The knowledge and understanding that Rupert possess, which is ignored by main streamscience is really mindblowing. These videos has really changed my way of understanding reality, i've watched so many of them i'm starting to hear thoughts in Ruperts voice
I think I got it too ! It’s just like the dream paradigm ! Just as mind becomes everything in a dream . Right now consciousness has become everything in the waking world !
So profound and as ever, brilliantly explained. And yes, I agree wholeheartedly, humanity is not doing so well with the matter paradigm, as we all can see. Time for the world to awaken
Same here! It inspired me to want to paint it. I just locked onto the image whilst listening and had a beautiful “Aha!”💞 This man’s teaching can really clear out cobwebs in the mind.
thanks for pointing that out. It is a surreal image that appears in many circumstance when discussing awareness. The black background of course signifies deep sleep or pure spirit. The white vase holding the beautiful flowers signifies the purity of life's beauty and the impossible reflected colors in the water signify our own awareness informing awareness of the experience.
Thanks for pointing that out. No doubt you mean a deflected ray which by it's appearance only in our mind, could never be actually verified by the observer unless he were to get outside of his own mind. Could you do that? Your speculation is noted however.
@@russellfeecrouch6136 Wow... Typical desperate spiritual seeker arrogance. Alright, I guess there's always one :) Look, I don't know how you got to this point, but you're in way too deep, my dude. Pro tip: find the courage to be brutally honest with yourself. Like, read your comments out loud while looking in the mirror and ask yourself whether you're describing absolute reality or if just being full of sh*t right now. And be open to the latter, which you'll find to be the case. Don't get offended, just trust me on this; make being consciously honest with yourself a habit and come back to this in about a year. Unless you're severely damaged you'll be having a laugh come December '21, I promise. Merry Christmas and good luck :)
I love love love this!. You may have to play it over and over again to understand, but if you look at your own experience, you will see that this is true! Thank you Rupert Spira!. I'm am aware!!!
A really tough concept to wrap your head around. Far better to meditate to a point where it becomes an observation of your awareness. But, the first step is to destroy the false notion. Being taught by Rupert that the way we are seeing and believing is the product of a mass belief system, helps to clean the slate, and start anew. His help is invaluable.
The "materialist" paradigm vs. the "Consciousness" paradigm and their alternate impact on the future of humanity - love it! Non-Duality is more than individual spiritual liberation, but truly the science of human existence. The socio-political ramifications, alone, are worthy of academic research by universities across the globe. But, I wonder if it's an either/or scenario? I wonder if there might develop a transitional or interim paradigm that will be more accessible to the masses.
The arguments are specious. Of course when we talk of "matter," it is a shorthand notation of certain sort of experiences we have. In that sense, we do experience "matter." There is nothing to be gained by the distinction. What is useful is that each of of us has a mechanism for interpreting reality - that is a flexible thing that we can mold and warp (to some extent) to our desire. That give power.
He is a nice breath of fresh air that counters some of the nonsense in this latest tourist destination. I just wish he didn't charge so much for retreats and his books and talks only through his site. Each to their own. Saints Are Hard Find. Its Difficult To Find God Without
@Floyd, I tell you why. It might all be a dream, but(!) the experience of the nail going through your finger is going to feel real to you. Same as experience in a dream feel real. Or do you come up with the idea of nailing through your fingers in your dreams? Never happens to me not even in my lucid dreams. 😄😘
@@edzardpiltz6348 For me I have nonlinear dreams where I could conceivably not feel any pain. This lets me know that this level of reality has something different going on! Life is like a dream in terms of experience but not quite as lucid. It is also where the rules harden a bit. This most people’s perspective. This is all so interesting!
“A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there's no discernible difference. Life and death are unquantifiable abstracts. Why should I be concerned?” Dr Manhattan
What imposes resistance to me is that “ matter is not real” - Could it be said instead that matter is an “aspect of reality” - a more “ dense aspect of consciousness- instead of the total negation of it? Kindly, please help me to grasp this matter! Thank you!
he has not negated it. It exists, but forms out of consciousness, in it. Modern physics realizes that matter is formed out of excitation s of a quantum field, which is not a substance in the usual sense, it cannot be grasped, felt etc. Only thing added here is that that basic field is self aware - the purest form of self awareness which does not need to have any personal memories, perceptions, feelings to be aware of...matter forms out of consciousness, and then our bodies etc, and then comes a consciousness that bound to personal image etc, i.e.; the mind. That is how i understand it
Rupert your heart is in the right place, in your body! There is no reality beyond body... The body is sitting on that chair, please, suffering is real, poverty, war, and on and on! There is no consciousness outside the body! Visit a hospital or a home for old people, I worked in them, I know! I was with my mum when she died, consciousness vanished with the body! Matter is the biggest part of our experience.
I didn't recognize my grandfather when he had passed away because indeed, the consciousness/soul had left the body. But because you've seen the essence disappear from a loved ones' body is not enough to absolutely state that there is no reality beyond body. Reality doesn't work that way. Life/consciousness operates on many levels, of which the physical realm is the lowest. You only base your statement on that physical realm. The physical realm is only conceptual. You don't know on that level, you only believe. Did the love for your mother also vanish at the moment of her passing? That's the place where you have to put your attention.
optizap The definition of matter is a substance that occupies physical space. Matter as it is understood is composed of particles with size and weight. Matter is understood as being there, also when not perceived. What you describe is not matter, but that which quantum physics describes as waves, more precisely probability waves. These waves are dependent on the perceiver and thus confirm a reality of consciousness instead of matter. Believing what other (smart) people like Einstein say/said instead of your own experience keeps you in the realm of concepts/belief. Einstein was very smart, but you don't need to be able to do complicated calculations to know reality. Knowing reality is simple. Actually it is the most simple "thing" in existence. Creating theories about reality is complication and actually takes you further away from reality.
