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In this video I react to more German satire from Die Anstalt as they discuss the The Information War For Ukraine
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what i really love about Germany is the fact that satire and criticism against the government, politics, police etc. is aired on state tv.
the german public TV channels are funnily enough paid through an extra fee paid by every german citizen. much like the BBC in UK.
the state of course tries to influence it. sadly, in austria, the ORF, although with a similar construction, is much more politically influenced. lead to the cancellation of some TV-shows that were not well liked by politicians.
and heute show, die anstalt and magazin royal have earned the right of critizising other countries, they massively critizise their own country too.
ARD, ZDF and the other media channels of the Öffentlich-Rechtlicher-Rundfunk are not part of the state. It was founded to inform every citizen of the country without the influence of the government. Unfortunetely most higher positions in the ÖRR nowadays are staffed with relatives of many politicians and many of them are suspected of corruption. The system is a good idea, but the greed of humans is just too big. :(
It’s no state TV, it’s Public broadcasting! That’s a big difference. State TV wouldn’t allowed things like this because the government would be in charge. The Second German Television (ZDF) is like the BBC. The public media is independent from the German State. The so called ‘broadcasting state contract’ guarantees their independence. It is financed by a fee every household in Germany has to pay. The broadcast companies are collecting it by themselves so it’s not a tax!
It's the same in Russia, but only when watching from the outside.
@@GoleoGohlix funny to say such a thing when most of the higher ups of these "independent public media outlets" are riddled with state and party officials
Yes, Die Anstalt already caused some trouble to a lot of people, but thats no problem. They are part of Public Broadcasting, so they do not rely on advertisement for finances. And as long as they do not lie and present in a satirical way, they are also protected by laws of "Kunstfreiheit" (Freedom of Arts), which is really a thing here in Germany as it is the opposite of the way the Third Reich did it with "Entartete Kunst". As long as it is "Art" in some way, you can do almost everything here in Germany. For each show Die Anstalt publishes a list of sources they relied on for the show. Absolutly impossible to sue them for anything with success - that is true freedom of speech.
Great show
As foreigners might not know, public broadcasting in germany is publicly funded, but the program is independent ( within some guidelines, e.g. shouldn't push a view of a political party but rather show all of the sides of a subject, restrictions in advertising, only marked as ads, and so on... There are always discussions if they really are independent and other media criticise them several times per year when something seems dodgy.
Freedom of opinion. It means you can say whatever you like as long as it is true or an opinion. Freedom of speech is less restricted, in that what you are allowed to say doesn't have to be true.
@@chriseffpunkt4333 Keine Ahnung, ehrlich gesagt. Richter fragen?
What I love the most about this is that Christoph von Wagner and Max Uthoff got asked where they found all their information since they seem to be better informed than real journalists. And it turned out that most of their information came from real journalists or were at least found through real journalists...
Bild is the most sold newspaper here in Germany and was it for a longer period of time even in Europe as well. They tend to phrase everything in a lurid way and sometimes they simply report from unverified sources. Yes, the title was really printed that way.
In addition, Bild has already received 15 reprimands from the German Press Council this year with its online section (out of 43 reprimands in total). So you can imagine how they create their stories sometimes.
I.e. it's tabloid press.
@@srccde yes it'S not a newspaper even per definition. And could compared to the Sun in the UK I believe.
And the Most stupid one
People who read BILD are idiots and bad people. They should be trareted as bad as the law allows it.
its basically fox news as a news paper
Sadly, there are a lot less people watching the show than you'd expect. For people actually watching the show, most of them are well informed ahead already. So the impact isnt quite as big as one would wish for.
The problem is, that this Show tends to have a blind side if it goes for russian Crimes. It´s Anti-Nato and Anti-American.
@@Eurician You know that this video is from 2014? After the Russian invasion there was an episode aired of Die Anstalt on Apr. 5th 2022 in which they confronted themselves and their reporting. Russia's war of aggression was also named as such and strictly condemned.
If Die Anstalt comes across as anti-American, i think that's because the general reporting was very pro-American or stereotypically: American good, Russian bad. Die Anstalt sees itself as having the task of educating and that means, for example, pointing out that the USA also commits war crimes. In my eyes, that's not anti-American, it's just educational and revealing.
You have to be more or less well informed to understand what they are talking about and why what they're saying is funny.
So true
@@hinekde I know the Circumstances of this show, but it was AFTER the occupation of Crimea, and they did at least two followupshows against Nato afterwards.
Now, eight Years later they are like "who could have known/maybe not everything we said was proper".
In an earlier episode, The Anstalt was about connections between German journalists and transatlantic thinktanks. Two publishers of the weekly newspaper "Die Zeit" sued The Anstalt. After three rounds at the court, they lost. 😉
Die verboten Folge:
ruclips.net/video/mO9cnc97leI/видео.htmlsi=su_XyfsVffEfAihb
I just want to point out that this video of "Die Anstalt" was released in 2014 so years before the full scale invasion launched by russia.
