I've been watching your videos for years and I appreciate your honesty and sense of humor, your videos are very informative and entertaining, keep up the great work.
Love it for the same reason I love my Corsair 600. Inverted ATX (mATX in this case) is the only way a windowed case works for me. My unique living room layout forces my case to the left of my desk. I wish more manufacturers would make at least one inverted case.
Got the case myself. And tried various cooling configs. With an AIO in the front. Fans in the roof have to be intakes! Since otherwise they are working really badly against the graphic card ones. Especially if your graphics card sits one slot higher (2nd slot) like some matx boards do. I tried it for fun. It’s bad. Silverstone wants the front to be intakes (hence the dustfilter). But that leaves the case with 4x140 intakes and a comparable tiny 120 as exhaust in the back. That’s just unbalanced and the tiny 120 can’t make the air escape the case quick enough. So heat builds up a lot in the case. Solution is to have two 140s in the front as intake and one 120 as exhaust in the back. No fans in the roof. Graphics cards fans will supply themselves just fine. Or switch everything around. 120 in the back as intake. 2x140 in the roof as intake. 2x140 in the front as exhaust. Get rid of the dustfilter in the front. (Looks nicer for RGB anyways since the filter got really ugly bars in it). Although this config is one of the optimum configs for this case, it’s not super efficient as well since the heat is then a bit stuck behind the front glass panel. Overall I have to say cooling is a bit mediocre in this case. And you have to make up for it with brute force aka noise.
a few months later, silverstone have shown off a similar case named RL08 in CES 2019. same interior , but mesh front and steel side panels. hopefully it will do better at cooling. i just need to wait for a good AM4 matx motherboard, x570/b550 chipset.
I had the epic Silverstone FT 02 and combined with the 90 degree change in motherboard and brilliant penetrator fans in the base meant dual sli gpu's and whole system was so cool it's the only way without water cooling for keeping sli cool as traditional setups means one gpu is hotter than the other. However this setup begs the question why?
In that form factor, and with an inverted motherboard layout as well, I liked the Raijintek Thetis. You have less storage options, but once you invert the back fan to work as an intake and add two top fans, it works really well. I built a system in it for my ex, and it looked amazing, except for the four thumb screws holding the side panels. And it can hold full ATX mobos!
FACT: First Priority is Form Follows Function. Not sure if this unusual small SilverStone case Form Follows Function but it looks good. Looking Forward to seeing your review.
Nice to see those AP's in action, I didnt get the controller with my sample case, and since they are 5V ARGB I can't find a compatible controller anywhere ...
I actually bought this case. True to this review, the only reason I bought it was that I was already using an mAtx form factor, and my desk layout is such that having the computer on the opposite side is beneficial. BTW, the case does much better for thermals with top intake fans.
This is the old ATX standard layout just with the feet on the case placed on the other end. It also has superfluous front fans which you would only put there for RGB, nothing more as they cannot blow air in the case.
I do wish more companies made inverted board cases for the exact reason you mentioned. My desk has a hutch and the only spot I can put a computer where I can see it (why would you get a TG case if you can't see it?!?! lol) is on the left hand side. Makes placement of standard config cases a bit... interesting...
Wow! It looks nice but it still has 5.25" bays. I really like that the newer designs are getting away from those and I prefer more open air in the front, but then maybe I'm being a bit picky. lol
@@DefMunkyYT It does, but they are covered by a door. While I don't use internal 5.25 drives anymore I do have a neat little drawer that slots into a 5.25 inch bay. I use it to store mouse weights and spare key caps (I use a Corsair K70 that comes with the gaming key caps). Search Amazon for "EverCool PC 5.25 inc Drive Bay DVD CD Storage Drawer" and you can see what I mean.
Still looking for something to replace my old Temjin TJ08-e. The airflow on this must be horrific. If they removed the optical drives and external 3.5" slot from the Temjin, I bet they could get two 180mm fans in the front, plus add some more top ventilation. That would be so much better than this.
I don't think this case is meant for people who primarily want their pc's on the left hand side of the desk, all the logos etc are upside down. If you want a case pc on the left just the silverstone raven rv02; that's what I use. I think maybe this pc is meant to be laid flat and have the window on top?
