Is There Any TRUTH to Flood Myths?
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- Опубликовано: 16 дек 2018
- All over the world different cultures have similar stories about floods. Could there be a reason for this? Today we look at several cases of legendary flood myths from the past and try to find if there could be any truth to them. From the biblical flood featuring Noah and his ark all the way to Chinese emperor who could redirect water, we've got a lot to talk about!
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I've always been fascinated by stories that are common across cultures, including cultures that wouldn't come into contact with one another for several millennia
Check out Trey the explainers' video on Leviathan, it's really interesting and I think you might like it
ehm.. because floods are common in the world? Especially around rivers, where you know.. the first civilizations arose?
@@someguy6651 once upon a time the world followed most probably an Indo Aryan (but not related to European) culture. How else to explain Noah in Abrahamic faiths and Manuh in Dharmic faiths with same stories. Read about Mitanni kingdoms of current Canaan and Levant areas, predating Greek and any other civilization.
Until you noticed Japanese, Chinese, and Southeast Asian mythos lacks an actual 'global' flooding myths
Humans think alike
Aboriginal stories tell of when the coast of Australia was many miles further out to sea, their culture definitely remembered the time of lower sea levels.
Or they made it up. Like when we have urban myths that doesnt mean they are real, and theirs only happens to be realistic. This is especially interesting when considering that australia wasnt fully inhabited by the aboriginees until not too long ago, and wasnt even inhabited at all, until only a few thousand years ago. Long after the supposed flood which would extend the shores into the sea
@@MrGollum1996 Although I agree it may be just a myth, I am not sure you're talking about the correct continent? Australia has been inhabited by Aboriginals for at least 50,000 years, making Australian Aboriginals the oldest surviving culture on Earth, they defiantly would have been around when the sea levels rose. In fact in Western Australia ancient Aboriginal houses have been found on islands that would have been connected to the mainland 8,000 years ago.
@@SuperNinjaChef more like 60,000 years before. So yes really old culture. They must also be a type of culture that passes on knowledge/stories very strictly to keep it up all this time.
MrGollum1996 Urban myths have reason to be around
I dunno, is it really appropriate to call the aboriginal Australians the oldest culture in the world. That’s assuming that in 60,000 years since they came, they didn’t significantly change at all. I doubt that. The proto-Pama Nyungan language is estimated to have been spoken as recently as 4000 years ago, far more recent than the 60,000 they’ve inhabited the continent.
Ragnarok in Norse Myth also ends in a great flood. Just in case you didn't know.
Ragnorak however is a end time mythology, not a story depicting historical events.
Mythology yes..
Yet, like the story mentioned in the video of Vishnu's 1st avatar [fish] and Manu (which the Vedas claim to have happened millions of years ago). This like their story of Ram & Hanuman is meant to be taken as factual [and laden with sign/symbolism] for the cyclical nature of epochs, civilizations & time.
The names are not the most important thing here. It's the ideas that are.
Just like Ragnarok ending with a world submerged, the "Gods" slain & a great void..
There is birthed a lush new Earth & 2 human survivors emerge tasked to repopulate in this Garden...🐍(always that ol serpent too). 🍎
Instead of challenging the ability of ancestors to convey information.. it seems much more pertinent to look at the archetypes:
-Civilization out of "God's favor"
-Flood/Destruction
-Few survivors
-Repopulate the Earth
These themes are shared everywhere as a common thread of our human story.
A "game of telephone" type variation and twist from culture to culture, Yes Certainly.
But, with the key components echoing & mirroring from culture to culture.. just like megalithic stones to be uncovered everywhere as tell-tale clues to what has been... Use your logic people. No Coincidence!
@@tlpineapple1 Ragnarok is an end and beginning story. Ragnarok is supposed to be a cycle, where after the world ends it is reborn/populated by human survivors
@@stagbeetle195 the same is with christianity
After everything is set aflame by Surtr.
Isekai is the oldest Genre that every human seems to dig. "A flood came and transported me to another World that I have to repopulate"
That's a hentai
@@cavemann_ No it isnt. There is no such hentai that exists.
Don't need to bother posting the 6 digits in the comments section to prove it. I am confident there is no such thing.
@@praetorianguard261 There wasn't a flood, but the guy indeed was transported in order to repopulate the world. I call it close enough (you sure you don't want the codes?)
@@cavemann_ I am begging you whatever you do to *absolutely, definitely not* post these non-existent 6 digit numbers in this comment section for academic purposes.
@@cavemann_ there's a manga I can think of. Do you want the title?
Doggersland is interesting... During it's day it was a river delta where the Thames, Danube, and Seine all confluenced into one large river valley. It would've been extremely lush and fertile, with all kinds of things living there such as lions and rhinos.
*Most* of the inundation was gradual as you said, but around 6kya there were still a lot of remaining islands where people still lived. Then the thawing permafrost over in Norway caused a massive landslide, resulting in a megatsunami which wiped out all the remaining islands and would've gone at least 10-20' up over the shores of the British Isles. Even in Elizabethan England living near the sea was considered "bad luck" and you'll notice most ancient cities of England weren't built along the coat. I believe this "bad luck" myth sprung out of a cultural scar left by that event... Nobody knows how many people were washed out to sea, how many towns and villages wiped off the map, but it's quite possible people living a bit higher up in elevation had a good view of the destruction and retold the story to future generations.
My own paternal DNA comes from a group of people who arrived in the British Isles around the same time, and it's believed that they came from Doggersland for that reason.
The oldest video I have on this channel is actually about Doggerland, which is why I didn't really go into it in this video, but yes, people definitely would have experienced and remembered the aftermath of the storegga event.
