How Filoni's War Between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant Will Be Unique

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  • @michaelkaduck1915
    @michaelkaduck1915 Год назад +77

    I predict that Thrawn will be finally killed by someone working for the First Order. They were already forming in secret by this time, with Moff Gideon requesting Praetorian Guards from Brendol Hux.
    I can imagine him being close to victory, and Snoke or Sidious sends someone to deliberately have Thrawn lose so that the First Order could truly conquer the galaxy with a weakened New Republic.

    • @dani4ever
      @dani4ever Год назад +2

      Is Thrawn part of the contigency plan? Unless he is, and even if he is, I don't think Sidious would let Thrawn establish control while he is on the side. Unless Sidious was able to be on top of him and control him, he had to get rid of him.

    • @ryankwon8785
      @ryankwon8785 Год назад +3

      @@dani4ever Thrawn is not part of the contingency, but Sloane could meet Thrawn and talk about it. They are the only two leaders who are against Sidious' total dominance over the contingency.

    • @dashbolt101s
      @dashbolt101s Год назад +6

      More than just a final betrayal - we could very well see a conflict within the Imperial Remnants, a war between Palpatine loyalists (Hux, etc.) and Thrawn loyalits. If Thrawn learns about project necromancer, I highly doubt he will let it happen. An Empire led by Palpatine with an army of sith clones doesn't sound like the best "ally" to the Chiss anymore.
      Thrawn can't just be another pawn used as a diversion to give Hux enough time to finish project necromancer. He has the opportunity to become the leader of the Empire and we know from the novels that he wanted Palpatine reign to end so that he could influence the choice of a new and better leader, or become the leader himself.

    • @nuclearsimian3281
      @nuclearsimian3281 Год назад +2

      If that happens, I'm permanently done with this franchise. The sequels will never be good. You cannot turn that dumpster fire into entertainment, where woman randomly stands on correct rock and pulls out 93,000 year old knife found in desert, with doodad that lines up perfectly with less than forty year old twisted metal in an ocean with wild currents and gigantic storms on the regular.
      If Hux saw that Thrawn was winning regularly and ordered a hit on him, Hux is literally the stupidest character in all of fiction.

    • @agathisrobusta
      @agathisrobusta Год назад +1

      @@nuclearsimian3281 Permanently shmermanently

  • @TheLiamster
    @TheLiamster Год назад +23

    I just hope we get some massive space and land battles. I want to see a fleet of star destroyers against a fleet New Republic cruisers or an invasion by AT-ATs and divisions of stormtroopers

  • @lucasbosier6808
    @lucasbosier6808 Год назад +26

    I love that Dave said he didn’t want it to be the same as the empire vs the rebellion except this time they’re blue, I think he’s gonna set up an interesting dynamic where the empire has to be smart with where they will strike and the new republic will either not respond due to politics or if they can respond it’ll either be too late or end in a devastating retreat. Plus it feels good knowing that we aren’t gonna get the same conflict the 3rd time in a row.

  • @mattdawg83686
    @mattdawg83686 Год назад +25

    I love how they’re taking established concepts and playing with them in a different way to make them fresh again.

  • @seanknowsbest2802
    @seanknowsbest2802 Год назад +13

    I’m so excited for this! I’d love to see a little more higher stakes, but either way it’s going to be so cool. I can’t wait to geek out over more ships and characters.

  • @mikemodugno5879
    @mikemodugno5879 Год назад +2

    7,8, and 9 seemed to suffered from the directors' desire to look like the originals in a way that 1,2,3, and Clone Wars did not. Thank you Mr. Filoni for identifying this issue. I do hope to see Thrawn, The imperial remnants, and the New Republic duke it out.

  • @scifiguy9000
    @scifiguy9000 Год назад +20

    If the Grysk (or Vong but I personally think the Grysk) does pop-up, I personally think it'll happen during Rey and her friend's time post episode IX.

    • @michaelkaduck1915
      @michaelkaduck1915 Год назад +4

      Yeah I would hope they would bring the Vong or the Grysk into the Post-Episode 9 Era. It adds much more stakes for the galaxy.

    • @mill2712
      @mill2712 Год назад +2

      ​@@michaelkaduck1915
      Especially with the new republic going up in -Snoke- smoke.

