2:54 - Doggerland - A sunken land mass connecting the British Isles to mainland Europe 11:10 - The Grand Banks - A few sunken land masses off the east coast of Canada 23:23 - The Channel Islands - Use to be a larger single landmass off the coast of California called Santa Rosae 27:33 - The Tuamotu Atolls - Use to be an island archipelago in the South Pacific 29:06 - Sunken Island Chains in the South Pacific off the north east coast of Papua New Guinea use to be more prominent 30:56 - Salas Y Gomez Ridge - A series of sunken island chains near Rapa Nui (Easter Island) in the South Pacific 33:56 - The Mascarene Plateau - A sunken island archipelago in the West Indian Ocean between the Seychelles and Mauritius islands off the east coast of Madagascar
There is actually another ridge in South America, the Nazca ridge. It goes from the coast of Nazca, in Peru, all the way to the Salas y Gomez ridge, near the Desventuradas islands. It's basically two different ridges that are connected.
Yeah because England without an easy way out of fighting France directly instead of pillaging India to pay mercenaries to do the warring they would be instantly conquered and you would actually get a somewhat French Empire similar to China in both population and a stronger "center of the world" mindset covering Europe by the time of Louis the XIV
@@fizzylovesjam5378 Well unlike uk constantly losing to France and having to do propaganda about it thinking they won the hundred years war or something. Continental Europe powers always were more powerful and had better living conditions than the swampy island inhabitants of the uk, so thinking you can even compare to France the most powerful country of Europe and the strongest in all matters with an hegemony of +1100 years is laughable. The teethIess brits are among the biggest losers against France so obviously we can feel the salt coming from you speaking in a language with more French words than english ones, having a population of 45% French descent and 25% German descent with barely any trace of british because you lost all wars to Frankish, French, Celtic, Gaelic and Germanic tribes and vikings😅.
@@corsacs3879 Uk does that all the time unjustly to it's European neighbors it's perfectly normal they receive hate in return especially of what they did in history. Them leaving the Eu is just their latest treason, and I hope they will split with Scotland and northern Ireland to stay in the EU.
These videos just keep getting better! I've been hoping to see you make a video on the Aral Sea, but if there's enough content there, an "Earth's Lost Seas" video might be a nice inverse-companion to this one...
Am i the only one who wants a full map of the earth but with these islands and the lands from the lost continents video? I think that would be so cool looking.
Regarding the Scotian Shelf: The Mi’kmaq, the local indigenous people, have likely been here at least 10,000-13,000 years, but there are some gaps in the archaeological record. It has been theorized that their ancestors actually settled parts of the Scotian Shelf that were exposed during the last glacial maximum, resulting in these sites now being covered by ocean. Considering they were historically a semi-nomadic people with strong fishing and boating traditions, it would make sense that they would settle the coast and gradually retreat inland as the waters rose.
I love the content but I almost feel like it’s too much for one video. It’s a lot to digest at once for some and I can see how some people might be offput by how long the video is so they decide not to watch
I never realized how much I was interested in geology, until I started watching atlas pro. The content I never knew I needed lol I also prefer the longer videos. Packs in more information 😆
It's awesome that you touched on the Mascarene Plateau. In geography class in high school in the late '90s, our teacher asked us to write a profile of a fictional country located somewhere on Earth. I created a country out of the whole Mascarene Plateau, imagining that it was hundreds of meters higher than in reality. I made a whole backstory about its peopling, its culture, and its role in world history, similar to Cody's speculations at the end of the video. I also drew maps for it and imagined different tropical landscapes and biomes across the large island. I unfortunately lost the poster and description I made some time during high school, but I still remember it fondly as one of my best and most imaginative school assignments.
That sounds awesome. Did your imaginings resemble Cody's (I mean, with all his speculation about the Portuguese and the Dutch)? And what did your teacher think of it?
You joke about a place on the east coast of Canada called "Auckland" and confusing people, but every once and a while, a news story pops up about a tourist winding up in Sydney, Nova Scotia, when they meant to book their flight to Sydney, Australia. Naming any extra islands in the general vicinity of Cape Breton after anything found in the Southern Hemisphere would just be on brand.
I've heard of people getting off the plane in Sydney asking about the boy's choir and the customs telling them they really meant to go to Austria. People from New Mexico ( a state since 1912) are frequently asked for their passports when they travel to other parts of the USA.
One thing about the "Dogger Island" and other glacial moraine formed islands is that they are basically just gravel piles. This means that they would have no mineral wealth (coal, iron, copper, ect), or atleast only in the form of nuggets. This would definitely lock the inhabitants behind in terms if technology until they started trading with a mainland culture with access to substantial ore veins.
@@chrishb7074 i think 2 main factors would affect how treeless they were, the first is ocean temps/humidity and the second is rate of colonization by plants. For the ocean climate impact i think we can estimate using Norway for Digger Island and Nova Scotia for the Grand banks island groups to say both had the potential to support forrests. And we can use Long Island as proof that a terminal moraine can support forrests. The second factor is alot harder to estimate, but dogger island would have had opportunities for trees to arive before digger land sank. The Grand banks islands less so, especially grand bank itself, so those would most likely require trees to cross the ocean. A final factor is people, most if eurooe was heavily forrested, but by the middle ages land clearing was a big deal so now much of England, France, Germany, and Denmark are farmland/plains because of deforestation. So Dogger Island could have been deforested by humans later on. Again, long island NY is a fairly good analogy for what the land itself could provide the people, but Long Island is much closer to the mainland and its resources than Dogger Island would be to actual continental bedrock above sealevel. (I suppose they could mine under the island to reach the continental shelf and mine under the ocean itself, we do similar things today but this wouldn't he until atleast the middle ages or industrial revolution)
Depends on the glaciers dug up and left in those gravel piles. In the Midwest USA, gold and diamonds have been discovered in morraines or their outwash streams. I've even found gold flakes in Northern Illinois.
Doggerland is so fascinating because it is really a lost world. I live in The Netherlands and I was walking on the beach not long ago and I found a piece of mammoth bone. I still have it and it is makes it special if you found it yourself, but it's not even that exceptional because the waves just drop these treasures every day. Even pieces of human skulls are found
@@BrazilianImperialist No need there are plenty of findings and mine is just a bone fragment, not very useful for science. I had it identified and now it has a good place in my little private collection 😊
@@BrazilianImperialist Shrimp boats catch them all the time in that area. Even the one time I was on such a boat with school! Archeologists have them aplenty plus general sea and life have taken their toll on the bones.
I would say Doggerland (island version) would have had a very similar history to the Orkneys and the Shetlands-a cross between the Scandinavian and British worlds.
It would be a third language of the anglo-frisian languages, developing independently from english. Where english got mainly french and little danish, this would get mostly danish influence.
I'd say it would get colonized by rome, and the germanic invasions would have failed here, and so would the vikings, making Dogger island much more powerful thsn the British isles
It’s really fun to hear your conversation with Cody, partly because we get to hear your "real" speaking voice. I mean, I love that you narrate your videos in a way that is extremely easy to understand and precisely enunciated, but I know that’s not how you speak in your day-to-day conversations…especially not to your adorable kitty!
Have you done a video on micro climates yet? Mt. Kilimanjaro has some really cool ones but a video on really small micro climates like near waterfalls or particular hillsides would be very interesting too
Just to clarify a few history points: -The Celts were/are Indo-European themselves. They were simply historically the first Indo-European tribes to settle (overtaking true pre-Indo-European tribes) most of Western Europe before the expansions of mainly the Germanic, Italic, and Slavic tribes. -The British Isles were first settled by the Celts (again, overtaking pre-Indo-European peoples), followed briefly by the Romans, but they didn't really stay too too long, then came the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, then the Vikings, and then finally the Normans.
