In Malaysia there are two light railway transit line. One get their trains from Bombardier of Canada and one from CRRC China.. guess which one have the most issues and delays.... Bombardier!
That's because we westerners go cheap for some reason... Indonesians were smart to not only build the high speed rail but get China to transfer the technology so Indonesia can build out the high speed rail network themselves
My country(Thailand) operated lots of Chinese trains. And the results were mixed. A subway operator (BTS) use both Siemens(made in Austria), Siemens(made in Turkey) and Chinese train(formerly CNR, now CRRC). And from what I heard, CRRC train the best. Very reliable with good built quality. Followed by Siemens(Austria) and Turkey is the worst (still acceptable). They also have people mover from chinese (which works fine). And monorail train, which doesn't. The wheel falls of the train, but the issue has been indentify as design-related issue. Not build quality or maintenance. I'm not sure who to blame, as the monorail was from Bombadier. Which isn't chinese, but has huge operation in China. They already redesign and change all the wheels. Let's hope it's a one time incident. Also, an intercity train operator (SRT) have 2 model of Chinese diesel locomotives. And 1 model of chinese passenger cars. Locomotives is on the unreliable side, but passenger car is solid. But this operator are notorious for it's inefficiency. And many issue stems from improper maintenance. So I'm not if it's the Chinese to blame. I'm still think chinese trains are fine. And I'm quite happy if they order more. I'm just a bit puzzled why it goes so badly in Europe.
Maybe there are more strict regulations in Europe. Safety standards, use of toxic materials, toxic gases in case of fire, signal interferences, behavior in accidents...
@@mipuist Signal interference is about train control system. And I don't think train manufacturer has a say in that. But you got a point regarding accident-related issues. But again, China already built thousands and thousands of trains. They ought to learn something about it by now.
Yes, before the contract are signed all designs, specifications and seats design and materials are presented to the buyer and after they approve and agreed then only the contract are signed. So now complaining on it is nonsense. That the problem with this ungrateful customer. You pay peanuts you get monkey. 😂
This channel doesn't know that this train is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands such as Tesla and Mercedes, they make or order products in China and put their brand name on it. These products carry their brands and these brands are responsible for these products. If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand. Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries. Therefore, the foreign brands are responsible for the quality of the products. Unfortunately, people only know that these products are made in China. After all, you get what you pay for. If one pays the price of a Toyota, one should not expect the quality of a Rolls-Royce.
Tbh, I've seen enough of the people blaming on the Chinese when the interior is bad. As Simon stated, "I'm not sure what CRRC and *Leo Express* were thinking..." The interior is agreed upon, and it's mostly the customer's preferences and less of the manufacturer. I can also see that every CRRC train in Europe isn't in any Chinese standards, and I'd assume that it's requested to be like that. I'd say that for CRRC to enter the European market, they'll have to up their game with European standard trains, otherwise they'll continue to get blamed for technical issues... Because trains in China run completely fine.
@@Pidalin This CRRC train for Leo express was actually made for them, so it is both of their "fault" (for good or bad). I got your point, so it's the original operator's fault. But still, I never saw any train in China being like this. That's my point.
This is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands, such as Tesla and Mercedes, it makes or orders products in China and puts its brand name on them. These products carry its brands, and these brands are responsible for their quality. If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand. Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries. Therefore, the brands are responsible for the quality of their products. Unfortunately, dumb people only know that these products are made in China. After all, you get what you pay for. If one buys a product at Walmart prices, one should not expect the product to be of the quality of Bloomingdale’s, Neiman Marcus, etc. Walmart shoppers pay Walmart prices for products labeled Made in China. They are too stupid to know that the brand is responsible for product quality, not the country of production.
Ehh not really, it is number 12, behind countries like finland, canada, latvia or sweden. Still it is quite high, and about triple the european average, but still.
A week ago, RegioJet decided to lease these trains from Sirius for 5 years to operate on the Kolín - Ústí nad Labem route. They expect the final approval for operation (they are still in trial operation) next year. Note that only two units were in (trial) operation in the Czech Republic, the third unit was waiting in China. After the lease agreement was announced, the third unit was shipped from China and is expected to arrive in the Czech Republic in November.
Old products, probably bought using government money (tax payer money) by CORRUPT officials. Trains in China and BRI countries are BULLET trains that run at >300 km/hr!!!
As a local who literally lives in the middle of this lane (Lysa nad Labem), I travel here often and honestly from a passenger experience these trains were okay-ish. Definitely better than the old ones for old people and strollers. Unfortunately they were extremely unreliable and slow. Regular loco-hauled trains with three coaches seem to accelerate and brake a lot faster here.
From "Railvolution" : A test service with passengers with the Sirius 665.002, which began in February this year, finished at the end of May. Now the next phase of the ETCS-supervised trial has begun, with RegioJet saying that both EMUs currently in the Czech Republic will be included in this test operation. On 6 June 2024, unit 665.002 left VUZ Velim centre to Uničov for ETCS-supervised test runs. From Uničov it then made two pairs of test runs via Olomouc to Červenka and back.
@@Simon-Andersen If you are CCRC and wanting to break into EU market, it would make sense to take 1 of those 3 trains that are abandonned and test your ETCS system/software to have it certified so next time you have an order, you can claim to already have ETCS system up, approved and tested.
I guess my last comment with a photo link got removed, here it is without the link. The unit is now rotting away covered in graffiti, on an industrial railway in Nučice. Edit: They've cleaned it up and it's now back in service on the same R23 line.
Really? Chinese trains are world famous for their reliability. China alone operators than 50k km high speed and city subways. Maybe Europeans just don’t know how to do it.
And China is also world-famous for not posting news about their failures and for having strict regulations for construction and safety certification. Listen, I have no doubt that China can build trains, but everything they have delivered to Europe so far has been a cheap, discount product. This is what happens when European buyers want to save money, and China tries to enter the market by undercutting prices. Just because you know how to build a high-speed train doesn’t mean you’re also great at medium-speed; they’re different beasts.
@@Simon-Andersen lol they are world famous for not posting news on failure of trains? It’s internet world. If there is a train wrack, we know. Love you wear a colored glasses. There are high speed trains in Laos and Indonesia operating today and the Japanese still can’t build in India and Vietnam. As for Europeans, German trains are a joke if they can be on time and British can’t build anything running above 200 kph. Spain has the 1990 looking trains but at least it runs on time. Seriously, give it a rest and just learn someone does it better than you. It’s not that hard… there are more than 50 cities with tens of thousands of miles subways in China carrying more than the entire European population everyday in its system.
Please go to China and see the trains yourself! Some Europeans think they can get a luxury designer bag at a budget price, that only happens in your dream!
@@Simon-Andersen lol sounds about right. I had a lengthy reply and it never showed. Kinda sad someone who still think they are somehow better at this. Some Europeans lol..
At 11:10 the sound you can hear is coming from the traction motors and it's not an issue, they just make that sound at a certain RPM that roughy happens around 60 km/h. The Regiojet Traxx 3 locomotives have the exact same ''Issue'' they just make weird sounds at similar speeds.
Interior noise is one issue but those Chinese motors are probably also much less efficient/well designed, so I guess they are much louder and unpleasnatly sounding also from the outside.
This kinds of sound comes from Direct Torque(Self) Control. It was originally developed by BBC/ABB and widely used on locomotives, e.g. BR240 BR101 BR185, and EMUs, e.g. BR423.
How funny to see the station building of Kolín a very short time after I, a person from Switzerland, quite unexpectedly had to spend about two hours there in August. I was travelling by train from Ustí nad Labem to Krakow in Poland, with a change in Kolín, and the start of the ride (with a regular old Regiojet composition) went smoothly, but it ended in a town called Dřísy due to an issue with the overhead wire, and from there we passengers had to get to Kolín through a slow mix of a ČD regional train, two different rail replacement buses, and lastly a small regional diesel train, arriving in Kolín hours later and having to wait for a long time for the next connection, with another train change on the way I catched only narrowly, finally arriving in Krakow about 5 hours late... but I wasn't in a hurry and saw various towns and stations I wouldn't have seen otherwise ;-)
That sounds like an eventful journey! Thats what i really like about making these videos is that sometimes i find myself in these smaller towns i would have never visited otherwise :D
hey, this is such a coincidence! i was actually on the same train that had the issues and i remember a swiss man was there too, so it was probably you! i hope this negative experience didn't deter you from visiting Czechia again haha
@@ondrejpergler6369 Must have been me, indeed! I was the bearded and bespectacled Swiss man on that train, don't think there was anyone else from Switzerland... A small world! As I said, I wasn't in a hurry and found the experience more interesting than totally negative, and it was also not typical for my Czech train experience 🙂
You should try the class 530 or 550 in the South Moravian region in Czechia. They run on the regional lines S2 from Letovice to Brno/Křenovice, S3 from Křižanov (now only Tišnov) to Brno and Hustopeče u Brna/Židlochovice, the line S51 from Šakvice to Břeclav and the shortened line S9 from Břeclav to Hodonín.
8:40 the "excelent" idea was that if the train is almost full and you can't book a seat for your entire journey you could spend a few stations in these and then move into a regular seat when it is avalible. I really don't know what they were smoking but it must be some grade A stuff :D btw you couldn't book them on RJ's services
This is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands, such as Tesla and Mercedes, it makes or orders products in China and puts its brand name on them. These products carry its brands, and these brands are responsible for their quality. If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand. Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries. Therefore, the brands are responsible for the quality of their products. Unfortunately, dumb people only know that these products are made in China. After all, you get what you pay for. If one buys a product at Walmart prices, one should not expect the product to be of the quality of Bloomingdale’s, Neiman Marcus, etc. Walmart shoppers pay Walmart prices for products labeled Made in China. They are too stupid to know that the brand is responsible for product quality, not the country of production.
Compared to the 1970s junk that the Czech Railways used to send to this line, this is still a _huge_ improvement in comfort and culture of travel. Hopefully, this route gets some RegioPanters. This is a beautiful scenic ride through some of the most iconic portions of the Czech landscape, but my childhood memories of it are mostly marred by the image of Eastern German railcars, the braking noise of which was guaranteed to tear your ears apart, not to mention the stench of dirt and urine.
After the amendments made to Directive (EU) 2014/24 in 2021, the Chinese companies can be legally excluded from public procurement - like most of the rolling stock acquisition procedures. And trying to sell trains to small, private companies, is not a sustainable model on long term, as small companies would generally buy second hand rolling stock or would lease it from companies like Heros Rail or Dispolok. In Romania, we had a rolling stock tender where the Chinese were excluded for that matter... an association between CRRC and a local Romanian company (Astra Vagoane Călători Arad) actually went to the EU's Court of Justice for this, but they lost the appeal. This happened in 2021; the tender had 2 participants: said Chinese-Romanian association and Alstom, so it was attributed to Alstom. We already have 3 Alstom Coradia EMUs in tests, but none in revenue service (it is exepcted a few of them would start to operate with the new timetable in December, but the TSI changes made last year on 28th of September might add some extra months). However, the Chinese eventually delivered one EMU a few months ago to their Romanian partner in the association, which is being tested now and will probably be used by Astra Trans Carpatic (same owner as Astra Vagoane). We're planning a public event to display the new Alstom EMU... we expect Astra to "suddenly" decide to test its train in the same day and in the same station.
why selling train to small, private companies is not sustainable? when small companies can only buy second hand trains to run, how can they guarantee reliable service. it seems unfair to them. if small private companies running train service is unsustainable, why give them the operation licence? small companies can mean more agile and create more competition.