There is a 45 minute long video from them where they fully condemn the disgusting russian war against ukraine in a nice split between serious talk and satire. Sadly there is no english translation available but I want to make all of you aware. They are completely disgusted by the russian war against ukraine.
This comment should be pinned
Thats true, I just want to confirm this.
Without subtitles, but least here is a link to that episode. The title is translated to "Is Die Anstalt to blame for the war in Ukraine?": ruclips.net/video/m2c_zX4FPI8/видео.html
In this episode, they make it clear how disappointed and indignant they are. Their defense of the Russian side, or that of Putin, was not aimed at legitimizing him or the war, but at finding the madness and responsibility of everyone in it. Satirical, yes, but not blind in one eye.
I still remember how I felt as well. And to this day people are dying on both sides with no prospect of a peaceful end. And even if the war ends, the hate is already the winner and remains.
@@Kokuswolf I was speaking about the "Sonderfolge zum Ukraine Konflikt" :)
But yes they actually did multiple episodes about the russian invasion.
The thing about the performances of The Anstalt is that they do not reach a big enough audience. Their political satire is genius and nuanced and so often they make the point that much of the opinions in the public space are either for or against something, while in reality most situations are too complex for catchy sound bites or headlines.
So they do confront big papers like Bild and Spiegel a lot, but their sensible and accurate critique is often too late, since prominent papers here are already hooked on the next scandal or event
This was anything but nuanced. And most of the "critique" has been proven wrong by time and Putin.
wat @@OscarForero
@@OscarForero you would have to be more specific to engage in an actual conversation. They actually have a very interesting set regarding the Russian initiated war in Ukraine.
Their main point in this performance though is that sensationalist journalism jumped to conclusions and reported those conclusions and a narrative and politicians gladly repeated those, while it was extremely difficult to report on what actually was happening
@@spittylama , sure let's be specific, Russia shot down the plane, Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine has a Jewish president and no right-wing party in the parliament. which conclusions they are supposedly criticizing were wrong?
@@OscarForero to be clear, their critique is regarding the German newspaper reporting back in 2014-2015 or as we now know in the beginning of the escalation of the conflict. On a side note they do have a more recent show about the ongoing war. Feel free to check it out.
Back then for example when it was not clear who shot the plane. I was too early to conclusively state who did it, as indicated by the Dutch team investigating the incident, which they allude to.
So what is their critique about? It’s not about if it happened or who did it, but about the fact that a big part of the press ran with the narrative anyway. So it’s way more a jab to the German press than anything else. By saying well the German press was right in the end though IMO you’d open up a can of worms that enables the press to report whatever they want anyway instead of at least wait for the evidence or the investigation to finish.
Saw it when it came out. Glad to see it finally catches on outside of the German-speaking sphere. Just one clarification: it's not 'Time'(-magazine, English speaking) that launched the injunction, but one of Germany's most respected newspapers (sic), called 'Die Zeit', which translates into 'The Time'.
Hope you watched the other more recent videos from "Die Anstalt" like the video "Sonderfolge zum Ukraine-Konflikt | Die Anstalt" where they fully condemn the disgusting war launched by russia against ukraine.
Quick guys, he dug up the realy controversial one.
Edit: And yes, they got into trouble with German several times, especially for this episode. In a sketch before this one, they had visualized the ties of the chief-editor of "Zeit", one of the large German newspapers to the military-industrial-complex. While beeing correct on their huge Conspiracy board one link was misplaced by accident and said editor sued them for spreading "misinformation" which was hilarious because the only line of argument, he could legally use was: "They said, I'm in bed with five non-government lobby-groups, but in reality I'm only in bed with four." They won that case, as they won all of the others afaik. On their homepage, they post large PDFs with all of their sources, to be safe, that they are not misrepresenting anything.
And also maybe important to mention: While they are pretty hard on Nato and the West, they are far from pro-Russia. They aimed for Putin too several times, epsecially during the current invasion.
Edit 2: Oh and the "controversial road toll" turned out to be the biggest infrastructure desaster in the last decade. It was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court (because it fucking was and everybody could see it from the beginning" but the ministry had already cloed deals with several companies to enforce it, which they had to terminate and pay findings woth of 243 Million Euros. There is currently an investigation going on and the government is looking for a way to sue Adreas Scheuer, the minister who initiated it. Oh yeah and the best thing: His fuckup made the guy so well known, that he is now a reoccuring character in "die Anstalt" and a public favourite. In a lot of episodes, he has a discussion with Sir Isaac Newton, where Newton is the theoretically most rational person to exist and Scheuer the most irrational person.
Haha 😆 I didn't see this, have to get into, brilliant
It should be noted that the creators of Die Anstalt from this scene have since completely sided with Ukraine and condemned both the war and the Russian propaganda associated with it. This video is as you mentioned much older, from 2014.
yes, exactly. A lot has happened since then and people shouldnt argue over current events on the basis of this video
Vermutlich konnten sie mit irgendetwas erpresst werden.
