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HEY ERYBODY, we're trying out some new formats for the show! Starting with… Secret Histories!! Videogames about war are obviously super popular, and war itself is becoming more and more like a videogame (drones, anyone?). But do you know about the links between the government and the videogame industry, dating back almost 60 years?!?! Watch the episode and find out more!
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Target You (1950s Nuclear propaganda US Govt. film)
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Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film
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The MGM-31 Pershing Ballistic Missile Testing - ICBM Testing 1960s
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Tennis For Two - The second ever computer game (Low)
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Preparation for Nuclear War - Nevada Test Site - Soldiers at Ground Zero - 1950's
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The Nike Hercules Story 1960 Army Film
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1959 Donner 3500 Portable Analog Computer
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The Original Video Game
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Patsy Cline - I Fall to Pieces
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Chubby Checker - Pony Time
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Space War (1961) [Re-Uploaded]
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Gigantic Video Game Convention!
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Christmas Video Game RAGE!
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When you referenced Love Child, the parents weren't playing WoW, they were playing a Korean MMORPG called "Prius Online".
The grim, ironic aspect of it is that in Prius Online, you actually progress in the game by taking care of your virtual child.
Ah! Sorry about the mix up.
PBS Game/Show It's okay :D Thanks for replying! Love the show!
"We're supposed to be monitoring radiation. Let's play tennis on a computer."
I am happy that you've decided to expand the show, and im even happier that you're still keeping the original, that's how you do things properly.
5:25 "The action's so real you might forget it's a game." Guy goes back in time and shows people World of Tanks
[People freak out over someone showing up from over thirty years in the future instead]
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"Popular legend has it that, when this film was shown, the first-night audience fled the cafe in terror, fearing being run over by the "approaching" train." Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat (The Lumière Brothers, 1895)
PBS Game/Show [Goes back in time to show people stereoscopic 3D]
You totally set me up for that, didn't you?
Imagine if you could play against someone else with their own 2600 using Gameline (Atari's distribution service). Now show people from the 2600's time an online match against someone in World of Tanks.
1. I have to say I like the new type of episodes. I've learned a lot of new and interesting things about the history of gaming.
2. I come to another conclusion. Funding and scientific research were the important prerequisites, not the military. Games were always around, it's just that electronic games happened when we were electronically advanced enough.
First of all, Secret History of Videogames is something I think is an amazing idea and as this episode proved to me, it helps us understand the implications and trends of modern gaming.
I personally don't play realistic war games (or even watch films or read historical books about real war) because they make me anxious about irl attitudes towards physical violence. That said, knowing that the vg industry is a product of military technology makes me hopeful for the by-products of an otherwise terrifying institution that could lead to more peaceful ones as we see in modern games like MGS4, that despite being centred around war focus on why war is bad, and even penalise characters for unnecessary violence.
I like this. I wouldn't mind seeing an episode every now and then that leans more toward being informative.
I personally love the idea of this series!!
Secret History is awesome, you should definitely keep it up! It's like watching the History Channel, but the topic is something I'm actually interested in!
Loved the episode. Loved the ending. I guess the only thing to worry about is how far the military will take all these new ideas. Inception comes to mind.
Your final comment about "showing a middle finger to your parents" made me chuckle. When I was a kid, my parents would often nag about the fact that all I ever play are "games about killing people" (mom) and that I should "take a break and go out" (dad). They didn't really treat the hobby with much respect.
Well, in 2011 I started working in the video games industry, so... yeah. Turns out my hours spent gaming were actually worth something, yes? :)
You've seen this? :) www.filteredmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/farside-hopeful-parents.gif
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6:47 - 6:49 : The fastest hair trim I've ever seen.
I remember back when local news were talking about violent video that video games came from the military and it true. However, they said it was to train their soldiers which as this video shows is not true.
Thanks guys.
Fun fact Robert Baer also made Simon , yes the man that created the home console made one of the most addicting games ever
Knowing the military connection with video games really doesn't change how I feel about them. After all, as you pointed out, the military is responsible for lots of technology we use every day.
I think the biggest issue is keeping a clear line between fiction and reality. Playing a game about shooting tanks is making pixels interact with other pixels in amusing ways. Actually shooting tanks involves real human cost. I do worry that people piloting drones can feel as detached from their mission as if they're playing a game, and it makes me wonder if gaming thrives too much on violence. It makes me all the more eager to see more diverse genres get funded, promoted, and widely played.
Wow. The video where the speaker doesn't try to make an argument IS ALSO this channel's best-rated video.
