This is the INCREDIBLE new Dutch high-speed train!
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2024
- This is the future of Dutch railways (or Nederlandse Spoorwegen / NS), the brand-new ICNG. It's a high-speed unit that will soon be everywhere in the Netherlands (and even on some lines abroad)!
Join me in First Class, as I travel on the InterCity Direct (ICD) between Breda and Amsterdam via Rotterdam, to try out this modern train...
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Journey Details:
Origin: Breda
Destination: Amsterdam Centraal
Company: Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS)
Train: NS 3100 'Intercity Nieuwe Generatie'
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 116 kilometres / 72 miles
Price: €43.19 (£37.20 / $47.50)
Time: 1 hour 7 minutes, arrived 2 minutes late
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As an employee of NS I'd like to reflect on soms points you mentioned in the video.
First the cleaning regime you mentioned. The bins in the trains are emptied every head stop (at big stations) and all trains are cleaned thoroughly every 48 hours. ICNG trains drive around 17 hours per day continuously, traveling around 800-1200km daily with very little stopping time at the end of it's routs. As you mentioned it sees a lot of people who are all allowed to eat and drink on the trains. Therefor the chances of it getting dirty with breadcrumbs or other spills is very big. It's possible to clean it more often but that would also mean the trains would run less frequent than they are doing now (every 30 minutes or 34 times per day, one way). Another possibility would be to make the halting time longer for cleaning but that requires space to halt where the train can be cleaned and this space is not provided by the Dutch rail infrastructure management company ProRail.
Some people mentioned in the comments here that graffiti vandalism is a big problem and I can confirm this. Graffiti vandalism is removed as soon as possible with at least a hand full of trains being cleaned daily. Trains with blocked windows or offensive texts get priority and are almost directly taken out of service if possible. But remember that taking a train out of circulation also means you need to have another train which has to replace it and this is not always available. ICNG is coated with special plastic wrapping which can be removed and re-applied to speed up this cleaning proces as graffiti is extremely difficult to remove from the outside of the train. NS looses multiple millions of euro's every year on cleaning of graffiti vandalism.
NS is a private company accountable to the Dutch government (Ministry of Infrastructure and Water Management). It has one shareholder: the Dutch government (Ministry of Finance). We are obliged to make a profit, which is returned to the government. NS receives almost no subsidies, therefor the prices of the tickets are as high as they are. Yearly we have to pay a fee of ~€200 million to be allowed to drive on the Dutch trail systems and have to pay ~€300 million to the infrastructure manager ProRail (also private) for usage of the electricity. For every km we drive on the HSL-track between Rotterdam-Amsterdam, the Dutch government charges an extra fee on top of the regular fee, which is the supplement that travelers pay. Most shops on the train stations are owned by NS Stations and run a profit. But unfortunately using this profit to make travel tickets less expensive has been prohibited by the Dutch government, as well as using the income from advertisement.
While this is all true and understandable, and the Netherlands have the busiest railway network in Europe (measured in trains per network km) by a large margin, the long and short of it is that Dutch trains just feel dirty. As a native Dutchman, I emigrated at the end of 2000, but try to make it back as often as is practical to visit my family.
Understandably, I didn't make it between the end of 2019 and the end of 2022. And what I noticed is that the entire country felt dirtier. It started right when arriving at Schiphol, and continued throughout our stay. Forget about graffiti: trains are often filthy from the outside.
Again, I understand the challenges and circumstances, but as the occasional user, it feels like I'm paying an awful lot for a service that feels like it could do better. Maybe people are more inconsiderate these days (which is probably a _very_ large part of it), and after almost 25 years away, you start to look differently at things. And dirty Dutch trains is something that gets mentioned a lot in videos like these.
@@SeverityOne Yes the dirty trains are a thing of the last few years and is indeed an issue. One of the main reasons is that this is happening is that the cleaning detergent which is being used was under investigation for environment effects. Due to that investigation all cleaning had to be stopped for a long time. Also the six cleaning installations in which all of the trains from NS are cleaned are very old and have many operational issues. But as this is an installation managed by ProRail it was quite difficult to get them to repair/replace them.
It's possible to clean the trains by hand but this takes a lot longer. When the team of cleaners (external company) are cleaning the outside they can not clean the inside at the same time so a choice had to be made to prefer inside cleaning or outside cleaning. The decision was made to put priority on the inside instead of the outside, resulting in dirtier outsides but clean insides.
In the past year the cleaning has improved again as the above described problems have been partially solved. Also there are investigations going on where a special coating is being used on which dirt sticks less and washes off easier. Unfortunately these efforts and the fact that it has improved in the last year are not mentioned in the comments underneath video's like these.
I ride a icd daily and although they are being fased out they all need a deep clean, some of them have graffiti from months back...
Still waiting until the day highways are expected to make a profit...
Please note that a State-owned company, even though its legal form is an anonymous venture ('naamloze vennootschap'), can be a public company; as is the case for NS. It is regulated by state and law, through public law. Its employees are 'semi-civil servants' under a special 1938 status. (By the way, a 'naamloze vennootschap' also literally is a "public company" in the corporate sense of the word.)
You should have complained about the previous rude staff member to the new staff 😂
good to leave it be imo - there may be an actual rule against filming and you wouldn't want to remind the next train crew about it!
