The US School System Was Designed to Create Factory Workers | Jeff Sandefer
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Jeff Sandefer is an entrepreneur and Socratic teacher. He started his first business at 16 and graduated from Harvard Business School. Jeff has started and runs many successful companies, his most recent being Sandefer Capital Partners, an oil and gas investment firm with several billion dollars in assets. He has also started multiple academic programs and schools, such as the Acton School of Business, whose students were named the “most competitive MBA’s in the nation” by the Princeton Review. This has since extended into k-12 with the Acton Academy, a cutting-edge program that blends a one-room schoolhouse, the Socratic Method, and 21st-century technology to empower each student to change the world.
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My sons were always in trouble in school. They were so bored! They were dare devils and wanted to jump off buildings and trees and the teachers hated them for their energy. The teachers pushed HARD for me to diagnose and medicate them and I refused. The boys grew up and joined the military and are doing jobs that require them to jump off things and take risks. And they are successful at it. Teachers wanted to make them conform and they wouldn’t. And now those boys are protecting their freedom with the very traits that the teachers tried to destroy.
Thank you for raising your children correctly!.
@@randaldresselhaus8339 Not only that, but THANK YOU for not psycho-medicating them and thereby destroying their future chances at enlistment.
I have a similar story. I was a social outcast in school and it caused me to get into a lot of fights. The principal called my mother and tried to get her to put me on Ritalin. Instead of doing this, my mother told me about the call she received. The next day, I (a boy of 13) barged into the principal's office and raised hell with the principal for trying to get my parents to drug me.
the flip side of that is the traits you described suggest a personality disorder, which spells prison time for anyone who doesn't go fight in wars. i'm a Jarhead myself. but i'm also a mental health professional. civilians associate Marines with lunacy. the leading cause of death for military personnel is training accidents, with suicide coming in close second. check the stats: more than twice as many ppl die via non-combat, stateside causes than in combat. and in times of peace, the numbers of deaths stay consistent with 100% having nothing to do with defending the country but rather due to negligence and failure to address the underlying mental illnesses of ppl who sign up.
By joining the army they conformed
I made a career change at into Tech at the age of 30. I entered the job with a, "I'm very green" type of metnatlity and said thank you every time someone corrected my work and gave me some tips and advice. I truly believe that my learning became exponential when my other coworkers saw this. People tend to love to show others how much they know and their special method of doing things. 5 years later I'm in a head position and planning on opening my own business soon. Vigorous curiosity partnered with humility can be a lethal combination.
I am so excited for you!! Succes is yours!
Damn you just inspired me!!!!😊
yep, i always respected and deferred to the old guys, so they wanted to show you their secrets. now I'm "an old guy", and the new guys are PATHETIC, and lazy
that is awesome my man! can confirm that if you want to learn you will go far, embrace saying "idk how to do this". people that do know will be excited to show you. speaking from experience as a pro idiot
"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers." - John D. Rockefeller. Rockefeller gave the National Education Board 129 million dollars in 1902 making that statement. This is where this began.
Yup
Fuck Rockefeller! Chased wealth his whole life and where's he at now? Can't take it with you.
Began with the Prussian empire where the system originates from but yes he used it too.
Exactly !
I was homeschooled for most of my k-12 career and now I'm a Machinist in the firearms manufacturing industry. I love making products for Americans and I take great pride in contributing to the success of this country.
How did you start your career in the machining industry, most especially with firearms manufacturing? That’s my dream. However, I’m currently working in the mental health field. It’ll probably be another 10 years till I’ll even be able to get the funds to learn machining and get my own hobbyist CNC machine.
we appreciate your contribution! we need a "buy American" movement
You are creepy !!!!
@@richardmunger6553 98IQ moment
Did you go to Murray State?
I can remember sitting at my desk in school, listening to my teacher talk about the importance of freedom, liberty and justice for all, and wondering why then, I was not encouraged to freely think or encouraged to pursue meaningful (to me!) curiosities. My memories seem to be around age 8-9.
Rather, we traced maps, learned about pilgrims...and all that. I was bored, frustrated and unrelentingly curious.
I remember having instructions on history at one point, and when I got into high school, Social Studies was in its place. 1997 was a weird time.