@@streetman6661 It is not sustainable as the vast majority of trains in Europe are under public service obligations contracts (PSO)... and, of course, most of these trains are operated by the state-owned companies. A PSO train is subsidized to allow a lower ticket price, as it's considered a public service (it must ensure the mobility of people, rather than be profitable). A commercial-operated train can't "compete" with a PSO train. Switching completely from PSO to commercial trains is not a solution either, as this would mean some lines will remain without traffic. Probably a solution is to have trains leased directly from the manufacturer.
If the chinese did not build the train according to the specification, why would regiojet still receive it? There is warranty period, if it is not up to the standard, there could be penalty on this. Sometimes, the issue is not as easy as 1-2-3. As we dont get the real issue on the reliability, we could just assume, it could be a wrong specification during tender. I would hope that RegioJet would sue CRRC to their pants off.
Let me try and clear up a few things up, it seems like you missed important details at 6:24 Regiojet didn't order these trains LeoExpress did, and after CRRC failed to deliver what was promised in the contact LeoExpress never managed to actually run these trains themselves and canceled the order in line with the original contract terms. Instead after sitting idle with no purpose for a while CRRC and RegioJet partnered up to allow CRRC to test these trains with passengers and hopefully achieve missing certifications they never managed to secure in time for LeoExpress. So RegioJet most likely managed to secure a pretty good deal on these trains as their original owners ran out of patience and crrc ovbisouly wants to sell or make some kind of money of these trains :)
Some really good features on this train but it feels very much like a concept train, a train to test lots of different things to see what works. I love those business class seats but They're only good for solo travellers. My partner would find the couch style seats great with his hip injury but would probably want them airline style for easier access. Having standing areas with back support to lean on and small tables is a good idea for shorter journeys but then don't have the tiny stick out 'seats'. Lots to build around but it doesn't feel like a cohesive finished product.
These trains will soon start operating again on the R23 line, because the Ministry of Transport requires RegioJet to have at least one low-floor car in each train set (the old Deutsche Bahn cars that are running on this line right now don't meet the requirement).
Yes, they will fully take over this line from December. RegioJet is now preparing the trains for its operation. The trains will probably be yellow then.
On the business class: for a premium product, I would expect to face forward, but airlilne seats are big/complex and based on assumption an airplane always flies forward (though some airlines so configure some herringbone layout with some seats fcing backwards in business). Do you know if the interior is wjhat CRRC suplied to LEO based on LEO's requests. Or was it customized by RegioJet? I am very curious if this is a model that has been in production i China for a while and the 3 units came from that production line, or if the models is a highly customized model to fit EU rules and this a new untested model? I think I was told they were made in China. If they were made in China from Chinese components that CRRC is used to dealing with, than any unreliability is CRRC's fault only. If CRRC was forced to create a custom models for Europe that has european compnents that CRRC is unfamiliar with, then as a new custom model, some debugging of the models is to be expected. Having said this, in Montréal, the CRRC commuter coaches have *finally* been put into service after a very long period of quality assurance to debuig issues. And thos are just coaches (loc hauled). So there appears to have quality assurance probvlem with CRRC.
Seats and basically the entire interior is as LEO ordered. Face foward is not common in Europe in any class. Made in China but im not sure what model its based on there, or if its from scratch.
pretty sure this model is custom made for Europe. In Asia we don't have low floor trains as these are compromise made to fit into inferior low floor stations. There is absolutely no low floor trains in China aside from some tram routes (tram in Tokyo is high floor!)
@@Simon-Andersen When you board a plane, you see the airline's brand, not Boeing or Airbus. The comfort of the seat is the responsibility of the airline, not Boeing or Airbus or seat maker. When you eat at a restaurant, do you blame the chair manufacturer if the chair is uncomfortable? So, you are a stup!d loser.
This is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands, such as Tesla and Mercedes, it makes or orders products in China and puts its brand name on them. These products carry its brands, and these brands are responsible for their quality. If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand. Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries. Therefore, the brands are responsible for the quality of their products. Unfortunately, dumb people only know that these products are made in China. After all, you get what you pay for. If one buys a product at Walmart prices, one should not expect the product to be of the quality of Bloomingdale’s, Neiman Marcus, etc. Walmart shoppers pay Walmart prices for products labeled Made in China. They are too stupid to know that the brand is responsible for product quality, not the country of production.
First of all, these trains were originally ordered by LeoExpress and only ended up with RegioJet after LeoExpress had to cancel the order. CRRC failed to meet the standards LeoExpress expected, especially when it came to certifying and manufacturing the trains. Unlike plastic toys, trains are not white-label products, and CRRC's factory plates were placed in multiple locations on the trains. If you ask LeoExpress, they had discussions with the market and found the CRRC offer most appealing, likely due to a combination of price, delivery times, and the ability to commit to only three trains in the initial purchase. This decision had nothing to do with branding and is pretty standard in the train-buying world. Trains are generally not made according to the brand's specifications because operators typically don't know how to design a train. Usually, it’s a collaboration: the manufacturer handles the technical aspects, while the operator provides input on interior specifications, and the manufacturer does its best to accommodate those requests - seats, toilets', information displays, power bar, space etc You do indeed get what you pay for, but in this case, LeoExpress ordered trains that were supposed to meet TSI safety certification in Europe, which CRRC failed to deliver on time as agreed in their contract. So i guess this is like buying a "Walmart" washing machine that is not certified to wash clothes safely in the US. RegioJet likely managed to lease these trains for cheap after CRRC had three otherwise failed units sitting idle.
Wow, you know that much. Are you a smart child?😀 First thing first, safety is always the first. So, let's suppose that you bought a "Walmart" washing machine that is not certified to wash clothes safely in the US. Who do you think is responsible for that? Washing machine company, you, Walmart, or the US? Or, among them, who is responsible for whom? For example, is the Washing machine company responsible to you, or is Walmart responsible to you? After all, you gave your money to Walmart, and you are a customer of Walmart. Walmart is responsible to you, right? Should your family be happy and proud of having you? So, you must send your resume to LeoExpress and RegioJet. I guess that working for LeoExpress or RegioJet will make you more money than being a poor, dumb RUclipsr. Or, you'd better start judging Boeing and Airbus because you must have flown their planes many times. So, don't wast your resources. But, child, do you know who you are? Are you a customer of RegioJet or the Chinese train-making company? FYI, LeoExpress or RegioJet is a customer of the Chinese train-making company Child, you are a customer of RegioJet. Unfortunately, your brain doesn't know that you are talking about RegioJet and RegioJet's service in your video because you were a customer of RegioJet and bought a ticket for RegioJet's service. Just as you board a plane, you buy and receive the service of the airline, not the plane-making company. Your comfort, such as the seats, is the responsibility of the airline, not the plane-making company. Get it? I hope by now you should know that you are not a customer of the train-making company. If you still don't know, ask yourself: Have you and your family ever bought or made a train? Have you? If your answer is no, wtf do you and your family know about trains? Riding a train only entitles you to judge the services of the transport company operating the train, but it does not make you an expert or judge of trains. Just like eating in a restaurant only gives you the right to judge the restaurant's food and service, but it does not make you an expert or judge of the builder of the building in which the restaurant is located or the furniture company that made the restaurant's chairs. So, child, you are a disappointment, and so is your loser family. 😅🤣😂
@@一个说话大声的中国人 Always a good start when, instead of addressing anything I said, you just resort to insults. Stop deflecting from the issue. Walmart wouldn’t be able to sell washing machines without proper certification, just like this train never operated for LEO Express because it never received safety certification when LEO Owned them. Now, the "washing machine" has a temporary permit and can be used for tests with passengers. I purchase the machine knowing this, and Walmart makes it clear, so I understand that I might not be getting a perfect product. I can’t blame Walmart for the faults of the washing machine, but I can point out the flaws of the product, which are clearly the manufacturer’s fault. I’m actually a transportation engineer, working for the Copenhagen Light Rail, and I don’t spend my time name-calling others on RUclips without any basis. I’d be more than happy to blame Boeing on my next flight with Alaska Airlines if the door falls out mid-flight. After all, Alaska Airlines purchased the plane from Boeing and has nothing to do with the door. Unfortunately, as you’re busy calling me a child instead of addressing anything I said, your logic is flawed. I am entitled to form and voice an opinion about anything I want. I chose to use something called free speech to present my honest thoughts about my experiences with a train, based on my experience riding it, reading public information about it (such as articles and press releases from LEO Express about how unhappy they were with the product CRRC delivered), and combining that with the knowledge I’ve gained from my studies and work experience as a transportation engineer. And i am entitled to share this if i so please. So no, just because I bought a ticket with RegioJet doesn’t mean I can’t also direct criticism toward CRRC. Exactly the same logic applies to your restaurant scenario. I’d be more than happy to critique or blame the owner of the building the restaurant is located in if I had any issues with it, even though I’m just a customer of the restaurant. So, commenter, maybe you should spend a bit more time researching instead of name-calling.
@@Simon-Andersen 🤣 "I’d be more than happy to blame Boeing on my next flight with Alaska Airlines if the door falls out mid-flight. After all, Alaska Airlines purchased the plane from Boeing and has nothing to do with the door." Ok, you'd blame the Chinese train if the door falls out. Do you think you will encounter a situation where doors fall down on Chinese trains? What if I tell you to take a look in a mirror, buy a private jet, and never bother with public transportation again, or only ride the trains made in France, Germany, or Japan? I must tell you that the Czech isn't the wealthiest country, and its people aren't the most prosperous. The Czech can't afford only to buy French, German, or Japanese trains, and the Czech standard of living must be below that of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, etc. BTW, did the Chinese train door fall off? Can't you remember that you complained about the seats? Are the seating comfort and the door falling out mid-flight comparable in your brain? Would you blame Boeing on your next flight with Alaska Airlines if the seat is uncomfortable? So, you are not only a child but also passionately barking at the wrong tree like a crazy puppy. Please, barking at China any way you like, you are free to be a crazy puppy. Your teachers are responsible for training you, not me. Your parents are responsible for raising you, not me. I've wasted enough time with you. Bye!
