Kratos catches the hammer in the second fight because in the first fight Thor used the recall to hit him in the back of the head. Kratos learned and refused to let the hammer go behind him and be stuck between the hammer and Thor.
No, in the second fight thor even hit kratos on the head with the mjölnir and kratos takes the hit like it's nothing, in their first fight kratos was simply holding back too much
@@jsmaelsartor595That's not _wrong_ exactly, but it wasn't the point of what they were saying. Kratos got hit by the hammer several times during that fight, and the blow to the back of the head wasn't what knocked him out. What they were saying was that Kratos didn't want to have a repeat of when he was left vulnerable after the hammer recall, so he tried to stop it from going too far away. This is also one of Kratos' own tactics in gameplay, throwing the axe, fighting without it, then lining up for a recall that strikes or trips an enemy from behind, so he should be familiar with the idea.
@@Azeral7 "lore accurate strength" is a funny thing. Kratos was never supposed to be the most powerful being or anything like that. He's always been a character that always overcame things much larger and stronger than him, both literally and metaphorically. People who argue about lore and power scaling completely miss the point of the story and stuff like that. Discussions like Norse vs Greek gods strength never really mattered when telling the story. People get lost in that stuff especially in comic book stuff too when the whole time a writer/director is just gonna go with whatever fits the story in a logical way. If all fights were about power scaling, Kratos wouldn't have even beat Ares, let alone Zeus.
Spartans are not known for that thought werent they? I thought they only really used the phalanx formation as much as possible and their army were mostly hoplite infantry men. They did have a small cavalry but they didnt even use them as a main fighting force most of the time.
@railroad_riley5084 Yes and no. Individual spartan soldiers 100% were capable of this as they were trained from a very young age through very dangerous methods how to survive and adapt, and this combined with always punching up while young fighting older boys meant from a young age they had to fight and adapt on the fly. The inability to this as a group unit is how they suffered some of their worst losses as it was realized that individual soldiers are dangerous but the formations used could be exploited and they won't change because they have always worked and assuredly always will..
There's also the fact that Kratos exploits Thor's Eitri poison wound as much as possible. Every time he punches him in the gut, it's always directly on the open wound, when he stabs him with the Blades of Chaos, it's exactly in the wound, when he stabs him for the second time with the spear, it's in the wound again, and same with the Leviathan Axe.
@@PeachesandCream225if you were looking for Thor vs Kratos round 1 again, I don’t know what to tell you. To me, this was a master class of 1 on 1 combat between two powerful beings
While I wanted more spectacle out of round 2, it’s grown on me. We finally get to see the Thor who wiped out the giants - a destroyer drunk off mead & blood. He is *absolutely pissed* thinking Kratos was gonna kill his daughter and the VA really nails it with that booming voice. Thor going full Led Zepplin mode never fails to give me chills. But Kratos definitely learned a thing or two from the first fight.
@@Lord_Simpwalker yes but, considering that most of the fight and Kratos tanking and overpowering Thor did NOT include draupnir, I doubt the result would be much different, just a slightly longer exchange between Kratos and Thor.
This really makes me appreciate just how good the fight choreo is in these games, easy to miss in the moment. Even though its clear who wins, I think breaking down how Kratos adapts in his fight with Heimdall might be really cool- obvious winner, but how he gets there always fascinated me.
During this fight, unlike the first one, Kratos was completely locked in. He knows Atreus is safe during this, while during the first fight (not mentioned, just trying to use common sense here) he most likely was mostly thinking about the fact that Odin is with Atreus, which hindered his performance in a very big way. Of course, Kratos is also a monster when it comes to adapting to people’s fighting style. If you fight Kratos once and he survives, you’re screwed. It was showed in this fight the most. Barely anything worked that Thor did.
@Fusion237 Ik its not really confirmed but I think the Axe was sprayed with venom of the World Serpent from when Kratos threw it in the lake in order to wake him up, hence why the wound it caused stayed there and didn't heal.
@@lordgarmadon8597 exactly. So the second fight was Thor heavily weakened which is why kratos destroyed him and then Odin one shot him. So if it’s both at full strength it would be really close
I really like how in this fight Kratos counter Thor based on his previous experience, from the sequence of punches to tactics. But somethings people don't gives Thor credit for: - Thor tanked alot of damage dealt by Kratos, and Kratos had to throw EVERYTHING he had at Thor. Thor tanked three of the strongest weapons around and even a kitchen knife by the end to calm him down; - Thor was responding to every attack Kratos threw at him with just as much equal force. They are constatly back and forth at each other, with Kratos dealing more attacks and Thor dealing more impactful ones; - Before engaging Kratos, Thor was also dealing with everything outside of Asgard with only mortals as help. It seems even Ragnarok he was fighting, as you see Jormy and Ragnarok aiming at him; - In the final sequence of clashes, Thor was matching Kratos strenght, both were pushing each other away. Most likely reason why Mjolnir flew off his hand, was because of the short handle and not Thor's lack of strenght. Thor is probably the one of the few foes Kratos fought who was a worthy challenge. If Odin wasn't a terrible father, and Tyr trained Thor to be a proper warrior, he would had been equal if not more powerful than Kratos. Thor's main problem at the end, is that he was mentaly unstable and desparate to defend his realm and family, unlike Kratos who was focused and had his cause to fight. This whole situation was summed up by Tyr: "A man at war with himself places a deficit upon his focus. He is impatient, emotional, easily surprised. A man at one with himself has a clearer mind, sharper instincts. That man is ready to win. That man is ready to progress."