Reagan and thatcher's neoliberalism made the lives of billions of people an unbearable hell they caused much bigger pain than Hitler ever could do.
so what are you doing now?
What would you consider a proper education?
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The gentleman Dr. Peterson intended to reference was "John Taylor Gatto," not "Paul Goti" (an absolutely forgivable oversight). If one reads Gatto's works (or watches his lectures here on RUclips), it will reshape the way you consider your early childhood traditional schooling-at least, for those of us in the United States. (Note the intentional use of the term "schooling" rather than "education"; Gatto's works explicitly elucidate the distinction between the two.) "Dumbing Us Down" by Gatto is probably a good place to start. "The Underground History of American Education" (the work to which Dr. Peterson specifically refers) is a good, subsequent in-depth study on the topic.
Thanks for that information.
JTG is a legend. If you read his history of American schooling and aren't terrified you need to rethink your life.
I remember my kindergarten and first grade teachers thought it was better to teach me how to write with my right hand instead of my dominant left hand instead of anything useful because I was the only kid in class who was left handed, my childhood schooling was very depressing, and it wasn't the end of it either
@@anomie1998I'm sorry you had to be treated like that 🙏🏼🕊️🌈
@@anomie1998 You and me both, brother.
I am not left handed, but I can remember being smarter than some of the teachers and being actively punished for it.
I can remember this one time, when the teacher said " Mercury is the coldest planet because it is the closest to the sun"
I said Pluto should be because it is the furthest from the sun because that is not how heat works ( something along those lines).
I was sent to the office for being disrespectful, got 3 detentions, and then was punished further in detention because I " didn't write enough".
My son's first grade teacher told a bunch of parents that the most important thing school teaches is conformity. That was the beginning of the end for me. I read John Taylor Gatto's books. We let both of our children have plenty of free time to explore and question. If we didn't have an answer for their questions, we went to the library, asked someone in that field, or Googled it. We never placed much importance on what the teachers said especially after we realized she simply repeated what was in the answer key. Sometimes the answer key is wrong.
Funny that Peterson's fan club would be up in arms about that all of a sudden.
When the Right in this country spent more than 40 years insisting of peddling an utterly fraudulent Domino Theory to every student of America's public education system - and right on through Princeton or Harvard if you persisted.
Meanwhile, little kids my age were watching the classmates of our older siblings come home from Lam Son and An Loc in body bags.
EVERY GUY their age was being asked EVERY DAY whether or not they were a dutiful citizen.
Likewise - I'm somebody who was asked to perform his first duck and cover drill at the age of 5 in a 1960's Los Angeles kindergarten class room.
Don't forget to shield your eyes from the flash of the blast, kiddies!
Sounding the alarm to somebody of my generation about some ubiquitous culture of conformity in the schools today is downright comical.
Screw conformity I taught my kids to always question. So proud of them to this day due to that
We are a homeschooling family currently. Sadly, the library is a giant propaganda place now...
Both the library and Google are compromised. Especially Google. If my children are interested in something, I pull all the books on the subject and let them explore that way. Google only gives them one page of pre-approved results. Is that a true education?
The book Inside American Education by Thomas Sowell. Eye opening and quite disturbing. No wonder we are where we are.
YES! I am reading that book now and it is more true today than ever.
Sowell highly respected and stated black profession kept narratives of racism going because of a paycheck
That sounds like it would be a really depressing book.
Can you give us a little summary about the book sounds interesting
@@crazypato3752 ruclips.net/video/ujga_GcWkD8/видео.html
After some faff on, we are now in our fifth year of educating our children at home. We started because our middle child has quite challenging self regulation issues, and now I'm so, so glad that we did!
We are homeschooling too.
My grandpa who passed in 2019 was 82 had a third grade education and a total of 13 siblings. They were share croppers in South Carolina. He had to drop out to work on the farm as did his brothers and sisters. He couldn’t read well or hardly at all really...but was good with numbers. At the age of 18 he left home to come come down to FL with just his truck and the clothes on his back... he met my grandma and they were immediately married within a few months of meeting and courting. They opened up there own auto mechanic shop and had a business together for decades. 5 kids and 60+ years of marriage in their lifetime... My papa wasn’t book smart by any means but he was so incredibly brilliant when it came to putting cars back together and building things...my God was that man witty. He’d cut you right to the bone.