@@一个说话大声的中国人 "Do you think you will encounter a situation where doors fall down on Chinese trains?" You chose to ignore my point that when something is wrong with the actual construction of the train, such as it not getting the necessary safety approvals (TSI) or the traction motors sounding like they were struggling. It's fair to criticize CRRC the builder-even if you bought a ticket with RegioJet. RegioJet has nothing to do with the traction motors. - Which both were mentioned in the video and you have decided to ignore this despite me poiting it out multipule times now. "What if I tell you to take a look in a mirror, buy a private jet, and never bother with public transportation again, or only ride the trains made in France, Germany, or Japan?" I’ll happily ignore your advice. Why would I take advice from some random person on the internet who hasn’t managed to provide a single piece of evidence, only personal opinions, to justify why I should listen? I have plenty of videos criticizing aspects of German trains on this channel, and I continue to avoid French rail for various reasons, as I find their trains mostly unremarkable and their service levels and operators terrible. Both RegioJet and LeoExpress are privately owned open-access operators, and therefore have very little connection to what the "Czech" people can afford. Their decisions are based more on what they deem good for their business. "BTW, did the Chinese train door fall off?" No, but it still hasn’t managed to get proper safety and TSI certification for passenger operation, which definitely indicates something is not quite right. Luckily, the Czech authorities weren’t as quick to certify it as Boeing-something I also mentioned in the video, which you’ve once again chosen to ignore. "Can't you remember that you complained about the seats?" I do remember-I complained about some of the seats, and I also mentioned that LEO Express were part of the design on those, as I pointed out at 8:34 in the video. I already highlighted this in a previous comment, which you once again chose to ignore. "Would you blame Boeing on your next flight with Alaska Airlines if the seat is uncomfortable?" No, but I might complain about other aspects of the airplane and appropriately blame the vehicle manufacturer for that, just as I did in this video-for example, in the history segment at 6:24. "Please, barking at China any way you like, you are free to be a crazy puppy." I am appropriately criticizing CRRC for their flaws and shortcomings on this train project, while acknowledging that LEO also made some interesting choices with the interior. The entire video is backed up with sources and articles, along with my own experience-unlike your comments. n the video, there was no "barking" at China, only a mention of their not-so-successful track record in Europe. Nowhere was there any dismissal of China's ability to build trains, either in China or elsewhere.. "Your teachers are responsible for training you, not me." I think my teachers did a good job and i think you could benefit from their classes, because you clearly haven't been taught to cite your work or provide evidence for your claims, leaving you looking like a fool. Your parents are responsible for raising you, not me. Maybe they should. Parents who raise their kids to insult people on the internet aren’t exactly great role models. You’re more than welcome to come back once you learn how to write constructive comments, and then we can have an actual conversation. I know China can build good trains, but this one from CRRC was not one of them.
Not sure when you filmed this but last month 2 of these trains were sitting in the sidings at Řehlovice (Usti region) village station. It looked like they had some technical notices stuck on them and one was covered in graffiti. So I wonder if they'll ever enter regular service?
This train travels at a speed of 160km/h, it does not fall under the definition of a high-speed train. It is similar to the one built by China in Laos connecting its capital city Vientiane to its northern town Boten on the border with China. In the EU, trains at the speed of 200km/h on upgraded track or 250km/h on new track are classified as high-speed rail. In China high-speed trains travel at the speed of 300km/h to 350km/h.
I don’t know what this guy is smoking but he should go to china and see the kind of Trains they have. He’ll realize Europe is still in the dark ages when compared to Chinese train network.
I have no idea what this commenter is smoking, but they definitely missed the point-this video is specifically about one train that China was contracted to build for a European company. It's not a comprehensive analysis of Chinese rail manufacturing as a whole. I'm fully aware that China has some impressive high-speed trains, but that's largely irrelevant here. This video focuses on a medium-speed train intended for Europe, which is a very different context.
1:10 this station gives me some bad memories.. Me and my friends had to Wait in there for around 3 hours because it got delayed (after 4 days of canoeing and camping - imagine the hangover). All because of poor Czech Railroads management…
Airline-like seats seem to me a great idea for long distance trains (if designed to be converted to lie-flat beds especially for night service), while I can imagine the "standing seats" (or whatever you call them) on commuter trains (if you want to make the train unpopular). So why put the two things on the same train? Or was this meant to be an experimental train from the very beginning with no serious plan to ever be put in regular service?
It does not make a ton of sense, LEO operates mostly daytime services on the 3-4 hours Ostrava - Prague corridor, with some overnight extensions to Kosice and Krakow.
"Why I kind of like blanks failed blank" is kind of how to summarise my feelings towards the danish IC4 trains. They look super cool and they are nice to ride in. But damn did they ever make me sad when they were unable to make them work for proper intercity services
Chinese manufacturers, I think, are just better off with Metro trains or bullet trains - becuase that's what they specialize in. Either the more urban trains, or the ultra high speed trains linking cities in even faster time. They just aren't good at building intercity trains that are in between the metro and bullet trains in usage and length.
For intercity trains the problem is not about who made it, it is the difficulty to match to the different system and condistion of the countries, very often we see trains from few different company in one city, time by time, year after year, we never see a perfect system.
I'm always surprised by the business/first class on European trains. The density of airline style lie-flat business class seats is nearly identical but the experience so much nicer for long journeys. Ya, it's not necessary for most journeys, but neither is anything other than a standard second class ticket.
They should have checked with New Zealand Railways. The bought new diesel-electric trains from China. On delivery the found that the insulation used was asbestos. China was found to be in breach of contract and was responsible with removing the asbestos and disposing of it. The also had to insulate the engine with accepted insulation. This took a long time with negotiations and performing the task.
@@martinum4 In March 2014 KiwiRail reported that tests had shown small (5%) amounts of white asbestos in a soundproofing compound in five locomotives, with no asbestos in the remaining 34, and with no airborne asbestos or asbestos dust found
In March 2014 KiwiRail reported that tests had shown small (5%) amounts of white asbestos in a soundproofing compound in five locomotives, with no asbestos in the remaining 34, and with no airborne asbestos or asbestos dust found.
I can tell you responsibly that the layout of the car, seats, toilets and other equipment are all customized by the manufacturer according to the requirements of the railway company, and even purchased from a third party designated by the operator, so some of the problems you mentioned are not Problems with Chinese manufacturers
Business class on this train is a zillion times better than 1st class on the New Alstom trains in Romania. I guess they don't understand what comfort is supposed look like. The "standing seats" are horrible though. They need to retrofit to 2nd class seats.
The business class layout seems very weird. Just look at the seat in front of you and behind you. They are very badly aligned with the window. And then they also put a sticker in your face ;D This storage thing right next to you seems rather pointless, but I guess they wanted to provide something extra for your money. I prefer regular 1+2 layouts on most first class coaches.
Romanians would have the Chinese build the whole system to get a better product for half the cost of western European ones 😊 - I think Serbia is doing just that
Let the Polish order a train from Bombardier, before complaining about this Chinese train! We in Switzerland use our Bombardier trains now as shaker for the production of butter! If we can fix them good enough to last for 20 miles, that is!😂😂😂😂
Kind of, but I think 'resurrection' would be more accurate if they actually got a proper, not just temporary, permit to operate, and if an operator bought these train (similar ot Fyra in Italy) With the recent news from RegioJet after this video was released, it now seems like it might actually happen. Overall i still see the project as somewhat of a failure, considering the delays and the fact that Leo Express, their original owner, ended up canceling the order.
In the US, on Amtrak, a lot of our Amtrak Trains' Seats, even in economy, already feature accommodation like this. I guess that is an upside of older equipment remaining in service for so long.
The interior, spec and design are done accordingly to the buyers requirements and it’s very foolish to blame the manufacturer. That’s the problem with this people, they wanted it their way than makings noise on it. China are considered one of the best train manufacturers company in the world and they have being recognized worldwide.
@@albertchu7926 Yes ofc the interior is done by the buyer, which was mentioned in the video. But that was not the only issue with this train was it? LEOExprss might have ordered a cheap train, but CRRC still signed a contact to build and deliver a train for that price, which they clearly didn't. As it was both years late, filled with technical issues and unable to meet the standards for TSI certification required to operate in Europe as explained in the video. This was definitely a requirement on the contract CRRC signed and agreed to deliver to Leo Express. I know China can build trains, but clearly they can also take on contacts where they promise too much for too little, that you can't blame on buyer. You're basically saying it's okay I bought a cheap car I never got to drive on public roads, but that's okay because sometimes the cheap car company can build good cars. I definitely wouldn't be happy with the cheap car company if they never delivered me a car I could drive
Why are railways obsessed with multiple until trains? Locomotives in push-pull mode are flexible and can be tailored to the traffic. Airline style seats on trains are a very bad idea. They add to the mass of the vehicle and result in loss of the luggage space between seat backs as then need heavier frames.
Because locomotives are heavy, do more wear on the railroads and overall costs more to maintain. Also it wouldn't be efficient if there're too few carriages. MUs can also be tailored to the traffic if the units are short and can be coupled together, it does cost more to build as every unit requires its own complete set of equipments.
@@maxwang7937 MUs have heavier individual vehicles. And more equipment to maintain than just the one set in a locomotive. Each unit also needs a full set of signalling kit to talk to the ERTMS or equivalent. The real cost of new trains has been rising sharply over the past 40 years. With MU trains we end up with gross overcrowding or trains running almost empty. They are hard to tailor to the traffic. A one or two coach train only needs a tiny locomotive. In recent years we have also got fleets of trains which are so incompatible with each other that if one fails, it may be hard to find anything that can get it out of the way. It's a recipe for an unreliable system. My last long distance train journey ended in a six hour bus ride. Track damage is a very complex matter which depends on the precise design of the suspension systems. The modern trend towards small wheels makes matters worse, as does the design of bogies with yaw dampers that are not horizontal. If passengers are getting a bumpy ride, it means that the track is getting bashed at the same time. MU trains are not necessarily kinder to the track.
@@maxwang7937 This fiasco demonstrates another problem with MU trains. If they had been simple hauled vehicles it would have been easy to find a use for them somewhere. A well designed locomotive such as the British class 37 and 73 will carry on working reliaby for 60 years. The Swedish RC types also look set to soldier on for many more years. If you are concerned about carbon footprints, then you keep your stock in service as long as possible and avoid running trains almost empty.
@@physiocrat7143 Keep operating super old locomotives is not eactly environment-friendly or even cost-efficient. Newer engines can dramatically decrease energy consumption. Besides if the train is too short, then using a heavy locomotive to haul it would cost a lot of extra overheads. You can of course only hook for example 3 carriages to a loc, but that won't really decrease carbon footprints. A 3-car MU would draw much less power and use weaker but adequate engines.