Many people forget the fact Thor was possibly poisoned by the venom of the world serpent imbued in the axe. For me, Faye knew that Kratos couldn't 1v1 against Thor under normal circumstances.
@@hitman2393the only problem I have with that is that Kratos killed all the Greek gods that are way stronger than any Norse gods, Greek gods were basically the personification of the sun, thunder, sea and so on, Zeus would solo all the Norse gods no problem and that's not counting the titans and even entities that control all destiny, Kratos killed them all. People forget that this Kratos is a non raged version of his younger self and his son is the one holding back all that anger and madness because his not trying to be a killer anymore but an example to his son and to all other people. Young Kratos would destroy any of them at ease
@@MAsOCLisMOThe thing that this argument assumes, is that a different culture's style of worship affects the power of their gods. Yes, the Greeks were exceptionally flashy and tied their deities directly to the forces of nature they had dominion over. No, that doesn't necessarily mean they're inherently stronger than more grounded gods like we see here in the North. In fact, we see a great example of how divine power converts between mythological domains... it's Kratos himself. We know what he did back home, and one of the things a lot of fans complain about is that the pantheon killer himself isn't doing as much bombastic, over the top BS as he used to. But he isn't less powerful, y'all. Things just operate differently in this domain! Kratos still does things that impress people of the area, you think just anybody could have operated the big mechanisms of Tyr's temple, for example? The world of this faith is more empowered than that of Greece. More importantly, the great figures of this world aren't the ones that embody those forces (primordial elementals excluded). No, the gods *harness* the powers of the world to amplify their own, personal might, which manifest as the virtues and vices of the *human experience.* Because to the people of this world, what's powerful is not just unattainable magic, it's anything that allows you to overcome the many threats that will come your way. Things are harsh here, you learn to respect the things that keep folks alive... so that's what gets empowered. I think that's all I got, now. My thoughts after seeing so many of the same arguments all over the place. Folks gotta stop walking into Danish McDonald's and saying their gyros suck 😂
@@IronianKnight Kratos not doing what he used to anymore because he does not want to be a killer and a monster, he holds himself back just a lot, his spartan rage now is what he was back in Greece, basically unstoppable, if any of the gods killed his son, we would see his old ways again
You ever think about doing a fighting style analysis on a particular character? Kratos's fighting style has always fascinated me. It's honestly one of my favorites in fiction. Would love to see you breakdown Kratos's martial skill, from his boxing to his grappling, etc.
Kratos has incredible battle intelligence and situational adaptation ability, with flawless technique with weapon or not. Might not be the easiest breakdown, but certainly one of the most fascinating
Great video, love it I would love to provide a point you missed at 1:12 kratos punched thor in the face and managed to knock him out for a split second mid air
I am a bit late to this , but at 4:31 we can see that with every clash, thor is getting pushed back more and more while kratos is basically in the same position.
People forget that kratos wasn’t just the god of war but also a general. He trained in strategic warfare and combat. Thor is just a big fat dude with a hammer, who hits hard.
@@BigJugsRule92 Actually Kratos states himself that Thor has hit him THE HARDEST out of ANY OPPONENT he’s ever fought. Also Thor is a warrior he trains..real warriors train to be idk a warrior. Sure Kratos is more skilled but Thor is skilled as well. At best Kratos is just more strategic than Kratos but in terms of brute strength clearly Thor wins there; don’t forget Thor ATE a full Spartan Rage right cross in the first fight and Thor was holding back.
@@wbharry374 in their second fight, kratos grabs hold of thors hammer and also throws it back at him. A hammer that’s said to be unstoppable once thrown. Not to mention he flipped the 9 realms temple in the first game, and all the feats he accomplished during the Greek saga, such as resisting the titans from crushing him, etc. he practically has infinite strength, especially from his rage.
I love this second fight so much, I know some people think that it's disappointing but it shows how close they actually are as warriors, Thor is exactly as younger Kratos was, he is impulsive, has a lot of rage and did some horrible things in his past, Kratos was actually destined to die by Thor's hands in Ragnarok but he break his fate by chosing to be better, that's the reason Kratos wins this fight, he already nows he's a monster, he accepted that he's done terrible things in his past but he needs to be better, he had more experience now and I love that Thor in the end becomes better by defying his father to save his family. Thor is one of my favorite characters of this franchise and I would love to see more of him.
@@cooperhayes1194No, he knocked him out. I know we got a death screen, but the place where Kratos was hit and lightning being the thing that resurrects him do not make sense. Electricity to the heart isn’t going to reverse blunt force trauma to the head 💀 💀
I was also a little confused on why Kratos went for the catch on Mjolnir but realised that it was better option out of the 2. Had he dodged and gone for Thor, Thor would've bonked him with the recall (like the first fight) where Kratos would've had to rely on luck to dodge which is 5050 at best. Thor's grapple, while not ideal, would've been easier to recover from as it'll bring the fight more close quarters which I'd argue is Kratos' strongest point. Great overview of the entirety of the fights tho. I just binged through the others 🤣
Pretty much what you said yeah, the reason why marvel’s Hercules is considered slightly more skilled than marvel’s Thor is due to his superior grappling abilities (being Greek and all)
Thor (canonically) heals every time he touches the hammer. This is why Kratos: 1. Stops the hammer from coming back to Thor and 2. Pins Thors hand to the ground, so he can't grab the hammer.
