HOW TO BUILD A FAST TWIN TURBO N54!! OUR FASTEST YET
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- HOW TO BUILD A FAST TWIN TURBO N54: OUR FASTEST YET!
This is part 1 in a series that will come out over the next 2 weeks as the work is done to the car. I really hope it shows what can be done on this platform and help avoid people falling in to the trap i have before of doing certain mods twice because i did the wrong one the first time.
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Following along as I just paid off my 2016 535i m sport. Now I can start to modify it with my wife's blessings so let's do this. West palm beach florida needs a fast n54. Right now it's got 54000 miles on it I just replaced all of the switches and door rubbers. Now I'm planning on watching more videos in order to get the transmission ready for what it's about to be asked to handle. Thanks for these videos it really helps..
Got a mhd stage 1 on it!! Charge pipe and muffler and high flow res!! It was misfiring when I got the stage 1 but got new coils and spark plugs and
It’s running great
I want to chuck an N54 in my e46 compact…this series is really going to help with the engine setup that I know I don’t need but I really want 😅
This series shoud go gang busters for the channel, really looking forward to it. Was about this time last year the E92 build was in full swing too, this should be just as good if not better! 💯 💪
Instead of doing things up see
Looking forward to your choice of turbos for this build. Good series, keen to see it unfold 👌💯
What you say about misinformation on this platform hugely resonates with me. In the UK there are no true technical specialists for this engine and having battled a boost oscillation issue for three years (still on going) I have consistently come up against random diagnosis with no logical data driven approach. See many forum threads which follow similar paths unfortunately. Makes the platform extremely tough to own in the UK if you’re technical. Going to join the channel to find some brains 😂
I’m U.K. based buddy
Thank you so much for this series. I just completed my N54 with 17t turbo's complete overhaul and am excited to get tips from this series. I will list all the mods I did soon. I too am having weird shifting issues but have not flashed any trans tunes yet.
I love technical and I love this channel! I've completed a substantial refresh of my N54 135i over the last 12 months, mostly following the "rules". I totally enjoy this platform, despite the occasional inherent annoyances. There's certainly a lot more I need to learn as far as dialing in power, performance and reliability. Totally looking forward to this build series!
He’ll yeah! Thanks for following along.
Will be a good project. My e92 (prior design widebody) is an all rounder maybe a little more focused on circuit suspension and setup wise however, on street tyres (AD08Rs)it ran 10.7@131mph. Pure stg2s / 6AT. Full weight , leather luxury gapping machine mode.
That was a tuning run for flex at lower boost than I run now and almost no timing. It should pull a mid 10 now on the better tyres (Kumho V70A or my Nitto N555R drag radials) same full weight trim. Happy to help contribute if I can 👍
what supporting mods are you running for that kind of setup?
@@jackrmu long list😄 widebody prior design e92, pure stg2 hiflows, motive port injection ,Ai6 controller, stg3 fuel pump setup with new lines, adjustable fuel reg, motive flexfuel module, TFT intake, Nizpro custom intercooler, charge pipe with Tial Bov, baffled sump, STETT stg2 oil cooler, Nizpro built zf auto with billet internals, custom trans cooler, Mfactory billet axles, Quaife lsd, Defiv diff lock down, M3 suspension bits , AST4150 coilovers, AR line lock kit, stock coils and there is more ....😄 car is setup to go round corners but, goes ok in a straight line too.
You are a most value for N54 community. Congrats for this new project.
Thanks for the kind words man.
Start of this year I started playing with N54 powered cars
Ive built a e92 335i AT for a customer
Basic spec list
2” inlets
2” outlets
BMS DCI’s
Vargas GC 2.0 turbos
3” charge pipes
7” stepped race cooler
Updated charge pipe plus dual BOV
2 step colder plugs
3” DP’s
PI 700cc
Methanol
Stage 3 LPFP
New OE HPFP
JB4 with custom MHD tune bef 29psi peak tapering to 25psi at redline
Hitting the dyno this weekend coming I’m hoping for 600+
And my own personal car atm is MHD stg2+ E92 335i 6MT
5” stepped cooler
3” DP’s
1 step colder plugs
Pro ram 4” DCI’s into stock inlets
Chargpipe tial bov
Also hitting dyno this weekend.
