My theory on the timeline is that Dialga was making lunch but he accidentally spilled his apple juice on the time line and he was like whatever ill just make another one over here
Honestly it’s pretty obvious that gamefreak never intended to make a cohesive timeline. It’s just odd that they decide to put old characters into new games and say that they’re x years older than they were before, because that just begs fans to try to put a timeline together
Actually they did. Except dumbass fans kept asking for remakes and Gamefreak decided to keep moving the timeline around because of it. If you played Gen 3 and 4. It worked well because both Gen 1 and 2 happened parallel to 3 and 4. it all started getting fucked up when Gen 3 remake happened and they decided to have that run parallel to Gen 6.
I kind of feel like Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon has its own little alternate timeline. The story, while largely enough is the same, still manages to have its own differences. It's not a case of Emerald or Platinum where the story is expanded upon, but it changes just enough to warrant it to separate from Sun and Moon.
Nintendo and Gamefreak: I know you have a lot of questions about the timelines, but in order to answer those questions, we have to talk about P A R A L L E L U N I V E R S E S
@@FlamingFoxProd you implued that every game could be said like that, my whole point was it wasnt. If the creator said it is is canon, then it is. Therefore, if they ther games don't have their developers backing up that statement, then no it is not "the same" Also there was even a dialogue about this in the game itself, which makes it more established than whatever you tried to imply here.
Tbh that's really sweet. It's like they are officially saying like "you are the main character and your individualized save file *is* important. And I appreciate that.
I prefer the simplicity of how the manga does it. It’s all one timeline and there is a definite passage of time with the original characters aging. As far as I can remember, Mega Evolutions are introduced as this cool new thing and left at that. The remakes are also still part of the timeline, but are extensions of the original story. The best example is probably Emerald when all the main cast come together Avengers style.
Well, i don't know if stuf from Masters counts, but there Iris says "I guess it runs in my family. One of my cousins is Leon, champion of the Gallar region" And sinze that's champion Iris then SwSh could be at arond the same time as B2W2
The best part is, you can see in Red's character model that Sun and Moon takes place 20 years after Gen 1. Which is perfect as Sun and Moon were the 20th Anniversary games.
@@timdoe8895 probably a reference to the fact his shirt in Sun and Moon features a stylized 96 on it (similar to sports shirts) which is a reference to the year Red and Green versions initially released. That being said it doesn’t actually mean Sun and moon take place 20 years later, as that would make red and blue/green 31 years old, when their clearly only in their early 20s. On a related note, there IS a theory that Sun and Moon are actually in the LGPE timeline, as unlike in their intro in the PWT in BW2, red and blue are only referred to as “previous champions from the Kanto region” with no mention of Red’s role in defeating team rocket. The implication then being the Red and Blue from SM/USUM are actually the older versions of the LGPE npc versions.
You can make a Timeline out of anything, because everything has to have some sort of Timeline. So that's nothing special. The better question is: did the creators consider the Timeline and thought about it in the creation process. If the Timeline that the fans are trying to reconstruct gets as complex as this one - I think it's safe to say that the answer to that is "no".
thats correct, maybe because they didnt consider it would be a big hit. Many IP's were launched on the game boy classic/game boy color and didnt made it to this date. Pokemon and among other few, were "the chosen ones" maybe with the power of anime (for pokemon that became a boom for it on the west) or maybe tru heavy marketing (what happened to mario/zelda franchise)
Granted, but if the devs continually add recurring characters, and even a character like Ingo into Legends Arceus (who was from BW). Then we can also assume, that yes they do consider a linear timeline. The multiple timeline theories are to me less viable than it just being a single timeline, i.e. the remakes are just remakes and they may or may not add to the lore what the developers didn't get to. Game mechanics shouldn't (in my opinion) be considered.
It would make much more sense, so like in the Ruby timeline, team Magma awakens Groudon but it is caught, and in the Omega Ruby timeline, team Magma awakens Primal Groudon but it is caught anyways. Ok so in Sapphire and Alpha Sapphire is the same but replace it
Dialga: Hey... Hey Palkia. You know what would be funny... Palkia: If we made an alternate timeline where mega stone exist? Dialga: You know it bro! Let's do it! Palkia: Should we ask Arceus first? Dialga: He doesn't need to know! We'll be fine. *Approximately 2 minutes later* Arceus: YOU GUYS WHAT THE ACTUAL FU-
I have the feeling Legends: Arceus will have a major impact on the timeline, I have a theory that that game will be the first game playing out on one of the "evil team victorious" timelines!
Welp turns out it's a god-damn isekai AND it takes place in the past but also there's already rideable pokemon in Alola Edit: Oh and also Porygon appearently exists, even though ti was supposed to have been created 20 years before sun/moon, so I guess that means PLA takes place 20 years before sun/moon
Well you can add that every copy of a pokemon game is it's own universe Hinted at in oras postgame story and supported by multiple legendairies and mythicals
The thing is, with different timelines that influence thousands of years, it's to be expected that slight differences in ages of normal characters in the original timeline. Because of the introduction of something as influential as Mega Evolution, something like some parents deciding to have a baby earlier or later than they would in the original timeline wouldn't be too surprising. This explains why some characters are in Mega timeline but not in original, and why some are different ages. In fact, it's amazing that they ended up so similar to the original timeline, given how much things should've changed.
Ya that would be cool the good thing is Metroid timeline is allot easier to understand and the theoretical timelines are extremely solid and would make a good video
Now we need a video explaining the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon timeline! I know it’s definitely more linear than the main timeline, but I think it would be fun to examine it regardless.
"When they needed Red, he disappeared. But a new trainer rose to defend the region." So pretty much Ethan is the Wind Waker Link of Pokèmon. 😂 And also the Avatar.
water..Fire..Ground..Flying..Rock...Fairy..Ghost..Normal..Electric..Psychic..(every other pokemon type) my grandmother used to tell me stories about the olden days, the time of peace between all 18 Pokemon types. That is... until TEAM ROCKET attacked.. Only the Pokemon Trainer, Master of all 18 Pokemon types could stop them... but when the world needed him most.... He VANISHED. 100 years later, me and my brother found the New avatar. A Fire Trainer named Red. Although his Training skills are great, he's still got a lot to learn before he's actually ready to save anyone. My brother thinks I'm crazy, but I believe Red could save the world. *insert mixture of Pokemon and avatar theme*
Type: Null being in Sword and Shield imply that it happens after the events of Sun and Moon since before that only three existed and were all locked away at the Aether Foundation.
The Pokedex implies that the plans were stolen and more were later created. "Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the Galar region." -Pokemon Sword
Just a correction for minute 6:20 It's not that they come from worlds where the protagonist was defeated. They come from worlds where they were never opposed by anyone. As you battle them they say stuff like "would things have been different in my world if a trainer like you had appeared?". So it's not like the Zelda timeline with a specific line for the defeated hero, they come from timelines without heroes. Some fans have the nice theory that every single cartridge is its own universe, its own version of the multiverse, and therefore canon. If that is to be the case, these evil bosses that succeeded in their worlds come from cartridges that were never sold or werent played to that point of the story.
"would things have been different in my world if a trainer like you had appeared?" this sentence doesn't cancel out that there was a hero but they defeated the hero.
@@jeffboy4231 You might be right. Maybe "Would things have been different in my world if a trainer like you had appeared?" means that a trainer DID appear but couldn't defeat them, unlike the player character.
This makes sense because you can trade pokemon between Pokémon XY and OR/AS and that could be like some weird time travel/dimension hopping that does, right? And if I remember correctly you couldn’t mega evolve when battling against someone from X and Y or something?
honestly let's go doesn't have to be it's own timeline, bc unless i'm mistaken it can just happen on the mega timeline ~5 years before sun/moon, which would justify mina's age (presumably ~13 in LGPE and ~18 in USUM) and also make sense that red and blue are older. It doesn't necessarily have to happen parallel to the original gen 1 games, given both the originals and remakes happened on a different timeline
You covered a ton of content in a very small amount of time, while still being well organized and understandable. Thank you for your time making it and willingness to share. :)
Porygon can be caught in the wild in the SwSh DLC meaning it takes place after the events of RBGY/RSE. Tech is basically confirmed to be advancing, as people now have smart phones instead of PokeGears. Rotom is now incorporated into more elements of home life through smart phones, computers and more and during SM it's mentioned how they wanted to expand rotoms uses outside of the rotom Dex. This would place SwSh after SM/USUM. Now the only issue is which timeline it takes place in. With no Megas, its looking like the original timeline. You'd expect a region so heavily rooted in competition would use every edge they could to win a battle, so Megas would be used if they existed... But then again, the game isn't done yet. We'll have to wait and see if Megas are added in a later patch.
tbh, i doubt Porygon in the wild in SWSH is any indication, since you can catch Porygon in the wild in Lets Go as well (Which means it suggests SWSH is on the same timeline as Lets Go). They just want to make some Pokemon more accesible (Which is evident in Sword and Shield, since you can catch Trade evolutions and stone evolutions in the wild, which previously was impossible for some Pokemon).