I think a lot of people are missing the more obvious reason why Kratos did that. Kratos has a history of not only beating Gods but also stealing their weapons and using it on them. He was gonna do that here too if Thor hadn't grabbed him.
This is basically the entirety of God Of War. It's kratos's resilience, persistence , drive and ability to find ways to win through weapons or environmental is what gives him the win. He's hardly ever the most 'powerfull' in the room.
@@bloodangel19 Although having said that, in terms of raw power, his overpowering the likes of Heracles and two mountain-sized Titans (Atlas in GoW2, Cronos in GoW3) definitely counts for something.
@@WonkyTonkBotty surely. But as of god of war 2018 he holds back most of his strength(he didn't rage once against thor in 2nd fight while he raged at least once against Baldur) so he mostly relies on his skills to weave and overwhelm.
Your videos are amazing, you deserve way more views. Your content added a lot of depth to the fights, really cool for someone like me who basically never watches any combat sports
Just got done watching all three of these. I think my favorite part about these videos is you highlighting that Kratos clearly has a specialty, which shows that the people in charge of the fight choreography took stuff like that into consideration.
Kratos ain't letting a Hammer Fly by around him. It would be like a 2v1 and you wouldn't want that. You'd rather have that hammer be in the hands of Thor and overpower him which he can fortunately.
In the first battle, Kratos didn't recognize Thor, and he was holding back a lot. Even Thor was aware of that, you can see it in his words. In the first battle, after Thor catches Kratos off guard and sends him flying, Kratos punches him many times in the face, but Thor continues as if he is not affected by any of them. Kratos loses consciousness as a result of 2 consecutive heavy blows from Thor and Thor only wakes him up by shocking him with his hammer. Then Kratos starts fighting a little harder. When Thor mentions Atreus, Kratos lands a concussive blow and they end the first battle there. As for the second battle, the beginning starts the same way, thor sends kratos flying with his hammer, then kratos stuns him with just 2 punches and forces him to land on the ground. From this we can easily understand that Kratos was holding himself extremely restrained in the first battle. Thor was not as calm as he was in the first battle because Asgard was under attack and he thought his daughter was in danger and he had orders from Odin to kill him. While Thor was pushing his potential, Kratos just wanted to talk, he just wanted to stop him, not kill him. So Kratos was holding back as usual. My guess is that in the first battle he was only using 5% to 7% of his power and in the second battle he was using 15% to 20% of his power. So this battle was not even close.
I've got to give it to sms, they might not have made the most epic thor fights scale wise but the choreography and attention to detail is surely worth something. Love these videos btw
Fun fact: If you activate Fury Spartan Rage in Thor fight, Mimir will try to tell Kratos to stay in controlled and he is able to reply back in perfect clarity. One more to note is that when in this rage, Kratos just shake off Mjolnir and having bounce off his body. This is impressive consider that Thor was able to knock Kratos out of Valor healing like how Hercules managed to do with Kratos Blade of Olympus in GoW 3.
4:38 You've missed a small detail that when Thor reacts to that smash it's certain that he toss his hammer out he wanted come back to snap for call the hammer.
This is sick. Can you possibly analyze some Final Fantasty 16 fights? Not only are those fights beautiful, but I think there is a lot to be said about them.
Great fight analysis man, Thor had that power and grappling but Kratos’ Battle IQ and skill in the pocket was enough to bring him ahead 😤 a solid 49-46 by Kratos, great stuff man!!
Man I love this style of videos. Hope you can do an analysis of Captain America vs Winter Soldier as well. Imo, that movie had the best fight choreography in the MCU. Would be interesting to see who you think won between their matches.
Honestly I feel like ppl forget Kratos killed Zeus he’s been struck by lightning so many times it just tingles even in the last god of war when Kratos was fighting the sons he just muscled through it
What I like about the Kratos vs Thor is the changin power dynamics. Their first encounter Kratos had still recently brushed off the rust from fighting Baldur, while Thor was just under his most powerful. Only really lacking due to his lack constant combat like Kratos, but also due to his mental health reaching its close critical falling collapse. In the second encounter Thor shows much more strength, power and control, but clearly doesn't have much heart in it. I think Thor knew Kratos had no intention of hurting his daughter from the begining. He just needed a physical vent. But at the same time Kratos is also for stronger, but significantly more mentally sound.
Its funny cause it looks like Kratos nearly knocks Thor out in the first couple punches. He does a massive stun at the very least. You mentioned that Thor was able to regain his posture in the clench but really he didn't. Kratos grabbed him to stay in the clench. If he didn't, Thor woulda been knocked down to the ground because he let go after Kratos struck him that 2nd time. That round wasn't even close imo. I personally don't think you can argue that one for Thor. Thor didn't really have many effective attacks outside of one of the energy blasts where he momentarily stuns Kratos. Kratos is used to handling lightening attacks so this is nothing new for him to power through. The last round is obvious that Kratos dominates too so I don't need to talk about that much, but the first round easily goes to Kratos to me. I think if there's one main thing you can take from all of these rounds, and even in the final results for stats, is that Kratos is the more skilled fighter overall. While he can match Thor physically, and I'd argue with evidence that Kratos actually showed on a number of occasions he's stronger, Kratos by far outclassed Thor with skill and that's what gave him this fight. One thing that should also be mentioned about this fight is that Kratos learned from his previous matches with Thor and that's why he dominated so much in these last couple matches. There's a couple moments in these matches where Thor tries a similar tactic to what he did in their first fight but Kratos easily escapes it and even reverses it. Like when he dodged Thor's melee strikes in round 4 and then reversed and pinned him against the wall giving him the opening to land multiple strikes. Only reason Thor was able to knock him away then was because Kratos let him go to punch him with the hand that was pinning him. I think Thor should count himself lucky that Kratos didn't use any of his rage. Outside of Kratos winning, this fight woulda went a lot differently if so.