@@maxwang7937 “Keep operating super old locomotives is not exactly environment-friendly or even cost-efficient.” This is true as a broad generalisation. However, the energy consumption of rolling stock and infrastructure has to be calculated over its entire life cycle, from mine to scrapyard. I cannot lay my hands on the figures, but I understand that at least a third of the energy consumed by a train occurs in mining and refining the raw materials and construction of the vehicles. Large amounts of energy are used to just to mine and transport the minerals and convert the ore to aluminium metal, while aluminium welding is also an energy-intensive process. Aluminium mining is not environmentally friendly. Similar considerations apply to electrification infrastructure and battery technologies. As regards cost, around a third of the total is for the capital costs of the rolling stock. This is usually reckoned to be fully amortised after 20 years, after which the costs are reduced to just the marginal costs of maintenance, overhaul and refurbishment. Since rolling stock has to be robust enough to withstand the arduous railway environment, it will last for 60 years with a mid life refurbishment. This is why we still see elderly trains in service, for example, locomotive types such as the British classes 20, 37 and 73, German class 232, the Swedish type RC, and various trains on London Underground. It cannot be economic to scrap serviceable rolling stock when some of the components need to be replaced. “Newer engines can dramatically decrease energy consumption.” Indeed. Trains such as the British IC 125 stock, the class 56 diesel electric locomotives and the class 73 electro diesels have been fitted with new engines such as MTU types, which not only cleans up the emissions but also makes them more powerful. “Besides if the train is too short, then using a heavy locomotive to haul it would cost a lot of extra overheads.” It might, but a locomotive capable of hauling 3 carriages should not weigh more than about 70 tons, and the carriages themselves will be lighter as they will not have the heavy traction equipment built in. A slightly larger and heavier locomotive - say 80 tons, will be able to manage 6 coaches, which some can be taken out of service when they are not required, and this is a useful opportunity to carry out tasks such as cleaning and maintenance. There is a further issue - the spread of on-train signal systems such as ERTMS. This is extremely expensive and has to be installed on every train capable of running independently. It makes economic sense to fit it all into a single vehicle - a locomotive. “You can of course only hook for example 3 carriages to a loc, but that won't really decrease carbon footprints. A 3-car MU would draw much less power and use weaker but adequate engines.” Railway operation accounts for 0.7% of total UK carbon emission. It isn’t even worth the effort thinking about it. However, if decarbonisation of the railways adds to costs or makes rail less attractive in other ways, then the result will be increased emissions.
Very good try but the chinese company fergot that they need to provide checks/repairability for the lifecycle of the train. Especially for the "infant mortality" stage of the parts. Now you have a very nice trains but noone wants them. Could have prevented all of this by for example teeming up with cz loko and giving them some basic schematics and training. better luck next time
SIMON - better try new Czech classic electric units RegioPanter - the best livery has Plzeňský Kraj / Pilsner Region. Spreading fast all over CZ and replacing old school trains with loko and wagosns... Or the very recently launched diesel units Regio Fox - ordered 160 units- already available in PID (Prague and central Bohemia) Livery or in livery of Pardubický kraj/Pradubice region or classic ČD livery. There are also spreading all over CZ and replacing mainly Regio Nova (all types and colors) units and single car/twin car Regio Mouse all modification from original type "810" via various types of modernisations until the lat modernosation known as Regio Mouse.. To make it more clear - final stand ovned and run by ČD will be follovong: regional and interregional electric units: Regio Panter, InterPanter(just longer interrregional RegioPanter) - both from our Czech Škoda Group regional diesel units: RegioSpider(from Stadler), RegioShark (from Pesa) and newest RegioFox(fromPesa)
Sorry, but RegioFox is horrible. Must be one of the worst modern diesel units. The new generation of Panters is really amazing though. A huge upgrade over the old ones, maybe even better than similar Siemens Desiro ML.
@@markoobid2005 nobody asked you for your ideas - this discussion is ONLY about bulet-proof facts. FACT 1.)They are milion times better than the prewious old diesel units!!! FACT 2.) what would you expect from the cheepest option on the market assambled by polish company in Poland with the worst engins on the EU market made by UK Rolls-Royce...
@@jancada2578 well if you mean RegioNovas it's true Foxes are better. It's not hard to achieve though. And well the engines are the biggest problem - they are HORRIBLY loud with that nerve-wrecking transmission sound. Just when you think how Slovaks made their own RegioMover unit much better and quieter than those Pesa things...
@@markoobid2005 As I told you - the cheapest = the worst quality. BTW new Stadler RS ZERO (=new generation of Regio Spider = only battery or only hydro) will be available on the market since end of 2026
Regiojet is almost always offers the best price to performance-ratio on the market, I would almost always prefer them over the offerings of various national railways
That used to be the case, but they've been plagued by reliability issues lately. Rebooking into lower class, broken seats, broken AC... all pretty common occurrences, unfortunately.
@@Simon-Andersen It is almost a rural line, connecting small-ish towns with around 10 to 30 thousand residents each. The largest city is the terminus Ústí nad Labem, which has about 95 thousand residents. It also goes in parallel with the significantly busier main corridor from Prague to Ústí nad Labem. While not important in terms of passanger traffic, it is crucial for cargo as it allows cargo trains from the east to avoid Prague on their way to the North Bohemian coal mines and chemical plants.
I do not like the trains with narrow passage between seats. I always bump into them with my hips, as train shakes. People also lean on the side and block the passage. Every time I see a bend in the passage, I wonder how would rescuers carry someone on a stretcher. I really dislike the design on the seat´s foot holder. If the train hits something, you are going down there, breaking your legs and getting stuck under the seat, as it starts burning. When that happens to everyone in the same wagon, it is a major flaw.
China has the most advanced and punctual high-speed trains. If you think Chinese trains are bad, you should wonder if your local government's policies and budgets have made a difference
I don't see why China can build good trains in China is an excuse for China building something crap for Europe. CRRC singed a contact to deliver a train for whatever price they mutually agreed with for LEO Express and failed to deliver a working train LEO could accept in reasonable time within the contact requirements they both mutually agreed on.
that's not true. There are also some problems in China. It is only forbidden in China to publish such negative news. That could damage the image in China.
@@andreher6422 They are running a 45k km high speed rail network that runs all over their vast country. I am a regular commuter on these trains whenever I visit. One word to describe the whole system. Mind-blowing.
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In Malaysia there are two light railway transit line. One get their trains from Bombardier of Canada and one from CRRC China.. guess which one have the most issues and delays.... Bombardier!
Same in Singapore Japanese MRT train units, break down almost every week despite numerous Transport ministers being replaced.
@@Rubicon365 New Bombardier train (the one that has the same looks as one in Canada) looks pretty cool though.
Sadly, Bombardier bankrupted.
@@koneos6580 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We have also High Speed Train from China,,and very well doing🤟🤟🤟 from 🇮🇩 Indonesia
The Jakarta-Bandung line is high-speed rail. Its top speed is 350km/h.
That's because we westerners go cheap for some reason... Indonesians were smart to not only build the high speed rail but get China to transfer the technology so Indonesia can build out the high speed rail network themselves
@DylanF.B we hope to do so after on hehe🤟🏻
My country(Thailand) operated lots of Chinese trains. And the results were mixed.
A subway operator (BTS) use both Siemens(made in Austria), Siemens(made in Turkey) and Chinese train(formerly CNR, now CRRC). And from what I heard, CRRC train the best. Very reliable with good built quality. Followed by Siemens(Austria) and Turkey is the worst (still acceptable).
They also have people mover from chinese (which works fine). And monorail train, which doesn't. The wheel falls of the train, but the issue has been indentify as design-related issue. Not build quality or maintenance. I'm not sure who to blame, as the monorail was from Bombadier. Which isn't chinese, but has huge operation in China. They already redesign and change all the wheels. Let's hope it's a one time incident.
Also, an intercity train operator (SRT) have 2 model of Chinese diesel locomotives. And 1 model of chinese passenger cars. Locomotives is on the unreliable side, but passenger car is solid. But this operator are notorious for it's inefficiency. And many issue stems from improper maintenance. So I'm not if it's the Chinese to blame.
I'm still think chinese trains are fine. And I'm quite happy if they order more. I'm just a bit puzzled why it goes so badly in Europe.
Maybe there are more strict regulations in Europe. Safety standards, use of toxic materials, toxic gases in case of fire, signal interferences, behavior in accidents...
@@mipuist Signal interference is about train control system. And I don't think train manufacturer has a say in that. But you got a point regarding accident-related issues.
But again, China already built thousands and thousands of trains. They ought to learn something about it by now.
You want really high quality Chinese trains, you need to pay higher price
I'm in Toronto, home of Bombardier, and we have years of delays and design problems with their trains.
@@mipuist How is Europe has more train crashes than China with that strict regulations when there is literally billions of travels in China a year.
You can't blame China. They Can build the all train like first class seats. Is what the country ordered...then they build for you.
Yes, before the contract are signed all designs, specifications and seats design and materials are presented to the buyer and after they approve and agreed then only the contract are signed. So now complaining on it is nonsense. That the problem with this ungrateful customer. You pay peanuts you get monkey. 😂
@@albertchu7926 You elected clown as a president, the whole country is a circus! Wink wink..
Agreed! You got what you paid for! This customer must have paid low fees to China.
This channel has been seriously underrated for the longest time. Simon, du är fan bäst, mannen!
he's danish not swedish
Average Swede comment
Thank you! :D
Thats no problem, Danish and Swedish is very similar :D
This channel doesn't know that this train is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands such as Tesla and Mercedes, they make or order products in China and put their brand name on it. These products carry their brands and these brands are responsible for these products.
If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand.
Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries.
Therefore, the foreign brands are responsible for the quality of the products. Unfortunately, people only know that these products are made in China. After all, you get what you pay for. If one pays the price of a Toyota, one should not expect the quality of a Rolls-Royce.
Ain’t design choice made by the operator company instead of the manufacturer?
Tbh, I've seen enough of the people blaming on the Chinese when the interior is bad. As Simon stated, "I'm not sure what CRRC and *Leo Express* were thinking..." The interior is agreed upon, and it's mostly the customer's preferences and less of the manufacturer.
I can also see that every CRRC train in Europe isn't in any Chinese standards, and I'd assume that it's requested to be like that. I'd say that for CRRC to enter the European market, they'll have to up their game with European standard trains, otherwise they'll continue to get blamed for technical issues...
Because trains in China run completely fine.
Here in Czechia, we mostly buy used trains from other countries, so interior is probably not something we can customize before order.
@@Pidalin This CRRC train for Leo express was actually made for them, so it is both of their "fault" (for good or bad).
I got your point, so it's the original operator's fault. But still, I never saw any train in China being like this. That's my point.
So Europeans do make odd choices
This is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands, such as Tesla and Mercedes, it makes or orders products in China and puts its brand name on them. These products carry its brands, and these brands are responsible for their quality.
If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand.
Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries.
Therefore, the brands are responsible for the quality of their products. Unfortunately, dumb people only know that these products are made in China.
After all, you get what you pay for. If one buys a product at Walmart prices, one should not expect the product to be of the quality of Bloomingdale’s, Neiman Marcus, etc.
Walmart shoppers pay Walmart prices for products labeled Made in China. They are too stupid to know that the brand is responsible for product quality, not the country of production.