Okay.
I really like this new "secret history" format! More of this would be cool!
This was very interesting! Definitely keep these types of episodes coming.
Bahaha, that ending.
Don't tell my mom.
I shall tell her that as well as much, much more...
... My Son.
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Romeo MacTavish Darth Vader NO!
Actually enjoy this Secret History episode more than the typical episode structure (and that's saying something, since I love PBS idea/game channels ;D). Keep up the great work!
you have awesome taste in skater footage. Richie Jackson for life
great episode, i think secret history would lead to a lot of great episodes potentially!
Please make this a series.
Very informative, and while it may not exactly be a discussion or an idea education is the first step to such activities. Well done, I hope for more in the future!
Loved this type of episode! I would love to have more videos like this!
As a former military man myself (6 years US Navy), I knew some of this background, and found the rest interesting. That said, most of us from the military tend to chuckle at the idea of a shooter or FPS being used for any sort of training, while at the same time a bit uncomfortable with it. The FPS minimizes the consequence of death via respawns and the like. Even Counter Strike, when you're shot, you're only out for the remainder of that round. While annoying, it's hardly the same level of consequence. This often bothers those from the military side of things, because it minimizes the cost of OUR lives, the ones actually doing the combat, and gets those in charge, especially, a sense of being able to throw away the low tier "grunts" because they are disposable. So it's a double edged sword from both perspectives. It does have it's training uses, but the infamous "desensitization" problem would rear its head in multiple ways as well.
The militarization of videogaming is an effective method to desensitize players from a young age to the violence of the perpetual warfare that is being enacted by the military industrial complex on a global scale.
It is a sad phenomenon.
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Keep doing these kinds of videos they're really good
All i gotta say is awesome. I think its cool all the things the military has done for and with video games. I actually think its cool the similarity between using unmanned aerial vehicles(drones is such a dirty word now), robots, remote controlled gun turrets on vehicles ect. These systems take soldiers out of harms way. The similarity to video games also really appeals to the current and next generation of soldiers who will use these systems and feel comfortable with them because of their time as a gamer in their childhood. GO ARMY.
3:44 that image looks familiar....hrmmmm
My favourite part of this video is when you introduced the 50s and rounded up your mini description of the time with: "Worse, there weren't any fun videogames to play."
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Don't think I wouldn't catch that! It made me laugh and I sorta agree. xD If you at least had fun videogames to play, it could help take your mind off of war.
Well I'd hardly call publicly available knowledge "secret", but a solid presentation in all. Excellent work, as always.
I really like this (possible) series. Keep it up!
My parents limited my access to video games. It certainly made me get more hooked when I moved out, because I didn't know how to practice moderation.
This just made me think of a deeper question: What if the military specifically designs games (without the public knowing) to "Test" other players without them knowing, as well.
EX: Imagine if ARMA was made secretly with the government's intention. What if they secretly spectated the top/best players to see their Combat Techniques and used that information for studies, or even asked those players to join the Armed Forces?
so the government is the reason half life 3 is not confirmed?! :O
It's not a secret, it was developed first for the US Army as a combined arms simulator. Check their website.
Crexxer, is that a problem though. If the military wants to make a playable game that they also use to learn new ideas. As for recruiting they are required to call i think 80% of a high schools students to see if they are interested in enlistment. Honestly your idea sounds cool.
thats brilliant!!!
we teach the government how to do things fucking noobs
The militarization of videogaming is an effective method to desensitize players from a young age to the violence of the perpetual warfare that is being enacted by the military industrial complex on a global scale.
It is a sad phenomenon.
I put off watching this video for a while, thinking I already knew about the history of gaming. I was super wrong, and found this video really fun. Thanks for making it! I'm not sure if this is the sort of content I want out of this channel specifically, but it's certainly content I enjoy.
I really liked this episodes for this new series! Definitively looking forward to new videos like this! Keep up the good work.
I feel like it was talked about before but I forget the episode. It would be nice to see an episode on why we are so drawn to military games. I don't nessicarily mean just the modern shooter, but anything where military combat is a major part of it, like RTSs as well.
Just a neat bit of trivia on the robot controller. The original controller was this huge bulky thing that was like it was out of Mech Commander and was very difficult to learn how to use. So one of the techs in the field grafted a PlayStation 3 controller into the input for the drone and suddenly everyone who used it learned how to operate the robot perfectly in less than a half-hour of messing around with it. The result was the military quickly contracting Microsoft to design the input controller for all their robots. Hence, the reason why all the military robots have Xbox controllers.
