I’m watching this, July 2023, I’d love to see a follow up of the Q movement. Many of the dates and events have come and gone and they are doubling down. I think they are even growing in popularity or maybe I’m just more aware, either way I think it would be interesting!
watching this in may 2024 I'm wondering if the spell is starting to break a little Donald trump's trial is underway, more people are going to jail for January 6th, etc
I find it a mystery how your channel has been running this long without my notice. It's right up my alley, and I often feel like I'm listening to my own mind. Good basic reasoning.
Same! I just stumbled across his channel recently and saved a bunch of vids to watch later. Finally going through my watch laters and yep, the algorithm did well when it put his channel in the "watch next" suggestions lol The mix of history, sociology, current events that are both impacted by history and clearly will be important to future historians...yes please! I have a cold/sinus infection and will gladly use that as an excuse to binge watch over the next couple days 😆
When one prophecy fails, another one takes its place without missing a beat. The believers either forget the previous one, or re-interpret it to tie it to the new one in a way that allows them to save face. And when the new one fails, the same thing happens again
THIS is why there needs to be ABSOLUTE separation of Church and State. Pastors have NO business discussing political issues in a Church/Congregation gathering.
I think they should be allowed too still do that, but it is very dangerous that mainly western Protestant Christian’s are integrating pro American propaganda into their religious teachings. The Mormons have been doing it a long time, even believing that Jesus inspired the constitution, so many others have followed. That’s why I respect more of the non political orthodox christians.
Really interesting topic and somewhat depressing. Then & Now, which is another of my absolute favorite RUclips channels along with this one, just did a video on conspiracy theory cultists, with Russell Brand as its focus, and I would recommend that to anyone. It goes more into the psychological side and explains why certain people are susceptible to these beliefs. Did we ever get the Ms. Keech UFO cult video? Sounds like it would be fantastic.
The stories of the people sucked in by Harold Camping’s failed prophecies are incredibly sad. If you’re not familiar with the name you may recall the vehicles plastered with stickers and billboards urging people to repent before May 21, 2011.
There should of course be no need to publish rational, sensible, logical explanations because the information presented here simply stands to reason. But in this weird world of delusions, conspiracy theories and general truth decay it is good that it is here. Great work, keep it up!
For anyone interested in what happens with these kinds of lunatics when their prophecies fails, look no further than the Great Disappointment of 1844. The fact that there are not only still Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh-Day Baptists around, but they are still thriving, tells you everything you need to know.
As a mighty time traveler hailing from the year 2023, I can reveal that no, they won't. In fact they're going to get increasingly more deranged - I know that sounds impossible, but you'll see.
Don't blame them - it's becoming increasingly difficult to know what's true and what's not true You have to have a PhD in Machiavellism to try and understand the world in 2023 - some of us just aren't that smart - me included I honestly don't believe in Q or Aliens but i did vote Trump once - 😂😂
I've lost one of my best friends to these nutters....what amazes me is that it seems to morph depending on the circumstances and context of whomsoever it touches. I'm in New Zealand and they have actually managed to warp the conspiracy to include this country, on their own bat.
I have multiple family members who have bought in. My relationship with them has basically been destroyed. It’s crazy seeing ordinary seemingly rational people turn into lunatic conspiracy theorists. It’s been a nightmare having Trump as a leader in this country. He uses Q language to rally his constituents. The politicians who know it’s bullsh*t care not what’s true as long as it keeps them in power. It really feels like a very unstable country right now.
They do it here in Australia too, there is a bit of a blurred line between them and the sovereign citizen movement, but the guys who shot up the police here a few months back were part of that rabbit hole.
Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson wrote Mistakes were Made (but not by me!) was my read on the subject of cognitive dissonance. They really let the reader know how vulnerable to this problem we all are
The more a cultist has invested the less likely they are to face up to the truth. Many have damaged their marriages, children extended family. Many have broken the law for this belief system. To admit it was all a lie is to have to face up to all the things you did that hurt others in the name of this cult belief. There are a whole lot of people who just can't face themselves under those circumstances so they look for every excuse in the book why they were always right. They will insist everything they did that harmed others was due to their dedication to the right thing no matter the cost to themselves. This not only lets them off the hook it makes them a long suffering soldier for the cause. QAnon is horribly dangerous.
I should really pick up that book, I think itd go a long ways towards helping me put my thoughts together on the deplorable state of things. Yet again another well made piece of work, thank you!
...Note my latest post (like just now)... "No public baby feeding... to baby eaters" in the series "Baby Eating for Fun & Profit" ha ha ha ha ha. What an insane age we live in.
