New Western Sydney New Metro Trains Revealed!

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  • Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
  • What do you think of the new 'Siemens Inspiro' trains?
    Let me know below!
    In today's video, we take a look at the recently announced metro trains set to run on the Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport line!
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    Chapters:
    0:00 Introduction
    0:38 What are the new trains?
    0:49 The trains should be longer
    1:27 A detailed look at the interior!
    2:22 A detailed look at the exterior!
    3:13 Comparing metro trains
    3:42 Quick explanation of the Western Sydney Airport metro line!
    4:16 New metro train debate - which train is better?
    5:19 Overall opinion on the new trains
    6:21 Wrapping up
    7:47 Outro
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Комментарии • 57

  • @RamonKeller-lc5qh
    @RamonKeller-lc5qh 28 дней назад +16

    It's acceptable that the new metro line will use 3-car trains as the Downtown Line on the Singapore MRT runs 3-car trains, yet had a ridership of 250,000. Also, since the new metro line runs through currently very underdeveloped areas, it isn't entirely necessary for longer trains. However, if there was a fourth luggage car (seen in Hong Kong) that would free up space on the train for seats which would be otherwise blocked by suitcases.

    • @ollie2074
      @ollie2074 2 часа назад

      I would say a luggage car on that line is a bit redundant as most people would be changing to the T1 (& possibly the Blue Mt Line) at St. Mary's for further travel.

  • @cerealport2726
    @cerealport2726 28 дней назад +7

    seems metro west will run on 25kV AC power, while the other metro network runs on 1.5kV DC. even if you wanted train interchangeability, power supply is going to be a problem.

    • @tacitdionysus3220
      @tacitdionysus3220 28 дней назад +5

      Metro west and WSI metro are both 25 kV ac. Thats the modern standard and used in places like Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. 1500 v dc is early 20th century stuff and more expensive. We should be upgrading to that standard whenever and wherever possible. Albeit that’s not simple in such an entangled system of lines like Sydney Trains.
      The initial metro is probably 1500 v dc because of its close proximity to other Sydney Trains. BTW India converted its old systems to 25 kV ac years ago. If you want long distance VFTs in the future the 25 kV ac system is very much the choice.
      Metros are designed best using separate unentangled lines with exchanges (cross platform where the geography allows it) where needed. I suspect you will see one at or around the SW Link and at or around Schofields in the future.

    • @cerealport2726
      @cerealport2726 28 дней назад +2

      @@tacitdionysus3220 Fair enough. I live in Paris, where the existing metro runs on 750V DC.
      4 new metro lines (15, 16, 17, 18) will be 1500V DC, with line 18 being powered via a 3rd rail, the others overhead.

    • @tacitdionysus3220
      @tacitdionysus3220 28 дней назад +3

      @@cerealport2726 Yep and your RER system, which looks much more like suburban Sydney Trains, has both 1500 v dc and 25 kv ac. Lots of people here think rigid standardisation is the only design criteria. Very old fashioned. The Paris systems rock!

  • @DamianC_Official
    @DamianC_Official 28 дней назад +1

    As a local Western Sydney Trainspotter. I would love to see thwm in action on camera in the near future! Thanks for the shoutout, It means alot!

  • @aussiejohn5835
    @aussiejohn5835 29 дней назад +3

    This is an excellent video that you can be proud of. I much prefer the look of these trains, and I love the seating layout. I do think that a 4 or 6 car train is preferable for the airport line. Great video, well done Elliot 👏 👍

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  29 дней назад +1

      Thanks John!
      I do agree on your point of these trains looking better, hopefully they make the trains longer sometime in the near future!
      Thanks for watching! :)

    • @aussiejohn5835
      @aussiejohn5835 29 дней назад +1

      @@tsetstransport you're very welcome 👍

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes 28 дней назад +1

      The metropolis will start to become outdated when these enter service on western Sydney airport and metro west so makes sense to use different trains due to different specifications too.

  • @shawnd-v1660
    @shawnd-v1660 28 дней назад +2

    Having shorter trains means the line would run short, but frequent services so you never have to wait long for the next one, think current peak M1 services but all day. Plus the new sets are wider to help accommodate bulky luggage

  • @electro_sykes
    @electro_sykes 28 дней назад +5

    train example at 6:01, that was submitted by Hyundai Rotem.

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  28 дней назад +1

      Ah, thanks for letting me know!

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes 28 дней назад +3

      Honestly I prefer that design over what they ended up choosing.

  • @geoffreymoore1510
    @geoffreymoore1510 23 дня назад

    Thanks for this. Can't wait to see it all get going.

