Tone of voice was firm but so respectful! With all due respect for the other 2 actresses, Claire Foy was the best version playing the Queen, superb performance. And John Lithgow was extroadinary in this role!!
@@BrianJackson-s7l actress was both the best and the worst. everything she is in, she has this dead look on her face. No emotion. Its soo bad that it worked for this role. since Queeny never showed emotion in most of her life, until her final years with the occasional gummy smile.
He may not debate with her, she is queen. That's the importance of her role here. For a politician not to be allowed to wiggle out of a responsibility is of immense value.
@@mms100o I've always had a very intuitive understanding of protocol for an American, including the very sophisticated, nuanced British monarchy. Not sure where I got that from. It's a great scene, though. She is barely more than a child, and he is very possibly the greatest British stateman of all time, at the end of his career. It should be a mismatch, but she is endowed by God in her role to deliver a balancing influence to the great man, Churchill.
The only thing distacting from the portrayal is the difference in height - Churchilll was only 5'6 and Lithgow is 6'4, towering over everyone in each scene.
This Scene brings tears to my eyes, look how fragile Winston looks, like a child beeing reprehended by his mother, he made his mistakes like every human, but, all he wanted, was the Queen to be ready, and he succeeded, that phrase "i have discharged my duty to your father" just shows how close the royals were to him, not PM and Monarch, but friends ! Phenomenal scene ❤
I took a bit of time a few summers ago to read up on the sinking of the Lusitania. Churchill really took some mean spirited actions before and after the ship was lost. He was particularly vindictive towards Captain Turner, who deserved no blame for what happened to that ship. We now know that Churchill and his staff were collecting intelligence on U boats in the area where the boat was lost, intel that was withheld from the Lusitania's crew. Despite knowing he'd put the boat in a position to be attacked, Winston publicly derided Turner which ended the mans career at sea, accusing him of negligence and poor command. It would have been one thing to let the man's reputation fall apart in public and just keep the truth to yourself. But for some reason, Churchill actually went on the offensive and made an effort in the press and radio to turn the public on the Captain. It was all lies and I don't really understand how it benefited Churchill or the war effort to do that. The public was already rabid for revenge. Turner did not need to be the collateral damage Winston oddly made him.
And Claire's acting was beyond amazing! Right before this scene here she blasts that guy with her "never trust a Cecil...perhaps not" speech which was so perfect! LOL! Then moments later quietly and confidently reprimands Churchill! Just the best!
The other guy was Robert “Bobbitey” Gascoyne-Cecil, 5th Marquess of Salisbury. He came from a very prominent family dating back in politics to the Elizabethan era. His own grandfather was even PM during the Victorian period and his other ancestor was Lord Burghley a prominent advisor or Elizabeth I. I’m not sure if “Never trust a Cecil” is a real phrase or why it would exist since clearly trusting a Cecil had worked in the past
What got Winston Churchill the most. Or what effected him the most was basically the fall of the British Empire. He knew America would be the new leader of the world after WW2. It hit him around the time the western allies were moving to invade Italy. He wanted to go through Greece. The American's wanted to go through Italy. His term for the "soft underbelly of Germany" wasn't Italy. It was Greece. He was overruled by the American's. Also the American's were at the forefront of D-Day. The British Empire and its international power it once had was gone. To this day the UK isn't at the head of world power. After WW2 it was always in decline.
Exactly. They’re kinda like the old friend you keep around because you’ve been friends since kindergarten but you no longer really have a use for them and you may invite them to the party and even let them voice their opinions out of respect but you don’t actually care about what they have to say any longer.
“I would ask you to consider your response in light of the respect that my rank and office deserve, not that which my age and gender might suggest.” That line just speaks volumes of the Queen’s character. Considerate, yet straight to the point.
This is such an amazing scene! This signifies a huge transition for the queen from being dependent on others and unsure of herself to fully confident and ready to completely embrace her God-given role. In the next episode she puts her mom and sister in their place too if one remembers lol....
@@nancyvillines4552 Well...I do agree there are parts that are complete fiction...but there are other parts that are quite true. The show is such a beautiful mix of both 😊
I love this scene you can tell right away that Churchill is regretful for keeping his health problems from the queen but when she mentions that he betrayed their personal relationship he looks not just regretful but deeply hurt by what he did
According to palace security interviewed about the series Foy was the closest to the Queen. That glassy stare, real charism. Olivia Coleman is a fantastic actor. Bu her portrayal was of a fearful queen. It's hard for us to imagine but the queen genuinely believed that he had a pact with god. She was certain of her duty... to the end. She didn't live in fear. She lived in duty. Foy nailed it.
One of the most powerful deliveries, coached in such a steely, deliberate yet calm tone, ever to captured on film. Claire Foy - one of the most underrated actresses of the modern time.