The root of the word matter means to measure. So, from that perspective, is our being strictly a matter of measuring what is, or is there something to the direct experience of perception itself? That is something you can check on and investigate for yourself. The perspective of non-duality may seem deep and even complex, but that is only because its utmost simplicity is not evident by way of occlusion and we begin to apprehend the layers of concepts and tangents of thoughts we find ourselves immersed in. When you consider that awareness is not measurement and that it permeates all experiences, as wetness does water, then you may realize that it has "nowhere to go". Having nowhere to go, where would it come from? Whereas, the patterns of experience change, come, go, appear, vanish. Does that negate the experience of them? Would any "experience" be possible if their were no dynamic involved? If everything came, but did not change or "go", then we might be living in one dense block of "stuff" as static as a Universe-sized boulder. in the case of the ceaseless change, when you contemplate that the "body" as you are thinking of it in relation to "matter" its components, (cells, atoms, sub-atomic particles) are never still, in fact, there is a tumult of motion, in that sense. If that body exists, then a definition of existence is in order. Let's say that an object should be permanent, self-contained and self-sustaining in order to actually "exist". To investigate that yourself, do you find that the body or your collection of thoughts and ideas of yourself and others actually fit that criteria? Does matter itself fit that criteria or are you experiencing a slow-motion, stripped down view of it that is functional and useful, but nonetheless an appearance of solidity and stability? After all, time is very useful to keep everything from happening at once, yet it is merely a measurement and relative. Non-duality can be approached basically and simply as I said, but being all-inclusive, vast and luminous, investigation into these matters is also possible and maybe useful in order to glean insight and illuminate our understanding.
I am wondering how manifestation relates to this since there is really no matter can one control consciousness in order to produce what appears to be manifesting in the illusory world such as money, relationships, etc?
What about animals? Are they precipitations too? My animal companions seem real to me. Are they precipitations of focused consciousness? Do they reincarnate? My cat just died and I want to know what she was/is and what happened to her. Thanks
Well if I was able to ask a question I would want to delve into the existence of physical pain. Many people experience it on a daily basis with chronic conditions and I don't think it would be productive to try to talk somebody out of their Pain by saying it is an aspect of your consciousness. Yet it is entirely subjective. Doctors will tell you the level of pain of one patient is completely different than another. Unquantifiable as much as they might try. Psychic pain on the other hand such as might lead a person to suicide is a whole nother thing.
Thomas Romlin i guess that is a choice, i.e. you [not you personally, Tom] can see the world from a material perspective and act accordingly [as a separate individual driven by fear and desire, in competition with others like you and with the matter] or look at it from a non-dualistic point of view where you and all there is are One and doing is replaced by happening. But here's the thing- you cannot be matter bound and think non-duality at the same time, i.e. matter is only a projection of the mind and such it doesn't exist in reality... now let's mine the Arctic before the Russians do it...
How can we say with confidence that the nature of evil could not be a qualitatively different consciousness in “some way” and on this level of experience also? I do experience awareness as a primal force that all else appears in and out of. However, I also experience life with an intuition about a difference in the life forces (not forms) encountered. There seems to be a marked difference on the felt consciousness level of different people as typically confirmed by observed acts of harm to human beings in some way. And why does the infinite consciousness warn us? Theses are very interesting and mysterious ideas to consider.
Because without clothes we get cold, without food we get hungry. There is such a thing as common sense. And as long as the body is there, it is subject to the laws of physics. I don't deny those things. They are there, but they are there relative to consciousness. Concepts are very useful and even necessary for many things. But what i'm saying is that we create those concepts. They don't exist out of their own. We give the label 'body' to a certain part of our perception, yet our experience only is the knowing of perception (and thoughts/emotions). As Rupert pointed out in another clip: concepts are not a problem, absolutely believing in concepts is a problem. If you don't see that this is a problem, fine. That however doesn't change the fact that absolutely believing in concepts is the root of all problems and therefore the suffering that comes with that.
Sydebern i try to put non-dualism to an imaginary test [a real one would be really undesirable]: how would 'enlightenment' survive the circumstances of a concentration camp or other 'survival' circumstances, when the scarcity of food, clothing and other basic human necessities pushes the human psyche to extremes, changing people from 'homo to lupus'. The true test in these situations would be dealing with a consciousness that precipitates into the everlasting misery of a body-mind ridden by the pain of the flesh and suffering of the mind. Perhaps the individual suffering would be easier to take if if wasn't for the agonizing transformation of others around. It would seem to me that a truly 'enlightened ' individual in these circumstances would not have a chance to survive and wouldn't even care about it but i wonder how would he/she take the suffering of those body-minds while denying their reality and abiding in awareness...
Rupert is spot on again. Humanity can’t survive materialistically. Marxism. The worlds deadliest belief, is founded on materialism. Historical materialism. Matter first, then consciousness as it is described
You are not a drop in the Ocean, You are the Ocean in a Drop. Rumi. To deny the Individual is to deny the Universal. Its the Joy of the Universal to manifest Matter and for Consciousness to precipitate Individuals.
Sebastian Taeggi From my observation,Bernado is to Rupert Spira what Peter Joseph is to Jacques Fresco.(Zeitgeist vs The Venus Project). There is an *emerging,unstoppable* new wave of human consciousness in progress. i have read/watched the works of many...From Ra Un Nefer Amen to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to Deepak Chopra to Chogyam Trungpa and countless others. If you listen carefully *these guys are all saying the same thing!!*..."The Human Race cannot survive Materialism". That's why in our darkest hour consciousness 'sends' an expression to wake us up. I may not be alive in this form to see the transformation but i have all confidence it will happen.Once the "Idea" gets implanted there's no stopping it!!.....Peace...