and probably more successful than the majority of people that said he wouldn't amount to anything.
school really crushes the spirit of children. and when a kid has a free spirit and wants to be autonomous (someone who would be labelled with adhd) what do we do? drug the hell out of them to make them more managable. its a diabolical system as far as i can tell. i will leave a quote by einstien
"school failed me, and i failed the school. it bored me. the teachers acted like sergeants... i wanted to learn what i wanted to know, but they wanted me to learn for the exam. what i hated most was the competitive system there, and especially sports. because of this, i wasnt worth anything, and several times they suggested i leave"
so it doesnt matter how competent you are. if you individuate, they will attempt to break your spirit
Who the hell is 'they'?
You meant 'we', right?
Because many, many of the most dedicated teachers that my two children had in their school careers had kids in the same local school system themselves contemporaneously.
Which renders the whole hysterical effort to paint a we/ them divide pretty damned incoherent - not to mention REALLY cynical.
Unless you prefer to believe that those people are making it their life's work to devote themselves tirelessly to 'breaking the spirit' of their own kids - and all their best friends.
In which case it'd probably be in the best interests of your child to recuse yourself from any role in their educational upbringing altogether
@@chriscoughlin9289 "they" meaning the teachers, psychiatrists, and often parents, view the topic of education from an antiquated paradigm which was designed to create factory workers, and believe in a system that wants everyone to be exactly the same, so when theres a kid whos different, they view it as a pathology instead of accepting that sometimes people are different. and they view it that way because its been that way for a long time. its no one's fault in particular. it doesnt take a genius to notice that the kids who have adhd who get strung out on prescription amphetamine or ritalin to help them focus on things they have no interest in would be healthier if they were allowed to focus on things they do have an interest in, and if there was much less pressure to conform. but the health of the kid is sacrificed to make them conform. and i dont need to explain why prescription speed is often bad for children
@@thehandliesthandle I've got two kids in a public school system that doesn't REMOTELY treat non conforming kids in that fashion.
And I think I can speak with some authority on the subject because my oldest has right side hemiplegia - AKA Cerebral Palsy - in a moderate form.
No effort has been made to enforce mastery of two handed tasks - such as wearing a glove on one hand and throwing a baseball with the other. She's been free instead to pursue athletic challenges that suited whatever SHE decided her greatest abilities might be - soccer, tennis, surfing etc.
The same has been true in the classroom. Their reading lists about America during my Vietnam era childhood alone - Tim Obrien, Michael Herr - would've been UNTHINKABLE to the Social Studies teachers that were lecturing us a few short years after Watergate.
My Lai? You're joking, right?
In fact I find it pretty damned amusing that you lament the prevalence of the factory floor model as the guiding force in education today.
Especially since I've been a tradeshow exhibit carpenter in countless cabinet shops for the last 30 years.
Hilarious to me that you don't seem to realize that you're actually describing MY 60's-70's public school education - when my hometown was still home to hundreds of line workers, forklift drivers, longshoremen and warehousemen at two different local tuna canneries.
And while both of my daughters have - not surprisingly - known their way around a table saw, a router and a CNC machine since they were in their early teens, I find the vast majority of their peers are the children of soft handed Millennials who owe their careers to Facebook, Genentech, Google and the like.(I myself was late to fatherhood)
You know - the creative 'disruptors'
And their kids? Most of them don't fall far from that apple tree by my reckoning.
If anything, many of those students could actually BENEFIT from at least ONE rote exercise - ie producing something tangible that meets a certain immovable standard - like turning a baseball bat on a lathe, as a for instance.
Not for the skill set - but for the understanding that there are a billion and one upstanding citizens on the planet that could actually be GRATIFIED by this work if their parents had been paid to do it by people that knew how to express a respect for the task - and paid them accordingly.
Instead?
Getting your hands dirty (and bloody) for a living is for suckers - right, folks?
So the idea that my kids are on some rote treadmill - when compared to MY generation's upbringing??
With its Duck and Cover drills from the age of 5 and FORTY YEARS of utterly fraudulent Domino Theory propaganda - right on through Harvard or Princeton if you got that far??
Hmmm- So THAT wasn't about straightjacket conformity and being told what it meant to be a loyal, productive citizen??