Perhaps you meant the Rhine instead of the Seine. And yes, the flooding carved out the English Channel, so Britain then became an island.
Dan O'Connell it must have been horrible for the survivors that were trapped on islands and then suffer from a tsunami...
My cousin is a geologist and she basically supports your theory. Saying that all ancient cities we have discovered were actually the « hinterland » cities, less developed cities whereas the mega cities of the time were washed out
Danube? I think you mean the Rhine.
Rhine , not Danube
"Whether a culture could remember an experience like this for so long is still up for debate." Not in Australia. I live on Wurundjeri country, a 27,000 year old Nation that still has the song lines, maps in song, from Melbourne to Tasmania from before the waters rose 12,000 years or so ago.
Pretty doubtful
27,000 and 12,000 years, I wonder how they came up with those numbers?
@@daproblem679 carbon dating from wood charcoal of prehistoric fireplaces
J Jamison no, this is substantiated. www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-sea-rise-tale-told-accurately-for-10-000-years/
@@jamisojo How wrong you are lmao
You should cover the recently discovered Greenland meteorite that supposedly impacted near the north west Greenland ice sheet causing huge glacial melting and rapidly raising sea levels. This impact is pegged by scientists right at 13000 - 12800 years ago which coincides with many origin stories of the great flood around the world.
I'd like to know the reference...
Look into the Sudbury crater.
I would love to look into that. Any link?
@@jonny45k44 look up Hiawatha crater. It is a relatively new discovery and as such there is some debate as to it's validity but most of the arguments against it just call for more analysis of sediment under the glacier. And the time is not as exact as he says, it is unknown but estimated to be less then 3000000 years to 12000 years old, so young in terms of geology.
@@tomtexas4897 Thank you
I'm from Australia and even the Aboriginals have flood myths. Interestingly shares similarities with the Genisis flood myth. I study Ancient History at Uni and last year took a Myth class, lots of cultures have very similar creation myths also. Cultures that would definitely not been influenced by one another
Nice...but i ll tell you something different from ibrahimic vs pagans stories. Pagan pre flood knowledhe was stored by "their 7 magicians" ..while of monothuests by prophet ibrahim.The 7 magicians corruptd ppl s beliefs again to the extent that on whole earth only 3 ppl were monothiests at one point. One ibrahim..2nd sarah..n 3rd prophet lot..This much revenge sssatan.trued to take on humans.And satann n his team also tried to ddsrroy planet earth by manipulating comets n meteors...copying God.But God saved earth each time.
For the Eastern Mediterranean, there is also the Black Sea Deluge hypothesis. In around 5600 BC, the Black Sea may have formed from the breaching of the Istanbul land bridge, carving out the Bosphorus Strait and flooding the below sea level basin now occupied by the Black Sea.
I think this could have been the impetus for the dispersion of the Proto-Indo-European speaking peoples, starting from the northern Black Sea
@@shmuelparzal Seems most likely, as that is the center of the Caucasus region.
If you look on Google Earth, you will see no sign of any scour channel downstream from the Bosphorus into the Black Sea. Even large rivers such as the Indus and Ganges demonstrate this feature. Conclusion - there was no mega flood through the Bosphorous.
There is a similar theory about the Mediterranean(although I don't think it's been connected to flood myths). Both seas evaporate more water than they receive from rivers so they are fed by the Atlantic and when water levels lowered the straits would no longer feed them with water. Resulting in ever lower water levels and increasing salinity until their are only a few salty lakes and expansive salt flats. People are thought to have settled these drained seas. It is sad to think about how once the Atlantic's water level rose again and it flowed through the strait once more, that those in the basins would have fled from the rising waters to high land, but many of the higher points they fled to would quickly have turned to shrinking islands doomed to be submerged entirely, and those that had fled there would have been trapped.
@@Ratchet4647 the strait of gibraltor is over a thousand feet deep use that info as u will
I always figured flood myths were just mythological retellings of the ending of the last major glacial period, when coastlines disappeared, and people were pushed more inland. And yes cultures can remember things that go that far back, if it's in their oral traditions
The biblical flood is a myth. Where did enough water to flood the entire earth above its tallest mountaintops come from and where did it all disappear to afterwards?
Earlier Indians used to live in the South part of India, also called the Sangamtamil. It is said, that when the sea levels started rising, Lord Manu warned the people of the sea level rise. It's said that it was Lord Manu who guided the people up north in the Indo-Gangetic plains. He wrote a book called Manu Smriti which was a code of Laws. It was written in this book that no Indian should cross the Narmada(a river that divided North and South India).
It is said that the Vishnu's Matsya Avatar came at this point and helped Lord Manu.
Lord Murugan also helped the people to survive in southern India. These like incidents are mentioned in 'Kanda puranam".
I read somewhere that manu means noah in hindi, probably the story degwnerated over time
I think that Manu didn't wrote Manusmiriti.
@@Private.R manu is most probably not even real
@@kushal4956 I read somewhere that, Manu who built boat is different than Manu who wrote Manusmiriti. First one was a Sage and latter was a king.
So, Two different guys....
It’s also interesting that in the Bible story about the Flood it says that water came from underneath the earth. It reminds me of that video taken during Japan’s earthquake where water was coming out of the floor due to something called liquefaction. There are different sources of water in the earth not only rain. Thanks for the information! It was very interesting.
thanks for mentioning this
Where is that mentioned in the bible?