Sebastian Taeggi it's amazing how simply talking about our direct experience in a simple way is the cutting edge of our experience and part of a paradigm shift. I mean this genuinely.
Solipsism is defined as the Self is all that can be known to exist, but if the Self is God, then perhaps Self is being improperly defined as a finite mind rather than the infinite One being. I feel like that’s the reason people begin to be confused. “I am” is the name of all beings
Exactly. To the mind that is extremely frustrating and terrifying. To awareness that is joy, true freedom and wonderful in the true meaning of that word.
Actually no! If we would live in a world of matter we would never know how we got here and how life came about. But by knowing yourself as consciousness it's actually quite clear: you dreamed it all up! Our how else do you create the world and the bodys in your personal dreams? 😘
mind can't get this...no....time is minds idea of eternity ......consciousness gets this...all that is gets this....the mind will only flip flop...the instant I cease trying to get the mind to contain it...mind rests...... I get as Micheal Singer say It is we who have asked the mind to do what it cannot do...it is us who assigned it this task...mind is innocent...it's just about relying on thought as opposed to infinite intelligence/love Kay La
While not commenting on the veracity of the content, the reasoning is flawed. Subjective consciousness - finite minds - are what we ascribe to collections of sensory phenomena to explain them. We see a mouth moving. We hear words. We string them together and the phenomenon of 'someone speaking' is experienced. But we don't observe 'someone'. We see a mouth moving. We hear words. We perceive speech. The finite mind we hypothesize as being behind the speech is an attribution of cause; in the same way a force is a conceptualization of the relationship between two moving objects colliding and changing each other's behavior. Neither can be observed, except as a causal attribution. We may not observe mass, either. But we attribute mass to the body, in the same way we attribute mind to people, as an explanatory concept, an attribution of cause. It is simply how the finite mind receives, processes, and represents information. "In order to experience matter, we would have to find something outside the mind." In order to experience another mind, we would have to find something outside the mind as well. It is wholly possible that many finite minds exist. It is also wholly possible that they each perceive the same phenomena from many different angles, and colored by their individual structures. But there is nothing to suggest that it is so.
Okay, so if there is no "body" and it's just "an image appearing in consciousness", then please explain how one image (let's call it "Susan") can appear as female, white skinned, short, overweight, bulbous nose and thinning hair? How does this image sustain itself to appear that way in Susan's mirror and in the opinion of EVERYONE who meets and recognises "Susan"? Everyone will agree that she is "Susan" by her appearance. Anyone seeing a full length "photograph" of Susan will agree that it is indeed "Susan". Who or what determined how Susan's image manifested itself, with those particular physical characteristics, and appeared to her and others in the first place?
Put that way, it makes mental sense... Not trying too detract, but we live iseparate abodes... Which give to the natural embodiment, expressive drives, sexual, possive and fidelty... How do we fit non duality into the bedroom......
But the thing is that non-duality is impossible within the mental 'realm'. You can only go so far in mental/intellectual "understanding", which is actually only conceptual knowledge. At a certain point, one has to let go of the urge to understand and just be. It is only then that real spontaneous understanding can come. But true understanding cannot be grasped, you cannot hold onto it. In other words: you cannot put it into memory and retrieve it from there at a later time. It is not a question of 'how do we fit non-duality into such and such', because a 'person' trying to accomplish 'something' already is duality. The person cannot do anything, because the person is just a thought. How can a thought do anything? If there is a true yearning for non-duality, one has to transcend the person. There is no way around it. By the way, you can reply to specific posts. That makes it a bit less cluttered and more clear to read. ;)
***** Yes, that black hole seems to be the same "thing" as what we call 'deep sleep', which is that where thought can not go. Too bad McKenna focussed so much on phenomenal things like entities, worlds, etc. The 'black hole', that which seems to be aware of even consciousness seems to me where IT is at.
Sydebern "But true understanding cannot be grasped, you cannot hold onto it. In other words: you cannot put it into memory and retrieve it from there at a later time." I like that.
With respect, Solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's mind IS SURE to exist. The existence of an external world is regarded as an unresolvable question rather than actually false. There’s more to this if you care to look at it without bias. You inherited this wrong ideas from Francis L .
So is he saying that. If you have a living working healthy body. Then and only then can you create something from it. Kind of like the biocentrism belief
The more I listen to Spira, the more my head hurts and the more confused I become and the more questions I’m left with. To argue that his whole convoluted theory of reality is self evident and experiential is really not true. I don’t have a problem with the concept of non duality, it’s the level that Spira takes it to to explain everything and with such certainty. I feel like he’s overreaching much of the time
SO CONSCIOUSNESS AND AWARENESS IS OUR EVERLASTING EXPERIENCE THAT WE CARRY WITH US, ALIVE OR DEAD. BUT HOW CAN WE EXPLAIN THAT MATTER DOES NOT EXIST WHEN WE HAVE A BODY THAT HAS TO EAT, GO TO WORK, EXERCISE, TALK, RELATE TO OUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, ETC; ISN'T THAT NECESSARY MATERIALISM?
I mean yeah, he said also in another talk that "birth" never happened, and I still don't understand why matter only appears in the finite mind, I mean we have guts and all so...
The experience of the body feels real and it is a real experience however the nature of it is not.The only reality is awarenss which has been localized to the body-mind.The same goes with children-its like you are watching a film on Tv where the actors feel themselves as real and they are also having children that the experience of it feels real in the film,however the only reality there is,is the screen where everything is projected on.
