Me as well. A nice reminder that it's pretty easy to throw your opinions around and claim to be compassionate when you've lived a life of wealth and luxury all your life.
@@matthewreichlin4993Well…we could also say that it is easy for one to claim to be “rational”, “unemotional” and “resilient” when one is talented, and comfortable enough to not have gone through emotional challenges or traumas in life.
@@wengkenmak3626 people who haven't gone thru challenges in life are not considered unemotional and resilient. Usually, people who had affluent upbringings are rather soft.
She is portraying a conservative character fairly accurately in terms of conservative ideology (capitalism, self reliance, anti-woke), Hollywood isnt crazy to reward that role.
The way this version of Margaret asserts herself is so subtle yet powerful. She revealed she’s older by 6months which can almost be a suggestive leading to her being more experienced if not at all more capable than the queen however she keeps her banter more respectful despite her dominating the conversation. There’s a lot of powerful body language here.
Was she really older? QE asked which was the senior. Thatcher’s response was “I am…..now”. This implies she is chronically the queen’s junior, but politically her senior since becoming PM.
@@57_Triumphshe said: “I am, ma’am.”, not now. Margret thatcher was born on October 13, 1925. While The Queen was born on April 21, 1926. Thatcher was, indeed, the Queen’s senior by six months.
I'm very embarrassed to say that I had no idea Gillian Anderson could act this good. She absolutely steals the room and Colman is no girl scout when it comes to acting. I sort of wish it was Helen Mirren in the role of Elizabeth II here, just to see her digest the ice coming from Thatcher. Amazing performance.
@BlackBarney I don't think X Files gave Ms. Anderson much room to demonstrate her abilities. Also; we seem to all agree here. She did a great job which means the way you do Maggie is to be a bitch. I remember those days. Trump is detestable but not half as detestable as Maggie.
@@BlackBarney, Anderson is actually better in this role. Shows these actresses that gripe there are "no good roles out there." There are good roles. For talented actors.
@@Kwippyyou're repeating again and again the same under many comments which suggests that there must be about something else rather than her acting skills in this particular portrait
Gillian Anderson does a much better job of portraying Magareth Thatcher than the more illustrious Meryl Streep. The real Thatcher was feared by everyone around her, and with good reason.
Meryl Streep is a far left political activist, she didnt think much of Thatcher as a leader or politician, neither did the movie makers. It showed in her acting.
@@sheehan92 Clearly it didnt show in her acting, considering that she was critically acclaimed for her portrayal of Thatcher and nominated for an oscar for best actress.
Anderson was good in this role and deserved the win, but she was hardly the best one to play Margaret Thatcher… Her performance showed no growth in the entire season, as in she seemed frail and grumpy in the entire decade of her tenure… Meryl Streep captured Thatcher perfectly as she gradually aged in the movie…
Her portrayal of the real Margaret Thatcher wasn’t accurate at all. It was a backhanded characterization that does nothing but smear her legacy. The real Misses Thatcher wasn’t anywhere near that cold blooded and wooden. RUclips is full of the real person and she is the antithesis of this portrayal.
Her posture during her curtsy projected strength and set the tone for this scene; it was a bit intimidating. She had no fear of the queen. She saw them, in that moment, as equals. What a scene!
@@addarsulawal lol🤣🤣🤣 The Falklands Conflict did not involve a declaration of war. Argentina made a, cowardly, unprovoked attack on the Falkland Islands, without war declaration. Britain engaged in a purely police action to expel the invaders. Britain did not attack Argentina at any point.
@@addarsulawal conflict is different from state of war, On 2 April, Argentina invaded and occupied the British dependent territory of the Falkland Islands, and they took the neighbouring island of South Georgia the following day. However, neither Britain nor Argentina declared a state of war at any point, meaning the conflict remained, officially, an 'undeclared war'.
I know we all imagine Claire Foy as Elizabeth in the role of the Queen, but Olivia Colman knocked it out of the park in portraying an Elizabeth in her prime. You can see how comfortable she is in the role as Queen, but she also captures the continuing uncertainty that Elizabeth felt as a person, an uncertainty that we all experience.
I think there are many women we can imagine as the Queen. Helen Mirren being the most obvious outside The Crown. Jeanette Charles didn’t do that much acting but boy was she the perfect doppelgänger. She’s terrific in the Naked Gun and European Vacation.
OceanHedgehog... No offense to the immensely talented Olivia Coleman but I still think they simply could have aged Claire Foy and Matt Smith instead. Any good makeup artist could have made that work.
Two actresses over the age of 40, not dressed in skin-tight costumes or sexually objectified in any way, and neither of whom are crying, screaming, or talking about the men in their lives, in a scene all by themselves... could we have more movies and TV shows of this nature?
Are you kidding? We don’t have any sex on television now. No glamour or romance. Everything is gritty, ugly, and depressing. Nothing is about love or passion or sex or glamour. I have to go to the 20th century for that. So not to worry. That being said, Gillian Anderson is a very beautiful woman. Very glamorous. And very talented. Both of these women are incredible.
@@ParadiseVids Watch pop music videos of today and compare them to pop music videos of the 80s and 90s. It's gone from people singing into a camera to soft core porn. That's where your sex is.
Olivia Coleman is absolutely an amazing actress and in this scene she certainly drives that home. However, Gillian Anderson’s performance blew me away! Fantastic acting by both!