Some stats: 6 posts between 10 months and two years ago 12 posts between 3 and 2 months ago 56 posts in last month 74 comments total Question: Regardless of political volatility, why does this excellent scholarly work have such few views (less than 13K) and posts in the 2 years of its existence? (Unscholarly) Answer: EweToob sux That is RUclips - where brains cells go to die
A lot of end-times believers in the past publicly shared their beliefs, so when the prophecies failed, they had to put their tails between their legs and move on. Most believers in Q are secret believers, so it may be more easy for them to latch onto certain problematic beliefs down the road, even if those beliefs are proven to be outright false. However, that secrecy could also help them leave those beliefs behind without needing to have an embarrassing and public wake-up moment.
I grew up as one of jehovah's witnesses. I almost lost my mother to QAnon until I gave her the points wherein both groups are just too eerily similar. It was a dark time in our now non existing relationship 😅 That's not to say that the other side of the spectrum is the shining example of a better answer to extreme right-wing politics. Both sides of the political spectrum have their own cultish behavior. Humans haven't evolved in a better way than previous generations. We've just traded religious cults for political ones... Granted, the left side hasn't started up any White House invading insurrections (like Gilead). But they do control the vast majority of social media, thinning out the non adherents to their rules by actively searching for "reasons" to get people fired based on truly surface level misbehavior...
Fascinating stuff. Watching in September 2023. Conspiracy theories, and their supporters appear to be multiplying. Of course, that could just be me being impressionable, becoming paranoid and then checking out the RUclips channels of conspiracy theorists. So fat they're all nut-jobs.
Like all of Dr. Munger's videos which I have seem, this one is impressive and persuasive, but because I have a disputative and contrarian predilection, I would like to make one small quibble. Munger, in an aside, mentions that Trump probably believes he won the 2016 because of some psychological issue. I certainly can't dismiss this interpretation, but I think that another explanation is more likely - he is just lying, something he has been known to do. I want to thank him for his use of the word "canon", which he uses more broadly, but definitely correctly, than I have hitherto done, and his example will now enhance my vocabulary.
I’m watching this, July 2023, I’d love to see a follow up of the Q movement. Many of the dates and events have come and gone and they are doubling down. I think they are even growing in popularity or maybe I’m just more aware, either way I think it would be interesting!
watching this in may 2024 I'm wondering if the spell is starting to break a little Donald trump's trial is underway, more people are going to jail for January 6th, etc
It's still going 😢
I find it a mystery how your channel has been running this long without my notice. It's right up my alley, and I often feel like I'm listening to my own mind. Good basic reasoning.
Thanks so much! 🙏
Same! I just stumbled across his channel recently and saved a bunch of vids to watch later. Finally going through my watch laters and yep, the algorithm did well when it put his channel in the "watch next" suggestions lol
The mix of history, sociology, current events that are both impacted by history and clearly will be important to future historians...yes please! I have a cold/sinus infection and will gladly use that as an excuse to binge watch over the next couple days 😆
When one prophecy fails, another one takes its place without missing a beat. The believers either forget the previous one, or re-interpret it to tie it to the new one in a way that allows them to save face. And when the new one fails, the same thing happens again
Where is part 2?
THIS is why there needs to be ABSOLUTE separation of Church and State.
Pastors have NO business discussing political issues in a Church/Congregation gathering.
I think they should be allowed too still do that, but it is very dangerous that mainly western Protestant Christian’s are integrating pro American propaganda into their religious teachings. The Mormons have been doing it a long time, even believing that Jesus inspired the constitution, so many others have followed. That’s why I respect more of the non political orthodox christians.
And taxation on churches
We need part 2.
Commenting for the algorithm
This is like asking why Muhammad Atta didn't snap out of it when he flew over the swan boats in Central Park
Really interesting topic and somewhat depressing. Then & Now, which is another of my absolute favorite RUclips channels along with this one, just did a video on conspiracy theory cultists, with Russell Brand as its focus, and I would recommend that to anyone. It goes more into the psychological side and explains why certain people are susceptible to these beliefs. Did we ever get the Ms. Keech UFO cult video? Sounds like it would be fantastic.
Dr. Munger's work is always stellar. I'm happy to be jumping into these older ones. Good fodder for AP Psychology.
The stories of the people sucked in by Harold Camping’s failed prophecies are incredibly sad. If you’re not familiar with the name you may recall the vehicles plastered with stickers and billboards urging people to repent before May 21, 2011.