The first time shouldn’t have been close. Thor caught Kratos off guard when he was trying to be a father and said that he wanted a better life for them
It's a shame we weren't able to fight on the same scale as in God of war 4 with baldur Imagine kratos and thor duking it out while on the body of jormungander
In the first fight Thor wanted to see the true god of War within Kratos he wanted to see the Spartan rage from the old days. While Kratos did not want to fight and was constantly and stupidly giving warnings to Thor and that ultimately gets him killed. In this fight Thor went all out and wants to kill Kratos but now Kratos does also not want to fight but now his intention is to defeat him and talk it out like gentlemen. And thats why he won this fight. But if Kratos went all out, it would be an entirely different story.
Kratos held back in this entire game all bro wants is peace and he respected Thor and understood he was being used if kratos displayed his true rage and inner brutality as he did in gow 3 against posiedon or zues these gods have no chance thus man is a literally god of war there is no beating him😭
Would you be up for a breakdown like this with the bosses from the game Soulstice? It's a game in line with stuff like Darksiders, DMC, Bayonetta and came out in 2022. It's a pretty awesome one.
Something very subtle that some people have see, is that Kratos adapted to Thors fighting style, as all hid moves he used in their first fight our countered accordingly by Kratos
I think everyone has just completely forgot that the devs have said that Kratos was holding back tremendously during all of the games cause it would be boring if you can just 1 shot everything
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Kratos catches the hammer in the second fight because in the first fight Thor used the recall to hit him in the back of the head. Kratos learned and refused to let the hammer go behind him and be stuck between the hammer and Thor.
No, in the second fight thor even hit kratos on the head with the mjölnir and kratos takes the hit like it's nothing, in their first fight kratos was simply holding back too much
@@jsmaelsartor595That's not _wrong_ exactly, but it wasn't the point of what they were saying. Kratos got hit by the hammer several times during that fight, and the blow to the back of the head wasn't what knocked him out.
What they were saying was that Kratos didn't want to have a repeat of when he was left vulnerable after the hammer recall, so he tried to stop it from going too far away. This is also one of Kratos' own tactics in gameplay, throwing the axe, fighting without it, then lining up for a recall that strikes or trips an enemy from behind, so he should be familiar with the idea.
@Michaeljefferson9000 true but his explanation sounds better cause it stays true to kratos lore accurate strength
@@Azeral7 "lore accurate strength" is a funny thing. Kratos was never supposed to be the most powerful being or anything like that. He's always been a character that always overcame things much larger and stronger than him, both literally and metaphorically. People who argue about lore and power scaling completely miss the point of the story and stuff like that. Discussions like Norse vs Greek gods strength never really mattered when telling the story. People get lost in that stuff especially in comic book stuff too when the whole time a writer/director is just gonna go with whatever fits the story in a logical way. If all fights were about power scaling, Kratos wouldn't have even beat Ares, let alone Zeus.
Nice
I love this. Also, I love how Kratos as a Spartan soldier, learns quickly how the enemy's fighting style is
Spartans are not known for that thought werent they? I thought they only really used the phalanx formation as much as possible and their army were mostly hoplite infantry men. They did have a small cavalry but they didnt even use them as a main fighting force most of the time.
@railroad_riley5084 Yes and no. Individual spartan soldiers 100% were capable of this as they were trained from a very young age through very dangerous methods how to survive and adapt, and this combined with always punching up while young fighting older boys meant from a young age they had to fight and adapt on the fly. The inability to this as a group unit is how they suffered some of their worst losses as it was realized that individual soldiers are dangerous but the formations used could be exploited and they won't change because they have always worked and assuredly always will..
There's also the fact that Kratos exploits Thor's Eitri poison wound as much as possible. Every time he punches him in the gut, it's always directly on the open wound, when he stabs him with the Blades of Chaos, it's exactly in the wound, when he stabs him for the second time with the spear, it's in the wound again, and same with the Leviathan Axe.
@@maxm.m.7219 I didn't even notice it
Plus Kratos isn’t exhausted from lack of sleep or worn down from two fights, and fully armed.
The pure adrenaline this fight had when I was playing was incredible
It really gets cut off when you die tho, i died 3 times in my first ever try and it felt less impactfull than it could have been
@@Poja_0811skill issue
@@LUNARBL00M i know, i sucked
Really, this fight was really underwhelming
@@PeachesandCream225if you were looking for Thor vs Kratos round 1 again, I don’t know what to tell you.
To me, this was a master class of 1 on 1 combat between two powerful beings
While I wanted more spectacle out of round 2, it’s grown on me. We finally get to see the Thor who wiped out the giants - a destroyer drunk off mead & blood. He is *absolutely pissed* thinking Kratos was gonna kill his daughter and the VA really nails it with that booming voice. Thor going full Led Zepplin mode never fails to give me chills. But Kratos definitely learned a thing or two from the first fight.
I like the emotions and music of the fight. For the first we see Kratos trying to reason with his opponent because he sees so much of himself in Thor.