  • @Dobuan75
    @Dobuan75 27 дней назад +1

    By the time the airport and Aerotropolis (a name I dislike) have been developed to the size where more than a three car metro is needed, the technology will have changed sufficiently that these Siemen trains will be obsolete and will require replacement anyway.
    The entire thing is stupid and short-sighted though.
    We should have been like Europe and built a north-south high speed train platform and infrastructure under the new airport terminal with a branch line high speed service to Central.
    Make the Western Sydney Airport, Sydney’s intra-state, inter-state, and international transport hub.
    Then the federal and state governments can start a dedicated high speed rail project from the cities moving in incremental stages to start revenue services before ultimately linking up.
    E.g.:
    Concurrently, Sydney builds north to Newcastle with a stop in Gosford, and south to Canberra via Wollongong, Moss Vale, and Goulburn.
    Melbourne goes west, north-west, and north. West to Geelong, north-west to Ballarat and Bendigo, and north to Wodonga.
    Brissie goes north and south. North to Noosa, and south to Balina via Coolangatta.
    Adelaide goes east to Mildura and south-east to Mount Gambier.
    Then natural extensions occur beyond these ultimately linking Perth, Alice, Darwin, and Cairns via Townsville to the routes.
    Sorry Hobart. No train to you… but you deserve a better car ferry service.

  • @airlineshow
    @airlineshow 21 день назад

    Contractually, and technically shifting trains between M1 and Sydney Airport Metro would be very difficult

  • @bigdude101ohyeah
    @bigdude101ohyeah 28 дней назад +3

    The rollingstock for Metro West hasn't been chosen yet, so there's a chance that they could also use (longer) Inspiros. AC electrification and a heavier loading gauge is always welcome, and they really should've gone with AC when they built the M1.

    • @airlineshow
      @airlineshow 21 день назад

      I think M1 had to the same as Sydney Trains due to running parallel at Chatswood-1500vDC. They deemed dual voltage to be too costly

    • @bigdude101ohyeah
      @bigdude101ohyeah 21 день назад

      ​@@airlineshow That makes sense. Sadly I assume there are no plans to upgrade Sydney Trains to AC, even after the Tangaras get withdrawn. There are probably much bigger fish to fry.

  • @r-labs9357
    @r-labs9357 28 дней назад +3

    Honestly we need diversity in the trains being used for Sydney’s metro

    • @cerealport2726
      @cerealport2726 28 дней назад +1

      fair enough, but why?

    • @tacitdionysus3220
      @tacitdionysus3220 28 дней назад +1

      Because technology changes all the time and it is easier to upgrade signalling or trains built at different times on a line by line basis rather than on an entire system. More importantly different lines have different passenger and frequency demand, and using a common train that is big enough for all is overkill and overpriced for everywhere else. Nothing new there, Sydney Trains uses a variety of train types and used different lengths a lot more in the past.

    • @r-labs9357
      @r-labs9357 28 дней назад +1

      @@cerealport2726 idk because it’s common for metro systems to use more than one type of set

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes 28 дней назад +1

      Imagine how outdated the first metro trains will be when metro west enters service

  • @TangaraTrainExplain
    @TangaraTrainExplain 28 дней назад

    Awesome video!!

  • @TheMrTomkennedy
    @TheMrTomkennedy 26 дней назад

    Cheers for the shoutout

  • @Randomsydneytrains
    @Randomsydneytrains 28 дней назад +1

    Nice informative video Elliot! I hope that they’ll also expand Sydney train network sometime.

  • @tacitdionysus3220
    @tacitdionysus3220 28 дней назад +1

    They were selected many months ago, but this is the first time I’ve seen artists impressions (which often vary a bit from the final product) in WSI teal livery. The stations and trains can be expanded to 4 car sets, just like the existing 6 car metros can be expanded to 8.
    I did the numbers on another clip site and that size mini metro is fine for the expected load, if anything a bit generous initially. Metros are usually stand alone systems designed specifically for the lines characteristics. Having big trains and stations all the same size on different lines is a huge waste of money and irresponsible use of energy.
    It’s pretty easy to work out service frequencies by looking at the line length of 23 km, number of stations (6), typical line speed 80 to 100 mph. With six trains running each way it means they are averaging one station length apart, and run each way about every 4 to 5 minutes. Capacity can be increased by adding the 4th car, and increasing the number of trains to enable 2 minute headways.
    In addition you can already see provision for construction of a second metro line from Westmead paralleling this one under Elizabeth drive and through the airport. That probably will happen in about 2050 to 2060, when the second runway is operating and annual airport movements are about 8 times that when it first opens.

  • @edwardleecaliforniausa
    @edwardleecaliforniausa 28 дней назад +2

    This would be great idea im excited to see the new metro station coming up soon

  • @m31tdown
    @m31tdown 27 дней назад +1

    Bruh they can run the williamstown and alamein shuttles they way too small to do a busy metro line with passengers from around the whole world cramming into 3 measly carriages

  • @Aarav_Vispute
    @Aarav_Vispute 28 дней назад +5

    This metro line is very odd

  • @All_Stars_gamez123miku
    @All_Stars_gamez123miku 28 дней назад +1

    nice video!