This is by far the best scene I ever watched in my entire life and believe you me, I have watched thousands of them. Exceptional acting from both actresses. Very well done!
I have great admiration for both the players in this scene, in my humble opinion this was performed on a par with the greatest Hollywood performances of Katherine Hepburn and Bette Davis. Olivia Coleman, even though she is playing The Queen, thankfully has the security in herself to allow Gillian Anderson to, rightly so, run through this entire scene with a bayonet. There has been few occasions in all the time I have been in an audience where I have found the acting as exciting and as virtuosic as what Gillian Anderson gave us in her time as Margaret Thatcher.
Wow, what an actress. Now I'll admit her accent was more in the spirit of Thatcher a lot of the time, but she nailed the pronounciation of 'money' and the pacing of Thatcher perfectly and delivered that line so well.
Me, too, I don't have a father who could bequeath me a title or a commonwealth. But from him I learned about hard work, discipline and the ability to achieve any dream his son could dream.
As amazing and spot on Gillian's portrayal is of Thatcher, there is a flaw. You can tell Gillian has studied many tapes of Margaret Thatcher to get down the voice and mannerisms, but she has studied too much of and sounds like Thatcher talking in parliament or on a podium to a crowd, and not in a one on one conversation manner. She does not sound like she is talking directly to the Queen, but in a room full of people where there are no people.
Anderson was good in this role, but she was hardly the best one to play Margaret Thatcher… Her performance showed no growth in the entire season, as in she seemed frail and grumpy in the entire decade of her tenure… Meryl Streep captured Thatcher perfectly as she gradually aged in the movie…
The woman was a robot. It seems plausable she would speak like this in private as well - especially considering the mutual distain the queen and thatcher had for one another.
Of all the portrayals I've seen of Mrs. Thatcher, this one by Gillian Anderson captures her essence the best. With an honorable mention to Andrea Riseborough in The Long Walk to Finchley.
@@splinterbyrd Ms. Streep is a great actress and did a superb performance, especially with Mrs. Thatcher's accent. However, the other two actresses did a more authentic rendition of their subject.
Anderson was good in this role, but she was hardly the best one to play Margaret Thatcher… Her performance showed no growth in the entire season as the character aged, she seemed frail and grumpy in the entire decade of her tenure… Meryl Streep captured Thatcher perfectly as she gradually aged in the movie… Also, I feel Colman as Queen Elizabeth was better in this scene than Anderson as Thatcher…
It is wholly implausible and almost none of it would actually have happened. The Queen would never speak to, or be spoken to by, her PM like that. Utter nonsense.
You weren't in a room with any of them, nor has any private conversation been made public. So it is very likely a conversation of this nature actually did happen.@@garymitchell5899
This is a captivating and VERY entertaining scene. I'm EXTREMELY curious to know just how accurate and close to reality this dialogue is to what actually occurred. Fantastic!!
There is no reality to the 'personal' scenes in The Crown whatsoever. You must understand that no British Prime minister, or any Minister of the U.K. government, would EVER reveal any details of a conversation with the Monarch. It is simply inconceivable that it would happen. Well, let me rephrase that, if it did happen then nobody would dare to report it because they would not be able to substantiate it and it would destroy the credibility of the publisher.
Truth and accuracy are two different things. Even if it’s a conversation that didn’t take place, it’s one that could - or might - have taken place. When The Crown isn’t devolving into Fantasyland (remember, it’s suggested by historical events, but veers tremendously for the sake of entertainment) it’s quite insightful into how people felt, in the same way Shakespeare’s histories are about real events but he was more concerned with telling an interesting story to entertain than fidelity to historical accuracy. That’s why I still admire The Crown despite some of its historical shortcomings.
Not very close. Mrs. Thatcher was very deferential towards the Queen and would never have been so harsh with her. In fact, the Queen complained that Mrs. Thatcher was too deferential. It was common for the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh to have guests to Balmoral for picnic lunch. At such lunches, the Royal Family would serve the guests. Mrs. Thatcher could not bring herself to be served by the Queen and was so openly uncomfortable with it that the Queen was slightly annoyed by it. There is no way that Mrs. Thatcher would have ever raised her voice to the Queen in this manner.
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You know she did spend many years in the UK growing up. She's not like this wide-eyed country girl never setting foot outside of small-town Nebraska (or the mamy many equivalents)
I don’t think so in that Mrs. Thatcher was too much in awe of the monarchy as an institution to be that confrontational toward the Queen. Some have said that she was even more of a monarchist than the Queen was.
@@reidycruise If I remember correctly, one quote after hearing the cost for Thatcher's state funeral was "For that much money they could buy everyone a shovel, and we'd dig a hole so deep you could hand her over to Satan personally"
@@petert2481 I'm Argentinian and here most people hate Tatcher for obvious reasons, but I'm bazzled to know Brits hate her. I know she was the Ma'm of Iron, but overall, she lifted Britain from a awry situation. So... why they hate her?
She was not afraid to tell Elizabeth the harsh reality of how far removed she actually is from "the one from a small street in an irrelevant town." She wasn't just talking about herself: she was talking about all those who came from where she was. This will come ahead with Diana after all and later when Castle Windsor burns.
The two went toe to toe in this scene. Gillian was amazing but Colman was right up there with her. Two peerless actresses at the absolute top of their game. What a treat to watch this was.