0:00 William Miller, Seventh Day Adventist Founder. 6:45
0:33 Comet Ping Pong 🏓 , December 4th 2016 Shooting
1:47 Sean Munger’s Introduction
2:20 Q-Anon
2:30 January 6th
2:45 Dangerous stuff, unfactual basis beliefs.
3:25 Highly Dangerous
3:50 Q’s Web of Claims. 🩸
4:55 Joseph R Biden’s Election.
5:25 Tragic Q-Anon Casualties.
6:14 Recanting.
6:37 Doubling Down.
7:20 October 22nd, 1844 Second Great Awakening. Burned Over District.
Great Disappointment.
9:50 Jehovah’s Witnesses, The Seventh Day Adventists.
10:03 1954 Oak Park, Illinois. Mrs. Keetch’s Alien 👽, Cataclysm Prediction. Flying Saucers 🛸
11:07 Doomsday UFO Cult.
11:52 _When Prophecy Fails_ 📕
13:04 Major Cataclysm Prediction was FALSE.
14:21 Q’Anon.
14:58 Historian Sean Munger.
15:45 Biden is a …. 🩸 🧛♂️
16:28 Belief changes
16:43 Conspiracy Theories
There should of course be no need to publish rational, sensible, logical explanations because the information presented here simply stands to reason. But in this weird world of delusions, conspiracy theories and general truth decay it is good that it is here. Great work, keep it up!
For anyone interested in what happens with these kinds of lunatics when their prophecies fails, look no further than the Great Disappointment of 1844.
The fact that there are not only still Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh-Day Baptists around, but they are still thriving, tells you everything you need to know.
I went to the subreddit. Some stries are truly heartbreaking.
Without a doubt one of the most relevant and well researched channels on youtube rn
Amazing video!! Thanks so much for posting. Subscribed 😊
Currently reading when prophecy fails. Love your videos
As a mighty time traveler hailing from the year 2023, I can reveal that no, they won't. In fact they're going to get increasingly more deranged - I know that sounds impossible, but you'll see.
Unfortunately true.
I live in the South - some coworkers are still talking about PizzaGate - they even think Epstein was murdered 😂😂
Don't blame them - it's becoming increasingly difficult to know what's true and what's not true
You have to have a PhD in Machiavellism to try and understand the world in 2023 - some of us just aren't that smart - me included
I honestly don't believe in Q or Aliens but i did vote Trump once - 😂😂
I've lost one of my best friends to these nutters....what amazes me is that it seems to morph depending on the circumstances and context of whomsoever it touches. I'm in New Zealand and they have actually managed to warp the conspiracy to include this country, on their own bat.
I have multiple family members who have bought in. My relationship with them has basically been destroyed. It’s crazy seeing ordinary seemingly rational people turn into lunatic conspiracy theorists. It’s been a nightmare having Trump as a leader in this country. He uses Q language to rally his constituents. The politicians who know it’s bullsh*t care not what’s true as long as it keeps them in power. It really feels like a very unstable country right now.
They do it here in Australia too, there is a bit of a blurred line between them and the sovereign citizen movement, but the guys who shot up the police here a few months back were part of that rabbit hole.
They've done it in Canada too where we have our own Trump clone (Poiliever) and god hel us all if that goon ever replaces Trudeau.
Sean, you should do more topical stuff like this. You have great insights!
Sean your channel is just fantastic. Thank you so much.
The Great Disappointment Incident? Oh yeah, that was a Guns N Roses album, was it not?😂
Is a part 2 coming? This was fascinating
Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson wrote Mistakes were Made (but not by me!) was my read on the subject of cognitive dissonance. They really let the reader know how vulnerable to this problem we all are
Could save myself 19 minutes by saying 'no' but thisll be good
Now it is happenning something similar here in Brazil, in 2022 December.
Sick Sepultura shirt
I scrolled looking for this
You can't save people from themselves.
Did you ever make a part two? I can't seem to find it if you did.
The more a cultist has invested the less likely they are to face up to the truth. Many have damaged their marriages, children extended family. Many have broken the law for this belief system. To admit it was all a lie is to have to face up to all the things you did that hurt others in the name of this cult belief. There are a whole lot of people who just can't face themselves under those circumstances so they look for every excuse in the book why they were always right. They will insist everything they did that harmed others was due to their dedication to the right thing no matter the cost to themselves. This not only lets them off the hook it makes them a long suffering soldier for the cause. QAnon is horribly dangerous.
is that a sepultura t-shirt?