This scene is about respect. Churchill had crossed the line and deserved to be dressed down like he was. I am sure the Queen didn't like doing it but she did it because a standard only survives when it is respected and when it is broken, out of respect for the standard, the individual must be challenged. To not do so is to destroy the standard. Winston, more then anyone recognized this and I am sure was in awe that someone so junior in service reminded him of this and of the institutions they both serve. Something that far too many in leadership fail to uphold these days but even worse, something the general public seems to relish in. The sport and entertainment of lowering standards through deception to gain power. If only, the general public was less accepting of such mediocrity, we might have quality leaders pushing forth sound policy, that not only results in stronger economic times, but more liberal freedoms and a quality of life. Respect is critical
“I would ask you to consider your response in light of the respect that my rank and office deserve, not that which my age and gender might suggest.” This woman was the true feminist! Not a a self absorbed victim, knowing what she was there to do, that it wasn't about her, but her country! How lucky the Brits have been to have someone like her!
To those who think that Mr. Lithgow, as an American, was the wrong actor to play Churchill, let me remind you that Churchill's own mother, Jenny Jerome, was an American!
@@valeriehenderson241 She was one of the so-called "Million Dollar Princesses", American young women who married into the British aristocracy and injected much-needed cash into the families of their spouses!
Hard to find the right words. Both, as Americans, Meryl Streep (as Thatcher from the Iron Lady) and Lithgow (as Churchill, albeit he is too tall!) are simply incredible and slip into the roles with such ease. When I heard Lithgow was appearing as Roald Dahl (at least the height is accurate) at the Royal Court, I couldn't wait to get a ticket. His performance (bearing in mind he is 78) was phenomenal. As was the rest of the cast... should sweep the boards.. Magic.
Acting is playing a role but the Americans seem to have "cornered" the market in acting English political roles. Meryl Streep as Thatcher was outstanding and Lithgow, as Churchill, was equally outstanding, despite being far too tall, sorry. John Lithgow is currently at the Royal Court, Sloane Square as Roald Dahl. Bearing in mind, Lithgow is now 78 years old and on stage for most of the performance, it was riveting. The best individual performance in London this year in my opinion. Don't you just love the theatre???
Holy s*** like this whole scene is so true like you do not talk back to the Monarch so like yeah if I were to really like run her office in Canada and become Premier or prime minister Can I have screwed up like Churchill I definitely would be keeping quiet too. It's really really interesting when you think about it how idiosyncratic the Westminster system is yet that seems what gives it its stability and anti-autocratic Is at times because you actually have two institutions that are always kind of balancing one another out. When one is in one's use one often questions these institutions and their necessity and their Logical usage but As one matures one comes aware of the wisdom of these institutions and how we should actually try to preserve a lot of them. Hello things like racism and stuff like that definitely deserves to be eliminated there are other institutions that we have in Western society that should be preserved because they're actually pretty awesome for what they do for all of us. La reine est une partie integrale de la système de gouvernement dans le Ouest en particulier dans les systèmes Westminster. Moi je me suis rappelé le moment que le ancien premier ministère Chrétien a dit que Il a trouvé un nouveau respecte pour la monarchie et la rôle de la reine dans le système de gouvernement Une fois quand il a dit quelque chose comme «J'ai pensé que tu parles seulement l'anglais parce que tu es le mari de la reine de l'Angleterre» et Le prince Philippe répondrais
Yea how. The USA has a presidential republic system. The President is both Head of State and Head of Government: both the Dignified and Efficient. It’s one of the main weaknesses of a presidential system.
I know Churchill forbade her from inviting the PM to ‘sit’ but keeping him stood up whilst he has the health of a dying stray cat always seems rather brutal.
I like how she is upset with him but yet she lets him down easy. Maybe someone should say that to Donald Trump and Joe Biden. We need young blood to lead the country.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567educate us Mr knowledgeable. Which president made the wrong decision because he was young? And how did that affect your freedom? I’m waiting for a smart and decent reply. Otherwise if you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about it would be awfully great if you didn’t make shit up anymore
Churchill was an amazing war time leader, probably the best this amazing country ever had. But as a peacetime leader, he wasn't as stellar. One thing I am 100% sure of, a term I use only when assured of my certainty, is that he, and them men and women who have died for this country, and all it stands for, would be disgusted by it current status. I am also likewise assured that these patriots would hold the steadfast opinion that they did indeed sacrifice everything in vain.
Only thing is Bagehot never wrote that the 'dignified' and 'efficient' parts of the government were to cooperate and trust each other. He saw the dignified elements as being useful in only getting the obedience of the 'ignorant multitude'.
wonder how it went if claire was still in character when she got home and started talking to hubby like that in that manner .i bet there were some sparks
Never been in the palace at nighttime to see how it is lit today, but having been in many old buildings that pre-date electricity, even though they were later wired for electricity, they are often hard to light well partly due to the ornate walls and often solid masonry of such places (Very expensive and time-consuming to run wires and cut holes in walls or ceilings for outlets). A desk may be well lit by a lamp on the desk or a sofa may be well lit to accommodate reading via a lamp on an end table, but such vast rooms are often not well lit as you have limits of what you can do with outlets for lamps and overhead lighting. In many ways it gives it more authenticity that rooms are kind of dark compared to modern buildings. It reminds me of when you walk into an old city library built in the mid to late 1800's or an old estate home built in that era. Obviously many of the palaces and government buildings were built then or even earlier.
Its not the about the person, its about the "position", the crown itself is the dignified, and this is not taken away by the person, its the crown which makes the persons royal and there for its the crown whos always the dignified
Why? He's been able to conduct the nation's business. He is sound of mind and a bit slow in the body. However, unlike Comrade Trump the Traitor, he's able to drink a bottle of water with one hand and actually makes sense in English when he speaks.