Wasn't necessary. The item you reference did not inform Thatcher's official policy. You are doing her a gross injustice in suggesting this, I'm afraid. The Queen, on the other hand, allowed her concern for her image among Commonwealth leaders to guide her position on this matter.
@robertbrown-qf8xy Which is right because she wasn't just the Queen of the UK but 15 other states. If you want to share a monarch with other countries, you gotta take them seriously
I remember the time when I couldn’t imagine GA anything but agent Scully, she played that so long and so well, even after the Fall, I was like yea, she was awesome here meeh she still scully to me. but this completely changed everything, she is magnificent, I love her very much. As for Thatcher, Im so jealous of her ability to argument, even with the boss, she never has a freeze response she always knows what to say and how to deliver it, that is such good ability to have in life
@@DarkFilmDirector Yes, but with a dash of British exposure added in during her life. I think the stoic Shakespearean influence influenced her making her a much better actor than most of her peers in America.
I wonder... is this one of, if not the most, high-level importance, most powerful meeting of all-fking-time, of two women in positions of authority ever in the history of "mankind"? I've seen this when it was first aired, and then on re-watch, but it now just occurs to me, probably after 3-4 watchings now, that this might have been the highest profile meeting of two women in power the world has ever known. If anyone has another occurrence of such a thing, please for the love of God, let me know. Now to the point... what performances between an unexpected casting (Gillian Anderson), and an expected, yet genius casting, of Olivia Coleman as the Queen... two EXTREMELY polarizing, if not the most polarized, women who ever existed. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. How do you even BEGIN to tackle that as a performer? How do you start to work your way into this kind of situation as an artist, let alone execute such exquisite choices in every tiny mannerism, pitch, look, pose.... just amazing to me.
Thatcher became too obsessive with power and even started to act like it was an entitlement for her personally. If she had to tear down her own allies in government, she would. I think it’s because of that, partly, that she was ousted from her position and rightfully so.
Oh yes she was totally useless, the fact she out lasted any other PM in the last 100 years seems to escape you. Yes she was eventually ousted as all PM are, but heavens above it was after a long long run. If you have ever held power, which I have in a limited way, the more decision you make the further you go, the more enemies you make, like a ship collects barnacles until it eventually stops moving. For every decision I ever took I had to way up the pros and cons, winners and losers, I would then make decision, the winners would think yes and so he should as I am right, the losers hated my guts and would never forget, so the more decisions the more hatred, it is the job. Thatcher did very well making it 12 years, a miracle really, especially with the unions on going hatred of her.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 No but you did say she was ousted from power because she thought it was an entitlement of hers personally, which is not the case. She was ousted because she had spent that much political capital she was losing popularity, that is why she was ousted, because her political enemies detected her weakness and moved on her. As Jim Hacker said, "loyalty in a cabinet minister is his fear of losing his job is slightly greater than his hope of getting mine" never a truer word spoken. She had been there too long was her greatest weakness, and there was nothing she could do to avoid that.
Labour bankrupted the country, she turned the country around. Probably the best PM we have had. I hated her at the time, I thought she was ruthless, just didn't appreciate what she did for the country, I just believed in the leftie Labour lies. Labour run up a £180B deficit in 2010, that caused lots of pain, but of course it was the Tories who had to inflict it on us, so they got the blame, again. Labour can't be trusted with the economy, they are morons. People forget how wilfully incompetent they are.
An example as of why Baroness Thatcher was called the "IRON LADY". She was able to deliver a clear and precise example of the real world and international politics to a woman that lived in a fantasy world! God bless Baroness Thatcher always!
iam from czech.. o gosh. i love this serial.... and in fact... gillian anderson - many times i saw this part... amazing performance, i compare with real thatcher.. and... great great actor attitude.
Brilliant acting. But there’s zero possibility that Thatcher ever spoke to the Queen in this manner, or that the Queen was ever so brusque with any Prime Minister. Lots of dramatic licence!
I think Thatcher was right to be upset about hearing the Queen's position in a newspaper... but.... but.... Elizabeth was also correct in asking the prime minister why she couldn't have supported her this one time on a matter that was obviously very important to her. Thatcher was stubborn and only interested in her own point of view. She never once considered that there are others. That's not the Hallmark of a good leader.
There is a difference in not supporting, and actively putting things out in newspapers. She could just stay out of it like she is supposed to, then she is not supporting anything.
What does being elected have to do with expressing an opinion? Poor Elizabeth. She was human and seeing abusive oppression bothered her to her core. Can't have that? I'm glad she showed us this side of her. And I'm glad Charles showed us his human side. Good for the both of them.
What an amazing scene. Mrs Gillian Anderson is trully an Superb Actress. What an Exquisite portrail of one of the Greatest Woman from Great Britain. PM. Mrs Margaret Thatcher. Loved it.
No matter what the situation, I seem to remember Thatcher ALWAYS dragged her father into it, and I don't ever remember her mentioning her mother, even once. Do you suppose she was born from her father's head, like Athena?
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Prefer her as Dana Scully.
❤
@@deadandburied7626 She's frighteningly good as Thatcher. Top flight acting.
The line "let us not forget that, of the two of us, I am the one from a small street in an irrelevant town" always struck me.
most neoliberals see themselves as underdogs
Me as well. A nice reminder that it's pretty easy to throw your opinions around and claim to be compassionate when you've lived a life of wealth and luxury all your life.
