It's Not Enough to Discover What You Are Not: Rupert Spira
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2020
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Rupert Spira in conversation with the audience at SAND18 US
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It's "When the journey to GOD ends, the journey in GOD begins" - Rupert Spira 🙏
This is so powerful. Thank you 🙏
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It's a wonderful old Sufi quote.
@@vintagepearlguitars thank you
Even the "journey to God" is a journey in God
His response to the black guy in the middle is such a beautiful explanation. I can't even fathom the depth & simplicity it takes to put universal consciousness into like understanding
What do you mean like understanding?
30:30
Combat veteran here.
I lost myself for a long time especially in Afghanistan.
I've caught glimpses but the fog of war veiled by eyes.
It's been almost ten years and I'm finally coming home.
Love and blessings.
Namaste
Celebrate Dear Brother that you are coming home. Bowing in gratitude for your service. War will veil any heart, for it is not our superlative state of being....
“When the journey to God and, the journey in God begins” how beautiful and poignant
Yes ! Beautiful .. no more searching, because it has been found in you
I thought the exact same thing.
High Priestess:" When the journey to God ends, the journey in God begins ". Yes endeed
"Stop thinking of achievement of any kind. You are complete here and now, you need absolutely nothing." (Nisargadatta Maharaj)
Love says: I will save all the forgotten.
Duh, we need absolutely nothing, . We don't need food, LMSAO. What is god? How do you define the word god? This guy is so full of s**t, Lol...tee hee hee
@@mardishores4016 God is beyond your comprehension
Be more gentle ... Absolute Love is real and it is our Creator
@@mardishores4016 " We need to all, be engaged in the service of God [KRSNA], with heart, mind & body. God is: Sat-Chit-Ananda. [:took it up}. He is consciousness (chaitanya): the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Source! How's that for a definition of "God"?
"God" is in His Name. Hare Krishna
@@mardishores4016 Not on the level of the body of course but on the psychological and spiritual levels. You no longer need the egoically driven quest for attention, approval, fame, love or psychological and emotional security. You become a true adult for a start :)
"When the journey to God ends the journey in God begins."
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I understand your comment. But how do I get to that point...how do I end the "journey to God"?????
@@sherlilooi4565 i won't pretend to have the answer for you. I have had peak experiences of knowing but they fade like dreams. My rational mind gets in the way. My meditation practice has helped. I suggest a practice if you don't already have one.
She does not want us to hide the Truth from the rest.
When the journey to True Love ends, the journey in True Love begins.
That means no God is more powerful than True Love.
That means a little flower can stand up to a God in the name of True Love, in honoring her divine Glory and Beauty, if the God is out of alignment with True Love.
If we do not all live under the Law of Love, the Law of the Creator, what is the freedom for.
What about those who are asleep? Who saves them? Not those who manifest, they did not save me, they save themselves.
I was in darkness and in need of Light and it was only True Friendship that was able to pull me out of the deepest black hole I was in.
And taught me to make Light from Darkness.
To not fear any Man nor God. For it is only One who must fear.
The one who is not in line with the laws of True Love and takes Her riches for Himself instead of share with the ignorant and weak.
With those who are forgotten.
@Dean Mitchell any suggestions how to connect this with one’s every day choices and actions? I feel at peace when I’m home and resting in awareness but cannot integrate this with chores etc
@Dean Mitchell much gratitude for your reply. I suspect (99.9% sure) my separate self is fighting for its life. Turmoil inside me at times is unbearable. Another issue I question what am I turning into concepts if at all. Impatience abounds. Running away from present moment to get relief. Avoid inquiries for a day. Pushed back the next day with urgency. I look at urgency because it’s already here (effortless awareness) but I see that I want to be in control. My timeline. Want to relax enjoy nature , enjoy my time left yet the relentless drive to inquire. I want to feel like one does when they are floating in the ocean. The water is supporting you. I suspect this is how one feels when there is no longer a separate self. Do not have this trust with the Universe, Source, God. But this seems to be the key action. Trust. At times it seems it’s not that hard to surrender. Working on opening my heart mind coherence. Great having one way conversation with some who understands my wording. Many blessings. Don’t feel obligated to reply.
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I like this: If awareness is aware of the “ultimate light” then awareness is the ultímate reality. There is nothing beyond awareness, therefore you will never be able to use words to describe that which is aware of being aware, because “that” is beyond all words !