@@Londoncycleroutes in rules of dutch railways standing its not allowd to film inside + no crew members.
If u do some ppl dont like it.
@@theblazingangels4286 Is it because their trains are always dirty and they don't want you to document that?
You enter a wrong train, an employee demands you to leave, and in your prespective he's wrong and you're rigth. You make an error and the fault is not your's to blame...nice
Indonesia bulet train whoosh top speed 350 km/h👍
As I said before: don't bother with first class in Dutch trains.
It only makes sense if you travel during rush hour and the seats in second class are filled. Or if you get your employer to pay for it.
Other than that, just get a second class ticket.
And correct me if I'm wrong: If you use your card/phone to get through the barriers (and remember to bleep the toeslag thing) that is what you automatically have?
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 What do you mean with automatically have? Normally if you use your card/phone or OV-chipkaart you have a pass for the second class, unless you pay extra for first class. So the 'standard' is second class
@@killeronthebeach Yes, I think we agree. The video was talking about buying tickets online and overpriced paper tickets, but you can "just" go through the gates with your choice of payment method and get on second class. No seat reservation means there is nothing to be gained by making it more complicated than that.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Ah I see what you mean, then yes, we both have the same point :). I have never bought first class tickets because I think it's a waste of money. And most students (like me) can travel free because of the 'studentenov', and they travel free in second class.
I suspect that the existence of first class on Dutch trains is pretty much just as a way for companies to subsidize the railways via business travel (which is not necessarily a bad thing, mind, but it means that we 'regular people' are not the target demographic).
ICNG train driver here. My honest opinion is that it's an okay train. Not great, okay. The acceleration on the HSL above 140 km/h is worthless. When going uphill while giving all power that it has it slows down! Parts of the protective coating on the paint are starting to give way, and even the sunscreens in the cab are literally falling apart (Bet you that's a nice little nod back to the V250 haha). Apart from that and some minor technical issues it's a pretty neat train. Quite comfortable and somehow still a lot of space. And maybe most important, it's not a HSL dedicated train like the V250 was. Meaning the ICNG can and will be used in domestic trains which do not run on the HSL. Nice trip report! Not sure why my colleague in Breda was being rude. Guess he wanted someone to boss around... EDIT: The door lock on the toilet wasn't broken. You have to hold the handle a bit longer until you hear the mechanism of the lock ''click''. Most people do not know this and is on of the main issues with the smaller toilet
Hello, thanks for your insider view. I read there used to be a problem for TRAXX-hauled trains to climb on the flyover (either at Breda or Rotterdam?). If they arrive too slow, they get stuck.
Does the ICNG have the same issue, or does it have enough power (below 140kph) to climb the flyover ?
(I think there is a similar issue to exit the tunnel under Antwerpen ?)
@@ralphzechendorf1644 The 186 class hauled trains did sometimes get stuck on the fly over from conventional to high speed track. In the middle of this fly over there's a voltage changeover, meaning you cannot accelerate there. And at the start of that fly over there's a signal. When the driver stops right where the signal is there's not much distance to make speed to freewheel over that fly over. This can be avoided by slowing down or even stopping at one signal earlier. Or giving absolute full power at the start of the fly over and letting ETCS shut down the high voltage, sometimes with the result of the main breaker switch getting burnt out. Costing about 50K to replace!
@@Dylans-Depot Wow, thanks for the technical information !
Out of curiosity, why _do_ you need to hold the handle for a bit longer? I assume there's a purpose to that design, but I can't work out what it would be.
And to think that 200km/h is an achievement is a joke! In the UK we had HST Intercity 125 almost 50 years ago in 1976 and that was on a diesel network. This is electric. The left hand running is because the NMBS run on the wrong side of the road as far as the NS is concerned maybe? Thats probably because they like driving in the UK too?
Next time get the ID of the rude employee and report him to the station master.
Si on devait signaler tout les employés impolis, il y aurait un sacré Turn-over dans les entreprises.
Nothing will happen to them. While most NS staff are cool, many of them are just crazy people looking to vent their anger on others.
They already lack staff, so I doubt anything will happen to them. Nevertheless it's still a good idea to report it
i sended the video to them on Twitter lol
@@AnimilesYT exactly! nothing will happen. Even the "Netflix conductors" are seen as a new reality.
Thank you for this top review about this new train. Only one subject I missed in your review. A few weeks ago I travelled from Rotterdam to Breda in this type of train. I was sitting at the window side. An irritating cold breeze of air came out the airco system beneath the window. It was not possible to switch it off at my seat.
I am actually not really surprised that these trains are as noisy as you described them.The whole concept of this train is actually more of a regional train - basically everywhere else, like in Italy, those are used for regional service (top speed 160km/h). It seems like to me, Alstom bumped up the top speed of one of their regional models to fit the specifications to call it "High-Speed". That could be an explanation for the rattling sounds at higher speeds.
That's exactly what they did. Alstom basically took their Coradia product, which are regional trains, sooped them up a bit, and there we go, now we have the Coradia Stream with which we *can* achieve the 200km/h that the customer wants, but which is cheaper. (Shhh, don't tell 'em that that's because it's still a regional train at heart!)