@@matthewreichlin4993Well…we could also say that it is easy for one to claim to be “rational”, “unemotional” and “resilient” when one is talented, and comfortable enough to not have gone through emotional challenges or traumas in life.
@@wengkenmak3626 true. But those claims are going to be looked on rather suspiciously by your average person
@@wengkenmak3626 people who haven't gone thru challenges in life are not considered unemotional and resilient. Usually, people who had affluent upbringings are rather soft.
I absolutely love this scene!!! Gillian Anderson deserved that Emmy for this role!
She deserves her own series 11 seasons
I totally agree with you ❤
Absolutely 👍
She won an Emmy for this role!
She is portraying a conservative character fairly accurately in terms of conservative ideology (capitalism, self reliance, anti-woke), Hollywood isnt crazy to reward that role.
The way this version of Margaret asserts herself is so subtle yet powerful. She revealed she’s older by 6months which can almost be a suggestive leading to her being more experienced if not at all more capable than the queen however she keeps her banter more respectful despite her dominating the conversation. There’s a lot of powerful body language here.
Exactly. You put it perfectly. It really is such a scene. Couldn't move my eyes away from it.
I don’t think she was being subtle at all.
Subtle, she didn't know the meaning of the word!
Was she really older?
QE asked which was the senior. Thatcher’s response was “I am…..now”. This implies she is chronically the queen’s junior, but politically her senior since becoming PM.
@@57_Triumphshe said: “I am, ma’am.”, not now. Margret thatcher was born on October 13, 1925. While The Queen was born on April 21, 1926. Thatcher was, indeed, the Queen’s senior by six months.
I'm very embarrassed to say that I had no idea Gillian Anderson could act this good. She absolutely steals the room and Colman is no girl scout when it comes to acting. I sort of wish it was Helen Mirren in the role of Elizabeth II here, just to see her digest the ice coming from Thatcher. Amazing performance.
She is far better than anyone who played Margaret Thatcher.
@@nicholasdickens2801 didnt Meryl Streep play the Iron Lady? I can’t imagine it being better than this. Soooooo good
@@BlackBarney She did, but @nicholasdickens2801 is right.
@BlackBarney I don't think X Files gave Ms. Anderson much room to demonstrate her abilities.
Also; we seem to all agree here. She did a great job which means the way you do Maggie is to be a bitch.
I remember those days. Trump is detestable but not half as detestable as Maggie.
@@BlackBarney, Anderson is actually better in this role. Shows these actresses that gripe there are "no good roles out there." There are good roles. For talented actors.
Gillian Anderson was beyond amazing. I was blown away at her acting job.
she is too stiff in my opinion. Meryl Streep was the better Thatcher
I'm honestly a big fan of Gillian Anderson, but her portrayal of Thatcher really is the worst thing she's ever done.
@@Kwippymost of the comment section doesn’t agree with you.
@@gaguy1967she still did a remarkable job.
@@Kwippyyou're repeating again and again the same under many comments which suggests that there must be about something else rather than her acting skills in this particular portrait
Gillian Anderson WON the Emmy, Golden Globe and SAG awards with this speech. So brilliant
Gillian Anderson does a much better job of portraying Magareth Thatcher than the more illustrious Meryl Streep. The real Thatcher was feared by everyone around her, and with good reason.
Well said. Streep didn't do justice to Thatcher whereas Andersen did.
@@warrennicholsony.fernando4513 Well Streep portrayed Thatcher after she had become mentally incapacitated
@@sgabig That's why I said Streep didn't do justice in her portrayal.
Meryl Streep is a far left political activist, she didnt think much of Thatcher as a leader or politician, neither did the movie makers. It showed in her acting.
@@sheehan92 Clearly it didnt show in her acting, considering that she was critically acclaimed for her portrayal of Thatcher and nominated for an oscar for best actress.
This whole scene is epic. The acting, the body language, the subtle admonishings, all of it just astounding
Gillian Anderson's portrayal of Maggie Thatcher was so frighteningly aacurate it gave me shivers.
Streep did it better.
How would you know
Anderson was good in this role and deserved the win, but she was hardly the best one to play Margaret Thatcher… Her performance showed no growth in the entire season, as in she seemed frail and grumpy in the entire decade of her tenure… Meryl Streep captured Thatcher perfectly as she gradually aged in the movie…
Her portrayal of the real Margaret Thatcher wasn’t accurate at all. It was a backhanded characterization that does nothing but smear her legacy. The real Misses Thatcher wasn’t anywhere near that cold blooded and wooden. RUclips is full of the real person and she is the antithesis of this portrayal.
@@artconsciousness - Show me the evidence.
Her posture during her curtsy projected strength and set the tone for this scene; it was a bit intimidating. She had no fear of the queen. She saw them, in that moment, as equals. What a scene!
Lol😅😅😅 as equal to the Queen? Do you really think Thatcher can wage a war against Argentina with out the approval of the Monarch?
lol she in fact did
@@himbisaquatics
@@addarsulawal lol🤣🤣🤣 The Falklands Conflict did not involve a declaration of war. Argentina made a, cowardly, unprovoked attack on the Falkland Islands, without war declaration. Britain engaged in a purely police action to expel the invaders.