@@raimundkeller6115 Even now propaganda is used on both sides. How often do you now read or hear anything sceptical or doubtful about the ukrainian side, Nato or our military buildup on public TV or the newspapers? The few who do so, get pilloried. As if everything that has been said before 2022 has been swept under the carpet, but it's part of the current situation and future problems. Our propaganda style is just more subtle and based on not mentioning or sugarcoating the other side of the coin. Those rabbit holes are always much deeper than you can imagine - history shows that is has always been that way, stupid to think it will be any different now.
Just to be clear: I do not relativise the russian offensive war, it's horrible. But things are not just good or evil.
This Episode is in my pov one of their best and also one of their most misunderstood. A Lot of people until this day read it as "Ukraine bad, Russia good", which it doesn't say. Die Anstalt was always anti-imperialist, anti-war and anti-propaganda, no matter the side. So of cause, they are with Ukraine now, while still beeing critical on Western geopolitics.
This was actually the episode of „Die Anstalt“ which politicized me…
i remember back in school we had to read the same story from many different newspapers and write down how they differ and what the goal of each newspaper seems to be in regards to messaging. wasnt so much about propaganda though but more about how populism works, propaganda was just on the way :P. point is we have a school subject called "political education" that deals with that kind of stuff and seems to be very much missing from the curriculum in alot of countries.
our geography teacher also did this. he didn't give us any homework except for following the Crimea situation for like a month or so. He's probably one of the biggest reasons I am so careful with news sources today. media literacy is such an important skill for children to learn and I'm glad I got the chance to.
Where did you go to school? Germany?
@@flori5548 better germany, aka austria :P
@@flori5548 We also did this in Germany. Also reading "Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum" was part of the curiculum.
I'm so waiting for you to discover Georg Schramm in his role as Oberstleutnant Sanftleben.
I dont know if it is common for our german media but the nice/important thing about "Die Anstalt" for me is also, that you can check the references of the important things of an episode at the zdf mediathek, since 2018. So if you want to understand more or even don´t trust the informations/interpretation of the episode you can look up things and read/watch listen to it yourself.
I don't think that it ist actually common for the media, maybe for very neutral consumer TV shows and the occasional talk show like Hart aber fair, which are known for their fact-checking (although not really a good fact-checking, but that is my opinion), but usually I don't think there are sources enlisted for political or news TV shows.
Amazing! Pure genius! Thank you for discovering this gem to us 👍
When he says „this is a decicive Blow“ he‘s actually quoting a famed German myth about the WWI when the narrative was, that the German army was undefeated in the field, but daggered in the back by the politicians who accepted the immensly unfair Versailles treaty
Maybe that is why the subaltern figure on the viewer's right is wearing a cap that was commonly worn by soldiers in WWI.
please keep in mind that "bild" is the german verison of "the sun" ...soo media might be a stretch. :P
At this early time "Die Anstalt" lacked a lot of Russia critisism and mostly fokused on the west.
It has to be said, they never lied or twisted the reality or made some blind pro Russia propaganda, they just never went deep into the wrong doings of Russia, like they did with the USA.
Later after the full scale invasion Die Anstalt made another episode trying to clarify their position in a balanced way and talked about many crimes commited by Russia over time.
Yeah, many Germans made the same mistake. Even though I would love to discuss the possibility that existed to avoid this war, if the west followed Germans ideas with Russia. Maybe Putin could be an ally these days, if we didn't close the window of cooperation in 90s/early2000s.
Everybody said Germans were wrong, even though the German idea never found any support by most of the west and therefore wasn't tested.
Also German satire focuses to challenge the narrative that gets pushed throughout all mainstream media by our own elites and current political decision making.
For decades I found German satire did more journalistic value work, than actual German journalism.
When Uthoff and Wagner took over Die Anstalt, it started leaning heavily to the political left. I always preferred their more centrist predecessors Priol and Schramm.
@@pfefferle74stimmt. Gut, Priol steht selbst der Linken sehr nahe, aber mit der Übernahme von Uthoff und Wagner ist das echt schon in die extreme Linke gekippt, wo in Fragen der Außenpolitik, man muss es klar sagen, sie massiv Fake News verbreitet haben, bzw. produziert haben, indem sie Ereignisse aus ihren jeweiligen Kontexten herausgerissen haben.
@@pfefferle74 Schramm not being left? So of his characters might not be, but he surely is
Yeah, but it makes sense, if the truth is AB, but everyone only talks about A, it is not wrong to talk about B without mentioning A, because enough people talk about A anyway.
awesome that you discovered Die Anstalt now, that was the logical next step as it was for me ten years ago :) whatever people say, i love our public broadcasting and i am very proud of it.
As a German, the guy giving expert advice, wearing a leather jacket, drinking tea from a very refined tea set, has some serious Gestapo vibes.
I was instant thinking the same, the guy all the time talking some middle to high Wehrmacht officer, the guy in the leather jacket feels like SS officer and the little poor private in the front.
And the one in the leather jacket kinda looks like merz (probably just a coincidence but still)
Gestapo or STASI - the textiles were embarrassingly similar.
That's because he's a great actor.