I feel removing Megas in this game is just a retcon they never really thought about and just a gameplay choice to give Dynamaxing its own spotlight. I think Pokemon are just making games in the Mega timeline from now on so as to not complicate the timeline anymore and removing any references is them trying to less complicate it as just a singular game on its own. It makes sense though that SWSH would be in the Mega timeline after SM as the advancing technology is said to be more widespread in this timeline and Rotom tech would be incorporated after the Rotom tech advancements, compared to the Non mega timeline not having as much technology.
I think it's just that they decided not to use mega evolutions, because they already have dynamax, so it would be in the mega timeline, but without megas
They had time machines in gen 2 and were resurrecting fossils and making porygon all the way in gen 1. Them not having smart phones is a matter of aesthetics.
Oras,the delta episode, that draconid zinnia said that there is an alternate universe where mega evolution doesn't exist, so that support your timeline split
Well... pokemon battle royal explaination shows during the weapon's blast that made mega evolution out of countless pokemon's energy it ended up charging a group a orbiting meteors which leads to the meteor crashing in hoehn years ago. It gave off the same energy that lead all the megas in ORAS. But now that you think about it.... if mega evolution is spread throughout multiple regions thanks to these meteors... then would the DP remakes have megas since veilstone city actually has meteors in that city. Could megas been in BW all this time thanks to the meteorite in the museum, and why we have mega audino? Just a little theory
@Brent Mueller ..but still i would not call these "alternative timelines". Instead some like dimensions make sense with guzlord's domain "Ultra ruins" and how in both ultra wilds and ultra ruins is actually super creepy if you play the song in reverse... ...yea...plus maybe these dimensions are like how we have these "alternatives timelines" like explained in the video... But i think of them as sorta... "what if" or "another world" ...since timeline just doesn't make sense and feel good to me... [Lets just drop this im just saying since of not causing a fight.]
I like it when game companies don’t intend to have a difficult timeline but they end up making it as convoluted as humanly possible to trigger the theorists. Like almost every big Nintendo franchise.
Just some thoughts about the Pokemon timelines I've had over the years. In Heartgold and Soulsilver, Steven introduces himself as THE champion of Hoenn, meaning Emerald cannot share the same timeline as HGSS. In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, Steven wants Wallace to become the champion, this may be a desire shared across other timelines. This would allow Ruby and Sapphire to share the same timeline as Black 2 and White 2 as it explains how Wallace is a champion in Gen 5's PWT. With that said, I don't think Emerald can be written off as non-canon since it ties into Gen 7. The Battle Frontier theme plays for Annabel even in Gen 7 implying she came from a timeline where she was a frontier brain, and of course the Battle Frontier didn't exist in RS. So its hard to accept which of the Gen 3 games are cannon and just say that even the Original Timeline is split in two. Also in Gen 5, Cynthia briefly mentions the events of the Distortion World, allowing only Platinum to share the same timeline as Gen 5. Finally Let's Go does belong in a corner as the video explains. Its so hard to fit that game to even a new parallel timeline that I'm just convinced Game Freak doesn't care anymore, and frankly neither did I at that point.
I think the best way to see RS and E's situation is to think that the events of Brandon/May conquering the Gym Badges, the League and defeating the Evil Team(s) occur just tiny bit later in Emerald as compared to Ruby/Sapphire. Like... everything in the Emerald timeline happens at the exact same time as the Ruby/Sapphire timeline, EXCEPT Steven has basically JUST left the role of Champion (giving it to Wallace) and the Battle Frontier is at least in the making and is finished and open by the end of the main Emerald plot. Other than that, everything happens exactly like Ruby timewise.
Pokemon Puzzle League takes place in the timeline where Cyrus succeeds in reconstructing the universe into a perfect form. That's why Pokemon Puzzle League is the only game remaining on that timeline.
Upon watching this video and afterwards replaying Pokémon X I actually discovered that Professor Sycamore asks himself at one point "why are mega evolutions only in kalos" which makes me think it can also be in the non-mega timeline
@@Vckobra66 bruv. They literally say "I wonder why this only happens in Kalos". If it was happening in Hoenn, they'd probably at least sneak that in as an easter egg before ORAS came out.
The Japanese text about Mina's age (13~15才くらいの見た目) in the Let's Go games means she look like 13-15, not that she is, they could mean that she looks mature while still being a little girl So the Let's Go games could still be in the Mega Timeline actually
@@책쪼아먹는학헌 yeah like 3 years later right before red goes off to the mountain in gen 2 that would place a 13 year old mina at exactly 20 meaning that she would be finishing her time as a captain during sun and moon
@@nickdentoom1173 I kinda feel like that’s just art style though. Everyone looks the same age unless they have grey hair in let’s go. All we have to go off on age is actions. I can’t really say if red and blue were mature but they seemed ‘strong’ if that’s the right word.
Definitely a solid possibility. People who are frail in health may not grow the same amount as others. He also could just be short because of genetics. Who knows?
Technically, Third versions: Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, Ultra Sun/Moon should take place in a different timeline where the events happened differently with different elements.
Yeah, for example we have lot of new features in Emerald which was not in the original R/S games so the fact that our character can meet Rayray, we have different champion there, and player's character invited to the Battle Frontier Island is a proof that third version timeline are all somewhat different than the original versions thus they are a different/paralell timeline on they own.
Technically, even the two original versions should take place in different timelines regarding each other. Like events of Ruby cannot occur in the same universe as events of Sapphire.
Gold and Silver could be considered sequels to Pokémon Yellow specifically and in a separate timeline from Red and Blue, given that Red has all three starters and his main Pokémon is Pikachu.
@@DuskLegend I would not call it "lazy". They have so much to think about. They have designs to make, graphics, gameplay mechanics, characters, etc. to plan and they have to do so while being limited by the Pokemon Company because they have to launch the new game the moment a new generation begins. And let's be honest, the anime with Ash still being 10 after so many travels is incoherant as hell, so the fact that the games have even a bit of coherence between them, even if they resort to alternate timelines, is something I'm grateful for. Wally's unaged appearance in SM is just stupid though. If only he wasn't there. I would've preferred Steven. (And as fanfiction maniac, the fact they keep some things vague is perfect for adjustments in the settings)
Justin Arney X and Y can only be explained by another universe. Santalune Forest is literally Viridian Forest exactly, Mewtwo exists in a cave in Kalos despite having been man-made in Kanto, not to even mention the two Mewtwo-ites, a supposedly naturally occurring stone which reacts with a man-made Pokemon but not the one it’s based off? It broke a lot.
I know this was 7 months ago, but this is addressed in game. Motonari has dialogue where he mentions that in "distant regions" people use pokéballs, meaning that Ransei is just disconnected from the rest of the world.
I can’t wait for EVERYSINGLE POKETUBER to react to this. Also abt the Let’s Go timeline this is my theory. I feel it is in the mega timeline.In the mega world Blue did not become the champion Red did as soon as he defeated Lance this is because Lance himself says they want to change it up and now Chase or Elaine will fight the champion for the throne which u couldn’t earlier so that means blue lost to Lance and then Red became bored so he left being the champion and gave that up so that he can make his own little gang called Master Trainers also it is mentioned by Blue that Pokédexes did not exist and they had to use maps and Oak used that info to make Pokedexes which means Let’s go happened before Oras as all the professors use Oaks Pokedex idea and make their own versions.Also Sword and Shield is in Non Mega timeline as there r more references to other regions like a girl in hulbury says these trains remind her of the Unova region’s trains and wants to ride them. Also nobody mentions mega Pokemon and gamefreak said no more games will have that feature so it’s safe to assume that every game from now forth is in the non mega timeline except remakes like the sinnoh ones they will have mega in them
Actually Sword and Shield are in the Mega Timeline, as they reference that there was a "Darkest Day" 3000 years ago in Galar, which happens to be the same time as the Kalos War and AZ firing the Ultimate Weapon.
@@Hebiiiii1 I know, but there are still connections between the two. Dynamax energy seems to have a link to the overflow of natural energy in Alola 3000 years ago from Ultra Necrozma that gave rise to Z-Moves, and to AZ firing the ultimate weapon to end the Kalos War, releasing life energy into Kalos and giving rise to Mega Evolution.
The reason that Wally is younger in Sun and Moon is because (for unknown reasons) Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire take place around 10 years AFTER the time that the original RSE occur in the original timeline, and around the same time as X and Y. The main characters and Wally are born later and Team Aqua/Magma carry out their scheme later than in the original timeline. Call it a butterfly effect caused by the existence of megas if you will. The biggest evidence for this is Mauville. In the originals, Watson says he has plans to renovate his small city, but in the remakes, he has carried out his plan. You could make a counter argument and say that in the remakes the battle frontier is not built yet, but it also didn’t exist in the original Ruby and Sapphire. I also think Let’s Go takes place in the mega timeline. Mina could be 9 or 10 in let’s go for all we know, and 19 in Sun and Moon and that would check out. We have seen trainers younger than 10 before.