@@musicisthelanguageofthecos8266 I think the screen analogy is severely lacking as a screen in a cinema in an empty inert thing which you are not meant to focus on, it you watch a movie and concentrate on the screen then you’ve really missed the pojnt
That is understandable. One could say that the body is given a very deep pocket of change in duality, though. In order to emphasize awareness, it might seem that the body is de-emphasized. However, that can come full circle when you realize or experience awareness as the entire spectrum of experiences that awareness encounters and then view the body as a constriction of that entirety or a temporary structure of being. We could say that body and mind are a tight mesh of experience itself within awareness without deprecating either or casting them as only dualistic in nature. It is really the nature of our own experience that then determines if the body and intellect are merely secondary to something or integral and holistic in a reflexive sense. With rest and relaxation into the body mind itself, what does your experience reveal to you, especially if you find yourself free of labeling it and thinking about it? One requires comparisons in order to emphasize one aspect over another and non-duality points to direct experience itself in an all-inclusive light, which you are right now. That leaves you to explore the nature of relationships in a general way where an emptiness of concepts opens into a very spontaneous essence and a unity that is beyond an idea of oneness. Excuse me for being so detailed in responding to that. Simply, the body is a perfect manifestation of pure mind, just as it is and the patterns of beliefs and concepts about it are what determine the relative experience of it. With keen investigation into that and an open mind, it virtually deconstructs itself into pure awareness and a total presence that is definitely experienced leaving no doubt.
Matter cannot exist for two reasons. On the macro level the universe is suspended in infinite space. The universe would have to have come from nothing. On the micro-level the smallest particle must always be made of something. And even if that something would ever be found it would have to have come from nothing. There is only one condition known to man where something is created from nothing and that is a dream.
"What happens to a running engine when it stops? The running engine has simply drawn to itself from the illusion of having been a non running dead engine. The reality is actually the running engine. We need to stop our old habit of looking at a dead engine being the actual essential element to be there for a running alive engine to exist". Is it getting thick in here or what? :)
Dear Rupert, I have been happily enjoying many of your talks here. Now, for the first time I disagree with you on the point you said "Solipsism is madness". Actually the whole universe with its all living and non-living objects is a creation of our mind - according to Advaita Philosophy. I really believe you approve Advaita Philosophy (Ramana Maharshi, Nissarga Datta, etc). It means my world is a projection of my mind. If this being the fact, then each and every individual I come across in my life should be illusory creations / images of my mind; right?. And this is the true non-duality (Advaita). Non-duality clearly says by realising ones true nature, by attaining enlightenment one understands that everything experienced in the world is consiousness and what exists is only awareness. Now, if your argument of billions of localisations (finite minds) were right, then how can the other localisations be images in my finite mind? and how will an individual (finite mind) disappear if he dies (the image vanishes) from my mind as he is a separate localisation and hence has independent existence from me? Kindly correct me if I am wrong or misunderstood you!
Nope, sorry,this just sounds delusional to me. Of course the material body exists. Matter exists. The material world exists and we are in it. Try jumping out of an aeroplane without a parachute and saying “everything will be fine, matter is an illusion, the concrete ground doesn’t really exist “ 🤷🏼♂️ This kind of thinking is pure nonsense.
The knowledge and understanding that Rupert possess, which is ignored by main streamscience is really mindblowing. These videos has really changed my way of understanding reality, i've watched so many of them i'm starting to hear thoughts in Ruperts voice
I think I got it too ! It’s just like the dream paradigm ! Just as mind becomes everything in a dream . Right now consciousness has become everything in the waking world !
A very difficult concept, but so well expained by the greatest mentor in the subject.❤❤❤
So profound and as ever, brilliantly explained. And yes, I agree wholeheartedly, humanity is not doing so well with the matter paradigm, as we all can see. Time for the world to awaken
Wow! I think I’ve got it too. But I need to write it down because my small mind keeps flipping back. Rupert is amazing, such a gifted teacher 🙏
Loving that mirrored reflection through that glass of water. It's like unintentional art :)
Same here! It inspired me to want to paint it. I just locked onto the image whilst listening and had a beautiful “Aha!”💞 This man’s teaching can really clear out cobwebs in the mind.
thanks for pointing that out. It is a surreal image that appears in many circumstance when discussing awareness. The black background of course signifies deep sleep or pure spirit. The white vase holding the beautiful flowers signifies the purity of life's beauty and the impossible reflected colors in the water signify our own awareness informing awareness of the experience.
@@russellfeecrouch6136 It's actually just a phenomenon called refraction :)
Thanks for pointing that out. No doubt you mean a deflected ray which by it's appearance only in our mind, could never be actually verified by the observer unless he were to get outside of his own mind. Could you do that? Your speculation is noted however.
@@russellfeecrouch6136 Wow... Typical desperate spiritual seeker arrogance. Alright, I guess there's always one :) Look, I don't know how you got to this point, but you're in way too deep, my dude. Pro tip: find the courage to be brutally honest with yourself. Like, read your comments out loud while looking in the mirror and ask yourself whether you're describing absolute reality or if just being full of sh*t right now. And be open to the latter, which you'll find to be the case. Don't get offended, just trust me on this; make being consciously honest with yourself a habit and come back to this in about a year. Unless you're severely damaged you'll be having a laugh come December '21, I promise. Merry Christmas and good luck :)
Dude, you blow my mind all the time.
Stay awesome, Rupert !
Om.
I like that he almost always has flower next to him ❤️
I love love love this!. You may have to play it over and over again to understand, but if you look at your own experience, you will see that this is true! Thank you Rupert Spira!. I'm am aware!!!
