If you have a Gold Monster 1000, a veteran prospector showed me something he learned on his own that even Minelab did not know and I got my first tiny nugget. These units have auto ground balance. He first sets the coil on the ground. Turn machine on. Dial lower left arrow counter clockwise until it pegs. Then lift unit up horizontal and dial top left arrow counterclockwise until it pegs and then swing left to right 45 degrees. Now you will have a perfectly balanced unit. You can now turn machine off and on without having to repeat this as long as you stay on location. This guy makes a living off his in Weaverville California and he has found pounds of gold including a Double Eagle gold coin in perfect condition. Worth 30 -40 K. He is so good he can almost always predict gold from trash and I would work behind him. He would first take a 10 foot square clean. He was getting nuggets every 5 minutes of pieces the size of matchheads up to size of pencil erasers. Every so often he would say here you go Steve , that’s gold and he would move on. We were working a power line right of way in Junction City that crossed a hydraulic pit from the historic Chapman Mine. The owner John Chapman gave us permission. I got 1/4 ounce in half day . Bedrock was only several inches deep. He prefers his small coil there and he has had to replace the protective cover several times as he rubs the ground always. He had a GPX but he got tired of digging three foot holes. When he gets a target, he kicks the spot first, then starts swinging. He wears a carpenter’s belt with his tools and knee pads. Happy hunting!
Interesting video Andrew! Considering that you cannot replicate 150 plus years of soil compaction may throw your test a curve ball.. Recently I was pulling Sharps Carbine bullets out at 18 inches with my GPX 4800, so ground compaction may have played a roll.
@BulletsandButtons I've no doubt digging a hole and buring targets is not the same as finding a bullet that's been in the ground 150 years. I've dug bullets myself nearly 18" deep.
Thanks for these comparison videos, but why not show us the VLF detectors with the settings you just used, but in gold mode? The VLFs basically won your last competition, in gold mode, with smaller coils and slowed down recovery speed/reactivity. I mean, you played around with the pulse induction machines, on camera, to optimize them. Also, the Deus 2 was clearly hitting the 14” round ball, so I have no idea why you said you wouldn’t stop for that. It sounded much better than the PI machines. So that would be Deus 2 - gold field, audio Response 6, disc. 6.8, max frequency use stock, sensitivity 97, reactivity 1, iron volume 7, 11 inch coil. Manticore - gold mode, sensitivity 22, recovery 4, other settings stock, 11 inch coil. Rerun those same items and depths. Even when apparently handicapped, the VLFs are keeping pace with the PI machines, and the VLFs allow you to cover far more ground due to the significant difference in swing speed.
Thanks for your comments. The video was more about relic hunting that gold hunting. I personally don't relic hunt in gold mode and don't know many people that do. Deus 2 on the 14" minie ball was only making a sound, no ID. I've dug those kind of signals multiple times only to find nothing, ends being ground minerals or a hot rock. That's why I wouldn't stop for it. But in the case of the large .58 cal minie balls, the VLF's were keeping up with the GPX. For the small pewter buttons the PI's were much better. Usually, I'll cover a site with the VLF's and pull out most of the larger coins, buttons and bullets. Then go back over the site with either the GPX or Axiom to clean up what's left. Most of the time I find really deep bullets at 12" plus and smaller cuff buttons, pewter buttons, pistol bullets and small silver coins that were too deep for the VLF's.
I will say ... an interesting test,,,.. but the results of the detectors in the test are also interesting.. Andrew, if you expected the results before the test, how do you see these detectors now after this test?.., the mineralization of the terrain is not great,,.but the results are still surprising...
I expected the GPX to do better. I made a bunch of adjustments to the target volume, gain, stabilizer, signal peak, etc and couldn't get it to do much better. I did a similar test a while back on large targets and got about the same results. Axiom appears to be the deeper machine in both mild and medium mineralization. Could be different in high mineralized areas.
Great video Andrew. I came to the same conclusion as you. My Axiom was equal to or simply outperformed my GPX 4000 in medium and high iron mineralization using the same type and size coils and similar settings. I also am able to get my Manticore to noticeably outperform Deus 2 in similar situations with the same sized coils and similar settings
A very good demonstration. Very helpful for the relic hunter who has a wide range of soils to work with. Thanks Andrew.