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It's interesting that this discussion is even being taken. I'm trying to rack my brain about where on YT I watched something where they discussed finding things from what would be "Doggerland" and how basically it mentioned that it was a well cultured place from a conglomerate of peoples and animals. Love the content, so happy that your channel popped up!
This reminds me of the historic landscape analysis that we had to do in collage. Looking at the groundlayers sinds the last ice age. My region (10 km2 squere Gouda to Alphen aan Den Rijn NL) lost a lot of significance due shifting flow patterns of rivers. This might be a fun thing to look futher into? Love the chanel!
You mention shifting flow... That made me think of Dunwich, England. At its height, it was a medieval port town that rivaled London. But storm surges and shifting coastal geography made the River Dunwich divert to the mouth of the neighboring River Blythe a couple miles away. And changed coastal currents started eroding away at Dunwich itself. By 1800, Dunwich was only a small village, and today pretty much all of the medieval town has eroded away into the sea. But because it had been a major town, it still elected 2 MPs (like many more populous towns) until 1832, when the UK massively redistricted to get rid of these low-population "rotten boroughs".
This might be my favourite video of yours. You've brought together tons of your past content in a way that makes a pretty entertaining video for anyone, and a blast of fun for long time fans. Kudos my man keep up the great work!!
If Dogger Bank had been a higher, longer-lived island, I could actually see it being another refuge of the Neolithic Farmers that occupied most of Europe before the Corded Ware folks came out of the east (the Corded Ware folks came in and appear to have dominated and intermixed with the Farmers, or even mostly replaced them like in the UK). Sardinia was like that as well - genetically, native Sardinians are mostly Neolithic farmer in ancestry, whereas most of Europe is a high mix of those and Corded Ware people.
I don't know what kinda video editing crack you've been doing lately but the last 5 or 6 uploads of yours have absolutely blown my mind. I'm always trying to show people the one about extinct birds. Love all the videos, keep it up dude!
32:00 I would like to point out a correction to this, you say 6k-8k years ago for the earliest settlements on the SA Pacific coast, but there is at least Monteverde in Southern Chile dating to around 15k. That gives more time for the possible westward expansion, but there is the problem of a subducting trench in between making the "Nazca island chain" farther away from the coastline, and the coastline itself being a desert.
Every single one of your videos is a masterpiece that outshines my pending PhD thesis, and you put them out every month or so. The fact that you aren't a professor already is a shame but also a blessing for the rest of us, because you're teaching the world about biogeography and now even presenting original ideas and research.
You are not worthy of a Ph.D. if you believe that man-made global climate change is real. To believe a bunch of Islamo-Nazi Crony-Socialists' cherry-picked and skewed data for a political agenda of destroying Western culture is complete idiocy. Welcome to Quackademia!
Regarding the Grand Banks area, it's no longer a great fishing place because from the 1950s to when Canada started regulating it in the early 1990s, fishing ships with increasingly absurd technology pretty much flattened the cod population, to the point of annihilating a number of fishing villages that had been operating in Newfoundland for more than a century. It's a bit of a sore topic for the descendants of those folks. As for possible settlers of an island there, I'm surprised you didn't consider the indigenous people of Newfoundland. The Mi’kmaq, at least, did survive partially based on cod fishing, and while they may not have initially had any interest in going out that far, at some point over the 8000 or so years they were there, someone could have gotten swept out in that direction, found shelter on the island, and managed to make it back. And then "oh hey, there's this island out there that's kinda a great place to live, and it's a lot warmer than here" would make it just as attractive to the Mi’kmaq as it did to the Vikings. (Perhaps more so, given Vikings tended to like raiding and/or trading with other iron-age civilizations.) And while we have found archaeological evidence that confirms at least the very rough details of the Vinland Saga, it's very notable that they approached Newfoundland from the Northwest. That suggests they took a similar navigational path to many trans-atlantic flights do - bouncing from coastline to coastline rather than going out into the middle of nowhere. I'd suggest that Grand Banks Island might have been a possible next step of exploration from the Viking settlement on Newfoundland, but that settlement failed. (which according to the Vinland Saga is because the peoples they met there managed to drive them away...which is impressive considering they would be one of the very few cultures the Vikings met where they'd have had a distinct technological advantage - European subtleties of iron smelting might have offered one group or the other a slight edge, but iron weapons are distinctly superior to stone, wood and bone, which is what the indigenous population (possibly the Beothuk, according to Kathrine Gilks in the replies) would have had access to. Kinda suggests that they were pretty badass.) Thus there were no expansions into other more comfortable parts that they could have reached (we can tell by the lack of anything that suggests they made it to Nova Scotia or down into the States), so reaching Grand Banks Island from that approach seems unlikely. Conversely, the Basque would almost certainly have set up fishing villages if there was a land to put them on. Deep ocean fishing is dangerous work, which is why most fishing villages are found in places where fish are in relatively local waters. Having a village where you could pack up the catch of the day from all the little fishing vessels and send them over in a larger ship would probably make the whole exercise much safer. And if you're right about not considering the First Nations as a possible early source of settlement, it would be literally free real estate. (And if they were both there, it's very possible the Basque might have established a more successful relationship...from what I've read, the Sagas' account of the Vinland expedition indicates that it was the Vikings who kicked things off by killing someone they thought had been stealing from them. This...didn't go over very well and the idea of weregild doesn't really translate to other cultures all that well. Especially not if they don't have the obsession with money that European cultures tended to have.)
Even if they sailed on a straight path from Scandinavia, the vikings would have approached from the northwest, since due east of Newfoundland is France.
Iron weapons are not a so great advantage as you might think. The vikings would have essentially had the same weapons as the natives, just of a more durable material. That's nowhere near the difference like from stone age weapons to rifles and machine guns like the British had at the height of their colonial efforts when they defended with a handful of people against thousands of natives on occasion. And likewise the vikings would have had a SEVERE disadvantage in numbers as there were never more than a few dozens who tried to settle in Canada. If you have 50 iron swords you will most likely lose against 200 wooden spears anyway, because in melee combat numbers count much more than in ranged combat.
9:45 just to clarify, the bretons and the Welsh are celtic, so they're Indo-European. Not sure if he was inferring that they aren't, just clarifying that.
If dogger island existed into the viking error, there is no way it would have remained isolated untill the vikings arrived! it is far to easily reached from England, and so we could expect it to have a very similar setlement history as Enlglad. So by the time the Vikings would arrrive they would find a Romano-celtic, angle saxon fusion culture just as they found in England.
I don't know enough to even make an educated guess about their numbers or the kind of society that would have lived there , but what if the 'Doggerlanders' played a more dominant role and they were the ones who settled in the British Isles and parts of the Scandinavian coasts? Couldn't they have formed some kind of North Sea Empire? Then European history might look totally different than it does today.
@@AV-we6wo well, I was talking specifically about dogger island, which is much smaller than the whole of doggerland. If the whole area remained above water than a lot of very interesting and less predictable things could have happened.
Yeah I felt the same when they were only talking about Viking invasions and completely forgot about the Anglosaxons. I don't think there would have been a lot of Roman influence but certainly some interaction. Then later they definitely would have been invaded by Anglosaxons and depending on their strength, might have been taken over much like they did in England. I think this too would have lessened the invasions of Britian so we might have had a more Celtic Britain. All this hundreds of years before Vikings would be on the scene.
Re: the farther out island also g the Grand Bank - we do already have evidence of minor colonization via fishing colonies by the French and Basque on the outer edges of the Canadian Atlantic islands, it wouldn't be a massive stretch of the imagination for such villages to pop up on the island as a way to process and pack the fish caught in the region, much like the more inland islands were used
There is also evidence of a algonquian-basque pidgin. The most famous phrase of this pdigin is the answer to "nola zaude?! (how are you?) to which the algonquians would answer "apaizak hobeto" (the priests are better).