(All while my older sister was watching her 19 year old former high school classmates come home from Hue (Quang Tri) in body bags?)
I've got a boatload of critiques to offer when it comes to my assessment of where my kids' schooling fell short.
But that reality bears ZERO resemblance to the complaints you're offering.
No, you have to understand that certain things must be done. Everyone must learn reading, writing and math. The reason you were bored is because it's up to the teacher to convince you that you need to know that.
@@chriscoughlin9289 The world is a stage, and 'they' are merely actors. 'They' don't care about the future, only the part they play. It's all a grift.
My husband and I had a similar experience. Our daughters second grade teacher responded to an off the cuff, sarcastic comment I made about I wish I could home school. She grabbed my arm and in dead seriousness said, If you possible can, do it!". We never looked back. That was the beginning of my life long study of the history of American education, starting with the Pilgrims and later, Noah Webster. We used primary sources. My advice to parents now? Get your students as far away from government education - at all levels now. Classical Christian in our opinion beats all.
It's ironic how the public education system transitioned from creating obedient workers to now grooming cohorts of social activists. A sign of the times and an indicator for how easy life has become where our culture places a greater emphasis on fictitious problems over tangible productivity.
As someone that is rather young they are not making social activists. Its basically a day care. Young people aren’t becoming more conservative because they don’t have anything to conserve. This system isn’t working for the young so why would they support it
@@jasonbeil7093 the system didn't work for previous generations either. Today we're all being bombarded with fake news and unimportant things to focus on like becoming vegan, discovering ufo's and "everyone's offended" type stories. All of which are deliberately taking our attention away from the important things we should be thinking about. Education, our economy, pensions etc. Who is steering this ship, and why are we going this way
We've lost respect for the "obedient soldiers " and military disciplined factory workers who can follow rules. But they are the bedrock which provides society with the security, food, clothing, shelter and leisure time to do the creative things.
Society today produces too many "creative" people to create change when the status quo is pretty okay.
@@jasonbeil7093 Because prosperity justice and everything else you love requires order. Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried and that includes your rule by activists.
@@64standardtrickyness if I can’t support a family fuck this system. Huge amounts of gen Z and millennials are barred from home ownership look at the numbers. This version of capitalism will eat itself when all the young rightfully decide they can’t afford families. We literally have a decreasing life expectancy while all other nations rise. I will never feed this system a child
"Pride is not the opposite of shame, it is its source" - Uncle Iroh
"True humility is the antidote to shame" - Uncle Iroh as well
@@cazjosh Very Deep. Any books to recommend?
Avatar the Last Airbender:
Nickelodeon
@@erics9869 made me laugh
Scripture ;) The Book of Mormon
The trick to surviving the public school system is to not allow yourself to care what they tell you, and to ignore their assessments of your worth. If you're lucky and can get great grades, good for you, but it doesn't mean anything unless you're trying to go to an overpriced private college. If you're like me and try hard and still get Cs, don't let it get you down. There's still lots of options for post HS education where you can learn how to do something useful. Once you actually get into the real world, nobody gives a damn about your school and grades, they care whether you know how to do something or not. None of the true movers and shakers and success stories became who they were by attaching more value to their school grades than to their own goals and sense of worth.
Also the opinions of your worth given by your peers.
Really well said.
Period
In England we opened a school (converted from state to academy) to teach more openly, with lessons connected together. Guiding learners to develop their own questions and how to discover the answer or solve the problem by breaking it down. My focus was maths/engineering/tech/science.
The projects we developed brought all subjects together. The regional academy commissioner visited 3 days after we opened (in a £15m building purpose built for open learning, after 3 years of preparation and training), told us to convert back to normal age based education and called in Ofsted.
Many very successful teachers I worked with have left teaching, as have I. Good luck for what is coming.
oof
What’s coming ?
Bravo to you and all those involved! Keep up the great work.
That's just depressing. It's a freaking mafia. I was part of a tream that tried to start up a reasonably priced and efficient two-year college in California. We got seriously sabotaged by nearby universities and an accrediting body.
@@MonteFleming how did they do the sabotage?
I worked at a manufacturing plant, not in production but as support. I’m not sure how people can do the same thing over and over, but they do. I guess the beauty is not having to think about it, and overall stress less. Some people want and need that, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. God blessed us with all kinds of folks, and that’s a good thing.