That's the problem. Given the current state of the Senate, Congress and White House, it is difficult to properly see the "dignified element" of the US Constitution - even though it should be obvious.
I actually don't know if any of this true. Churchill and George VI reformed the weekly meetings and instead actually shared a meal during world War II. it's funny to me trying to imagine Churchill eating standing up. But George VI was not only the monarch, he waa Churchills private confessor. In World War II, that's a cruel job alone.
Is it fair to still hold this against Charles? When this record came into the media about 30 years ago, I also thought "my goodness, how disgusting". Today I see two things differently: First: tapping phones and selling recordings of conversations to the media is criminal - the guy who did that should have been behind bars instead of collecting a big sum from the sensationalist press. Second: Have you ever been in love in your life? The you would know that people in love sometimes say foolish things to each others - but no one, neither princes nor other celebrities, deserves to have these intimate whispers to be dragged into the public eye.
@@thomasplinguidy4588 I don't expect people to bow or kneel to me. I have not spent my life striving for a job that embodies "dignity". To whom much is given, much is expected.
@@GunleaverWell, he didn’t choose it either, did he? If you live in the UK, you’ve chosen to continue to have a monarchy and the public are the ones who get all pissed off if the royals don’t follow “protocols” and “traditions” and expect them to act a certain way. And at the end of the day, his sex life has nothing to do with his role or anything else. It’s private. He’s not doing anything illegal and it’s not even honestly anything THAT weird. It’s not like he’s doing deviant degenerate shit in his private life. And sure, he’s pretty horrible at “dirty talk” but him and his now wife probably have a pretty standard vanilla sex life, it didn’t sound like they were exactly doing whips and chains and being suspended from the ceiling or anything too wild. He was just a man in love who wanted his partner to know that he enjoys her body and vagina who also just happens to be a bit awkward when trying to convey that he’s horny for her -big friggin whoop . How’s it any of our damn business exactly? It has NOTHING to do with anything you said. Just because someone is in the public eye doesn’t give us the right to know about his sex life and monitor it. If anything, people who are obsessed with it are the degenerates, weirdos and freaks
This is the problem with most institutions if they survive long enough to protect the worst sort of people who hide within them. I have little respect over guard for institutions or offices, If from the oval office to the to the crown, Or from legacy business institutions to The church, when they stand in the way of the people they are supposed to serve and protect.
This highlights everything that is silly and dangerous about England's constitutional monarchy. Although fairly elected to his office, the PM serves at her whim. She has all the power and none of the accountability. For 75 years, England has been a steadily declining player on the world stage. It keeps what power it still has due to its legacy talent, culture, and excellent civilian institutions.
The Monarch has the power but it is not going to be used unless absolutely necessary There is a good reason why the Monarch can decide that a politician will not form a government in the monarch's name or dismiss the PM if they have to, it stops people who should not be getting into power from doing so like fascists or stops a government turning the UK into an authoritarian dictatorship
Churchill was not elected to his office as Leader of the aConservative Party, the leaders consulted the Party and it was done by consensus. The first elected Leader of the Conservative Party was Ted Heath.
@@Knight6831 Not just the UK but the other commonwealth realms also. The Monarch represents and protects the people and the Constitution, NOT the government. This is why Constitutional Monarchies are the most stable form of Government.
They don’t represent the government, they represent people. And their power isn’t all encompassing as you seem to think and despite the belief that they can just do anything they want, they can’t. They don’t actually have any REAL power.
Claire Foy performance is more like reading from a book to children. She is not in the moment, or in the set, too etherical., volatile. Olivia Colman is grounded, shrewd, lively and earthly.
Yeah well, that’s why it’s a dramatization of events and not autobiographical. People don’t seem to grasp that this show isn’t the reality of how things occurred and is dramatized for tv. You’d think people would understand that but it doesn’t seem to get through to many viewers. Just one look at the comments can tell you that
Oh don’t be so sure, the King has been known to hold very firm opinions on certain matters and to in the past not have been shy of letting ministers know. Remember that when he received Liz Truss in their weekly audience the week after her mini budget disaster he greeter her with a terse “back again are we? Dear oh dear”
@@adampower9757 she offered him a seat in the beginning but he adamantly refused(in The Crown when she first became Queen) Tbh though I can see Churchill doing this
@@abehambino-- You're right; let's compare: -- Committed adultery against wife: Clinton, 1 wife; tRump, 3 wives. -- Impeached by House of Representatives: Clinton, once; tRump, twice. -- Elected by a plurality of the American voters: Clinton, twice; tRump, 0. -- Sustained budget SURPLUSES with American tax dollars: Clinton, 3; tRump, 0. -- Committed treason by attempting to reverse a legal election and sending an armed mob against the Congress and his own vice president: Clinton, 0; tRump, yeah, 1/6/21. -- Indicted for felonies by 4 grand juries: Clinton, 0; tRump, 91. -- Number of Americans who died of a contagious pandemic while denying science, minimizing the threat, and doing nothing: Clinton, 0; tRump: 1,000,000+. Yeah, the comparison certainly brings everything into focus.