It's basically the same as what Hitachi did with their A-train family of regional trains, and that's what screwed up the UK's long-distance trains. Same 200km/h segment of the market. It's just that Alstom was sensible enough to at least put somewhat luxurious seeming seats in and make the suspension a little bit smoother, so at least the first impressions for the masses are still that it's a proper, luxurious train. But the seats are still less comfy than those of proper long-distance trains and the ride is still jittery as it is with regional trains, even if it's a bit smoothed out.
Well he said they were noisy at low speeds too right
@@DJTrainBrain Well seating is in the hands of the customer. If Nederlandse Spoorwegen wanted bathtubs and golden seats, Alstom would've fitted those as well. But you can make the interior as luxurious as it gets - you can't hide the regional train origins of the coradia-plattform.
They also tend to bump a little bit, but according to NS Alstom already stiffened up the suspension a bit and new arrived trains shouldn’t have this problem anymore. To be fair a regional train that can go fast is a perfect solution for the NS. Since our cities are all close to each other quick acceleration plus a decent high speed are perfect. And believe these trains have some nifty power in their boogies
@@DJTrainBrainyeah, as long as CoRail cars are still in use in France, Alstom is not going to build new trains in the comfort intercity market
As someone who spends A LOT of time on trains all throughout the Netherlands my main criticism is the trains' lack of capacity compared to the Koploper or other HSL trains. It's great when it's quiet, but rush hour in these things is hell
Imagine a first class seat with actual padding. The UK could never...
UK people love sitting on benches
I find the GWR first class very comfy with plenty of padding, not sure about the other British companies.
@@camotech1314 They need a Privat door, and block others to get in !
the old days, theatcher !
They can but DfT chose those shitty seats over those which are more comfortable
TfW just vanished lol
Even the pigeons are enjoying their time in Breda's station 👌
I will send this to my dutch friends
@@ncard00 i mean they kinda gave up on fixing the IC4 at this point as they say: it is not worth the time and money to keep on this failure. The IC3 also gets replaced by something new for the parts that are not electrified yet but for that theres no news yet i kinda will miss these comfy trains
Just wanted to add that this train is being called ‘wesp’ (wasp in english) due to the similarities. We dutch love our nicknames just like the old hondekop (dogs head) from the past
very ironic your starter station was named Breda and the previous failed High speed train was by Ansaldo-Breda, same name but no correlation ofc
Well the Breda part of ansaldo-breda is named after a guy with Breda as his surname, I am sure that refers to the same city at least.
@@qlum Nope, it just happens to be an Italian name as well.
AnsaldoBreda became an InsultToBreda.
You forgot to mention the permanent nuclear winter atmosphere, specially implemented on Sloterijk Station to feel extra welcome. For the rest, a top class review again!
So many fond memories of waiting for 45 minutes on a deserted, windy Sloterdijk platform around midnight for the last train that'll get me out of there. It's pretty grim indeed.
I don't know why the Dutch government does not implement a daily cleaning routine on all of its services.
The graffiti vandalism in the washrooms and other parts of the interior and exterior of the trains gives a black mark on the NS. This needs to be cracked down on and criminally prosecuted as well.😮
Strictly NS is a private company with the state owning shares ...
Try to find cleaning staff (for the wages offered).
A lot of sectors have big problems to find staff .. restaurants , police , construction, etc ..and train operators ..
@@lws7394Well, the crux is in the part between brackets: for the wages offered.......
@@lws7394not only that. In Netherlands we more have a tram schedule for trains rather than a normal train schedule. So not a ton time is available for cleaning too.
But i do prefer NS be nationalized again.
Lots of people out there out of work so they should definitely be able to employ some people.
@@camotech1314 actually, that's only 3.7% of the working age population right now. Employees can actually choose.
How rude of the train staff, to kick you out
That staff must be a someone who likes to make the train a secret and probably thinks that a train is a private house, he'll get the audacity tho backfire him
Very Dutch actually. Even Germans find the Netherlands as a very rude place. Imagine that.
Filming strangers you dont know is a very rude thing in the netherlands in general. Most people dont mind, but if you push a camera in their face for no reason, they wont like it
those are the same people that tell you that you have no ways!
@@CAPTAiNC He was filming an empty train. Stop defending the abusive behaviour of egomaniacal staff.
It sure is a nice modern train. Proud of the trains in my country
Great to see you travel from my town of Breda. I regularly use these trains and they are a huge leap forward over the old ones. We called the line Intercity Defect so often did they break down or simply not run. Take one of these trains around 18.30 out of Amsterdam with an expensive first class ticket and you will find the carriage packed full with people standing (and sitting) without a first class ticket, but there is no control anymore as I think conductors are suffering a lot of abuse these days and prefer to hide somewhere and I don't blame them. This line has cut my travel to Amsterdam down from two hours to just over one hour, that's great.
Oh yeah, I wish we kept using the old trains for rush hour from Breda
I managed to ride on one of these when I went to Eindhoven a few weeks ago, these are very nice and kind of remind me of Stadler FLIRTs, maybe because of the bogey layout
Great trains and great video!
People saying "brurhrrudurhrhrbb this isnt high speed" yall do not realize the Netherlands is not large at all, so even if its not "quick enough" you still get to your next city within very times
The Fyra only entered service for only *39 days* .