I believe that self-awareness taking me on the journey of self-love is the ultimate reality, then I can become one with consciousness which is the ultimate light.
"Say it again?"
Thus shall you think of this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream, A flash of lightning in a summer cloud, A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream.
Rupert was so patient with the guy bringing the word salad lol
He was glad to, to take another question and get away from, the guy who thought that, He is God. And thinks that: He already knows everything. Patience is a virtue.
I cringed for a bit and thought - YIKES!! WHO LET KANYE IN??
@@dasaanudasi I think he was equally glad to take the question after the next.
Too many psychedelics is my guess.
@@soccer2themax My exact thought, lol.
The evidence is always love! I can’t help but to love that. It makes me happy! His lectures are a true gift to this generation.
This is my second time viewing this and have to say it’s one of the best RS videos I’ve ever seen. This s partially because of R’s clarity and partly because he comes up against some classic pushback on his teaching, including some Big Egos trying to proclaim their “enlightenment” or deep understanding.
What a blessing this man is. Thank you so much. explained so clearly
A beautiful answer to the lady at 11 minutes.
A perfect demonstration of the teaching.
"Thoughts don't know anything, they are known by awareness". That's useful.
It is easier to see who you are than to see a gooseberry in the palm of your hand. Ramana Maharishi
Thank you so much for this gift of clearness🙏
Was neverdrawn srtrongly to Ruperts expression in the past but here he seems to be so direct and sharp very clear pointing
I think he always was nice
Thank you Rupert as a guru you take us too the mountain and over the bridge onto the mountain we are blessed with your teachings and guided paintings ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Rupert is not a guru. He himself has said he is not a guru💖
Nisargadutta, Ramana Maharshi and Acharya are teaching the Upanishads in the condensed form. You have absolute clarity. Thanks a lot.
So interesting. Thank you Rupert and all. 😊❤
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25:54: That was the last question Rupert asked his teacher.
28:24: Relief cannot be found in any experience.
1:03:10: The finite mind is like a filter for the awareness
Thank you! What a lovely way for my awareness to start the day.
@Dean Mitchell We have a personal relationship with that awareness; which is personified. This is the missing point of humanity.
Thank you, Rupert; here you make it quite clear that 'AWARENESS of absence' is your experience.
Reinhard Jung: Thank You for remembering and sharing That.
I understood it now. 🙏
20:16 “And it’s not necessary to shut down all your programs in your computer in order to recognize the nature of the screen.”
35:53 “How far have I been? I’ve been nowhere and I’m afraid I haven’t even take a single step. I’m such a beginner. I haven’t take a single step away from myself.”
51:29 “Ask that awareness, the very simple experience of being aware: Do I, awareness, have any knowledge of any limit in myself?”...
“...What is the evidence for that? I would suggest it is love.”
The evidence of an indivisible awareness shared by all sentient beings is Love. What a beautiful and poignant way to end a beautiful and poignant conversation! And I will also "go with" it, lol.
bingo.... Radha/Shyam
Thank you very grateful for your guidance
It’s not enough to know who you are not ... when you come into restored wholeness of self then it’s time you can know and be who you are and continue to move forward in that
Excellent clear speaking of Awareness! is similar to Elkhart Tolle teaching! Enlightenment! Consciousness, everybody has it, but different level of consciousness,,, we all are ONE consciousness, Rumi says: we ALL are organs of same body, we All have same essence originated from Source
Thank you for this incredible clarity.
Extraordinary conversation! Materialists struggles to understand the non-dual way is the best way to illustrate the (apparent( dichotomy between the two ways of perception.
Something you said just cracked my world view. thanks rupert
Thank you 🙏🏻 💕
Thank You
Rupert, the bearer of good news.
Lol...when Rupert answered that he's been absolutely nowhere, I laughed out loud as I had an idea that's what answer he would give. Hahaha
One must be on guard when delving into spiritual truth. Its very easy to make it complicated and thus turn it into something very strange. The non dual teaching is quite simple.
❤superb Rupert!!
Thank you ❤
Malaysia
He's leaving a lot out of this discussion but I appreciate his honesty.
Until one is aware objects are consciousness, one will be obsessed with "inwardness" the subject separate from the object
The state we call Realization is simply being one's self, not knowing anything or becoming anything. Ramana Maharshi
The conversation around 28:34 are pretty powerful teachings.
