Islands That AREN'T Actually Islands

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  • Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
  • Lately we've been learning about the field of island biogeography, but so far every example we've looked at has been... an island. Today we're changing that by taking a look at three places that despite not exactly being land surrounded by water nonetheless experience the same evolutionary pressures as them.
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  • @theghosthero6173
    @theghosthero6173 2 года назад +3281

    One thing you haven't mentioned is that Patagonia has been settled by humans long before the other island ecosystems you've addressed in past videos. Animals subject to island gigantism famously are targeted by humans and went extinct extremely often shortly after contact. Thus humans might have hunted some species of Patagonian fauna to extinction, leaving only smaller ones. That's one of the big reasons why their is no more large animals in Australia, why not Patagonia too.

    • @pokefanchanti
      @pokefanchanti 2 года назад +212

      That makes wonderful sense.
      Guess we're the greatest predator in the world

    • @user-cx9nc4pj8w
      @user-cx9nc4pj8w 2 года назад +348

      I think that's also just humans being good at extincting other animals in general, especially large ones that have not contacted them before. Africa is the only region that still has large numbers of megafauna, and this is probably because they evolved alongside humans and adapted to them, whereas everywhere else had no idea that the funny naked ape was the most dangerous animal around.

    • @heichan8657
      @heichan8657 2 года назад +22

      yh i think giant ground sloth coexist with humans in south america

    • @owenstockwood5040
      @owenstockwood5040 2 года назад +48

      @@heichan8657 I am pretty sure those are extinct.

    • @ericvulgate
      @ericvulgate 2 года назад +6

      or alternately the worst.

  • @benoitterneyre5064
    @benoitterneyre5064 2 года назад +362

    What do you think about abyssal gigantism? Maybe you could apply your method and consider the ocean depths as an island to understand why squids, arthropods or Greenland Sharks adapted to huge sizes when deep underwater

    • @jimrodarmel8512
      @jimrodarmel8512 2 года назад +37

      Good suggestion. Probably the stronger pressure is lack of predators, I think food is pretty scarce in the abyssal depths.

    • @wizardtim8573
      @wizardtim8573 2 года назад +47

      Abyssal Gigantism is believed to be an adaptation to both pressure and temperature.
      The square cube law states that as an object doubles in size, its internal space increases by 8x, and its surface space only increases by 4x. This reduces the effective surface pressure by reducing the surface compared to the internal structure pushing back. It also reduces the loss of body heat by reducing the surface area through which heat can be lost. That's the working hypothesis anyway.

    • @jimrodarmel8512
      @jimrodarmel8512 2 года назад +1

      @@wizardtim8573 Thanks for your scholarly input on this question!

    • @derpychicken2131
      @derpychicken2131 Год назад +9

      Abyssal Gigantism is mostly about efficiency. Because they have so much more volume within them, they retain heat better and are far more efficient compared to smaller counterparts. The channel DeepSeaOddities covers strange critters down there and one of the most common traits among them is Deep Sea Gigantism.

    • @Mr.JG.
      @Mr.JG. Год назад

      Spider crabs. 😳

  • @Jonas-le2rb
    @Jonas-le2rb 2 года назад +336

    Baikal lake is actually really really cool, I stayed there at January. Freezing cold but so beatiful. When standing still without making any noises you can hear the ice moving and cracking. Really unique sound, like really mild thunderstorm... I've never seen so many stars there.... you can also drink from the lake.

    • @YoursUntruly
      @YoursUntruly Год назад +4

      I wouldn’t drink from anything that’s non moving.

    • @Chevybevy1131
      @Chevybevy1131 Год назад +47

      @@YoursUntruly bikal lake is large enough to have currents

    • @Edward4Plantagenet
      @Edward4Plantagenet Год назад

      @@YoursUntruly , you shouldn't drink even moving water.
      In upstream, there can be anything possible like Dead animals, feces, rotten things.

    • @YoursUntruly
      @YoursUntruly Год назад +1

      @@Edward4Plantagenet yeah but it’s a way better bet when you’re dehydrated and NEED to drink something, always go for running water.

    • @ggerdagg
      @ggerdagg Год назад +35

      @@YoursUntruly I live here and you can drink this water, it’s safe. They said some small animals clean it. Japanese people even come here to find out if those animals could clean their water too

  • @SergeiAndropov
    @SergeiAndropov Год назад +152

    I briefly lived near Mt. Ulurugu. It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever been. I don't remember seeing any tiny chameleons there, but I guess that's kind of the point.

    • @TheMinecraftandblueyfanlol900
      @TheMinecraftandblueyfanlol900 Год назад

      Its uluru not ulugru

    • @mvalthegamer2450
      @mvalthegamer2450 Год назад +32

      @@TheMinecraftandblueyfanlol900 Ulurugu is a range in Tanzania, while Uluru is a mountain in Australia

    • @theredwarrior1942
      @theredwarrior1942 7 месяцев назад +10

      @@TheMinecraftandblueyfanlol900 Imagine trying to correct someone he doesn't know and doesn't know where he lived, spelling it wrong and being in the wrong to begin with.

    • @GabrielKitignaTessouat
      @GabrielKitignaTessouat 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@TheMinecraftandblueyfanlol900If you know what Uluru Rock is you know where it is, and it’s not Africa.

    • @DoYouSeeBananaManTH
      @DoYouSeeBananaManTH 9 часов назад

      @@TheMinecraftandblueyfanlol900delete this comment it’s wrong

  • @fgg4136
    @fgg4136 2 года назад +937

    Speaking of islands, I think Southeast Asia would be an interesting topic to explore if you haven't already. I don't see many RUclipsrs talk about the Wallace Line or the Coral Triangle which is a shame because it's such an intriguing region of the world.

    • @fafddzfaf
      @fafddzfaf 2 года назад +86

      And Borneo too! The Bornean sun bears and pygmy elephants are also examples of insular dwarfism :) Not to mention a close cousin of homo sapiens, another human species, found in the region. What a fascinating place!