  • @GameTavern2224
    @GameTavern2224 Год назад +19

    I know the lore reasons why this wish of mine might not happen but i really want the new republic to develop some new fighting vehicles. More on the infantry side. I know new republic is already shrinking their military but its just a wish. Frankly i feel whatever comes out ill be impressed

    • @KrypticElement
      @KrypticElement Год назад +2

      I get what you're saying. We did see the Republic developed new cruisers by the time of the Ahsoka series. There's also Starfighter advances with the T-70/T-85 X-Wings, RZ-2 A-Wings, E-Wings, and the B-Wing in TROS, so I don't think it's too out there to expect technological advancements even with a peacetime era government

    • @weppon5266
      @weppon5266 Год назад +2

      Well they did just create the Starhawk ship, so I’d imagine we’d see that

    • @GameTavern2224
      @GameTavern2224 Год назад +1

      @@weppon5266 would have thought those were already retired

    • @GameTavern2224
      @GameTavern2224 Год назад

      @@KrypticElement a hope for the best but plan for the worse kinda deal. I just would like to see the more ground forces side of things develop for the new republic. I admit that's one of my fav aspects from the prequels

    • @splatoonistproductions5345
      @splatoonistproductions5345 Год назад +1

      @@GameTavern2224personally I don’t think they are, since leia and Poe mentioned them in the last Jedi novelisation they must have been built in extremely limited numbers. Probably totalling at less than 20 at most, and those would have been upgraded over the years with advancements in tech as well as general maintenance allowing for longer service periods.

  • @BIGBMH
    @BIGBMH Год назад +1

    My hope for this is arc is that it feels like a satisfying culmination/finale/jumping off point for those who want that while providing a subtle ST backstory for those who want that. There are 30 years between the OT and ST. The first 15 can be focused on the aftermath of the OT era without doing a ton of obvious setup for what comes later. I think the biggest challenge is how to handle the OT ensemble here. It'd feel odd for them to all just be offscreen during such a major conflict.

  • @JBTriple8
    @JBTriple8 Год назад +1

    I do hope to see an Epic Naval with Hera and Carson against The Chimaera like Rogue One still

  • @mitwhitgaming7722
    @mitwhitgaming7722 Год назад +9

    I'm honestly kinna suprised we haven't seen more of the Noghri in canon yet.

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +2

      Well they killed off Rukh a legends character so others could come back but I think they did that so they don't have to worry about bringing Luke or Leia back.

    • @DanielDaniel-wk1up
      @DanielDaniel-wk1up Год назад

      Too hard to approach them live action with tv budget

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +2

      @@DanielDaniel-wk1up The amount they spend on the shows is public and budget wouldn't be the problem.

    • @nick_pappagiorgio
      @nick_pappagiorgio Год назад

      @@DanielDaniel-wk1up Disney spent 3 times more to make The Marvels film than HBO spent to make the entire Band of Brothers series including building entire practical towns to blow up.

    • @comicop2513
      @comicop2513 Год назад

      ​@DanielDaniel-wk1up Bruh, they have the most dead-ass basic design 💀. Budget is not an issue, they're just a boring race.

  • @EightThreeEight
    @EightThreeEight Год назад +129

    Whatever happens, some people will complain that it's not following the original Thrawn trilogy to a T.

    • @GameTavern2224
      @GameTavern2224 Год назад +11

      That's a truth

    • @jameslauder3984
      @jameslauder3984 Год назад +13

      Some people will complain because this show was simply awful.

    • @saviorselfX29
      @saviorselfX29 Год назад +13

      I mean, it literally can’t follow it to a T. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Anyone who doesn’t go in knowing that is delusional.

    • @GameTavern2224
      @GameTavern2224 Год назад +15

      @@saviorselfX29 luckily some folks are flexible. One example I see is my dad who's a huge legends guy but also enjoys shows like Mando and Ahsoka

    • @GameTavern2224
      @GameTavern2224 Год назад +3

      @cyberpup2246 wish I could guide you a high five

  • @newsboyify
    @newsboyify Год назад +3

    Hope they have the 5th fleet for the New Republic

  • @derekmak1781
    @derekmak1781 Год назад +12

    I think the New Republic will be gradually weakened by Thrawn’s Remnant to the point where its naval defenses are so damaged that the New Repubkic has to rely on the Ghost crew to defeat Thrawn. That could explain why the New Republic was so focused on not provoking the First Order and obviously they didn’t realize that the First Order didn’t care and wanted to blow them up with their Starkiller Base. Also, it’d be nice to see the good guys on the losing side and that’d make it even more interesting.