Fun Fact: A Few days ago, I learned that the Czech Republic has the most railroad track, per capita, in the world.
Ehh not really, it is number 12, behind countries like finland, canada, latvia or sweden.
Still it is quite high, and about triple the european average, but still.
@@daanwolters3751 I think he's talking about per land area, not per population
@@daanwolters3751 I must be misinformed. It was a couple of Czech guys that said it. Sry then.
@@antoniodemunari3335 It might have been that, but I give up. Just tested, the numbers are all over.
@@antoniodemunari3335by land they are #8 by population #25.
At least for the active network.
i agree. Firstly, it serves a vitalneed. Second, it fits in quite well. Affordable. Confortable. Safe. Thanks for making this video!
A week ago, RegioJet decided to lease these trains from Sirius for 5 years to operate on the Kolín - Ústí nad Labem route. They expect the final approval for operation (they are still in trial operation) next year.
Note that only two units were in (trial) operation in the Czech Republic, the third unit was waiting in China. After the lease agreement was announced, the third unit was shipped from China and is expected to arrive in the Czech Republic in November.
Very interesting developments for sure
so... what's wrong with these Chinese trains?! They look amazing!
They mad because they are made in China
Old products, probably bought using government money (tax payer money) by CORRUPT officials. Trains in China and BRI countries are BULLET trains that run at >300 km/hr!!!
I think they try to bad mouth China or to make China look bad!
You miss the point. They are CHINESE! and this video is for business on RUclips. Isn't it reason enough ;)
@@YeTao-i4v Your iPhone is also Chinese!
And?!....
As a local who literally lives in the middle of this lane (Lysa nad Labem), I travel here often and honestly from a passenger experience these trains were okay-ish. Definitely better than the old ones for old people and strollers. Unfortunately they were extremely unreliable and slow. Regular loco-hauled trains with three coaches seem to accelerate and brake a lot faster here.
operator determines the service quality, not the train
@@jimmychen576agree, china has a variety of trains. still its buyer specs that they need to deliver.
I would like too see more videos from the czech republic, not only intercity trains, but also small regional trains of wich there are many.
I love that you give details about the geography, economy, etc. Few train channels do this, thanks!
From "Railvolution" :
A test service with passengers with the Sirius 665.002, which began in February this year, finished at the end of May. Now the next phase of the ETCS-supervised trial has begun, with RegioJet saying that both EMUs currently in the Czech Republic will be included in this test operation.
On 6 June 2024, unit 665.002 left VUZ Velim centre to Uničov for ETCS-supervised test runs. From Uničov it then made two pairs of test runs via Olomouc to Červenka and back.
Thanks! So i guess they are doing some ETCS testing still.
@@Simon-Andersen If you are CCRC and wanting to break into EU market, it would make sense to take 1 of those 3 trains that are abandonned and test your ETCS system/software to have it certified so next time you have an order, you can claim to already have ETCS system up, approved and tested.
I guess my last comment with a photo link got removed, here it is without the link.
The unit is now rotting away covered in graffiti, on an industrial railway in Nučice.
Edit: They've cleaned it up and it's now back in service on the same R23 line.
Jenok kde je ta druha a ta prvni je kde v nucicich
@@matejsedivec969 Ta druhá nevím, ale ta v Nučicích je na těhle souřadnicích: 50.0226556N, 14.2126050E
Could you tell me where exactly i can find the pic?
That is sad but not unexpected. Yeah RUclips does not like links, ill try and relase the comment from the spam folder :)
Really? Chinese trains are world famous for their reliability. China alone operators than 50k km high speed and city subways. Maybe Europeans just don’t know how to do it.
And China is also world-famous for not posting news about their failures and for having strict regulations for construction and safety certification. Listen, I have no doubt that China can build trains, but everything they have delivered to Europe so far has been a cheap, discount product. This is what happens when European buyers want to save money, and China tries to enter the market by undercutting prices. Just because you know how to build a high-speed train doesn’t mean you’re also great at medium-speed; they’re different beasts.
@@Simon-Andersen lol they are world famous for not posting news on failure of trains? It’s internet world. If there is a train wrack, we know. Love you wear a colored glasses. There are high speed trains in Laos and Indonesia operating today and the Japanese still can’t build in India and Vietnam. As for Europeans, German trains are a joke if they can be on time and British can’t build anything running above 200 kph. Spain has the 1990 looking trains but at least it runs on time. Seriously, give it a rest and just learn someone does it better than you. It’s not that hard… there are more than 50 cities with tens of thousands of miles subways in China carrying more than the entire European population everyday in its system.
Please go to China and see the trains yourself! Some Europeans think they can get a luxury designer bag at a budget price, that only happens in your dream!
@@Simon-Andersen lol sounds about right. I had a lengthy reply and it never showed. Kinda sad someone who still think they are somehow better at this. Some Europeans lol..
@@mingyueliang9577 they live in a well and think the world is still in the 1980s.. kinda sad..
At 11:10 the sound you can hear is coming from the traction motors and it's not an issue, they just make that sound at a certain RPM that roughy happens around 60 km/h. The Regiojet Traxx 3 locomotives have the exact same ''Issue'' they just make weird sounds at similar speeds.
Ah okay, but at least on the traxx, its less noticable because youre away in a carrige behind and not right above the motor.
Interior noise is one issue but those Chinese motors are probably also much less efficient/well designed, so I guess they are much louder and unpleasnatly sounding also from the outside.
This kinds of sound comes from Direct Torque(Self) Control. It was originally developed by BBC/ABB and widely used on locomotives, e.g. BR240 BR101 BR185, and EMUs, e.g. BR423.
How funny to see the station building of Kolín a very short time after I, a person from Switzerland, quite unexpectedly had to spend about two hours there in August. I was travelling by train from Ustí nad Labem to Krakow in Poland, with a change in Kolín, and the start of the ride (with a regular old Regiojet composition) went smoothly, but it ended in a town called Dřísy due to an issue with the overhead wire, and from there we passengers had to get to Kolín through a slow mix of a ČD regional train, two different rail replacement buses, and lastly a small regional diesel train, arriving in Kolín hours later and having to wait for a long time for the next connection, with another train change on the way I catched only narrowly, finally arriving in Krakow about 5 hours late... but I wasn't in a hurry and saw various towns and stations I wouldn't have seen otherwise ;-)
That sounds like an eventful journey! Thats what i really like about making these videos is that sometimes i find myself in these smaller towns i would have never visited otherwise :D
hey, this is such a coincidence! i was actually on the same train that had the issues and i remember a swiss man was there too, so it was probably you! i hope this negative experience didn't deter you from visiting Czechia again haha
@@ondrejpergler6369 Must have been me, indeed! I was the bearded and bespectacled Swiss man on that train, don't think there was anyone else from Switzerland... A small world! As I said, I wasn't in a hurry and found the experience more interesting than totally negative, and it was also not typical for my Czech train experience 🙂
You should try the class 530 or 550 in the South Moravian region in Czechia. They run on the regional lines S2 from Letovice to Brno/Křenovice, S3 from Křižanov (now only Tišnov) to Brno and Hustopeče u Brna/Židlochovice, the line S51 from Šakvice to Břeclav and the shortened line S9 from Břeclav to Hodonín.
Yeah I suggested this last time😁
Maybe next time! I haven't been around the Brno area before!
8:40 the "excelent" idea was that if the train is almost full and you can't book a seat for your entire journey you could spend a few stations in these and then move into a regular seat when it is avalible. I really don't know what they were smoking but it must be some grade A stuff :D
btw you couldn't book them on RJ's services
Airlines have been lobbying for these things for a while now.
Old trains had folded seats on the corridors for this reason, much better idea.
@@still_gunshigh density mockups existed but no airline dared signing the order.
This is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands, such as Tesla and Mercedes, it makes or orders products in China and puts its brand name on them. These products carry its brands, and these brands are responsible for their quality.
If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand.
Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries.
Therefore, the brands are responsible for the quality of their products. Unfortunately, dumb people only know that these products are made in China.
After all, you get what you pay for. If one buys a product at Walmart prices, one should not expect the product to be of the quality of Bloomingdale’s, Neiman Marcus, etc.
Walmart shoppers pay Walmart prices for products labeled Made in China. They are too stupid to know that the brand is responsible for product quality, not the country of production.
i remember taking a train from prague to budapest some years ago. compared to that pile of moving metal, this train looks positively space age.
Compared to the 1970s junk that the Czech Railways used to send to this line, this is still a _huge_ improvement in comfort and culture of travel. Hopefully, this route gets some RegioPanters. This is a beautiful scenic ride through some of the most iconic portions of the Czech landscape, but my childhood memories of it are mostly marred by the image of Eastern German railcars, the braking noise of which was guaranteed to tear your ears apart, not to mention the stench of dirt and urine.
Regiojet just seem to have leased all of these Chinese trains so it seems like they will become permanent on this line
Looks comfortable, and well designed
After the amendments made to Directive (EU) 2014/24 in 2021, the Chinese companies can be legally excluded from public procurement - like most of the rolling stock acquisition procedures. And trying to sell trains to small, private companies, is not a sustainable model on long term, as small companies would generally buy second hand rolling stock or would lease it from companies like Heros Rail or Dispolok.
In Romania, we had a rolling stock tender where the Chinese were excluded for that matter... an association between CRRC and a local Romanian company (Astra Vagoane Călători Arad) actually went to the EU's Court of Justice for this, but they lost the appeal. This happened in 2021; the tender had 2 participants: said Chinese-Romanian association and Alstom, so it was attributed to Alstom. We already have 3 Alstom Coradia EMUs in tests, but none in revenue service (it is exepcted a few of them would start to operate with the new timetable in December, but the TSI changes made last year on 28th of September might add some extra months). However, the Chinese eventually delivered one EMU a few months ago to their Romanian partner in the association, which is being tested now and will probably be used by Astra Trans Carpatic (same owner as Astra Vagoane). We're planning a public event to display the new Alstom EMU... we expect Astra to "suddenly" decide to test its train in the same day and in the same station.
why selling train to small, private companies is not sustainable? when small companies can only buy second hand trains to run, how can they guarantee reliable service. it seems unfair to them. if small private companies running train service is unsustainable, why give them the operation licence? small companies can mean more agile and create more competition.
@@streetman6661 It is not sustainable as the vast majority of trains in Europe are under public service obligations contracts (PSO)... and, of course, most of these trains are operated by the state-owned companies. A PSO train is subsidized to allow a lower ticket price, as it's considered a public service (it must ensure the mobility of people, rather than be profitable). A commercial-operated train can't "compete" with a PSO train. Switching completely from PSO to commercial trains is not a solution either, as this would mean some lines will remain without traffic.
Probably a solution is to have trains leased directly from the manufacturer.
If the chinese did not build the train according to the specification, why would regiojet still receive it? There is warranty period, if it is not up to the standard, there could be penalty on this. Sometimes, the issue is not as easy as 1-2-3. As we dont get the real issue on the reliability, we could just assume, it could be a wrong specification during tender. I would hope that RegioJet would sue CRRC to their pants off.