SwSh are in the same timeline as Let's Go, because of the npc who gives you Pikachu if you played Let's Go Pikachu, and Eevee if you played Eevee. But because of Kabu, the Hoenn region must also exist.
Yep. In LGPE Red and his friends are basically just really talented Trainers that already had their journey before any of the Team Rocket stuff happened, so Chase/Elaine stopped Team Rocket instead. Blue actually gets (very minimally) involved so in LGPE Blue is (very, very marginally) more of a hero than Red, in the same sense that 0.001 is a larger number than 0.
This is something that really bugs me about Let's Go. Like, what did they become so well-known for if not taking down Team Rocket? It's left really vague...
@@EpicNerdsWithCameras blue still beat the elite 4 and became champion and red still beat blur and resigned his position as champion, following a few year time skip blue became the 8th gym leader. That’s why there’re famous
I have a theory that the Let’s Go games take place in the Mega Timeline before or at the same time as ORAS and Pokémon Origins takes place before them because in Pokémon Origins, Red doesn’t defeat Team Rocket and Mega Evolution does exist. That meant that, whatever their names are, defeated Team Rocket instead. But, you might think this isn’t true because in Pokémon Origins, Red picks a Charamander, not a Bulbusuar. But! I think there was an alternate version of Pokémon Origins where Red picked a Bulbusuar. So ya, that’s my theory.
I was about to argue, but then I realized that even though Team Plasma’s PETA thing was really just a cover for a world domination quest, their kill rate is probably still lower than PETA’s 🙃
@@wildfire9280 I don't even think evil teams in Pokemon actually kill anyone. Yeah, a lot of them wanted to destroy the world, but they always failed and never actually ended up killing someone. Only deaths I can really remember in Pokemon is Ash dying twice, (First Movie & I Choose You) Pikachu dying, (Diancie) Latias dying, (Heroes) Snoutland dying, (SM Season 1) and Meowth dying numerous times by mimiku. (Entire SM series) The only deaths that really stuck was Snountland in SM and Latias on heroes. Everyone else was just revived. In reality, Rainbow Cyrus has the highest kill rate since he eliminated all life in the universe (easily quadrillions of deaths) with the second highest being Lysander. (Billions of deaths, due to all the humans and pokemon he supposedly killed with Ultima Weapon.)
if we are talking about the lore yea but if we're talking about the placements they are easy as long we don't include the mobile game because as far as I know we still don't know where they take place post key blade war
It pretty much easy to explain what happens in the timeline but the lore itself is headache infusing Kh X. And union Kh dark road Kh birth by sleep Kh fragmentary passage =Kh 1 Kh chain of memories = kh days Kh 2 = kh recoded Kh dream drop distant Kh 3 = Kh remind Kh melody of memory
Every player's game being its own timeline really feeds into that original Red/Blue mentality of the devs wanting to connect everyone. There's a real charm to it.
It was the same case for the Legend of Zelda, before the fans forced the Hyrule Historia to add a timeline, which Nintendo hated so much that they made Breath of the Wild in the far future, long after the timeline stuff has become irrelevant... But if Nintendo wanted stray from the timeline, why did they give Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity ,a game that presents the same dilemma of Ocarina of Time (Time Travel), a green light?
@@sakuguruxgxxshorts308 The Zelda one is actually a thing pushed by the fans as a comment said above so they made one without great conviction. And Zelda is a serie made by Nintendo themselves while Pokemon isn't
The link between Gens 1 and 3 is flat-out stated in FireRed/LeafGreen when you give Bill the Ruby and Sapphire and he says "I've made contact with Lanette from the Hoenn region!"
That's crazy that there was a timeline jump of a character from OG Timeline Emerald to Mega Timeline Sun/Moon, describes as washing up on the shore, which is the exact story of Legends Arceus, washing up on the shores of Hisui from the Diamond and Pearl timeline, along with Ichigo from BW
Actually, there is one piece of timeline evidence that exists in SwSh, and that’s the Type: Null you can get in the postgame. It was apparently created using the plans stolen from Alola, so it either takes place after or during Sun and Moon/Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, though obviously not on the Mega timeline.
"Porygon dex entry in Sun and Moon says it's been created roughly around 20 Years ago" And you know why? Because roughly 20 IRL-years earlier Pokemon Red and Green were released. Sun and Moon were, quite literally, the celebration of Pokémon's 20th Birtday. It was 2016 after all, no surprise Red Blue and even Giovanni played a big role in Gen7. Not only that... Red's shirt has a big "96" on it... meaning: I think Red's exactly 20yo in Sun and Moon. He was 11 when he started -> +3yrs from gen1 to gen2 -> +2yrs between BW and BW2 -> +2yrs between BW2 and SM = 18 (11+7) But... We're not taking into account the time skip and the fact that we still need him to be 2yrs older... and... said 2 yrs might exactly be the timeskip from Gen4 and BW. Case closed. BUT! Said timeskip could still be 3yrs. Why? Because in the US version Red is said to be 11 but to us (in UE) Red was said to be 10... Does anyone know what age was stated in the Japanese handbook? Either way, 2-3yrs is still the very best bet.
Red's at least mid-late 20's by swsh. He was 11 in gen 1/3, 14 in gen 2/4, somewhere between 16 and 19 in bw, 18-21 in bw2/xy, gen 7 seems to be after xy, and swsh are guaranteed to be some time after gen 7 (porygon's timeline, type:null's timeline, the new rotom dex in gen 7 being a staple household appliance in gen 8). Red's probably in his 30s by now, realistically speaking.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 As you might expect from my previous comment, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. We do know that more than 7yrs have passed from gen1 to gen 7. We can't actually and accurately determine the canon-timeskip between gen4 and gen5. So almost any guess is equally valid. This being said, it would've been really weird if a 10yrs jump actually occurs here - we've always had 2-3years skips between the various games. Not to mention Caitlin doesn't seem to be 10yrs older in BW. Hence, personally, I still think that a correlation with the irl Red's birthday is fairly acceptable - and the fact that this would lower the gen4to5 skip to a more reasonable 2-ish years makes the whole thing feel more believable. In my opinion.
@@kanpaifighto Except, Oblivia and Alola cannot coexist with each other... as they are literally the same region... except one is in a Ranger game, and the other in a Mainline game... and the two regions look nothing alike and have different names ... though Time Travel does get used in Oblivia a lot... so it might have made itself not exist by accident...
Katrina Payne well, Fiore is literally just part of the western edge of Sinnoh, so it’s possible it’s just a different part or a sub-section or the such. That, or Guardian Signs isn’t canon haha.
@@kanpaifighto Or that Rangers is its OWN timeline... this opens up to Pokemon TCG and Pokemon Card 2: Here Comes Great Rocket to being in their own timeline as well
Katrina Payne but there’s actually Pokémon Rangers in the mainline games...like, everything about it is compatible. The TCG universe wouldn’t make sense as a separate timeline since Pokemon aren’t actually considered to...well, exist, other than as trading cards in that world. It would have to be it’s own thing completely unrelated. Lump it in with Trozei :p
With scarlet and violet coming out with seemingly motifs of past and future, hopefully they hint more on these parallel timelines. A longshot, but would be dope.
"Oh! Member of Team Rocket I was, long time gone! But Team Rocket bye-bye a go-go. I my region went home. Make new Team Rocket, I did! So myself I pledged! But now I married am. Now for Team Rocket there is no time by me. But happy family is big hooray!" ...So, how do we put this in the main timeline? 🤔
Considering he talks like the one in gen 2, and he has a daughter that's neither a preschooler nor a 10+ year old (she uses the little girl sprite, not the other two), more than 2 years. Admittedly i had him pegged for one of the gen 1 rockets that quit before gen 2, but seeing the quote has me convinced he's the kanto rocket in gen 2 - which means bw has to take place a minimum of 5 years after gen 2 - not gen 1. So it's actually somwhere between 7-10-ish years after gen 1, rather than the 5-8-ish years i previously thought.
Who knew there is a Multiverse of Madness right here in Pokemon.... MY head is spinning just from listening to this. How in the world did it all make sense to you. Also I am subscribing. I hope you gain more and more subscribers because you clearly deserve it and your vids are really fun to watch and so is the art.
It’ll be even harder to place Sword and Shield now that we have every previous Legendary appearing in the Max Lair, IN ADDITION to every Ultra Beast. Thanks Crown Tundra...
Me: hey, do y'know what the story isa behind pokemon and how call the mainline games connect? Chase Kip: to talk about that, we need to talk about: parallel universes.
Pokemon can cross universes/timelines, like transferring from Ruby/Sapphire to Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire. In fact, that's essentially what trading is: a Pokemon transferring across a parallel universe. Every save file is technically its own universe. The Pokemon Timeline presented here is more on a macro scale to simplify it.
in pokemon masters, theres some old dialougue for the 3 month anniversary that states that SWSH are happening at the same time, and masters takes after all the mainline games, BUT this is in a different timeline, so masters and SWSH takes place at the same time (the end of an completely different timeline) at least this is my theory.