  • @peterelvery
    @peterelvery 27 дней назад

    Semen Inspiro?😮
    They were the Siemens brothers but I think that might be going a bit too far😂
    The track is the same "gorge" for both Metropolis and Inspiro (I assume you meant gauge) but I believe the Inspiro cars themselves will be wider.
    The train choice is made by the successful consortium.
    Interoperability between lines was clearly not included in the project documentation.

  • @oldmatejohnno
    @oldmatejohnno 23 часа назад

    what's the bet there'll be a $20 surcharge at the airport station like there is on the existing domestic and international airport now? i can almost guarantee it

  • @DanChan-qb2ec
    @DanChan-qb2ec 28 дней назад +1

    I think what the trains really need is a designated luggage place. It's an airport link after all

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  28 дней назад +1

      I completely agree. Normally with these digital images, they end up adding a few more little parts to the train after hearing feedback from the community, so let’s hope that adding lugs racks is one of them! 🤞

    • @tacitdionysus3220
      @tacitdionysus3220 28 дней назад +1

      Never trust artists impressions. For example look at the depictions of the airport terminal layouts in the online documents. Nothing like the final real version. The design notes say the trains are specifically designed for easy luggage carrying, so it’s very likely it will have wider aisles and luggage spots.

  • @LouisChang-le7xo
    @LouisChang-le7xo 28 дней назад +1

    I guess they could run them more frequently to get vancouver skytrain capacities, but now the question arises, how is it possible to do with just TWELVE trains?
    Also I think just building a branch of sydney trains, but using single decker trains like in the other australian cities would have been a better idea for this line.

    • @tacitdionysus3220
      @tacitdionysus3220 28 дней назад +1

      Single deck is preferable for people with luggage. Nothing to say Sydney can’t have single deck Sydney Trains on lines where it is preferable. Human driven ( or remotely driven by humans, just like the new airport control tower will be remote with camera systems and displays, not actually at the airport), faster, cheaper standard design but locally built. Example is for local services Revesby - KSA (old) Airport - Inner West through CityCircle. Double deck are preferable for longer runs like limited stops on full length of T2/8.

  • @ajstransportawptv
    @ajstransportawptv 28 дней назад +3

    I don't mind the train's aesthetics as long as it can be used on Existing Metro lines. If they're gonna connect the WSA with the existing metro lines, then they might need to do something about the electrification systems if the line was to be continuous, they also need to either upgrade St Marys or Schofields stations to allow for underground cross-platform transfers. I also think the South west Rail link should stay as a Sydney trains line. In fact, I think we should be expanding the Sydney Trains network as well as work on the Metro.

  • @anguscovoflyer95
    @anguscovoflyer95 10 дней назад

    This metro should have been extended to at least tallawong

  • @beans5611
    @beans5611 28 дней назад +1

    The front part of the video got me cracking up

  • @mattmuschalik1348
    @mattmuschalik1348 26 дней назад

    No mention of the 25K voltage and the wider cars which makes them incompatible with the rest of the metro fleet. Hopeless planning. As inflexible as possible

  • @MichaelTavares
    @MichaelTavares 28 дней назад +3

    Gauge rhymes with cage my dude 4:53

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  28 дней назад +1

      Yes of course, I’ll change my accent just for you.

  • @tld8102
    @tld8102 28 дней назад +1

    this new rail line being a metro is a mistake. It should have been built with regular double decker train compatability. connecting the two airports together are vital

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes 28 дней назад +1

      If I was doing it, it would be part of metro west. Then you can go from the new airport to the cbd via major hubs like parramatta. Would also ease crowding on the Penrith and parramatta mainlines

  • @deventted
    @deventted 28 дней назад +1

    what a funny train name

  • @thetrainguy4
    @thetrainguy4 28 дней назад +1

    Comparisons with existing stock are pretty meaningless, these trains have a wider loading gauge, different electrification, have different signalling and be operated by a seperate consortium. Three cars was deemed sufficient- the line will be very lightly patronaged on opening.
    Also, connecting the two airports not a priority. Nobody will be transferring between flights from two different airports.

    • @tsetstransport
      @tsetstransport  28 дней назад +3

      As mentioned in the video and based off my personal opinion - I do believe that 3 cars is OK for the lines opening, but having 4 cars may be a good idea after a few years of operation.
      And with the connections between the two airports, there is no need whatsoever for any connections to anything at the moment to connect the both airports but maybe something in the future.

  • @LemonJuice-fn8mg
    @LemonJuice-fn8mg 28 дней назад

    First

  • @darrenreed1174
    @darrenreed1174 22 дня назад

    Ugly train just like the north western metro.asian train?no thanks