BTW, who are referring to when you say "the french"? I ask because, technically, some of those basque fishermen could count as "french". Fishing and specially whaling was very common in Labourd.
Packing fish depended on salt. Note the collapse of Scandinavian fishery when salt imports stopped. We should find the source of salt enabling this hypothetical pre-columbian fishery.
@tony is phony Yes I am aware of that. But still it was - at least for me - a bit of tiresome to listen to. There was another video by AtlasPro - I think it was about why the planet Kepler would have red plants - where he also had integrated an interview segment. And this was perfectly fine because it had a better flow and was easier on the ears. But anyways I do appreciate the content and the videos. So keep up with the great work y'all.
Have you considered looking at, examining, and quantifying alternate Earths with different geography, like the Great Lakes Earth Project or the world of Draconology? (they are really quite interesting)
Rapa Nui remarks are so interesting, especially considering the fact that according to local legends, there were two tribes of people on the island - hanau epe and hanau momoko that at one point came into conflict that ended with the extermination of the former. So maybe people of the American origin were living there first and the Polynesians came later.
I usually don't listen to podcasts or really anything but music when I i work but I have been binging your channel for several hours while working on m map for my game. Thank you. 😊
we theorizing a germano-basque numenor ? The mascarene archipelago part blowing the caribbean out of the water! Amazing! Would love to see more collaborations between AHH & AP.
I really liked you went into the colonies of the former chains of Pacific Islands once above sea level. Using Universe Sandbox, lowering sea levels, I too noticed just how many of those islands would have been above sea level during the last ice age and beyond. Some argue the current islands are far too distant to randomly come across if the Pacific Islanders were to try that today or in recent history. But as you point out and is obvious to anyone seeing how many were above sea level in the past, it is very possible to colonize them in the distant past. Unfortunately, as you also point out, eventually, they would get smaller, further apart, or disappear under the ocean altogether. Just like sunken lands in the Atlantic, so too I suspect achient artifacts to be on those sunken islands, yet to be discovered. Those will likely continue to push the earliest colonization dates back thousands of years, if not 10s of thousands. Maybe even multiple times in the last 300,000 years of modern humans, adapting to climate change, ice ages, and sea level changes. Not to mention any related Earthquakes mega tsunamis, flooding, etc.
I figure this video was more about more ancient islands but i wanted to mention what i think is another very interesting lost landmass. Heracleion known by its egyptian name Thonis. It was a port city near Alexandria and it served as one of the main ports of the roman empire, it survived all the way to early muslim period of egypt (roughly 8th century). It would eventually be submerged totally because the soil liquified but i think its interesting because it survived far into recorded history and its importance was mostly forgotten.
i came here from alternate history hub and im already in love with your channel :)! seeing bits of the convo with him was really interesting too. your presentation and style of speaking makes me feel like a student sitting in on a lecture, not a kid watching a youtube video like i actually am
Oooor, if Scandinavians would have all this land to work, raise animals and crops, essentially, be able to feed the population, they would not have such imminent need to go viking, so, it could be possibly entirely different culture!
In Rapa Nui, apart from the Mohais, there is a construction mural similar to the Incas in Cuzco, as well as stories from Spanish chroniclers about pre-Hispanic travels and existing legends in Mangareva.
Your channel is one of my absolute favorites on RUclips, thank you for the job you do. You have completely changed how I see the world when I look at a map. And I love maps ❤
Great job on all of your videos, I always look forward to them. I love learning about lost islands and lands. Keep up the great work, you're so close to 1 million subscribers 😁
I noticed another big island off the Atlantic coast where the Isles de Madalyn survive today in the Gulf of St Laurence. But it would have been similar to the others.
This has been one of your best works. What mind blowing research! There are also a couple of sunken Islands/cities in Indian folklore, Dwarka being the biggest example. I was kinda hoping you'd cover that too, since that was a bustling city going underwater only a few thousand years ago.. :)
The "You Know" drinking game would be absolutely, punishingly, brain destroyingly devastating in those unscripted chat parts. my favourite: "pre, you know, pre-germanic" and "you know, launch, you know"
I find your videos really informative and interesting and really enjoyed watching it. I would suggest to cut the super cute clips with the cat to the end of the video, because i found it a bit distracting from focussing and unterstanding the topic, but i love those clips too. You did a great job on this video! I am looking forward to more informative and interesting content from you.
It was pretty funny how you mentioned so many other videos you've made in this video. I think that also shows just how interconnected our world is and how much geography plays a part in all other parts of our history.
9:43 the bretons and the welsh are indo-european though. celtic languages and cultures were much more widespread across europe before the spread of germanic and italic and things like that, but celtic is indo-european just like they are. in fact, celtic and italic are very closely related, possibly making up their own branch of indo-european
I recently found your channel and I must say that I really love your videos (especially the Island biogeography miniseries) and the effort that you put into them. Keep it up bro
Just listening to the section where you're discussing the Vikings rampaging Dogger Island... Neither of you considered the possibility of the Dogger people being another version of the Vikings?
Hey! Love your stuff. What app do you use for those blue and white pictures of the Earth that look real, but have Doggerland or other submerged areas superimposed?
I actually discovered sable island while I was just looking at google earth I thought, huh what a weird island in the middle of the sea I wonder what it’s story is, but I I never knew until today, so thanks for that :P
RUclips's bleep blorp bloop bloops brought me here at 0740 after an all night dealing with trauma caused neuropathy...spasms, extreme pain, etc. This video has oddly soothed me and I'm looking forward to checking out more of your videos. Regards from Missouri friend!
Why be an island when you can be a peninsula instead? *This post was sponsored by the Korea gang* why be isolated geographically, when you can be isolated politically?
I really liked this format, talking with someone else knowledgeable on the subject and each of you blowing each other's minds back and forth. was really enjoyable. to watch/listen to
Bizarre mentioning from AlternateHistoryHub regarding the Vikings as though they would be the only invaders of Doggerbank. If it was only a few meters higher, it would have been fairly similar to Britain: Celtic, then Roman, then Germanic before the Vikings ever appear. They wouldn't be time capsule islands.
For an interesting one gained and lost in more recent times is Ferdinandea/Graham Island (depending on who you ask) in the Mediterranean, near Sicily. It's popped up above the surface and been washed away 4 times since 300BC, and the most recent of these, in the 1800s, sparked a 4 way dispute over rule of the island between the Kingdom of Sicily, the United Kingdom, France, and another country that I can't find listed in my quick skimming of Wikipedia. This dispute lasted from shortly after its emergence in August until it once again fell beneath the waves in December, and was only resolved by the island's collapse making the dispute a moot point.
I keep forgetting just how recent other lands have been in existence. There's so little people learn about or know about our own world and it's criminal we don't teach it. I thank the internet for allowing me to know these things.
There is a reason why there are so much stories of sunken lands and great flood events around the globe and in different, completely unrelated religions.
Yes! The general consensus is Polynesians went to South America and then came back with kūmara. But how about meeting in the middle! I've heard (although I can't remember where :/ ) that the Māori name kūmara is similar to a native American name for it.
This guy is something else. This is the first time I see himself talking in the video, what I’m impressed is that it looks like he’s just talking, not reading an script.
Islands like the ones in the North Sea and near Canada are prone to disappear very quickly because they are not made up of bedrock but just sediments. A single huge weather event like a storm surge can destroy thousands of square kilometers in a single day in such low lying lands. There are multiple occasions in recorded history of the middle ages where on single days dozens of villages and huge swaths of land got swept away during a storm. Some of them even changing the coastline in such drastic ways, creating new bays and islands which still exist in modern times. One example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Marcellus%27s_flood
I usually don't comment stuff like this but your videos are the most fun, informative and easy to understand among all educational youtubers on the platform
Actually, Atlantis is a legend with an origin. It started from a story told in one of Plato’s dialogues, and was basically entirely allegorical, calling back to the destruction of Thera (modern Santorini) which was destroyed by a volcanic eruption.