It is. From 1996!
What happened to a Part 2? Anyway, I always enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work!
😐☺️🤭😁. Oh, excuse me😝😆😂!!! On another note; that's a B-29 bomber, on the shelf behind you, is it??
I should really pick up that book, I think itd go a long ways towards helping me put my thoughts together on the deplorable state of things. Yet again another well made piece of work, thank you!
Loved this post...I'm a late discoverer! Thank you.
This is why I’m Biden 2024
Part 2, please!
...Note my latest post (like just now)... "No public baby feeding... to baby eaters" in the series "Baby Eating for Fun & Profit" ha ha ha ha ha. What an insane age we live in.
Please stop using reddit as an example of anything.
It's the third largest website in the world. Its a great way to gauge the zeitgeist
"Like our sauce -- we harvest a whole crop of organic tomatoes -- 10 tons of tomatoes every year. Can them all, store them in the basement"
Please tell me that's a Sepultura shirt you have on.
It is!
@@SeanMunger absolutely love that band. Love watching your stuff. Big history guy.
Great video, is part 2 still coming?
I may have issues with some of the things my parents believe and have done, but neither of them believe in QAnon and I'll take it!
still q believers in the local telegram
Not until they get a hobby.
Thank you for your content.✌🏼💫
Short answer: No.
Comet ping pong is more a pizza based gastro pub than pizza parlor.
Some stats:
6 posts between 10 months and two years ago
12 posts between 3 and 2 months ago
56 posts in last month
74 comments total
Question:
Regardless of political volatility, why does this excellent scholarly work have such few views (less than 13K) and posts in the 2 years of its existence?
(Unscholarly) Answer: EweToob sux
That is
RUclips - where brains cells go to die
A lot of end-times believers in the past publicly shared their beliefs, so when the prophecies failed, they had to put their tails between their legs and move on. Most believers in Q are secret believers, so it may be more easy for them to latch onto certain problematic beliefs down the road, even if those beliefs are proven to be outright false. However, that secrecy could also help them leave those beliefs behind without needing to have an embarrassing and public wake-up moment.
I grew up as one of jehovah's witnesses. I almost lost my mother to QAnon until I gave her the points wherein both groups are just too eerily similar. It was a dark time in our now non existing relationship 😅
That's not to say that the other side of the spectrum is the shining example of a better answer to extreme right-wing politics. Both sides of the political spectrum have their own cultish behavior. Humans haven't evolved in a better way than previous generations. We've just traded religious cults for political ones...
Granted, the left side hasn't started up any White House invading insurrections (like Gilead). But they do control the vast majority of social media, thinning out the non adherents to their rules by actively searching for "reasons" to get people fired based on truly surface level misbehavior...
Fascinating stuff. Watching in September 2023. Conspiracy theories, and their supporters appear to be multiplying. Of course, that could just be me being impressionable, becoming paranoid and then checking out the RUclips channels of conspiracy theorists. So fat they're all nut-jobs.
Love it
John Prine wrote a song titled Commin Sense, yep.
Like all of Dr. Munger's videos which I have seem, this one is impressive and persuasive, but because I have a disputative and contrarian predilection, I would like to make one small quibble. Munger, in an aside, mentions that Trump probably believes he won the 2016 because of some psychological issue. I certainly can't dismiss this interpretation, but I think that another explanation is more likely - he is just lying, something he has been known to do.
I want to thank him for his use of the word "canon", which he uses more broadly, but definitely correctly, than I have hitherto done, and his example will now enhance my vocabulary.
Oh, Lordy. My apologies, I mention the 2016 election. I meant the 2020 election.
Don't know much about Q but if our country doesn't change it's direction in a hurry we'll be standing in bread lines.
No.
"historic" from "American history"?
Interesting connections. For a sequelae to the Great Disappointment of 1844 you mike like "Thief In the Night" by William Sears.
And they’re back (they never left)
QAnnonism
I'm here from the future... no... no they won't
Wow....that's just goofy 😂
Q makes people feel special but they should just feel stupid.
Algorithm.
20k views in 3 years. Idk if id put this on your "Popular" playlist. What do you think of channels like Forgotten History Sean?
This is 2023......how ya feelin´ ? 🤡🐸
Bro, are you wearing a Sepultura t-shirt? That's awesome! I love that band.
I am, yes!
Where is part 2?
Unfortunately I never finished it. :(
@@SeanMunger Thanks for replying. Love your videos!
@@SeanMunger Just found your channel and I'm catching up.