While it looks gorgeous and does a lot of stuff well, they did mess up with cooling and main reason is very limited air intake. The case draws air only from small openings on the top and bottom of front panel, and it's not enough. They also made a large "blind spot" on the top part on front part, after you take the front panel off, right above the fans. They should have moved intake fans up, all the way to I/O ports, that would allow top fan to get some more air. Ideally, they should have made intake holes on the side of front panel, a la NZXT H400 or FD Define, but hey didn't. As for GPU, having it draw air from the top, exclusively for itself, is not a bad idea, that's one of the benefits of inverted layouts. SIlverstone tried to make a spiritual successor to their Temjin TJ08 MicroATX case, which was pretty famous. It also had the inverted design, something Silverstone is known for. They didn't think the details through, it seems... Also, I like MicroATX form factor. It's a good compromise between portability and features. For example, I have a FD Define R4 case and I hate how big and cumbersome it is, even sitting on the floor. It's unneccessarily large for majority of users and use scenarios. MicroATX means I would have smaller case while keeping all the features of a regular size board as well as ease of use, without constraints and limitations of MiniITX format. I wouldn't even need a regular ATX. It's a shame motherboard manufacturers are neglecting this format, they shouldn't...
I have the fact that's inverted. If it wasn't inverted, I would be interested in buying this case. Micro ATX is my favorite form factor, but I'll have to pass on this one.
Looks like a nice case to build small oven. No intake ventilation at all, rubbish. Please empathise this aspect. For PC chassis not being able to cool components is like for a car not to drive. Doesn't matter how good it looks or how comfy and well fitted is inside. It's disqualifying.
So: U can mount 2x 140 mm Fan pulling air from top directly to GPU. CPU will be suffocated especially on tower air cooler. If U block the one exhaust with 120 mm CPU AIO, which is not enough for high end 8 Core CPU's Ull end up blocking the only real exhaust. Doesn't matter that U have 2 x140 mm intake if U have only one 120 mm exhaust blocked by radiator. So U'll end up with lots of positive pressure, and air will be getting out every possible hole, mostly on the back through the little piece of mesh by pci slots. VRM's are going to end up with no real ventilation. Ultimately You are working against physics, where hot air would go up, and pulling this hot air again back to the chassis by intake at the top. The fact that UR pc works in it doesn't mean that it works as it could do in proper chassis, and furthermore, doesn't mean that the components will last longer in it while constantly overheating. I'm absolutely sure, coz once upon a time I bought similar piece of rubbish and ended up with front panel taken off all the time. I bought it because it didn't cross my mind that professional PC chassis constructing company would sell product so badly engineered, with messed up obvious basics. Now my PC is in Farctal Design Meshify C, mainly based on GN tests and the fact that it looks great.
@@randalldraco3822 Hey, I'm with you on this, I even said the same thing in my review of this case. But I didnt notice a significant increase of temperatures with this case. 3-4°C Max. Plus I dont have an HEDT class pc inside.
wow no benefits from cooling really. stick 2 120mm fans in the top blowing air directly over the gpu then say the same thing. my inverted case ive had for over 12 years, amazing case. Inverted cases are the best. lets you blow air direct from outside of case directly onto the gpu fans
wrong wrong wrong, ur proofing stuff in the wrong way. The cooling should be instake from the top down and past on the GPU (blower is best) to the CPU where the back fan (and the front) team up to cycle the head away) Incase of water cooling its recommended to put the Water cooling in the front with Fans that can greate great amount of sucktion. I myself bought my second version for a new built to be Silent and completely air cooled. #donthatejustscience
you use invert for the best cooling. and dont talk about heat rising thats like made obsolete as soon as you throw a fan into the mix. i.imgur.com/hdKDBIF.jpg has nothing to do where it sits thats RBG BS talking
Air in at the top blowing air directly over the gpu and air being pushed into the case from the back cooling the cpu. then extract all the air OUT the front. simple people with little experience.
Leo here: This case comes without fans so you cannot simply look at the factory fitment and proceed from there, however the manual shows drawings of the fans intaking at the front and exhausting at the rear. Reversing the airflow would make a certain amount of sense however it would be helpful for SilverStone to spell out the options. As for close-minded, no, not really.
that woudnt stop me throwing some gentle typhoons or noctua fans in the front as an exhaust. if i had this case thats how i would do it. cool air direct from outside case it dont get much better than that really i.imgur.com/bovIC0V.jpg
If i had my way i would fit a fan where the glass is. blowing cool air directly over the vrm on the board.. thats the problem with cases today there is no direct air flow over the board. all for the sake of it looking nice.