That's why there are so many storys of sunken lands around the world in nearly every culture that lives near an ocean, completely unrelated to Atlantis. Because these kinds of events happened often in human history and remained deep within cultural memory although they happened long before history got recorded. The same with the flood in the bible. In nearly every religion there is a flood event long long time ago. Even in the ones predating Christianity by millenia and separated geographically by thousands of kilometers..
I imagine Ceaser would have been on that island long before norsemen. It could have been little england essentially and a weird buffer island between france and england. Edit: More than likely I imagine do to it's location Dogger island would be similiar to Brittany on a political level and perhaps culutural as well.
One really interesting thing about what if more of the Seychelles was exposed is that those islands would even have been home to their own unique genus of crocodile, because we have a fossil taxon named Alabrachampsus from the nearby aldabra atoll!
This video came up in my recommended and I'm so glad it did, subscribed! Can't wait to see what else you have in store, next I'll be listening to you and Cody nerd out for an hour.
I had my breath held for you to mention the seamounts off-shore of British Columbia and Alaska like Bowie Seamount-- my favorite lost islands! Several of them would have had their peaks exposed during the LGM and are suspected to have served as ice-free stepping-stones for the migration of humans into North America. Bowie's peak is ~25m below sea level in the present day!
Great video. I had no idea these islands were still present up until so recently. The Eastern Pacific stuff, in particular, is very thought provoking. One of the biggest mysteries of Eastern Polynesian prehistory is how the South American sweet potato made it into the area. It just "appeared" in the central Pacific area around 1200AD, and this particular genus of sweet potato, or Kumar, definitely came from S. America. No one is sure how. I studied Pacific prehistory at Auckland University and non of the prof's had any real idea other than Eastern Polynesians made it to S.America, at some point pre 1200AD and then took it back. Why go back if you've made it to the continent? Also, if they did, then wouldn't there be at least some Austronesian genetic markers in the west coastal S. American gene pool? These things tend to happen when different people's meet for the first time. Also, wouldn't there be accounts of this contact somewhere in the oral histories of Eastern Polynesia AND/OR Ecuador/Peru (where this particular genus of kumara comes from)? It sorta makes more sense for South Americans fleeing the continent (between 3000 and 1000 years ago), to make the shorter trip to Rapa nui, and then do some limited island hopping toward the Gambier and Tuomotu archipelago? They would be planting and tending sweet potato etc.. as a food source.wherever they land. They then probably slowly died out over the next few thousand years (perhaps as the islands sunk), then around 1200AD the first Eastern Polynesians made it as far East as Rapa nui and discovered the wild sweet potato, they'd left behind, on some of the remaining islands and took it back etc.. This hypothesis vould explain the lack of evidence of a South American presence in the Eastern Pacific - it's all on the sea bed! One problem I have is why didn't coral reefs form around the sinking islands? Is the water too cold? The whole thing is a really interesting line of thought though. Thanks for the vid. One problem
The channel Stefan Milo recently did a video essay covering the topic of Polynesian and Native American pre-colonial contact which explores possible answers to some of these questions! ruclips.net/video/ycRcWK7pMoM/видео.html
While contemplating the Mascarine and Seychelles, remember the Seychelles are also home to giant tortoises who would have spread throughout the archipelago. In fact, there were giant tortoises on Mauritius and Reunion in the 18th century. The Reunion species lasted until 1840.
I'm thinking that if the Dogger Island still existed and a sizeable population ended up trapped there, the would have had generations to watch their lands shrinking. That would give them a very strong incentive to develop a naval culture of their own very early on, as they lost more and more of their farming and hunting grounds and started to harvest the sea instead. By the time the middle ages come around, they might have actually reached a population level where their island wasn't enough to sustain their population and they'd start raiding instead.
Another great video. Any chance that you'll do a video about the natural and artificial waterways of New York? The Hudson, Mohawk, and Champlain valleys are what made New York the Empire State.
Kinda surprised you didn't bring up any of the old seamounts from the Hawaiian hotspot that were once islands. On the same note, looking at the Aleutians with lower sea levels might have some interesting results.
Earth should really stop losing all those islands. Pretty irresponsible of it.
Great video by the way! Glad to have contributed.
When ever I lose anything it's usually down the back of the sofa, has anyone thought of looking there?
Mother Earth is a HOT MESS
wow love you alternate history hub!
@@orwellboy1958 Or behind the clothes drier, where the portal is to the Lost Sock Dimension?
What is this a crossover episode! I love it!
2:54 - Doggerland - A sunken land mass connecting the British Isles to mainland Europe
11:10 - The Grand Banks - A few sunken land masses off the east coast of Canada
23:23 - The Channel Islands - Use to be a larger single landmass off the coast of California called Santa Rosae
27:33 - The Tuamotu Atolls - Use to be an island archipelago in the South Pacific
29:06 - Sunken Island Chains in the South Pacific off the north east coast of Papua New Guinea use to be more prominent
30:56 - Salas Y Gomez Ridge - A series of sunken island chains near Rapa Nui (Easter Island) in the South Pacific
33:56 - The Mascarene Plateau - A sunken island archipelago in the West Indian Ocean between the Seychelles and Mauritius islands off the east coast of Madagascar
No South East Asia, :sad:
Thanks for the index
There is actually another ridge in South America, the Nazca ridge. It goes from the coast of Nazca, in Peru, all the way to the Salas y Gomez ridge, near the Desventuradas islands. It's basically two different ridges that are connected.
Thank you.
Weird how Cody has the azores in his avatar but doesn't discuss them at all.
England having a land border with France? I can't imagine a worse timeline.
Yeah because England without an easy way out of fighting France directly instead of pillaging India to pay mercenaries to do the warring they would be instantly conquered and you would actually get a somewhat French Empire similar to China in both population and a stronger "center of the world" mindset covering Europe by the time of Louis the XIV
@@fizzylovesjam5378 Well unlike uk constantly losing to France and having to do propaganda about it thinking they won the hundred years war or something. Continental Europe powers always were more powerful and had better living conditions than the swampy island inhabitants of the uk, so thinking you can even compare to France the most powerful country of Europe and the strongest in all matters with an hegemony of +1100 years is laughable. The teethIess brits are among the biggest losers against France so obviously we can feel the salt coming from you speaking in a language with more French words than english ones, having a population of 45% French descent and 25% German descent with barely any trace of british because you lost all wars to Frankish, French, Celtic, Gaelic and Germanic tribes and vikings😅.
@@ommsterlitz1805 holy shit chill out literally no need to insult an entire nation of people
@@corsacs3879 Uk does that all the time unjustly to it's European neighbors it's perfectly normal they receive hate in return especially of what they did in history. Them leaving the Eu is just their latest treason, and I hope they will split with Scotland and northern Ireland to stay in the EU.
@@ommsterlitz1805 loved your scathing comments :).
These videos just keep getting better! I've been hoping to see you make a video on the Aral Sea, but if there's enough content there, an "Earth's Lost Seas" video might be a nice inverse-companion to this one...
>"Earth's Lost Seas"
Lake Agassiz😏😏
Yes, seize the opportunity to cover the lost seas that no one now sees.
I love that idea
not really, so much misinformation
Am i the only one who wants a full map of the earth but with these islands and the lands from the lost continents video?
I think that would be so cool looking.
EU4 mod developers, you know what to do.
@@syrialak101 Also Civ mod developers, I'm lookin' at you too. :)
I agree
I’m looking at you, AoC2 map developers…. I’m looking at you…
I agree! It would awesome to see hiw much more space there actually would be on the globe. Maybe we have the defrosted Antarctica on there as well.
