Your right, it's a problem, now think about it we vets did the whole game without any team up kiosk. In my view, no team up was better, as a result we had competent players, not players who rage quit or can't work with people
I understand this. I would say a quick fix would be if * you team up with others in questing you must complete the entire run or you get a penalty and if you select farming you only team up with farming players. Like turning on friendly wizard and turning it off. Select that you are a questing wizard to be obligated to go through the entire dungeon and only team with those who have that same selection. Of course kiosk team helpers can do either or.
Yea, if an individual teams up for a dungeon, the expectation should be that they are there till the end. There are so many options for building a farming team like LFG's or using discord and in game chat to find a team before you even step food in a dungeon. It's just too easy for people to not care and join a random lobby and get away without getting a timer when it takes 10 minutes to kill the first boss.
Tbh I have quested 3 wizards beyond darkmoor and every time I've gotten the athame while farming for the mali set :P But I get the pain, the lengths that I had to go to find a team that would just do Aphrodite is just insane. They either need to remove aphrodite from the dungeon onto a separate sigil, or just make a teamup option for a partial dungeon run. I am hopeful tho, the new test realm saw them revamping the bank, something that was a big issue and quite a clutter, so hopefully they do a fix for teamup soon.
Yea, Like there are so many options to build a team to farm a specific boss rather than bum a run off of other people who are trying to do the full thing. Like, I go out of my way to set up a discord chat or lfg rather than team up randomly and hope for the best when farming. Or I run around screaming in caps for "FARMING X-BOSS NEED X MORE PEOPLE" in the commons lol
They should enable something like a group chat when the team up system finds a party. Or also enable filter by level ranges as well in the team up screen
Yea they need a system where you can inspect your team before the match starts so you can kick people if you're the party leader to save spots for people who you actually want to join your run.
I've farmed so many bosses that have this 'issue' and only a handful of times people have left like that, even if it's just one person who leaves, all of the bosses can be farmed with three people. You may just need to change your strat. There's also the team-up penalty thing they added, so it's not like leaving team-ups when you've entered the dungeon has gone unpunished. And for Aphrodite, if you get a team up that is wanting to do that battle and leave, I would take it, hands down. That's a difficult battle and the rewards from that battle alone would make up for any team-up wanting to just do that battle.
Even still the team up system needs an overhaul so that people who are going to have a teamup have better communication and understanding of what their goals are. I remember farming darkmoor on two other characters and soon I'm going to farm it on a third. Farming darkmoor sucks, its cool and rewarding the first couple times you do it then it becomes a massive pain when people leave after the first fight, which maybe too you didnt happen to much, but I remember it happening all the time. This same thing applies with waterworks after the first boss that drops the hat. Also I remember yea even with only three people you would still try to run the dungeon, but it was always that much harder and sometimes we just lose the final boss fight if the team sucked enough.
I do agree with you, but I think this might not be at total fault of Kingsisle on this one, I would say that this is more of a problem on the player-base side, cause when you think about it, these guys aren't being all that "considerate," When you go into dungeons like this, where it's REALLY hard to near impossible to beat on your own and you need a team and with that team everyone has the responsibility of making sure everyone is carrying their weight, that means also going through the entire dungeon even if you might not even feel like it, cause you have to assume that everyone is trying to go all the way through and get some items they're looking for as well.
Yea, I feel you. Honestly I just wanted to make this because this is a problem that I see happen allot with dungeons that are worth farming. I totally don't mean to blame KI or the DEVS, they are just the ones I can really try to address this issue to. I'm not saying it's their fault, I just meant to say that they've shown that they have the ability to remove this issue based on their prior dungeon designs.
@@GodlySeafood Yeah, I get what you mean. In the end, it was good that you brought this matter up, cause it certainly is a problem and has been one for quite some time now and like you mentioned hopefully if they end up seeing this video, they'll come up with a solution/compromise to fix this.
Maybe I’m insensitive to the topic, but personally I don’t see this as a big deal at all. At this point in time I’ve quested 10 maxes, and for each wizard I maybe encountered this problem once or twice. Is it an inconvenience? Yes however in my personal experience this rarely ever happens. Usually people who farm Aphrodite will have the brains to realize they need to form their own party dedicated for it, and at this point in the game you do not need full mali gear only the robe. At 125 you get cabalist and athame farming is much easier on Morganthe then yvgenny. This is even less of an inconvenience if you have a questing duo or are boosting yourself, at that point this problem is non existent as even with mediocre gear you could make it to novus and the Novus final dungeon doesn’t require you to have good stats in the slightest. The only way I see this being a real serious problem is if someone doesn’t want to move past level 100 or is doing level 100 pvp and their best option is to farm darkmoor.