Dude he lied to her, he lied to the queen she should know if her prime minister is sick or unwell the country needed a stable leader and he hid his health from the queen bcz he couldn't bare to give up his title and his fame!
But ofc that "to went Cromwell" destroys the whole state. If you are in such an office, you are sworn to protect and value the constituition, therefore the efficent (your part then) and the dignified (the Crown then) and the trust between those. So thats the whole point: its not a child born into uxury and high office you talk to, as you talk in your role as PM you talk to the Queen, as Head of the state, as 'her' Prime minister, the minister of the dignifed. If you break that, as cromwell did, you shouldnt not be PM in the first place (as Cromwell was not).
After murder and robbery …..trucie żebym czasem w telewizji co nie skorzystała dzięki niemu, to jedzenie 80 letniej ciotki przez swojego młodszego brata i wyleżanego bratanka; a ona 24 godziny na dobę ujadanie mnie latami abym była cicho
![Twenty One Pilots - The Line (from Arcane Season 2) [Official Audio]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XCz7WUotXs8/mqdefault.jpg)
Tone of voice was firm but so respectful! With all due respect for the other 2 actresses, Claire Foy was the best version playing the Queen, superb performance. And John Lithgow was extroadinary in this role!!
Tell that poor old man to sit down.
I agree. She nailed to so well.
Yeah, Claire Foy is great, but Olivia is just as great.
Over time, the "dignified"/government always kills the "efficient"/the individual freedom/free market. Churchill knew, and was just fine with it
I love it because this looks exactly like “a child getting a good dressing down by nanny”, as referenced earlier
She had so much respect for the man, and literally felt bad.
John Lithgow did a superb job as Winston Churchill
superb
He really did.
I thought it odd to cast an American actor as Churchill, but he pulled it off with aplomb
It's a dreadful casting. Lithgow is awful in this role.
@@BrianJackson-s7l actress was both the best and the worst.
everything she is in, she has this dead look on her face. No emotion. Its soo bad that it worked for this role. since Queeny never showed emotion in most of her life, until her final years with the occasional gummy smile.
Such a brilliantly conceived and executed scene. That episode was a slow burn up to this scene with a truly phenomenal payoff.
He may not debate with her, she is queen. That's the importance of her role here. For a politician not to be allowed to wiggle out of a responsibility is of immense value.
Precisely! That's why I appreciate the constitutional monarchy so much.
@@mms100o I've always had a very intuitive understanding of protocol for an American, including the very sophisticated, nuanced British monarchy. Not sure where I got that from.
It's a great scene, though. She is barely more than a child, and he is very possibly the greatest British stateman of all time, at the end of his career. It should be a mismatch, but she is endowed by God in her role to deliver a balancing influence to the great man, Churchill.
He often instructed her when she first came to the throne. He was her advisor.
@@mms100ountil you get a mad one...
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 the system allows for a regency. I imagine we will see more of these as we all live longer.
The abhorrence Churchill feels with himself in this scene is amazing. True patriot
John Lithgow NAILED this role.
The only thing distacting from the portrayal is the difference in height - Churchilll was only 5'6 and Lithgow is 6'4, towering over everyone in each scene.
Lithgow nails everything lol
@@Lisa_MS64 But he does a great job in making himself look shorter!
This Scene brings tears to my eyes, look how fragile Winston looks, like a child beeing reprehended by his mother, he made his mistakes like every human, but, all he wanted, was the Queen to be ready, and he succeeded, that phrase "i have discharged my duty to your father" just shows how close the royals were to him, not PM and Monarch, but friends ! Phenomenal scene ❤
A "good dressing down from nanny." What every upper-class English male really wants. 😊👍🇬🇧
People will literally “smol bean uwu >w
I took a bit of time a few summers ago to read up on the sinking of the Lusitania. Churchill really took some mean spirited actions before and after the ship was lost. He was particularly vindictive towards Captain Turner, who deserved no blame for what happened to that ship. We now know that Churchill and his staff were collecting intelligence on U boats in the area where the boat was lost, intel that was withheld from the Lusitania's crew. Despite knowing he'd put the boat in a position to be attacked, Winston publicly derided Turner which ended the mans career at sea, accusing him of negligence and poor command. It would have been one thing to let the man's reputation fall apart in public and just keep the truth to yourself. But for some reason, Churchill actually went on the offensive and made an effort in the press and radio to turn the public on the Captain. It was all lies and I don't really understand how it benefited Churchill or the war effort to do that. The public was already rabid for revenge. Turner did not need to be the collateral damage Winston oddly made him.
And Claire's acting was beyond amazing! Right before this scene here she blasts that guy with her "never trust a Cecil...perhaps not" speech which was so perfect! LOL! Then moments later quietly and confidently reprimands Churchill! Just the best!