My experience is that one doesn't have to sleep to experience the subtle mind or the deep sleep mind/causal mind. The mind is fluctuating between this states of minds during waking hours, but usually one is not aware of that.
When I'm mindful, the mind is in the state of being awake. When thoughts and feelings take us away into into the imaginary abstract, intellectual concepts or emotional dwellings, we are experience the dream state.
The deep sleep state/causal mind is being absorbent in awareness itself, no stimulus through objects are needed to feel complete satisfied, content and being fulfilled with what is.
With meditation, one can be more aware of this mind states and enabling more awareness of this states also during daily life.
Yes. All enthralling thoughts and emotions are… daydreams
I don't know who He is: but I will tell you and I know. He is in cosmic consciousness. A state of self-liberation. There are even higher states of consciousness. He is on it!
I don't know who you are but you don't seem to realise that All are in cosmic consciousness not only Rupert! There is nothing outside of consciousness is what he is trying to say 🙂
reporting about how well one slept has been used many times to argue for the presence of awareness, in the sense that one was aware of deep-sleep, but I find this a bit non-rational, because the value judgement is not made like that, when someone asks me if I slept well, I am not recalling vague awareness into memory and give an answer based on that, no.. I just check on myself at the very moment to see: if I am sleepy, do I feel well, do I feel refreshed? if yes, then "I slept well", it no, then "no, I did not sleep well".
"I don't know" is not an option because I have access to my current state, I can always check and see if I am sleepy and refreshed, once awake.
So I find this line of reasoning flawed... its been used so many times by different teachers, as if its a bulletproof argument, but its simply not.
thats because its really a question that asks did you sleep continously sleeping badly would be ,not being able to sleep
I agree with you on this. But i have heard a better analogy from Rupert regarding this. It goes like this: When we are in deep sleep we are not aweare of mind, body and world. And if an alarm clock ring durring deep sleep we wake up and mind, body and world apears. So in absence of mind, body and world there was something present prior to alarm clock to notice the alarm.
Awareness can stand alone without limited mind. But limited mind cant stand alone without awareness. Awareness is ever present reality. Nothingness, emptyness, awareness is deeep sleep and the fact that our limited mind cant remember and report its nonexistence durring deep sleep is not the eveidence that awareness was not there at that time. Awareness can not NOT be!
@@klemenlogar ohh, that analogy is much better... that makes much more sense! thanks
If we talk of knowing the Self, there must be two Selves, one a knowing Self, another the Self which is known, and the process of knowing. The state we call realisation is simply being oneself, not knowing anything or becoming anything. If one is realised, he is that which alone is and which alone always has been. Ramana Maharshi.
Realization is our true nature. It is nothing new to be gained. What is new cannot be eternal. Therefore there is no need to be doubting whether we would gain or lose the self. Ramana Maharshi
unconditional love includes all the emotional light and is infinite in itself respect to the human experience, we can all do it even with finite minds even if time to time or just few times in a lifetime. that exists thus love is the evidence that all we share is the same consciousness. it's like the universe in the multiverse representing itself which naturally arrises when you try to merry general relativity with quantum mechanics. (at least this is my translation and it is in line with all my spiritual experiences and inner-outer explorations.) this talk is brilliant and truly tapped into a deep realisation in me which just further strengthened. Even the commonly accepted quantum physics suffers to leave out the observer/awareness of its equations in the materialistic worldview because there is no definitive reality until there is a measurement made (by someone, guess who?). So there is no perception of anything or there is absolute nothingness in the materialist view until there is someone to look at it or measure it. The materialist worldview is just telling the same story of awareness but in a way where the encoding of our human reality can be decoded by another intellect than a human mind and if the mathematical language from humans is understood then could be used to reproduce some fundemantal laws of reality but it never will be the explanation of all things. Since it just proves that the alien intellect has to become aware of the same way as a human perceive its reality thus the alien has to develop a human view in its own awareness to precive like a human thus we have to share the same awareness of those physical laws which a human can measure. But I just can't see how this conversation about changing fundemantal understanding of our relationship with our reality from materialistic based to consciousness based could happen in the world most of us tend to build.. will see
I understand Rupert's use of the word "awareness ". Many argue that the dictionary use of the word "awareness " implies duality. I find both points useful in their respective presentations.
The problem with Rupert is that he does not distinguish between Awareness and Consciousness.