    • @muhamadamin3
      @muhamadamin3 2 года назад +29

      One of the richest biodiversity regions too

    • @DesertsOfHighfleet
      @DesertsOfHighfleet 2 года назад +4

      @@fafddzfaf I'm curious, what other human species?

    • @parkerjohnston3522
      @parkerjohnston3522 2 года назад +28

      @@DesertsOfHighfleet it’s something like “homo florensus” they’re related to the dovicidans species of asia

    • @ajmentel2453
      @ajmentel2453 2 года назад +15

      @@DesertsOfHighfleet Homo floresiensis en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

  • @EGHGHI
    @EGHGHI 2 года назад +521

    Correction! There is another fresh water seal in a lake in Finland called Saimaa Ringed Seal!

    • @Tsuchimursu
      @Tsuchimursu 2 года назад +62

      I had decided to shut up about it until he said that baikal seal is the only freshwater seal... xD

    • @Smudgah
      @Smudgah 2 года назад +6

      Can confirm.

    • @TheWoollyFrog
      @TheWoollyFrog 2 года назад +28

      Wait but aren't the Saimaa and the Ladoga just subspecies of the ringed seal? The Baikal seal is a species of its own.

    • @se6369
      @se6369 2 года назад +22

      @@TheWoollyFrog He never said species of seal though, he just said seal

    • @Tsuchimursu
      @Tsuchimursu 2 года назад +25

      @@TheWoollyFrog it's still a seal living purely in fresh water.

  • @alpacario336
    @alpacario336 Год назад +37

    Another thing you should've mentioned about the Andes mountains is their many endemic plant species as well. There are over 18,000 species of potatoes alone in Peru thanks to the Andes.

  • @nom3nnescio
    @nom3nnescio Год назад +18

    4:41 The Saimaa ringed seal is endemic to their habitat in Lake Saimaa, Finland. The lake lies between the cities of Lappeenranta in the south and Joensuu in the north, spanning an oval of approximately 180 by 140 km (112 by 87 mi). It consists of numerous larger basins connected by narrower glacier-carved channels, and its geography is maze-like, having 13,710 islands.

  • @emilebeguin8404
    @emilebeguin8404 2 года назад +389

    I was expecting you to talk about the Tepuis, in Venezuela and Guiana. These rock formations have a flat top and are totally separated from mainland by high cliffs, an thus they are an amazing example of endemic flora and fauna (for example unique carnivorous plants).
    Back in the days, the speculation about what could be found on these remote plateaus drove Conan Doyle to write 'The Lost World' where he describes dinosaurs still living there.

    • @jeffeppenbach
      @jeffeppenbach 2 года назад +10

      Came to the comments to say this, though I couldn't remember the name, and only the general area.

    • @joon3900
      @joon3900 2 года назад +10

      Is that where Mount Roraima is?

    • @AntonioZL
      @AntonioZL 2 года назад +14

      At the top of this tepui, the borders of guiana, venezuela and brazil meet. They have different names depending on the side you are.

    • @hoseasylvester2596
      @hoseasylvester2596 Год назад +1

      @@AntonioZL guyana*

    • @AntonioZL
      @AntonioZL Год назад +7

      @@hoseasylvester2596 It's guiana in portuguese, which is my native language.

  • @cjclark1208
    @cjclark1208 2 года назад +106

    Dude you’re channel is like a public service, thank you for teaching such interesting content.

    • @Hunter-jx8jl
      @Hunter-jx8jl 2 года назад +4

      Your*

    • @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
      @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Год назад

      @@Hunter-jx8jl I fkg knew this reply was gonna come as soon as I read the comment. I was gonna write a more annoying, ironic version of the *your thing, but since you already "uhm achtchually'd" this guy I'm just gonna reply to you instead.

  • @sleeperbmx
    @sleeperbmx 2 года назад +7

    The amount of research and thought that goes into your videos is astounding, I absolutely love every video you release and look forward to learning new information each time!

  • @Tegilles
    @Tegilles Год назад +34

    I grew up in southern Arizona, the Sonoran desert makes it a semi arid climate with many similar sky island mountains with interesting geography. I also live in Mozambique for two years In the peace corps and hiked many of the mountains their. I found the climates very similar. Might be an interesting line of investigation for your next video.

  • @n1c930
    @n1c930 2 года назад +184

    As a chilean I grew up hearing teachers talk about how the country is similar to an island due to its natural borders with neighboring countries, such as the Atacama in the north, the ocean in the west and south, and the Andes mountains in the East.

    • @manumusicmist
      @manumusicmist Год назад +8

      Your teacher isn't wrong. Countries are islands too in many perspectives.

    • @TheLastTocharian
      @TheLastTocharian Год назад

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_mentality

    • @Nickferal
      @Nickferal Год назад +6

      Vale la pena mencionar que los animales gigantes se extinguieron en Chile, como en todo América

    • @CmLeo145
      @CmLeo145 Год назад +1

      @@Nickferal e en australia tambien

  • @beerad.
    @beerad. 2 года назад +128

    Loving this series, great to learn so much more about those lesser known animals. Would love to see a video on New Zealand's diverse bird-family, especially talking about the Moa

    • @anna_in_aotearoa3166
      @anna_in_aotearoa3166 2 года назад +4

      One thing that didn't seem to be touched on explicitly in this really interesting vid was the impact of humans, whether predatory or changing the environment (eg through slash & burn) - I didn't know if that was because we've simply been too recent to make a significant contribution to such isolated evolutionary processes...?
      Aotearoa/NZ is (sadly) a great example of how introduction of humans can cause rapid extinctions of both megafauna and miniaturised species, but do you know if there's anywhere in the world where human impact can be specifically linked to changes in species sizes without actual domestication being involved...?

  • @andrewratz6344
    @andrewratz6344 2 года назад +2

    You are the only person I have seen talking about island biogeography and I'm loving it. You helped me find a passion that I didn't even know existed and may be starting some research in the field!

