Did The U.S. Fund Bin Laden?
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Long before Osama bin Laden masterminded and organized the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, he was tangentially involved with the Afghan resistance fighting the Soviets in the 1980s. Many people assume that, because the U.S. sent significant amounts of aid to the Afghan rebels, they must have been funding bin Laden--or even that (as some have alleged) he was a CIA agent. But is that really true? What does the historical evidence say? We drill into the murky history of the Afghan-Soviet War to try to reach the truth of this case.
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14:49 i think you could argue that the US by taking a fairly hands off approach and letting ISI run the show (and they backed the most extreme elements) created a place where Bin Laden could hide out and where his/similar idealogies could flourish . Of course this has had more blow back for Pakistan than anyone else .
I think the biggest omission of this video is discussion of the Tehran Eight. The Mujahideen were composed of two groups, the US-pakistan backed Peshawar Seven and the Iran backed Tehran Eight. The US only funded the Peshawar Seven.
Following the war, the Tehran Eight and the remnants of the DRA military became the Northern Alliance, whom we backed in the war in Afghanistan. Two of these Peshawar Seven groups would go on to join Bin Ladens MAK, to form Al-Qaeda.
So the accurate conclusion would the that the US provided funding and arms to the ISI. The ISI then laundered the goods and funded, trained and armed several native mujahideen fighters, plus the Peshawar Seven groups, plus the MAK
Would love to hear a podcast or watch a video on these subjects. Can you point me in the direction of any?
your content is some of the best on this website,can't believe you only have 39k!
Real question is why was George bush so closely connected to the bin Laden family
im 51 and learning more context than ever even as a self proclaimed recent history buff. Great job and I'm having fun watching again with my wife. Cheers and thank you.
Historical accuracy has _never_ been more important. Great work! ^^
Thank you!
You're assessment is consistent with my own research and sound logic. Thank you for the bit of reason amongst the clutter.
Highly recommend Adam Curtis' series "The Power of Nightmares" for more information on this topic.
Another book I would recommend about bin Laden is holy war inc by Peter Bergan. Submitted it for publication the week before 9/11, with minor revisions after. So it’s an interesting view of “pre” 9/11 bin Laden
I know it‘s a 2-year-old video, so u might not see this.
But do you have any good literature recommendations for the Soviet-Afghan war and US involvement in it?
If not Sean, does anybody else know? lmao
The thing that people do is give any details when saying the US funded bin Laden. The part they take off and run with was the fact the US funded and CIA trained groups that were affiliated with bin Laden in some way. And most likely these groups that were funded knew about and/or met a group that met bin Laden one time in Peshawar. Maybe even knew about the family company.
And you’re one of the few on this platform that took the time to touch on these facts. So thank you for that.
The Corbett Report does a real good job explaining the US funding.
Why doesn't this have 10+ million views?!
Watching this on 9/11/23. Very interesting, thanks Sean.
Crazy I'm 3 days Shy lolol of that lol
Fantastic work Sean! Have you seen the lecture on Dartmouth (University) RUclips channel by James Kreindler called “Saudi Arabia’s Role in 9/11” ? It is fascinating. Kreindler is the lawyer suing for compensation from the Saudi govt for orphans and widows of 9/11. I mention it because in the lecture he contradicts your (and the common) assertion that Bin Laden was a “black sheep”. Kreindler says the opposite - that Bin Laden was a senior figure in Wahabbism and as such somewhat of a powerbroker within the Saud royal family.
Sounds like I need to check it out! Thanks!
ruclips.net/video/6nnz0YRy6So/видео.htmlsi=n8p1iteBNRHMiX5c
@SeanMunger Hello from the UK! Appreciate your incite ! Can you look up a guy called Christopher Bollyn. He is the author of " 9/11" The Deception That Changed The World ". Alot of lectures have been quietly been removed from YT. Let us know of what you of his perspective
Is there really a question about that?
Ghost Wars by Steve Coll was a good read. Do you also write books?