@@martiqmarty Genesis 7:11 :) and it’s mentioned again in 8:2
@@vanevenezuela5781 Thank you
About 400 miles below the earth’s surface is a reservoir that has 3x more water than all of the oceans combined. It was discovered in 2014. I wonder if that could have caused global flooding.
you confused adriatic with tirranean sea, the one at the left of the map is the tirranean, the adriatic is at the right of the italian peninsula.
Ale city
I was thinking the same 😆
Grazie e ciao d'ìItalia.
Ale city l was also confused as he uttered the wrong name. But you have epically misspelled the name :) it’s „Tyrrhenian Sea“ ;)
He's confused about a lot of things
@@alitalati oh sorry, translated directly from spanish (tirreno).
I know it after 10 months because it's the first time someone corrects that mistake to me. and yes I didn't see the notification I know that because I impulsively answer things like this.
The Greenland meteorite that was discovered last year could have also lead to many of the flood Myths
Agreed. I believe the Younger Dryas event is the most likely inspiration.
I don't know man. If you think for a sec, floods happen anywhere. If a hard rain pours, flash flood happens. It doesn't need to be of the same event because floods happen all the time, independent of each other.
The map at 7:45 is an absolutely amazing piece of information!
Imagine what we could find when we re-explore those sunken lands! Lost civilizations, a missing link in human evolution, ect.
That map also reminds us about our fragile existence here on Earth and how nature could totally alter our history and life as we know it...
Nice pfp, academic decathlon?
You are one lucky ones to live today.😊
I saw some research that indicated that in fact the ice sheets at the end of the last Ice Age largely melted in less than 50 years. As a result the massive increase in sea level was actually a very rapid event.
Also it is worth noting that verbal oral memory is extremely strong. People like the indigenous Australian cultures amongst others have always relied on Oral Tradition.
When you think the their oral traditions go back some 40,000 years it becomes plausible that this is the main explanation for the Flood Myth
There were 2 ice ages...one ancient ice age was when humans werent on earth but in souls form in heavens...
I think that there's an aboriginal oral myth of rising seas that's been traced back to the last ice age
Electro_blob well in certain localized events people certainly could’ve died
Makes sense to me, they definitely have the myth. I read that while the melt was happening, the ocean would be moving inland a 1/2 mile per year, which would obviously be noticed and remembered
@Electro_blob
Actually, it didn't happen over centuries. Large glacial lakes formed, dammed by ice walls, that grew to enormous sizes. Lake Agassiz was one of these lakes. When the ice wall that held that huge lake gave way, hundreds of millions of gallons of water poured into the ocean, causing tidal waves and submerging huge sections of land, never to be seen again. That had to be catastrophic. Humans were still in the hunter/gatherer stages so they lived in small groups as it was so you wouldn't have large populations that survived. Groups wouldn't have numbered more than 30 to 40 before it all started. It would be small family groups, many of them going through great hardship after the deluge until things started to settle down and they could become accustomed to their forced new environments.
This video mentioned the Dogger Banks. This was an area between the mainland and England, that sat above sea level. It was an area bigger that Great Britain and most of it would have disappeared almost instantly after one of those glacial dams burst. Thousands would have drowned just in this area and those that survived would have been on the mainland, scared to death. It would be difficult for us to even imagine the magnitude of those events. We think that the tsunami in Japan or Indonesia are incredible catastrophes. They were nothing but big waves compared to what happened then.
Electro_blob yes but they dont know if it will keep moving in land
@Electro_blob maybe the sea levels didn't rise over centuries but in a much, much shorter time frame. If there were a meteor impact that abruptly raised global temperatures, glaciers could have melted in a matter of months. This, in turn would have not only raised sea levels but would have had a cascading effect on the climate as well. I'm not sure why these stories would have the same narrative of the single survivor or surviving family, but it's plausible there was a global event that changed the climate much quicker than several generations.
Literally handed in my Master's Thesis about the Flood Myth in Mesopotamian, Israelite and Greek mythology - coming across this video would have been reeeeeal helpful last week!
So students in west discovering n seeing such things..kool
I believe the glaciers melting causing sea levels to rise is the most likely, but it was passed down through oral stories so much, and through so many languages, that it was dramatized and characters were added throughout time, to the point that most of the original story is gone, and the only original part left is the part where there was a lot of flooding
I have the same opinion
@@experience741 man, that flooding that happened must have been *inconceivable.*
Drama? It was catastrophe..first shower of meteors n then ice..cities sunk literally...ice hitting towns.Magicians n scientists did trt but failed.Some even tried to escape earth.its been millenias their bodies may have been destryd in sea...but those ij north...one can find frozen bodies...
very well put. id like to note just to add to this that they have recently confirmed a impact crater in Greenland dating to roughly 11-12k years(i forgot the exact date of top of my head)
Two huge flood events you overlooked.
One is the formation of the Bosporus strait. It is likely to have cause a serious flood in the area around Black Sea and even though it is generally believed to have happened much earlier, there is a theory that it happened as late as 5,600 B.C. It remains an unconfirmed theory but it has been suggested as the root of the flood stories both in Gilgamesh and the bible.
Another confirmed event, is the Storegga megastunami that flooded Doggerland and the coastlines around the North Atlantic c. 6,100 B.C.
There is also a meteor crater. In the middle of the indian ocean
In Torotoro, Bolivia 3000 meters altitude you can find a ton of History: from thousands of shell fossils to footprints of dinosaurus, and a lot of caves and incredible landscapes. A good place for research.
5:58 This theory is too real. I did an internship on an archeological site in the Mediterranean region, where we took a drive up to the top of a mountain. There were seashells everywhere. The place I was staying at was a five minute walk from the beach. There were about as many seashells where I dug on the site as where the tides reached on the beach. Like massive amounts of seashells on the hill top.