There seems to be this misconception that for mount Olympus waterworks darkmoor and dragoon that you need to farm the whole set before continuing to quest, but it couldn’t be further from the truth
Your right, it's a problem, now think about it we vets did the whole game without any team up kiosk. In my view, no team up was better, as a result we had competent players, not players who rage quit or can't work with people
I understand this. I would say a quick fix would be if * you team up with others in questing you must complete the entire run or you get a penalty and if you select farming you only team up with farming players. Like turning on friendly wizard and turning it off. Select that you are a questing wizard to be obligated to go through the entire dungeon and only team with those who have that same selection. Of course kiosk team helpers can do either or.
Yea, if an individual teams up for a dungeon, the expectation should be that they are there till the end. There are so many options for building a farming team like LFG's or using discord and in game chat to find a team before you even step food in a dungeon. It's just too easy for people to not care and join a random lobby and get away without getting a timer when it takes 10 minutes to kill the first boss.
Tbh I have quested 3 wizards beyond darkmoor and every time I've gotten the athame while farming for the mali set :P
But I get the pain, the lengths that I had to go to find a team that would just do Aphrodite is just insane. They either need to remove aphrodite from the dungeon onto a separate sigil, or just make a teamup option for a partial dungeon run.
I am hopeful tho, the new test realm saw them revamping the bank, something that was a big issue and quite a clutter, so hopefully they do a fix for teamup soon.
Yea, Like there are so many options to build a team to farm a specific boss rather than bum a run off of other people who are trying to do the full thing. Like, I go out of my way to set up a discord chat or lfg rather than team up randomly and hope for the best when farming. Or I run around screaming in caps for "FARMING X-BOSS NEED X MORE PEOPLE" in the commons lol
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They should enable something like a group chat when the team up system finds a party.
Or also enable filter by level ranges as well in the team up screen
Yea they need a system where you can inspect your team before the match starts so you can kick people if you're the party leader to save spots for people who you actually want to join your run.
I've farmed so many bosses that have this 'issue' and only a handful of times people have left like that, even if it's just one person who leaves, all of the bosses can be farmed with three people. You may just need to change your strat. There's also the team-up penalty thing they added, so it's not like leaving team-ups when you've entered the dungeon has gone unpunished. And for Aphrodite, if you get a team up that is wanting to do that battle and leave, I would take it, hands down. That's a difficult battle and the rewards from that battle alone would make up for any team-up wanting to just do that battle.
Even still the team up system needs an overhaul so that people who are going to have a teamup have better communication and understanding of what their goals are. I remember farming darkmoor on two other characters and soon I'm going to farm it on a third. Farming darkmoor sucks, its cool and rewarding the first couple times you do it then it becomes a massive pain when people leave after the first fight, which maybe too you didnt happen to much, but I remember it happening all the time. This same thing applies with waterworks after the first boss that drops the hat. Also I remember yea even with only three people you would still try to run the dungeon, but it was always that much harder and sometimes we just lose the final boss fight if the team sucked enough.
I never had an issue with that.
I do agree with you, but I think this might not be at total fault of Kingsisle on this one, I would say that this is more of a problem on the player-base side, cause when you think about it, these guys aren't being all that "considerate," When you go into dungeons like this, where it's REALLY hard to near impossible to beat on your own and you need a team and with that team everyone has the responsibility of making sure everyone is carrying their weight, that means also going through the entire dungeon even if you might not even feel like it, cause you have to assume that everyone is trying to go all the way through and get some items they're looking for as well.
Yea, I feel you. Honestly I just wanted to make this because this is a problem that I see happen allot with dungeons that are worth farming. I totally don't mean to blame KI or the DEVS, they are just the ones I can really try to address this issue to. I'm not saying it's their fault, I just meant to say that they've shown that they have the ability to remove this issue based on their prior dungeon designs.
@@GodlySeafood Yeah, I get what you mean. In the end, it was good that you brought this matter up, cause it certainly is a problem and has been one for quite some time now and like you mentioned hopefully if they end up seeing this video, they'll come up with a solution/compromise to fix this.
Maybe I’m insensitive to the topic, but personally I don’t see this as a big deal at all. At this point in time I’ve quested 10 maxes, and for each wizard I maybe encountered this problem once or twice. Is it an inconvenience? Yes however in my personal experience this rarely ever happens. Usually people who farm Aphrodite will have the brains to realize they need to form their own party dedicated for it, and at this point in the game you do not need full mali gear only the robe. At 125 you get cabalist and athame farming is much easier on Morganthe then yvgenny. This is even less of an inconvenience if you have a questing duo or are boosting yourself, at that point this problem is non existent as even with mediocre gear you could make it to novus and the Novus final dungeon doesn’t require you to have good stats in the slightest. The only way I see this being a real serious problem is if someone doesn’t want to move past level 100 or is doing level 100 pvp and their best option is to farm darkmoor.
There seems to be this misconception that for mount Olympus waterworks darkmoor and dragoon that you need to farm the whole set before continuing to quest, but it couldn’t be further from the truth
This has been a thing everyone has known for ages, nothing new. There is a reason text chat exists. Sucks but why complain now.
listen dude for time being just ask your friends to help