Let me try and clear up a few things up, it seems like you missed important details at 6:24
Regiojet didn't order these trains LeoExpress did, and after CRRC failed to deliver what was promised in the contact LeoExpress never managed to actually run these trains themselves and canceled the order in line with the original contract terms. Instead after sitting idle with no purpose for a while CRRC and RegioJet partnered up to allow CRRC to test these trains with passengers and hopefully achieve missing certifications they never managed to secure in time for LeoExpress.
So RegioJet most likely managed to secure a pretty good deal on these trains as their original owners ran out of patience and crrc ovbisouly wants to sell or make some kind of money of these trains :)
Some really good features on this train but it feels very much like a concept train, a train to test lots of different things to see what works.
I love those business class seats but They're only good for solo travellers.
My partner would find the couch style seats great with his hip injury but would probably want them airline style for easier access.
Having standing areas with back support to lean on and small tables is a good idea for shorter journeys but then don't have the tiny stick out 'seats'.
Lots to build around but it doesn't feel like a cohesive finished product.
These trains will soon start operating again on the R23 line, because the Ministry of Transport requires RegioJet to have at least one low-floor car in each train set (the old Deutsche Bahn cars that are running on this line right now don't meet the requirement).
Yes, they will fully take over this line from December. RegioJet is now preparing the trains for its operation. The trains will probably be yellow then.
Looking forward to seeing what happens! Just read the news too :D
The trains are plentiful and run on time unlike many countries.
十年前的产品，而且捷克自己要求中车设计这样的列车，在中国国内并没有这样的规格和内饰，怨不得中车。
€ 11 😃 wow! Nothing to complain about for this price 👍
On the business class: for a premium product, I would expect to face forward, but airlilne seats are big/complex and based on assumption an airplane always flies forward (though some airlines so configure some herringbone layout with some seats fcing backwards in business).
Do you know if the interior is wjhat CRRC suplied to LEO based on LEO's requests. Or was it customized by RegioJet?
I am very curious if this is a model that has been in production i China for a while and the 3 units came from that production line, or if the models is a highly customized model to fit EU rules and this a new untested model? I think I was told they were made in China.
If they were made in China from Chinese components that CRRC is used to dealing with, than any unreliability is CRRC's fault only.
If CRRC was forced to create a custom models for Europe that has european compnents that CRRC is unfamiliar with, then as a new custom model, some debugging of the models is to be expected.
Having said this, in Montréal, the CRRC commuter coaches have *finally* been put into service after a very long period of quality assurance to debuig issues. And thos are just coaches (loc hauled). So there appears to have quality assurance probvlem with CRRC.
Seats and basically the entire interior is as LEO ordered. Face foward is not common in Europe in any class. Made in China but im not sure what model its based on there, or if its from scratch.
pretty sure this model is custom made for Europe. In Asia we don't have low floor trains as these are compromise made to fit into inferior low floor stations. There is absolutely no low floor trains in China aside from some tram routes (tram in Tokyo is high floor!)
@@Simon-Andersen When you board a plane, you see the airline's brand, not Boeing or Airbus. The comfort of the seat is the responsibility of the airline, not Boeing or Airbus or seat maker.
When you eat at a restaurant, do you blame the chair manufacturer if the chair is uncomfortable? So, you are a stup!d loser.
8:39 are these bookable or are they just there
they weren't bookable
Not bookable, thankfully!
Those half standing half sitting seats are the worst thing I have ever seen
This is a REGIOJET train. RegioJet is a Czech company and a Czech brand. Like many other brands, such as Tesla and Mercedes, it makes or orders products in China and puts its brand name on them. These products carry its brands, and these brands are responsible for their quality.
If you ask them why they do this, the answer is that they can save money by using their own brand.
Like all products made in China, they are made for foreign brands and are made according to the designs and requirements of the brands. These foreign brands buy these products from China and sell them in their countries.
Therefore, the brands are responsible for the quality of their products. Unfortunately, dumb people only know that these products are made in China.
After all, you get what you pay for. If one buys a product at Walmart prices, one should not expect the product to be of the quality of Bloomingdale’s, Neiman Marcus, etc.
Walmart shoppers pay Walmart prices for products labeled Made in China. They are too stupid to know that the brand is responsible for product quality, not the country of production.
First of all, these trains were originally ordered by LeoExpress and only ended up with RegioJet after LeoExpress had to cancel the order. CRRC failed to meet the standards LeoExpress expected, especially when it came to certifying and manufacturing the trains. Unlike plastic toys, trains are not white-label products, and CRRC's factory plates were placed in multiple locations on the trains.
If you ask LeoExpress, they had discussions with the market and found the CRRC offer most appealing, likely due to a combination of price, delivery times, and the ability to commit to only three trains in the initial purchase. This decision had nothing to do with branding and is pretty standard in the train-buying world.
Trains are generally not made according to the brand's specifications because operators typically don't know how to design a train. Usually, it’s a collaboration: the manufacturer handles the technical aspects, while the operator provides input on interior specifications, and the manufacturer does its best to accommodate those requests - seats, toilets', information displays, power bar, space etc
You do indeed get what you pay for, but in this case, LeoExpress ordered trains that were supposed to meet TSI safety certification in Europe, which CRRC failed to deliver on time as agreed in their contract. So i guess this is like buying a "Walmart" washing machine that is not certified to wash clothes safely in the US.
RegioJet likely managed to lease these trains for cheap after CRRC had three otherwise failed units sitting idle.
Wow, you know that much. Are you a smart child?😀
First thing first, safety is always the first.
So, let's suppose that you bought a "Walmart" washing machine that is not certified to wash clothes safely in the US.
Who do you think is responsible for that?
Washing machine company, you, Walmart, or the US?
Or, among them, who is responsible for whom?
For example, is the Washing machine company responsible to you, or is Walmart responsible to you? After all, you gave your money to Walmart, and you are a customer of Walmart. Walmart is responsible to you, right?
Should your family be happy and proud of having you?
So, you must send your resume to LeoExpress and RegioJet.
I guess that working for LeoExpress or RegioJet will make you more money than being a poor, dumb RUclipsr.
Or, you'd better start judging Boeing and Airbus because you must have flown their planes many times. So, don't wast your resources.
But, child, do you know who you are?
Are you a customer of RegioJet or the Chinese train-making company?
FYI, LeoExpress or RegioJet is a customer of the Chinese train-making company
Child, you are a customer of RegioJet.
Unfortunately, your brain doesn't know that you are talking about RegioJet and RegioJet's service in your video because you were a customer of RegioJet and bought a ticket for RegioJet's service.
Just as you board a plane, you buy and receive the service of the airline, not the plane-making company. Your comfort, such as the seats, is the responsibility of the airline, not the plane-making company.
Get it?
I hope by now you should know that you are not a customer of the train-making company.
If you still don't know, ask yourself: Have you and your family ever bought or made a train?
Have you?
If your answer is no, wtf do you and your family know about trains?
Riding a train only entitles you to judge the services of the transport company operating the train, but it does not make you an expert or judge of trains.
Just like eating in a restaurant only gives you the right to judge the restaurant's food and service, but it does not make you an expert or judge of the builder of the building in which the restaurant is located or the furniture company that made the restaurant's chairs.
So, child, you are a disappointment, and so is your loser family.
😅🤣😂
@@一个说话大声的中国人 Always a good start when, instead of addressing anything I said, you just resort to insults.
Stop deflecting from the issue. Walmart wouldn’t be able to sell washing machines without proper certification, just like this train never operated for LEO Express because it never received safety certification when LEO Owned them.
Now, the "washing machine" has a temporary permit and can be used for tests with passengers. I purchase the machine knowing this, and Walmart makes it clear, so I understand that I might not be getting a perfect product. I can’t blame Walmart for the faults of the washing machine, but I can point out the flaws of the product, which are clearly the manufacturer’s fault.
I’m actually a transportation engineer, working for the Copenhagen Light Rail, and I don’t spend my time name-calling others on RUclips without any basis.
I’d be more than happy to blame Boeing on my next flight with Alaska Airlines if the door falls out mid-flight. After all, Alaska Airlines purchased the plane from Boeing and has nothing to do with the door.
Unfortunately, as you’re busy calling me a child instead of addressing anything I said, your logic is flawed. I am entitled to form and voice an opinion about anything I want. I chose to use something called free speech to present my honest thoughts about my experiences with a train, based on my experience riding it, reading public information about it (such as articles and press releases from LEO Express about how unhappy they were with the product CRRC delivered), and combining that with the knowledge I’ve gained from my studies and work experience as a transportation engineer. And i am entitled to share this if i so please.
So no, just because I bought a ticket with RegioJet doesn’t mean I can’t also direct criticism toward CRRC.
Exactly the same logic applies to your restaurant scenario. I’d be more than happy to critique or blame the owner of the building the restaurant is located in if I had any issues with it, even though I’m just a customer of the restaurant.
So, commenter, maybe you should spend a bit more time researching instead of name-calling.
@@Simon-Andersen 🤣
"I’d be more than happy to blame Boeing on my next flight with Alaska Airlines if the door falls out mid-flight. After all, Alaska Airlines purchased the plane from Boeing and has nothing to do with the door."
Ok, you'd blame the Chinese train if the door falls out.
Do you think you will encounter a situation where doors fall down on Chinese trains?
What if I tell you to take a look in a mirror, buy a private jet, and never bother with public transportation again, or only ride the trains made in France, Germany, or Japan?
I must tell you that the Czech isn't the wealthiest country, and its people aren't the most prosperous. The Czech can't afford only to buy French, German, or Japanese trains, and the Czech standard of living must be below that of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, etc.
BTW, did the Chinese train door fall off?
Can't you remember that you complained about the seats?
Are the seating comfort and the door falling out mid-flight comparable in your brain?
Would you blame Boeing on your next flight with Alaska Airlines if the seat is uncomfortable?
So, you are not only a child but also passionately barking at the wrong tree like a crazy puppy.
Please, barking at China any way you like, you are free to be a crazy puppy.
Your teachers are responsible for training you, not me.
Your parents are responsible for raising you, not me.
I've wasted enough time with you.
Bye!
@@一个说话大声的中国人
"Do you think you will encounter a situation where doors fall down on Chinese trains?"
You chose to ignore my point that when something is wrong with the actual construction of the train, such as it not getting the necessary safety approvals (TSI) or the traction motors sounding like they were struggling. It's fair to criticize CRRC the builder-even if you bought a ticket with RegioJet. RegioJet has nothing to do with the traction motors. - Which both were mentioned in the video and you have decided to ignore this despite me poiting it out multipule times now.
"What if I tell you to take a look in a mirror, buy a private jet, and never bother with public transportation again, or only ride the trains made in France, Germany, or Japan?"