Another thing to consider is that having the chaos blades on his body gives him a MASSIVE increase in raw strength, as shown by the comics.
@@basimali619Plus he also had the Draupnir Spear, so you can add another powerful divine weapon that would catch Thor off guard.
@@Lord_Simpwalker yes but, considering that most of the fight and Kratos tanking and overpowering Thor did NOT include draupnir, I doubt the result would be much different, just a slightly longer exchange between Kratos and Thor.
@@basimali619 I don't think the Blades were ever actually shown to add anymore strength to Kratos.
We need that kratos vs heimdal you got me scratching like a crack head
That's the one I definitely wanna see.
That's the best one in the game so I don't blame you😂
Yup true😂
This really makes me appreciate just how good the fight choreo is in these games, easy to miss in the moment. Even though its clear who wins, I think breaking down how Kratos adapts in his fight with Heimdall might be really cool- obvious winner, but how he gets there always fascinated me.
During this fight, unlike the first one, Kratos was completely locked in. He knows Atreus is safe during this, while during the first fight (not mentioned, just trying to use common sense here) he most likely was mostly thinking about the fact that Odin is with Atreus, which hindered his performance in a very big way. Of course, Kratos is also a monster when it comes to adapting to people’s fighting style. If you fight Kratos once and he survives, you’re screwed. It was showed in this fight the most. Barely anything worked that Thor did.
Spot on. It is difficult to focus on the fight if you are thinking of something else...
I also wanna add that right around 4:45 you can see kratos react to Thor trying to recall his hammer so he stabs the hand.
Plus, in theory, it’d act as a ground on Thor’s lightning power
Kratos was in total control of this fight
Round 4 and 5 yes only because Levi axe was straight thors kryptonite. Thats why he couldn’t heal from the wounds
@Fusion237 Ik its not really confirmed but I think the Axe was sprayed with venom of the World Serpent from when Kratos threw it in the lake in order to wake him up, hence why the wound it caused stayed there and didn't heal.
@@lordgarmadon8597 exactly. So the second fight was Thor heavily weakened which is why kratos destroyed him and then Odin one shot him. So if it’s both at full strength it would be really close
@@Fusion237 thor was really just a kratos who didn't change his ways
@@lordgarmadon8597your right he spits it back to him and gives it ITR whatever the venom is I just replayed 2018 so that connection is so cool
I really like how in this fight Kratos counter Thor based on his previous experience, from the sequence of punches to tactics. But somethings people don't gives Thor credit for:
- Thor tanked alot of damage dealt by Kratos, and Kratos had to throw EVERYTHING he had at Thor. Thor tanked three of the strongest weapons around and even a kitchen knife by the end to calm him down;
- Thor was responding to every attack Kratos threw at him with just as much equal force. They are constatly back and forth at each other, with Kratos dealing more attacks and Thor dealing more impactful ones;
- Before engaging Kratos, Thor was also dealing with everything outside of Asgard with only mortals as help. It seems even Ragnarok he was fighting, as you see Jormy and Ragnarok aiming at him;
- In the final sequence of clashes, Thor was matching Kratos strenght, both were pushing each other away. Most likely reason why Mjolnir flew off his hand, was because of the short handle and not Thor's lack of strenght.
Thor is probably the one of the few foes Kratos fought who was a worthy challenge. If Odin wasn't a terrible father, and Tyr trained Thor to be a proper warrior, he would had been equal if not more powerful than Kratos.
Thor's main problem at the end, is that he was mentaly unstable and desparate to defend his realm and family, unlike Kratos who was focused and had his cause to fight.
This whole situation was summed up by Tyr:
"A man at war with himself places a deficit upon his focus. He is impatient, emotional, easily surprised. A man at one with himself has a clearer mind, sharper instincts. That man is ready to win. That man is ready to progress."
Many people forget the fact Thor was possibly poisoned by the venom of the world serpent imbued in the axe. For me, Faye knew that Kratos couldn't 1v1 against Thor under normal circumstances.
@@hitman2393 Thor was also very likely drunk.
@@hitman2393the only problem I have with that is that Kratos killed all the Greek gods that are way stronger than any Norse gods, Greek gods were basically the personification of the sun, thunder, sea and so on, Zeus would solo all the Norse gods no problem and that's not counting the titans and even entities that control all destiny, Kratos killed them all.
People forget that this Kratos is a non raged version of his younger self and his son is the one holding back all that anger and madness because his not trying to be a killer anymore but an example to his son and to all other people. Young Kratos would destroy any of them at ease
@@MAsOCLisMOThe thing that this argument assumes, is that a different culture's style of worship affects the power of their gods. Yes, the Greeks were exceptionally flashy and tied their deities directly to the forces of nature they had dominion over. No, that doesn't necessarily mean they're inherently stronger than more grounded gods like we see here in the North.
In fact, we see a great example of how divine power converts between mythological domains... it's Kratos himself. We know what he did back home, and one of the things a lot of fans complain about is that the pantheon killer himself isn't doing as much bombastic, over the top BS as he used to. But he isn't less powerful, y'all. Things just operate differently in this domain! Kratos still does things that impress people of the area, you think just anybody could have operated the big mechanisms of Tyr's temple, for example? The world of this faith is more empowered than that of Greece.