Wow!! I L0VE YOUR CHANNEL! Can't get enough!! THANK YOU PROFESSOR 😊
I taught English in Saudi Arabia and one of my students was a nephew of OBN (who came from a typically large and widespread Arab family). It was a bizarre experience since he looked rather like his more famous uncle albeit without the beard.
Arab afghans is not a misnomer. It’s correct. Afghans are not arab or middle eastern which is why the Arabs who came from other countries called them selves that. Mixing ethnicity of arab with the nationality of afghans. The correct translation is Afghan Arabs not the other way around.
The name tells you everything you need to know about the ethnicity of the group and what they’re fighting for.
The interesting thing is that he saw Russia as imperialist and the Americans too. Yet he did not consider himself and saudis as an imperialist either when majority of the Middle East is Arabized and colonized by the Arabs to the point that they no longer speak their languages
Plz list all the history books you own.
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Another excellent and interesting video, Sean. I would love if you did something on Abu Nidal and his organization. I just read Patrick Seale's book about him.
You still failed to mention where Osama got his surplus US military Uniform that he wore almost exclusively. I call that older camo pattern the Osama pattern.
Well yeah but the thing is not every Afghan mujahed was an apolitical nationalist. There was a lot of Islamism amongst that group, and some of those at the forefront of that wing of the movement, many of whom were certainly recipients of some sort of US aid, subsequently became supporters and close associates of Bin Laden when US money dried up after the Soviet withdrawal.
In short, it is almost certainly the case that individuals (who knows how many and what proportion) at Bin Laden's training camps had previously been part of Mujahedin factions that had been heavily US funded.
Whether the Americans could reasonably have predicted this is of course a whole other issue.
And this stuff about Bin Laden wanting to provoke a US invasion of Afghanistan I haven't heard before. It certainly would have come as a disagreeable surprise to his Taliban hosts. If I recall correctly in the aftermath of the September 11th attacks Al-Qaeda denied responsibility - as they did routinely - in the Western media, allowing the likes of George Galloway to argue their innocence until the Iraq war rendered that view no longer expedient..
I'm not saying you are wrong, but you certainly need to cite a couple of sources.
Id love any commentary on Operation Cyclone and the stinger missiles provided to the mujahideen by the US government. Thank you! 🙏
Absolutely love your videos!!
Thank you! 🙏 I love making them
another good video sean ,thank you
Bin Ladin was essentially a dictator. Like all dictators he needed an enemy to maintain his power. It was unhelpful for him that the Soviet Union went away.
CIA and U.S military ,these trustworthy,charitable organizations,they cant lie haha
I love these videos man. You do a great job of being non biased and just presenting facts.
I remember seeing Bin Laden on America's Most Wanted for some reason in the 90s, like we would be hanging out at a 7-11. When 9-11 came, I was like, "OH! That guy!"
As my area of study is in the Modern "Middle East," I am so sick of hearing this meme. I'm glad that I have a reference now that doesn't require me explaining that it is false this for five hours lol.
Wait what? Is this that is this thus that this is this?
perhaps your new ‘area of study’ should be rudimentary English 👍
Great video. But I think a more fitting comparison to the non-Afghan volunteers that went to fight the Soviet Union, would be the volunteers that went to Spain during the Spanish Civil War.
Famous picture of OBL with a Motorola walkie talkie...(not Yaesu)
The thing about it is the isi got money from America and distributed it to whomever they wanted. And unfortunately the Lion didn’t get the lion share. So to speak. So wouldn’t it be possible that bin Laden got money that way? Sorta indirectly.
Americans funding terrorists never... i mean just ask Latin and South America about it.😂😂😂
sniff sniff….. I think I may detect just a whifffff of sarcasm.
Saying that “the CIA does not support terrorist organizations” is akin to saying “the dumpster out back does not support garbage receptacles”
OF COURSE THE CIA SUPPORTS TERRORISM… game recognizes game.
Great video!
I learned something today. Thanks.
Do u think he was just angry at his dad?