@@zjzr08 Some of them are. For example Cyrus. However, the original timeline of Pokemon Masters is different than that of any games, as Red can Mega Evolve his Charizard so he isn't from the FRLG timeline, and defeated Giovanni, so he isn't from LGPE even, since LGPE is, weirdly enough, considered a Main Game, so it is the equivalent of FRLG in Mega Universe.
I’m glad you considered the enhanced versions and remakes as to be placed with the originals. I get there the non-mega and mega timeline split as well Let’s Go prolly being its own new timeline, but some people still split SM/USUM or even remakes as there own for some reason even tho their the same, just some new added elements. Technically all cartridges are their own universe, but that’s complicating things more than what they need too. The way you put is very well.
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Splatoon 3 when? Or they could just bring back splatfests I mean IDK why they even stopped splatfests like that was the best part of the game and the only assumption we had that they stopped them in the first place is because maybe the next game would be announced soon but now apparently we are getting a mario splatfest? Like if they still want people excited for spalattytoon wouldn't you think that keepping the game active all the way up to the release of Splatoon 3 would make more sense than dropping the best mechanic of the game?
Also apparently I wrote 3+2+2=5 at both 4:11 and 4:56...
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My theory on the timeline is that Dialga was making lunch but he accidentally spilled his apple juice on the time line and he was like whatever ill just make another one over here
Dialga is such a clumsy pokemon
And the fact that we have a time web alludes to the fact that he does this every day but never learns.
@@gravity1537 dammit dialga
@@catsthatsmokemeth He's doing his best don't judge him.
god dammit dialga, stop spilling your mega evolution biscuits over your timelines
Honestly it’s pretty obvious that gamefreak never intended to make a cohesive timeline. It’s just odd that they decide to put old characters into new games and say that they’re x years older than they were before, because that just begs fans to try to put a timeline together
Yeah
Actually they did. Except dumbass fans kept asking for remakes and Gamefreak decided to keep moving the timeline around because of it. If you played Gen 3 and 4. It worked well because both Gen 1 and 2 happened parallel to 3 and 4. it all started getting fucked up when Gen 3 remake happened and they decided to have that run parallel to Gen 6.
Well, they did but i think they gave up come gen 6 onwards
The game timeline is more confusing than the anime timeline.
Sounds about right☝️
I kind of feel like Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon has its own little alternate timeline. The story, while largely enough is the same, still manages to have its own differences. It's not a case of Emerald or Platinum where the story is expanded upon, but it changes just enough to warrant it to separate from Sun and Moon.
Didn’t sun and moon come out yesterday why is there an ultra
@@molinj.7174 That was like 3 years ago
@@molinj.7174 @josé I hate to break it to you guys, but Sun and Moon were released more than six years ago.
Nintendo and Gamefreak: I know you have a lot of questions about the timelines, but in order to answer those questions, we have to talk about P A R A L L E L U N I V E R S E S
Every copy of Pokemon is personalized
Wouldn't dialga and palkia somehow be involved at that point?
@@johnsferrazza1557 Well yeah. If there are new universes then of course the gods of time and space are gonna be involved
@Davi Gameplayer Hoped someone would :)
"marios, king kopper kidnapped the princess and stole my eggs"
People who are recommending Kingdom Hearts wants to see this guy suffer.
nah, the lore is pretty easy.
so basically darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness light darkness light light darkness light light darkness light light darkness darkness darkness darkness light darkness light light darkness light light darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness and light.
a fish true
Ayeeeee I was the one first who recommended it in his pikmin vid lets goooo!
as somebody who has said this, I can confirm. We want to watch him suffer.
KH has a complex plot but the timeline isnt hard to understand.
Don’t forget that game freak confirmed that each and every player’s save file is a separate canon universe :)
To be fair, that could sort of be said with almost any game. Not really a huge leap.
@@FlamingFoxProd THere's a difference between unoficially implying it to be canon and outright saying it is actually canon.
@@zebimicio5204 Yeah no shit, I'm just saying it makes sense and doesn't actually matter that much
@@FlamingFoxProd you implued that every game could be said like that, my whole point was it wasnt. If the creator said it is is canon, then it is. Therefore, if they ther games don't have their developers backing up that statement, then no it is not "the same"
Also there was even a dialogue about this in the game itself, which makes it more established than whatever you tried to imply here.
Tbh that's really sweet. It's like they are officially saying like "you are the main character and your individualized save file *is* important. And I appreciate that.
I prefer the simplicity of how the manga does it. It’s all one timeline and there is a definite passage of time with the original characters aging. As far as I can remember, Mega Evolutions are introduced as this cool new thing and left at that. The remakes are also still part of the timeline, but are extensions of the original story. The best example is probably Emerald when all the main cast come together Avengers style.
I think E4 as bunch of villains is anticlimatic idea
Playing pokemon: *smol brain*
Knowing pokemons lore: *big brain*
Knowing pokemons timeline: *MEGA BRAIN*
It takes a LOT of patience to learn how to properly state the Pokémon timeline.
Should I catch a growlithe would it be a good pokemon to have
My brain is expanding to infinity
@@rjhubbard5392 yes it is its evolution is super cool
I know all of this and all theory too
All we know about Sword and Shield is that it takes place after the creation of Porygon... that’s about it
And its evolutions, meaning that it _possibly_ takes place before gens 2 and 4.
Sword and Shield doesn’t have mega evolution, so it probably fits in the original timeline somewhere.
@@slimeofnerds5837 true
Well, i don't know if stuf from Masters counts, but there Iris says "I guess it runs in my family. One of my cousins is Leon, champion of the Gallar region"
And sinze that's champion Iris then SwSh could be at arond the same time as B2W2
@@matt6157 Well the games also say that dynamax and gigantamax are solely unique to Galar, so it could also just be that.
The best part is, you can see in Red's character model that Sun and Moon takes place 20 years after Gen 1.
Which is perfect as Sun and Moon were the 20th Anniversary games.
Wdym in his character model? He looks fresh out of Uni that man is no older than 25
@@timdoe8895 probably a reference to the fact his shirt in Sun and Moon features a stylized 96 on it (similar to sports shirts) which is a reference to the year Red and Green versions initially released.
That being said it doesn’t actually mean Sun and moon take place 20 years later, as that would make red and blue/green 31 years old, when their clearly only in their early 20s.
On a related note, there IS a theory that Sun and Moon are actually in the LGPE timeline, as unlike in their intro in the PWT in BW2, red and blue are only referred to as “previous champions from the Kanto region” with no mention of Red’s role in defeating team rocket. The implication then being the Red and Blue from SM/USUM are actually the older versions of the LGPE npc versions.
So Black and White are 13 years after Generations 2/4?
He was 10 in Gen 1, and looks about 20-ish in Gen 7, so it seems more likely that it's a 10 year gap between the first and seventh gens
@@boianko Red was actually 11 in Gen 1
You can make a Timeline out of anything, because everything has to have some sort of Timeline. So that's nothing special. The better question is: did the creators consider the Timeline and thought about it in the creation process. If the Timeline that the fans are trying to reconstruct gets as complex as this one - I think it's safe to say that the answer to that is "no".
thats correct, maybe because they didnt consider it would be a big hit. Many IP's were launched on the game boy classic/game boy color and didnt made it to this date. Pokemon and among other few, were "the chosen ones" maybe with the power of anime (for pokemon that became a boom for it on the west) or maybe tru heavy marketing (what happened to mario/zelda franchise)
Granted, but if the devs continually add recurring characters, and even a character like Ingo into Legends Arceus (who was from BW). Then we can also assume, that yes they do consider a linear timeline. The multiple timeline theories are to me less viable than it just being a single timeline, i.e. the remakes are just remakes and they may or may not add to the lore what the developers didn't get to. Game mechanics shouldn't (in my opinion) be considered.
But that's the fun part you dork
Given the existence of Annabel? I'd say they know what they're doing. (Except Wally)
Gen 6 has referenced the original timeline once in omega ruby and alpha sapphire. It was the Rayquaza girl specifically who mentions it.
The day this guy does Kingdom Hearts is the day he ascends to legend-hood.
when he does blazblue as well
There's actually a guy named Barry Kramer who suffered that very fate.
@@joshuanguyen8928 Kingdom Hearts broke him
at least kingdom hearts is only one timeline (for now)
He can Team up with the crunchy roll dude who did the Evangelion timeline :D
Fun fact: It’s a canon fact that every single Pokémon cartridge is a parallel dimension.
*"Hehehe, I am already 4 quadruple parallel universes ahead of you."* - Speedrunner Mario
It would make much more sense, so like in the Ruby timeline, team Magma awakens Groudon but it is caught, and in the Omega Ruby timeline, team Magma awakens Primal Groudon but it is caught anyways.
Ok so in Sapphire and Alpha Sapphire is the same but replace it
Same with dark souls
@@FiveDallaHalla I see you are a person of exquisite culture.
It’s not even that simple. Every SAVE FILE is a separate universe.
Dialga: Hey... Hey Palkia. You know what would be funny...
Palkia: If we made an alternate timeline where mega stone exist?
Dialga: You know it bro! Let's do it!
Palkia: Should we ask Arceus first?