Britain did not attack Argentina at any point.
lol. substance over form, my man. will you tell me that sinking the Belgrano was not an act of war?@@himbisaquatics
@@addarsulawal conflict is different from state of war, On 2 April, Argentina invaded and occupied the British dependent territory of the Falkland Islands, and they took the neighbouring island of South Georgia the following day. However, neither Britain nor Argentina declared a state of war at any point, meaning the conflict remained, officially, an 'undeclared war'.
I know we all imagine Claire Foy as Elizabeth in the role of the Queen, but Olivia Colman knocked it out of the park in portraying an Elizabeth in her prime. You can see how comfortable she is in the role as Queen, but she also captures the continuing uncertainty that Elizabeth felt as a person, an uncertainty that we all experience.
I think there are many women we can imagine as the Queen. Helen Mirren being the most obvious outside The Crown. Jeanette Charles didn’t do that much acting but boy was she the perfect doppelgänger. She’s terrific in the Naked Gun and European Vacation.
They were both awesome
OceanHedgehog... No offense to the immensely talented Olivia Coleman but I still think they simply could have aged Claire Foy and Matt Smith instead. Any good makeup artist could have made that work.
I’ve met Mrs Thatcher. She was my MP. When she was around you could feel her sense of authority like a physical force around her.
calm down garry son
I'm sorry you had to endure that kind of evil in your presence.
I wish more leaders today could give that sense of authority. Joe Biden is the radical opposite of authority.
@@DominicNJ73😂😂😂
Two actresses over the age of 40, not dressed in skin-tight costumes or sexually objectified in any way, and neither of whom are crying, screaming, or talking about the men in their lives, in a scene all by themselves... could we have more movies and TV shows of this nature?
What the hell are you talking about? It is the queen and Margaret thatcher, not the freaking Kardashians.
Yes, we could if someone was brave enough to write it, if someone was brave enough to commission it, and if it was so good people clamoured for more.
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Are you kidding? We don’t have any sex on television now. No glamour or romance. Everything is gritty, ugly, and depressing. Nothing is about love or passion or sex or glamour. I have to go to the 20th century for that. So not to worry.
That being said, Gillian Anderson is a very beautiful woman. Very glamorous. And very talented. Both of these women are incredible.
@@ParadiseVids Watch pop music videos of today and compare them to pop music videos of the 80s and 90s. It's gone from people singing into a camera to soft core porn. That's where your sex is.
Olivia Coleman is Great! But Miss Gillian dominated this scene!!! What a Great performance!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
This gave me chills, Gillian Anderson absolutely nailed it. The voice, the hair, the body language.
Gillian does a brilliant job at portraying Thatcher. Hats off to her.
I had no idea Gillian Anderson did this. She was superb. They were both superb.
Olivia Coleman is absolutely an amazing actress and in this scene she certainly drives that home. However, Gillian Anderson’s performance blew me away!
Fantastic acting by both!
This is by far the best scene I ever watched in my entire life and believe you me, I have watched thousands of them. Exceptional acting from both actresses. Very well done!
The way Thatcher refused to let HM break in on her speech. She cut off HM and wagged her finger. It was brilliant.
I have great admiration for both the players in this scene, in my humble opinion this was performed on a par with the greatest Hollywood performances of Katherine Hepburn and Bette Davis. Olivia Coleman, even though she is playing The Queen, thankfully has the security in herself to allow Gillian Anderson to, rightly so, run through this entire scene with a bayonet. There has been few occasions in all the time I have been in an audience where I have found the acting as exciting and as virtuosic as what Gillian Anderson gave us in her time as Margaret Thatcher.
Queen was probably thinking to say, 'I wonder if you might be in need of an nice vacation, I hear the tower of London is lovely this time of year.'
Yes! ...Off with her Head! ...Thatcher was rude and overbearing as PM.
Indeed. One became 'unprecedentedly close' to be sent to that lock-up.
Henry VIII would have had her head removed for such rudeness to the crown.
Not really, constitutional monarchy.
Anderson was Off-The-Charts good here. We feel everything she has intended to convey. I'm deeply moved, and impressed.
Wow, what an actress. Now I'll admit her accent was more in the spirit of Thatcher a lot of the time, but she nailed the pronounciation of 'money' and the pacing of Thatcher perfectly and delivered that line so well.
Ms Andersons performance was simply stunning, I found myself hanging on every word it gave me goose bumps.
Me, too, I don't have a father who could bequeath me a title or a commonwealth. But from him I learned about hard work, discipline and the ability to achieve any dream his son could dream.
The Crown has now 5 seasons and this is my favorite 5 minutes of the whole thing.
Both Olivia Coleman and Gillian Anderson were great- 2 very tough women going head-to-head- one could cut the tension with a knife! Great scene!
As amazing and spot on Gillian's portrayal is of Thatcher, there is a flaw. You can tell Gillian has studied many tapes of Margaret Thatcher to get down the voice and mannerisms, but she has studied too much of and sounds like Thatcher talking in parliament or on a podium to a crowd, and not in a one on one conversation manner. She does not sound like she is talking directly to the Queen, but in a room full of people where there are no people.
Anderson was good in this role, but she was hardly the best one to play Margaret Thatcher… Her performance showed no growth in the entire season, as in she seemed frail and grumpy in the entire decade of her tenure… Meryl Streep captured Thatcher perfectly as she gradually aged in the movie…
@@gauravw6947Streep was awful as thatcher
The woman was a robot. It seems plausable she would speak like this in private as well - especially considering the mutual distain the queen and thatcher had for one another.