To be fair tough, they have been operating from 2019 to today in italy without any major flaws. Even if having ridden them a few times i can confirm they are shit, but for less than a quarter of the cost of a new frecciarossa 1000 you could argue it was a bargain for trenitalia
rode it in italy, fantastic train
I would like to pay tribute to this beautiful Italian with Japanese origins. A dazzling achievement, botched tests, like his journey, originally the idea was brilliant but the choice of materials and the lack of reliability was a mistake. casting but Fyra's name will never be spoken again, because it has become synonymous with Fiasco!
But history teaches us the mistakes of our past. Let's go back to the origins of this fiasco to understand how a high-speed train service ended before it began.
In 2004, HSA and SNCB/NMBS ordered 19 v210 autonomous vehicles from the Italian manufacturer AnsoldoBreda, a subsidiary of the Japanese group Hitachi. After this acquisition, the test of 16 trains was planned for HSA, before obtaining the concession in 2007 for the Belgian high-speed lines: LGV4 from the Dutch company HSL.
HSA High-SpeedLine Alliance, was 90% owned by NS Nederlandse Spoorwegen and 10% by KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, the Dutch airline. Within NS, HSA was a subsidiary of NS Hispeed. In this context, Dutch cooperation within Thalys, now Eurostar, was transferred there.
But we had to give a name to this commercial service, it was Fyra. But the v210 trainsets planned before the start of the concession are experiencing delivery delays due to manufacturing problems, forcing the two operators HSA and NMBS to rent TRAXX 2 locomotives in combination with ICm UIC Couleur Fyra cars confirmed for a speed of 160 km/h. The aim was to run freshly painted trains on the new line.
Since 2008, the service has mainly operated on part of the new HSL4 line between Amsterdam Central Station via Schiphol International Airport and Rotterdam Central Station. This service was extended in 2009 from Rotterdam via Breda and Antwerp in collaboration with SNCB.
But profitability was not there and operational problems began to accumulate when the v210 trains entered service at the end of 2012 after a cumulative delay of 6 years, but without the prior completion of lengthy works. rolling tests of Italian equipment, proving their conformity. By neglecting HSA tests to incur liability, which leads to repeated problems and breakdowns, proof of a lack of reliability, the trains will be permanently stopped without having seen the spring.
In January 2013, the circulation authorization of the v210 was canceled for serious safety violations and negligence.
After legal action by NMBS and NS, v210 met the specifications of the specification and HSA was the only responsible operator.
The LGV4 operating concession and the Fyra commercial name will be definitively withdrawn at the end of 2013 and the colors will return to NS with the ICRmmH operated by Trein Bennelux jointly with NS & NMBS, which operates between Brussels and Amsterdam.
In 2014,
Nederlandse Spoorwegen NS Dutch Railways has ordered 99 Corradia flow units, produced in Poland, in different versions from Alstom, which NS will call ICNG InterCity New Generation.
These 99 trains have a lowered floor for better accessibility, can travel at 200 km/h at 1.5 kV DC and 25 kV AC, the latter voltage being used on high-speed LGV4 lines.
Initially, the commissioning of the ICNGs took place gradually during the winter of 2022-2023 on the Dutch part between Breda and Amsterdam. Then in 2025 for the Belgian part, Antwerp, Brussels with the ICNG-B.
The ICNG trainsets will be built in Poland since 2019 and will be delivered and tested in the NS workshops equipped and repainted, without neglecting a long test campaign started at the end of 2020.
On a beautiful Saturday morning on July 2, 2022, the Intercity New Generation ICNG was presented on track 15 of Rotterdam Central Station. It is not yet clear when this high-tech train, with a maximum speed of 200 kilometers per hour, will be put into service. Deputy Director of NS, Bert Groenewegen, expressed to SpoorPro the hope that the train will be deployed on the Dutch railway network according to the 2022, 2023 timetable but also cross-border by 2024, 2025. This has been done for the part Dutch.
@antoniovitellaro it only took them 6 years to get them to work
Honestly the concept of the v 250 and Fyra in a whole looked a lot better than we have with the current icng the v 250 was more a highspeed train (with axles what can break every second doors opening will riding and let’s not forget the lovely battery fires : D)
Great video. Sorry about the crew from the first train. There are plenty of guys making railway videos in the Netherlands. Most NS staff members can act normally. Some are even enthusiastic about it. Unfortunately, there are some bad apples here and there. Anyway, thank you for the video.
Good to see that some of the train staff in Holland are equally grumpy as some in the UK
Ok report this to NS please! This is an absolute no no to have staff act like this and will result in the member being reprimended for it.
A helpful tip for long people in this train, do not sit on a higher seat, you’ll bump your head
Goeie tip. En hier is een Engelse: mensen zijn 'tall', niet 'long'. ;-)
Tip: you can now simply check in and check out using contactless payments, e.g. with a debit or credit card. This works at the gates at the train station, but also on all other forms of public transport, by all operators, everywhere in The Netherlands. I think this makes it very easy to use for tourists, and it saves €1 compared to using the ticket machine. (The IC Direct HSL supppement can be bought at the pole you showed at 13:19). Thanks for the nice video!
but you can't do it for first class iirc
Correct!