Regarding the Scotian Shelf: The Mi’kmaq, the local indigenous people, have likely been here at least 10,000-13,000 years, but there are some gaps in the archaeological record. It has been theorized that their ancestors actually settled parts of the Scotian Shelf that were exposed during the last glacial maximum, resulting in these sites now being covered by ocean. Considering they were historically a semi-nomadic people with strong fishing and boating traditions, it would make sense that they would settle the coast and gradually retreat inland as the waters rose.
No
@@BrazilianImperialist no? You don't suppose Native Americans would have appeared in... North America?
I was pretty disappointed that this wasn't remotely touched on in the video.
@@alienguyjp No, and stop liking your comment, it's cringe
@@alienguyjp Because it is wrong
42 minutes? Holy Gods of Atlas, we have been blessed.
We
I love the content but I almost feel like it’s too much for one video. It’s a lot to digest at once for some and I can see how some people might be offput by how long the video is so they decide not to watch
@@thebeeemill Pause and un-pause the video every 9 minutes to simulate an average youtube video.
Eh, 42:55. Let's be nice and round it up to 43
I never realized how much I was interested in geology, until I started watching atlas pro. The content I never knew I needed lol I also prefer the longer videos. Packs in more information 😆
It's awesome that you touched on the Mascarene Plateau. In geography class in high school in the late '90s, our teacher asked us to write a profile of a fictional country located somewhere on Earth. I created a country out of the whole Mascarene Plateau, imagining that it was hundreds of meters higher than in reality. I made a whole backstory about its peopling, its culture, and its role in world history, similar to Cody's speculations at the end of the video. I also drew maps for it and imagined different tropical landscapes and biomes across the large island. I unfortunately lost the poster and description I made some time during high school, but I still remember it fondly as one of my best and most imaginative school assignments.
That sounds awesome. Did your imaginings resemble Cody's (I mean, with all his speculation about the Portuguese and the Dutch)? And what did your teacher think of it?
i hope you got a good grade on it, that sounds awesome!
You joke about a place on the east coast of Canada called "Auckland" and confusing people, but every once and a while, a news story pops up about a tourist winding up in Sydney, Nova Scotia, when they meant to book their flight to Sydney, Australia. Naming any extra islands in the general vicinity of Cape Breton after anything found in the Southern Hemisphere would just be on brand.
I've heard of people getting off the plane in Sydney asking about the boy's choir and the customs telling them they really meant to go to Austria. People from New Mexico ( a state since 1912) are frequently asked for their passports when they travel to other parts of the USA.
Ah yes, Lesotho, Nova Scotia. Right next to Somalia Island, Nova Scotia.
Beautiful place this time of year
@@francisebbecke2727 Just lying to lie? Nobody from NM has their passports checked. But you do you.
One thing about the "Dogger Island" and other glacial moraine formed islands is that they are basically just gravel piles. This means that they would have no mineral wealth (coal, iron, copper, ect), or atleast only in the form of nuggets. This would definitely lock the inhabitants behind in terms if technology until they started trading with a mainland culture with access to substantial ore veins.
Good point.
Probably windswept and fairly treeless too.
@@chrishb7074 i think 2 main factors would affect how treeless they were, the first is ocean temps/humidity and the second is rate of colonization by plants.
For the ocean climate impact i think we can estimate using Norway for Digger Island and Nova Scotia for the Grand banks island groups to say both had the potential to support forrests. And we can use Long Island as proof that a terminal moraine can support forrests.
The second factor is alot harder to estimate, but dogger island would have had opportunities for trees to arive before digger land sank. The Grand banks islands less so, especially grand bank itself, so those would most likely require trees to cross the ocean.
A final factor is people, most if eurooe was heavily forrested, but by the middle ages land clearing was a big deal so now much of England, France, Germany, and Denmark are farmland/plains because of deforestation. So Dogger Island could have been deforested by humans later on.
Again, long island NY is a fairly good analogy for what the land itself could provide the people, but Long Island is much closer to the mainland and its resources than Dogger Island would be to actual continental bedrock above sealevel. (I suppose they could mine under the island to reach the continental shelf and mine under the ocean itself, we do similar things today but this wouldn't he until atleast the middle ages or industrial revolution)
Depends on the glaciers dug up and left in those gravel piles. In the Midwest USA, gold and diamonds have been discovered in morraines or their outwash streams. I've even found gold flakes in Northern Illinois.
@@jakeaurod oh yeah there’s tons of minerals that were deposited from the glaciers in Wisconsin too!
@@Crailtep And Minnesota is our largest producer of iron ore.
I can't believe you don't have 1M subscribers yet?! Your content is such a high quality. Super engrossing.
Getting there though!
Unfortunately our beloved long episodes aren't beloved by the algorithm
He doesn't care, because his work is bound to hit the 2-5million subscribers mark. Not everyone gets on RUclips to learn
yeah
Incorporate Mya into his content and he'll easily clear 10 million
Doggerland is so fascinating because it is really a lost world. I live in The Netherlands and I was walking on the beach not long ago and I found a piece of mammoth bone. I still have it and it is makes it special if you found it yourself, but it's not even that exceptional because the waves just drop these treasures every day. Even pieces of human skulls are found
Give them for a archeologist to study
@@BrazilianImperialist No need there are plenty of findings and mine is just a bone fragment, not very useful for science. I had it identified and now it has a good place in my little private collection 😊
@@bart6753 Ok then
@@BrazilianImperialist Shrimp boats catch them all the time in that area. Even the one time I was on such a boat with school!
Archeologists have them aplenty plus general sea and life have taken their toll on the bones.
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 Ok
I would say Doggerland (island version) would have had a very similar history to the Orkneys and the Shetlands-a cross between the Scandinavian and British worlds.
There is also a connection to France, the Benelux and Germany. It would have had a lot of influence from those as well.
It would be a third language of the anglo-frisian languages, developing independently from english. Where english got mainly french and little danish, this would get mostly danish influence.
Since it used to be a moraine, I imagine a huge bogland. That makes me think of Germanic culture with their pole gods, like the Braak Bog Figures.
I'd say it would get colonized by rome, and the germanic invasions would have failed here, and so would the vikings, making Dogger island much more powerful thsn the British isles
@@hungvu262 It would speak a romance language
It’s really fun to hear your conversation with Cody, partly because we get to hear your "real" speaking voice. I mean, I love that you narrate your videos in a way that is extremely easy to understand and precisely enunciated, but I know that’s not how you speak in your day-to-day conversations…especially not to your adorable kitty!
Have you done a video on micro climates yet? Mt. Kilimanjaro has some really cool ones but a video on really small micro climates like near waterfalls or particular hillsides would be very interesting too
Just to clarify a few history points:
-The Celts were/are Indo-European themselves. They were simply historically the first Indo-European tribes to settle (overtaking true pre-Indo-European tribes) most of Western Europe before the expansions of mainly the Germanic, Italic, and Slavic tribes.
-The British Isles were first settled by the Celts (again, overtaking pre-Indo-European peoples), followed briefly by the Romans, but they didn't really stay too too long, then came the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, then the Vikings, and then finally the Normans.
Celts are likely to be the 'lost' 10 Tribes of Israel.
Atlas Pro: The Earth is active, nothing stays the same
Mia: You know who else doesn't stay the same... *PET ME, BABY*
A wise cat beyond her years, the finest geographer of all
Ah, justin y's hispanic doppleganger.
It's interesting that this discussion is even being taken. I'm trying to rack my brain about where on YT I watched something where they discussed finding things from what would be "Doggerland" and how basically it mentioned that it was a well cultured place from a conglomerate of peoples and animals. Love the content, so happy that your channel popped up!
This reminds me of the historic landscape analysis that we had to do in collage. Looking at the groundlayers sinds the last ice age. My region (10 km2 squere Gouda to Alphen aan Den Rijn NL) lost a lot of significance due shifting flow patterns of rivers. This might be a fun thing to look futher into? Love the chanel!