  • @Reallycoolguy1369
    @Reallycoolguy1369 2 года назад +3

    Best video yet. I REALLY like what you are doing, bringing something unique that no one else is. It's also fantastic that your research doesn't always lead to answers, because you are asking questions that may not have answers yet. With your level of passion, you could be the one going out there studying these island ecosystems. It would be pretty cool to expand the totality of human knowledge. Just a thought, but keep making the videos!

  • @SeanPAllen
    @SeanPAllen 2 года назад +593

    I'd love to see your thoughts on cave "island" populations! This series is great, please keep it up! :)

    • @FernandoSanchez-fx4os
      @FernandoSanchez-fx4os 2 года назад +20

      In spain there is a cabe were albino scorpions live and you cant find em in another place of the world

    • @orangeoran4020
      @orangeoran4020 Год назад +7

      In Texas there's a group of caves where each one has a some different completely endemic species of spider.

    • @adamparker5467
      @adamparker5467 Год назад +3

      @@orangeoran4020 A lot of caves in the Hill Country have a species of cute (and endemic) axolotls. I’ll also never forget learning that shrimp live on top of Enchanted Rock, that restructured my brain.

    • @RipleySawzen
      @RipleySawzen Год назад

      I was extremely disappointed at zero mention of caves. Some are actually sealed off from outside life completely, making them more isolated than an island in the middle of the ocean.

    • @tikaanipippin
      @tikaanipippin Год назад

      Not to mention "Culex pipiens molestus", in the London Underground!

  • @marcinszymczyk4148
    @marcinszymczyk4148 2 года назад +92

    This series is great because it teaches you a lot about evolution, one of my favorite topics. When it comes to suggestions, I am not able to indicate a specific place, but the introduction mentioned desert oases and in the material I did not notice that there was any mention of animals from oases.

  • @beenaturalinc
    @beenaturalinc Год назад +3

    I am thrilled to have come across this RUclips connection. I think your content, production quality and enthusiasm are well above par. Thank you.

  • @chippysteve4524
    @chippysteve4524 2 года назад +6

    Loving your work dude.
    Sharing the amazing uniqueness and complexity of different ecosystems and tieing it in with geology,climate etc is just amazing.
    Wish u'd been my geography teacher at school!

  • @PoliticswithPaint
    @PoliticswithPaint 2 года назад +77

    Very interesting, I never thought of lakes and caves consciously as islands before with the same evolutionary pressures.

    • @OptimisticNihilist15
      @OptimisticNihilist15 2 года назад +5

      A pleasant surprise to see you here. Maybe a future collaboration of how much geography has affected politics throughout history and still continues to do so.

    • @tedrash7402
      @tedrash7402 2 года назад +4

      ​@@OptimisticNihilist15 A collab from Politics with Paint and Atlaspro would be amazingg!

    • @whannabi
      @whannabi 2 года назад +3

      Evolutionary and literal pressure

  • @brendenlindstrom
    @brendenlindstrom 2 года назад +88

    Another island analog is a small hill of grass in Idaho’s Craters of the Moon National Monument. Lava flows surrounded a plain of grasses long before human arrival and left a small “island” where the grasses were separate from the rest of the plains. Human arrival introduced all sorts of invasive species to Idaho and this “island” acts as a step back in time to all of Idaho’s native grasses.

    • @DarylPhillips98
      @DarylPhillips98 2 года назад +4

      Cool!

    • @mrp4242
      @mrp4242 Год назад +1

      Good call.

    • @norml.hugh-mann
      @norml.hugh-mann Год назад +1

      As you mentioned though, invasive species have made it appear like the rest of the area unless you know what you are looking for.

    • @DarylPhillips98
      @DarylPhillips98 Год назад +1

      @@norml.hugh-mann yeah, it’s pretty neat! 🪨

  • @ronnronn55
    @ronnronn55 2 года назад

    Nice work. I especially like your engagement in thinking through rather than just relying on other's research for answers. Good work with the graphics too. And, yes. I subscribed. Ronn

  • @1818kitten
    @1818kitten Год назад +2

    This is one of the best informational series on ecological topics I have ever seen. I love the way you develop your arguments and the details your provide are amazing! Thank you

  • @Kasaaz
    @Kasaaz 2 года назад +179

    In regard to the chameleons, another factor might be cold-blooded animals would have more drastic effects from growing larger, as volume to surface area ratios change and the ability to warm themselves in the sun becomes impossible. The opposite problem of Whales, where volume to surface area helps them retain heat.

    • @howardbaxter2514
      @howardbaxter2514 2 года назад +4

      It’s probably both.

    • @peterjones4180
      @peterjones4180 2 года назад +1

      Need i remind you of Pliosaurs, and Plesiosaurs, Crocodilians Varanids etc.

    • @Prospector32
      @Prospector32 2 года назад +10

      The argument of heat being a factor isn't plausible. Homeothermic animals (not cold-blooded) want to be warmer, and being larger helps them maintain those temperatures longer so being smaller is not advantageous. Also, they are living in tropical and subtropical environments where heat isn't a factor, they are warm enough to do what they need whenever they want.
      More likely the ancestral chameleon was already small and these are just a result of a isolative evolution where one species becomes multiple distinct species when one or more population is isolated from the main population. There are other dwarf chameleons that inhabit southern Africa which are related to these montane species. Most likely the environment on these mountains hasn't changed relative to what the ancestral species inhabited. Therefore, there's a lack of change in the amount of dietary stress, which is the main factor related to a change in size. However, predatory or sexual selective influences seem to be present which tends to be the main driver for colour changes as we see in the dramatically different colouration between species.

    • @justskip4595
      @justskip4595 Год назад

      @@Prospector32 Greetings from Finland. We have some lizards here too and they are very tiny. It is also rather cold here usually.
      This video showed the "one size fits all" expectation to be a problem when comparing very different things because there are more than just few variables.