Geology is cool. Given enough time, the Earth moves a lot!
4:42 I didn't realise they had ariports in 1600 BCE. You learn something new every day.
Ariports lmao
@@wife_puncher_bot8483 r/whooosh
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they got seriously lucky though, imagine if they'd placed it on the other side
The global event makes sense if you consider the idea that the great megafauna extinction came from some kind of climate change event including flooding.
The chinese version is interesting, very practical, invent drainage system to solve problem
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteinberg lol to you
@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteingoldmanberg who are trying to offend ?
@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg 😂😂😂😂.Lol on you white superiorist
@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg Lol on you inferiority complex affected guy.
@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg lol says someone with name yitzhak. his mama gonna slap him for disrespect.
0:33 it should be Abrahamic not only Christian.
Islam has a similar story
@@beaconblaster33 Islam is Abrahamic religion
@@gnd8264 oh didn't know that thx
@@beaconblaster33 Yea but it's not exactly the same. For example in Christianity the fllood was on whole world while in Quran it was only on the Nation.
@@burhan1527 thx
1:51
Aztecs* or Mexicas*
M E X I C A S*
Cipactli is not a mayan word, but a Náhuatl one
This guy has lot of mistakes in his videos... Low budget history
No no no! It was made by the cthulu.
@@crazycookfyrelomenot no stupid culture's can be confusing
@@redeadbone9007 It's hard to know what is good when you have a low IQ
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interesting, this was made just about when I was starting to hear confirmed reports of the 12k bce astroid impact in greenland. When I heard how it raised global sea levels it instantly came to my mind as a possible explanation.
The way I see it, why do we assume that ancient people knew there was land underneath the ocean? The ocean being the collective origin from every culture *makes sense* because everything appears to arise above it.
The flood myth being a shared story for every culture makes sense with this logic as a back drop, since the fear of all land returning to the sea from whence it came would be a common fear people knew others would have. It's just the world ending in water, rather than fire or ice.
Probably shouldn't have spilled my drink on my world map carpet...
I'm a proponent of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis. The recession of the last ice age is a fascinating topic!
I'm sold on the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis myself, but am not yet sold on Atlantis existing.
00:40 I'm tripping! That tunnel 3D effect is weird!
Lag
I think I prefer the ice melt when the ice age ended as the explanation. It's about 10 000 years ago, and civilizations sprang up a few thousand years after that. It would make sense that they all had this ancestral memory, though. Ocean levels would have been steadily rising during their pre-history and beyond.
It sounds to me that the suspiciously common theme of a god warning a select few to build a boat might come from an original Proto-Indo-European Flood Myth, probably as ancient as the sinking of Doggerland and the flooding of the Black Sea. It then segmented into stories with similar structures, like the languages themselves.
I just stumbled on your channel recently, but I have to say I dig your content. Your videos are detailed but with a perfect dash of brevity. I am surprised though you didn't mention anything about the younger dryas.
Anywho, keep up the awesome work. Cheers mate!
How about dragon myths that are common among all cutures? would love to see a break down of that
Aron Ra has a video on that, it's pretty comprehensive I'd say.
8:04 bro that's the Adriatic Sea you're pointing at
The Tirrenian is the big one on the Western coast
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why does it say in christian mythology if it was originated from jewish mythology?
Jewish truth is one-half of Christian truth. They just don't accept the New Testament. You should read it, unconditional love is something every human needs.
@@Boofatcha yea but I think it should be said where its actually originated from and not from what is newer or something
You have a point.
There’s no such thing as Christian mythology or Jewish mythology, there is only Christianity and Judaism.
Could’ve easily said “Judeo-Christian”, which would not only include its canonicity within Christian scripture, but also its origins within Jewish scripture. :P
I've always figured flood myths were retellings of an ancient, forgotten early modern human myth that propagated and diversified as humans carried them to different parts of the world. Same with the "Sky Father" religious/mythological figure. Many of them have too many similarities to be sheer coincidence.
I stick with the biblical telling, the measurements of the ark is perfect for a not propelled ship, and the ark being found on the ararat
@@daanvos194 noahs ark is impossible, no ship could hold billions of animals for 40 days, also 2 of each species is not enough that's just straight up incest, it's impossible
I'm going to ignore both of you, every argument for and against the ark has been done to death, I will only be dealing with OP and the premise they put forth.
Anyhow, I was actually kind of surprised to find that this _isn't_ an accepted theory, all things considered. With all the similarities in the stories told, I think it's pretty undeniable that this comes from back when all of humanity was all 'one race' in 'one society.' Now, everyone will fight to their dying breath on whether this was Noah's family of 8, or 'Chromosomal Adam' and 'Mitochondrial Eve' (who despite their names, are the atheist alternative) and their offspring, and I don't care. Obviously both can't be true, but whatever happened, all humankind came from an uncomfortable amount of incest... unless you think that new humans evolve from apes _every single year_ keeping the bloodline... pure? or something? not pure? because you're constantly introducing new DNA? Whatever. Look up 'agnostic.' Agnosticism means not caring, or at the very least declaring that it can not definitively be known.
Back to the subject at hand, it's safe to assume that various universally held concepts that every race in the world has, where formed at, or before this time period. This includes the flood myth, I think there's a 'Tower of Babel' equivalent in most cultures, the very concept of God or deities, all of that stuff. One more time for the people in back, I believe that these *_stories_* existed by this time, not that they are necessarily 'true history.'