Dialga: He doesn't need to know! We'll be fine.
*Approximately 2 minutes later*
Arceus: YOU GUYS WHAT THE ACTUAL FU-
This is the best shit i have seen in 3 weeks
Palkia and Dialga did not make the mega timeline AZ created a laser that split the dimensions infinitly
*que the opening of mega evo Sinnoh remakes
BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE MEGA STONES
@@bigsecretofind it was a joke c'mon dude
I have the feeling Legends: Arceus will have a major impact on the timeline, I have a theory that that game will be the first game playing out on one of the "evil team victorious" timelines!
Not sure why but seems plausible
I honestly want more games that happen between Gen 2/4 and 5.2 games, cuz there's definitely a MASSIVE time-skip.
Well, kinda?
sorry all it did was create a time loop paradox 💀
Welp turns out it's a god-damn isekai AND it takes place in the past but also there's already rideable pokemon in Alola
Edit: Oh and also Porygon appearently exists, even though ti was supposed to have been created 20 years before sun/moon, so I guess that means PLA takes place 20 years before sun/moon
okay great now i won’t be able to sleep
Why. Also love your content
Hi kandyrew.
Me too 😔
what are u doing here 😂
Ayeeeee Kandy!
“No one knows where in the timeline it takes place”
*Breath of the Wild flashbacks intensify*
Ha never heard that one before
pokemon: has split timeline
the legend of Zelda series: hey thats illegal
Well you can add that every copy of a pokemon game is it's own universe
Hinted at in oras postgame story and supported by multiple legendairies and mythicals
@@lschnitzer7770 isn't that the same thing with EVERY video game
@@keithflippers4429 well the only difference is that it is technically canon
@@lschnitzer7770 I'll explain it like this you play mario but don't hurt any enemies that is a alternative time line all games are like that
that is very true
The thing is, with different timelines that influence thousands of years, it's to be expected that slight differences in ages of normal characters in the original timeline. Because of the introduction of something as influential as Mega Evolution, something like some parents deciding to have a baby earlier or later than they would in the original timeline wouldn't be too surprising. This explains why some characters are in Mega timeline but not in original, and why some are different ages. In fact, it's amazing that they ended up so similar to the original timeline, given how much things should've changed.
My dude red was just searching for mew. You know, the mew that lives in a jungle. Yeah he thought he would find it on mount everest
He just needed to fly away from a trainer encounter smh
Red and few of the hero's were turned into status in the fight with mew two in the manga pokemon adventures.
@@MandeepSingh-wi5oc And Red battles a Mew right off bat in chapter 1. This manga is amazing
Nah man. It's under the bus.
Idk what you're talking about.
@@head_snapss7587 I didn't say new WASNT hiding under a truck/bus, just that my boi mews prolly in the rainforest
So happy that you've grown as fast as you have. Your content rocks!
thanks !
But can we get to 69k sub?
It really does he deserves it can’t wait to see the future also can’t wait to be here when he reaches 100k
Plot twist: He hasn’t grown, his current timeline is parallel to when he started, it was proven by PorygonZ.
The most beautiful Charizard 🤩🤩😍
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I would love to see the metroid series explained by this epic youtube channel
Me too
And this time it wouldn't ne a Time-Cross Word puzzle or Timeweb.
Metroid timeline is simple.
Ya that would be cool the good thing is Metroid timeline is allot easier to understand and the theoretical timelines are extremely solid and would make a good video
Me too because even tho I know nothing about the series super metroid is my favourite snes game
I second this request
Now we need a video explaining the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon timeline! I know it’s definitely more linear than the main timeline, but I think it would be fun to examine it regardless.
For one thing, the Mystery Dungeon games take place in the distant past, before humans even existed.
"When they needed Red, he disappeared. But a new trainer rose to defend the region."
So pretty much Ethan is the Wind Waker Link of Pokèmon. 😂
And also the Avatar.
Master of all six Pokémons(in his hand)
water..Fire..Ground..Flying..Rock...Fairy..Ghost..Normal..Electric..Psychic..(every other pokemon type)
my grandmother used to tell me stories about the olden days, the time of peace between all 18 Pokemon types.
That is... until TEAM ROCKET attacked..
Only the Pokemon Trainer, Master of all 18 Pokemon types could stop them... but when the world needed him most.... He VANISHED.
100 years later, me and my brother found the New avatar. A Fire Trainer named Red. Although his Training skills are great, he's still got a lot to learn before he's actually ready to save anyone.
My brother thinks I'm crazy, but I believe Red could save the world.
*insert mixture of Pokemon and avatar theme*
Type: Null being in Sword and Shield imply that it happens after the events of Sun and Moon since before that only three existed and were all locked away at the Aether Foundation.
Or they could have been made in an alternate time-line that doesn't exist as a game, but in which tyoe null was created
Gladion gave your protagonist type null in sun and moon and gladion stole it so someone else could have also
The Pokedex implies that the plans were stolen and more were later created. "Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the Galar region." -Pokemon Sword
Emperor Emboar oh I have not read it and I have sword so I should check
Emperor Emboar ok so I checked and you are absolutely right
Just a correction for minute 6:20
It's not that they come from worlds where the protagonist was defeated. They come from worlds where they were never opposed by anyone. As you battle them they say stuff like "would things have been different in my world if a trainer like you had appeared?". So it's not like the Zelda timeline with a specific line for the defeated hero, they come from timelines without heroes.
Some fans have the nice theory that every single cartridge is its own universe, its own version of the multiverse, and therefore canon. If that is to be the case, these evil bosses that succeeded in their worlds come from cartridges that were never sold or werent played to that point of the story.
So when we trade pokemon they go to a completely different universe?
"would things have been different in my world if a trainer like you had appeared?" this sentence doesn't cancel out that there was a hero but they defeated the hero.
@@CarlosIvanFocus Unless it's an in-game trade with an NPC, yes, it's a different universe.
@@jeffboy4231 You might be right. Maybe "Would things have been different in my world if a trainer like you had appeared?" means that a trainer DID appear but couldn't defeat them, unlike the player character.
This makes sense because you can trade pokemon between Pokémon XY and OR/AS and that could be like some weird time travel/dimension hopping that does, right? And if I remember correctly you couldn’t mega evolve when battling against someone from X and Y or something?
honestly let's go doesn't have to be it's own timeline, bc unless i'm mistaken it can just happen on the mega timeline ~5 years before sun/moon, which would justify mina's age (presumably ~13 in LGPE and ~18 in USUM) and also make sense that red and blue are older.
It doesn't necessarily have to happen parallel to the original gen 1 games, given both the originals and remakes happened on a different timeline
“Pokemon soon” 3:16 yes my favorite Pokémon game
It's Combined (Sun + moon = soon) xd
@@iwanttodiesoimgoinghome218 woooosh
pokemon whack
@@Zero-ontheleft bruh you did it wrong
its r/woooosh
@@doggy4916 thanks bro
Dang, this timeline is more screwed up than Zelda's timeline
@Avinash Anand ofc
@Avinash Anand yes
then you havent seen the FNAF timeline
@@MrcreeperDXD777 nope
@@sakuguruxgxxshorts308 that timeline is even more whack than both the zelda and pokemon timeline combined lol
What the hell kind of time controlling being is Ash then?
Ever watch the anime? Dude's immortal.
@@joneydew4739 like Timmy Turner
Time web.......
maybe every season we see is some alternate timeline. Thats why we dont see any Johto Region pokemon in Kanto Region
I mean dude's being forever 10 year old so yea
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Porygon can be caught in the wild in the SwSh DLC meaning it takes place after the events of RBGY/RSE.
Tech is basically confirmed to be advancing, as people now have smart phones instead of PokeGears.
Rotom is now incorporated into more elements of home life through smart phones, computers and more and during SM it's mentioned how they wanted to expand rotoms uses outside of the rotom Dex.
This would place SwSh after SM/USUM.
Now the only issue is which timeline it takes place in.
With no Megas, its looking like the original timeline. You'd expect a region so heavily rooted in competition would use every edge they could to win a battle, so Megas would be used if they existed...
But then again, the game isn't done yet. We'll have to wait and see if Megas are added in a later patch.
tbh, i doubt Porygon in the wild in SWSH is any indication, since you can catch Porygon in the wild in Lets Go as well (Which means it suggests SWSH is on the same timeline as Lets Go). They just want to make some Pokemon more accesible (Which is evident in Sword and Shield, since you can catch Trade evolutions and stone evolutions in the wild, which previously was impossible for some Pokemon).
I feel removing Megas in this game is just a retcon they never really thought about and just a gameplay choice to give Dynamaxing its own spotlight. I think Pokemon are just making games in the Mega timeline from now on so as to not complicate the timeline anymore and removing any references is them trying to less complicate it as just a singular game on its own. It makes sense though that SWSH would be in the Mega timeline after SM as the advancing technology is said to be more widespread in this timeline and Rotom tech would be incorporated after the Rotom tech advancements, compared to the Non mega timeline not having as much technology.
I really......really wish they could give us back Mega-Evolution.