Aware -n- Connected yes I am downloading it
The questioner deserves appreciation
Thank you Rupert! Thank you so much!
A really tough concept to wrap your head around. Far better to meditate to a point where it becomes an observation of your awareness. But, the first step is to destroy the false notion. Being taught by Rupert that the way we are seeing and believing is the product of a mass belief system, helps to clean the slate, and start anew. His help is invaluable.
The "materialist" paradigm vs. the "Consciousness" paradigm and their alternate impact on the future of humanity - love it! Non-Duality is more than individual spiritual liberation, but truly the science of human existence. The socio-political ramifications, alone, are worthy of academic research by universities across the globe. But, I wonder if it's an either/or scenario? I wonder if there might develop a transitional or interim paradigm that will be more accessible to the masses.
The arguments are specious. Of course when we talk of "matter," it is a shorthand notation of certain sort of experiences we have. In that sense, we do experience "matter." There is nothing to be gained by the distinction.
What is useful is that each of of us has a mechanism for interpreting reality - that is a flexible thing that we can mold and warp (to some extent) to our desire. That give power.
Incredible 😉 Thank you Rupert, Great 2021 Blessings!
He is a nice breath of fresh air that counters some of the nonsense in this latest tourist destination. I just wish he didn't charge so much for retreats and his books and talks only through his site.
Each to their own.
Saints Are Hard Find.
Its Difficult To Find God Without
Thank you, Rupert. I feel such deep gratitude to you. 🙏
Truly Love Rupert 💗 immense respect
Wow, fantastic. Thanks Rupert.
Oh my God! I had slipped over into coming from solipsism! Thank you so much for the clarification. I get it!
Brilliant explanation of idealism - subbed!
Dreams appear real while you are in them ... So it is with this world.
good one :)
@Floyd, I tell you why. It might all be a dream, but(!) the experience of the nail going through your finger is going to feel real to you. Same as experience in a dream feel real. Or do you come up with the idea of nailing through your fingers in your dreams? Never happens to me not even in my lucid dreams. 😄😘
@@edzardpiltz6348 For me I have nonlinear dreams where I could conceivably not feel any pain. This lets me know that this level of reality has something different going on! Life is like a dream in terms of experience but not quite as lucid. It is also where the rules harden a bit. This most people’s perspective. This is all so interesting!
@@tarzenelivingston809 It feels more "real" and stronger because it is a collectiv dream where everybody is in.
I think I got it too, but just after playing the video back 10 times.
“A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there's no discernible difference. Life and death are unquantifiable abstracts. Why should I be concerned?”
Dr Manhattan
And care wether he’s naked lololo
extraordinary teaching, excellent ! thanks.
Beautiful
WHEN I AM IN MEDITATION I AM MORE ME THAN RATHER OPENING MY EYES TO LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND ME
What imposes resistance to me is that “ matter is not real” - Could it be said instead that matter is an “aspect of reality” - a more “ dense aspect of consciousness- instead of the total negation of it? Kindly, please help me to grasp this matter! Thank you!
he has not negated it. It exists, but forms out of consciousness, in it. Modern physics realizes that matter is formed out of excitation s of a quantum field, which is not a substance in the usual sense, it cannot be grasped, felt etc. Only thing added here is that that basic field is self aware - the purest form of self awareness which does not need to have any personal memories, perceptions, feelings to be aware of...matter forms out of consciousness, and then our bodies etc, and then comes a consciousness that bound to personal image etc, i.e.; the mind. That is how i understand it
Rupert your heart is in the right place, in your body! There is no reality beyond body... The body is sitting on that chair, please, suffering is real, poverty, war, and on and on! There is no consciousness outside the body! Visit a hospital or a home for old people, I worked in them, I know! I was with my mum when she died, consciousness vanished with the body! Matter is the biggest part of our experience.
I didn't recognize my grandfather when he had passed away because indeed, the consciousness/soul had left the body. But because you've seen the essence disappear from a loved ones' body is not enough to absolutely state that there is no reality beyond body. Reality doesn't work that way. Life/consciousness operates on many levels, of which the physical realm is the lowest. You only base your statement on that physical realm. The physical realm is only conceptual. You don't know on that level, you only believe.
Did the love for your mother also vanish at the moment of her passing? That's the place where you have to put your attention.
Matter is energy vibrating that is just physics. Ask Einstein.
optizap The definition of matter is a substance that occupies physical space. Matter as it is understood is composed of particles with size and weight. Matter is understood as being there, also when not perceived.
What you describe is not matter, but that which quantum physics describes as waves, more precisely probability waves. These waves are dependent on the perceiver and thus confirm a reality of consciousness instead of matter.
Believing what other (smart) people like Einstein say/said instead of your own experience keeps you in the realm of concepts/belief. Einstein was very smart, but you don't need to be able to do complicated calculations to know reality. Knowing reality is simple. Actually it is the most simple "thing" in existence. Creating theories about reality is complication and actually takes you further away from reality.
Sydebern You want direct experience. Burn some wood - no belief required.
The root of the word matter means to measure. So, from that perspective, is our being strictly a matter of measuring what is, or is there something to the direct experience of perception itself? That is something you can check on and investigate for yourself.
The perspective of non-duality may seem deep and even complex, but that is only because its utmost simplicity is not evident by way of occlusion and we begin to apprehend the layers of concepts and tangents of thoughts we find ourselves immersed in.