@@Wendy_O._Koopa
Many Asian cultures lack the idea of a flood myth. Flood myths mostly happen just because, well, floods are common? And yes, humans have evolved from apes, we can literally trace it back across many species. Ape to human is drastic and realistically, it was more incremental.
@@DannyLeWasTaken I think your stuck in Imma-debate-sum-Christians mode, and it's keeping you from reading what I actually said. I clearly stated _"every single year"_ and put it in italics because it was _very important._ I made the claim that all humans have been traced back to 'Chromosomal Adam' and 'Mitochondrial Eve' and it's a little unclear of if they were apemen or humans because different scientists make different claims. The _main point_ is that humans from Africa, humans from Europe, and humans from Asia, have all been shown to be ancestrally linked together.
The idea that these different groups are from some form of convergent evolution has been thoroughly debunked. I basically said there is one species of human in the modern world. For you to explain that "We did evolve from apes, actually." is either a mistake on your part, or a deliberate attempt to paint me in an unfavorable light, by ascribing positions I don't hold, to me.
From a biological standpoint, there was a time when the human population was reduced to something like 500 breeding individuals; perhaps at that time they were more localized, so maybe just one big event could've happened in wherever they were at the time.
The big issue would still be whether or not we can remember events through history like that but it at least makes a singular big event more likely, right, since that one event doesn't really have to have a global effect any more.
that happened hundreds of thousands of years, possibly millions of years ago though
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thef86f same
"Very, very, VERY big tsunami"
Cuts to a small wave lmaoo
I love the editing in this 🤣
Still odd that the many displaced cultures used a similar survival story of one man or family. That part needs further explaining
whats there to explain? only those without faith doubt the flood.
In the Islamic faith we believe in Noah's story, And we also believe that God have sent a messenger to every nation teaching them about God and about messengers who came before "Noah"
That could explain it ☺
John Massingale easier to explain, it’s always one man doing stuff in mythology
It's a metaphoric device to emphasize how only a few people survived. Myths all follow a few fairly simple formulas.
For story telling purposes. Easier to explain, better story. As time goes on, events will be exaggerated. It might of started as a whole nation, then a tribe, then a family, then a single person.
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No
I saw the JRP im watching it now.
Yep, he ignored most of the research done by these authors. Like most of his videos very very poor level of research. he should learn from the "Bright Insight" channel.
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Also, I would like to point out that the indigenous people of Tierra del Fuego of Chile and Argentina do retain memory of the ice melt and rising sea level. For instance, this is what separated the Ona from the Tehuelche of the main land as the Ona never realized how to make boats (they are also very heavy and tall and the available trees are tricky) like their neighbooring Yamana and Kawesqar did.
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The reason so many cultures have flood myths is because most ancient cultures were based around rivers and/or coastal regions (i.e. areas that tend to flood) for agricultural, logistical, and trade reasons. One thing we know definitely *didn't* happen was a single worldwide event as literally described in Genesis. I'll leave a link to Aron Ra's series on the subject where he breaks down all the ways we know for certain that such a flood never happened.
ruclips.net/p/PLXJ4dsU0oGMJP95iZJqEjmc5oxY5r6BzP
Obviously yes, it makes sense that cultures that lived near bodies of water for resources would experience floods, couple that with no understanding of the science behind it and superstitious thinking you get flood myths.
I did a paper on this in college. There are over 600 global flood myths we know of. Many of these people had similar stories written around the same points in human history but would not have ever had ANY contact with each other. People in Latinoamerica and Northamerica wouldn't have had contact with the aboriginal people in Australia, or humans in Europe. I have always wondered.
Edit: I don't personally believe local floods would be the cause of all these cultures saying the same thing. Because otherwise they would state it was just their lands. But it's also super interesting that most of these stories contain the same elements, mankind was bad or had something wrong with them, a diety appears to a righteous person, instructs him to build a boat and then floods the earth to kill mankind. These people NEVER knew each other but had the same type of story which if hundreds of cultures have the same elements for whatever reason it's more than a coincidence.
the native caribou farmers in Russia still remember when mammoths roamed their land during the last ice age so its definitely possible
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thank you! Happy to hear it :)
There's also an idea that there was an additional vapor layer in the atmosphere that collapsed causing a massive flood.
That was one of the more... theoretical ideas I found, but I'd love to hear about the evidence for it!
@Mycel I haven't seen the literature fully, but if I had to spitball, we know the moon was likely made by meteor impact splitting a chunk of the Earth off into space. Not impossible that a large amount of water was ejected into orbit by something like what made the Chicxulub crater. As for how it would collapse, I'd want to know more about how water behaves if it was in orbit. There's enough large scale phenomena that happens in our current atmosphere that I don't feel knowledgeable enough about that I wouldn't want to even start guessing about a hypothetical one.
I've heard some interesting claims and speculations regarding the Canopy Theory (which, interestingly, is popular among some lay Christians but not among many of the serious creation-oriented researchers), such as that it might've been a very high ice canopy. However, Frank Sherwin, a scientist now with the Institute for Creation Research, once personally told me that one reason why many at the ICR and similar organizations reject the Canopy Theory is that their own computer models seem to show that it would've quickly killed all life on earth with a runaway greenhouse effect.
@Mycel Well, it would make sense considering allot of different cultures tell of massive monsters before the "great flood" event. Such as in Christian belief, it says the air was more rich before the flood and it was possible for the nephilim to fly and exist.
@@Captain1nsaneo it doesn't sound very likely that this water vapor would remain in the atmosphere for 4 billion years after the moon was ripped from the Earth.
People were familiar with flooding. Rivers do it all the time. That seems like the most probable place for inspiration for these stories.