Kind of funny that I'm getting this recommended on 9/11
Loved your video on Iran Contra
The looming tower book was also made into a movie
i always heard that it wasnt him personally that was funded but her was apart of the afghan factions that fought against Russia in the 80s....
I recall a bunch of CIA people saying (and the CIA endorsing) "Of course we were aware of bin Laden during Charlie Wilson's War. We tried to work with him, we would have funded him, but he was suspicious of us and it never happened, so we pursued other approaches." Which is entirely plausible to me. It also completely takes the wind out of the sails of the whole US-funded-bin-Laden thing, because it didn't happen, but not for lack of trying.
Also, incidentally my understanding is that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war, but more like "holy struggle" or just "struggle" but with religious connotations. The difference is that it's personal, or at least can be, whereas nobody would say "I did a war." So any holy war is a jihad, but not every jihad is a holy war. Like I think if a muslim was trying to quit smoking because he thought it was sinful he might describe this as jihad and the other muslims wouldn't think that was weird.
This is dope. Thank you.
Conspiracies are always ridiculous till a cia plane full of cocaine crashes.
for a second i was like review brah aged
Thankyou! In these last 2 years, I have been reading that it was the Sauds that were behind 9/11. So hearing (for the first time!) that OBL was a son of the wealthiest Saudi that wasn't a royal -makes perfect sense..🎉🎉🎉
that one Pakistani howard stern prank caller said literally exactly this was happening and I can't find that clip anymore. sadge
Not funding suuure, stood by and watched and applauded…yes
Petrodollars did fund bin Laden. Those are the billions that flowed into Persian Gulf oil states, particularly Saudi Arabia during the ‘70s and ‘80s because of the over-reliance on imported oil that America refused to end.
That money gave the bin Laden family the opportunity to get rich building all that infrastructure, and consequently gave Osama bin Laden the wealth to build his terror organization.
In the less direct but very real sense, the U.S. system being run by car and oil companies did fund bin Laden.
Thank you. Those claims are as annoying and cheap as they are common and wrong.
youtube pushing the shit out of your stuff all of a sudden good stuff tho
Excellent and factual again . Im going to share my controversial opinion though , the whole middle east wouldnt be a problem today if Carter had handed the Shah over and we'd worked with the Iranians instead of the Saudis and Pakistanis ......... I know totally unrealistic , but the Iranians could have been reformers , possibly .
Excellent ‘what if’ sir, I mean to your point: Iran IS exactly what we always say we want in that region… a functioning democracy. Be Well
I don’t get it tho.. why do these countries accept help them turn on there helpers ? Imagine the Middle East let go of its ego and just went along. I’m sure the kids who get blown up by drones would appreciate it
A fairly accurate depiction of this controversial and very baleful character who was able to engender a change in a state of global geopolitics. His crusader attitude coalesced with iniquitous terror tactics were exceptionally harmful to many and a deplorable threat to global security. Which prompted western governments to fashion proper strategy to combat his plexus and it's omnipotent presence creating flashpoints around the world. Obviously this level of militancy and voracious commitment to challenge the western superpowers to attain ideological aims eventuated in his demise.
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The distinction seems to be a bit arbitrary. US money did not fund the groups that would become Al-Qaeda but it did fund the groups that would become the Taliban and the Taliban would directly support Al-Qaeda. So while indirect the US did allow Osama to get the power that he had and directly funding his group in the war would not have made much difference.
I'm sorry but jihad does not mean holy war, There is no such thing as a holy war in Islam, that term was coined by the Crusaders
Oh but you see the funding was super secret. That's how I a random guy on the Internet with no position in government can know it.
It's easy when you can just make stuff up.
It is one of those odd historical anecdotes that while that specifics are not true the general lesson are.
The US my not have funded Al-Qaeda direct but they did found and back groups that would go on to support them.
The lesson of the enemy of my enemy is not always your friend still holds true.
Parts of it were in 2 movies 1 the 3rd Rambo movie, 2 "The Living Daylights"