When you consider that awareness is not measurement and that it permeates all experiences, as wetness does water, then you may realize that it has "nowhere to go". Having nowhere to go, where would it come from? Whereas, the patterns of experience change, come, go, appear, vanish. Does that negate the experience of them? Would any "experience" be possible if their were no dynamic involved? If everything came, but did not change or "go", then we might be living in one dense block of "stuff" as static as a Universe-sized boulder.
in the case of the ceaseless change, when you contemplate that the "body" as you are thinking of it in relation to "matter" its components, (cells, atoms, sub-atomic particles) are never still, in fact, there is a tumult of motion, in that sense. If that body exists, then a definition of existence is in order. Let's say that an object should be permanent, self-contained and self-sustaining in order to actually "exist". To investigate that yourself, do you find that the body or your collection of thoughts and ideas of yourself and others actually fit that criteria? Does matter itself fit that criteria or are you experiencing a slow-motion, stripped down view of it that is functional and useful, but nonetheless an appearance of solidity and stability? After all, time is very useful to keep everything from happening at once, yet it is merely a measurement and relative.
Non-duality can be approached basically and simply as I said, but being all-inclusive, vast and luminous, investigation into these matters is also possible and maybe useful in order to glean insight and illuminate our understanding.
perfect Rupert Talk as usual...
By George, I think she`s GOT it!!
I am wondering how manifestation relates to this since there is really no matter can one control consciousness in order to produce what appears to be manifesting in the illusory world such as money, relationships, etc?
What about animals? Are they precipitations too? My animal companions seem real to me. Are they precipitations of focused consciousness? Do they reincarnate? My cat just died and I want to know what she was/is and what happened to her. Thanks
Well if I was able to ask a question I would want to delve into the existence of physical pain. Many people experience it on a daily basis with chronic conditions and I don't think it would be productive to try to talk somebody out of their Pain by saying it is an aspect of your consciousness. Yet it is entirely subjective. Doctors will tell you the level of pain of one patient is completely different than another. Unquantifiable as much as they might try. Psychic pain on the other hand such as might lead a person to suicide is a whole nother thing.
I didn't get it: what is the difference between dead body and alive person in consciousness?
simple...but totally opposite what we were taught...
Sooo cute! 😍 and direct👍
Can't see how something that not is can destroy itself, materialism.
Thomas Romlin i guess that is a choice, i.e. you [not you personally, Tom] can see the world from a material perspective and act accordingly [as a separate individual driven by fear and desire, in competition with others like you and with the matter] or look at it from a non-dualistic point of view where you and all there is are One and doing is replaced by happening. But here's the thing- you cannot be matter bound and think non-duality at the same time, i.e. matter is only a projection of the mind and such it doesn't exist in reality... now let's mine the Arctic before the Russians do it...
Dan eM (y)
How can we say with confidence that the nature of evil could not be a qualitatively different consciousness in “some way” and on this level of experience also? I do experience awareness as a primal force that all else appears in and out of. However, I also experience life with an intuition about a difference in the life forces (not forms) encountered. There seems to be a marked difference on the felt consciousness level of different people as typically confirmed by observed acts of harm to human beings in some way. And why does the infinite consciousness warn us? Theses are very interesting and mysterious ideas to consider.
So what is the solution to materialism? How can materialism prevail and even exist if matter doesn't exist. I am so lost here.
If the physical realm is only conceptual, why do wear clothes, eat, lastly, live in separate houses (homes)?
Because without clothes we get cold, without food we get hungry. There is such a thing as common sense. And as long as the body is there, it is subject to the laws of physics.
I don't deny those things. They are there, but they are there relative to consciousness. Concepts are very useful and even necessary for many things. But what i'm saying is that we create those concepts. They don't exist out of their own. We give the label 'body' to a certain part of our perception, yet our experience only is the knowing of perception (and thoughts/emotions). As Rupert pointed out in another clip: concepts are not a problem, absolutely believing in concepts is a problem. If you don't see that this is a problem, fine. That however doesn't change the fact that absolutely believing in concepts is the root of all problems and therefore the suffering that comes with that.
Sydebern i try to put non-dualism to an imaginary test [a real one would be really undesirable]: how would 'enlightenment' survive the circumstances of a concentration camp or other 'survival' circumstances, when the scarcity of food, clothing and other basic human necessities pushes the human psyche to extremes, changing people from 'homo to lupus'.
The true test in these situations would be dealing with a consciousness that precipitates into the everlasting misery of a body-mind ridden by the pain of the flesh and suffering of the mind. Perhaps the individual suffering would be easier to take if if wasn't for the agonizing transformation of others around. It would seem to me that a truly 'enlightened ' individual in these circumstances would not have a chance to survive and wouldn't even care about it but i wonder how would he/she take the suffering of those body-minds while denying their reality and abiding in awareness...
Rupert is spot on again. Humanity can’t survive materialistically.
Marxism. The worlds deadliest belief, is founded on materialism. Historical materialism. Matter first, then consciousness as it is described
@Syntax troll
@Syntax This is pretty funny.
So what makes me a jew?
wait dont tell me...is it because Im good with money? XD
Try existing without food.
You are not a drop in the Ocean, You are the Ocean in a Drop. Rumi. To deny the Individual is to deny the Universal. Its the Joy of the Universal to manifest Matter and for Consciousness to precipitate Individuals.
Yaaaawwwwwn... :)
THE PHYSICAL WORLD IS ALL AN ILLUSION
Rupert and Bernardo (Kastrup) speak the same language.
This is the cutting edge in the upcoming paradigm shift!
I looked up Bernardo. Good stuff. Thanks.
I just finished his "Why materialism is baloney" and I highly recommend it.
His next book will have an intro by Rupert Spira, by the way ;)
Sebastian Taeggi From my observation,Bernado is to Rupert Spira what Peter Joseph is to Jacques Fresco.(Zeitgeist vs The Venus Project). There is an *emerging,unstoppable* new wave of human consciousness in progress. i have read/watched the works of many...From Ra Un Nefer Amen to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to Deepak Chopra to Chogyam Trungpa and countless others.