  • @jewishjedi
    @jewishjedi 2 года назад +62

    The Congo River could be a good one to look at. It's a very deep river and separates some recent speciations, like the chimpazee/bonobo split.

    • @robertolesen5782
      @robertolesen5782 2 года назад +1

      @@cruz7579 Yeah and the incredible current separates some too.

  • @connorswanson
    @connorswanson 2 года назад

    Incredible video as always!!! Best channel I've found in the past year, keep it up!

  • @crippledepre9539
    @crippledepre9539 Год назад +1

    I think I’ve watched all of your videos in about two weeks… wasn’t at all into geography before but you make it so interesting and easy to listen to. Please MOOOORE ! 😂

  • @JL-ti3us
    @JL-ti3us 2 года назад +137

    There are similar montane forests across Southern Africa. And in some of the ones in South Africa you find Ghost Frogs, which are usually only endemic to isolated mountain peaks across the country. One area in particular is in hogsback in the Eastern Cape, which rises out of the dry plains surrounding it into a temperate rainforest. Its in the Amathole mountain range.

    • @robertolesen5782
      @robertolesen5782 2 года назад

      Very interesting, thanks.

    • @kevincronk7981
      @kevincronk7981 2 года назад +1

      weird that ghost frogs are a thing in mountains in South Africa, they're fairly common on some beaches here in the east coast of the US (specifically Assateague Island I'm not as sure if they're common in other places but they probably are)

    • @JL-ti3us
      @JL-ti3us 2 года назад

      @@kevincronk7981 think its probably the case of different genus having the same name, every article I check says there are only species in southern africa and have no related species in North America. Also, had a look at a government website, seems none of the frog species there are classified as ghost Frogs, so could also be a local name.

  • @frankb3347
    @frankb3347 2 года назад +111

    What about islands under the water? Like areas in the ocean that rise above the surrounding terrain and get more sunlight but are still below the surface? Volcanic vents could also create isolated islands of a sort.

    • @marclouiepg670
      @marclouiepg670 2 года назад +9

      Taal Volcano is a “Vulcan Point island within a crater lake on the volcano island within a lake on Luzon island.”

    • @5kunk157h35h17
      @5kunk157h35h17 2 года назад +12

      Currents carry eggs, larvae etc very far. I don't think many of these places are in effect isolated even though the distances between them can be huge. But i may be wrong!

    • @frankb3347
      @frankb3347 2 года назад +5

      @@5kunk157h35h17 that's certainly true for small animals that mass spawn into the currents. There could however be instances of larger species found in isolated pockets. I don't know of any but it at least seems possible.

    • @5kunk157h35h17
      @5kunk157h35h17 2 года назад +3

      ​ @Frank B Yes I think it could happen but I don't see how the main things causing gigantism (untapped resources, lack of predation, lack of competition) would occur in something as connected as the sea. But I don't know enough. I'm just guessing. But if it does happen I think the deep sea would be the best candidate. Deep sea currents are much slower than surface currents. Some isolated parts could possibly be impossible to reach for organisms suspended in them.
      Quote about currents "Whereas speeds of surface currents can reach as high as 250 cm/sec (98 in/sec, or 5.6 mph) a maximum for the Gulf Stream, speeds of deep currents vary from 2 to 10 cm/sec (0.8 to 4 in/sec) or less."

    • @philipmulholland8873
      @philipmulholland8873 2 года назад +3

      @@5kunk157h35h17 They can be isolated if the water has a higher salinity.

  • @mazer4112
    @mazer4112 Год назад +13

    I was shocked while watching the deep sea videos to learn of the giant isopod which has a terrestrial cousin - the woodlouse. It’s also fascinating to learn about the small shallow water sharks like the leopard shark and it’s cousins the Greenland shark (poison meat) the basking and whale sharks as well as the similar appearances of the great white snd salmon shark. Nature is magestical and I can spend a lifetime learning and still not learn it all. Good stuff

  • @MystikmonC
    @MystikmonC 2 года назад +1

    All your videos are awesome, keep posting as always!!! Great efforts 👍

  • @SquiddyInvicta
    @SquiddyInvicta 2 года назад +79

    Love your content man, it is so consistently of the highest quality.

  • @OliB2004
    @OliB2004 2 года назад +108

    My first thought for why gigantism is rarer in island analogues than on true islands is actually something you already mentioned earlier in the video when talking about why the chameleons got smaller instead of bigger. When islands form in the ocean they start out as bare rock so none of the niches are filled. This means that once plants begin to populate the islands there are abundant resources and little competition for small animals that make it to the islands so they are able to fill niches typically held by larger animals and grow bigger. When an area becomes isolated on land, for example due to a mountain range, the niches are already filled when the ecosystem is cut off from the ‘mainland’. Therefore the species present don’t experience any decrease, or at least very little decrease, in competition, and experience a decrease in available resources instead of an increase, therefore there tends to be no pressure to get larger. It may also explain why the only example of gigantism in this video was the amphipods in baikal. To me lakes seem most like true islands, being isolated from the moment they form meaning they start out with abundant resources and many open niches, meaning any species that are able to get there from the sea/ocean aka the ‘mainland’ in this situation, have little competition and abundant resources allowing them to undergo gigantism much in the same way as island organisms.
    I rambled on for longer than intended there, and I don’t know if anyone will actually bother reading all this, but I hope I got my point across in a way that made sense

    • @Rollermonkey1
      @Rollermonkey1 2 года назад +6

      Endhorric lakes also have another resource that increases, dissolved minerals. The catch there is the species need to be able to adapt to those increases. Plants would have the easier time of it, since they are the initial organism in that chain, whereas further up the food chain, those animals require something else to have had evolutionary success, first, which may not always occur.