I’ll happily ignore your advice. Why would I take advice from some random person on the internet who hasn’t managed to provide a single piece of evidence, only personal opinions, to justify why I should listen? I have plenty of videos criticizing aspects of German trains on this channel, and I continue to avoid French rail for various reasons, as I find their trains mostly unremarkable and their service levels and operators terrible.
Both RegioJet and LeoExpress are privately owned open-access operators, and therefore have very little connection to what the "Czech" people can afford. Their decisions are based more on what they deem good for their business.
"BTW, did the Chinese train door fall off?"
No, but it still hasn’t managed to get proper safety and TSI certification for passenger operation, which definitely indicates something is not quite right. Luckily, the Czech authorities weren’t as quick to certify it as Boeing-something I also mentioned in the video, which you’ve once again chosen to ignore.
"Can't you remember that you complained about the seats?"
I do remember-I complained about some of the seats, and I also mentioned that LEO Express were part of the design on those, as I pointed out at 8:34 in the video. I already highlighted this in a previous comment, which you once again chose to ignore.
"Would you blame Boeing on your next flight with Alaska Airlines if the seat is uncomfortable?"
No, but I might complain about other aspects of the airplane and appropriately blame the vehicle manufacturer for that, just as I did in this video-for example, in the history segment at 6:24.
"Please, barking at China any way you like, you are free to be a crazy puppy."
I am appropriately criticizing CRRC for their flaws and shortcomings on this train project, while acknowledging that LEO also made some interesting choices with the interior. The entire video is backed up with sources and articles, along with my own experience-unlike your comments. n the video, there was no "barking" at China, only a mention of their not-so-successful track record in Europe. Nowhere was there any dismissal of China's ability to build trains, either in China or elsewhere..
"Your teachers are responsible for training you, not me."
I think my teachers did a good job and i think you could benefit from their classes, because you clearly haven't been taught to cite your work or provide evidence for your claims, leaving you looking like a fool.
Your parents are responsible for raising you, not me.
Maybe they should. Parents who raise their kids to insult people on the internet aren’t exactly great role models.
You’re more than welcome to come back once you learn how to write constructive comments, and then we can have an actual conversation. I know China can build good trains, but this one from CRRC was not one of them.
Thanks for making this video!
Glad you liked it!
I would really like to travel on this train. But no, here i am on a electrified line, still using ronking diesel trains in belgium
Simon, hope you're able to come over to North America to check out the new Amtrak and Via Rail trains!
At some point!
Are the stand/sit seats foldable to Make more room for standing.?
Not sure when you filmed this but last month 2 of these trains were sitting in the sidings at Řehlovice (Usti region) village station. It looked like they had some technical notices stuck on them and one was covered in graffiti. So I wonder if they'll ever enter regular service?
I think they are doing some kind of more tests now to hopefully get them certified. This was filmed in May 2024
This train travels at a speed of 160km/h, it does not fall under the definition of a high-speed train. It is similar to the one built by China in Laos connecting its capital city Vientiane to its northern town Boten on the border with China.
In the EU, trains at the speed of 200km/h on upgraded track or 250km/h on new track are classified as high-speed rail. In China high-speed trains travel at the speed of 300km/h to 350km/h.
I don’t know what this guy is smoking but he should go to china and see the kind of Trains they have. He’ll realize Europe is still in the dark ages when compared to Chinese train network.
I have no idea what this commenter is smoking, but they definitely missed the point-this video is specifically about one train that China was contracted to build for a European company. It's not a comprehensive analysis of Chinese rail manufacturing as a whole.
I'm fully aware that China has some impressive high-speed trains, but that's largely irrelevant here. This video focuses on a medium-speed train intended for Europe, which is a very different context.
1:10 this station gives me some bad memories.. Me and my friends had to Wait in there for around 3 hours because it got delayed (after 4 days of canoeing and camping - imagine the hangover). All because of poor Czech Railroads management…
3 hours, that's nothing, worse things will happen to you. 😀
@@Pidalin i know right.. it felt like a week though😂
It is good to wait for a train a few hours from time to time.
@@darkokoporcic7146 I strongly disagree😂 Maybe if it’s somewhere in the Alps in Austria,..
@@darkokoporcic7146 Yeah, better than sitting in a car in traffic jams. 🙂
Airline-like seats seem to me a great idea for long distance trains (if designed to be converted to lie-flat beds especially for night service), while I can imagine the "standing seats" (or whatever you call them) on commuter trains (if you want to make the train unpopular). So why put the two things on the same train? Or was this meant to be an experimental train from the very beginning with no serious plan to ever be put in regular service?
It does not make a ton of sense, LEO operates mostly daytime services on the 3-4 hours Ostrava - Prague corridor, with some overnight extensions to Kosice and Krakow.
"Why I kind of like blanks failed blank" is kind of how to summarise my feelings towards the danish IC4 trains. They look super cool and they are nice to ride in. But damn did they ever make me sad when they were unable to make them work for proper intercity services
Thx for this review. The price for the ticket is very good i think. What would be the prive for 2. class?
I think it was like 8 euros.
Is this a re-upload or my memory is totally messed up that I feel I saw the whole thing before 😮
No! But it has been covered by a few other of my fellow railway youtubers also :D
Chinese manufacturers, I think, are just better off with Metro trains or bullet trains - becuase that's what they specialize in. Either the more urban trains, or the ultra high speed trains linking cities in even faster time. They just aren't good at building intercity trains that are in between the metro and bullet trains in usage and length.
For intercity trains the problem is not about who made it, it is the difficulty to match to the different system and condistion of the countries, very often we see trains from few different company in one city, time by time, year after year, we never see a perfect system.
Wish we had seats like that available on the Scottish sleeper service in the UK.
Serbia got CRRC Fuxing train recently (it should be sent to vuz velim atm) but i wonder what kind of problems could it have.
I'm gonna go make a video about it as soon as they start using it on the line towards Budapest!
I tried it, i really didnt like the suspension, it was very rough
Are the traims build from instant noodles?
Plot twist: The instant noodles are actually made from trains.
I heard about some chinese electric trains being in certification in Romania with Astra Transcarpatic. I wonder if it's these trains or not
I don't think thats these, but im not sure!
I'm always surprised by the business/first class on European trains. The density of airline style lie-flat business class seats is nearly identical but the experience so much nicer for long journeys. Ya, it's not necessary for most journeys, but neither is anything other than a standard second class ticket.
Whaat, I never heard about this and I ride RJ all the time!
This was just a short trial run on R23, the semi-regional route between Kolín and Ústí nad Labem.
They should have checked with New Zealand Railways. The bought new diesel-electric trains from China. On delivery the found that the insulation used was asbestos. China was found to be in breach of contract and was responsible with removing the asbestos and disposing of it. The also had to insulate the engine with accepted insulation. This took a long time with negotiations and performing the task.
I didn't even know there were still companies around that produce new asbestos materials
That sounds very bad and intresting, will have to check them out if i ever make it over to NZ!
That was 10 years ago
@@martinum4 In March 2014 KiwiRail reported that tests had shown small (5%) amounts of white asbestos in a soundproofing compound in five locomotives, with no asbestos in the remaining 34, and with no airborne asbestos or asbestos dust found
In March 2014 KiwiRail reported that tests had shown small (5%) amounts of white asbestos in a soundproofing compound in five locomotives, with no asbestos in the remaining 34, and with no airborne asbestos or asbestos dust found.
The noise is more likely due to the type of rail tracks and window insulation.
No, the sounds from the traction motors being loud have almost nothing to do with that.
The train looks decent. It’s not a high speed train so i think it’s alright
I can tell you responsibly that the layout of the car, seats, toilets and other equipment are all customized by the manufacturer according to the requirements of the railway company, and even purchased from a third party designated by the operator, so some of the problems you mentioned are not Problems with Chinese manufacturers
Which is also mentioned in the video 😁
Those business class seats look great!
That kind of seat only exists in Europe. I haven't seen anything like that or that's not popular at all.
Yeah it was an experiment
Pretty funny watching the people on the train glaring at you as if they were gonna murder you as you film.
11:04 thats pretty normal Arriva FLIRT 3c (3 courty flirt) in the netherlands makes more noice in first class and the silence part
Business class on this train is a zillion times better than 1st class on the New Alstom trains in Romania. I guess they don't understand what comfort is supposed look like. The "standing seats" are horrible though. They need to retrofit to 2nd class seats.
The business class layout seems very weird. Just look at the seat in front of you and behind you. They are very badly aligned with the window. And then they also put a sticker in your face ;D
This storage thing right next to you seems rather pointless, but I guess they wanted to provide something extra for your money. I prefer regular 1+2 layouts on most first class coaches.
Some Romanian small operators may be interested in them, if they get certified and the warranty is good enough and if they can get them cheap enough.
Romanians would have the Chinese build the whole system to get a better product for half the cost of western European ones 😊 - I think Serbia is doing just that
Liechtenstein might be a market.
😂
thank you!
Let the Polish order a train from Bombardier, before complaining about this Chinese train! We in Switzerland use our Bombardier trains now as shaker for the production of butter! If we can fix them good enough to last for 20 miles, that is!😂😂😂😂
Why is it " failed"? Shouldn't it be a case of " resurrection"?
Kind of, but I think 'resurrection' would be more accurate if they actually got a proper, not just temporary, permit to operate, and if an operator bought these train (similar ot Fyra in Italy) With the recent news from RegioJet after this video was released, it now seems like it might actually happen. Overall i still see the project as somewhat of a failure, considering the delays and the fact that Leo Express, their original owner, ended up canceling the order.
Chinese trains in Europe? Someone in Bussnang (CH) is not happy.
In the US, on Amtrak, a lot of our Amtrak Trains' Seats, even in economy, already feature accommodation like this. I guess that is an upside of older equipment remaining in service for so long.
and a flower at the sink in the toilet!
Common feature of Regiojet!
The interior, spec and design are done accordingly to the buyers requirements and it’s very foolish to blame the manufacturer. That’s the problem with this people, they wanted it their way than makings noise on it. China are considered one of the best train manufacturers company in the world and they have being recognized worldwide.
@@albertchu7926 Yes ofc the interior is done by the buyer, which was mentioned in the video. But that was not the only issue with this train was it? LEOExprss might have ordered a cheap train, but CRRC still signed a contact to build and deliver a train for that price, which they clearly didn't. As it was both years late, filled with technical issues and unable to meet the standards for TSI certification required to operate in Europe as explained in the video. This was definitely a requirement on the contract CRRC signed and agreed to deliver to Leo Express.
I know China can build trains, but clearly they can also take on contacts where they promise too much for too little, that you can't blame on buyer.
You're basically saying it's okay I bought a cheap car I never got to drive on public roads, but that's okay because sometimes the cheap car company can build good cars. I definitely wouldn't be happy with the cheap car company if they never delivered me a car I could drive
Why are railways obsessed with multiple until trains? Locomotives in push-pull mode are flexible and can be tailored to the traffic.