No E85 in the U.K. so just straight 99oct with around 5% ethanol plus Meth
So hyped for this build to start! the E90 is going to be an absolute weapon.
Love the channel and when you both explain the technical aspects. I was afraid you'll do one fast n54 build, and then move forward to other engines... - glad this isn't the case!
I love the N54, but will absolutely entertain other builds in the future. However there will always be 1 or 2 N54s lurking
@@ZeroTo60Tube I'm interested in the B58. Would like an m240i or M2C in the future.
Awesome series , I've got a tuned n54 just bought stage 2 mhd maps have all the mods car runs great after alot of time an maintenance. The more info I can get the better. Cheers for sharing your knowledge.
I’ve been so looking forward to this series guys. I’m on my second N54 (just picked up a E91 335i cheap). Really interesting to see how this car goes when it’s done.
Thanks man, just been a bit of nightmare getting all the parts together. Wanted to do it all in one hit instead of spread out over a few months
I’m hyped that you guys are doing this cuz I have a o7 335xi w 86k!! Got it for a steal.and planning on building it!! Supporting from Canada!! Payed 8k
For it
I just Dragy 100-200 with mine on 91oct. 7.48s valid with 200kg balast and Manual Transmission. Super happy 😄 as I know there is .2s to improve by better shift.
What is the setup on yours?
@@ZeroTo60Tube GTX3584RS PI and LSD with twin disc. 2nd map rev. from Wedge at 23psi. About 600hp+ crank today. E60 and 25psi was 789hp but Dragy from that tomorrow. Need Ethanol 😅
Currently running VIV 17t’s, mmp relocated inlets, vrsf outlets, downpipes and chargepipe, psp Intercooler, single walbro 450 w/PR upgraded fuel line, motive flex module and a pfs POD. Other minor upgrades too suspension stuff new clutch and what not. Current dragy time is 7.65 60-130 and 6.59 100-200. Full weight 6mt 135i on a very safe tune. Wouldn’t say conservative because it is a 26psi but my tuner gave me the option of running more timing for a kill tune and I declined. Already fast enough for my use of it. Car has 177k miles on it, 17t’s have 27k miles with no issues
did you get them balanced before install?
One tip around 1/4 mile stuff ; get your technique and setup sorted at low power(even as it is) so you can cut a great 60ft (not 0-100). You then optimise 1/8th and full pass. Tweak and then up the power, rinse and repeat. Tecnique takes time for muscle memory , so changes that effect what your car does (power /tyres/chassis) will need adjustment to your timing. First pass off the trailer with kill mode active will simply see you have a very frustrating night too. You enjoy the night alot more when passes improve, plan for this , it happens. If you do like 90% of folk, no plan for the night, its a fluke you cant repeat. Obviously, real motorsport contains this sort of planning, so simply take the same mindset and you have a better time(pun) This goes for burnout/optimsed heated tyre pressure. Watching your efforts so far ,there is big upside here. Your drag radial approach has alot of upside , you arent yet doing that right. 1.6/1.5s await.👍
Wise words.
Looking forward to the progress! Last week I just ran a personal best 7.29 100-200km/h on my stock turbos at 23psi N54 335i. I've made a little thread on Spoolstreet about the build.
Mega for stock turbos. Two things I’m curious. Is the car fuel weight? And how did you measure the time?
Sweet! I too love these fees so much. Ur passion for them is nice itsbgrewt to hear someone else love these cars so much. I think some day they will be legendary like the Supra.
Keep the content coming; next spring hopefully I can share my full bolt on and upgraded turbos numbers with you.
I do 0-100 in 4s and 100 - 200 in 8.9s with my Z4 E89 429PS. SPECS: custom tune, DCT with XHP Stage 3, Stock turbos, wagner evo performance intercooler, catless downpipes, alu chargepipe, DCI, Rs6 blow off valves, high & low side OCC, 102 Ron fuel. Rear Tyres 265 Ps4s. Running 17.5PSI and dropping to 15 at redline. Looking at upgrading my turbos soon, probably going for RB GF's or hydra performance Hp800. These are the only true Td04 turbos.