    • @Dragrath1
      @Dragrath1 2 года назад +3

      Yeah especially in the case of large and deep rift lake type environments like lake Baikal you really do see strong parallels between lakes and islands.
      Though a nuance to account for in discussion of refugia bases island analogs is that prior to the rise of the Andes to their modern towering heights in the Miocene South America was considerably different from today though in some sense it was an island environment of its own in that its fauna ecology were noticeably distinct. Note that in the far south this does not apply to flora the same way specifically for plants which use wind dispersal as the circumpolar jets of the Antarctic have ecologically kept the flora of the far south in genetic contact.
      The rise of the Andes to their modern towering heights had a profound effect on these South American ecosystems as it occurred fairly suddenly causing the unique species high on the food chain to be unable to adapt leading to the complete extinction of the Sparassodonts(metatherian mammal apex predators) and Sebecids(an ancient lineage of crocodylomorphs that independently survived the K-Pg extinction convergently evolving theropod like jaw anatomy most strongly resembling the tyrannosauridae) and the extinction of the larger lineages of terror birds. AT their prime south American Sebecids reached some of the largest sizes seen among Cenozoic apex predators filling in the niches of the theropods of the Mesozoic so this arguably might be classified as a form of insular gigantism as south America was isolated though ultimately I think this is a poor fit as the larger sizes might be far better explained in terms of the competition among the branches of the South American predator guilds
      The point is that this meant these and other ecological niches were vacant when the great American interchange happened some ~10 million years later so a resulting key distinction between South America and other refugia island analog environments is that it was primarily a wave of initially generalist species which invaded the continent speciating into these vacant niches effectively trapping those species which specialize into insular dwarfism. In this sense you may have potentially even gotten gigantism but even if that was the case humans kind of ended that when they came to the Americas. At the very least rodents when they arrived in South America by rafting dispersal sometime between 30 to 50 million years ago certainly did

  • @mikkelfalck-paulsen2812
    @mikkelfalck-paulsen2812 2 года назад

    I absolutely love your channel! It always makes my day when you post a new video, keep up the great work

  • @holdommi7505
    @holdommi7505 Год назад

    it feels like you do such a crazy amount of research for these vids, man. i love the content lots, keep up the good work :)

  • @achaeanmapping4408
    @achaeanmapping4408 2 года назад +58

    Is it weird that of all things, the part that I found the most interesting was that about the Andes? Idk why,but I just find the fact that mountains can streach to such a vast area and be so large that they can wall off regions from moisture and keep it in others so fascinating. And the fact that is switches the biomes with the change in wind current, leading to effects that cant be only seen in geology but in things like population density makes it even cooler

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 2 года назад +11

      You see "rain shadow" effects in most regions. A range of mountains, or even hills, often attracts extra rainfall leaving the clouds empty, which means land on the leeward side of the range gets lower rainfalll than it would otherwise have.

    • @thelakeman2538
      @thelakeman2538 2 года назад +14

      Almost every mountain range and even hills do something similar known as the rain shadow effect. Another good example of this is the Himalayas turning Tibet into a cold desert by keeping the monsoon winds within Northern India and Terai region of Nepal.

    • @achaeanmapping4408
      @achaeanmapping4408 2 года назад +1

      @@Dave_Sisson Hey atleast that way you also get rivers, right?

    • @achaeanmapping4408
      @achaeanmapping4408 2 года назад +2

      @@thelakeman2538 OK, but I'd assume the drsasticness of of something like the Andes can only be done by mountain ranges like them or the Himalayas that are vast and tall. Simple hills can't wall off that much moisture and if it's a single mountain that doesn't stretch that far the same is true.

    • @spondylus4784
      @spondylus4784 2 года назад +1

      yet, there's also the antartandes if they had any opportunity to do so aswell when there was no ice on the continent.

  • @huebeyduebey3493
    @huebeyduebey3493 2 года назад +80

    Possible idea for “Islands that aren’t islands”. I recently learned of several salt water marshes near my home in south central Kansas, hundreds of miles from the nearest ocean. I know of two large area in Kansas and a larger one in Oklahoma, all of which are important stops for migratory birds on their seasonal trips north and south. Little islands of suitable habitat that make their trips possible. Not sure if there are examples of gigantism or dwarfism I just thought it’d make an interesting video!

    • @anna_in_aotearoa3166
      @anna_in_aotearoa3166 2 года назад +7

      Marshes would be fascinating to hear more about! There are such weird & wonderful biological things going on in those areas, whether it's critters/plants that bridge both salt & fresh water survival, or species that rely on marsh areas but migrate across enormous distances to complete their reproductive cycles...?

    • @jcmendezify
      @jcmendezify 2 года назад +3

      OMG this sounds dope af!

    • @huebeyduebey3493
      @huebeyduebey3493 2 года назад +4

      @@anna_in_aotearoa3166 it’s even more fascinating when you consider the lands surrounding them. Wheat, Corn, and soy fields everywhere and right in the middle these little islands of marshlands and one of the few places where native prairie grasses are allowed to flourish

    • @huebeyduebey3493
      @huebeyduebey3493 2 года назад +1

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quivira_National_Wildlife_Refuge

    • @huebeyduebey3493
      @huebeyduebey3493 2 года назад +1

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Plains_National_Wildlife_Refuge

  • @jannikgothe371
    @jannikgothe371 Год назад +1

    I held one of my finals about this topic (not specifically that part but you get it) and i really enjoyed this video. I had wondered before why there were so few videos about this topic, as i found it very interesting!
    Thank you
    :)

  • @SportFundMedved
    @SportFundMedved 11 месяцев назад +1

    Brilliant! I like the vibe and the flow and the the overall intellectuality of you videos! Good work!

  • @EvilParagon4
    @EvilParagon4 2 года назад +92

    I like the idea of the Marozi cryptid.
    A panthera species long gone undiscovered that lives in the Montanes of Kenya.
    Essentially adapted to its 'island' climate above the hot savannah below and unable to head down to lower elevations.
    It's probably not a real creature, and if it was, it's extinct now.
    But it was always a fun idea.