Was für eine unglaubliche augenöffnende Observation die du uns hier schilderst. Bravo! Bravissimo! Was kommt als nächstes, Sokrates?
Living in Germany I often watch "die Anstalt" because they treat current complicated political and financial issues in a ironical and satirical way. Although this episode is 9 years old the basic problems reporting on war have not changed.
I find it very good as I find most episodes of die Anstalt very good. They pinpoint the problems, spell them out, and mostly in a funny or hilarious way. Even when my own political views are under attack or criticised 😮 they do it with dignity and style. Then it is for me not so funny but mostly I can laugh with the audience and say: "Yeah, they are dead right" 😂
Hey ich finde das echt toll, dass du dich relativ häufig mit deutscher Satire wie z.B. "Die Anstalt" oder der "heute Show" auseinander setzt. Es fällt natürlich auf, dass du diese Formate sehr positiv beurteilst. Man könnte dir also eine gewisse Einseitigkeit unterstellen, da es natürlich auch in Deutschland nicht nur gute Satire gibt. Aber deine Analysen sind gut und dein schottischer Akzent ist grandios. Vielen Dank dafür und weiter so!
The two heads of "Die Anstalt", Max Uthoff and Klaus von Wagner were really on point in most of their shows. I love watching this kind of satirical information since years, it's even more funny if you get all the little gags and wordplay relating to other subjects 😉
It's like reading a book of Terry Pratchett (R.I.P😢) in english compared to the translated version (even though are quite good)
Like using the word, Dolchstoß… 👏
You really deserve more attention. Love from Germany
Well, truth be told and with all my love for "die Anstalt", but that clip is easily the leader in their "aged poorly" category.
To give them credit, they owned up to that, but yeah, ironically this whole bit displayed exactly the type of prejudice they wanted to attack the press for (which turned out to have a *lot* more evidence and factual basis than die Anstalt showed, also including the plane incident)
Overall, die Anstalt had to admit that they were trying to see both sides so hard that they came across as highly partisan. And they did, they admitted and self reflected on several excellent, nuanced yet also hilarious episodes. For which I respect them a lot.
Auf transatlantischer Propagandalinie zu sein ist also OK? Der Flugschreiber des abgeschossenen Fliegers liegt heute noch im Safe des britschen Geheimdienst. Warum wohl ?
Dass es in der Ukraine keine Faschisten gibt, die russische Minderheiten angegriffen und unterdrückt haben glauben nur Idioten. Sorry
Vielen Dank für die sehr interessante Berichterstattung. Danke!
8:55 Yes they used a lot of real titles and statements of big german newspapers of that time, which is why they said in the beginning that "any similaritiers to the current news are inevitable". That was the whole point they were trying to show.
Also yes Die Anstalt caused much trouble and there is a "banned" episode, which you cant find in the vod section anymore. It was about how much influence the media has on politics. Like they actually wrote some laws and speech about the laws for politicans to then praise the speech in their own newspaper. Understandable they didnt wanted that to show up and as powerful as they are, they got it banned. And this is actually the joke they making at 13:53. "die Zeit" / the time was one of the media companies that forced prohibitions etc. (edit: should have watched till the end first xD)
Yeah this video definitely didn't age well. They made new videos where they talk about how they were wrong, however I haven't seen a subtitled version yet
Aber sie lagen trotzdem mit allem richtig was in dem Video vorkommt. Evtl. ja ein Grund warum Putin in die Ukraine einmarschiert ist. Auch wenn das natürlich aufs schärfste zu verurteilen ist. Wie jeder Überfall auf ein anderes Land. Aber diese Vorgeschichte erklärt trotzdem so vieles und kann nicht ausgeblendet werden... auch wenn das leider viele machen.
Rly dude, i like your reflected point of view and youre "Doing" in your Videos. Keep going!!
I think I watched that episode where they question Die Zeit and some other newspapers. That was a veeeery good sketch too!!!
There ist even a somewhat powerful gag going on here with the middle bloke with his leather jacket has GeStaPo as well as Kommissar vibes, the ranker as well as the General have WW1 uniforms.
I'm pretty sure this is intentional.
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
Your comments and observations are really enlightening. Thanks for that!
They see it different these days, and dud a very good show about it. I hope it gets english subs soon 👍🏻
Still, this episode here shows how parts of the media work...worldwide.
(Yes, I said 'parts')
They have to see it different. Look what they do with Krone-Schmalz.
@@arnolsi Nope they simply are disgusted by russia now for good reasons. They were right to do the video to show how propaganda and media works in 2014 but they also are right now to condemn the disgusting russian war.
I'd say: 'most of' media
People say Germans have no humour. Well, they do have satire and sarcasm, in good measure.
have a look at the older episodes with "Urban Priol" and "Georg Schramm" :-)
12:33 Let´s say we have better tools to recognise propaganda.
But we have also way better tools to amplify propaganda.
It also helps a lot that many people speak a second or third language but in the end you need to make the decision what tools do you WANT to use.