Which is super awesome!
Makes using public transport so convenient!
@@khulhucthulhu9952 if you have a card linked to their website you can set up a subscription to get first class access. (OV-kaart, public transportcard. Not your debit card, although you can link your debit to your OV-kaart, so it's still pretty much like using your debit card)
> stopping literally everywhere
Me when the Sprinter appears in my toilet:
8:00 for those who want to know. an regular train: intercity 120-140km/h, and most sprinters are closer to 100 km/h
I love the fact that the teain has actual tables now where you can put things on when traveling as a group
Cleanliness is something NS regards as 'nice to have' I think.
Still absolutely unacceptable for those prices...
My memories of Dutch railways, when I worked there 30 years ago, are 100% positive. At the time it was the best railway network on the planet. I hope it is just as good now.
As a Dutchie I can promise you that NS is in a pretty dismissal state nowadays. Time for some serious competition on the main line network.
@@paulthiel5145 I think we dutch people are not happy with NS but compared internationaly it is still quite good.
@@SGM3000 until 5 years ago I would kind have agreed with you, but after having traveled on trains internationally now quite a lot, I just cannot agree anymore. It's time to bring in some competition on the main line network in order to force NS to actually run a train service that will serve their customers and not only their single shareholder 😬
@@paulthiel5145 Privatisation literally caused this. Its about making money and not about the customer. If you want competition in The Netherlands, dont be surprised if every company goes cherrypicking and leave all the non-profitable lines.
@@paulthiel5145 dan wordt het nog slechter geloof me :) NS , is van de overheid dus succes (grotste aandeel houder is min van financiën)
Great to see you travelling in our nice Netherlands! Thanks for another great video.
that's so cool to see, I go to Breda everyday for school, and I hang out there a lot
Awesome! Thanks for watching. :)
The new HSL trains look nice. But, they have less seating as the ones they are replacing. So the chance of finding a seat, especially in rush hours is slim. And the seats just don't sit as nice as in the old trains. Hope the old ones will be around for a long time.
Edit: the Koploper trains are not being recplaced by these new trains. They are also not running on the HSL.
ICNG is replacing both ICRm + Traxx and Koploper/ICMm. It's just that the higher priority is to the Traxx sets so those are getting replaced first, after that gradually ICMm will also start leaving service (some sets, IE the oldest one, 4011) are already trickling out. Although some of the slack will also be taken up by DDNG around 2028
ICNG is planned to replace the SW7/9 sets, aswell as the ICMm-1 fleet (4011-4050), which were the oldest. the ICMm-2/3/4 series will be replaced by DDNG
Exactly my thoughts/experience!
@@stefannl_plays But considering the delivery speed of the new ICNG sets, it will be a while before they start replacing the Koplopers.
@@RenzeKopericm 4011 has been handed over to the national railway museum.
I have ridden it on its goodbye run
3:43 That's my photo! 😁
Great review, thanks!
These new trains are really cool to look at, but they have their flaws. The old Koploper trains are a lot more comfortable, they still are my absolute favourite. Being Dutch I want to be pround of NS, but I can't. Just because of all the things you mention :( Train travel is far too expensive for what you get, especially 1st class which is always exactly 70% more expensive than 2nd class but offers little more than 10cm extra seat width and a somewhat less crowded space to be in. Of course there are rail operators in Europe that offer far worse comfort and/or service, but their price point is lower. It is great that you can reach so many places in NL easily by train, but not in a way we all want. Don't get me started on cleanliness.
You nailed all the pronuncations by the way, hats off :) That is not easy. Only Moerdijkbrug was not quite right, but that is a nightmare to pronounce for English speakers. The sounds oe and ij do not exist in English, here you get both of them in one word.
Ive been on one, it compeltly broke down 100m away from Amsterdam Centraal and we were stuck inside for an hour and a half. Also, halogen lights lmao. Interior is top notch.
My sincerest thanks for not saying "HSL-zoo weed".
this guy actually tries to pronounce it correctly bro
And not calling it "ship hole" airport
@@OntarioTrafficMan isn't it schiphol
@@warrior_365chess It is but non dutchies say ship hol very often
As for your recommendation to book online, you can also just use your bank of credit card, on the gates, no need to get a ticket online.
Was interesting to see this, since I never get the oppertunity to sit down in this train between Amsterdam Centraal and Schiphol, since it's so busy during rush hour
Oh no! 😭😭😭
I will miss the double decker intercities, these were my all time favourites😢
They're not going to be removed for many years yet! :)
I grew up in Breda, in an area nearby the railway tracks. At night, we could hear the freight trains run by. Takes me back! I now live in Amsterdam, so I will soon be travelling on this very train to visit family. Thank you for making this video, very nostalgic and at the same time cool to see the new technologies!
Haha, that's cool. Glad you enjoyed, and have a nice trip! :)
@@SuperalbsTravels WoW much better than anything in Chi Na🎉
Nothing is more fun than doing the “roller coaster” section at 300 on the front cab. Over the bridge and a deep dive into the tunnel followed by a gentle curve to the left going up….