You cannot explain Deep Sleep without discerning between those two words.
Awareness needs duality, The observer and the observed. You have consciousness in deep sleep but you have no awareness. Awareness is only there in the waking and dream states of the common man. In deep sleep there is no awareness as there are no perceived objects physical or mental to be aware of. And because the Ego too is absent as a result of the cessation of the mind there is no self-awareness either. Consciousness however is there always since for Consciousness there never is anything "other" than itself to be aware of. Consciousness spawns and supports Awareness in the mind and the body when these are in a state that can manifest awareness.
Awareness is what the Advaitins call as "Chidabhaas". Consciousness is what they call as "Kootasth". Rupert should refine his use of terminology to facilitate the right understanding.
@@mojoomla It seems what you've observed about DEEP SLEEP would lead to "Consciousness" having the same conclusion.
I have to say my experience is completely different regarding deep sleeping state. When my dreams slowing down and there is no more objects in my mind then there is no any consciousness or awareness of being aware. In that state its like I don't exist or there is no any ME. It's exactly like before I was born. Completely nothing and no one there. Same process I see in deep meditation. Thoughts, dreams and then a state where feeling of I amness disappearing for some time and then of course things coming back again. It was same when I had accident and lost my consciousness for 20 min and after I woke up I was shocked as I felt as it was just few seconds. That is why I know consciousness can come and go. This is also the reason I left nonduality and Zen with regret of wasting many years of my life on that and eventually became supporter of materialistic view of consciousness ( if your brain dies your finite mind is no more conscious of any thing so there is no more you, no reincarnation either I'm afraid ). I'm open to discussion.
Maziel, perhaps you may want to investigate the 'Knower' that was present to report on your experience of being aware of; "Completely nothing and no one there."
OMG I just wrote more or less the same thing!
These words are so fresh the 🖊️ writing them down became a 🦢 and flew away
You are teaching buddhism without religion.
Very inspiring
Except that he interjects god in it. We are self created.
@@TheUpperbutt Rupert teaches that god and the self are one and the same ruclips.net/video/Ha_KFQxvGbQ/видео.html
@@thestuff4321 what God are you reffering to though? Brahma? Jesus? Odin?
@@TheUpperbutt None of those. No seperate entity
woohh thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Just realised that the term “separate self” is misleading for me, implying a distance, or disconnection between the two. Thinking of the essential self as being covered by thoughts and feelings, which can be removed, like unwrapping a gift in a box, makes it more accessible to me.
Ruperts answer to the deep sleep-question (that always resurfaces) has become more refined!:) Great!
Refined but still unsatisfactory. Disappearance of awareness/consciousness in deep sleep is still a clear possibility that remains. It is an unresolved conundrum. The spiritualist, like Rupert, will keep claiming that awareness was present during deep sleep and it did experience nothingness. That is mere play on words. Awareness devoid of experience is merely a belief. How can it be proven? It will remain a presumption only.
In fact, deep sleep gives the materialist a hands down victory. In deep sleep, the body remains. The consciousness/awareness ceases. It is the condition and state of the material neurons that control the switch on and switch off of awareness. What greater proof is needed that awareness depends on matter and not vice-versa ?!
@@mojoomla There is evidence from sleep labs, that people, when woken up straight from deep sleep, and asked, right away, did they experience anything whatsoever? About 50% of the people report some kind of abstract, often difficult to define, experience. So, no, the materialists down win with deep sleep:) But, as always, more research is needed:)
@@nimim.markomikkila1673 Why go to sleep labs ?! As Rupert often says, What is YOUR own experience ? I for one never experience anything in deep sleep. In fact that is why it is referred to as deep sleep, isn't it ?. Sleep devoid of awareness of any experience whatsoever!
@@Infiniteuniverse0000 That I had deep sleep is an inference not experience. inference is not experience and awareness. Awareness is never in the past it is always in the present. I am aware that I had deep sleep is an inferential statement not an experiential one.
@@Infiniteuniverse0000 If you think so, so be it. Be happy with your knowing.
The young man had a mystical experience. He wants to talk about it because he was stunned by it. And he wants to know if Rupert has, as a challenge of specialness. But the answer to him is: you as awareness had an experience you identify as outside of the physical 3d experience. Ok. You experienced it. It doesn’t mean anything other than what it was. Let it go. Don’t chase it. Don’t assign meaning. Keep going.