I like how specific this channel has become to the N54 platform. Ik yous focus on more just straight-line speed and times but do yous ever see yourselves getting a manual N54?
I love mine and wouldn’t change it for anything in the world, and recently just put DAW s2+ turbos and it feels incredible.
I guess it comes down to being a very easy metric to put on video with out much dispute. Manual N54s are also super super rare here.
Check out the RB GF turbos. They are enough to trap mid 130s mph
Love watching you guys. Just got all my Vrsf bolt ones in the mail. Can’t wait to get them on. And you guys Mae me exited to do it
This should be a great series of videos to watch Andrew. It will be interesting to watch the performance gains as you add to the mod list.
My transmission shift funny too!! I think it’s what your talking about!! But it only does it when it’s cold
But I usually tend to let get warm up
Count me in guys! Personally I want to go only to apr. 420 crank Hp. I cleaned the intake ports. And now I need index 12 injectors. My car is still on index 5. But that's a big amound of money for me. 6 index 12 injectors go for about €2100 here in Holland. For that money I could have bought downpipes, a bigger intercooler, a dragy, and a full MHD license🤷♂️. So I have to save money after the #12 injector change. Dutch regards, Nico.
Awesome! I knew this was coming and I'm so very glad it's happening now! Good luck guys and I hope it goes as well as it possibly can! I'll be watching!!
Awesome to have you hear watching along sir!
Can't wait to see more. I'm going to max out the stock turbos on mine and focus on cooling and handling mods on the 135i. IDK how the N54 135i came in AUS but the 2008 135i I have is the most basic one. 6MT with no packages and runflat 205/50/17 Tires. On a 6MT Open diff twin turbo I6. You wanna try hooking that setup correctly? Lol
So much love for this channel, keep it up boy's 🥰
Thanks man!
I have to admit your car really surprised me and woke me up to the platform that is actually a good platform wich I mean as far as bmw goes you would like to expect.. but then my car isn't the average grocery getter either 😉👌 if I was gonna build one I'd do dedicated e85 and a big single but im a sucker for a big single car especially with some c02
I've installed the brand new reinforced 19Ts V3s from VIV last month and I'm loving them.
how are they holding up?
@@6mtcruiser still running, no issues
@@abelucious glad to hear, how many miles? did u balance or adjust wastegates before install?
@@6mtcruiser about 6000 miles , no they don’t need adjustment, plug n play
I love your accuracy man. I’m from Germany and that’s how you do it.😄
My current set up is also E10 mix but only Stage 1 wit DP. Because we pay at least 1,60€/L and more power wouldn’t make sense because of 0*C temp outside.
I run a 100-200kp/h in about 10s but I only recorded the speedometer. I had no rear seats etc so -50 kg (I measured it). I think realistic that would be around 11,5-12,5 sec.
I just got my flow max + tuned on my e90 right now pure E85 and port injection 34psi I must say holy freaking torque in 3rd gear 3k rpms it will smoke the living hell out of the rear tires and 4th chirps
Let’s see some draggy numbers
@@ZeroTo60Tube coming up soon! We had to lower the boost too 27 psi because on the 4-5 shift it would flare up really bad. Newer trans with 70k all seals done and still it simply cannot hold the power the flows make, but regardless I’m going too do a 60(mph) too 120 for some data and I’ll report back
Love the vids, makes me wish I still had my N54 1M, would love to see some B58 development one day. Cheers
@J B haha yeah it sucked having to sell it, but I now have a car I can use freely and not be paranoid about resale or putting Kms on it or stressing about what's happening to it while it's parked. Would have kept it if I had a bigger shed.
@@olo606 you never truly owned the car if you were worrying about all that 😂
Let's go! I can't wait to see how you go with this series as I'd most likely do the mods you recommend. I'm more interested in 0-60 times as I had a FG FPV F6 and loved had that pulled.
By pulled you mean fried the tyres off until 4th :p god damn Barra’s :p
@@TheMultiDouche lmao do true! Wasn't the fastest 0-100 but gee it was fun getting there
13:00, is that the Aura roundabout near Caloundra? I used to live very nearby! I also have an N54 in 135i guise, not too many of us here in QLD!