The other guy was Robert “Bobbitey” Gascoyne-Cecil, 5th Marquess of Salisbury. He came from a very prominent family dating back in politics to the Elizabethan era. His own grandfather was even PM during the Victorian period and his other ancestor was Lord Burghley a prominent advisor or Elizabeth I. I’m not sure if “Never trust a Cecil” is a real phrase or why it would exist since clearly trusting a Cecil had worked in the past
What got Winston Churchill the most. Or what effected him the most was basically the fall of the British Empire. He knew America would be the new leader of the world after WW2. It hit him around the time the western allies were moving to invade Italy. He wanted to go through Greece. The American's wanted to go through Italy. His term for the "soft underbelly of Germany" wasn't Italy. It was Greece. He was overruled by the American's. Also the American's were at the forefront of D-Day. The British Empire and its international power it once had was gone. To this day the UK isn't at the head of world power. After WW2 it was always in decline.
Exactly. They’re kinda like the old friend you keep around because you’ve been friends since kindergarten but you no longer really have a use for them and you may invite them to the party and even let them voice their opinions out of respect but you don’t actually care about what they have to say any longer.
didnt he start ww2 ?
No Churchill wasn’t even prime minister when the war started.
@@freemason4979 Do you not know any World History?
@@thehaikusamurai6024 Nobb, but he did the Norway fiasco, which pushed Hitler 2 invade Norway
“I would ask you to consider your response in light of the respect that my rank and office deserve, not that which my age and gender might suggest.”
That line just speaks volumes of the Queen’s character. Considerate, yet straight to the point.
This is such an amazing scene! This signifies a huge transition for the queen from being dependent on others and unsure of herself to fully confident and ready to completely embrace her God-given role. In the next episode she puts her mom and sister in their place too if one remembers lol....
Even Phillip noticed it 😊
@@nancyvillines4552 Haha yeah he did! But in the show I just can't like Phillip....he broke the queen's heart when she found that pendant....😢
@@mattdavis1735 agreed 💯 And at least we know it's mostly fiction based on real historical facts.
@@nancyvillines4552 Well...I do agree there are parts that are complete fiction...but there are other parts that are quite true. The show is such a beautiful mix of both 😊
@@mattdavis1735 agreed 👍💯
I love this scene you can tell right away that Churchill is regretful for keeping his health problems from the queen but when she mentions that he betrayed their personal relationship he looks not just regretful but deeply hurt by what he did
I absolutely adore how John Lithgows Churchill kisses the Queens Hands every Audience
John Lithgow is an incredible actor, and it is illustrated in this simple scene.
It's the disappointment in her voice that hits you between the eyes. Bravo!!
According to palace security interviewed about the series Foy was the closest to the Queen. That glassy stare, real charism. Olivia Coleman is a fantastic actor. Bu her portrayal was of a fearful queen. It's hard for us to imagine but the queen genuinely believed that he had a pact with god. She was certain of her duty... to the end. She didn't live in fear. She lived in duty. Foy nailed it.
No one wants to get old and feeble but you can understand the queens pov as well.
This scene gave and still gives me goosebumps. Phenomenal
One of the most powerful deliveries, coached in such a steely, deliberate yet calm tone, ever to captured on film. Claire Foy - one of the most underrated actresses of the modern time.
"Scientia Potentia Est" one of the best episodes of all time!
The best example of, "I'm not mad at you, I'm just disappointed." I've ever seen.
This scene is about respect. Churchill had crossed the line and deserved to be dressed down like he was. I am sure the Queen didn't like doing it but she did it because a standard only survives when it is respected and when it is broken, out of respect for the standard, the individual must be challenged. To not do so is to destroy the standard. Winston, more then anyone recognized this and I am sure was in awe that someone so junior in service reminded him of this and of the institutions they both serve. Something that far too many in leadership fail to uphold these days but even worse, something the general public seems to relish in. The sport and entertainment of lowering standards through deception to gain power. If only, the general public was less accepting of such mediocrity, we might have quality leaders pushing forth sound policy, that not only results in stronger economic times, but more liberal freedoms and a quality of life. Respect is critical
After she disciplined the two older slippery so and so’s in this scene, I understood the phrase “History teaches never trust a Cecil..” 😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
“I would ask you to consider your response in light of the respect that my rank and office deserve, not that which my age and gender might suggest.” This woman was the true feminist! Not a a self absorbed victim, knowing what she was there to do, that it wasn't about her, but her country! How lucky the Brits have been to have someone like her!
John Lithgow was brilliant.
I love this scene. Lithgow handled it perfectly.
magnificent acting from both of them.....
While Lithgow is totally wrong for this part physically, he absolutely nailed it.
The first 2 seasons were perfection.
What a perfect performance by both of them
Great writing follow by 2 great professional acting
Makes perfect
their scenes>>>
My God John Lithgow is incredible.
To those who think that Mr. Lithgow, as an American, was the wrong actor to play Churchill, let me remind you that Churchill's own mother, Jenny Jerome, was an American!
One of the so-called "Million dollar Princesses" who injected much needed funds into various noble houses!
Touche!
@@valeriehenderson241 She was one of the so-called "Million Dollar Princesses", American young women who married into the British aristocracy and injected much-needed cash into the families of their spouses!
I think Claire Foy was the best Queen on the show
John Lithgow was absolutely amazing as Churchill in every way.
Marvellous writing shown at its best by marvellous acting.
Remarkable scene, brilliant actors…
Dignified & Efficient. Who ever drafted this 🫡
John Lithgow's performance in this scene. I felt so sorry for Winston, he looked like he wanted to burst into tears.