  • @DanielDaniel-wk1up
    @DanielDaniel-wk1up Год назад +5

    Thrawn said something in Ahsoka about bringing order back to the galaxy. I think he would try winning by turning the New Republic back into the Empire by using the Dathomirians or the Mandalorias the same way the CIA used the Talibans against the USSR in Afganistan during the 70s-80s. Filoni is paving the path to make the First Order an integrated part of the Galaxy as they were in Bloodline or Resistance

  • @muhammadhabibieamiro3639
    @muhammadhabibieamiro3639 Год назад +5

    This is very interesting can not wait for what to come

  • @CaptainForsyth
    @CaptainForsyth 11 месяцев назад

    we also have to take into account that Remnant will most likely be the underdogs this time, I doubt they have a large fleet even if they combine their numbers. It will be outmatched and outgunned, So it will be interesting to see how it will play out.

  • @thesharpercoder
    @thesharpercoder Год назад

    If the Mandoverse War is being modeled after Timothy’s Zahn’s trilogy, then I suspect those containers retrieved from Peridea could be similar to “that other piece of technology” that Thrawn had retrieved from Mt Tantiss.
    Begun, The Thrawn War has.

  • @DreadfulUtopia
    @DreadfulUtopia 6 месяцев назад

    I'd like to learn more about Thrawn. Where's the best place to start?

  • @VogtTD
    @VogtTD Год назад +1

    Mandalore VS the remnant

  • @splatoonistproductions5345
    @splatoonistproductions5345 Год назад

    I do hope we see at least one big space battle similar to the battle of coruscant, just ships slugging it out while the main crew try to beat thrawn. Prolly won’t be the same scale but having a similar amount of ships flying about and slugging each other would be awesome.

  • @TigerShady
    @TigerShady Год назад

    I still think there's room for Abeloth. An entity like that leaves room for a retreat for Thrawn back to Chiss Ascendancy with Ashoka in pursuit. This removes all those players from the sequels and leaves room from them to return post First Order, now that the New Republic has poked their noses into the Unknown Regions at Exegol. This could time they reveal the Grysks, maybe with a Thrawn face-turn?

  • @DerrickGoldsmith
    @DerrickGoldsmith Год назад

    Yuzhan Vong

  • @mightheal
    @mightheal Год назад +8

    Don't forget about the Mandalorians they'll want revenge for the destruction of Mandalore.

  • @theboredkid3620
    @theboredkid3620 Год назад

    I think they’ll keep the Noghri and the Nightsisters separate. Rukh was already introduced in Rebels, so we’ve established that the Noghri exist in the Canon universe. He’ll probably substitute another character for Leia, since using her is still a dubious possibility. Perhaps Ezra or another force user can fulfill the same role, they would simply need to modify the history from Legends to fit whichever character they substitute in.

  • @felipecampos67
    @felipecampos67 Год назад

    Cool t-shirt

  • @kirtmanwaring3629
    @kirtmanwaring3629 Год назад

    Let’s not forget Shin and whatever Balon’s up to. Even if Balon doesn’t come back I bet that thread has something to do with the unique parts.

  • @cernstormrunner7263
    @cernstormrunner7263 Год назад

    I remember when the Sequels were coming out thinking that the First Order would operate more like a terrorist organization, kind of like COBRA from GIJoe. I could see Thrawn running a guerilla war against the Republic.
    Hell they are already setting up that the Republic government is almost all out denying that Thrawn is even a threat, the way they did the Yuuzhan Vong in the NJO books at the beginning.

  • @neofulcrum5013
    @neofulcrum5013 Год назад

    Hopefully the new republic will get to fight some battles this time

  • @HermanoBatmano
    @HermanoBatmano Год назад

    Q&A: So is Kal Cestus the SW Canon Kyle Katarn, or nah?