More importantly, the great figures of this world aren't the ones that embody those forces (primordial elementals excluded). No, the gods *harness* the powers of the world to amplify their own, personal might, which manifest as the virtues and vices of the *human experience.* Because to the people of this world, what's powerful is not just unattainable magic, it's anything that allows you to overcome the many threats that will come your way. Things are harsh here, you learn to respect the things that keep folks alive... so that's what gets empowered.
I think that's all I got, now. My thoughts after seeing so many of the same arguments all over the place. Folks gotta stop walking into Danish McDonald's and saying their gyros suck 😂
@@IronianKnight Kratos not doing what he used to anymore because he does not want to be a killer and a monster, he holds himself back just a lot, his spartan rage now is what he was back in Greece, basically unstoppable, if any of the gods killed his son, we would see his old ways again
You ever think about doing a fighting style analysis on a particular character? Kratos's fighting style has always fascinated me. It's honestly one of my favorites in fiction. Would love to see you breakdown Kratos's martial skill, from his boxing to his grappling, etc.
Kratos has incredible battle intelligence and situational adaptation ability, with flawless technique with weapon or not. Might not be the easiest breakdown, but certainly one of the most fascinating
Don't forget kratos fighting style also include pankration
Those swings at 4:31 weren't stale mates, Thor was getting pushed back every time
Oh shit I never noticed that until now, nice eye
Thor isn’t built for long intense fights with Kratos.
need more like this bro genuinely
Great video, love it
I would love to provide a point you missed at 1:12
kratos punched thor in the face and managed to knock him out for a split second mid air
Facts!!! Great catch there.
Much appreciated for watching
Never once noticed that. Good catch
Yo, I never noticed that. Literally slept him midair and had to pull him back for seconds 😂
I am a bit late to this , but at 4:31 we can see that with every clash, thor is getting pushed back more and more while kratos is basically in the same position.
Was looking for this. It wasn't a stalemate, Thor was getting overpowered
People forget that kratos wasn’t just the god of war but also a general. He trained in strategic warfare and combat. Thor is just a big fat dude with a hammer, who hits hard.
Not really, he was a decent warrior once, after years of abuse I guess he just kinda gave up
@@zaqattack1423 huh?, gave up?. What are you on about?. He killed the Greek gods and many powerful warriors.
@@BigJugsRule92 I meant thor
@@BigJugsRule92 Actually Kratos states himself that Thor has hit him THE HARDEST out of ANY OPPONENT he’s ever fought. Also Thor is a warrior he trains..real warriors train to be idk a warrior.
Sure Kratos is more skilled but Thor is skilled as well. At best Kratos is just more strategic than Kratos but in terms of brute strength clearly Thor wins there; don’t forget Thor ATE a full Spartan Rage right cross in the first fight and Thor was holding back.
@@wbharry374 in their second fight, kratos grabs hold of thors hammer and also throws it back at him. A hammer that’s said to be unstoppable once thrown. Not to mention he flipped the 9 realms temple in the first game, and all the feats he accomplished during the Greek saga, such as resisting the titans from crushing him, etc. he practically has infinite strength, especially from his rage.
“What are you swinging at” took me to the floor
I love this second fight so much, I know some people think that it's disappointing but it shows how close they actually are as warriors, Thor is exactly as younger Kratos was, he is impulsive, has a lot of rage and did some horrible things in his past, Kratos was actually destined to die by Thor's hands in Ragnarok but he break his fate by chosing to be better, that's the reason Kratos wins this fight, he already nows he's a monster, he accepted that he's done terrible things in his past but he needs to be better, he had more experience now and I love that Thor in the end becomes better by defying his father to save his family. Thor is one of my favorite characters of this franchise and I would love to see more of him.
If you look at it one way, Kratos technically did die at Thor’s hands when they first fought
@@cooperhayes1194No, he knocked him out. I know we got a death screen, but the place where Kratos was hit and lightning being the thing that resurrects him do not make sense. Electricity to the heart isn’t going to reverse blunt force trauma to the head 💀 💀
@Lord_Simpwalker Thor revives his goats after killing them and picking their bones clean.
Thor killed Kratos. Base fact.
@@DarkoRavens so basically the devs were calling kratos the goat
@@Zilla922 Mutton for slaughter
Man this game is 🔥 and these fight breakdowns are tuff
I'd actually love to see this with fights from The Matrix. Specifically the 1v1's between Neo and Smith.
Oh we need that
Found your channel yesterday when the kratos vs baldur vid popped up on my recommended and you deserve more subs bro keep doing what you’re doing
My guy, I dig the hell out of these, don't stop.
I love this second fight so much, I know some people think that it's disappointing but it shows
I love the final fight shows how in control kratos is
yes finally! Thank you so much man! waiting for heimdall next :)
Heimdall wouldn’t work because he only landed one punch on kratos
@@dutchvanderlinde4653 then odin
nvm actually
Beautiful video cant wait for more in the future 😊
I was also a little confused on why Kratos went for the catch on Mjolnir but realised that it was better option out of the 2. Had he dodged and gone for Thor, Thor would've bonked him with the recall (like the first fight) where Kratos would've had to rely on luck to dodge which is 5050 at best. Thor's grapple, while not ideal, would've been easier to recover from as it'll bring the fight more close quarters which I'd argue is Kratos' strongest point. Great overview of the entirety of the fights tho. I just binged through the others 🤣
Pretty much what you said yeah, the reason why marvel’s Hercules is considered slightly more skilled than marvel’s Thor is due to his superior grappling abilities (being Greek and all)
Thor (canonically) heals every time he touches the hammer.