its not ATX its BTX FROM INTEL Balanced Technology eXtended) is a form factor for motherboards, originally intended to be the replacement for the aging ATX motherboard form factor in late 2004 and early 2005. YOU WOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU WAS WORKING ON COMPUTERS BACK IN 2000s The ATX and BTX standards were both proposed by Intel. However, future development of BTX retail products by Intel was canceled in September 2006 (c)wp
Leo here: BTX is an Intel form factor that never took off. It moves the lower part of the motherboard above the CPU, so essentially the two halves swap over. It makes sense thermally but never came to pass. I don't think I ever saw a BTX board, despite starting work in this sector some years before 2006. The board you see in this review is a regular mATX that has been inverted.
my memory playin up-sorry got it part wrong i had 2 or 3 btx cases in 2006`s i converted them to atx dell case`s cant be done as there heat sink bolts though the back & io shield as to be cut out,lenovo can be done but the usb/sound wire have to be modded ,thats wat you would call it to day modding ,just intels cock up and no one took it on some nice cases tho
I've been watching your videos for years and I appreciate your honesty and sense of humor, your videos are very informative and entertaining, keep up the great work.
Love it for the same reason I love my Corsair 600. Inverted ATX (mATX in this case) is the only way a windowed case works for me. My unique living room layout forces my case to the left of my desk. I wish more manufacturers would make at least one inverted case.
I'd like to see this inverted setup tested with 2 top intake fans, rear fan intake, front exhaust x2, all air cooled.
Got the case myself.
And tried various cooling configs. With an AIO in the front.
Fans in the roof have to be intakes! Since otherwise they are working really badly against the graphic card ones. Especially if your graphics card sits one slot higher (2nd slot) like some matx boards do. I tried it for fun. It’s bad.
Silverstone wants the front to be intakes (hence the dustfilter). But that leaves the case with 4x140 intakes and a comparable tiny 120 as exhaust in the back. That’s just unbalanced and the tiny 120 can’t make the air escape the case quick enough. So heat builds up a lot in the case.
Solution is to have two 140s in the front as intake and one 120 as exhaust in the back. No fans in the roof. Graphics cards fans will supply themselves just fine.
Or switch everything around. 120 in the back as intake. 2x140 in the roof as intake. 2x140 in the front as exhaust. Get rid of the dustfilter in the front. (Looks nicer for RGB anyways since the filter got really ugly bars in it). Although this config is one of the optimum configs for this case, it’s not super efficient as well since the heat is then a bit stuck behind the front glass panel.
Overall I have to say cooling is a bit mediocre in this case. And you have to make up for it with brute force aka noise.
Its inverted, also the Airflow. Top and back intake - front exhaust. 😉
Yes, this. Reviewers of the newish RL08 are also missing this.
@@jonathanbraithwaite7063 I think Top and fron intake will work for RL8, it have mesh front,..
With 2 x 280mm rad AIO's, no temp issues
a few months later, silverstone have shown off a similar case named RL08 in CES 2019. same interior , but mesh front and steel side panels. hopefully it will do better at cooling. i just need to wait for a good AM4 matx motherboard, x570/b550 chipset.
I'm in the same place, what did you ended up with?
I had the epic Silverstone FT 02 and combined with the 90 degree change in motherboard and brilliant penetrator fans in the base meant dual sli gpu's and whole system was so cool it's the only way without water cooling for keeping sli cool as traditional setups means one gpu is hotter than the other. However this setup begs the question why?
In that form factor, and with an inverted motherboard layout as well, I liked the Raijintek Thetis. You have less storage options, but once you invert the back fan to work as an intake and add two top fans, it works really well. I built a system in it for my ex, and it looked amazing, except for the four thumb screws holding the side panels. And it can hold full ATX mobos!
FACT: First Priority is Form Follows Function. Not sure if this unusual small SilverStone case Form Follows Function but it looks good. Looking
Forward to seeing your review.
Nice to see those AP's in action, I didnt get the controller with my sample case, and since they are 5V ARGB I can't find a compatible controller anywhere ...
I actually bought this case. True to this review, the only reason I bought it was that I was already using an mAtx form factor, and my desk layout is such that having the computer on the opposite side is beneficial. BTW, the case does much better for thermals with top intake fans.
This is the old ATX standard layout just with the feet on the case placed on the other end. It also has superfluous front fans which you would only put there for RGB, nothing more as they cannot blow air in the case.
I do wish more companies made inverted board cases for the exact reason you mentioned. My desk has a hutch and the only spot I can put a computer where I can see it (why would you get a TG case if you can't see it?!?! lol) is on the left hand side. Makes placement of standard config cases a bit... interesting...
This is why I love Corsair 600 c.