Hard to find the right words. Both, as Americans, Meryl Streep (as Thatcher from the Iron Lady) and Lithgow (as Churchill, albeit he is too tall!) are simply incredible and slip into the roles with such ease. When I heard Lithgow was appearing as Roald Dahl (at least the height is accurate) at the Royal Court, I couldn't wait to get a ticket. His performance (bearing in mind he is 78) was phenomenal. As was the rest of the cast... should sweep the boards.. Magic.
At one time, both our countries had amazing leaders.
Not anymore
The Queen 👑
Queen is great in here.
The look on his face!
Claire Foy had the Queens voice and accent down so well.
John Lithgow was very convincing as a British.
she respect him by her tone and words simple
Who knew the bay harbour butcher was lore accurate to capturing The trinity killer even 100 years after the events of World War 2
Acting is playing a role but the Americans seem to have "cornered" the market in acting English political roles. Meryl Streep as Thatcher was outstanding and Lithgow, as Churchill, was equally outstanding, despite being far too tall, sorry. John Lithgow is currently at the Royal Court, Sloane Square as Roald Dahl. Bearing in mind, Lithgow is now 78 years old and on stage for most of the performance, it was riveting. The best individual performance in London this year in my opinion.
Don't you just love the theatre???
The look on his face will curse my memory forever.
Holy s*** like this whole scene is so true like you do not talk back to the Monarch so like yeah if I were to really like run her office in Canada and become Premier or prime minister Can I have screwed up like Churchill I definitely would be keeping quiet too. It's really really interesting when you think about it how idiosyncratic the Westminster system is yet that seems what gives it its stability and anti-autocratic Is at times because you actually have two institutions that are always kind of balancing one another out. When one is in one's use one often questions these institutions and their necessity and their Logical usage but As one matures one comes aware of the wisdom of these institutions and how we should actually try to preserve a lot of them. Hello things like racism and stuff like that definitely deserves to be eliminated there are other institutions that we have in Western society that should be preserved because they're actually pretty awesome for what they do for all of us. La reine est une partie integrale de la système de gouvernement dans le Ouest en particulier dans les systèmes Westminster. Moi je me suis rappelé le moment que le ancien premier ministère Chrétien a dit que Il a trouvé un nouveau respecte pour la monarchie et la rôle de la reine dans le système de gouvernement Une fois quand il a dit quelque chose comme «J'ai pensé que tu parles seulement l'anglais parce que tu es le mari de la reine de l'Angleterre» et Le prince Philippe répondrais
Can someone have this talk with Biden?
For what exactly?
Yea how. The USA has a presidential republic system. The President is both Head of State and Head of Government: both the Dignified and Efficient. It’s one of the main weaknesses of a presidential system.
I think Trump might need it more - either he is not of sound mind or his mind is incurably rotten and has been his whole life
Just stop, already. On his worst day, President Joe Biden still knows more about effective governance than you ever will.
How utterly absurd. Biden has accomplished far more good for his country in 3 years than Trump did in 4! Biden is old, and more than capable!
let Sir Winston sit down...
You are right. I keep telling myself, "Let him sit!"
no. he's getting told off for hiding secrets from HIS queen. let him suffer in that.
In a previous episode he explains that he isn't supposed to sit. She's not keeping him standing, he is.
I know Churchill forbade her from inviting the PM to ‘sit’ but keeping him stood up whilst he has the health of a dying stray cat always seems rather brutal.
I like how she is upset with him but yet she lets him down easy. Maybe someone should say that to Donald Trump and Joe Biden. We need young blood to lead the country.
Young Presidents often take wrong decisions.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567educate us Mr knowledgeable. Which president made the wrong decision because he was young? And how did that affect your freedom? I’m waiting for a smart and decent reply. Otherwise if you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about it would be awfully great if you didn’t make shit up anymore
lol, well one of the two of them got the message, are you happy now?
This is us it’s a great show from blue pictures television.
Churchill was an amazing war time leader, probably the best this amazing country ever had. But as a peacetime leader, he wasn't as stellar. One thing I am 100% sure of, a term I use only when assured of my certainty, is that he, and them men and women who have died for this country, and all it stands for, would be disgusted by it current status. I am also likewise assured that these patriots would hold the steadfast opinion that they did indeed sacrifice everything in vain.
Only thing is Bagehot never wrote that the 'dignified' and 'efficient' parts of the government were to cooperate and trust each other. He saw the dignified elements as being useful in only getting the obedience of the 'ignorant multitude'.
Kind of mirrors recent events
wonder how it went if claire was still in character when she got home and started talking to hubby like that in that manner .i bet there were some sparks
Blair….’we need to save these people from themselves’
Now imagine Charles and Rishi 😂
TRUST
Do the viewers of this show actually believe there was no proper lighting until 1980?
Never been in the palace at nighttime to see how it is lit today, but having been in many old buildings that pre-date electricity, even though they were later wired for electricity, they are often hard to light well partly due to the ornate walls and often solid masonry of such places (Very expensive and time-consuming to run wires and cut holes in walls or ceilings for outlets). A desk may be well lit by a lamp on the desk or a sofa may be well lit to accommodate reading via a lamp on an end table, but such vast rooms are often not well lit as you have limits of what you can do with outlets for lamps and overhead lighting. In many ways it gives it more authenticity that rooms are kind of dark compared to modern buildings. It reminds me of when you walk into an old city library built in the mid to late 1800's or an old estate home built in that era. Obviously many of the palaces and government buildings were built then or even earlier.