Great teaching Rupert!
I wonder if you have talked with Tom Campbell and his "My big TOE" theory of everything?
I think your teachings and Campbell's and a few others are describing a crucial paradigm shift for humanity to understand what the essence of reality is about.
Agreed. I think Campbell, Nassim Haramein and Donald Hoffman are making immense contributions to humanity and there aren’t nearly enough people taking notice of their work. It’s quite transformative. Campbell’s advice that “All beliefs block further insight” is the most valuable I have ever received. And I have learned SO much I never would have because of it.
Min 26:30-26:50 ❤ beautiful, joyful
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Super Profound
I was really expecting a real and depth response from the African American brother regarding his spiritual awakening. I think he was struggling to put that in words and he gets caught in experience and language terms so fast even while describing it. Even when it comes to divine experiences, American responses are always scattered and never really grounded and organized. So much love Mater Rupert.❤️🙏
Saroj: That is really the problem
That young man actually is incredibly capable of describing his experience. Spira would not let him complete a sentence, and was making a lot of assumptions about the person he was speaking to, apparently because the speaker doesn't share the vocabulary of the standard "white spiritual seeker." Everyone in the room missed a wonderful opportunity when the speaker was continually silenced.
I actually caught a glimpse of our nature in between the beyonds(words)he spoke.
It was question time… not “my spiritual awakening is deeper than your spiritual awakening “.. in appropriate time to start preaching.
@@jomariethompson4948 the questioner was coming from a place of ego. Rupert’s response was superb.
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Regarding the very last part, I am pondering over that question for a while now. If we notice new content in our field of awareness (sensations in our toe) did that just start or was it going on all the time in the background. In other words, does experience of something exist independently of us experiencing it. Was the toe tingly before we focvussed on it? I think this one of the most fascinating questions in the universe. Does the tree falling over in the forest makes a sound if no-one is there?
When is the panel with Daniel taking place?
What in my experience tells me that consciousness is shared?
Love?
How?
By love Rupert doesn't mean a feeling of any kind, although love appears that way at times. He means the absence of an other, of anything separate.
Imagine if you knew for certain you were the only being in existence, would you have anything to fear? Rather one would be free to know oneself however one desired, even as an apparent universe with creatures that seem to cause themselves suffering.
But is anyone actually suffering? No, because as Rupert said earlier in the conversation, there are no entities, no real separate selves.
This becomes known when as he also describes one sink's back into one's true essential self through first understanding what you are not (the inward facing path), and then resting in the knowing of what's still present when all objective experience is seen as illusory.
My 2 cents. 😊
Very often the end of the journey to god is merely isolation of the I thought for most Satsang attendees . Isolation of I thought is the 1st step of self inquiry
I read your words, and understand what you are saying. I have the issue. How do I "isolate those thoughts"??
Self Iquiry in my understanding of Ramana s teaching is that this whole world like the dream world is an illusion which disappears when the dreamer is dissolved. Similarly, only by a 180 degree turn away from the world (internal and external objects) towards the I will this world be seen through as an illusion and the only reality of the Self be realised . The problem is that self inquiry is actually 2 questions, 1st who am I? Which leads to isolation of the I thought, the second question is where do I come from? The answer is the Heart. The answer to the second question is an intuitive self abiding in Globality or awareness. The I thought is the illusory snake which through spiritual looking/inquiry becomes revealed as the reality of the rope. To isolate the I Thought you have to look at awareness.
Open your eyes and look at the room around you
Become aware that you are aware of the room
Look at that awareness
Now shut your eyes while remaining aware of that awareness
The room sensed is now darkness but you are still aware of that which was aware of the room.
Continue to look at that awareness
Sherli Looi meditation, a lot of practice, need to learn and believe you are not the thoughts, your essence is beyond that, and comes from the source,
Is that Dan Harris at the end of the clip?
Crazy how these talks of universal truth are still being so disliked. Rather clear who and/or What is doing such an action though haha.
Bless you all, and may all being be free of suffering
I had a miracoulos encounter with a Divine Being. Several years later I read Plotinus and he had a description of precisely the same. What I am aware of I am not. Neither am I this person. This is the reason for Gautamas answers about no self and emptiness. He knew, that he couldn't be neither the person or the divinine source who literally enlightned him. Only our source knows who we truly are.