You mention shifting flow... That made me think of Dunwich, England. At its height, it was a medieval port town that rivaled London. But storm surges and shifting coastal geography made the River Dunwich divert to the mouth of the neighboring River Blythe a couple miles away. And changed coastal currents started eroding away at Dunwich itself.
By 1800, Dunwich was only a small village, and today pretty much all of the medieval town has eroded away into the sea. But because it had been a major town, it still elected 2 MPs (like many more populous towns) until 1832, when the UK massively redistricted to get rid of these low-population "rotten boroughs".
This might be my favourite video of yours. You've brought together tons of your past content in a way that makes a pretty entertaining video for anyone, and a blast of fun for long time fans. Kudos my man keep up the great work!!
If Dogger Bank had been a higher, longer-lived island, I could actually see it being another refuge of the Neolithic Farmers that occupied most of Europe before the Corded Ware folks came out of the east (the Corded Ware folks came in and appear to have dominated and intermixed with the Farmers, or even mostly replaced them like in the UK). Sardinia was like that as well - genetically, native Sardinians are mostly Neolithic farmer in ancestry, whereas most of Europe is a high mix of those and Corded Ware people.
I don't know what kinda video editing crack you've been doing lately but the last 5 or 6 uploads of yours have absolutely blown my mind. I'm always trying to show people the one about extinct birds. Love all the videos, keep it up dude!
32:00 I would like to point out a correction to this, you say 6k-8k years ago for the earliest settlements on the SA Pacific coast, but there is at least Monteverde in Southern Chile dating to around 15k.
That gives more time for the possible westward expansion, but there is the problem of a subducting trench in between making the "Nazca island chain" farther away from the coastline, and the coastline itself being a desert.
Every single one of your videos is a masterpiece that outshines my pending PhD thesis, and you put them out every month or so. The fact that you aren't a professor already is a shame but also a blessing for the rest of us, because you're teaching the world about biogeography and now even presenting original ideas and research.
What did you write about?
what original ideas?
Yikes.
What's your thesis about?
You are not worthy of a Ph.D. if you believe that man-made global climate change is real.
To believe a bunch of Islamo-Nazi Crony-Socialists' cherry-picked and skewed data for a political agenda of destroying Western culture is complete idiocy.
Welcome to Quackademia!
Regarding the Grand Banks area, it's no longer a great fishing place because from the 1950s to when Canada started regulating it in the early 1990s, fishing ships with increasingly absurd technology pretty much flattened the cod population, to the point of annihilating a number of fishing villages that had been operating in Newfoundland for more than a century. It's a bit of a sore topic for the descendants of those folks.
As for possible settlers of an island there, I'm surprised you didn't consider the indigenous people of Newfoundland. The Mi’kmaq, at least, did survive partially based on cod fishing, and while they may not have initially had any interest in going out that far, at some point over the 8000 or so years they were there, someone could have gotten swept out in that direction, found shelter on the island, and managed to make it back. And then "oh hey, there's this island out there that's kinda a great place to live, and it's a lot warmer than here" would make it just as attractive to the Mi’kmaq as it did to the Vikings. (Perhaps more so, given Vikings tended to like raiding and/or trading with other iron-age civilizations.)
And while we have found archaeological evidence that confirms at least the very rough details of the Vinland Saga, it's very notable that they approached Newfoundland from the Northwest. That suggests they took a similar navigational path to many trans-atlantic flights do - bouncing from coastline to coastline rather than going out into the middle of nowhere. I'd suggest that Grand Banks Island might have been a possible next step of exploration from the Viking settlement on Newfoundland, but that settlement failed. (which according to the Vinland Saga is because the peoples they met there managed to drive them away...which is impressive considering they would be one of the very few cultures the Vikings met where they'd have had a distinct technological advantage - European subtleties of iron smelting might have offered one group or the other a slight edge, but iron weapons are distinctly superior to stone, wood and bone, which is what the indigenous population (possibly the Beothuk, according to Kathrine Gilks in the replies) would have had access to. Kinda suggests that they were pretty badass.) Thus there were no expansions into other more comfortable parts that they could have reached (we can tell by the lack of anything that suggests they made it to Nova Scotia or down into the States), so reaching Grand Banks Island from that approach seems unlikely.
Conversely, the Basque would almost certainly have set up fishing villages if there was a land to put them on. Deep ocean fishing is dangerous work, which is why most fishing villages are found in places where fish are in relatively local waters. Having a village where you could pack up the catch of the day from all the little fishing vessels and send them over in a larger ship would probably make the whole exercise much safer. And if you're right about not considering the First Nations as a possible early source of settlement, it would be literally free real estate. (And if they were both there, it's very possible the Basque might have established a more successful relationship...from what I've read, the Sagas' account of the Vinland expedition indicates that it was the Vikings who kicked things off by killing someone they thought had been stealing from them. This...didn't go over very well and the idea of weregild doesn't really translate to other cultures all that well. Especially not if they don't have the obsession with money that European cultures tended to have.)
Even if they sailed on a straight path from Scandinavia, the vikings would have approached from the northwest, since due east of Newfoundland is France.
Iron weapons are not a so great advantage as you might think. The vikings would have essentially had the same weapons as the natives, just of a more durable material. That's nowhere near the difference like from stone age weapons to rifles and machine guns like the British had at the height of their colonial efforts when they defended with a handful of people against thousands of natives on occasion. And likewise the vikings would have had a SEVERE disadvantage in numbers as there were never more than a few dozens who tried to settle in Canada. If you have 50 iron swords you will most likely lose against 200 wooden spears anyway, because in melee combat numbers count much more than in ranged combat.
@@Tokru86 Fair point, really. Never really considered that. Seemsrather an obvious flaw in my assessment, in hindsight
The Mi'kmaq never reached those islands, so europeans were really the first
@@Tokru86 No, iron weaponry is indeed better, the natives had numbers
9:45 just to clarify, the bretons and the Welsh are celtic, so they're Indo-European. Not sure if he was inferring that they aren't, just clarifying that.
If dogger island existed into the viking error, there is no way it would have remained isolated untill the vikings arrived! it is far to easily reached from England, and so we could expect it to have a very similar setlement history as Enlglad. So by the time the Vikings would arrrive they would find a Romano-celtic, angle saxon fusion culture just as they found in England.
I don't know enough to even make an educated guess about their numbers or the kind of society that would have lived there , but what if the 'Doggerlanders' played a more dominant role and they were the ones who settled in the British Isles and parts of the Scandinavian coasts? Couldn't they have formed some kind of North Sea Empire? Then European history might look totally different than it does today.
Well i am sure before the Vikings there would have been a dozen other cultures that lived there
@@AV-we6wo well, I was talking specifically about dogger island, which is much smaller than the whole of doggerland. If the whole area remained above water than a lot of very interesting and less predictable things could have happened.
Yeah I felt the same when they were only talking about Viking invasions and completely forgot about the Anglosaxons. I don't think there would have been a lot of Roman influence but certainly some interaction. Then later they definitely would have been invaded by Anglosaxons and depending on their strength, might have been taken over much like they did in England. I think this too would have lessened the invasions of Britian so we might have had a more Celtic Britain. All this hundreds of years before Vikings would be on the scene.
The Viking error 😂
I love how your videos are so long I can just sit back and watch for ages
Re: the farther out island also g the Grand Bank - we do already have evidence of minor colonization via fishing colonies by the French and Basque on the outer edges of the Canadian Atlantic islands, it wouldn't be a massive stretch of the imagination for such villages to pop up on the island as a way to process and pack the fish caught in the region, much like the more inland islands were used
Were these Basque and French fishing colonies pre-Columbian? That's a very interesting topic itself.
There is also evidence of a algonquian-basque pidgin. The most famous phrase of this pdigin is the answer to "nola zaude?! (how are you?) to which the algonquians would answer "apaizak hobeto" (the priests are better).