If you listen carefully *these guys are all saying the same thing!!*..."The Human Race cannot survive Materialism". That's why in our darkest hour consciousness 'sends' an expression to wake us up.
I may not be alive in this form to see the transformation but i have all confidence it will happen.Once the "Idea" gets implanted there's no stopping it!!.....Peace...
Sebastian Taeggi it's amazing how simply talking about our direct experience in a simple way is the cutting edge of our experience and part of a paradigm shift. I mean this genuinely.
+Floyd oh yeah I've seen Rupert going around in his overly expensive Bentley living in a Mansion. The guy is a millionaire haha
Solipsism is defined as the Self is all that can be known to exist, but if the Self is God, then perhaps Self is being improperly defined as a finite mind rather than the infinite One being.
I feel like that’s the reason people begin to be confused. “I am” is the name of all beings
So it's a Virtual Reality...and we are to never know where, when, how, why and what created it
Exactly. To the mind that is extremely frustrating and terrifying. To awareness that is joy, true freedom and wonderful in the true meaning of that word.
Actually no! If we would live in a world of matter we would never know how we got here and how life came about. But by knowing yourself as consciousness it's actually quite clear: you dreamed it all up! Our how else do you create the world and the bodys in your personal dreams? 😘
So one could say we actually are living in a simulation? Created by a field of consiusness?
None duality is amazing!
Disputation is endless and futile,
All that we are and all that we seem, is but a dream within a dream.
mind can't get this...no....time is minds idea of eternity ......consciousness gets this...all that is gets this....the mind will only flip flop...the instant I cease trying to get the mind to contain it...mind rests...... I get as Micheal Singer say It is we who have asked the mind to do what it cannot do...it is us who assigned it this task...mind is innocent...it's just about relying on thought as opposed to infinite intelligence/love Kay La
While not commenting on the veracity of the content, the reasoning is flawed. Subjective consciousness - finite minds - are what we ascribe to collections of sensory phenomena to explain them.
We see a mouth moving. We hear words. We string them together and the phenomenon of 'someone speaking' is experienced. But we don't observe 'someone'. We see a mouth moving. We hear words. We perceive speech. The finite mind we hypothesize as being behind the speech is an attribution of cause; in the same way a force is a conceptualization of the relationship between two moving objects colliding and changing each other's behavior. Neither can be observed, except as a causal attribution.
We may not observe mass, either. But we attribute mass to the body, in the same way we attribute mind to people, as an explanatory concept, an attribution of cause. It is simply how the finite mind receives, processes, and represents information.
"In order to experience matter, we would have to find something outside the mind." In order to experience another mind, we would have to find something outside the mind as well.
It is wholly possible that many finite minds exist. It is also wholly possible that they each perceive the same phenomena from many different angles, and colored by their individual structures. But there is nothing to suggest that it is so.
I did already, hé said or was spooky action at à distance... particle or wave? Wé obsserve with physical eyes????
10 out of 10!
I guess I don't understand.
Okay, so if there is no "body" and it's just "an image appearing in consciousness", then please explain how one image (let's call it "Susan") can appear as female, white skinned, short, overweight, bulbous nose and thinning hair? How does this image sustain itself to appear that way in Susan's mirror and in the opinion of EVERYONE who meets and recognises "Susan"? Everyone will agree that she is "Susan" by her appearance. Anyone seeing a full length "photograph" of Susan will agree that it is indeed "Susan". Who or what determined how Susan's image manifested itself, with those particular physical characteristics, and appeared to her and others in the first place?
because everyone see same
Im so confused
If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter.
Put that way, it makes mental sense... Not trying too detract, but we live iseparate abodes... Which give to the natural embodiment, expressive drives, sexual, possive and fidelty... How do we fit non duality into the bedroom......
But the thing is that non-duality is impossible within the mental 'realm'. You can only go so far in mental/intellectual "understanding", which is actually only conceptual knowledge. At a certain point, one has to let go of the urge to understand and just be. It is only then that real spontaneous understanding can come. But true understanding cannot be grasped, you cannot hold onto it. In other words: you cannot put it into memory and retrieve it from there at a later time.
It is not a question of 'how do we fit non-duality into such and such', because a 'person' trying to accomplish 'something' already is duality. The person cannot do anything, because the person is just a thought. How can a thought do anything? If there is a true yearning for non-duality, one has to transcend the person. There is no way around it.
By the way, you can reply to specific posts. That makes it a bit less cluttered and more clear to read. ;)
***** Yes, that black hole seems to be the same "thing" as what we call 'deep sleep', which is that where thought can not go. Too bad McKenna focussed so much on phenomenal things like entities, worlds, etc. The 'black hole', that which seems to be aware of even consciousness seems to me where IT is at.
Sydebern "But true understanding cannot be grasped, you cannot hold onto it. In other words: you cannot put it into memory and retrieve it from there at a later time."
I like that.
Difficult to digest... ramana maharishi the great saint who started who am i inquiry says different 😑😑
With respect, Solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's mind IS SURE to exist.
The existence of an external world is regarded as an unresolvable question rather than actually false. There’s more to this if you care to look at it without bias. You inherited this wrong ideas from Francis L .
So is he saying that. If you have a living working healthy body. Then and only then can you create something from it. Kind of like the biocentrism belief
+JohnSupra Your body appears in consciousness, a healthy body appears only in mind, it does not exist independently.
Son_0f McDemon proof that the body appears in CONSCIOUSNESS? rather than CONSCIOUSNESS appear in your brain?
Check your experience..
Son_0f McDemon in my experience, I am in a body. and there is no other experience
Really, what is telling you that you are in a body? Is it in your experience or is that a thought?