@9:46 one normal socket and one USB socket per pair of economy seats - huge upgrade (if they work) over older NS trains
As someone who has lived in the Netherlands for some years now, I must say I don't have the most positive impression of the new trains.
Even though they look very sleek on the outside, they feel like nothing more than a glorified metro. And the seating layout feels incredibly inefficient to me. The older IC Direct pulled by locos were longer and had much denser seating, which on such a busy route is a must. These ones get way more crowded than the older ones. I've seen it get to the point where you can't move inside, standing shoulder to shoulder with your fellow passagers in a 35 minute train trip (Rotterdam-Amsterdam).
The idea here is more to run a lot of trains instead of stuffing the trains as full as possible. ICNG boarding is much nicer due to the big doors and less cramped carriage doors. But I agree that capacity wise this might be a downgrade, although, as a passenger, I am happy they did. The old trains felt like one big tin, here the divisions make the train feel more cosy and the section divisions help create different atmospheres.
@@Giruno56 They dont have the staff to run more trains. They are highly understaffed.
9:12 fun fact also 12 of them have been ordered for service specifically to Germany
There 5 coach and 8 coach trainsets. The 8 coach (3300-serie) ones are for crossing the border to Belgium. They also ordered 2 trainsets for crossing the border with Germany which has 15.000 V. catenairy instead of the Dutch/Belgium HSL voltage of 25.000 V.
Glad and proud to be a Dutch citizen 🇳🇱
The HSL-Zuid is my playground since the FYRA was introduced. Been working the classic route to Brussels as well as High Speed offerings by NS International like Thalys/Eurostar.
For 2 years there has been a nasty TSR for 80 km/h on a section of the line where the train is in a 15 degree bank angle. Checking tickets and doing my rounds in the train I must have made a miss-step and my left knee gave way, knacked and something snapped inside, resulting in an immediate sick leave for not being able to walk normally. I work in a different part of the company at the moment hope to return by the new timetable, although I hope I can split my time in 50 percent office work and 50 percent on the train.
As for the international sets, 2 more have been ordered bringing the total up to 22 for cross border services. These sets could be used to extend a limited service pattern from Brussels to Groningen but will also be equipped with German systems to be used as a test-bed for a follow up order for a 2 hourly planned service from Amsterdam to Cologne bringing the frequency to 1 train per hour alternating with ICE services.
Does anyone know why the max speed is only 200km/h when the HSL line is built for 300km/h? I know the Netherlands is not that big of a country but the trip from Amsterdam to Antwerp is almost 2 hours on a Intercity Direct
300 km/h trains would have been far more expensive and much harder to make properly accessible, with only a small time saving due to short distances on the Dutch HSL.
Amsterdam-Antwerp is currently still done with the loco-hauled 'temporary' carriages capable of up to 160 km/h and with a detour via Breda. A new limited-stop ICNG service is due to be introduced in December, and should take 1h15 or so between Amsterdam-Antwerp.
because you have dedicated high speed trains on this route as well the thalys and eurostar. this service is ment to be a higher speed intercity train. the nmbs does the same thing by running 200km/h loco hauled trains form brussels to liege over HSL 2
next time, report the employee. you are allowed to film, he is also not allowed to force you out
Italy has an exact copy of this train, the ETR 103/104 POP, which however is used on regional and commuters trains and is quite uncomfortable for a long journey.
This one however has a better use and looks like more comfy. Yet seems like these seats are more like those of a commuter train.
Train service in the Netherlands is a bit different from other countries. Most people zie it as OV (Public transport), it is not always used to go long distances like in different countries and it is not for going vacatio for example. it is simply used to get you from point A to point B just like a bus. sometimes when it is busy you could be forced to stand for longer than an hour, just because there aren't any seats left available. In short, for most people the train in just like a fast bus.
P.S. i do not want to provoke anyone just the way i think most people feel about dutch trains.
Yes! I was wondering what OP's standards are when it comes to trains, because for us Dutch people it's literally to get us from point A to B.
The cleanliness of the train looked fine in my opnion
Well and appealingly made video. You have a good "radio voice" with practical remarks. Grade A! For that reason, I might want to watch more of your videos.
what a bizarre experience with that first member of staff!
Thanks! The NS is not a state train company. In the footsteps of Margaret Thatcher, much was privatised in the Netherlands. And it led to the same deterioration, as you briefly hinted on with the Amsterdam - Brussels trains.
As for rudeness, this seems to be accepted. I remember that I was on a « long » distance train to Amsterdam Airport on a busy train. Being handicapped and with crutches, I couldn’t find a seat. Bad luck, because I was told that pregnant women and handicapped persons no longer had priority. Public transport in the Netherlands requires a special pass that you need to charge in order to buy a ride.
There are always seat marked as handicap spots, they have a little wheelchair icon. If people fail to realise you're allowed to sit there, simply ask them next time. Rudeness is not the same as Directness in the Netherlands. Whoever told you that 'pregnant women and handicapped persons no longer had priority' was lying to you.
20 YEARS? It's a special then!
Sounds like a very old Formula one car decclarting!
Atleast it looks like i will be able to get on and off the new train in my wheelchair without having to pre book assistance a minimum of 24 hours ahead. Thats cool.
Pre-booking assistance only needs to be 1 hour in advance in the Netherlands (or at least with NS), since a few years.