Airline style seats on trains are a very bad idea. They add to the mass of the vehicle and result in loss of the luggage space between seat backs as then need heavier frames.
Because locomotives are heavy, do more wear on the railroads and overall costs more to maintain. Also it wouldn't be efficient if there're too few carriages. MUs can also be tailored to the traffic if the units are short and can be coupled together, it does cost more to build as every unit requires its own complete set of equipments.
@@maxwang7937
MUs have heavier individual vehicles. And more equipment to maintain than just the one set in a locomotive. Each unit also needs a full set of signalling kit to talk to the ERTMS or equivalent.
The real cost of new trains has been rising sharply over the past 40 years. With MU trains we end up with gross overcrowding or trains running almost empty. They are hard to tailor to the traffic. A one or two coach train only needs a tiny locomotive.
In recent years we have also got fleets of trains which are so incompatible with each other that if one fails, it may be hard to find anything that can get it out of the way. It's a recipe for an unreliable system. My last long distance train journey ended in a six hour bus ride.
Track damage is a very complex matter which depends on the precise design of the suspension systems. The modern trend towards small wheels makes matters worse, as does the design of bogies with yaw dampers that are not horizontal. If passengers are getting a bumpy ride, it means that the track is getting bashed at the same time.
MU trains are not necessarily kinder to the track.
@@maxwang7937
This fiasco demonstrates another problem with MU trains. If they had been simple hauled vehicles it would have been easy to find a use for them somewhere.
A well designed locomotive such as the British class 37 and 73 will carry on working reliaby for 60 years. The Swedish RC types also look set to soldier on for many more years. If you are concerned about carbon footprints, then you keep your stock in service as long as possible and avoid running trains almost empty.
@@physiocrat7143 Keep operating super old locomotives is not eactly environment-friendly or even cost-efficient. Newer engines can dramatically decrease energy consumption.
Besides if the train is too short, then using a heavy locomotive to haul it would cost a lot of extra overheads. You can of course only hook for example 3 carriages to a loc, but that won't really decrease carbon footprints. A 3-car MU would draw much less power and use weaker but adequate engines.
@@maxwang7937
“Keep operating super old locomotives is not exactly environment-friendly or even cost-efficient.”
This is true as a broad generalisation. However, the energy consumption of rolling stock and infrastructure has to be calculated over its entire life cycle, from mine to scrapyard. I cannot lay my hands on the figures, but I understand that at least a third of the energy consumed by a train occurs in mining and refining the raw materials and construction of the vehicles. Large amounts of energy are used to just to mine and transport the minerals and convert the ore to aluminium metal, while aluminium welding is also an energy-intensive process. Aluminium mining is not environmentally friendly. Similar considerations apply to electrification infrastructure and battery technologies.
As regards cost, around a third of the total is for the capital costs of the rolling stock. This is usually reckoned to be fully amortised after 20 years, after which the costs are reduced to just the marginal costs of maintenance, overhaul and refurbishment. Since rolling stock has to be robust enough to withstand the arduous railway environment, it will last for 60 years with a mid life refurbishment. This is why we still see elderly trains in service, for example, locomotive types such as the British classes 20, 37 and 73, German class 232, the Swedish type RC, and various trains on London Underground. It cannot be economic to scrap serviceable rolling stock when some of the components need to be replaced.
“Newer engines can dramatically decrease energy consumption.”
Indeed. Trains such as the British IC 125 stock, the class 56 diesel electric locomotives and the class 73 electro diesels have been fitted with new engines such as MTU types, which not only cleans up the emissions but also makes them more powerful.
“Besides if the train is too short, then using a heavy locomotive to haul it would cost a lot of extra overheads.”
It might, but a locomotive capable of hauling 3 carriages should not weigh more than about 70 tons, and the carriages themselves will be lighter as they will not have the heavy traction equipment built in. A slightly larger and heavier locomotive - say 80 tons, will be able to manage 6 coaches, which some can be taken out of service when they are not required, and this is a useful opportunity to carry out tasks such as cleaning and maintenance. There is a further issue - the spread of on-train signal systems such as ERTMS. This is extremely expensive and has to be installed on every train capable of running independently. It makes economic sense to fit it all into a single vehicle - a locomotive.
“You can of course only hook for example 3 carriages to a loc, but that won't really decrease carbon footprints. A 3-car MU would draw much less power and use weaker but adequate engines.”
Railway operation accounts for 0.7% of total UK carbon emission. It isn’t even worth the effort thinking about it. However, if decarbonisation of the railways adds to costs or makes rail less attractive in other ways, then the result will be increased emissions.
11 euros would be fine if you got to complete the journey - they ought to refund you for not carrying you to destination - did they?
Replacement train 10 min later, otherwise the stations are only a 15 min walk apart.
@@Simon-Andersen i see. thanks - 11 euros is reasonable, then.
Very good try but the chinese company fergot that they need to provide checks/repairability for the lifecycle of the train. Especially for the "infant mortality" stage of the parts. Now you have a very nice trains but noone wants them.
Could have prevented all of this by for example teeming up with cz loko and giving them some basic schematics and training.
better luck next time
the bluetooth device is ready to pair ahh train ☠
SIMON - better try new Czech classic electric units RegioPanter - the best livery has Plzeňský Kraj / Pilsner Region. Spreading fast all over CZ and replacing old school trains with loko and wagosns...
Or the very recently launched diesel units Regio Fox - ordered 160 units- already available in PID (Prague and central Bohemia) Livery or in livery of Pardubický kraj/Pradubice region or classic ČD livery. There are also spreading all over CZ and replacing mainly Regio Nova (all types and colors) units and single car/twin car Regio Mouse all modification from original type "810" via various types of modernisations until the lat modernosation known as Regio Mouse..
To make it more clear - final stand ovned and run by ČD will be follovong:
regional and interregional electric units: Regio Panter, InterPanter(just longer interrregional RegioPanter) - both from our Czech Škoda Group
regional diesel units: RegioSpider(from Stadler), RegioShark (from Pesa) and newest RegioFox(fromPesa)
Sorry, but RegioFox is horrible. Must be one of the worst modern diesel units.
The new generation of Panters is really amazing though. A huge upgrade over the old ones, maybe even better than similar Siemens Desiro ML.
@@markoobid2005 nobody asked you for your ideas - this discussion is ONLY about bulet-proof facts. FACT 1.)They are milion times better than the prewious old diesel units!!! FACT 2.) what would you expect from the cheepest option on the market assambled by polish company in Poland with the worst engins on the EU market made by UK Rolls-Royce...
@@jancada2578 well if you mean RegioNovas it's true Foxes are better. It's not hard to achieve though. And well the engines are the biggest problem - they are HORRIBLY loud with that nerve-wrecking transmission sound. Just when you think how Slovaks made their own RegioMover unit much better and quieter than those Pesa things...
@@markoobid2005 As I told you - the cheapest = the worst quality.
BTW new Stadler RS ZERO (=new generation of Regio Spider = only battery or only hydro) will be available on the market since end of 2026
I like the Panters! Been on a few just haven't made a video about them, gonna have to try the Fox soon!
I am getting a feel of German Regional trains.
Piekny pociag . bracia Czechy
Are the trains really that bad or did usa pay bribes to keep china trains out?
United Snakes...😂😂😂
8:37 Worst seats I have ever seen. wtf is this
Sour grapes,lol!
Nothing wrong with the trains, more like issues with the tracks between different counties and operators !
Regiojet is almost always offers the best price to performance-ratio on the market, I would almost always prefer them over the offerings of various national railways
If you book leo expres around a month before you can get to Ostrava for 200czk,pr abouth 6-7€
That used to be the case, but they've been plagued by reliability issues lately.
Rebooking into lower class, broken seats, broken AC... all pretty common occurrences, unfortunately.
Yeah, I really like RegioJet; nothing beats cake onboard for 0.60 euros. Unfortunately, it's not available on this route.
Czech Railways have improved a lot over the past decade thanks to the competition.
Its very empty train?
Not a very busy line they tested them on.
@@Simon-Andersen It is almost a rural line, connecting small-ish towns with around 10 to 30 thousand residents each. The largest city is the terminus Ústí nad Labem, which has about 95 thousand residents. It also goes in parallel with the significantly busier main corridor from Prague to Ústí nad Labem. While not important in terms of passanger traffic, it is crucial for cargo as it allows cargo trains from the east to avoid Prague on their way to the North Bohemian coal mines and chemical plants.
So these trains were bought at a steep discount.
Chinese built trains got better over the years but are still no match to the quality of the European market.
where can i see some examples of european quality trains?
Hate that you drive backwards ngl
You will see them in Romania in about a decade, probably ;-)
Its not unlikely xd
I do not like the trains with narrow passage between seats. I always bump into them with my hips, as train shakes. People also lean on the side and block the passage.
Every time I see a bend in the passage, I wonder how would rescuers carry someone on a stretcher.
I really dislike the design on the seat´s foot holder. If the train hits something, you are going down there, breaking your legs and getting stuck under the seat, as it starts burning. When that happens to everyone in the same wagon, it is a major flaw.
China has the most advanced and punctual high-speed trains. If you think Chinese trains are bad, you should wonder if your local government's policies and budgets have made a difference
I don't see why China can build good trains in China is an excuse for China building something crap for Europe. CRRC singed a contact to deliver a train for whatever price they mutually agreed with for LEO Express and failed to deliver a working train LEO could accept in reasonable time within the contact requirements they both mutually agreed on.
@Simon-Andersen Are there any other factors behind this?
中国有45000km高速铁路和10000km地铁，中国的高铁是全世界速度最快噪音最小和最平稳的，可能我们已经不习惯制造这么低端的火车了。
他们不知道实况，这些火车是因为没有政府补贴才做的这么低端，要怪就怪他们自己政府。
@@jxmai7687 東歐這些人，就是窮逼裝大爺
I know Litoměřice well
160km SGR is as fast as African trains ! ...LoL
I don't like these trains. On railway station they look so strange and unfriendly along other trains. I don't use them.🤷♀
Dont worry they are not in service at the moment!
@@Simon-Andersen Hopefully never will. Along other trains they looks like black death. And I dont mean the music band. 🤨
The trains look very narrow
Camera angle
Sort of cut-price Stadler then. You get what you pay for, apparently.
Why is it that Chinese trains are great in China but absolute crap abroad?
I think they mostly try to compete with other European manufacturers on price, and as a result, you end up with a low-cost product.
They aren’t great in Chyna.
that's not true. There are also some problems in China. It is only forbidden in China to publish such negative news. That could damage the image in China.
You should try our new Chinese built high speed train in Jakarta. It is as good as those in China. I suppose you get what you paid for in Europe.
@@andreher6422
They are running a 45k km high speed rail network that runs all over their vast country. I am a regular commuter on these trains whenever I visit. One word to describe the whole system. Mind-blowing.
same time in russia they have highspeed trains :D
Operating only between Moscow and St. Petersburg.
You never heard of the high-speed network in Europe?