This is why Kratos: 1. Stops the hammer from coming back to Thor and 2. Pins Thors hand to the ground, so he can't grab the hammer.
I think a lot of people are missing the more obvious reason why Kratos did that. Kratos has a history of not only beating Gods but also stealing their weapons and using it on them. He was gonna do that here too if Thor hadn't grabbed him.
These fight commentry videos are really well done, keep them coming!
I think Thor Beats Kratosnin terms of raw physical power. Kratos edges him in speed, versatility and weapons
Agreed tho I think Spartan rage kratos beats Thor in power too
The hammer literally bounces off of him 😂
This is basically the entirety of God Of War. It's kratos's resilience, persistence , drive and ability to find ways to win through weapons or environmental is what gives him the win. He's hardly ever the most 'powerfull' in the room.
@@keifyboi6913 he is the most powerful by virtue of his skill, wits, experience, etc, but not by raw power.
@@bloodangel19 Although having said that, in terms of raw power, his overpowering the likes of Heracles and two mountain-sized Titans (Atlas in GoW2, Cronos in GoW3) definitely counts for something.
@@WonkyTonkBotty surely. But as of god of war 2018 he holds back most of his strength(he didn't rage once against thor in 2nd fight while he raged at least once against Baldur) so he mostly relies on his skills to weave and overwhelm.
Your break downs add so much to the fights and I get to enjoy them in a completely different way! Love the creativity, keep it up! *subscribed*
when you come back makse sure you do kratos vs baldur 2 and 3.
Will do!
try asura's wrath
i love your style. please make more of this
Bro these videos are so dope!!! Keep the train goin man much love!!
This video concept is so fucking cool, I would love to see this done for more games (Arkham maybe?)
Your videos are amazing, you deserve way more views. Your content added a lot of depth to the fights, really cool for someone like me who basically never watches any combat sports
I agree
this is awesome and refreshing keep it up man
bro this content is dope keep going
Just got done watching all three of these. I think my favorite part about these videos is you highlighting that Kratos clearly has a specialty, which shows that the people in charge of the fight choreography took stuff like that into consideration.
Kratos vs Heimdall next?
Same again. Post night shift viewing, what an analysis. Keep them uo.
Also , subscribed! 👑
"Unanimous decision" of 1 judge lmao
😂
Kratos ain't letting a Hammer Fly by around him. It would be like a 2v1 and you wouldn't want that. You'd rather have that hammer be in the hands of Thor and overpower him which he can fortunately.
I'm not even gonna lie dawg, this is your bag.
You should do more like this.
Love the series :D U gotta do the Kratos Vs Heimdall fight :D
In the first battle, Kratos didn't recognize Thor, and he was holding back a lot. Even Thor was aware of that, you can see it in his words. In the first battle, after Thor catches Kratos off guard and sends him flying, Kratos punches him many times in the face, but Thor continues as if he is not affected by any of them. Kratos loses consciousness as a result of 2 consecutive heavy blows from Thor and Thor only wakes him up by shocking him with his hammer. Then Kratos starts fighting a little harder. When Thor mentions Atreus, Kratos lands a concussive blow and they end the first battle there. As for the second battle, the beginning starts the same way, thor sends kratos flying with his hammer, then kratos stuns him with just 2 punches and forces him to land on the ground. From this we can easily understand that Kratos was holding himself extremely restrained in the first battle. Thor was not as calm as he was in the first battle because Asgard was under attack and he thought his daughter was in danger and he had orders from Odin to kill him. While Thor was pushing his potential, Kratos just wanted to talk, he just wanted to stop him, not kill him. So Kratos was holding back as usual. My guess is that in the first battle he was only using 5% to 7% of his power and in the second battle he was using 15% to 20% of his power. So this battle was not even close.
Always gonna take a shot at my favorite animes…
Goku vs Frieza being 90 rounds,
Opm gonna be so short…
Jjk… nahhhh how do you score a jumping?!
I've got to give it to sms, they might not have made the most epic thor fights scale wise but the choreography and attention to detail is surely worth something. Love these videos btw
Yoooo this vids go hard asf u gotta do this break downs more often fr
Fun fact: If you activate Fury Spartan Rage in Thor fight, Mimir will try to tell Kratos to stay in controlled and he is able to reply back in perfect clarity. One more to note is that when in this rage, Kratos just shake off Mjolnir and having bounce off his body.
This is impressive consider that Thor was able to knock Kratos out of Valor healing like how Hercules managed to do with Kratos Blade of Olympus in GoW 3.
keep going with thses, they're SICK
4:38 You've missed a small detail that when Thor reacts to that smash it's certain that he toss his hammer out he wanted come back to snap for call the hammer.
can you do hemidal next?
great videos, really looking forward to the future, the old gow games coming next?
This is sick. Can you possibly analyze some Final Fantasty 16 fights? Not only are those fights beautiful, but I think there is a lot to be said about them.
You gotta do more ufc style video games analysis. These are so good
These breakdowns are so cool
Yo this is great please do more of these im def subscribing
This is Awesome content. I hope this attracts all the gaming community as well as the fighting fans community. it's a beautiful mix of both.
Great fight analysis man, Thor had that power and grappling but Kratos’ Battle IQ and skill in the pocket was enough to bring him ahead 😤 a solid 49-46 by Kratos, great stuff man!!
This was great!
As an MMA fan and geek, this section is like a wet dream for me. Love your job dude
looks like you found your internet niche; this content is awesome! keep at it!