I think it's just that they decided not to use mega evolutions, because they already have dynamax, so it would be in the mega timeline, but without megas
They had time machines in gen 2 and were resurrecting fossils and making porygon all the way in gen 1. Them not having smart phones is a matter of aesthetics.
Seems legit
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Oras,the delta episode, that draconid zinnia said that there is an alternate universe where mega evolution doesn't exist, so that support your timeline split
That should be the universe of R/S/E
Zinnia makes me wish i could be in the alternate universe where Zinnia doesn't exist.
Imagine how nice that would be.
Well... pokemon battle royal explaination shows during the weapon's blast that made mega evolution out of countless pokemon's energy it ended up charging a group a orbiting meteors which leads to the meteor crashing in hoehn years ago. It gave off the same energy that lead all the megas in ORAS.
But now that you think about it.... if mega evolution is spread throughout multiple regions thanks to these meteors... then would the DP remakes have megas since veilstone city actually has meteors in that city.
Could megas been in BW all this time thanks to the meteorite in the museum, and why we have mega audino? Just a little theory
@Brent Mueller ..but still i would not call these "alternative timelines".
Instead some like dimensions make sense with guzlord's domain
"Ultra ruins" and how in both ultra wilds and ultra ruins is actually super creepy if you play the song in reverse... ...yea...plus maybe these dimensions are like how we have these "alternatives timelines" like explained in the video...
But i think of them as sorta... "what if" or "another world" ...since timeline just doesn't make sense and feel good to me...
[Lets just drop this im just saying since of not causing a fight.]
@@Runis0 .....okay i guess that kinda makes sense.
I like it when game companies don’t intend to have a difficult timeline but they end up making it as convoluted as humanly possible to trigger the theorists. Like almost every big Nintendo franchise.
Wally can't getter older because he have Satoshi's genes
Say ash or else
ClawZ I REFUSE
It's actually because he's likely a Wally from the past, otherwise it's the unidentified illness he has.
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Or more likely the events of ORAS happen later in the Mega timeline than the events of RSE in the original timeline.
This is starting to look a lot like a Kingdom Hearts storyline now 😩
Not even slightly close😅
Giratina is a Heatless and Arceus is the Nobody. Change my mind
Yeah but you have to play Pokemon Picross Stadium: 25053/3.14159 Days Death By Sleep Rebirth Remix 2.5 to truly understand the backstory
As a kirby fan, this is actually pretty simple
Okay I believe you
Just some thoughts about the Pokemon timelines I've had over the years.
In Heartgold and Soulsilver, Steven introduces himself as THE champion of Hoenn, meaning Emerald cannot share the same timeline as HGSS. In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, Steven wants Wallace to become the champion, this may be a desire shared across other timelines. This would allow Ruby and Sapphire to share the same timeline as Black 2 and White 2 as it explains how Wallace is a champion in Gen 5's PWT. With that said, I don't think Emerald can be written off as non-canon since it ties into Gen 7. The Battle Frontier theme plays for Annabel even in Gen 7 implying she came from a timeline where she was a frontier brain, and of course the Battle Frontier didn't exist in RS. So its hard to accept which of the Gen 3 games are cannon and just say that even the Original Timeline is split in two. Also in Gen 5, Cynthia briefly mentions the events of the Distortion World, allowing only Platinum to share the same timeline as Gen 5. Finally Let's Go does belong in a corner as the video explains. Its so hard to fit that game to even a new parallel timeline that I'm just convinced Game Freak doesn't care anymore, and frankly neither did I at that point.
there is no non canon all is canon pokemon runs on mntuvlse rules
I think the best way to see RS and E's situation is to think that the events of Brandon/May conquering the Gym Badges, the League and defeating the Evil Team(s) occur just tiny bit later in Emerald as compared to Ruby/Sapphire. Like... everything in the Emerald timeline happens at the exact same time as the Ruby/Sapphire timeline, EXCEPT Steven has basically JUST left the role of Champion (giving it to Wallace) and the Battle Frontier is at least in the making and is finished and open by the end of the main Emerald plot. Other than that, everything happens exactly like Ruby timewise.
Well he may be the former champion after RSE but he could always collect all 8 badges and take his place back before HGSS
0:22 could've put an Avater the last airbender reference
Pokemon Puzzle League takes place in the timeline where Cyrus succeeds in reconstructing the universe into a perfect form. That's why Pokemon Puzzle League is the only game remaining on that timeline.
Upon watching this video and afterwards replaying Pokémon X I actually discovered that Professor Sycamore asks himself at one point "why are mega evolutions only in kalos" which makes me think it can also be in the non-mega timeline
See, I think X and Y are main timeline, and it's ORAS that splits the timeline that continues into SM.
@@johnbuscher I heard XY mentioned about situations in some region (White/Black IIRC). So yeah, XY should be in the main timeline.
do you are have stupid? its in the mega timeline cause the mega evolutions exist in the world and people know about them
@@Vckobra66 bruv. They literally say "I wonder why this only happens in Kalos". If it was happening in Hoenn, they'd probably at least sneak that in as an easter egg before ORAS came out.
They are probably only in Kalos because that is the only place the ultimate weapon hit
The Japanese text about Mina's age (13~15才くらいの見た目) in the Let's Go games means she look like 13-15, not that she is, they could mean that she looks mature while still being a little girl
So the Let's Go games could still be in the Mega Timeline actually
Problem is that Red and Blue are in their 20s in Alola (Which they aren't in Lets Go).
You can just say LPLE takes events after the gen 1. That explains everything
@@책쪼아먹는학헌 yeah like 3 years later right before red goes off to the mountain in gen 2 that would place a 13 year old mina at exactly 20 meaning that she would be finishing her time as a captain during sun and moon
@@nickdentoom1173 I kinda feel like that’s just art style though. Everyone looks the same age unless they have grey hair in let’s go. All we have to go off on age is actions. I can’t really say if red and blue were mature but they seemed ‘strong’ if that’s the right word.
@@alexskocy9948 this also works.
7:35
In Pokémon Rumble, the Pokémon are all toys, so maybe don’t overthink that one…
I've been playing Pokemon basically my whole life, but never put so much thought into a timeline. So that's pretty nice, thanks for the video
Dialga must really want his own mega Evolution to let this happen
Well Wally's thing's always been that he has poor health, maybe he's got a growth defect on top
Definitely a solid possibility. People who are frail in health may not grow the same amount as others. He also could just be short because of genetics. Who knows?
Oh . That sounds probable. And sad
@@abdrahmanhakim5252 And American.
Hello pokefans, i see you have arrived at the timeline discussion us Zelda fans have been having for 20 years. Welcome! It only gets worse.
Technically, Third versions: Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, Ultra Sun/Moon should take place in a different timeline where the events happened differently with different elements.
Yeah, for example we have lot of new features in Emerald which was not in the original R/S games so the fact that our character can meet Rayray, we have different champion there, and player's character invited to the Battle Frontier Island is a proof that third version timeline are all somewhat different than the original versions thus they are a different/paralell timeline on they own.
Technically each save file is its own universe.
Technically, even the two original versions should take place in different timelines regarding each other. Like events of Ruby cannot occur in the same universe as events of Sapphire.
Gold and Silver could be considered sequels to Pokémon Yellow specifically and in a separate timeline from Red and Blue, given that Red has all three starters and his main Pokémon is Pikachu.
"But When We Needed Red Most He Vanished"
*Everyone liked that*
other universes and ultra wormholes are essentially gamefreak's cop out to no longer having to care about the timeline
It’s every lazy writer or series’ instant out
@@DuskLegend I would not call it "lazy". They have so much to think about. They have designs to make, graphics, gameplay mechanics, characters, etc. to plan and they have to do so while being limited by the Pokemon Company because they have to launch the new game the moment a new generation begins. And let's be honest, the anime with Ash still being 10 after so many travels is incoherant as hell, so the fact that the games have even a bit of coherence between them, even if they resort to alternate timelines, is something I'm grateful for. Wally's unaged appearance in SM is just stupid though. If only he wasn't there. I would've preferred Steven. (And as fanfiction maniac, the fact they keep some things vague is perfect for adjustments in the settings)
I think it was more their way of trying to do damage control after X and Y’s....everything
@@kanpaifighto what did xy do? ORAS was where other universes was introduced
Justin Arney X and Y can only be explained by another universe. Santalune Forest is literally Viridian Forest exactly, Mewtwo exists in a cave in Kalos despite having been man-made in Kanto, not to even mention the two Mewtwo-ites, a supposedly naturally occurring stone which reacts with a man-made Pokemon but not the one it’s based off? It broke a lot.
pokemon conquest also has a separate timeline due to having mewtow in feudal japan so before it would have been created in red and blue
I know this was 7 months ago, but this is addressed in game. Motonari has dialogue where he mentions that in "distant regions" people use pokéballs, meaning that Ransei is just disconnected from the rest of the world.
This sounds like Crisis on Infinite Earths with Pokémon.
Kinda idea they r going for! But with mon
Pikachu created Flashpoint with quick attack
We need this in Pokémon.