Though you might still need assistance since tracks and platforms may sag over time, causing the train interior and platform height to no longer be aligned.
Afaik, NS is required to have accessible trains when they buy new ones so hopefully the need for assistance will get lower and lower :). All trains that require (with the exception of international trains like Eurostar and ICE) that require assistance are from before 2010
What a coincidence, I took the train from Breda to Brussels today but it was a much older train that had one hour delay due to technical issues. I wish I would have been in the ICNG instead!
Breda to Brussels will NOT have ICNG trains in the future. These trains will go from Rotterdam directly to Antwerp. Later this year we will all get NMBS/SNCB training on the I11 coaching stock.
@@MaartenOtto @paddipetermann ICNG-B (33xx) units will run Amsterdam - Antwerp - Brussels service, the current HLE28's will temporarily run with I11 on a slower service that goes via Breda to Rotterdam. Eventually those will be replaced with TRAXX3 locomotives NMBS ordered (the I11 stock will remain)
A coule of things: The noiselevel depends on where you sit, not only the noise of the engine but also the rattling from the axles. There are some quiet places. The cleanliness of the trains was 30 years ago a lot better. Then the cleaners came after each ride, now they're all gone because it's cheaper. Speaking of witch: Dutch traintickets are expensive but what I did was buying a NS Weekend Vrij . You can travel from friday 6.30pm until monday 4.00am for about 44 euro's each month. So that's a lot cheaper than a single ticket.
The Fyra... what a great age. I remember that very well... the old train station of Breda and the costant cancelation of Fyra. We used to gamble if it would run or not. What a tragedy. Nowadays the tragedy is the high-speed line between Breda to Rotterdam. There is still a bottle-neck at the little village called Prinsenbeek. Once a train is stuck there, all trains towards Dordrecht and Rotterdam are delayed. Also Intercity Direct makes use of the Thalys traintracks.
Fun fact: on single track routes in the Netherlands, the trains always cross each other on the left even though on the rest of the network they pass on the right side.
Get believe that the NS guard made you leave the train. What a jobs worth.
3:43 those trains are now in Italy operated by trenitalia as frecciarossa (ETR 700 “scarpone” or “albatross”)
Or "Multipla". Their nose really looks awful.
2:09 every city in the netherlands have bus stations next to train station. because it just makes sence
Indeed it does make sense! :)
7:23 You can thank the Belgians for the HSL-Zuid being left-hand drive.
It saves a bunch of complexity when the trains from Belgium enter the country.
Little fact I think might interest you: This exact train model by Alstom has also been ordered by the Romanian national railway, CFR. If I remember correctly, 37 in total have been ordered, 3 of them have been delivered and currently in the testing phase. Their livery consists of the traditional Romanian colors and the pattern is representing the Infinity Column sculpture from Târgu Jiu by the Romanian sculptor, Constantin Brâncuși.
You have used our national railways so I think you understand this upgrade is like going from the stone age directly into the contemporary age (((((((:
The mood lighting looks far too bright, is it like that in real life or how your camera picked it up?
goddamn, I live in the Netherlands, Brabant, and haven't encountered a staff member like that once, it's hard to believe that such employee's work in the Netherlands
I know, it's disgusting...
Ngl you nailed the pronunciations of the Dutch words in this video
Thank you! :)
@@SuperalbsTravels you are welcome! :) I subscribed too
what is the averages total speeds. ? in nederlands
9:08 'Hondenkop' was the official name, but most people who commuted with it in the 80s and 90s (like myself) called it a 'boemeltje'.
Cool! And what does that name mean? :)
@@SuperalbsTravels I don't know if there's an English word for it. It's a common Dutch word for shapes like this, but nowadays nobody uses it anymore.
Wat een prachtig station is breda
Agreed! 😍
Great job on the Dutch city names! Better than 99% of non-Dutch.
As for the personnel, I hope you have better experience with other personnel (I think this is very much an exception - most conductors are very kind)
13:44 second class is very good in the netherlands. most people take it.
As a Dutch person, I am a bit ashamed that the employee so rudely kicked you off the train for no reason. This really shouldn't happen. Yet this is sadley a part of the average Dutch person, they are not always friendly and and quite direct.
As you said in the video, the Netherlands is very small and densely populated. This makes the train in the Netherlands almost a metro.
The distances that people travel are never very long. The new train is, as it were, a luxurious and fast metro.
the Dutch railways are unfortunately very expensive, often busy due to short trains and very dirty. The latter is due to people who do not clean up their mess. And because of the NS that cleans the trains poorly.
Using the "not always friendly and quite direct" excuse all the time make you seem very dishonest especially under videos like that where it clearly wasn't the problem at hand
@@unepintade
It is not an excuse under every video. It's just a Dutch thing to react so rudely in such a situation. The employee could also have simply indicated that he would prefer not to be filmed. And being able to ask what he was doing.
12:36 Reminds me of the Br 1440 in Germany
I wonder if that staff member had a bit of a power trip. Was there anything in the rules about filming? At the very least a warning could have suffice.