    • @waNErBOY
      @waNErBOY 2 года назад +4

      It did exists, the problem was that its consolidation of evolution, as in, when the species started breeding inbetween themselves, was also during the period of extreme hunting during the late 1800s which caused animals to go extint, or in this case, never allowed to settle as species.

  • @joelavalle7313
    @joelavalle7313 2 года назад +31

    When looking at the mountain forests in Africa, my first thought was that being forced to adapt to an "Island" with higher altitude might effect dwarfism through the simple lack of oxygen.

  • @samuelpatrick5050
    @samuelpatrick5050 2 года назад

    This video has way more info packed inside it than the title would suggest. You do amazing work! Keep it comimg!

  • @andreasalm2673
    @andreasalm2673 2 года назад

    Glad to see you're back with an episode for us.
    Great examples to prove your point.
    The constant adaptation of species to their environment is interesting, I think.
    Beyond the individual, zoomed out and macro, the limitations of Mount Mobu being an island makes a difference for enough many individuals for it to change the whole species, right?
    You are very good at what you do, you know.

  • @TheTimeMachine67
    @TheTimeMachine67 2 года назад +8

    Would love for you to cover the southern spruce fir forests! They’re a unique one because it shows how mountains not only create different environments through catching rainfall, but also by lowering temperature at higher elevations. It may be a little close to home and commonly visited for your channel but that’s part of what makes it so fascinating to me

  • @yxt8948
    @yxt8948 2 года назад +8

    Watching your videos are seriously the highlight of my month it’s literally an experience

  • @WmJared
    @WmJared 2 года назад

    Great video! Looking forward to you getting into a Wetlands series, going over the 30ish different types of inland and coastal wetland, and how that creates insular environmental and evolutionary pressures!
    As other commenters have noted, also keep in mind that human interaction seems to correlate positively with dwarfism amongst all species in their areas with one noted exception of rodents.

  • @sebastiencote1565
    @sebastiencote1565 2 года назад

    I love your recent videos! I’m a science guy with a special interest for geography, so I absolutely share your hype for biogeography!

  • @matthijsgeerlings
    @matthijsgeerlings 2 года назад +10

    Great video (as usual).
    Would definitely be interesting to see a follow-up on this.
    Another example of non-island islands might be cities since they can be more or less isolated and are very different from their surrounding areas.

    • @elainechubb971
      @elainechubb971 2 года назад

      Not completely isolated, however. Even on Manhattan Island in NYC coyotes have been spotted, having presumably crossed via one of the bridges from the Bronx, on the mainland, where they are now more often seen! And before the bridges, maybe some small species floated across, say, the East River on trees branches or debris.

  • @agrarianyeti8134
    @agrarianyeti8134 2 года назад +16

    I like the direction you are going, it's a topic that has always fascinated me. You should make a video on the Madrean Sky Islands. The Channel Islands in California also had insular dwarfism and gigantism during the ice ages and is shown in the fossil record. Hateg Island is a Cretaceous island in modern Hungary with the same.

  • @kingace6186
    @kingace6186 Год назад

    Please keep talking about Island BioGeography. I love this series. I have actually been watching since you first released the "Dodo | Island BioGeography 1" video, last year.

  • @mellertid
    @mellertid Год назад +6

    It's interesting indeed that an island is an island only to some. I recently learned about the New Zealand Kakapo. While a bird, it's flightless and instead the predators, like ferrets, are able to island-hop by swimming.

  • @oliverwells8011
    @oliverwells8011 2 года назад +7

    Top tier content, no filler, relevant pics/images, great narration... nice job bro

  • @aaronmarks9366
    @aaronmarks9366 2 года назад +36

    I absolutely freaking love this channel. And island isolation is such a fascinating biogeography topic!

  • @laneowhitey4102
    @laneowhitey4102 2 года назад

    I love the combo of geography and evolution and that is why I find your videos entertaining! thank you

  • @mrnnhnz
    @mrnnhnz Год назад +1

    Yes, I have been enjoying this. Thanks for your research and presenting it in an easily-absorbed way.

  • @JL-ti3us
    @JL-ti3us 2 года назад +13

    You and Bibliariadon are the only two youtubers who I have heard mention these principles. Thank you for broadening our horizons.

    • @absolutetucker9198
      @absolutetucker9198 2 года назад +1

      PBS Eons have also covered - a channel worth checking out if you haven’t seen it

    • @JL-ti3us
      @JL-ti3us 2 года назад

      @@absolutetucker9198 thanks, I've subbed to them, but haven't watched them too much in the past. Will give them another look nowm

  • @gamediverbr
    @gamediverbr 2 года назад +14

    A curiosity that I think is relevant to the topic: the Amazon Basin and the Congo Basin also have similar effects to islands along their beds, due to geological variations producing different speeds of currents, and consequently, of oxygenation of the waters and available resources.
    Some species exist only in certain stretches of rivers, with distinct subspecies according to those stretches (new subspecies of the pink dolphin is a recent example).

  • @Aeiroq
    @Aeiroq Год назад +1

    Love the effort you put into videos it really shows your passion 👌🏻👌🏻

  • @gaufrid1956
    @gaufrid1956 2 года назад +7

    Australia and New Zealand are of course good examples of how birds became flightless and larger because of isolation and the lack of predators. I live in Mindanao Philippines these days and since the Philippines developed between 60 million and 50 million years ago there have been many endemic species due to the insular conditions, but no instances of gigantism that I can think of. The Philippine Eagle is an exception but its habitat is only restricted by human intervention. Here in Mindanao is where they are found, and usually ranging from the mountains down towards the coast. I have occasionally spotted mated pairs hunting in the uphill area in Lumbia where I live.

  • @gabeshaw3721
    @gabeshaw3721 2 года назад +3

    This is my favorite of the videos you’ve released recently. I loved this new idea even if it isn’t entirely new. Like I get island biogeography isn’t new for you but this new conceptual application of island biodiversity was quite interesting, especially with the mountains. Well done!