Interesting, my stage 1+ E90 with only an intake got a 4.43 0-60 MPH draggy time last year.
Going FBO now, I'll keep posted on stage 2+ times but winter is coming here in the mid west!.
I've ran a 12.5 in the 1/4 into 30mph wind. I still have cats, stage 3 xhp tune, stage 1+ mhd tune, bc coilovers. However I tend to do autocross more than drag racing. I also have upgraded rear shock mounts. 170000 miles on the odometer. Still have plenty to get caught up on with maintenence. But it drives daily and runs good.
Love the content guys! Keep up the amazing work! Tons of us following you.
My BMW 2007 335i E93 FBO
Appreciate it!
👀 I’ve recorded my 0-100 time through the ecu recently and have managed a 3.9. Whether the ecu is slightly lazy I don’t really know but feels ok.
And I feel you on the transmission issues hahaha
Although ecu times are better than nothing. The ecu runs off the cars calculated road speed. They are generally quite a bit quicker times than a dragy or vbox. Worth the investment in dragy if you are genuinely interesting in dialing your car in. You won’t get enough accuracy through the ecu. Especially if you have wheel slip.
Seeing you talk about n54s hypes me about mine haha. FBO coming soon!
💪💪💪💪
I would love to see this with new VTT's to keep it named VTT car.
I have a set I need to install myself. They are VTT stage 1's with the same mods as your car.
Great work mate, this is literally The channel for N54 tuning, it's always interesting to see you try different setups to improve performance. Sub 5. 5 sec 100-200k would be crazy fast 👌
My Stock turbos on the way out, got the dreaded siren/whine, just a matter of time before they die lol.
But for the money, there was literally nothing that comes close, performance/power wise.
Would love to see a manual N54 series 🤞
Hmmmmmmm not gonna lie, they are my least fav box. But I need one in my life.
First mod should be swap the paddle wires over to delete the push function and have them operate like normal left hand down shift right hand up shift.
I really don’t like them either. I’ll probably switch to lci paddles I think.
Yep or something like Nelson Billet aluminium racing paddles 😉
We stopped flashing the aplina tune to trans in our shop because we were seeing non stop slipping out of power, trans adaptions shot up through the roof so now we only install xhp or just leave it also make sure to update your map as well when switching to xhp for the shift points
Interesting. It does shift too early on low load. For sure. But this trans is a not right. It’s better with alpina, better again in sports mode. So my guess it’s oil bleeding out from seals or sticky solenoids
Propulsive Dynamics clutches possibly?
Hopefully not.
Great series coming up. Whats happening to the legend oh really?
Believe it or not this build was planned before we blew up ohhrly. It’s been a bizarre year with how long everything has taken, but it’s giving a chance to save up for ohhrly.
The Australian car community needs more enthusiasts like yourself. The amount of bullshit and emotionally driven opinion holds it back. Data and facts rule. Keep it up 👍
Thanks dude. It’s shame because it holds a lot of peoples cars back.
hey guys, would you consider a video on your experiences with the XHP settings and what you've noticed and come across. Guess it could be combined with 6hp and DCT. also if any data related to dragy from the adjustments perhaps. thanks.
I will touch on how I feel they should be setup and why in the next vid. But my goal is always to complete the shift and get the power back on fully in the next gear as quick as possible le
What are you thoughts on frankenturbos? I have a new set and I’m waiting for my shop to be built before I swap.
Picked up a 2008 coupe 335i, silver on red. It’s not white like I wanted but personally I like the silver. She has upgraded chargepipe with DV’s and DCI. Just ordered inlets and outlets, plan on getting the 7.5” VRSF Competition FMIC (not the race because I definitely am not running anything crazy), a stage 2 or 2.5 so I can run a good mix of e85, and to complete the engine, downpipes! Also want to get the poly bushings for the subframe and better transmission/diff mounts. Along with the M3 11 piece control arm kit from FCP euro. Can’t wait to be making a healthy 420-460 hp, but I’m not really about the drivetrain and how much it can handle and for how long before needing to upgrade. Plan on doing transmission for sure in the future. What kind of lsd or lsd conversion would you guys recommend if I were to do one?