Dank je wel
I love how cute they look. I haven't seen them myself yet even though I live in the Netherlands, but they don't have a connection at the main station I regularly visit
Its funny that you call them cute as the nickname they already gained is "De Wesp" :)
Regarding tickets: you can just check in and out using a credit card or a Dutch bank card. Or even using your phone, if you have set up mobile payments. No need for any setup, it just works. This will check in as 2nd class.
The "harmonica" noise you heared in the train is the "boordnet omvormer"(dutch, i dont know the english word for that) it is something the older VIRM emu's also have
Statische omvormer…
Or called IGBT VVVF Traction control❤😊
Interesting to see. These trains stood in Dresden-Neustadt for a few weeks so I went past them a couple times and always wondered how they look like from the inside. In summer I might get to try them myself, even if only from Amsterdam Centraal to Schiphol Airport.
Nice, have a fun trip! :)
I have to take this train once in a while and actually think they are very quiet. Maybe it depends where you are seated...
Still haven’t tried this train yet, hopefully they’re gonna operate in the north very soon
The change to running on the right happens just before Rotterdam station. This situation occurs, one assumes, because Belgian trains are on the left.
Lol, I know this train station, I visit it once a week.
Could you do another Finnish train video: take the pendolino to oulu by the 8h route via kouvola and Pieksämäki😁
I am absolutely shocked that you were thrown out of the train, just because you were filming. The guy must have had a bad day I guess... Maybe I will be riding the ICNG coming week. I have not yet been on a iCNG. About the Fyra, yes it had some problems. Its first test rides took place in harsh winter conditions. I think giving the manufacturer a chance and some time to fix the problems those trains would have done well, but it were the Belgians who immediately said: no we do not want them anymore. Therefore NS had no choice, because they were meant to do the services from Amsterdam to Brussels. Btw did you know that international trains will no longer go to Amsterdam centraal in the near future? They all will terminate at Amsterdam Zuid (south) station.
Manufactured in Chorzów, Poland in a former tram factory.
I live in Amsterdam, i did see them.
We do build that Europa crab thing together as friends.
Thanks for that info, i like Poland !
Interesting the old Konstal Factory. When it comes to the Builder plate German speakers from Belgium South Tyro in Italy Austria Switzerland and Germany have a spelling for it Köingshütte. Remember German speakers cannot pronounce Polish City names correctly which explains their use of Posen Köingshütte Danzig Breslau Kattowitz
As an Australian, the Netherlands is basically one large city with no desolate areas whatsoever.
Here we can lose people in the bush forever, less than an hour from downtown.
That being said, the fact that the Netherlands is a huge food and flower exporter just blows my mind.
The Netherlands is one of my favourite places on the planet and I absolutely loved every trip I’ve made there.
Shame about the absolute prick of an employee attempting to dent that image. We’ll just take that as an isolated rarity.
What's all that stuff sticking out of the lower front of the engine? Is it that way all the time, or does it retract into the engine and cover itself?
IKEA makes trains??:):)
Great trip. Bit disappointed when you got kicked by train staff on first train, but thankfully you can get the second train. Overall great replacement for failed Fyra in Netherlands, even though in some places need some corrections.
The Fyra was a true high-speed train, up to 250 km/h, as now used with excellent results in Italy. ICGN, on the other hand, is a regional train used as an intercity train with speeds of up to 200km/h.
In Europe, high speed is meant to start from 250kmh
There isn't enough distance between stops in the Netherlands to run at 250kmh anyway. 200 is fine.
high speed service in belgium is also 200km/h. you have thalys and eurostar these go 300km/h.
Waiting for 20 years for a new train it's just outrageous
Nah it took 20 years to order the V250 have it delivered, send them back for being faulty pieces of junk, order TRAXX units and ordering these new ICNG units
You can see Koploper/ICM's around Amersfoort quite frequently. They are mostly used at the Intercity trains through north or the east or in some shorter services like Amsterdam-Almere.
But not for long! I must come and have another ride before they finish.☺
I still see the Koplopers around Rotterdam Alexander
Reading tip: The Fyra Fiasco. 👌🏻
I'm a Dutch student who travels over the HSL daily to go from my home to Breda. I prefer the older trains because these new ones (we call the Wasp) aren't suitable for the busy busy rush hours. My friends and I all agree on this and we sigh when we see this train.
09:27 The walk space it too tight for people with luggage. The seating is too little. Yes there is more space to sit, but the amount of seats are so little, so many of us end up having to stand for 30 or more minutes. (I have foot issues though so I try to always find a place to rest my feet). And the automatic doors regularly close on people, I've had it close onto my bag multiple times. Also why are there *so* many doors?
People like to sardine themselves near the doors, which makes it hard to traverse the space, that's an issue in all trains here but it's worse with the small pathway.
I've heard rumors that a lot of 'defect train on the track' messages are because of these trains. And a lot of it comes from people still learning to use them.
10:46 OH, well I learned something. Never was it explained that these lights actually meant something. I did think the symbols showing that you are in a quiet zone are slightly harder to spot, compared to the double decker and older train models where it's clear on the window.
I like the low entrance so people with wheelchairs and such can enter the train the more easily. I like the lights and the seating is nice when it's not rush hour.
I also go over the Moerdijkbrug daily so I've gotten some great pictures and scenes to witness over the years. Plus as a student you get free OV, which is great.