  • @uydagcusdgfughfgsfggsifg753
    @uydagcusdgfughfgsfggsifg753 2 года назад +4

    This channel is really something to be proud of, congrats on all the hard work paying off!

  • @red.maned.unicorn
    @red.maned.unicorn Год назад

    Recently found this channel - it's so nerdy and wholesome and I love it 😭

  • @chrisvelvol6936
    @chrisvelvol6936 2 года назад

    Worth mentioning Sari-Sariñama caves, Churun Meru and Roraima part of Tepuys system in Canaima National Park, among others. Excellent video and amazing channel.

  • @stevenf110
    @stevenf110 2 года назад +19

    Your general excitement about these topics is just amazing! Thank you for all the great work and time you put into every video! Honestly, it inspires me to find my own niche

  • @jaykaminski2519
    @jaykaminski2519 2 года назад +12

    Great video. I always love your work, as I am obsessed with all type of biogeography. This reminds me a bit of Mount Roraima. A pretty interesting place, as I heard the flora is more closely related to that in Africa then the surrounding ecosystems below.

  • @leandrotonello5973
    @leandrotonello5973 Год назад

    Man! That was a GREAT video! I assume you have dedicated hours and hours studiyng to bring this master piece for us!
    Just got a new subscriber.
    Keep going! I Think you really have found you niche! ;D

  • @karinadurand5473
    @karinadurand5473 Год назад +1

    Love your videos! I would love it if you were to make videos about the different regions of Peru since we have so many different ecosystems given those phenomenons you mentioned here: the Andes Mountain Range, the wind directions, the Humboldt Current, etc

  • @nicknickbon22
    @nicknickbon22 2 года назад +24

    I recently read Henry gee’s the accidental species, about human evolution, where he talks about Homo Floresesnsis, basically a human species subject to island dwarfism. It would be interesting to make make a video about it in this series, cause Homo Floresensis shows that humans are subject to evolution like any other species.

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 года назад

      I second that! More documentaries about the real life "hobbits" and the related "orang pendak" myths of Indonesia.

  • @kiprod6080
    @kiprod6080 2 года назад +6

    i love your biogeography videos, i also liked a lot the "where foods/spices/whatever came from"

  • @stevenbennett9924
    @stevenbennett9924 Год назад

    I've thoroughly enjoyed your videos. Geography has been a lifelong passion. For fun, I often make & study maps on Scribblemaps. So many intriguing nuances & I'll research the story behind the oddity on the map. Mount Cameroon is one oddity that comes to mind. Incredibly tall, & cooler climate, yet extremely close to the coast. I'm sure I could list lots more!
    I've hiked Pilot mountain, near Mount Airy, NC. While there is was very evident plants were going there that prefer the coolness over the lower Piedmont. Fascinating to me.

  • @TheNeonCreature92
    @TheNeonCreature92 Год назад

    This is the best video you’ve made so far! Keep it up!!

  • @marly8784
    @marly8784 2 года назад +15

    For an Island Biogeography episode I would be interested in seeing the unique animals of Australia.
    I would also like to see an episode of the origin of different flowers. You’ve done fruit and Vegetables, you should do flowers next.

  • @Progress_Tyrant
    @Progress_Tyrant 2 года назад +7

    Ah but you are mistaken, Ladoga ringed seal and Saimaa ringed seals are fresh water seals aswell

  • @Zhizhazhuzha
    @Zhizhazhuzha Год назад

    Amazing work! Very nicely done with all the research

  • @RichTiger7
    @RichTiger7 2 года назад

    I love it! Yes, I agree that you appear to have found your niche. And there is SO MUCH to explore within that niche that it is possible for you both to eventually become something of an expert in the field and to never learn all there is to know on the subject. Or, to borrow from your closing line, people will be sure to find something on your channel that can't be found anywhere else.

  • @--Paws--
    @--Paws-- 2 года назад +6

    4:00 You literally explained the arguments I was having about something similar on a video about these very seals. I had to elaborate on how the sheets during Ice Age may have an impact on how any of those seals got there, how they got isolated, etc.. The other person cannot seem to fathom the possibility of this happening.

    • @--Paws--
      @--Paws-- 2 года назад

      It was on the video by Moth Light Media: How did a seal get to a lake in the middle of Siberia ruclips.net/video/7GUnQsnLVGo/видео.html

    • @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
      @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Год назад

      Ice in land?? Impossible!

  • @abelangjq
    @abelangjq 2 года назад +3

    Wow! What an interesting concept! Can't wait to see where this will be explored further!

  • @Rudenbehr
    @Rudenbehr Год назад +1

    This was a phenomenal video and it encouraged me to look up how different geographically isolated animals evolve. Your example on birds and how they can only grow in height made me curious on the evolution of penguins! :D

  • @CMichaelEH
    @CMichaelEH 2 года назад

    these are always really great thanks so much for making them!

  • @gabbyn978
    @gabbyn978 2 года назад +17

    I would like to hear more about these Tepuis in the Amazon jungle (table mountains that rise up to nine thousand feet above the rainforest). There was a documentary about large red crickets and carnivorous plants several decades ago, and that was it. They didn't even specify how much the fauna would differ from one of these mountains to the next.

    • @aaronmarks9366
      @aaronmarks9366 2 года назад +1

      Those are some of the coolest landforms in the world, he should definitely do a video on their biology

  • @ilessthan3bees
    @ilessthan3bees 2 года назад +37

    "I had trouble finding examples of island geography, so if you want to see more videos like that be sure to go back in time and isolate some ecosystems and then let me know in the comments"
    Great video. Really fascinating stuff. Like you said, you cover a lot of cool topics that no one else does.