Wow! It looks nice but it still has 5.25" bays. I really like that the newer designs are getting away from those and I prefer more open air in the front, but then maybe I'm being a bit picky. lol
@@DefMunkyYT It does, but they are covered by a door. While I don't use internal 5.25 drives anymore I do have a neat little drawer that slots into a 5.25 inch bay. I use it to store mouse weights and spare key caps (I use a Corsair K70 that comes with the gaming key caps). Search Amazon for "EverCool PC 5.25 inc Drive Bay DVD CD Storage Drawer" and you can see what I mean.
Great video, two slim coolers on tu up side exaust ?
Because of the nature of the front panel an AiO is recomended I'd say.
As a mATX fan, I rather like this case! And why not inverted? It's fun 😃
Still looking for something to replace my old Temjin TJ08-e. The airflow on this must be horrific. If they removed the optical drives and external 3.5" slot from the Temjin, I bet they could get two 180mm fans in the front, plus add some more top ventilation. That would be so much better than this.
I had the Temjin for a few years and finally replaced it with a Phanteks Enthoo Pro M tempered glass ATX case, very happy with it.
I don't think this case is meant for people who primarily want their pc's on the left hand side of the desk, all the logos etc are upside down. If you want a case pc on the left just the silverstone raven rv02; that's what I use. I think maybe this pc is meant to be laid flat and have the window on top?
You might struggle to explain the location of the feet on the bottom.
@@KitGuruTech haha yea could use them as headphone holder?
@@e1337prodigy an elf's headphones?
@@e1337prodigy a baboon's butt 😕
That smile just before peeling! :D
oh...look...a replacement for the PS07/TJ08-E.
exactly, i love it
While it looks gorgeous and does a lot of stuff well, they did mess up with cooling and main reason is very limited air intake. The case draws air only from small openings on the top and bottom of front panel, and it's not enough. They also made a large "blind spot" on the top part on front part, after you take the front panel off, right above the fans. They should have moved intake fans up, all the way to I/O ports, that would allow top fan to get some more air. Ideally, they should have made intake holes on the side of front panel, a la NZXT H400 or FD Define, but hey didn't. As for GPU, having it draw air from the top, exclusively for itself, is not a bad idea, that's one of the benefits of inverted layouts.
SIlverstone tried to make a spiritual successor to their Temjin TJ08 MicroATX case, which was pretty famous. It also had the inverted design, something Silverstone is known for. They didn't think the details through, it seems...
Also, I like MicroATX form factor. It's a good compromise between portability and features. For example, I have a FD Define R4 case and I hate how big and cumbersome it is, even sitting on the floor. It's unneccessarily large for majority of users and use scenarios. MicroATX means I would have smaller case while keeping all the features of a regular size board as well as ease of use, without constraints and limitations of MiniITX format. I wouldn't even need a regular ATX. It's a shame motherboard manufacturers are neglecting this format, they shouldn't...
Does it look like the gpu stand is slightly too high, pushing the gpu up a little?
u can adjust it to where you like it
My Fractal Design Meshify C isn't much larger than that. Weird.
Keep up the great WORK Leo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do they make this case in the normal orientation as well ?
I have the fact that's inverted. If it wasn't inverted, I would be interested in buying this case. Micro ATX is my favorite form factor, but I'll have to pass on this one.
Good for Australian mate!
Looks like a nice case to build small oven. No intake ventilation at all, rubbish.
Please empathise this aspect. For PC chassis not being able to cool components is like for a car not to drive. Doesn't matter how good it looks or how comfy and well fitted is inside. It's disqualifying.
Intake comes from the top of the case. I've had this case for two months now, no issues at all.
So: U can mount 2x 140 mm Fan pulling air from top directly to GPU. CPU will be suffocated especially on tower air cooler. If U block the one exhaust with 120 mm CPU AIO, which is not enough for high end 8 Core CPU's Ull end up blocking the only real exhaust. Doesn't matter that U have 2 x140 mm intake if U have only one 120 mm exhaust blocked by radiator. So U'll end up with lots of positive pressure, and air will be getting out every possible hole, mostly on the back through the little piece of mesh by pci slots. VRM's are going to end up with no real ventilation.
Ultimately You are working against physics, where hot air would go up, and pulling this hot air again back to the chassis by intake at the top.
The fact that UR pc works in it doesn't mean that it works as it could do in proper chassis, and furthermore, doesn't mean that the components will last longer in it while constantly overheating.
I'm absolutely sure, coz once upon a time I bought similar piece of rubbish and ended up with front panel taken off all the time. I bought it because it didn't cross my mind that professional PC chassis constructing company would sell product so badly engineered, with messed up obvious basics.