Nice bro cant go wrong w red interior. Got one white on red love the car
@@Hashbrown2169 Absolutely love it!
Do a 5 series !☺
Damn it.
Like the channel a lot and you have helped me with some of my issues I recently ran a 8.08 60 to 130 2013 335is E93 I feel I should faster my car has inlets and outlets flow max not the plus I have port injection stage 3 dual lpfp mfactory lsd mfactory light flywheel full 2.5 exhaust xhp stage 3 also have meth bpm4 fuel pump controller I would like to get your help
Feel free to throw any questions in a new comment. I will generally get to them in a few days. However if you want one on one contact consider becoming a zeroto60 g
@@ZeroTo60Tube definitely interested in some help especially with xhp setting what did you mean by becoming a zeroto60 G ?
I’m doin a build on my 07 335i coupe still trynna decide what turbos thoo
Do 8hp swap on this one we need someone to do it and document it!
Build that bottom end! Low 10s is def pushing that stock motor on twins
Anything over like 600 is probably pushing it on twins on stock bottom end without a really good tune
What about a b58. Those engine are running
Quickly hopping over to auto trader to have a look at BMWs 😂
🤣
This week be a great series to follow. Could you consider adding mph metrics for us Muricans? I think 60-130 is a more widely used metric as well and is hard to convert a 100-200 accurately to a 60-130. Wtf is a kilometer? 😜
haha, yes yes, i will try and do that in the future.
All right lads time to build something fast.. when is the barra swap happening? 😝😂
Vargas car always had lci headlights or did i miss a video 😁? I've got a jsr tuned 17t e90 with a 100-200 at 6.77s.
No no. It actually got hit in the front. These were put on at the repairer. Pair of second hand lci instead of a new pre lci.
Love your style !!! Can't wait to watch and learn about the n54 ... I have a n55 what are your thoughts on the m135i pwg ??
They have potential. A zeroto60 member form NZ has one with a hybrid core and it’s a beast.
@@AH-007-75 thanks for the info I didn't know that the bottom end is foraged on the pwg cars first I heard . Also thanks for the advice .my car is running a stage 1 bm3 tune with bms intake only . What would be the next mod to do ???
@@AH-007-75 so .... you think intercollegiate next ? Or downpipe?? Also any particular brand ??
Intercooler"
@@AH-007-75 how many kms on yoirs ?? Any issues brother ?? I'm located in Australia i have had a lot of late models vag cars golf r / s3 .. m135i is a good car but I think as a package price golf r is a better car ..
So what going to happen to the Dct car?
Single turbo. Built motor. But will take time.
My Plan for my M-Sport Manual E90 335i is RB One’s, 7.5” intercooler, Inlets,outlets, Lpfp upgrade. And maintenance ! Just want something that will take the abuse I like to dish out
hope someday you crack pass the 1000hp mark on this platform
17t car…… in the next 12 months……. Not with 17ts
Have you ever heard of putting the 335d transmission into the 335i?
Yep. Well the 6hp28 anyway. Done a lot of reading on it. Yet to see a fast one. But I suspect they are coming. If I was gonna do an auto swap I think I’d do a zf8 so I could get a transbrake.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Yeah I had heard it could hold more torque than the stock trans and thought it would be a simpler swap than anything else. However there's not too much testing on it so I'm looking forward to see how that progresses
@@maxamillioncorrea6002 Yeah absolutely will be a stronger trans but not a faster one.... unless they manage some smart logic for launching. The zf6hp21 (stock trans) is getting better and better with xHP updates in regards to what abuse it will take before the clutches start slipping.
Excited for the new build! What turbos are you guys going to choose?
Flow max plus. Basically the best ones we felt for large size and power capability vs cost. They won’t be the best for everyone.
yay the first today
Where is the link to the brakes though??
m.gzwantian.com damn, contact deets at the top, hit them up on WhatsApp this is direct as you can get. See what deals they have coming up and they will customise to suit what you want.
You are so lucky you can get e85 at the pump 😀
What’s the fastest the cars done 100-200?