  • @TheNinjaBees
    @TheNinjaBees Год назад +1

    Triclops or we riot

  • @ryankwon8785
    @ryankwon8785 Год назад

    In the Canon storyline, the Empire strategically feigned defeat against the New Republic, orchestrating a plan to reunite and gradually reclaim power and influence. Palpatine's contingency, executed by Galius Rax and later Grand Admiral Sloane, played a pivotal role in this scheme. This manipulation ultimately gave rise to the First Order, and the Empire utilized its influence to exploit the failures of the New Republic, swaying worlds to align with the First Order. Pretty much Game of Thrones but executed poorly because of sequels.
    I hope Filoni delves deeply into the origins of the First Order, exploring characters like Thrawn, Sloane, Brendol Hux, and others. It wouldn't be surprising if the First Order becomes divided between Snoke and Sloane loyalists, prompting Thrawn to persuade the Chiss to assist the Sloane faction in concealing and rebuilding, eventually leading to the formation of the canonical version of the Fel Empire.
    Contrastingly, in the Legends storyline, the Empire engaged in a prolonged conflict with the New Republic for many years, led by figures such as Thrawn, Sidious, and other warlords. This narrative culminated in the transformation of the Empire into the Fel Empire, which, in the speaker's opinion, represented a more satisfying and improved version of the Empire. I personally prefer the Legends storyline due to the compelling build-up toward the reformation into the Fel Empire, which portrayed the emergence of a superior Empire. However, Legends did have problems with Palpatine's return like what canon did, and some retcons here are there, but nonetheless a well-executed storyline than canon.

  • @darthwick7917
    @darthwick7917 Год назад

    What if Thrawn has lost his way so much that he teams up with the Yuuzhong Vong, and the Chiss Ascendancy comes in to kill him and brand him a traitor? Seems unlikely but that's what came to my mind

  • @alexpintea
    @alexpintea Год назад +1

    Baylan Skoll is Dave Filoni directly speaking to us

  • @AbjectPermanence
    @AbjectPermanence Год назад

    I hope the witches resurrect Maul, and he can play the role of insane Force user in this "Heir to the Empire" story.

  • @gregjaeger13
    @gregjaeger13 Год назад +1

    In my honest opinion after watching Ahsoka i feel this movie is gonna be a remember me/ zombie fest.

  • @Star_Wars_With_PercyMan
    @Star_Wars_With_PercyMan Год назад +2

    Luke and Ezra will meet for the first time, if we don’t get a Luke redemption arc going forward I will be very confused and angry.

  • @StuartLugsden
    @StuartLugsden Год назад +7

    I just hope they address the Grysk/Yuuzhan Vong at some point.

  • @jackmorelli5638
    @jackmorelli5638 Год назад +1

    Zombies

  • @MoldyDogUnlimited
    @MoldyDogUnlimited Год назад

    One of the best parts of the Sequels was the First Order being the reinterpretation of a fallen empire. Wha'ts with the Sequel stabs lately?

  • @DarthRelkew
    @DarthRelkew Год назад +5

    Can we please stop calling it the Mandoverse. It is still part of the main story just in a different era

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +6

      It's just branding for a specific story arc it's nothing to get bent over shape over.

    • @gbozzi05_
      @gbozzi05_ Год назад

      Lucasfilm just calls it The New Republic Era, idk why people insist on "Mandoverse".

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +3

      @@gbozzi05_ No that's the time period not the story arc. The New Republic era applies to everything from comics, novel, games etc.
      Lucasfilm has been doing a poor job of marketing what Dave and Jon are doing as a big single project other than interviews, marketing has been treating everything as a separate project not connected to anything.

    • @comicop2513
      @comicop2513 Год назад

      Cope

  • @Narco42
    @Narco42 Год назад +1

    If Filoni doesn't erase the disney trilogy then he is nothing more than Folly.

  • @enderlain385
    @enderlain385 Год назад +2

    They don't have intelligent writers so they'll have a parody of what a supposedly intelligent commander does. We saw Ahsoka, and we can divide the fans based on that

  • @YayoHernandez-b1j
    @YayoHernandez-b1j Год назад +1

    Yes it will with the Jedi vos Luke windu and many more to come

  • @personalgoogleaccount9694
    @personalgoogleaccount9694 Год назад +1

    Whatever happens will only make the FO even more redundant and irrelevant

  • @Rohnon
    @Rohnon Год назад

    How can you get your hopes up?