@@xm709 Nope
BTW, who are referring to when you say "the french"? I ask because, technically, some of those basque fishermen could count as "french". Fishing and specially whaling was very common in Labourd.
Packing fish depended on salt. Note the collapse of Scandinavian fishery when salt imports stopped. We should find the source of salt enabling this hypothetical pre-columbian fishery.
The detail of Earth in these videos is incredible.
Keep up the great work!
I really love this collaboration you both complete each other’s knowledge so well and I love just hearing you talk
For sure! And the AlternateHistory guy's voice sounds like Louis C.K. lol
I actually didn't like his way of talking. To much "like", "ah", "you know"... it got a bit annoying.
@tony is phony Yes I am aware of that. But still it was - at least for me - a bit of tiresome to listen to. There was another video by AtlasPro - I think it was about why the planet Kepler would have red plants - where he also had integrated an interview segment. And this was perfectly fine because it had a better flow and was easier on the ears. But anyways I do appreciate the content and the videos. So keep up with the great work y'all.
Have you considered looking at, examining, and quantifying alternate Earths with different geography, like the Great Lakes Earth Project or the world of Draconology? (they are really quite interesting)
The biggest take away from this is that I would absolutely listen to a podcast with you and alternatehistoryhub talking about lost land masses
I second this
two of my favourite creators in one video. lovely.
Rapa Nui remarks are so interesting, especially considering the fact that according to local legends, there were two tribes of people on the island - hanau epe and hanau momoko that at one point came into conflict that ended with the extermination of the former. So maybe people of the American origin were living there first and the Polynesians came later.
I usually don't listen to podcasts or really anything but music when I i work but I have been binging your channel for several hours while working on m map for my game.
Thank you. 😊
we theorizing a germano-basque numenor ? The mascarene archipelago part blowing the caribbean out of the water! Amazing! Would love to see more collaborations between AHH & AP.
I really liked you went into the colonies of the former chains of Pacific Islands once above sea level. Using Universe Sandbox, lowering sea levels, I too noticed just how many of those islands would have been above sea level during the last ice age and beyond. Some argue the current islands are far too distant to randomly come across if the Pacific Islanders were to try that today or in recent history. But as you point out and is obvious to anyone seeing how many were above sea level in the past, it is very possible to colonize them in the distant past. Unfortunately, as you also point out, eventually, they would get smaller, further apart, or disappear under the ocean altogether. Just like sunken lands in the Atlantic, so too I suspect achient artifacts to be on those sunken islands, yet to be discovered. Those will likely continue to push the earliest colonization dates back thousands of years, if not 10s of thousands. Maybe even multiple times in the last 300,000 years of modern humans, adapting to climate change, ice ages, and sea level changes. Not to mention any related Earthquakes mega tsunamis, flooding, etc.
feel like this guy is spraying himself with catnip before filming
hyped for episode 2 of the atlas pro and Alternate history hub podcast
I figure this video was more about more ancient islands but i wanted to mention what i think is another very interesting lost landmass.
Heracleion known by its egyptian name Thonis.
It was a port city near Alexandria and it served as one of the main ports of the roman empire, it survived all the way to early muslim period of egypt (roughly 8th century).
It would eventually be submerged totally because the soil liquified but i think its interesting because it survived far into recorded history and its importance was mostly forgotten.
i came here from alternate history hub and im already in love with your channel :)! seeing bits of the convo with him was really interesting too. your presentation and style of speaking makes me feel like a student sitting in on a lecture, not a kid watching a youtube video like i actually am
If Doggerland was around in the Viking times, I really think it would’ve improved the power of the Vikings and their influence on the world.
Oooor, if Scandinavians would have all this land to work, raise animals and crops, essentially, be able to feed the population, they would not have such imminent need to go viking, so, it could be possibly entirely different culture!
In Rapa Nui, apart from the Mohais, there is a construction mural similar to the Incas in Cuzco, as well as stories from Spanish chroniclers about pre-Hispanic travels and existing legends in Mangareva.
I know how hard it is to explain things like this flawlessly. Great job
alternate universes wondering what the world would look like if doggerland never existed
I love the crossovers of the Atlas Pro Universe. :D
It is good to see, good writing and see how the dots are connected. :D
Your channel is one of my absolute favorites on RUclips, thank you for the job you do. You have completely changed how I see the world when I look at a map. And I love maps ❤
I actually raised Doggerland out of the sea on an earth map minecraft server.
Even better, I got the dirt to do it by getting rid of Denmark.
Blessed timeline
I strongly suspect that you are either Swedish or Norwegian? Classic nordic sibling rivalry :p
Great job on all of your videos, I always look forward to them. I love learning about lost islands and lands. Keep up the great work, you're so close to 1 million subscribers 😁
I noticed another big island off the Atlantic coast where the Isles de Madalyn survive today in the Gulf of St Laurence. But it would have been similar to the others.
I noticed it too, but to be honest it really didn’t have much of a story to tell, it’s history would entirely be the same
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Cody is one of my favourite youtubers, hands down. The powerhouse of a quality channel you could make between you is mad ;)
This has been one of your best works. What mind blowing research!
There are also a couple of sunken Islands/cities in Indian folklore, Dwarka being the biggest example. I was kinda hoping you'd cover that too, since that was a bustling city going underwater only a few thousand years ago.. :)
It’s crazy to think doggerland was still around when gobekli tepe was built
The "You Know" drinking game would be absolutely, punishingly, brain destroyingly devastating in those unscripted chat parts.
my favourite: "pre, you know, pre-germanic" and "you know, launch, you know"
I find your videos really informative and interesting and really enjoyed watching it. I would suggest to cut the super cute clips with the cat to the end of the video, because i found it a bit distracting from focussing and unterstanding the topic, but i love those clips too.
You did a great job on this video! I am looking forward to more informative and interesting content from you.
It was pretty funny how you mentioned so many other videos you've made in this video. I think that also shows just how interconnected our world is and how much geography plays a part in all other parts of our history.
Love the collab bro!
9:43 the bretons and the welsh are indo-european though. celtic languages and cultures were much more widespread across europe before the spread of germanic and italic and things like that, but celtic is indo-european just like they are. in fact, celtic and italic are very closely related, possibly making up their own branch of indo-european
I recently found your channel and I must say that I really love your videos (especially the Island biogeography miniseries) and the effort that you put into them. Keep it up bro
Just listening to the section where you're discussing the Vikings rampaging Dogger Island... Neither of you considered the possibility of the Dogger people being another version of the Vikings?
I think he says it would have been more celtic or a mix of celtic and and viking cultures.
Hey! Love your stuff. What app do you use for those blue and white pictures of the Earth that look real, but have Doggerland or other submerged areas superimposed?
I actually discovered sable island while I was just looking at google earth I thought, huh what a weird island in the middle of the sea I wonder what it’s story is, but I I never knew until today, so thanks for that :P
RUclips's bleep blorp bloop bloops brought me here at 0740 after an all night dealing with trauma caused neuropathy...spasms, extreme pain, etc. This video has oddly soothed me and I'm looking forward to checking out more of your videos. Regards from Missouri friend!
Why be an island when you can be a peninsula instead?
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why be isolated geographically, when you can be isolated politically?
Ya'lls conversation was awesome. Ya'll were both clearly enjoying it and having a great time. Fun.
Is there any relation between sinking Islands and the myth of Atlantis? Would be a fantastic video if there was any correlation
I really liked this format, talking with someone else knowledgeable on the subject and each of you blowing each other's minds back and forth. was really enjoyable. to watch/listen to
Bizarre mentioning from AlternateHistoryHub regarding the Vikings as though they would be the only invaders of Doggerbank. If it was only a few meters higher, it would have been fairly similar to Britain: Celtic, then Roman, then Germanic before the Vikings ever appear. They wouldn't be time capsule islands.