There is also the Black Sea glacial dam. The Black sea used to be seperated from the Mediterranean by dry land, but as the glaciers melted and the Mediterranean water level rose, the water spilled into the Black Sea from the Mediterranean very quickly, raising its level suddenly. There is archeological evidence for settlements around the Black sea that have been buried by the water.
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There's a third option: a local flood that affected a large enough set of the population of the time that the survivors went on to spread the story to most of the world whether through cultural or genetic exchange.
how tf do you spread a story through "genetic exchange"
@@davidevandelli11 Sorry that wasn't well worded. I was simply making a distinction between passing knowledge onto the next generation vs spreading it through cultural influence on genetically unrelated population.
Biblically speaking, there were no rainbows and it apparently never rained prior to the flood. That would be quite a major change on the earth.
@Michael Enquist in Genesis it says the water came from the ground.
@@kkhunt7 that still wouldn't explain the millions of years worth of erosion all over the earth blindly creating recognizable formations like the grand canyon
@@TheVideoIsLongEnough in Genesis the 1st chapter starts with "in the beginning". No one knows where the beginning was. If you read the chapter further, you will see there was a long time period on which water had a very big influence on the earth, before all other things came. Also the creatures that emerged on earth, described in the chapter, support the evidence of dinosaurs. And the Bible says of itself that one day is not literal but describes a period of thousands of years.
@@SheldonY14 That's a dishonest distortion of genesis at best. The bible makes no mention of animals beyond what the authors were familiar with, either real or folklore. Dinosaurs were by far not the only lineages of animals to come and go, and there is insurmountable evidence against a global flood event in the fossil record, aswell as the geological strata. Not to mention that bottlenecking entire populations into only a handful of members would be considered extinction, especially apex predators which depend on bountiful populations of prey, not just two members. There is also the glaring issue of isolated ecological consistency which could not exist if a global flood happened anywhere during human history. The only way to explain how the ecosystems today are the way they are is if the global flood event either preceded all of human history, including our mammilian ancestry, or it didnt happen
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My support for what I just said, you can find in these links listed below. I'm not here to argue about if the Bible is true or not. You have your views and I respect them. I would never say you have to believe in the Bible, that's a choice that a person himself has to make. And I am happy to hear how you think about the matter, by reading what you just wrote.
Here is the list: www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502018115&srcid=share
www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502019176&srcid=share
This one explains the scientific evidence for it really to have happened.
wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989038?q=flood+really+happened&p=par
I don't expect you to read them. But it's just another opinion. But hey we believe what we want to believe and if you view something else in a different way I respect that.
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Explanation 0: An astroid hit the earth where now is the Hudsonbay ... it hit the iceplate and the heat caused the ice to melt (also forming that big lake you mentioned). This would cause the earth coastlines to flood and many people to die basically somewhat over night...
Good video. Interesting topic.
Although, I'd like to point out that Manu was an avatar of Vishnu, the first avatar. And, in a sense, he was the "Adam" of Hindu mythology.
Vishnu's avatars were also Ram and Krishna, the leads of the famous epics, Ramayan and Mahabharat. These epics also have many similar roots to other Indo-European mythologies. You should look into that.
So yeah, Vishnu was one pro-active dude. :p
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In south of india there is a poem in the tamil book aganannuru from the sangam literature describing that the older landmass in which the tamil kingdom the pandiyas ruled was sank down by the sea.
Great video. I have thought and discussed all of these on the old Randi forums...
You are spot on on all hypothesis...
and most probably, ALL of them contributed in different proportions at each area, to the flood myth.
Interesting enough, 1900 BCE was Longshan culture(yellow river) collapsed.
Wu Shu and Mu Shu my man.
Super interesting as always. I bet there's some selection bias when it comes to flood myths as well. It's not an incredibly complicated idea to base a myth around, as floods happen all the time, so it shouldn't be surprising that many different cultures develop flood myths independently.
I really wish I could support you on Patreon, but alas, I am a broke uni student.
Glad you enjoyed :) That's true, basically everyone understand the concept of a flood and would believe that one had happened. Don't worry about the patreon, I'm a broke uni student too ;)
Before i watch, my theory is that the great flood of every religion and culture, was due to a rising sea level that couldve even been a slight dramatic change, flood the coastal, and river civilisations.
Very interesting video, I’m glad to see that my favorite flood myth explanation included. The retreat of the glaciers at approximately 12,000 BCE, the environmental change this process no doubt brought many new tales to the clans of our species all over the world. I would have loved to have heard the drama of the elders tale sitting around the campfire.
...we know the global event that happened?????? It was the Greenlandic impact crater that was recently unearthed (uniced? it was under a glacier). It hit 12000 years ago (matching to every single flood myth), it hit the centre of the northern hemisphere massive ice sheet and there is the Younger Dryas line like the KT boundary around the world. It also matches peoples' descriptions about floods and great fires, including Atlantis' destruction (which is known as the Richat Structure today)
www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/11/massive-crater-under-greenland-s-ice-points-climate-altering-impact-time-humans
It is much less speculation when everything matches up. The impact, the YD archaeological line, the same flood myths from the same time, etc.
Also, oral traditions are being proven right and left from Australia (www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-sea-rise-tale-told-accurately-for-10-000-years/) to Heiltsuk Wawis (www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/archeological-find-affirms-heiltsuk-nation-s-oral-history-1.4046088). Their veracity keeps getting proven
Definitely another great theory and I'm sad I missed it. Whether anything is definitive is still up in the air, and several localized theories explain certain myths better (and reach further inland). Great addition though, thanks for watching!