  • @nodatastored684
    @nodatastored684 Год назад +1

    Actually,this needs to be a series to progress star wars but they will never listen and do the right thing

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +1

      Huh it is a series it will only culminates into a movie.

  • @joe.81
    @joe.81 Год назад +1

    Um so no and how good could the "Courtship of Princess Leia " be as what should have been episode 7? I mean Ben was Luke's kid and what about Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. And if you add Luke's struggle with the dark side and Leia bringing him back um that is 5 or 6 movies and way better than this Disney stuff. The only reason they changed the direction is because they didn't want to pay authors of the EU books and they wanted to use Chewbacca in the fiction they created. But at 25y after Endor we should be at the beginning of the New Jedi Order and that is an Epic with more than 20 books and Grey jedi and...

  • @lukebranwen7397
    @lukebranwen7397 Год назад +5

    I really hate to be negative, but IMO Filoni absolutely butchered Thrawn in Ahsoka. Thrawn should be with the Ascendancy to fight the Grysk, not with the Empire to fight the New Republic. I'm fairly sure Filoni didn't even bother reading the six Ascendancy books; either that, or he decided to ignore them completely, and idk which is worse.

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +9

      He didn't butcher him they just didn't reveal all the context.

  • @moffjendob6796
    @moffjendob6796 Год назад

    So basically... the Heroes of Yavin--who fought Thrawn in the EU--are going to be off playing with themselves or perhaps "Nightsister Magick" will entrap them... so then Ahsoka, Ezra, Sabine, and God help us maybe even a geriatric Rex can save the day. The Mandalorians will be in there too, probably for some cavalry rescue scene. Because it's all about those producer OC pets - Rey for the movies, and the Sacred Orange for the Filoni stuff.

    • @alexsoto3030
      @alexsoto3030 Год назад

      I actually think there’s a very interesting possible luke Skywalker arc in here somewhere! In the thrawn trilogy we see Luke struggling in a very human way with the reality of being a relatively self taught Jedi master, and the pressures of being a teacher- the seeds for this were planted in the book of boba fett in his conversation with ahsoka! I think it could be so amazing to see that prime luke struggling with this idea that he’s supposed to be this great Jedi and teacher- but he doesn’t understand how. We still have five years presumably until he takes on ben solo, so if he takes on this conflict, then by the end of things he could feel that mounting pressure reaching a fever pitch, ending the era by committing himself to his legend and his responsibility to train more Jedi to keep the peace in the galaxy.
      This sets him up beautifully to spend the next decade and a half traveling the galaxy with Ben solo and searching for jedi artifacts and lore- building his order. But it also makes his conflict in the sequels more understandable. During this war with the remnant, luke of already under the crushing weight of responsibility to teach, but doesn’t know how. His true peak is accepting that he’s going to have to become a teacher- and then when he loses Ben solo, all of those old fears come back and he feels as though he’s proved himself right

  • @jameslauder3984
    @jameslauder3984 Год назад +6

    I’m done with Filoni and Disney Star Wars. It just gets worse and worse. I’ll stick with the originals and Clone Wars. Filoni has turned into a washed up hack. Ahsoka was absolutely abysmal. Almost like he intentionally wanted it to be bad.

    • @weppon5266
      @weppon5266 Год назад +14

      Okay dude 👍 you do that while we enjoy this

    • @StuartLugsden
      @StuartLugsden Год назад +14

      And yet here you. Also Clone Wars was made by Dave.

    • @jameslauder3984
      @jameslauder3984 Год назад +2

      @@StuartLugsden yes, which is why it was so disappointing. The Clone Wars was awesome and Dave did a terrific job on it. Ahsoka was profoundly awful. If you liked it great. I and a lot of other Star Wars fans were immensely let down by this show.

    • @samuelketner1391
      @samuelketner1391 Год назад +3

      Ngl I thoroughly enjoyed Ahsoka.
      The only live action star wars show I had enjoyed, or even thought was good, since mando s2

    • @mightheal
      @mightheal Год назад +4

      @@jameslauder3984 Ahsoka was not awful it has bad parts just like the Clone Wars does but you refuse to do the same thing with Clone Wars to Ahsoka by ignoring the bad parts of Ahsoka.