The queen was the last royal to toe the line....since then credibility has gone, they are as trashy as the rest of us.
Its not the about the person, its about the "position", the crown itself is the dignified, and this is not taken away by the person, its the crown which makes the persons royal and there for its the crown whos always the dignified
Which episode is this?
It's in the description.
Season one, episode 7.
@@madeleinegrayson8372 thank you
Qctually, it is self sacrifice. But I didnt know it would lead to this. Am ok.
Wish somebody would have a conversation like this with Biden 😅
As long as Trump gets one too. Even the playing the field
Why? He's been able to conduct the nation's business. He is sound of mind and a bit slow in the body. However, unlike Comrade Trump the Traitor, he's able to drink a bottle of water with one hand and actually makes sense in English when he speaks.
He is actually in that office precisely thanks to these kind of conversations many have had with the office holder prior to him.
seethe and cope
That's the problem. Given the current state of the Senate, Congress and White House, it is difficult to properly see the "dignified element" of the US Constitution - even though it should be obvious.
==================================
I doubt HMQ would keep Churchill standing.
==================================
Let him sit down!
How about NO!
She offered him before this and he refused.
I actually don't know if any of this true. Churchill and George VI reformed the weekly meetings and instead actually shared a meal during world War II. it's funny to me trying to imagine Churchill eating standing up.
But George VI was not only the monarch, he waa Churchills private confessor. In World War II, that's a cruel job alone.
He knows he'd have trouble getting up again.
It wasn't allowed at the time.
Walter Badget didn't live long enough to see the "efficiency" of the modern British government or the "dignity" of King Charles the Tampax.
Is it fair to still hold this against Charles? When this record came into the media about 30 years ago, I also thought "my goodness, how disgusting". Today I see two things differently: First: tapping phones and selling recordings of conversations to the media is criminal - the guy who did that should have been behind bars instead of collecting a big sum from the sensationalist press. Second: Have you ever been in love in your life? The you would know that people in love sometimes say foolish things to each others - but no one, neither princes nor other celebrities, deserves to have these intimate whispers to be dragged into the public eye.
@@thomasplinguidy4588 I don't expect people to bow or kneel to me. I have not spent my life striving for a job that embodies "dignity". To whom much is given, much is expected.
@@frazer3191 Yes. I am the first person to have ideas or thoughts on the monarchy. FWIW, you're welcome.
@@GunleaverWell, he didn’t choose it either, did he? If you live in the UK, you’ve chosen to continue to have a monarchy and the public are the ones who get all pissed off if the royals don’t follow “protocols” and “traditions” and expect them to act a certain way.
And at the end of the day, his sex life has nothing to do with his role or anything else. It’s private. He’s not doing anything illegal and it’s not even honestly anything THAT weird. It’s not like he’s doing deviant degenerate shit in his private life. And sure, he’s pretty horrible at “dirty talk” but him and his now wife probably have a pretty standard vanilla sex life, it didn’t sound like they were exactly doing whips and chains and being suspended from the ceiling or anything too wild. He was just a man in love who wanted his partner to know that he enjoys her body and vagina who also just happens to be a bit awkward when trying to convey that he’s horny for her -big friggin whoop .
How’s it any of our damn business exactly? It has NOTHING to do with anything you said. Just because someone is in the public eye doesn’t give us the right to know about his sex life and monitor it. If anything, people who are obsessed with it are the degenerates, weirdos and freaks
This is the problem with most institutions if they survive long enough to protect the worst sort of people who hide within them.
I have little respect over guard for institutions or offices, If from the oval office to the to the crown, Or from legacy business institutions to The church, when they stand in the way of the people they are supposed to serve and protect.
I am disappointed with the disrespect that was rewarded to my industry.
Its over.
I will serve my.Queen in a Land close to whats unreal.
This highlights everything that is silly and dangerous about England's constitutional monarchy. Although fairly elected to his office, the PM serves at her whim. She has all the power and none of the accountability.
For 75 years, England has been a steadily declining player on the world stage. It keeps what power it still has due to its legacy talent, culture, and excellent civilian institutions.
Why does the Monarch need accountability?
Clearly you do not get why the British constitutional monarchy works the way it does
The Monarch has the power but it is not going to be used unless absolutely necessary
There is a good reason why the Monarch can decide that a politician will not form a government in the monarch's name or dismiss the PM if they have to,
it stops people who should not be getting into power from doing so like fascists or stops a government turning the UK into an authoritarian dictatorship
Churchill was not elected to his office as Leader of the aConservative Party, the leaders consulted the Party and it was done by consensus. The first elected Leader of the Conservative Party was Ted Heath.
@@Knight6831 Not just the UK but the other commonwealth realms also. The Monarch represents and protects the people and the Constitution, NOT the government. This is why Constitutional Monarchies are the most stable form of Government.