At the time of revelation, the person was gone and only the Divine and absolut bliss and wisdom was left. But it was a intervening Divine Being, not the unpersonal Divinity that some people refer to. Absolutely All loving and all knowing and self aware. Not of material nature and not personal in that sense. I still strugle to get the old sense of "me" in alignment with that perfect Being. I cant recommend "Do as thy will" (that hurt).
@Dean Mitchell
@Dean Mitchell I guess the problem (as I see it) is this: some attitudes and behaviours will damage (who?), if there isn't completely alignment. When alignment is perfect, there is only One. One is destined to go, when this happens in life. It's a complete carmic cleansing in life. All the dirt needs to go. Thats why I have problems with the "you are already that". When all ego and ego activity is gone, then it's another story. Anyone can Say "I am that" without and consequenses, if the Source hasn't revealed it Self.
@Dean Mitchell I actually think You're right, but I know this for a fact: There is only one way when the Source has revealed it self and that is "no-mind" completely free of vikalpa. If there is the sligthest distortion in alignement, it will show up. The Source is like a mirror, a clear diamond. You're right about the "dont let the mind complicate it".
Dean Mitchell that is what Elkhart Tolle always says, and in meditation you can just let that thoughts arise but you are the observer behind,
Summary:Love ❤
His answer to the second question is exactly how is meditation
Sort of like minimization, consciousness can disappear when sleeping or if knocked out, one is very peaceful and one is very dramatic
@the12eternals deep sleep can't be the cessation of everything. Otherwise how is someone coming back to waking state again? Even it were to be going outside of spacetime, there is a solid connection to this dimension, like a vibration with the physical body.
So, what Rupert says is plausible. Having no experience doesn't mean there is nothing anymore, we just can't perceive and that is common fact. We somehow know that nothing happened when nothing happened to us.
When he asks the audience, 'Have any of you experienced absence of awareness' and nobody says anything, I thought, "Well I certainly have - e.g. when I passed out or when I was under gas or maybe when I was in very deep sleep"; that's why I can't see that awareness (or consciousness) is not dependent on this physical body.
I'd be interested to hear what's not reasonable about that.
So exactly what experienced, or what was aware of, the absence of awareness?
Also, you’re starting with the assumption that “you” are a body/mind, and that the body/mind(a person/ego) is aware, it’s not, awareness is aware, people don’t have awareness, awareness has people. “You” are awareness, not a person. 🕉️🐼
Awareness❤🎉
? What does Rupert means with „the Mind of consciousness“? What is this „mind“? Thank you for an answer, much love 💛🙏🏼
If somebody would ask Ramana Maharishi why we are not aware of our digestive process he would asked back: who is the one who is not aware of your digestion? It seems to me that our digestion processes is beyond the limits of our senses therefore the individual is not aware of it but that doesn’t means that digestion happens outside the universal field of consciousness as it happen with the photosynthesis process in a plant or the covalent chemical bounds between the molecules of water!
“What is the evidence of that? I would suggest it is Love”
I always think of it as like a security system. like there are a bunch of different views that seem to be separate views (like us as separate differnt people), but it's really one system that is seeing everything at once ( being the one that actually is experiencing everything and is only one). But this one doesn't have anything relative to it to be a one like a number because it's the only thing that exist, but it also doesn't have a apparent physical existance it only is as is without any comparison and is the one giving apparent separate existances to everything else. like Rupert was saying it dreams inside itself, this is all what you could call the mind of God. And I'm sure the possibilities are infinite and it's all right here even beyond what you are apparently experiencing. like it's all one space there is no out there. it's weird right, but its what's apparently happening, or not happening either way is ok to say. also what's weird is its infinite so that makes it sound like its multiple things but it's not, it is and isnt, see goes in circles.
How does one return to the true nature??
Rupert talks about going beyond our conglomeration of thoughts and feelings. HOW does one go beyond that conglomeration of thoughts and feelings in order to reach the True "I"??
When asking a question like for instance, "How can I do [whatever it is that we are inquiring about] and then there is a pause, a gap that seems so common, so insubstantial, so irrelevant, that it is missed almost continuously and then the next thought happens - "Well maybe it is like this etc etc" - that pause between those 2 thoughts - is formlessness, is Silence, stillness, awareness and it is so common it is almost always overlooked. It has always witnessed everything from when were children until whatever age we are now, it never comes and goes like thought forms, it always IS and always will be and has never not been.