So do I. There's a lot about my job I hate, but it pays the bills.
I've worked in factories and while it may not be the most demanding work, it is relaxing that you're not dealing with asshole customers or trying to meet deadlines, etc. You just do your job, go home and forget about it until tomorrow.
It's brainless work suited to the lowest common denominator of society.
Modern education needs more holistic and interconnected approach to learning. Emphasis on specialization in the modern school system is a symptom of a larger societal problem: a loss of cultural unity and shared values. This trend undermines our ability to work together and solve complex problems.
Some of us should be re educated in the new one
Ultimately though, at least in STEM, the overspecialization is necessary, at least at higher levels, due to the degrees of complexity of various forms of modern technology.
In other words, a liberal arts education.
No, modern education needs to harshly curtailed, maybe even eliminated
We need early education reform for sure, but we also need to do a better job of offering high schoolers an alternative to college. The skilled trades offer a great career right out of high school and we sorely need more tradesmen.
Sure bit kids don't want to work hard and get their hands dirty. We have to import our skilled trades.
As an electrician, I don’t mind all the people that want to put themselves in college debt and look down on me for not going to college. My trade is in high demand and that just means more opportunities for me
Our local Community College offers about 70 work programs. They include Auto and Diesel Mechanics, Upholstery, Dry Cleaning, Airplane Mechanics, Machinist, Carpenter, Electrician, Plumbing and many others. It is not expensive. Live with the Parents, ride the bus or a bicycle and behave.
@@jameshudkins2210 That's great to hear! Now the trick is getting young people to realize that an in demand career is better than a generic degree with no prospects at the end.
I agree,including home economic experts. Ie, housewives. Mothers.
A great fear of mine is losing my kids to the State. I am a public school teacher and my kids go to public school. Schooling isn't education and school today isn't the same as even five years ago. I'm intentional in undermining the programming but the current is strong. Entrepreneurship is key, in my opinion, to initiate youth into adulthood in the modern world. It is my plan as "the ordeal" portion of a rite of passage for my kids to create a business. My masters thesis for education degree was on this topic especially looking at Montessori. No literature was available for what she had to say about secondary education (which is education should be a small business instead of classroom work) so I had to switch to service learning.
I've said numerous times to numerous people: The one thing that we could change, and have the greatest effect on our civilization, is to fix the education system.
Absolutely right
I agree.
The best thing we could do is drop the system. A giant state-sponsored program that was created and designed by collectivists of the 1800s will never be taking us in the right direction.
This is happening all over the world!
I guess prosperity in 80's created bloated and bureaucratic teaching system.
And now it took root so deep in our societry. So we can't think of any alternatives even though they're unbelievably inefficient and corrupt.
I didn't see prosperity in Ohio, I'm 56 & never been able to own a home.
It's not so localized in time. Bureaucracies grow naturally. It is in the nature of bureaucracy to increase its own necessity. It's practically a law of nature.
So what we need to do is set explicit limits on bureaucracies and enforce them socially
@@trequor That'd be better solution. I agree.
But how? The law itself is made and enforced by bureaucrats.
Should we go out there and march?
wow! @7:40 that's such an incredible story... i wish more educators were as frank as this guy
I read John Taylor Gatto 20 years ago and decided that I would never send my kids to any school “institution”.
Yes and that's why many are not having children anymore. You are re-enslaved to the school schedule for 18 years and they delay learning and what you can do with your child to delay the job market. You will go to jail if you don't adhere to the school schedule. No joke.
If you’re talking about John Gatto who wrote “Dumbing Us Down” - I remember being told to put that away reading it in high school haha. Didn’t do bad in school until I lost interest.
You should’ve been given extra credit hsha
Lol that's actually really funny 🤣
I totally believe this! my own stepson was in grade 5 when i met him and he couldnt read or write, yet was promoted to grade 6! they "butter" the kid with a tablet that reads and writes for him, its criminal!