@@AtlasPro1 Sorry for being sassy, I have been in a mood recently, but yeah check it out, it all lines up really neatly
I certainly like it!
@Electro_blob I know you are not serious in unpacking this when you say something like "Even in Native American stories..." and then name a story specific only to a select few countries and their nations on this continent
First of all, none of the histories or myths are overtly dated, many which refer to the 12kya flood refer to previous cataclysmic events prior. However, the age of many narratives *are* known because of cross-disciplinary work. Archaeology coupled with cultural narratives shows us the Secwépemc histories of events very clearly back 7,500 , 9 000 and more years ago. The dating on Heiltsuk stories, Yolŋu stories and other Indigenous stories across the world verify the historicity of event they describe in their histories
So, now we have archaeological proof of now two impact craters dating to c.12 000 ya that aligns with flood histories that span the globe and relate very similar but very locally dependent tales. The consistency of the tales as well as the certainty in which they are told of specific events (like Cowichan's story of the mountain-top glacier breaching the flood waters' surface and floating like a great white whale or the Greek story of Deucalion and Pyrrha setting down on probably Mount Parnasus) and the intersecting lineage histories (like the SE Asian "emerge-from-a-gourd" stories that lead to the various SE Asian ethnic groups today)
Your little "Native American" story is about as useful as saying the "Asian flood story" or "European flood story" ... there was not just one, there were hundreds of stories that emerged from this cataclysm. We also have continued strands of verifiable stories from antediluvian times, in Yolŋu's/other First Nations in Australia's case back 60+000 years. These stories tell of events that happen on landmasses that have since disappeared. The same kinds of landscape-verifiable stories found on the Cascadian coast which talk about very-much-found villages from those stories back 13+000 years
Oral history and oral/manual transmission is actually very, very sturdy and while specific details gets overblown, ignored or fudged along the way, that is not the point of the stories. The stories are to related cultural narratives and histories to be turned over by each successive generation. But, seriously, two massive meteor impacts at the heart of the Ice Age ice sheet (Hiawatha Crater) that happened c.12 and 11 000 years ago will not result in exaggerated tales. In fact, it probably would be so cataclysmic that any stories alive today would be underwhelming compared to what people lived through at that time
Very interesting, reminds me of a geomytholgy paper I wrote in college linking the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah to major earthquakes in the Dead Sea Basin.
Written before watching video. Bright insight talks about the flood that occurred 12,000 years ago. If im not mistaken an astroid hit near greenland at around that time which could have cause rising sea levels. Theres rock data that shows a rapid rise in sea levels. This is just a quick summary. In my opinion i feel like there is some truth to old stories since there would have to be a reason behind the story itself. Stories and songs could be a form of history since humans we like to having meaning behind everything said.
Edited- also the fact that many different civilizations around the world also speak of a flood should further prove that a flood occurred
I love your videos dude. Keep it up. You could be a good geography instructor.
Dude, you've gotten 10k subs in the last day!
These are possible explanations for "why a flood" but not "why I man,few animals, etc"
So I think. Part 2 is in order
@Lord Furīza what was your point when typing this comment
Everyone knows there old stories (one might say thats the reason for investigating there connection/lack thereof) obviously it would have pass from generation to generation
It's not common to several civilisation
Most civilisation have a similar story but why in such a manner
There is essentially limitless ways this story could have gone but they all seem to circle a specific "drain"
You have to ask yourself the real questions, Is this a story from when we were just one tribe, are there more stories like this, what does this story say about us
Even myths have a meaning and a reason
@@marb.u.b8263 ..To explain why are we still here after the flood?
The narrators (most of these myth had been past down orally for ages before someone wrote that down) want to "kill" as many people as possible - since casualties is a good way for us to image the scale of that disaster, and 80% casualty is not impressive enough for an "End of time" (many zombie/postnuclear settings kill off 99% of the population, with cities that used to have millions now only have a few hundreds). But they can't kill 100% off, since you will run into an unanswerable question: "If such a massive flood do happen, then why are we still here?". So they invented the "2 people survived" bit, as a quick fix for that problem.
It's a really common myth that there are stories about a family, ship and animals, a lot of people claim it but thats strict to middle eastern ones.
@@marb.u.b8263 I don't think we were ever just one tribe. I'm not sure what you mean by tribe in that statement.
@Electro_blob the idea that there actually was a global flood is not a very good explanation. There is no physical explanation or physical evidence for it.
The fact that there are similar stories around the globe could easily be explained by the fact that there are rivers all over the globe. Rivers flood. Sometimes they flood really bad.
My explanation is physically possible and observable. Yours requires a supernatural being they we cannot prove exists.
Therefore, my mine is the simpler explanation.
You had Lake Agassiz, but also all the Great Lakes were much larger than they are today. Originally Lake Superior flowed out of Duluth, down through St. Louis and St. Croix valleys. When it first burst the moraine in Duluth, the river was about a mile wide. Add that to the Mississippi, and you might have an explanation for the existence of flood myths in the Midwest, far from any coast.
6:48 There’s a pretty big difference between “4400 square kilometers” and 440,000 square kilometers.
“many people believed”
Ken Ham is one of them
Sundaland... Maybe you should make video about that same as Doggerland
Hey mang you should do a video on Glacial Lake Missoula. It was what created the Scablands in Washington state and carved the Colombia River Gorge overnight
The Thera volcanic event has been used to explain the plagues in Exodus plus draining of the Reed Sea waters (pre Tsunami).
Can't remember where I heard this from so take this with all the grains of salt in the world, but orl history might not be as unreliable as we writers think.