What is asking the questions AND answering the questions is ego/mind/self-identity/"me"/personal pronoun/thought forms... and as long as there are questions and answers, "trying to figure out", "trying to fix", something or someone being a "doer" - we are never present, here now because the seeking is "always" pulling us into mind activity which is never in the Now.
As soon as it is understood that the seeking itself, the analyzing/trying to figure out/trying to fix/etc is ego/mind/"me" and the pause between is the reality, that there really is no "me" but only thoughts that are identified with and seem to be a "me", then is when it seems the world is within and not a "me" in the world. It is almost like the other side of the coin.
This is the silence like Ramana Marharshi spoke of, a lot of people think silence is just a quiet place where we sit and contemplate but there is still mental activity that is identified with and that is not true silence, true silence appears to be only when the "me/thinker" is discovered to be nothing but thought/seeking and that the gaps between the thoughts/seeking is what is left which is the peace we look and long for.
@@nunurbusiness894 Thank you. You have reminded me of Rupert's comment, with your own comments on the gap.
Hmmm..I will pay attention to that micro- mini dot of silence!
Identification with the thoughts, feelings and emotions is constant and automatic. Like digestion or other processes of our bodies. The way to control this process is simple. You should be able to see clearly that YOU ARE a BUNDLE of feelings, emotions and thoughts. If you can observe this automatic process, you will see that YOU ARE indeed that above mentioned BUNDLE. If you can observe and see this, you will be able to disengage. Because up to now this process was automatic, but now it became conscious. Also you wont want to be a bundle, or some feeling! You dont identify yourself with objects of physical world. Why you should identify yourself with objects of inner subjective world?
@@emendatus1 Actually, one should transcend seeing himself/herself as this bundle because in our essential self, we're none of those things. They simply appear in the Awareness that we already are.
What about anesthesia or induced comas? I spent 8 weeks in one a few years ago and I’m pretty sure I was not aware.
Anesthesia erases all memory.
I am awareness is still the “me” claiming to be awareness. These teachings mainly deal with thoughts. The “me” detaches itself from the thoughts and there is a feeling of traveling lighter, but there’s still a “you”. There is no “you”. Period. End of story. These are teachings. Who are they for if there’s no one? Notice the first guy was told “it’s a lifelong task”. WTF? That’s the carrot these teachers dangle in front of your illusory face. That first guy thinks he saw “it” and will go away thinking that he has to maintain awareness. What a joke. There’s simply nothing to do and no one to do it. Rupert and many others will lead you to the water and then claim you have to stay there. Ha! Good luck with that. It’s nonsense man.
@@johnwoodruff4817 Rupert says that applying the pointer that there is "simply nothing to do and no one to do it" literally is a distortion of the beautiful teachings in order to by-pass the inner work involved to change.
There is a 'me', there will always be a person (John Smith, Jane) that lives, thinks, acts and relates in this dimension, but what causes trouble is when that person gets lost into egoistical thinking, acting and relating. Hence the question "On whose behalf am I thinking, acting and relating in this world?". Rupert explains there are 3 stages: 1) being totally lost in the play without knowing it, thus feeling separate and suffering from it 2) the inward facing path (self-inquiry) that leads to the realization of who we are (one with the world), and 3) the outward facing path, where the person (what we call "I") goes back into the world thinking, acting, and relating at the light of this new understanding. So even if at the intellectual level there might be instant recognition of the onenness and that life is living us rather than us living life, it remains a [lifelong] task to integrate this understanding and get rid of the deeply engrained feeling of being a separate self. So I agree with you, the 'me' that is at the stage of the separate self cannot invite change in any way.
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@@joajoajb I think it is purposely expressed this way to attract more customers.
Who is the man with the final question and did they ever do a panel together?
Got the same question as the guy around 44ish mins in. No offense it seems you danced and riddled him into confusion but, if we are all individual renditions of the one consciousness wouldnt that mean becoming aware of your awareness is only the beginning process of awareness. I believe what he was trying to ask is have you ever been deeper into your realized state of awarness so that you become aware that you are indeed "everything". As in our world our reality as we know it everything objective and subjective is actually all parts of the same concisnous. So you and i are actually the same concisnous individualized and experiencing ourself in a limited physical manifestation.
Can you bring your localized state of awareness deep enough that you rejoin consciousness as fully aware?