"Die Anstalt" show aired at 05.04.2022 is a very good show (sorry - no english subs). the show is very critical about itself. the normal tendency is - as you see in the 2 videos you have seen - USA/NATO/german politics/media is despicable and russia is not so evil.
but in this show they scrutinise this view... great show
I just wanted to say, that this clips here didn't age too well after the russian full blown invasion...
Yeah, it was a sell out to NATO fascism, because else they would have been canceled forever and their careers ruined. Distusting sell out that brutally damage the reputation of the Anstalt.
@@heiko4297 Yeah, Nazis are now the good guys, the only thing that changed. Hell, you people are disgusting. Like the germans under Hitler.
@@heiko4297actually it did, since it was about propaganda and that is always a good thing to realize.
@viomouse talking about propaganda...
"Die Anstalt" after the war started:
ruclips.net/video/prlykYWp8kw/видео.html
ZDF knows who's wrong in this full scale war!
"Bild" approx. the level of The Sun or the Daily Fail sorry Mail.....
And satire is protected as we do have freedom of speech and press...sort of !
Die Anstalt ist tatsächlich das flagship deutscher Satire. Sie decken sehr viele Sachen auf und machen sich damit nicht gerade viele Freunde. Aber immerhin noch genug, damit die Sendung weiter geht. Ach, es ist schön in einem freien Land zu leben, noch...
Ja solche Sendungen sollte es überall geben/Yes those kind of showes should be watched everywhere for everyone
I Love your slang !
It remember me always on (or to?) the Time i spent on isle of Sky.
And therfore i look more likely your interpretation than the Original one.
Best regards from Bavaria. ❤
XD this is a very old episode from the anstalt, they did this episode while the krim war. Since Putin invade the main land of ukraine die Anstalt made a new episode, that apologieced about this one and made clear that they see ukraine in the defence and russia as an aggressior.
They also had an episode later on where they talked about their own mistakes when the ukraine war got real. So they are even critical of themselfs.
The nice thing, satire is protected by law :D. There were a couple of law suits in the past, but more or less they went nowhere. But one has to say, journalistic quality is rare in Germany. Now only the story counts and how many people you get to buy it. And you see what happens, if another media outlet is trying to shoot down the show, they are ridculed. "Die Anstalt" is probably the best satire shows on german TV. It exists already since eons. Generally there is not much they won't touch.
In germany, honesty has by far more value than being polite.
Thats why germans are seen as "direkt" and "rude" compared to the US for example.
Die Anstalt really is topshelf satire. Haven't seen anything comparable yet.
Sadly more people in Germany read the "Bild" than watch satire like this. To quote Volker Pispers: "The Bild-Zeitung..... this piece of crap that's so disgusting you insult a dead fish if you wrap it in it!"
The CSU road toll for foreigners clashed with EU laws and will now likely cost the country hundreds of millions in damages to be paid to the companies that got contracts to implement it. It was clear from the start that that would be the result.
We still talk about if we have to pay for the road toll that never existed... thanks Andy Scheuer.
I woke up this morning. I wrote to you and now i watch a New Episode
9:15 Yes, the "Zeit" sued them for a clip in which they showed how German journalists are connected to lobby groups. The last bit of this video referred to that. Thats another great one to watch if its available in English.
After watching this one, the next to watch is "Die Anstalt vom 5. April 2022" where they question their own role in underestimating the changes in Russia. Here on youtube as "Ist die Anstalt Schuld am Krieg in der Ukraine".
Love your reactions! You’re right, these satire programs are great! But there’s a LOT of people who are blatantly ignorant about them. There’s a huge part of germany who should watch more of them
This format is brilliant is very brave and doing a good job in opening eyes in Public
One of the best episodes in my opinion, including the original shows from "Neues aus der Anstalt".
I wish, more people in Germany would watch those shows. But unfortunately people all around the globe are quite similar and they rather want their peace of mind than uncomfortable information. That is one reason why populistic movements like the AfD in Germany or the Rassemblement National in France are so popular.
keep going! really enjoying your reaction to heute show and die Anstalt
The Anstalt had an episode about Julian Assange and Wikileaks that was done like the series Sherlock. I liked it very much, unfortunately there are no subtitles for it on RUclips.
Interesting to see how it aged. For example the air plane was shot down by Russia that they mentioned in the beginning
I really like Die Anstalt, Volker Pispers, Scheibenwischer and similar shows. And I appreciate that you show them to a larger audience. But I'm afraid that far fewer people watch these shows than you might suspect. Politically informed people, critical thinkers, leftists and intellectuals are mostly followers of such shows - fortunately, German public broadcasting provides a niche for this shows. So don't overestimate us Germans. If you come to Germany look for these niches, otherwise you will only be disappointed. By the way, John Oliver, Jimmy Kimmel etc. do a pretty good job with their shows in the USA, too. Best regards from Munich
They made a special episode where they self reflected how wrong they were about Russia when the war broke out. They often defended Russia and bought into their propaganda of "NATO expansion being an aggressive move" and such so that episode was really important to make sense of it all.
The invasion really opened many eyes.