It was simply a great example of the field grunts knowing what they need better than the Brass. Like the brush guards tank crews made for their Shermans in WW2. Pure battlefield ingenuity.
If you're into video games with any kind of mind for their history, these aren't really big secrets. I like the format, but I'd like to see something deeper. The topic is a good one, but unfortunately most of these "secrets" are pretty transparent and well known. Maybe an angle on the real psychological affect of military shooters. If there's any data on that of course.
this is really cool, maybe one of each show a week? ^^
You know, I didn't think of it last night but this episode about the link between the military and video games reminds me of The Last Starfighter. When you beat the high score in the video game you are abducted by aliens and recruited into an intergalactic air force (or I guess space force would be more accurate.) "Greetings Starfighter, you have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada!"
Episode was great. More of this sort of thing please.
I'm totally fine with episode like this one. As long as I'm learning and entertained I'm happy!
My HSIE class watched Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film just the other day!
I like this kind of episode... You should definitely do more of that!
This was an interesting video, although as a huge nerd of videogame history I knew most of this history already.
There is so much interesting history that is not commonly known that connects so much of our lives and the people in them.
I actually did a similar video regarding secret histories, mine was about the rise 80's Saturday morning cartoons, it's called "The Secret History of Saturday Morning Cartoons"
It looks at how franchises like G.I. Joe and Transformers were started, and why they're weren't really cartoons like that before on US TV.
I love your guys' videos.
I think these types of informal videos are something to pursue. As for this topic, I think it would be interesting to shed more light on how the usage of how drone pilots could possess the same non-attachment empathy that you would find in any war driven game such as the Call of Duty series. The only unfortunate aspect would be that the death factor & 'high scores' is a very real situation on the conscious level and leads to questioning if it is in-humane for the military to take advantage of the same kind of disconnects featured in online games?
Honestly I expected at least a mention about VBS 2 and Arma. For those that don't know, Arma is a simulator series with with infantry, mechanized and Aerial combat with realism in mind. It's made by Bohemia Interactive and is open to the civilian market. VBS is a combat simulator made by a coalition of developers including Bohemia Interactive, and if you didn't know any better and saw two screen shots of VBS 2 and Arma 2 side by side, you would think it was the same game. Though VBS 2 is far more in dept when it comes to vehicles. Every feature, and every button (in game buttons not mouse and keyboard button) works and will function in game. VBS is meant to train people how to use military equipment as well as run combat drills. It's used by multiple nations' military.
Another great episode keep the good work up
I think that this show will really benefit from more episodes in a format like this. Not every episode has to follow the Idea Channel model.
I completely agree that gaming can be an addiction. I lost a best friend because he cared more about gaming than he did about me.
Hey, I have a few suggestions for a video and they're pretty well linked together. How close are we to true virtual reality video games, sort of like the Sword Art Online (SAO) novel/manga/anime, how long do you predict it will be until we actually develop video games that far, and do you think it could be as dangerous as it is in SAO? It'd be a brilliant development because we are generally looking for more realistic games, but we don't want to move around, e.g. Kinect. If games were to become like SAO then we'd get the realism and we'd do it all just from laying on our beds.
Really cool episode :) I like the idea of scheduling some weeks for some "proper" lessons on videogame history, functioning and alike. Keep it up
I like the idea, but I think I still prefer the old format -- since I love the new content and spin that Game/Show brings to the world. But I am a sucker for history too. I wouldn't mind one of these a month.
A few words to America's Army: The interesting/scary thing about was that it was first free to download and second you always played as an American army soldier and the enemy was always a foreign army, no matter which side you were on.
I think this shows more than anything just how much money goes into the military. The main influence I noticed that the military has had here is that the military gets all the funding and people have used that funding to develop games (among a myriad of other things). This is a testament to just how much money goes to the military; it's so much that the "leftovers" have been sufficient to develop a myriad of technologies that have changed the world.
man I remember in 2007 training for convoy operations with a head piece similar to the Occulus Rift thing that is about to be released soon.
Loved the format!
Super interesting stuff.
Best closing statement so far.
Playing an instrument is an exercise. Be it a wind, string, or percussion instrument.
But I was responding to the specific comment that playing Minecraft *isn't* exercise. In that sense, playing an instrument is as much of an exercise compared to running around....unless you're in a marching band.
For clarity, what are the specific characteristics required for something to count as an exercise? Playing an instrument isn't what people often think of when they hear exercise, but it might posses some of those qualities thank you use to define something as such.