They don’t represent the government, they represent people. And their power isn’t all encompassing as you seem to think and despite the belief that they can just do anything they want, they can’t. They don’t actually have any REAL power.
Wow
This is so relevant in America now with Biden.
Except.
Yoybare not taljung to me.
You are me.
Claire Foy performance is more like reading from a book to children. She is not in the moment, or in the set, too etherical., volatile. Olivia Colman is grounded, shrewd, lively and earthly.
WOW !” Biden Should Be In This Room With - The QUEEN !” Maybe He Would Leave 🏃 ….!” 🤷♀️
Can someone please tell trump that ???
I don't believe she would have said this.
Yeah well, that’s why it’s a dramatization of events and not autobiographical. People don’t seem to grasp that this show isn’t the reality of how things occurred and is dramatized for tv. You’d think people would understand that but it doesn’t seem to get through to many viewers. Just one look at the comments can tell you that
Doubt new king would speak like that to Rishi now
Oh don’t be so sure, the King has been known to hold very firm opinions on certain matters and to in the past not have been shy of letting ministers know. Remember that when he received Liz Truss in their weekly audience the week after her mini budget disaster he greeter her with a terse “back again are we? Dear oh dear”
isn't he allowed to sit there? The guy looks he's in his late 70s
In those days the PM never sat down in the presense of the monarch
@@ohwell94 really inhumane considering his age. (I hope this scene is just dramatic fiction and not what happened in real life)
@@adampower9757 she offered him a seat in the beginning but he adamantly refused(in The Crown when she first became Queen)
Tbh though I can see Churchill doing this
@@ohwell94 o.k. If it's his own wish, then it's fine.
Was it Queen Victoria that laid down this rule? No PM should sit with the Monarchy ?
66 million people in the UK and they had to get a Yankee to play Churchill? Couldn't they at least have gotten a Canadian? :D
All that matters is that he plays Churchill well, which he does.
That"s just how GREAT Lithgow is
"Eh, your majesty? What is this aboot?"
He basically dug up Churchill’s corpse for this role. He’s amazing. Who cares?
Plenty of British actors play Americans. No reason why the reverse can’t be true if the performance is excellent.
First 😊and insanely early 😊
Can anyone be less dignified than Trump.
Bill Clinton comes to mind.
@@abehambino-- You're right; let's compare:
-- Committed adultery against wife: Clinton, 1 wife; tRump, 3 wives.
-- Impeached by House of Representatives: Clinton, once; tRump, twice.
-- Elected by a plurality of the American voters: Clinton, twice; tRump, 0.
-- Sustained budget SURPLUSES with American tax dollars: Clinton, 3; tRump, 0.
-- Committed treason by attempting to reverse a legal election and sending an armed mob against the Congress and his own vice president: Clinton, 0; tRump, yeah, 1/6/21.
-- Indicted for felonies by 4 grand juries: Clinton, 0; tRump, 91.
-- Number of Americans who died of a contagious pandemic while denying science, minimizing the threat, and doing nothing: Clinton, 0; tRump: 1,000,000+.
Yeah, the comparison certainly brings everything into focus.
The pedo in a diaper springs to mind, lol.
What about trump lol
MOST UNdignified US president EVER. Such a buffoon! 😒👎
@markmh835 Oh yeah, tell me all the things Biden that has done that are so great. Looking forward to Trump in the White House in 2024.
I would have went Cromwell on her are u kidding me. Who are u but a child born into luxury and high office.
Dude he lied to her, he lied to the queen she should know if her prime minister is sick or unwell the country needed a stable leader and he hid his health from the queen bcz he couldn't bare to give up his title and his fame!
Churchill had too much respect for the crown and dignity to do that.
But ofc that "to went Cromwell" destroys the whole state. If you are in such an office, you are sworn to protect and value the constituition, therefore the efficent (your part then) and the dignified (the Crown then) and the trust between those. So thats the whole point: its not a child born into uxury and high office you talk to, as you talk in your role as PM you talk to the Queen, as Head of the state, as 'her' Prime minister, the minister of the dignifed. If you break that, as cromwell did, you shouldnt not be PM in the first place (as Cromwell was not).
But Cromwell was a dictator of a republic not pm of a constitutional monarchy
😂
After murder and robbery …..trucie żebym czasem w telewizji co nie skorzystała dzięki niemu, to jedzenie 80 letniej ciotki przez swojego młodszego brata i wyleżanego bratanka; a ona 24 godziny na dobę ujadanie mnie latami abym była cicho
John Lthgow was the wrong choice for Churchill. Brendan Gleeson is the best Churchill since Churchill.
He did an amazing job.
叶恭子様
英国赤十字社
ウェールズ公妃ダイアナ
つかえていました。
よろしくお願いいたします。
伊東智美ＭI6とCIA
広末涼子様
英国赤十字社
ウェールズ公妃ダイアナ
つかえていました。
よろしくお願いいたします。
伊東智美ＭI6とCIA
小室瑛莉子様
英国赤十字社
ウェールズ公妃ダイアナ
つかえていました。
よろしくお願いいたします。
伊東智美ＭI6とCIA
山田美保子様
英国赤十字社
ウェールズ公妃ダイアナ
つかえていました。
よろしくお願いいたします。
伊東智美ＭI6とCIA