    • @ilessthan3bees
      @ilessthan3bees 2 года назад +8

      @@Stevie-J I pulled a quote from the video and modified it to make a joke. If you rewatch the video really carefully you'll notice that Atlas Pro did not actually advocate that people go back and drastically alter the planet to help him to make content. That's the joke and that's why (I assume) people liked my comment.
      He says in the first 15 seconds that "no one else on youtube is talking about [island biogeography]". The second part of my comment is agreeing with that. Sorry if complimenting someone isn't entertaining enough for you. Definitely a great reason for you to insult a stranger.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad 2 года назад +2

      @@Stevie-J You haven't been on the internet long enough if you think pulling a quote from a video is a sign of a bot.

    • @dansouthlondon9873
      @dansouthlondon9873 2 года назад

      @@Stevie-J you really need to get a life pal

  • @programmingwithian
    @programmingwithian 2 года назад +1

    Just noticed you have over a million subscribers. Been watching since that number was in the low thousands. Congratulations and keep up the great work

  • @modyusa1
    @modyusa1 2 года назад

    Love this episode is light, fascinated and still has information but not too much that took you sometimes to digest it all, love it's 💕

  • @clomino3
    @clomino3 2 года назад +8

    Ahhh yes, I live in upstate NY as well. That was quite a freaking snowstorm we had, for mid-April. A friend of mine lost power for 5 days.
    Anyway, great video as always!

  • @thebassoonman2020
    @thebassoonman2020 2 года назад +9

    I love plants and always find it interesting how in places like the Andes orchid diversity explodes because of isolation from the mountains they live by and in.

  • @seanammon6993
    @seanammon6993 2 года назад

    I love your channel. The topics, presentation, and my God that intro is so damn good.

  • @bethanys8841
    @bethanys8841 2 года назад +2

    I love this Island series! Some islands I suggest you make videos about are Madagascar, Indonesian Islands Borneo, Sumatra, Sulawesi, Palawan, and the Island of New Guinea the second largest island in the world.

  • @lunesta6348
    @lunesta6348 2 года назад +7

    I have all the same interests I swear… and I love exploring random places in the world on google maps. I knew there were other people who did that. Great video!

  • @FinalCodeKing
    @FinalCodeKing 2 года назад +10

    If you are looking for another island analog, I recommend diving into the relationship between endemic plants and the geology they are found on.
    A great example of this can be found in California. Serpentinite is a rock type with a lot of heavy metals and is nutrient poor. It only makes up ~1.5% of the available land, but it's harsh conditions have allowed more unique species to develop. Roughly 12% of all endemic plants in the state are specifically adapted to serpentinite, and they usually have some interesting features to deal with the geological challenges.
    It would also be interesting to hear how this plays into the larger, local ecosystem (since the animals who interact with these plants may not be as directly impacted by the geology).

    • @aaronmarks9366
      @aaronmarks9366 2 года назад

      That's a really awesome topic, I'd never heard about that before

    • @mbvoelker8448
      @mbvoelker8448 2 года назад

      Yes, this would be cool to learn about.

    • @AaronOfMpls
      @AaronOfMpls 2 года назад

      I'd be curious to see which animals spread these plants' seeds.

  • @OrangeTacoPlane
    @OrangeTacoPlane 2 года назад

    I love island geography and I'm so glad you talk about it.

  • @amacuro
    @amacuro 2 года назад

    Very interesting topic, thank you for making a really watchable video about it!

  • @Celis.C
    @Celis.C 2 года назад +5

    Your enthusiasm is truly contagious, I had a great watch!
    This makes me curious about caves and underground systems. Probably the most well-known example of evolution in them is fish growing blind. Do you think there are other kinds of evolutionary niches to be found in caverns? Like, subterranean islands?

  • @Maddog00427
    @Maddog00427 2 года назад +6

    Love the videos. Thank you.
    There might be a video for you off the South West coast of New Zealand. The Lobsters down there are massive and in abundance. I think I read somewhere that the reasons behind this have everything to do with the ocean currents and NZ being on the edge of the "Ring of fire"
    I could be way off as I know very little about this, but I would love for you to do some videos about the unique oceans in the Southern Hemisphere.
    Thanks again for the videos. I think I have seen every one of them by now.

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 2 года назад +1

      That is interesting. At the same latitude lives the Tasmaian giant freshwater crayfish which grow up to 80 cm long. Not surprisingly they are the biggest (and scariest) freshwater invertibrate in the world.

  • @smallgalaxy7509
    @smallgalaxy7509 2 года назад

    I enjoy your island videos, but I also enjoy your other videos. The thing that sets your videos apart is the quality. Anyway, keep having fun and I will keep watching.

  • @denisewhitlow7493
    @denisewhitlow7493 2 года назад

    Such great content! Thank you! Subscribed.

  • @sofconmac5299
    @sofconmac5299 2 года назад +7

    This was truly a wonderfull video!
    About islands in the sky formed by mountains with tropical surroundings, there is the beatiful example of the tepui mountains in Venezuela (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepui) the fauna is scarse and only include a few batracian if I remember well, but the flaura is astonishing, each tepui harboring a fully different flora. These mountains also are perhaps the oldest in the world. The rock itself is precambrian and it is a very hard type of sandstone/quartzite, plus these mountains never experienced frost, so they have been mountains for much longer than any other on earth.

  • @CMZneu
    @CMZneu 2 года назад +7

    Great video! There is also something cool going on with the evolution of cichlids in lake malawi.

    • @aaronmarks9366
      @aaronmarks9366 2 года назад +1

      I thought he was going to mention the Cichlids in this video, but maybe he'll do a future video on them

  • @Thomas83KO
    @Thomas83KO 2 года назад

    Thank you for your great video!
    I was wondering if you also will talk about the unique environment of the flat top mountains in the Amazon?!
    Anyhow, really doesn't matter, you put a great amount of time in your research and I do really appreciate your work and your videos! Thanks again!

  • @bertrandmarion1927
    @bertrandmarion1927 Год назад

    that was interesting and I enjoyed watching it
    that is some good content , please keep up the good work !