If you watch interviews of thatcher from the era, her performance, especially the voice is not particularly close at all.
I think that was intentional. The point was to make her seem detached, and unlikeable. Mission accomplished!
"And who's the senior?"
"I am, ma'am."
Hhh,very confident mt
Gillian Anderson is a total legend. She's my generations Merryl Streep. Great in almost everything she does
Olivia Coleman is the best queen. It’s like not even a contest. Season 3 and 4 are impeccable.
Na man so wrong. She’s nothing like the queen.
Her and Claire Foy
@@kb4903Know her so we'll do you?
I think the absolute opposite. OC was like a parody. CF was much more understated
@@LaPtiteAnglaise exactly. It’s clear OC was acting. She doesn’t have the natural confidence or even the look to embody the queen.
Of all the portrayals I've seen of Mrs. Thatcher, this one by Gillian Anderson captures her essence the best. With an honorable mention to Andrea Riseborough in The Long Walk to Finchley.
Sorry, but Meryl Streep's was the greater performance
@@splinterbyrd Ms. Streep is a great actress and did a superb performance, especially with Mrs. Thatcher's accent. However, the other two actresses did a more authentic rendition of their subject.
Meryl Streep nailed it
Things even worse.
Anderson was good in this role, but she was hardly the best one to play Margaret Thatcher… Her performance showed no growth in the entire season as the character aged, she seemed frail and grumpy in the entire decade of her tenure… Meryl Streep captured Thatcher perfectly as she gradually aged in the movie… Also, I feel Colman as Queen Elizabeth was better in this scene than Anderson as Thatcher…
That was an amazing confrontation. The performances were both dramatic and believable.
It is wholly implausible and almost none of it would actually have happened. The Queen would never speak to, or be spoken to by, her PM like that. Utter nonsense.
@@garymitchell5899 genuine question how do you know that?
@@gaddyfree1085 Oh, I don't know. Only a lifetime of living in the UK and observing the Queen and politicians such as Mrs Thatcher. Utter nonsense.
@@garymitchell5899 thanks 😊
You weren't in a room with any of them, nor has any private conversation been made public. So it is very likely a conversation of this nature actually did happen.@@garymitchell5899
My favourite scene in the entre series. She owned it.
Which one?
@@loulie1997 Gillian (Margaret) of course
@@mjgudiel8948Absolutely!
These 2 together... how could it get better? Magnetic performances from both!
This is a captivating and VERY entertaining scene. I'm EXTREMELY curious to know just how accurate and close to reality this dialogue is to what actually occurred. Fantastic!!
That story is only know to four walls - and _they_ don't speak.
There is no reality to the 'personal' scenes in The Crown whatsoever. You must understand that no British Prime minister, or any Minister of the U.K. government, would EVER reveal any details of a conversation with the Monarch. It is simply inconceivable that it would happen. Well, let me rephrase that, if it did happen then nobody would dare to report it because they would not be able to substantiate it and it would destroy the credibility of the publisher.
Truth and accuracy are two different things. Even if it’s a conversation that didn’t take place, it’s one that could - or might - have taken place.
When The Crown isn’t devolving into Fantasyland (remember, it’s suggested by historical events, but veers tremendously for the sake of entertainment) it’s quite insightful into how people felt, in the same way Shakespeare’s histories are about real events but he was more concerned with telling an interesting story to entertain than fidelity to historical accuracy.
That’s why I still admire The Crown despite some of its historical shortcomings.
Not very close. Mrs. Thatcher was very deferential towards the Queen and would never have been so harsh with her. In fact, the Queen complained that Mrs. Thatcher was too deferential. It was common for the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh to have guests to Balmoral for picnic lunch. At such lunches, the Royal Family would serve the guests. Mrs. Thatcher could not bring herself to be served by the Queen and was so openly uncomfortable with it that the Queen was slightly annoyed by it. There is no way that Mrs. Thatcher would have ever raised her voice to the Queen in this manner.
I think the Crown took many artistic liberties but nevertheless it is an interesting scene.
I am very glad for Gillian Anderson. She was a beautiful young woman and classy lady today, it's comforting to see her getting good roles.
I hope this is how the conversation went down! Maggie was spot on!! The world needs her strength and clarity today!
Thinking of yourself and bollocks to everyone else is at the route of humanity...
Thankfully that is untrue..
@@johnallen8680 It was the root cause of the"success" of the Leave campaign.
Wow, kinda blown away by Gillian’s acting especially her vocal capabilities!
The casting throughout the Crown was superb
Brilliant - what a Lady Thatcher was, & Gillian deserves an Oscar for this performance - well done 😊
“This is the business ma’am, the only business.”
Thatcher told the Queen to stay in her place.
To be fair, this scene is based on a play and based on a book. So it was written rather better than other scenes.
What book and play ?
and it is fiction as nobody knows how this interaction actually played out
I wish they had shown/reenacted her last day in Parliament when she answered Dennis Skinner with "What A Good Idea".
Wow, I didn't realize how great of an actress Gillian Anderson is.
Great work Netflix!
Wonderful plot, actors, directors, makeup, dressing department, all the staff.
I’m so happy to see all these series!!!!
Congratulations!!!