Oral societies would have had elders that specialised in memorizing stories and recounting them to the young. Combine that with the fact that hunter-gatherers might have had much more free time than farmers, and not much to spent it on other than telling and listening go stories, and I can easily see how a group of people might have retain stories going thousands of years back without writing.
Gstrangeman96 Exactly!! In Hindu religion Vedas are the most sacred books which are called 'Shruti' means heard. Earlier it was passed to generations Orally only. Written form came a lot later..
Yeah. But it also reminds me of a game we used to play in kindergarten. The teacher would whisper a story to one student, then the student would whisper to another, to another, to another, to another. The last student would have to say what they heard out loud, and it often ended up being quite different from what the teacher originally told.
renge9909 Yes, Because they hear it only 1 time. But In this type of education it will be repeated by Gurus till you learn each and every word correctly.
It’s probably a sort of mix of all these theories tbh
Very informative and very chill.
I remember watching an presentation about underwater seas pouring in abruptly on the surface considering there's more water under the earth's surface is there any event that would create such an thing ? .might be worth researching more about it @atlas pro
Says it's Mayan, uses Aztec name
Wow, people got flooded in the past and made stories of it? Fucking christ early man was smart
They just discovered an impact crater over Greenland which explains the
great worldwide flood. It was discovered by NASA beneath Hiawatha
Glacier. Amazing times!
I like the vid well done, I have one question, in the beginning of the vid you stated that early on these civilizations had no contact with each other while it may be true at that point in the timeline, we're still not sure of the geopolitical makeup of the earth before say the Younger Drias event, maybe there was a thriving trade network worldwide before the event, so these flood myth's may have a single origin
*Small village got flooded*
*1000 years of story telling later*
Locals in that area : the whole world got flooded! and Only 5 people survived!
And this happened across most cultures. BS
D'Angelo Tringali actually this is very likely considering the act of exaggerating a story is definitely not limited to just one culture. When there is no way to hear the original story, there is nothing stopping a story from be exaggerated until in becomes mythology. Also think about how most early civilizations exclusively existed around rivers. Rivers can flood the areas around them when it rain more that normal. So no, this isn’t BS, it’s a probable theory that is much more likely to be correct than a god being mad.
@@amurrjuan If you recorded a world-wide flood, you recorded a world-wide flood. Being near a river does not change that.
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@@dangelotringali7527 If your entire world revolves around that river, never leaving more the a few miles away from it, then a massive flood of the river might seem like the world has flooded.
noah isnt from chiristianity, its from judaism
Cos Ta Noah is both in the Torah as well as the Old Testament in the Bible. While he originated from Judaism, he is still a crucial aspect in Christian theology.
@@adamharris3212 lmao ur name, also isnt the "old testament" a copy paste in rnglish of the torah?
@@costa2018 and the Jewish flood myth is a copy/past of a Babylonian myth.
Terry Gilbert not true, the Torah was written 5778 years ago while the Babylonian empire only started in 612 BCE, get your facts straight :/
Noah, is from judaism then christian, and the last islam.
I like your stuff. Good job 👍🏼. A suggestion though; slow the speech by about 25%. It’ll sound more like a documentary 👌🏽
But what of The Creationists theory of Pangea Being destroyed by Tsunamis from all directions. It’s more complex than it sounds.
Amazing research man you're up there with real life lore and extra credits love it
In 2001 I went on a trip to AZ with a church youth group. At the time I has a pretty big interest in general science and I was really excited to see the Grand Canyon on our trip. As we're driving through some hills I hear the youth leader say "Wow look at all the lines. What a great flood it was. So much devastation." Implying that the sediment lines were all created from one flooding event. Even went on to wonder how many people were still in there. I had to bite my tongue real hard on that trip.
I'm not knocking on religion here, but it bugs the crap out of me when I hear people twist studies to fit their beliefs without anything to back it up and then pass it on to others as fact.
Same church said the universe is perfectly build for us, and that we are in perfect alignment with the universe. My dad put a hand on my shoulder because he was sure I was going to say something xD
"....and then pass it on to others as fact." You were with a CHURCH youth group, possibly IN THEIR bus. What did you expect? That they'd be atheists? That makes your judgement very unreliable, and your word without credibility.
@@linikit maybe it wasn't his church.
Maybe he doesn't go to a church that believes the Bible literally.
Most Christians do not take the Bible literally. They aren't stupid.
@@jamisojo "Most Christians do not take the Bible literally." It depends on which Christians you're referring to. If you're talking about the Roman Catholics, then "most" if not ALL of them believe on the Pope and their edicts, not the Bible at all. If you're talking about evangelicals, then MOST of them believe the Bible in its entirety, where parts of it may be allegorical, symbolic, metaphorical, literal etc., but the whole Bible as an inspired word of God. I did not mention stupid, but the book of Romans chapter 1 verses 18 thru 22 calls atheists "fools".
@@linikit If you're going to make an ass and an idiot out of yourself, think twice about what you're saying.
Yeah, I would say you're right on the youth leader being absolutely wrong, but hey, I am assuming he was assuming that the canyon was forged out of the Flood. Not everyone knows that much about the canyon, so hey, be a little merciful of the ignorant. (I myself am Catholic, and absolutely believe that the flood occurred, but I'm not an idiot, not every major land feature was made by the flood.)
Anybody know the name of the chillhop song at 3:05?
Most of the rivers mentioned in the video are predominantly fed by mountain snow and/or glacial. With the warming of the Earth that led to melting at that time, it would cause massive flooding in the lower reach of the rivers. Hence the Great Flood stories from most civilizations that were found along the rivers.