Man I love this style of videos. Hope you can do an analysis of Captain America vs Winter Soldier as well. Imo, that movie had the best fight choreography in the MCU. Would be interesting to see who you think won between their matches.
the only people who can give the spartans a run for their moeny is the dagestanis
We need to start asking "who can fight Kratos and reliably beat him
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@ 2:24
The reason Kratos can power through it is, well, he's the Son of Zeus, so he has some resistance to electricity
The Kratos glazing be crazy lol
Bro do kratos vs heimdall please kratos landed so good strikes in it.
Feel like these two are meant to be near equal with one mistake being the deciding factor
I seriously can't wait for kratos vs heimdal. That fight was legendary
Kratos was calm. Dude didn't even RAGE
Honestly I feel like ppl forget Kratos killed Zeus he’s been struck by lightning so many times it just tingles even in the last god of war when Kratos was fighting the sons he just muscled through it
You know we gotta see Kratos vs Heimdall next.
What I like about the Kratos vs Thor is the changin power dynamics.
Their first encounter Kratos had still recently brushed off the rust from fighting Baldur, while Thor was just under his most powerful. Only really lacking due to his lack constant combat like Kratos, but also due to his mental health reaching its close critical falling collapse.
In the second encounter Thor shows much more strength, power and control, but clearly doesn't have much heart in it. I think Thor knew Kratos had no intention of hurting his daughter from the begining. He just needed a physical vent. But at the same time Kratos is also for stronger, but significantly more mentally sound.
Abby vs Ellie fight analysis next pls from the Last of us Part II
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cant wait for the heimdal breakdown
Hes back at it again🔥
Letsgo goat just dropped peak analysis, nice editing too 🤫🙂↔️🗿👈
Its funny cause it looks like Kratos nearly knocks Thor out in the first couple punches. He does a massive stun at the very least. You mentioned that Thor was able to regain his posture in the clench but really he didn't. Kratos grabbed him to stay in the clench. If he didn't, Thor woulda been knocked down to the ground because he let go after Kratos struck him that 2nd time. That round wasn't even close imo. I personally don't think you can argue that one for Thor. Thor didn't really have many effective attacks outside of one of the energy blasts where he momentarily stuns Kratos. Kratos is used to handling lightening attacks so this is nothing new for him to power through. The last round is obvious that Kratos dominates too so I don't need to talk about that much, but the first round easily goes to Kratos to me.
I think if there's one main thing you can take from all of these rounds, and even in the final results for stats, is that Kratos is the more skilled fighter overall. While he can match Thor physically, and I'd argue with evidence that Kratos actually showed on a number of occasions he's stronger, Kratos by far outclassed Thor with skill and that's what gave him this fight. One thing that should also be mentioned about this fight is that Kratos learned from his previous matches with Thor and that's why he dominated so much in these last couple matches. There's a couple moments in these matches where Thor tries a similar tactic to what he did in their first fight but Kratos easily escapes it and even reverses it. Like when he dodged Thor's melee strikes in round 4 and then reversed and pinned him against the wall giving him the opening to land multiple strikes. Only reason Thor was able to knock him away then was because Kratos let him go to punch him with the hand that was pinning him. I think Thor should count himself lucky that Kratos didn't use any of his rage. Outside of Kratos winning, this fight woulda went a lot differently if so.
Gotta get a kratos vs Heimdall match
The first time shouldn’t have been close. Thor caught Kratos off guard when he was trying to be a father and said that he wanted a better life for them
It's a shame we weren't able to fight on the same scale as in God of war 4 with baldur
Imagine kratos and thor duking it out while on the body of jormungander
Kratos vs Heimdall please
I'm glad I stumbled on this channel❤❤
The second fight seemed more serious to me because it was clear that in the first fight, Thor was just testing Kratos to determine his abilities.
Don't know if you'd heard of Asuras Wrath but that's a good one for fights like these
In the first fight Thor wanted to see the true god of War within Kratos he wanted to see the Spartan rage from the old days. While Kratos did not want to fight and was constantly and stupidly giving warnings to Thor and that ultimately gets him killed.
In this fight Thor went all out and wants to kill Kratos but now Kratos does also not want to fight but now his intention is to defeat him and talk it out like gentlemen. And thats why he won this fight.
But if Kratos went all out, it would be an entirely different story.
I wanna see kratos Vs Heimdall broken down.
The prophecy that kratos would die at ragnarok did come true. The god he once was died so he could become the god he was destined to be
love the content
Yeah go ahead and drop some 2hr video essays please and thank you
Kratos held back in this entire game all bro wants is peace and he respected Thor and understood he was being used if kratos displayed his true rage and inner brutality as he did in gow 3 against posiedon or zues these gods have no chance thus man is a literally god of war there is no beating him😭
Would you be up for a breakdown like this with the bosses from the game Soulstice?
It's a game in line with stuff like Darksiders, DMC, Bayonetta and came out in 2022. It's a pretty awesome one.
You making Zeus vs Kratos next ? 😉😏probably scheduled to upload already, big ups
I wanna see this for the heimdall fight
Breakdown the Odin vs Thor fight 😂
Something very subtle that some people have see, is that Kratos adapted to Thors fighting style, as all hid moves he used in their first fight our countered accordingly by Kratos
I think everyone has just completely forgot that the devs have said that Kratos was holding back tremendously during all of the games cause it would be boring if you can just 1 shot everything