That is not true. Most people are only receptive to propaganda, whether in Germany or the USA it doesn't matter. All the old news of the last 20 years shows one thing.... USA provoked with "take it or leave it" for so long and accepted the war benevolently. Well, with the right propaganda, Europe is Russia's enemy again, which of course the USA would like.... The US military openly admit that...!!! The problem is the people who have a memory of 0 and as soon as it says there's a new Hitler..... what Hitler, oh man... let's fight.... lo Assad, lo Hussein, lo ..... ;-) Yes, the Americans are just as easy to manipulate as the Germans and everyone else too :-)
yes
That's still a debatable topic.
Russians invasion of the Ukraine is not justifyable, but given the context and history around it it's also not surprising.
@@7shinta7 It certainly wasn't transported through the news that a full scale invasion was imminent. Everyone thought Putin was bluffing. The Russians always bluff.
The European nations should have supported Ukraine back in 2014 when the Krim was contested.
Appeasement never works.
@@7shinta7fun math fact :
If you add "not justifyable" and "not surprising", the end result is still "not justifyable".
And fun history fact thrown in for good measure : the diagnosis of being both not very surprising yet still not justifyable at the same time is true for a healthy +90% of all wars in the history of mankind.
Spiegel, Bild and Fokus magazines (and probably a few others) are known to feature untrustworthy journalism. I'm not saying that everything they write is wrong or with evil intentions, I'm just saying think critically.
And I don't know if their recent journalistic works are worth the while, since I didn't want to read anything written by them for some time now.
And I don't know if these magazines care if the truth comes out or not because I'm pretty sure they write their articles in a way that they can get away with it.
the anstalt is top quality, most sophisticated we have id say.
Volker Pispers also nice
one interesting thing about the uniforms they wear, the man in the left wears an uniform of an Majorgeneral of the Wehrmacht / NVA /Reichswehr but they had an different color of the peaked cap that color and the style of the cap is that of an officer of the NKWD (Renamed after Stalins death to KGB) to be precise of an News Reporter. The man in the meddle Wears an lather jacked that woes relatively normal for officers of the GeStaPo( Secret Police of the third Reich) or also too day for Secret Service in General. the right one is wearing an uniform of an very low Ranking soldier of Wehrmacht/Reichswehr.
If you liked this, you may also like Extra-3, a satire TV production from ARD/NDR (northern germans 3. TV program :)
Thanks if I wouldn't watch your Reaction video I would have missed this "Die Anstalt" inner german information war play.
PS: I discovered that german media press has interesting contra reporting with considerable critic from switzerland (like Daniele Ganser a historian now acting as part of the Peace movement, he warned early also about Russia vs.- Ucraine.
I grew up with older satirics like Volker Pispers, who left the stage back in 2016!
In one of his last programs he described the problems with the german education and satire.
The middle class send their kids to public schools, where education is getting more downhill every year.
The upper class send their kids to high schools and universities.
The problem is that low and middle class don't understand the systematic behind the problems.
Meanwhile upper class knows the problems and laugh about it in satire programs and do nothing against it!
Pispers described this as a form of 'indulgence trading' in the form of a cabaret ticket!
Sorry to correct you, but people in Germany meanwhile are easier to manipulate than one could assume. Satire doesn't do anything to the most, even the ones who enjoy it. No reflection, no nothing. Satire loses an all levels against psychological warfare. What I have learned in my lifetime: Humans follow like sheeps.
Let me quote Assange:
What has been your biggest disappointment?
“Learning that even intelligent people can be cowards and that courage is a much rarer attribute than intelligence.” - JulianAssange
It's in public TV, however, private media companies forced the state TV to depublish all of its content after a while from their internet sites. That is, we are forced to pay for the content but then have no right to watch it indefinitely - unless we download and save it locally.
There is also a video from Volker Pispers regarding the german media.
Absolutely the most important point was 12:44
"but we are fighting for freedom of expression!!"
- *"Yes, but in Russia, not here!!!"*
Die Anstalt has dropped some bombs but ngl every german who actually believes what 'BILD' writes
....probably doesn't watch Die Anstalt xD
We have Die Anstalt, yes. But only every 3 months or so and in the past, they used to broadcast it most of the time when Bayern Munich played in Champions League miraculously
Yes, you don't see something like that on English and US TV, but you don't see anything like that in Germany either!!
Well the show was before the russian invasion of Ukraine.
Most (if not all?) of the comedians changed their view on that issue...
All of this is real, always. Also, Bild is the german version of "the Sun".
Ore the king of german satire Gerhard Polt
You should watch the two shows by Die Anstalt after the new start of the war in 2022. Two of the best Shows ever, especially as they critized also themselves as Part of the pro-russian and anti-American Side in Germany in the Last 30 years.
I enjoy your videos and your beautiful accent as well 😍
good video! back from when "die anstalt" was still a proper show xD
oh, now that i think of it. you may also find "Entweder Broder Die Deutschland-Safari" interesting .... a kind of satiric road trip of 2 .... characters ;-)
13:16 , the "Dolchstoß" ist a reference to right wing Post WW I propaganda saying that Germany was about to win the war when they were "stabbed in the back" by "communists"
I started doing fact-checking myself a few years ago, a large fraction of it was on the war in Ukraine. I took original battle footage and videos of engagements and aftermath. Also a lot of old news articles and original sources from 2010-2014.