I can’t wait for EVERYSINGLE POKETUBER to react to this. Also abt the Let’s Go timeline this is my theory. I feel it is in the mega timeline.In the mega world Blue did not become the champion Red did as soon as he defeated Lance this is because Lance himself says they want to change it up and now Chase or Elaine will fight the champion for the throne which u couldn’t earlier so that means blue lost to Lance and then Red became bored so he left being the champion and gave that up so that he can make his own little gang called Master Trainers also it is mentioned by Blue that Pokédexes did not exist and they had to use maps and Oak used that info to make Pokedexes which means Let’s go happened before Oras as all the professors use Oaks Pokedex idea and make their own versions.Also Sword and Shield is in Non Mega timeline as there r more references to other regions like a girl in hulbury says these trains remind her of the Unova region’s trains and wants to ride them. Also nobody mentions mega Pokemon and gamefreak said no more games will have that feature so it’s safe to assume that every game from now forth is in the non mega timeline except remakes like the sinnoh ones they will have mega in them
All 7 of them
It’s the new meta. What’s the point of playing pokemon when you can just watch it
Actually Sword and Shield are in the Mega Timeline, as they reference that there was a "Darkest Day" 3000 years ago in Galar, which happens to be the same time as the Kalos War and AZ firing the Ultimate Weapon.
Christopher Andersen Yeah but the darkest day was against Eternatus
@@Hebiiiii1 I know, but there are still connections between the two. Dynamax energy seems to have a link to the overflow of natural energy in Alola 3000 years ago from Ultra Necrozma that gave rise to Z-Moves, and to AZ firing the ultimate weapon to end the Kalos War, releasing life energy into Kalos and giving rise to Mega Evolution.
The reason that Wally is younger in Sun and Moon is because (for unknown reasons) Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire take place around 10 years AFTER the time that the original RSE occur in the original timeline, and around the same time as X and Y. The main characters and Wally are born later and Team Aqua/Magma carry out their scheme later than in the original timeline. Call it a butterfly effect caused by the existence of megas if you will.
The biggest evidence for this is Mauville. In the originals, Watson says he has plans to renovate his small city, but in the remakes, he has carried out his plan. You could make a counter argument and say that in the remakes the battle frontier is not built yet, but it also didn’t exist in the original Ruby and Sapphire.
I also think Let’s Go takes place in the mega timeline. Mina could be 9 or 10 in let’s go for all we know, and 19 in Sun and Moon and that would check out. We have seen trainers younger than 10 before.
Mina's concept art says she's 13-15 in Let's Go, though.
SwSh are in the same timeline as Let's Go, because of the npc who gives you Pikachu if you played Let's Go Pikachu, and Eevee if you played Eevee. But because of Kabu, the Hoenn region must also exist.
The Let's Go timeline makes no sense because if Red is an NPC, did he just ... not have anything to do with Giovanni?
Yep. In LGPE Red and his friends are basically just really talented Trainers that already had their journey before any of the Team Rocket stuff happened, so Chase/Elaine stopped Team Rocket instead. Blue actually gets (very minimally) involved so in LGPE Blue is (very, very marginally) more of a hero than Red, in the same sense that 0.001 is a larger number than 0.
This is something that really bugs me about Let's Go. Like, what did they become so well-known for if not taking down Team Rocket? It's left really vague...
@@EpicNerdsWithCameras blue still beat the elite 4 and became champion and red still beat blur and resigned his position as champion, following a few year time skip blue became the 8th gym leader. That’s why there’re famous
I have a theory that the Let’s Go games take place in the Mega Timeline before or at the same time as ORAS and Pokémon Origins takes place before them because in Pokémon Origins, Red doesn’t defeat Team Rocket and Mega Evolution does exist. That meant that, whatever their names are, defeated Team Rocket instead. But, you might think this isn’t true because in Pokémon Origins, Red picks a Charamander, not a Bulbusuar. But! I think there was an alternate version of Pokémon Origins where Red picked a Bulbusuar. So ya, that’s my theory.
that seems to be the case yea
"anyone else find gardevoir attractive?"- BigJB21, 2020
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Cat get in my bag.
@@snuda1336 Unlike Nebby.
@@snuda1336 " No your Bag smells like The Food That You Eat B)" -BigJB21(Morgana), 2021
@@AjumentaDaTriboDeIssacar That's morgana's problem
That's rude.
Team Plasma is just a slightly less evil version of PETA
I was about to argue, but then I realized that even though Team Plasma’s PETA thing was really just a cover for a world domination quest, their kill rate is probably still lower than PETA’s 🙃
Ah yes "slightly"
@@alvinolit8319 in that case, significantly
@@wildfire9280 I don't even think evil teams in Pokemon actually kill anyone. Yeah, a lot of them wanted to destroy the world, but they always failed and never actually ended up killing someone. Only deaths I can really remember in Pokemon is Ash dying twice, (First Movie & I Choose You) Pikachu dying, (Diancie) Latias dying, (Heroes) Snoutland dying, (SM Season 1) and Meowth dying numerous times by mimiku. (Entire SM series) The only deaths that really stuck was Snountland in SM and Latias on heroes. Everyone else was just revived. In reality, Rainbow Cyrus has the highest kill rate since he eliminated all life in the universe (easily quadrillions of deaths) with the second highest being Lysander. (Billions of deaths, due to all the humans and pokemon he supposedly killed with Ultima Weapon.)
@@krimsonkatt Yeah, I meant Plasma is significantly less evil than PETA
Pokemon Scarlet and Violet: im'a ruin this mans career.
Pokemon Sword and Shield: i allready did.
Red holding blue at 2:55 is priceless
Kingdom Hearts is like the shrine on top of the mountain that you have to train for life to get to, but you should take a crack at it
:o How didn't I took think of that!
if we are talking about the lore yea but if we're talking about the placements they are easy as long we don't include the mobile game because as far as I know we still don't know where they take place post key blade war
It pretty much easy to explain what happens in the timeline but the lore itself is headache infusing
Kh X. And union
Kh dark road
Kh birth by sleep
Kh fragmentary passage =Kh 1
Kh chain of memories = kh days
Kh 2 = kh recoded
Kh dream drop distant
Kh 3 = Kh remind
Kh melody of memory
Pokémon Lore: exists
The timeline: "How about a game of 5D chess?"
Too accurate
I Am 5 Parallel Universes Ahead Of You
I'd rather get my Vulpix to roast the Anti-Monitor.
Every player's game being its own timeline really feeds into that original Red/Blue mentality of the devs wanting to connect everyone. There's a real charm to it.
When you realize red is 14 when he went to mt. Silver
Wonder what kind of music he was playing
Sphee Like, story of the year, papa roach, that kind of shit
@@sphee4149 Craaawwliiing in myyy skiiiiin
@@manuelredgrave8348 these woooouuunds they wiiiiiiill not heeeaaaaaaaaal
@@sphee4149 his own theme
There's no way in hell Nintendo intentionally made this timeline
edit: ok it's game freak you win comment section
They made one before lol
It was the same case for the Legend of Zelda, before the fans forced the Hyrule Historia to add a timeline, which Nintendo hated so much that they made Breath of the Wild in the far future, long after the timeline stuff has become irrelevant... But if Nintendo wanted stray from the timeline, why did they give Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity ,a game that presents the same dilemma of Ocarina of Time (Time Travel), a green light?
Well, if the original team ever made a timeline for Pokémon, it wouldn't be Nintendo but Game Freak
@@AlexRonai Nintendo made one for legend of Zelda and it made non sense
@@sakuguruxgxxshorts308 The Zelda one is actually a thing pushed by the fans as a comment said above so they made one without great conviction. And Zelda is a serie made by Nintendo themselves while Pokemon isn't
The link between Gens 1 and 3 is flat-out stated in FireRed/LeafGreen when you give Bill the Ruby and Sapphire and he says "I've made contact with Lanette from the Hoenn region!"
That's crazy that there was a timeline jump of a character from OG Timeline Emerald to Mega Timeline Sun/Moon, describes as washing up on the shore, which is the exact story of Legends Arceus, washing up on the shores of Hisui from the Diamond and Pearl timeline, along with Ichigo from BW
That was probably the longest eight minutes of my life, and I enjoyed every second.
Actually, there is one piece of timeline evidence that exists in SwSh, and that’s the Type: Null you can get in the postgame. It was apparently created using the plans stolen from Alola, so it either takes place after or during Sun and Moon/Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, though obviously not on the Mega timeline.
"Porygon dex entry in Sun and Moon says it's been created roughly around 20 Years ago"
And you know why? Because roughly 20 IRL-years earlier Pokemon Red and Green were released.
Sun and Moon were, quite literally, the celebration of Pokémon's 20th Birtday. It was 2016 after all, no surprise Red Blue and even Giovanni played a big role in Gen7.
Not only that... Red's shirt has a big "96" on it... meaning:
I think Red's exactly 20yo in Sun and Moon.
He was 11 when he started -> +3yrs from gen1 to gen2 -> +2yrs between BW and BW2 -> +2yrs between BW2 and SM = 18 (11+7)
But...