Driving a car at 100 mph against a wall will convince you there is an outside world, bricks are hard whether you believe in matter or not.
The more I listen to Spira, the more my head hurts and the more confused I become and the more questions I’m left with. To argue that his whole convoluted theory of reality is self evident and experiential is really not true. I don’t have a problem with the concept of non duality, it’s the level that Spira takes it to to explain everything and with such certainty. I feel like he’s overreaching much of the time
Wow, humanity can’t survive the materialist paradigm 🤯
SO CONSCIOUSNESS AND AWARENESS IS OUR EVERLASTING EXPERIENCE THAT WE CARRY WITH US, ALIVE OR DEAD. BUT HOW CAN WE EXPLAIN THAT MATTER DOES NOT EXIST WHEN WE HAVE A BODY THAT HAS TO EAT, GO TO WORK, EXERCISE, TALK, RELATE TO OUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, ETC; ISN'T THAT NECESSARY MATERIALISM?
Read the answer to one coment above yours 😊
If the body is not real, how do we have children?
I mean yeah, he said also in another talk that "birth" never happened, and I still don't understand why matter only appears in the finite mind, I mean we have guts and all so...
The experience of the body feels real and it is a real experience however the nature of it is not.The only reality is awarenss which has been localized to the body-mind.The same goes with children-its like you are watching a film on Tv where the actors feel themselves as real and they are also having children that the experience of it feels real in the film,however the only reality there is,is the screen where everything is projected on.
@@musicisthelanguageofthecos8266 I think the screen analogy is severely lacking as a screen in a cinema in an empty inert thing which you are not meant to focus on, it you watch a movie and concentrate on the screen then you’ve really missed the pojnt
Rupert should have a microphone on his hand, drop it and leave the room at the end of every talk.
Does anyone know what Rupert’s view of the Nothing Happens might be? ...please...
It just seems to me that the body is given short change in non-duality teaching? :-)
That is understandable. One could say that the body is given a very deep pocket of change in duality, though.
In order to emphasize awareness, it might seem that the body is de-emphasized. However, that can come full circle when you realize or experience awareness as the entire spectrum of experiences that awareness encounters and then view the body as a constriction of that entirety or a temporary structure of being. We could say that body and mind are a tight mesh of experience itself within awareness without deprecating either or casting them as only dualistic in nature. It is really the nature of our own experience that then determines if the body and intellect are merely secondary to something or integral and holistic in a reflexive sense.
With rest and relaxation into the body mind itself, what does your experience reveal to you, especially if you find yourself free of labeling it and thinking about it? One requires comparisons in order to emphasize one aspect over another and non-duality points to direct experience itself in an all-inclusive light, which you are right now. That leaves you to explore the nature of relationships in a general way where an emptiness of concepts opens into a very spontaneous essence and a unity that is beyond an idea of oneness.
Excuse me for being so detailed in responding to that. Simply, the body is a perfect manifestation of pure mind, just as it is and the patterns of beliefs and concepts about it are what determine the relative experience of it. With keen investigation into that and an open mind, it virtually deconstructs itself into pure awareness and a total presence that is definitely experienced leaving no doubt.
Matter cannot exist for two reasons. On the macro level the universe is suspended in infinite space. The universe would have to have come from nothing. On the micro-level the smallest particle must always be made of something. And even if that something would ever be found it would have to have come from nothing. There is only one condition known to man where something is created from nothing and that is a dream.
That makes sense! :-)
How should humanity destroy itself in a non-material-time-and- spaceless world, Rupert?
Just wow.
if you haven't got a mind, it doesn't matter
Excellent
Two dangerous types of people that could end civilisation, 1. A materialist 2. A fundamentalist
First time in all my years of listening to him am I disappointed with this response from him....
maybe because you don't understand?
Not what you wanted to hear?
"What happens to a running engine when it stops?
The running engine has simply drawn to itself from the illusion of having been a non running dead engine. The reality is actually the running engine. We need to stop our old habit of looking at a dead engine being the actual essential element to be there for a running alive engine to exist". Is it getting thick in here or what? :)
It seems as though that's how it is.
But consider the Higgs Field or Double slit experiment.
At the height of your own mental madness you come to the conclusion that nothing really exists and that you are God.
Yup! Makes sense 🤪🙄
Dear Rupert,
I have been happily enjoying many of your talks here. Now, for the first time I disagree with you on the point you said "Solipsism is madness". Actually the whole universe with its all living and non-living objects is a creation of our mind - according to Advaita Philosophy. I really believe you approve Advaita Philosophy (Ramana Maharshi, Nissarga Datta, etc). It means my world is a projection of my mind. If this being the fact, then each and every individual I come across in my life should be illusory creations / images of my mind; right?. And this is the true non-duality (Advaita).
Non-duality clearly says by realising ones true nature, by attaining enlightenment one understands that everything experienced in the world is consiousness and what exists is only awareness.
Now, if your argument of billions of localisations (finite minds) were right, then how can the other localisations be images in my finite mind? and how will an individual (finite mind) disappear if he dies (the image vanishes) from my mind as he is a separate localisation and hence has independent existence from me?
Kindly correct me if I am wrong or misunderstood you!
he says only finite mind.. and advaita is saying about infinite mind and we are illusion of infinite mind
speak louder and clearer i guess. I cant hear you that well..
Nope, sorry,this just sounds delusional to me. Of course the material body exists. Matter exists. The material world exists and we are in it. Try jumping out of an aeroplane without a parachute and saying “everything will be fine, matter is an illusion, the concrete ground doesn’t really exist “ 🤷🏼♂️ This kind of thinking is pure nonsense.
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