This not very quickly. Over 10 seconds was it’s fastest when we were playing with e mixes back in March.
Put the MMP 1k turbos in it
What spark plugs do you have in it?
It’s currently got 1 step colder ngk gapped to .020” or 0.018”, I can’t quite remember what I gapped them to tbh
Also how do I become a member?
Link in the description 🙏
I have 123k miles on original turbos pushing 22 lbs peak and it scares me when you say yours make 16 lbs but you’re only 70 horsepower below me
Go back to the stock intake box instead of the dual cones, and drop a high-flow filter in it. Watch your IATs drop big time! Dual cones are the biggest waste of money...
The air temps are already really hot when it goes thru the hot side turbo wont make a difference
I like to think my draggy times speak for themselves. But incase you can't work it out the stock air box is slower on our cars. I have 5 stock air boxes here and 2 or 3 high flow filters. Stock air box is slower on the draggy. I have a theory on why some people think the stock air boxes are better. But we have done back to back tests many times from lightly tuned cars up to RB turbo equiped car and the more power you make the bigger the issue is with the stock air box. 1M air box is slightly better than a normal one, but i'd still run DCIs. Remember you can have IAT's in the negatives and it wont matter if you can't get enough air in there to make power.
Hey is there a link for the bbk
m.gzwantian.com damn, contact deets at the top, hit them up on WhatsApp this is direct as you can get. See what deals they have coming up and they will customise to suit what you want.
Do you know of an active forum on the webs for the n54?
N54tech and spoolstreet are my go to’s
You didn't put brake link kit
m.gzwantian.com
damn, contact deets at the top, hit them up on WhatsApp this is direct as you can get. See what deals they have coming up and they will customise to suit what you want.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks
First
Just wondering who is tuning this one
Ken, since he become a zeroto60 ‘g’ he’s been itching to make one of our cars fast. This should be a fun little project with the OG N54 tuner woot woot
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah sweet.
andrew how good is a vrsf 3.5 inch turbo back exhaust and vrsf intercooler are they good for hp?
Yes they're both good parts
Yep absolutely good for anything we have planned. The 7.5 inch cooler that is.
The 3.5 inch exhaust sits quite low, so just be aware of that. I have a modified version of the COBB exhaust. It’s 3 inch, I believe.
n54 or 2jz?
N54, but a quick 2j just costs too much money at the mo. I love how nice and smooth a high power N54 as well. Where a 2j with 700hp is generally quite a lumpy motor
Zf8 swap it
This channel will ruin me. Tomorrow my n54 335is is going into a workshop for Pure St 2 turbos, M4 flywheel and Walbro 450 LPFP. There goes another 4000 Euros, but who cares - I'm in love with the N54 as well ;)
And remind me: Should I worry about breaking my drive shafts? Would a diff brace help prevent that?
If it breaks then upgrade otherwise leave em
Diff brace will definitely help. A strong LSD will help break the axles. The cars seem ok wiht open diffs. But just be ready for it. You will break axles when you start making good power. On the same note, until you are running port injection with decent ethanol content you wont be making enough torque to snap axles.
i hope u can avoid the Ethaonal gas into making power on this car, just because the E isnt aval around the world.
No no, ethanol with the way to go with these. If you have access. Meth cars seem a fair bit slower from my experience.
@@ZeroTo60Tube drop the compression . To 9.2 or less
@@ram00sa00 no no no, its madness not to make use of e85. Especially on a twin turbo setup. We need that higher comp to make use of efficiency and lower (sub 30psi) boost levels.
@@ZeroTo60Tube well the reason why I said . Is because e85 is only available as x98 racing fuel. Which cost 100USD per 5 gallons
@@ram00sa00 I totally get why you might if you can't get pump e85. But for us its a no brainer to use the pump e85.
Dct swap later on
Not in this one. Kinda want it to work from a dig
Waiting in anticipation, should be wicked. We love you too bro ❤️😜
FIRST lol
Looking forward to this build. I’ve kind of been missing the build content, so bring it and send it! ✌️
Me too! Man this has been a strange year for parts and trying to organise stuff
Awesome!