We're not taking into account the time skip and the fact that we still need him to be 2yrs older... and... said 2 yrs might exactly be the timeskip from Gen4 and BW. Case closed.
BUT!
Said timeskip could still be 3yrs. Why? Because in the US version Red is said to be 11 but to us (in UE) Red was said to be 10... Does anyone know what age was stated in the Japanese handbook?
Either way, 2-3yrs is still the very best bet.
Red's at least mid-late 20's by swsh.
He was 11 in gen 1/3, 14 in gen 2/4, somewhere between 16 and 19 in bw, 18-21 in bw2/xy, gen 7 seems to be after xy, and swsh are guaranteed to be some time after gen 7 (porygon's timeline, type:null's timeline, the new rotom dex in gen 7 being a staple household appliance in gen 8).
Red's probably in his 30s by now, realistically speaking.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 As you might expect from my previous comment, I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
We do know that more than 7yrs have passed from gen1 to gen 7. We can't actually and accurately determine the canon-timeskip between gen4 and gen5.
So almost any guess is equally valid.
This being said, it would've been really weird if a 10yrs jump actually occurs here - we've always had 2-3years skips between the various games.
Not to mention Caitlin doesn't seem to be 10yrs older in BW.
Hence, personally, I still think that a correlation with the irl Red's birthday is fairly acceptable - and the fact that this would lower the gen4to5 skip to a more reasonable 2-ish years makes the whole thing feel more believable. In my opinion.
That's what I thought was the reason too
@@jaernihiltheus7817 in gmaes yes manga no in fglg red trun tro stone so he could not age by time rse take place
THANK YOU for jumping right into it instead of doing a boring intro!!
All I could see in the Mega Evolution timeline was “Pokemon Soon”
All I could see was Pokémon: Whack (1:54)
There’s also Pokemon Shord lol
Pokemon Mun
Where does Pokémon go in the timeline? Asking for a friend.
It's in our timeline. The Real Life timeline
Chase Kip the real Pokémon go was inside of us all along
I wonder what next after Pokémon Ultra Go
before gen 1
Somewhere during Let's Go
Imagine adding the pokemon universe that mystery dungeon and the other spin offs like ranger exist on lolll
Ranger co-exists with the mainline games! It directly references events from them in a few lines
@@kanpaifighto Except, Oblivia and Alola cannot coexist with each other... as they are literally the same region... except one is in a Ranger game, and the other in a Mainline game... and the two regions look nothing alike and have different names
... though Time Travel does get used in Oblivia a lot... so it might have made itself not exist by accident...
Katrina Payne well, Fiore is literally just part of the western edge of Sinnoh, so it’s possible it’s just a different part or a sub-section or the such. That, or Guardian Signs isn’t canon haha.
@@kanpaifighto Or that Rangers is its OWN timeline... this opens up to Pokemon TCG and Pokemon Card 2: Here Comes Great Rocket to being in their own timeline as well
Katrina Payne but there’s actually Pokémon Rangers in the mainline games...like, everything about it is compatible. The TCG universe wouldn’t make sense as a separate timeline since Pokemon aren’t actually considered to...well, exist, other than as trading cards in that world. It would have to be it’s own thing completely unrelated. Lump it in with Trozei :p
With scarlet and violet coming out with seemingly motifs of past and future, hopefully they hint more on these parallel timelines. A longshot, but would be dope.
All I care about canon-wise in Pokémon is how open the canon is and that every save file is considered canon and a separate parallel universe
Here’s one that should be “””easy,””” the Mega Man timeline
Don't even get started on that "timeline"
It's pretty straightforward
Yeah it’s classic x zero zx legends or battle network star force
not a game but i think he should do x men timeline
what about kirby
"Oh! Member of Team Rocket I was, long time gone! But Team Rocket bye-bye a go-go. I my region went home. Make new Team Rocket, I did! So myself I pledged! But now I married am. Now for Team Rocket there is no time by me. But happy family is big hooray!"
...So, how do we put this in the main timeline? 🤔
Considering he talks like the one in gen 2, and he has a daughter that's neither a preschooler nor a 10+ year old (she uses the little girl sprite, not the other two), more than 2 years.
Admittedly i had him pegged for one of the gen 1 rockets that quit before gen 2, but seeing the quote has me convinced he's the kanto rocket in gen 2 - which means bw has to take place a minimum of 5 years after gen 2 - not gen 1. So it's actually somwhere between 7-10-ish years after gen 1, rather than the 5-8-ish years i previously thought.
In Black and White 2 he has left his place. The new inhabitants are a former Team Aqua and Magma member.
Who knew there is a Multiverse of Madness right here in Pokemon....
MY head is spinning just from listening to this. How in the world did it all make sense to you.
Also I am subscribing. I hope you gain more and more subscribers because you clearly deserve it and your vids are really fun to watch and so is the art.
You should've included the anime's timeline and the creation of the universe, ancient civilizations, the war- actually just yeah this timelines broken
*Peaky Blinders voice* THE WOR
Every pokemon movie shatters every aspect of the Pokemon timeline which changes every week
And it will never be fixed
"Time web" is the best word for multiverse I've ever heard.
It’ll be even harder to place Sword and Shield now that we have every previous Legendary appearing in the Max Lair, IN ADDITION to every Ultra Beast. Thanks Crown Tundra...
Never mind the fact no other gen has dynamaxing
@@GbrBy Dynamaxing seems to be explained as only happening in Galar because Eternatus only awakened there.
And no megas :)
@@starmangalaxy2001 It did mention Eternatus coming from a large meteor, so Legends: Arceus could go into Maxing and Megas being related.
that's explained by "Ultra wormholes go brr"
Imagine doing super complicated math for a video game series made for 5 year olds
Maybe one day we’ll get a PokéStoria that maps out the official timeline and we can all disagree with it
I would buy that!
Me: hey, do y'know what the story isa behind pokemon and how call the mainline games connect?
Chase Kip: to talk about that, we need to talk about: parallel universes.
I was going to make a pokemon rumble joke but luckily I watched to the end and didn't embarrass myself.
7:20 Time to call MatPat because where there's lore you'll find MatPat
A timeline ALMOST as complicated as the zelda timeline! I can't believe it!
Your drawings are improving so much :o Keep it up!
Everyone : Lets go timeline
Me an intellectual : _Dababy timeline_
They had a whole manga series based on the games and they were great
More people need to mention this
Sword and sheild would be in lets go timeline from meltan being able to be traided from there. Colusaum is in the non mega time line.
Pokemon can cross universes/timelines, like transferring from Ruby/Sapphire to Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire. In fact, that's essentially what trading is: a Pokemon transferring across a parallel universe. Every save file is technically its own universe. The Pokemon Timeline presented here is more on a macro scale to simplify it.
in pokemon masters, theres some old dialougue for the 3 month anniversary that states that SWSH are happening at the same time, and masters takes after all the mainline games, BUT this is in a different timeline, so masters and SWSH takes place at the same time (the end of an completely different timeline)
at least this is my theory.
Hmm def possible.
Everything gets very hazy with the Pokémon timeline, so I'm surprised we know as mush about it as we do!
I thought Masters is made up of characters from different times and potentially continuities that most were transported by Hoopa?
You are br?
@@zjzr08 Some of them are. For example Cyrus.
However, the original timeline of Pokemon Masters is different than that of any games, as Red can Mega Evolve his Charizard so he isn't from the FRLG timeline, and defeated Giovanni, so he isn't from LGPE even, since LGPE is, weirdly enough, considered a Main Game, so it is the equivalent of FRLG in Mega Universe.
I’m glad you considered the enhanced versions and remakes as to be placed with the originals. I get there the non-mega and mega timeline split as well Let’s Go prolly being its own new timeline, but some people still split SM/USUM or even remakes as there own for some reason even tho their the same, just some new added elements. Technically all cartridges are their own universe, but that’s complicating things more than what they need too. The way you put is very well.
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making this video not an hour long is the really valuable thing here
This guy is the definition of quality over quantity
Also ahoy
unlike old Atari.
another example would be technoblade
1:25 W h A c K version
Lmfao yeah i just noticed that and came searching for someone else who noticed that
@Dhyeya Patel
Ok but when tho
@Dhyeya Patel
Ok
But like when
@Dhyeya Patel
Huh? What's at 2:48??
I Think the Splatoon and Splatoon 2 timelines would be cool 🦑
I second this, Splatoon lore rocks.
Woomy!
Normal people: acttual explanation Me: splatoon then splatoon 2
Splatoon 3 when?
Or they could just bring back splatfests I mean IDK why they even stopped splatfests like that was the best part of the game and the only assumption we had that they stopped them in the first place is because maybe the next game would be announced soon but now apparently we are getting a mario splatfest? Like if they still want people excited for spalattytoon wouldn't you think that keepping the game active all the way up to the release of Splatoon 3 would make more sense than dropping the best mechanic of the game?
Time travel shenanigans of Legends: Arceus has now officially turned everything on its head lol
And what's interesting is that Legends Arceus takes place in the post-apocalyptic future.