Excellent and extraordinary job!!!
Kisses and gratitude from Buenos Aires, Argentina!
Maurice
OMG. Gillian disappears so completely into the character, I didn't realize all this time that was her.
I remember first watching this and thinking, Gillian is going to win another Emmy. Powerhouse performance.
This series completely changed my views on Gillian Anderson, for an American actress to seize the role of Thatcher so well was a total shock!
She lived in the UK till the age of 11
I suggest you broaden your knowledge of Gillian's work. 🙂
You know she did spend many years in the UK growing up. She's not like this wide-eyed country girl never setting foot outside of small-town Nebraska (or the mamy many equivalents)
This is probably when the queen wished she could summon her guards to have Margaret dragged off and thrown into the dungeon! 🤣
😂😂😂
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"No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions, he had money as well"
Bruh, that's kind of cold blooded
She was! That's why Gorbachov called her "The Iron Lady"!
It is genius and correct.
Two very amazing, strong-willed, determined, but very different women. Like two perfectly-matched prize fighters. Mad respect for both of them.
I thinking the acting across the whole series is top class. Can’t wait for the final instalment due out soon on Netflix!
Margaret really slayed this scene, I wonder if any of the dialogue was actually real.
I don’t think so in that Mrs. Thatcher was too much in awe of the monarchy as an institution to be that confrontational toward the Queen. Some have said that she was even more of a monarchist than the Queen was.
Interesting that two American actresses, Gillian Anderson and Meryl Streep, played Margaret Thatcher so brilliantly.
Anderson did grow up in London
@@petert2481no they don’t Peter
@@reidycruise If I remember correctly, one quote after hearing the cost for Thatcher's state funeral was "For that much money they could buy everyone a shovel, and we'd dig a hole so deep you could hand her over to Satan personally"
@@petert2481 I'm Argentinian and here most people hate Tatcher for obvious reasons, but I'm bazzled to know Brits hate her. I know she was the Ma'm of Iron, but overall, she lifted Britain from a awry situation. So... why they hate her?
@@LautaroTessiShe destroyed a nation to rebuild it as a banking enterprise. We pay for it to this day.
What an epic scene, this was. Two powerful women going at it with all the high civility and uprightness due of a royal encounter.
The Crown what an amazing and interesting production. The whole cast is top notch. I love this series.
2:07 the Queen rolling her eyes always makes me laugh
Oh, that ending sentence of the PM is a killer.
I LOVE every scene where Thatcher shuts up the queen....priceless.
She was not afraid to tell Elizabeth the harsh reality of how far removed she actually is from "the one from a small street in an irrelevant town." She wasn't just talking about herself: she was talking about all those who came from where she was. This will come ahead with Diana after all and later when Castle Windsor burns.
Now you see why Queen Elizabeth loved the 'mighty man'.
The two went toe to toe in this scene. Gillian was amazing but Colman was right up there with her. Two peerless actresses at the absolute top of their game. What a treat to watch this was.
Gillian Anderson is superb. Fantastic. Love from Finland❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
They should’ve left the line when Mrs. Thatcher admits her son is a businessman with stakes in South Africa.
Wasn't necessary. The item you reference did not inform Thatcher's official policy. You are doing her a gross injustice in suggesting this, I'm afraid. The Queen, on the other hand, allowed her concern for her image among Commonwealth leaders to guide her position on this matter.
@@robertbrown-qf8xy Now, now… I didn’t write the script. And that was how the scene ended. No more, no less.
@robertbrown-qf8xy Which is right because she wasn't just the Queen of the UK but 15 other states. If you want to share a monarch with other countries, you gotta take them seriously
Corrupt Crown seeking remedy from a bigoted blot.
Never knew what a brilliant actress Gillian Anderson is! Wow!
Wonderful performances, and a brilliant scene.
wow, thought I was actually watching Thatcher! well done Gillian.
I remember the time when I couldn’t imagine GA anything but agent Scully, she played that so long and so well, even after the Fall, I was like yea, she was awesome here meeh she still scully to me. but this completely changed everything, she is magnificent, I love her very much.
As for Thatcher, Im so jealous of her ability to argument, even with the boss, she never has a freeze response she always knows what to say and how to deliver it, that is such good ability to have in life
Dang.... the British can act ,totally awesome scene.
Gillian Anderson is American.
@@DarkFilmDirector Yes, but with a dash of British exposure added in during her life. I think the stoic Shakespearean influence influenced her making her a much better actor than most of her peers in America.
That description she's so mad about is spot on though. 😂
Does what you have now seem satisfactorily "compassionate" to you? Or were Blair and Brown more like it?
U a sheep
Two A list Actors at the absolute top of their game. .. 👏👏👏👏
two actresses at the top of their craft
Gillian Anderson is one the best actresses of her generation.
I wonder... is this one of, if not the most, high-level importance, most powerful meeting of all-fking-time, of two women in positions of authority ever in the history of "mankind"?
I've seen this when it was first aired, and then on re-watch, but it now just occurs to me, probably after 3-4 watchings now, that this might have been the highest profile meeting of two women in power the world has ever known. If anyone has another occurrence of such a thing, please for the love of God, let me know.
Now to the point... what performances between an unexpected casting (Gillian Anderson), and an expected, yet genius casting, of Olivia Coleman as the Queen... two EXTREMELY polarizing, if not the most polarized, women who ever existed.