Side note. Tom Campbell MBT may provide insight into some of your views. Which by the way i love.
The guy who is rudely asking rupert about going beyond awareness is obviously just conceptualizing the absolute and trying to put description in it. Rupert is so clear that it is just ordinary.
He is so farrrrr yet soooo close as we all are....he wasnt rude....the mind tries to grasp it as it slips away from it.
When I had an operation I completely lost the experience of awareness.
In reality only the Ultimate is. The rest is a matter of name and form. And as long as you cling to the idea that only what has name and shape exists, the Supreme will appear to you non-existing. When you understand that names and shapes are hollow shells without any content whatsoever, and what is real is nameless and shapeless, pure energy of life and light of consciousness, you will be at peace - immersed in the deep silence of reality. Nisargadatta.
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An example of Rupert falling woefully short. This is with the kid who identified as African American. That kid needed Rupert to bring it down to his level of understanding, and Rupert insisted on being only in "Rupert Spira" mode. That poor kid was sincerely trying to understand, but Rupert was actually getting testy, because he was being taken out of his normal groove with his obedience seekers in front of him, the ones who behave as the standard customers. The kid was just being himself and asking for help, but Rupert refused to part with his typical language and delivery. Notice he wasn't even speaking to the kid after a certain point. He was speaking to the room. He doesn't do that with the other questioners. His behavior actually made me sad for that kid. He needed some pointers tailored specifically for him, and he got none of that. First time I've seen Rupert taken out of his comfort zone.
What you actually missed in that interaction is...rupert explained it to him in the clearest way possible...with every answer rupert is trying to help you have a realization your self as you already posses all the answers inside,the Ego/Mind/programming in you is what thinks rupert wasnt fully compassionate to that man...its a deeper level of understading...i fully understand what you mean....but your perspective has ego involved....not YOU.....ego/mind/programming.
@@Stan.S9Exactly. The young man thinks he has gone “Beyond” the Self, but needed to understand that there is always a witness, his / the Self
Come on! I'm a spherical ice block sunbathing..
Thousand and one questions , words pulling out words, noisey streets, talking, being busy, and then comes the tiredness and there appears the night slowly and gently letting the light slipp off sink in back back in the womb, so you want it or not ,you are being tasting surrender over and over
Yes its all telling you to just let go.
Sure is a lifelong adjustment .
'On' is all there is - 'off' is impossible (it only appears in and as 'ON'.) '(h)ONesty' '(h)ONEesty'. Perhaps all concepts arise out of ON considering its opposite - this is the source of all conceptual thinking or duality (the first step out of the garden of Eden). The concept of OFF is so burdensome to ON that it gets projected onto part of itself and what is displyed within it starts to take that shape. ON realising that OFF cannot exist ends that apparent duality - or renders it transparent. However, OFF does have a kind of existance, as the impossibility of OFF (TIOO) is constantly giving birth to ON. thus ON 'is' TIOO and every moment is the dawn of creation. This understanding is just more ON-ness of course... Any good?
He asks, 'Has anyone ever had the experience of the absence of awareness?' Then answers it as an obvious 'no'. But what about when one is put out for surgery. I then had no awareness of any kind. No sense of time having passed either, when my awareness returned. I wonder how Rupert might respond to that?
The individual body mind mechanism is cut of by Anaesthesia. Consciousness being One is always present.
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If only terence could see him now
@Jiminey Cricket McKenna, they were at least semi close friends and debated into long late hours about such and many more topics
@@brandononeil6129 Rupert “Spira” ?
Are you sure you’re not thinking of Rupert “Shaldrake”? Nonetheless, I’m sure McKenna would very much enjoy talking with Spira.
@@bornuponawave *facepalm* yes lol, the names were just so similar at first examination, and I’ve been going between speakers recently including sheldrake as well as spira, my bad lol
After thought, perhaps they did know each other none the less if not through connections
@@brandononeil6129 indeed. That’s a very good possibility.
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I AM is the presence of the Absolute.
Awareness functions consciously and unconsciously simultaneously.
That I am is prior to what I am and who I am, and is that from which they arise and that to which they return.
To be nothing in particular (actual), is by definition to be everything in general (potential).
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32:17 Enter the Troll
Troll? This man gave Rupert the opportunity to crystallize THE WHOLE POINT OF HIS PRESENTATION!