Now my PC is in Farctal Design Meshify C, mainly based on GN tests and the fact that it looks great.
@@randalldraco3822 Hey, I'm with you on this, I even said the same thing in my review of this case. But I didnt notice a significant increase of temperatures with this case. 3-4°C Max. Plus I dont have an HEDT class pc inside.
Let's hope GN makes a test of it, well see how it compares to others. 4 degrees more, compared to what?
@@randalldraco3822 compared to PM02 from silverstone.
Same interior as the RL08?
It's a test case, case!
;)
hmm inverted seems to make more sense. The GPU gets way better airflow.
But if you don't have fans at the top the heat in the system will rise and the gpu will keep recirculating hot air :/
They took a beautiful inverted case, and ruined it with stupid glass and shiny bits
Thank you Dalai Lama son's I will buy this beauthiful piece !!!
My brain hurts
I thought there was supposed to be another version of this case --- SST LD02 ??
I think it's coming soon, by the end of 2018.
wow no benefits from cooling really.
stick 2 120mm fans in the top blowing air directly over the gpu then say the same thing.
my inverted case ive had for over 12 years,
amazing case.
Inverted cases are the best.
lets you blow air direct from outside of case directly onto the gpu fans
Inwin cases do that (bottom fan intake straight to the GPU)
wrong wrong wrong, ur proofing stuff in the wrong way. The cooling should be instake from the top down and past on the GPU (blower is best) to the CPU where the back fan (and the front) team up to cycle the head away)
Incase of water cooling its recommended to put the Water cooling in the front with Fans that can greate great amount of sucktion.
I myself bought my second version for a new built to be Silent and completely air cooled.
#donthatejustscience
you use invert for the best cooling.
and dont talk about heat rising thats like made obsolete as soon as you throw a fan into the mix.
i.imgur.com/hdKDBIF.jpg
has nothing to do where it sits thats RBG BS talking
Air in at the top blowing air directly over the gpu and air being pushed into the case from the back cooling the cpu.
then extract all the air OUT the front.
simple people with little experience.
Leo here: This case comes without fans so you cannot simply look at the factory fitment and proceed from there, however the manual shows drawings of the fans intaking at the front and exhausting at the rear. Reversing the airflow would make a certain amount of sense however it would be helpful for SilverStone to spell out the options. As for close-minded, no, not really.
that woudnt stop me throwing some gentle typhoons or noctua fans in the front as an exhaust.
if i had this case thats how i would do it.
cool air direct from outside case it dont get much better than that really
i.imgur.com/bovIC0V.jpg
i didnt mean to be rude.
If i had my way i would fit a fan where the glass is.
blowing cool air directly over the vrm on the board..
thats the problem with cases today there is no direct air flow over the board.
all for the sake of it looking nice.
Positive pressure with front fans as exhaust not intake......
i.imgur.com/bovIC0V.jpg
Inverted PC Case
its not ATX its BTX FROM INTEL Balanced Technology eXtended) is a form factor for motherboards, originally intended to be the replacement for the aging ATX motherboard form factor in late 2004 and early 2005. YOU WOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU WAS WORKING ON COMPUTERS BACK IN 2000s The ATX and BTX standards were both proposed by Intel. However, future development of BTX retail products by Intel was canceled in September 2006 (c)wp
Leo here: BTX is an Intel form factor that never took off. It moves the lower part of the motherboard above the CPU, so essentially the two halves swap over. It makes sense thermally but never came to pass. I don't think I ever saw a BTX board, despite starting work in this sector some years before 2006. The board you see in this review is a regular mATX that has been inverted.
my memory playin up-sorry got it part wrong i had 2 or 3 btx cases in 2006`s i converted them to atx dell case`s cant be done as there heat sink bolts though the back & io shield as to be cut out,lenovo can be done but the usb/sound wire have to be modded ,thats wat you would call it to day modding ,just intels cock up and no one took it on some nice cases tho
ruclips.net/video/c54rs_z7bVs/видео.html yes tec city call them btx but there btx stile case had a read of pc format from 2000
wtf this case lol from Korea
Thank but sh....
sorry mate you have missed the point completely with this case design.
i.imgur.com/hdKDBIF.jpg
Yes. Seems to completely mess with his OCD, repeatedly calling it "wrong" when it's simply a right-hand case, as uncommon as those are.
Those are the ugliest fans I have ever seen... why silverstone...
worst video on topic.