If you have a Gold Monster 1000, a veteran prospector showed me something he learned on his own that even Minelab did not know and I got my first tiny nugget. These units have auto ground balance. He first sets the coil on the ground. Turn machine on. Dial lower left arrow counter clockwise until it pegs. Then lift unit up horizontal and dial top left arrow counterclockwise until it pegs and then swing left to right 45 degrees. Now you will have a perfectly balanced unit. You can now turn machine off and on without having to repeat this as long as you stay on location. This guy makes a living off his in Weaverville California and he has found pounds of gold including a Double Eagle gold coin in perfect condition. Worth 30 -40 K. He is so good he can almost always predict gold from trash and I would work behind him. He would first take a 10 foot square clean. He was getting nuggets every 5 minutes of pieces the size of matchheads up to size of pencil erasers. Every so often he would say here you go Steve , that’s gold and he would move on. We were working a power line right of way in Junction City that crossed a hydraulic pit from the historic Chapman Mine. The owner John Chapman gave us permission. I got 1/4 ounce in half day . Bedrock was only several inches deep. He prefers his small coil there and he has had to replace the protective cover several times as he rubs the ground always. He had a GPX but he got tired of digging three foot holes. When he gets a target, he kicks the spot first, then starts swinging. He wears a carpenter’s belt with his tools and knee pads. Happy hunting!
good test mate
Thank you for taking to demonstrate this comparison. I was surprised to see that the 4500 struggled on the deep targets. Have a good day.
@@VCHAuMiner I must admit i was surprised myself the 4500 struggled on those deeper targets.
Great video on the testing
@@oldpelon Thanks
Interesting video Andrew! Considering that you cannot replicate 150 plus years of soil compaction may throw your test a curve ball..
Recently I was pulling Sharps Carbine bullets out at 18 inches with my GPX 4800, so ground compaction may have played a roll.
@BulletsandButtons I've no doubt digging a hole and buring targets is not the same as finding a bullet that's been in the ground 150 years. I've dug bullets myself nearly 18" deep.
Dog gone it. I meant turn the top left CLOCKWISE until it pegs. Sorry.
He would first RAKE a 10 fooot square..
Did you have target volume turned up on gpx? I nearly max it really
Makes a difference for deep targets
@@bamadave6324 target volume i run most of the time at 12
I agree with you Dave.
Thanks for these comparison videos, but why not show us the VLF detectors with the settings you just used, but in gold mode? The VLFs basically won your last competition, in gold mode, with smaller coils and slowed down recovery speed/reactivity. I mean, you played around with the pulse induction machines, on camera, to optimize them. Also, the Deus 2 was clearly hitting the 14” round ball, so I have no idea why you said you wouldn’t stop for that. It sounded much better than the PI machines.
So that would be Deus 2 - gold field, audio Response 6, disc. 6.8, max frequency use stock, sensitivity 97, reactivity 1, iron volume 7, 11 inch coil.
Manticore - gold mode, sensitivity 22, recovery 4, other settings stock, 11 inch coil.
Rerun those same items and depths. Even when apparently handicapped, the VLFs are keeping pace with the PI machines, and the VLFs allow you to cover far more ground due to the significant difference in swing speed.
Thanks for your comments. The video was more about relic hunting that gold hunting. I personally don't relic hunt in gold mode and don't know many people that do. Deus 2 on the 14" minie ball was only making a sound, no ID. I've dug those kind of signals multiple times only to find nothing, ends being ground minerals or a hot rock. That's why I wouldn't stop for it.
But in the case of the large .58 cal minie balls, the VLF's were keeping up with the GPX. For the small pewter buttons the PI's were much better.
Usually, I'll cover a site with the VLF's and pull out most of the larger coins, buttons and bullets. Then go back over the site with either the GPX or Axiom to clean up what's left. Most of the time I find really deep bullets at 12" plus and smaller cuff buttons, pewter buttons, pistol bullets and small silver coins that were too deep for the VLF's.
I will say ... an interesting test,,,.. but the results of the detectors in the test are also interesting..
Andrew, if you expected the results before the test, how do you see these detectors now after this test?.., the mineralization of the terrain is not great,,.but the results are still surprising...
I expected the GPX to do better. I made a bunch of adjustments to the target volume, gain, stabilizer, signal peak, etc and couldn't get it to do much better. I did a similar test a while back on large targets and got about the same results. Axiom appears to be the deeper machine in both mild and medium mineralization. Could be different in high mineralized areas.
Great video Andrew. I came to the same conclusion as you. My Axiom was equal to or simply outperformed my GPX 4000 in medium and high iron mineralization using the same type and size coils and similar settings. I also am able to get my Manticore to noticeably outperform Deus 2 in similar situations with the same sized coils and similar settings