I am leaking oil out of lower unit. Most likely it's the seal? And how much to replace?? Thank you if you can help!
does this cover the smaller engines as well or is this for the 250hps and up?
All horsepowers in general
No mention of Mercury?
This was a Japanese manufacturers battle only
Why can’t we get the Honda 175 in the states?
How do the mercury compare to the Japanese engines. Say a basic 115
It's our opinion that the Japanese brands produce a higher quality outboard.
how about just a 3-5Hp motor? for affordability and performance
Tohatsu: "Am I a joke to you?"
Hahaha! They are solid
@@TeamMarineServicefor an outboard with such a good reputation, I'm perplexed about their lack of dealership footprints around the world.
i was told it was an $80 part and $2800 labor
I want to repower my 99 462vs Comanche, and I’ve been stuck between the sho and ss. I’m in the madison area and fish a lot of lake wisco and smaller rivers and lakes so I def want good reliability. But obvi top speed in a bass boat is important.
Had lots of Suzuki cars and lasted 300,000 kms
Always loved the outboards but never stepped up!
Into old vintage outboards 1930-40’s
i may have missed it --
you may have skipped past honda reliability.
would you say yamaha and suzuki are more, less or equal to honda in reliability.
i understand yamaha and suzuki pass honda in performance power.
would you say honda will be more reliable by possibly sacrificing a bit of top end power ?
We covered it briefly...honda specializes in reliability! We would give Honda the reliability edge over yamaha and say it's neck and neck with Suzuki's reliability
@@TeamMarineService thank you.
@@TeamMarineService neck and neck. Lol not quite. Honda destroys them all in reliability. I rather get home a few minutes later than not making it back with top performance.
I just bought a df25athl and cant wait to get it broke in and see what its about. I know it aint a power house but on a lowe uv1667 it should be a nice reliable engine that i can runaround all day on. I always was a suzuki guy both on land and on sea.
Heck Yeah! Hope it works out well for ya
@@TeamMarineService Thanks! seems like tomorrow will be my first few hrs of break in! got my 15 minute idle break in part done in the barrel.
@@TeamMarineService well its been a yr since I bought my 25 and now I have Suzuki fever! this engine is so smooth and quiet I cant get over it! and I can get 27mph in my boat. When i get my 21 foot coastal vokey I will be getting a df200ap for sure
I think when you compare motor of equal horsepower you have to make sure all factors are equal. For speed I would like to see actual data on the same boat at the same weight. For me its reliability. That is the most important aspect when you are out on the water. Loved this video. I am going to look at a boat like a Ranger Rug. I am looking at reliability in regards to the motor. If you have to put a motor on a boat and play on the great lakes which would you put on? Yamaha, Honda, Merc of Suzuki?
Shocked we ain’t seen any turbo four stroke outboards from any of the big companies yet .
I’m not a mechanic, but I have long come to the same observation. Won’t share the merc banter here. Challenge is the new every year owners don’t have to worry about reliability.
You are 100% correct!
Really appreciate the video!! Either going with a 60 suzuki or a 60 merc for a grizzly tracker 1860 (Big Jon). Would you suggest one motor over the other?
We are a Suzuki dealer so we lean towards Suzuki but in reality we would go with any of the Japanese brands over Merc. Just our opinion!
go with a Yamaha 70
Why not! 👍🏻 Yam's are solid too!
Dave Turner agreed. The F70 is the unsung hero in the class. 250ish pounds and 70 hp is pretty hard to beat in my mind. It’s what is pushing my 1860 Xpress.
You need more than a 60 on a 1860. I have the Mercury 60 on a 1754 and it tops out about 32 mph loaded. The Mercury 4 is quieter than any of the Japanese brands. I used them all. All good motors
Been thinking about getting a new 225 pro xs for my 22ft bay boat got a 2016 pro xs on it now think i’ll stay with that for now to Mercury work out all the bugs on the new motors
I like it. I think the most relevant 3 would be suzuki, Yamaha, and merc. Love to hear that. Good shit, brother
Thanks David! We agree
Why is tohatsu being left out, they build more than zuk or honda right under yammy.
Just some info for everyone. Sometimes those "Japanese" engines aren't made in Japan. Worked on a little Honda 2.3Hp the other day and it was made in China. I've seen plenty of smaller Suzukis made in Thailand. Some small Yamahas have made in France on the tag. Finally, the other Japanese manufacturer Tohatsu is becoming popular here in South Florida- especially the smaller engines- Which by the way are virtually identical to the small Mercs they build.
You are correct here but we feel like they're made to a higher standard.
Tohatsu is Honda
Only the 150hp and up.
thank you for your honest rating im a current 250 Johnson ocean pro old motor never gave me a drop of problems but the time has come to upgrade new motors getting 3xs the fuel economy of my old 2 stroke with better performance but going offshore i am starting to get a little nervous 20 yrs 0 problems but i think its getting time to give the old girl a break there will be some one out there who will be glad to get a cheap reliable motor for boating around the bays but going off shore its time thanks again for your assessment look forward to looking at some of your other videos'
Modern boats that rival champion. Specially rough water ride and handling abilities. Spend some time on hull design and pad design differences.
Charger 210 and 198 are a rebadged Champion basically. It is an exact copy of the Champion hull and top cap. Even some of the champion employees now work for charger. Also bass cat builds a boat called the puma hybrid that has a copy of the champion hole with the puma top cap
You should do the same thing but price
We've had that comment before but pricing is all dependent on what dealer you go too. We are a Suzuki dealer and we get 250SS's for super cheap and sell them for a price that's competitive with our market. Suzuki pricing would win in every video if we were the dealer because we could sell them for whatever price we wanted too
@@TeamMarineService the pricing where I am at seems to agree with your ranking of Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda. e.g 100hp Yamaha is 1k more than Suzuki, and 3k more than Honda.
Hey which would you choose Honda elite 250 or Yamaha Riva 80 ? Let me know
Honda Motocompo or nothing! 🤙🏻
@@TeamMarineService NO! Honda Gyro man!
Replaced my 20 yr old Honda 90, that still ran well with a new Suzuki 140 .. I went with it due to price and availability
Wish you would have added Mercury in this mix. Not mentioning them makes the comparison missing a link and doesn't complete this battle.
This Brand Battle was just the Japanese brands! In our opinion reliability wise Mercury is in last place. Performance wise they are probably on top with Yamaha nipping at their heals
Not including mercury was not a mistake, they are in a different league and it's not the majors.
@@paulcoenen7918 there is only 1 choice for simple and reliable that is the Honda/Tohatsu. Not going to win a speed boat race, but you will get great fuel economy and a quit reliable motor. There is a reason dealers don’t talk about Honda’s much, they never see them again after the sale.