I love the new sub-format! Looking forward to new ones.
Great Video. Looking forward to the next Secret History!
That's a great idea! You guys should continue doing the new videos and the normal ones of course!
I've heard of Army recruiters going to Battlefield tournaments and recruiting players who often piloted drones and quad rotors in the games. If the recruiters thought the player had sufficient skill piloting a drone in the game, they would approach the player and see if they wanted to do it in real life for the military.
I prefer this facts and ideas, bound more to the real world. In contrast to the regular format of the show, where info is more abstract.
This was actually really interesting, as I saw a lot of this footage recently in Social Studies, especially that nuclear bomb test and cartoon.
Her is an idea:-
How about a military game with a strong anti war message or using games as a medium of sending a message. There are quite emotional moments in video games which can be utilised to send messages. Instead of just showing how badass merican soldiers are or how bad the Russians are, we can portray how bad war is.
There was a conspiracy theory going around when I was in high school that the government was using shows like Lost and Law & Order to find kids passionate about detective stories and deductive reasoning in order to hone those skills to create... super spy agents, or whatever. Now, I find it a bit ridiculous myself, but there's also a good point there. Can games hone skills that the government finds useful? If you played, say, 2000 hours of CoD, would that make you a decent sniper? If you lead a lot of co-op multiplayer games that require a team working together, does that mean you'd make a good sergeant?
Yup! www.ibm.com/ibm/files/L668029W94664H98/ibm_gio_gaming_report.pdf
"there was constant paranoia of nuclear apocalypse, and worst of all there was no fun video games."
this was very insightful. dope stuff
"Love Child" was a very interesting movie. Just a small nitpick, it wasn't WoW but rather "Prius". Really enjoying the show, keep up the great work! :)
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I don't see a problem with it. For as long as there's violence we are going to need an army, and it's good for our army to get the best training they can get.
6:45 to 6:53 nice haircut
My brother in the US Army Reserves had the oprotunity to do his rifle qualification on a virtual range. The gun looked, felt, and recoiled just like the real thing but didn't use bullets. You'd shoot at targets on a projector screen. We've come a long ways since Duck Hunt haven't we.
The question isn't should the military be funding video games, but are we all being secretly trained for the type of fighting we'll see in WWIII?
awesome video, super informative!
Back when Wikileaks released the footage of the American helicopter pilots shooting at civilians, Julian Assange commented that the footage looked just like a videogame. This wasn't likely meant as a criticism of videogames, but rather the current state of warfare. If you take a screen shot from the footage and place it next to one from say the "Death from Above" mission in CoD4 there are eerie similarities.
My parents didn't let me have video games either! I lived through my friends. :) Nice to know I'm not alone.
I enjoy this, please do more
that ending I like 9.9/10
Just dance part got me.
LOVE IT.
I like this series and would like to see more
3:53 Oh my god! Richie Jackson! One of the funnest pro-skaters to watch.
great video mate
Nice episode, I hope next episodes will be wider, geographicly speaking ^^
Maybe the reason Jamin likes video games so much is BECAUSE he wasn't allowed to play them as a kid. I know I got grounded a lot and video games were an easy thing for my mom to take away, and I was pretty much addicted to my NES and Atari 2800 back in the day lol. But alcoholic beverages were encouraged in my house, even when I was 6-7, but I don't like drinking at all now that I'm older... Seems like prohibition causes addiction to me.
3:53 How awesome was that skate trick, though?
Love the new series!
Complete emotional breakdown playing Contra, woa! Was it because of the Gigeresque monsters?
Its too bad you ended up missing out on things, but at least, as far as reasons go to keep a kid from playing games, it seems somewhat reasonable.
Nah, just didn't share well is all.
Omg that cat doe.
And it saddens me that i wont be alive to see deep space travel and giant titan class robots. ;_;
this was great
if future of real warfare will be like games... we will speak Korean, just start learning it now.
the very first video games along with other groundbreaking technologies have been made as by products of the military research and funding, is because it's one of the things that the worlds largest superpowers spend the most money on, America spends billions of dollars in the military, there's a huge thirst for power from superpowers and the military is the primary tool of gaining power as a country,it is very sad how a country can't spend that much or almost as much money for general research into technology like this or implementing said technologies into the everyday lives of you and me, without a center on invading peoples privacy and killing people.
Excellent point.
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I kinda like this. Keep it up.
i hope u do more of this vids THX
8:35 did you guys left a blooper in the video?
love it need more