It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. How do you even BEGIN to tackle that as a performer? How do you start to work your way into this kind of situation as an artist, let alone execute such exquisite choices in every tiny mannerism, pitch, look, pose.... just amazing to me.
This is a superb acting class! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What a performance!!
She read the queen from Genesis to Revelation. SNAP!!!
I just wish the editor had lingered longer on their profiles silhouetted in the windows. Beautiful shot.
Thatcher became too obsessive with power and even started to act like it was an entitlement for her personally. If she had to tear down her own allies in government, she would. I think it’s because of that, partly, that she was ousted from her position and rightfully so.
Oh yes she was totally useless, the fact she out lasted any other PM in the last 100 years seems to escape you. Yes she was eventually ousted as all PM are, but heavens above it was after a long long run. If you have ever held power, which I have in a limited way, the more decision you make the further you go, the more enemies you make, like a ship collects barnacles until it eventually stops moving. For every decision I ever took I had to way up the pros and cons, winners and losers, I would then make decision, the winners would think yes and so he should as I am right, the losers hated my guts and would never forget, so the more decisions the more hatred, it is the job. Thatcher did very well making it 12 years, a miracle really, especially with the unions on going hatred of her.
@@dalane5196Noone said that she was "useless" though.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 No but you did say she was ousted from power because she thought it was an entitlement of hers personally, which is not the case. She was ousted because she had spent that much political capital she was losing popularity, that is why she was ousted, because her political enemies detected her weakness and moved on her. As Jim Hacker said, "loyalty in a cabinet minister is his fear of losing his job is slightly greater than his hope of getting mine" never a truer word spoken. She had been there too long was her greatest weakness, and there was nothing she could do to avoid that.
Just imagine if she was an unelected monarch
Labour bankrupted the country, she turned the country around. Probably the best PM we have had. I hated her at the time, I thought she was ruthless, just didn't appreciate what she did for the country, I just believed in the leftie Labour lies. Labour run up a £180B deficit in 2010, that caused lots of pain, but of course it was the Tories who had to inflict it on us, so they got the blame, again. Labour can't be trusted with the economy, they are morons. People forget how wilfully incompetent they are.
An example as of why Baroness Thatcher was called the "IRON LADY". She was able to deliver a clear and precise example of the real world and international politics to a woman that lived in a fantasy world! God bless Baroness Thatcher always!
Absolutely right!
Gotta love the milk snatcher 😂
These are two great actress, GA is so underrated ...
Gillian killed it! Bravo.
iam from czech.. o gosh. i love this serial.... and in fact... gillian anderson - many times i saw this part... amazing performance, i compare with real thatcher.. and... great great actor attitude.
And of course, in the end, the Queen once again had the last laugh as she outlasted Thatcher and got to watch her go down in flames.
The monarch is always going to outlast a PM. Thatcher changed Britain forever. Except for Atlee, she has had the most impact of any post war PM.
It amazes me that anyone would keep interrupting the Queen like that. great scene.
Great performance showing Thatcher, as the true cold and callous person that she was
4:43 Elizabeth pressed the bell after that comment! Lol
Brilliant acting. But there’s zero possibility that Thatcher ever spoke to the Queen in this manner, or that the Queen was ever so brusque with any Prime Minister. Lots of dramatic licence!
If a Rap Battle was made into a British conversation.
I had no idea who’s was Gillian Anderson until the credits. Amazing work
I think Thatcher was right to be upset about hearing the Queen's position in a newspaper... but.... but.... Elizabeth was also correct in asking the prime minister why she couldn't have supported her this one time on a matter that was obviously very important to her. Thatcher was stubborn and only interested in her own point of view. She never once considered that there are others. That's not the Hallmark of a good leader.
There is a difference in not supporting, and actively putting things out in newspapers. She could just stay out of it like she is supposed to, then she is not supporting anything.
Why should even one exception be made for an unelected head of state? She’s unelected. Thatcher was elected. Three separate times by this point.
@@gruweldaad Even if the rare exception seeks to be on the right side of history?
What does being elected have to do with expressing an opinion? Poor Elizabeth. She was human and seeing abusive oppression bothered her to her core. Can't have that? I'm glad she showed us this side of her. And I'm glad Charles showed us his human side. Good for the both of them.
"only interested in her own point of view." That seems to a requirement of right-wing politicians everywhere.
What a powerhouse they both are....I'm shivering
Every criticism Elizabeth made was 100% accurate
No
Thatcher was brilliant and Britain would be a third world patch of mud now without her.
@@markc-ru4qzBritain and U.S. have been shit swirling in a toilet bowl since Thatcher and Regan.
@@markc-ru4qz How long will that last? 😂
Even if true, it was not her place to say it.
Anderson played it perfectly. Who else could have shown, with such forensic brilliance, how utterly objectionable Thatcher was.
What an amazing scene. Mrs Gillian Anderson is trully an Superb Actress. What an Exquisite portrail of one of the Greatest Woman from Great Britain. PM. Mrs Margaret Thatcher. Loved it.
As a kid watching Gillian play Skully, I would have never guessed she would make an amazing Iron Woman.
Miss Gillian is great actress.
No matter what the situation, I seem to remember Thatcher ALWAYS dragged her father into it, and I don't ever remember her mentioning her mother, even once. Do you suppose she was born from her father's head, like Athena?