Nearly everything reported by our media after Russia intervened after the hostilities and bombardment on the 'separatists' by the west ukrainian stakeholders was false or warped thruths. The Intervention was actually triggered when a power plant supplying east Ukraine was 'incapacitated by bombardment', cutting off communications, power supply and the like for the eastern resistance.
One such truth was a false flag cruise missile attack on a high rise building in southwest of Kyiv (videos show the missile arrived coming from the southwest, despite western claims of it having been fired by russian positions) - no casualties... less risk of whisteblowers among the ones conducting the false flag op.
Or when one looks at the videos from Zaporizhzhia NPP in march 2022, one can clearly see the 'defenders' took firing positions on roofs and directly in front of the nuclear reactor core buildings and were firing heavy anti weaponry at the Russians, which were merely in front of main gate outside the premises simply trying to secure the entrance.
Our western media reported it completely differently, depicting the Russians of risking a global nuclear catastrophe by 'attacking' the NPP itself.
These are just a few examples. The way it was depicted gave even me the feeling the russians were carpet-boming whole towns.
The western media is mainly held and controlled by a few rich families and stakeholders along with their network of contacts.
As a remark on the side: One does not need 'many' extremist proxis to 'cleanse' a political or ideological landscape. Hitler did it with just a fraction of what the original military had, just sending his 'state security' to eliminate the key figures and dissolve parliament.
9:27 What you have to realize (and I think that's the real masterpiece) is, that "Die Anstalt" as well as "Die Heute Show" are broadcasted from the ZDF, which is a state television channel. It is, in fact the same channel, which broadcasts the news (including the misleading reports which they are referring to in this satire programme).
They got sued for this show but they won the Prozess and said nothing wrong 😊
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The problem with newspapers and news channels and journals is: They print what the audience wants to read. Newspapers like the "Bild" and "Spiegel" are not trustworthy anymore since decades. The best procedure is: If you find a headline that is popping out: See what others are writing, read more about the topic and see if something looks odd. Most of the time this is where the truth comes out.
14:15 - Sadly, I can't find that scene with english subs (or the whole episode for that matter). Only one that uses the word "Banned", but it doesn't really show the scene why they tried to ban it..^^;
Well, I'll post it, if I can find it
9:50 I think that Andi Scheuer (CSU traffic minister) fucked up 243 million times.
That is the amount of money our maut disaster costs us.
Die Anstalt made an episode about another project he started that was supposed to be financed by his Maut.
I would like to know how much money was thrown out of the window for that.
Die Anstalt is the best German satire or generell show that we have to offer. Sadly there are not many episodes with English subtitles.
Die Anstalt was one of the best German political cabaret shows... In the last three years they has losts theire profile...
@@saschakoch9615 Well… no.
Yes, one of the episodes of the Anstalt was taken down from RUclips for half a year until the Anstalt won in court and could go online again.
@Mert Thanks for your video. I have to say I wasn't sure if I should watch that video or not as my information about Ukraine and Russia are FRIENDS who actually LIVE there. I stopped reading German media about Russia and Ukraine as it was full of bs which wrote completely different than what I was hearing from friends and what I heard and saw when I WAS in Ukraine (20+ times) and Russia (4 times). And what is happening now is something I saw coming at least in 2011 when I heard the words - "We dont want to be loved, we want to be feared" (Moscow 2011) and of course when I read the results of 2014 crimean election one day before the election. Or I heard of what happend in Odesa from a friend in Odesa (actually armed Russians with some pro Russians who attacked Ukrainians. Ukrainians fighting back, Russians running into that house, preparing and throwing molotov cocktails to throw at Ukrainians. Unfortunately for the Russians they set their own house on fire when preparing the molotov cocktails ...)
While on the one side "Die Anstalt" is right that good journalism is something else, they did not realize how much Russia manipulated the world since 2014 and them being absolutely naiv towards Russia only talking bad about what Germany wrote. Never ever was something shown what Russian state media said to their people each day. Why? They would have noticed that something is odd!
Comment sections of newspaper were flooded with comments made in St. Petersburg and had to be shut down.
A meeting of fascistic (German NPD) and far right European parties (French LePen, Dutch Crazy-Hair-Dude) held there too in 2014 or 2015. Wagner being the "private army" (that was actually paid by Kremlin (official)). Wagner made from russian people and with russian people with NS tattoos to hunt fasicsts in Ukraine...
While the fascist party in Russia (Shirinovsky) got 5% last election, Ukrainian far right parties together got 2% (so yes indeed there are some fascistic Ukrainians too, but much less than in Russia). In Germany the far right party Alternative für Deutschland (sponsored by Russia) gets 15+%. So do we need to get liberated because of fascists that are sponsored by Kremlin? If "Die Anstalt" says that it is bad that we are also supporting Ukrainian fascists they don't realize that Russia is sponsoring fascists in Europe and all over the world. If the fascist is pro Putin it is a good fascists. If he is against Putin, he is a bad fascists.