I think the best reveal a youtuber can make is a pet reveal
For an interesting one gained and lost in more recent times is Ferdinandea/Graham Island (depending on who you ask) in the Mediterranean, near Sicily. It's popped up above the surface and been washed away 4 times since 300BC, and the most recent of these, in the 1800s, sparked a 4 way dispute over rule of the island between the Kingdom of Sicily, the United Kingdom, France, and another country that I can't find listed in my quick skimming of Wikipedia. This dispute lasted from shortly after its emergence in August until it once again fell beneath the waves in December, and was only resolved by the island's collapse making the dispute a moot point.
I never knew how much I needed a voice clip of Cody saying the word "boppin'" before now, thank you.
I keep forgetting just how recent other lands have been in existence. There's so little people learn about or know about our own world and it's criminal we don't teach it.
I thank the internet for allowing me to know these things.
There is a reason why there are so much stories of sunken lands and great flood events around the globe and in different, completely unrelated religions.
42 minute video right before bed? Hell yes I’m showing up to work late tomorrow!
Sweet potato, a staple throughout Polynesia, came from South America, so there was definite migration westwards across the Pacific at some point.
Yes! The general consensus is Polynesians went to South America and then came back with kūmara. But how about meeting in the middle!
I've heard (although I can't remember where :/ ) that the Māori name kūmara is similar to a native American name for it.
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This guy is something else. This is the first time I see himself talking in the video, what I’m impressed is that it looks like he’s just talking, not reading an script.
Weird to think about that islands would disappear in such a short period of time. Also I love your cat :D
Islands like the ones in the North Sea and near Canada are prone to disappear very quickly because they are not made up of bedrock but just sediments. A single huge weather event like a storm surge can destroy thousands of square kilometers in a single day in such low lying lands. There are multiple occasions in recorded history of the middle ages where on single days dozens of villages and huge swaths of land got swept away during a storm. Some of them even changing the coastline in such drastic ways, creating new bays and islands which still exist in modern times. One example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Marcellus%27s_flood
I’m really glad you didn’t cut out the kitty content because that’s super wholesome and adorable (I see cat in the first minute, I am happy)
Bruh it's like being in one of my geography lessons, but I'm actually entertained and learning
I usually don't comment stuff like this but your videos are the most fun, informative and easy to understand among all educational youtubers on the platform
I bet the story of Atlantis was inspired by retellings of one of these events.
Kinda like all the great flood stories we see through history.
Actually, Atlantis is a legend with an origin. It started from a story told in one of Plato’s dialogues, and was basically entirely allegorical, calling back to the destruction of Thera (modern Santorini) which was destroyed by a volcanic eruption.
That's why there are so many storys of sunken lands around the world in nearly every culture that lives near an ocean, completely unrelated to Atlantis. Because these kinds of events happened often in human history and remained deep within cultural memory although they happened long before history got recorded. The same with the flood in the bible. In nearly every religion there is a flood event long long time ago. Even in the ones predating Christianity by millenia and separated geographically by thousands of kilometers..
A city built on a shallow, sandy island + and underwater earthquake causing a tsunami = Atlantis.
@@rhodiumthunderbird Then Dogger Bank was more Atlantis than Atlantis was, since it at least was in the Atlantic, where the tales *said* it was.
Never have I had my home province more talked about with in a RUclips video, 10/10
I imagine Ceaser would have been on that island long before norsemen. It could have been little england essentially and a weird buffer island between france and england.
Edit: More than likely I imagine do to it's location Dogger island would be similiar to Brittany on a political level and perhaps culutural as well.
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Great videos Cody
I learn something new every time I watch.
One really interesting thing about what if more of the Seychelles was exposed is that those islands would even have been home to their own unique genus of crocodile, because we have a fossil taxon named Alabrachampsus from the nearby aldabra atoll!
This video came up in my recommended and I'm so glad it did, subscribed! Can't wait to see what else you have in store, next I'll be listening to you and Cody nerd out for an hour.
I had my breath held for you to mention the seamounts off-shore of British Columbia and Alaska like Bowie Seamount-- my favorite lost islands! Several of them would have had their peaks exposed during the LGM and are suspected to have served as ice-free stepping-stones for the migration of humans into North America. Bowie's peak is ~25m below sea level in the present day!
The traditionally whale-hunting Nootka have Lovecraftian names for those, like "Monster guarding West".
It'd incredible to hear Nova Scotia talked about. ❤
Great video. I had no idea these islands were still present up until so recently. The Eastern Pacific stuff, in particular, is very thought provoking.
One of the biggest mysteries of Eastern Polynesian prehistory is how the South American sweet potato made it into the area. It just "appeared" in the central Pacific area around 1200AD, and this particular genus of sweet potato, or Kumar, definitely came from S. America. No one is sure how. I studied Pacific prehistory at Auckland University and non of the prof's had any real idea other than Eastern Polynesians made it to S.America, at some point pre 1200AD and then took it back. Why go back if you've made it to the continent? Also, if they did, then wouldn't there be at least some Austronesian genetic markers in the west coastal S. American gene pool? These things tend to happen when different people's meet for the first time. Also, wouldn't there be accounts of this contact somewhere in the oral histories of Eastern Polynesia AND/OR Ecuador/Peru (where this particular genus of kumara comes from)?
It sorta makes more sense for South Americans fleeing the continent (between 3000 and 1000 years ago), to make the shorter trip to Rapa nui, and then do some limited island hopping toward the Gambier and Tuomotu archipelago? They would be planting and tending sweet potato etc.. as a food source.wherever they land. They then probably slowly died out over the next few thousand years (perhaps as the islands sunk), then around 1200AD the first Eastern Polynesians made it as far East as Rapa nui and discovered the wild sweet potato, they'd left behind, on some of the remaining islands and took it back etc..
This hypothesis vould explain the lack of evidence of a South American presence in the Eastern Pacific - it's all on the sea bed!
One problem I have is why didn't coral reefs form around the sinking islands? Is the water too cold? The whole thing is a really interesting line of thought though. Thanks for the vid.
One problem
The channel Stefan Milo recently did a video essay covering the topic of Polynesian and Native American pre-colonial contact which explores possible answers to some of these questions!
ruclips.net/video/ycRcWK7pMoM/видео.html
While contemplating the Mascarine and Seychelles, remember the Seychelles are also home to giant tortoises who would have spread throughout the archipelago. In fact, there were giant tortoises on Mauritius and Reunion in the 18th century. The Reunion species lasted until 1840.
I'm thinking that if the Dogger Island still existed and a sizeable population ended up trapped there, the would have had generations to watch their lands shrinking.
That would give them a very strong incentive to develop a naval culture of their own very early on, as they lost more and more of their farming and hunting grounds and started to harvest the sea instead.
By the time the middle ages come around, they might have actually reached a population level where their island wasn't enough to sustain their population and they'd start raiding instead.
A modern alternate fiction novel series featuring these islands could really be fascinating
Another great video. Any chance that you'll do a video about the natural and artificial waterways of New York? The Hudson, Mohawk, and Champlain valleys are what made New York the Empire State.
I'm glad you started with Doggerland. It's an interesting history.
Kinda surprised you didn't bring up any of the old seamounts from the Hawaiian hotspot that were once islands. On the same note, looking at the Aleutians with lower sea levels might have some interesting results.
Land bridge time baby!
May I left out talking about the Hawaiian islands because they’re going to be the focus of the NEXT video 🤔
Kitty wants to help Daddy....just too funny and adorable!
I saw something about small mammoths on Wrangle Island ( near Alaska ) as well.
Was pleasantly surprised by the cat! Made me smile. Thank you for not editing that out.
I love how two of my favourite RUclips channel authors are geeking out about geography!
''Isn't that crazy?! Not to me anymore!''
I just remembered how your very first video was on doggerland. The improvement is substantial! Cheers from a longtime subscriber