Also - Who do you think will be the first to start to defend your country, if you get attacked? Will it be the communists?
Ukraine had no army ready and was happy for anybody defending. The Azov group also changed during the years (I talked to a refugee here from Mariupol. Her husband was in Azov, no fascist, no tattoos, just defending his country against invaders).
Sorry Mert, there is so much going on in my head, so much to write and Im rewriting the text for 5th time. But I hope at least something was understandable.
All in all that episode was one of their best (yes there is propaganda here too) and their worst (not questioning Russian propaganda).
Brilliant! But I can confirm in Germany there are not more informed people. Some people watch this satire (the few who made it beyond Netflix and big brother type of entertainment) but then only a subset of them gets enabled to “keep” asking the “tough” questions beyond the topics covered in that hour of the “Anstalt”
About the prohibited Episode: there was a defamation lawsuite against "Die Anstalt". It was the episode of 29. April 2014, where they unveiled the connection of some high ranking journalists to some interestgroups, challenging their ability to report unbiased. In the first lawsuit in Hamburg was a ruling, where the ZDF was prohibited to air this episode again or make it available on their mediathek. The lawsuite went to the next higher court and there hey basically one. The interesting thing in this case was the argument of the two journalists, whom claimed that their ability to do their jobs unbiased got ruined by false claims of this satire. On the other side was freedom of speech and strong protection of that good for the two comedians. The BGH ruled, at the end, that it is allowed in satire to show reality and even if some connections have not been depickted correctly, the two journalists cannot argue, that they are connected to some think tank outlets and thereby the satire delivered the right message. It has not to be hold against the account to be 100% correct. That aside, the Team of the anstalat (basicaly most of german satire) is very throroughly researched.
January 23, 2007 "neues aus der anstalt" first one with old guys.. i watched every singl episode from than till now.
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Thank you for commenting on the Anstalt. These comedians and others are my source for political information. I am German.
Nicht gut, denn das was Die Anstalt damals gebracht hat, war pure russische Propaganda, für die sie sich heute schämen. ruclips.net/video/m2c_zX4FPI8/видео.html
The problem is that people in Germany prefer to watch trash TV like Jungle Camp, and such pearls as Die Anstalt unfortunately have far too few viewers.
About the injunction mentioned in the video:
Yes, it's true. The 'Zeit' took legal measures to prevent 'Die Anstalt' from airing some very harsh truths about some of their higher ups and their not so clean and not so impartial and not so objective involvement in certain ambiguous organizations, etc.
'Die Anstalt' and the 'ZDF' went to court over this and they won their case and they were allowed to air the episode in question and offer it through their website as catch-up TV. It's revealed in a later episode (around christmas, I think, as the winning statement was presented as a gift if my memory serves me right).
This show has taught me so much about politics, economics and all the corrupt and/or hateful things happening in the shadows of my own country and worldwide. They also did a show focussing on the Football World Championship 2014 in Brazil, revealing the corruption of the FIFA and their most prominent/powerful/questionable figures as well as the intolerable conditions the sponsors (Adidas, Nike, etc) have their employees work under while barely paying a livable wage.
It certainly broadened my horizon as I would have never even thought of worrying about certain topics.
'Die Anstalt' is the best that German TV offers. So eye-opening, so much on point...in every episode.
This exact episode was extremely bad. We know now who shot down the plane in Ukraine, and we also know the whole video how the separatist found the plane, but we don't know who caused the fire in odessa....
@@sollte1239 that's true though. But in general, Die Anstalt is superb 👌
Since corona, "Die Anstalt " is no longer as critical as it was then!
you said in your video people nowadays have better tools to fight propaganda (social media), but to be honest i think propaganda nowadays is an even bigger problem than before.. people seem to have a general distrust of mainstream media, but at the same time they pick social media personalities, whom they choose to believe, and then they believe them without questioning and again people start to consume information only from the same sources and often from the same political/ideological bubble promoted by social media algorithms based on what the person has watched before... and after "picking a side" all this stuff is not questioned anymore but blindly agreed to
so the propaganda bubbles people end up in nowadays are even stronger than back then, because social media actively feeds people the same stuff they have watched before...i think that's also the reason why, especially online, opinions and believes seem to get more extreme day by day.... it feels like moderate opinions disappear and get replaced by extremes...
maybe social media paints a wrong picture when it comes to this and we just don't hear moderate voices enough - they are probably not polarizing enough which most likely equals less views and less outrage and hence other outlets don't use them to spin their own narrative around moderate content.. but if that's the case then this is already dangerous in itself, because people might start to believe these extreme opinions are normalcy and get pulled into them more easily
I think a big part in the splitting of groups is a distrust of opinion. Groups are forming based around a specific feeling and then reinforced with supporting facts. Every fact not in tune with the underlying feeling is "fake" and everybody with an opinion slightly positive about learning/understanding/supporting an other group is stupid/wrong/extreme regardless of their general identity.