I dropped out shortly after my 15th birthday. I was a 3.8 Honours student who went to school 2 days a week, because I had a job and was an assistant Kenpo instructor and school was just easy for me. Best thing that ever happened was when the school stripped me of my credits because of attendance. So I quit, moved to full time work and attained my 2nd degree Balck belt and ran two schools. The discipline and appreciation of hard work is the best education. Ive been self employed for nearly 20 years, after sucking up experience and knowledge in a diverse range of jobs in disparate industries. When interacting with strangers, I am often mistaken for a university educated person (doctor, lawyer and accountant are three most common). I am proud of my depth and breadth of self acquired knowledge, and definitely would not have learned as much early on if I had stayed in the system. 🤣
Being someone who was raised with this narrative, as homeschoolers were passing this info around and my parents passed it right on to the kids they were homeschooling, I went to college and was always more friendly and collegiate with the professors who had PhDs than any other students or professors as an 18 year old. I'm always saying I will just have to marry a man who has a doctorate because we will get along best but so far it hasn't happened, doctorate or otherwise.
@@mmkvoe6342 look at entrepreneurs, they tend to think more. Advice from a homeschooling mama/grandma 😅
Schools get paid for attendance. They also can't reward people showing up little or not at all because their rooms would be empty, and they would be made redundant, and we can't have that.
Did you karate chop the DEI workers that stole your credits?
John Taylor Gatto sums up nicely the history of public schooling. It was never about education and still isn't
This is exactly the question or statement I've said about myself forever.
I feel I was raised to be an employee, worker! I was not trained to gain prosperity!
All I really needed to learn was owning land is gold.
i graduated public school (the only school) and i was not taught how to think or how to do any more than manual labor. when i entered into the work force, i found
out how little i knew! public schools are worse now, 50 years later. since then, i have learned much, but it is too late for me. i try to teach my granddaughter how to
think critically and thoughtfully. she asked thousands of questions over these years and i honestly answered every one. education is up to the parents.
Obedience was never the right model for human development, familial loyalty and communal cohesion has always been our default. Modern slavery broke us. We could have industrialized just as well, but "they" wanted power so no act of corruption was off limits.
Montessori schooling is so good for kids. My ex-wife teaches it, and the kids are far better off than public school children. Just spend half a day in a classroom, and you will immediately see how much better it is.
It’s crazy that the school system is designed to produce factory workers while at the same time teachers teaching you to study hard so you don’t end up working in a factory.
lol!
Gotta make those sales quotas for the university system.
The modern office is our factory. And the executives want employees who are just as interchangeable as factory workers...
And many modern factories actually need skilled tradesmen because what would be unskilled labor is done by machines...
Meanwhile AI taking over every office job. Only thing left is factory job. 😂
And factories are moving to Mexico and China
My mom had a second grade education, not because of no school, but family life was very difficult in her youth,,, but when WW2 began, she was given a job making ammo for to support the troops, and there was nothing that she laid her hand to do that she couldn't do properly,,, she was a very amazing woman, God fearing, and never sat idle,,,,in the Bible in the book of proverbs the last chapter,,, describes my mother,,,,, I feel so sorry for the children of today.
Very touching. My mother is also a Proverbs 31 woman. We need more wives and mothers like that.
@@done611 thank you for your reply, and your so right,,,,, the way the world is today,,, I doubt there will ever be a woman like our mothers,,,, God bless you,,,,, here's a little tid bit of knowledge from the Bible, that no one is seeing or teaching,,,,, where all things are,,,, can you tell me?
John Taylor Gatto was the NY Teacher of the Year and proponent of homeschooling. My husband and I were introduced to him via the CD "Educating Your Child In Modern Times" with the Hamza Yusuf component. It changed everything for us. That was fifteen years ago when our eldest of three boys was just a newborn. We've homeschooled since then.
I almost set off a shtstorm at an open school meeting designed to inform parents of how great the district was doing. They failed to point out it was only for the handful of students who excelled under their robotic system. When I asked what were they doing for the gifted and talented, the students with ADD/ADHD, dyslexia, etc., then the chaos began...that says it all!
John Taylor Gatto. I heard him speak when I was homeschooling my children in the early 90s. The most memorable thing he spoke to was about children needing time to simply think alone..."not preThought Thoughts".
How did your home learners turn out? Honestly want to know. Did they go to university and enter a profession?
@@honestmatters-kt1wl my 4 oldest sons enlisted in the Air Force and came out. Son 1 one wife and 3 children-homeschooling. Son 2 2nd wife with children. Son 3 unmarried, working through some PTSD issues yet very productive/creative. Son 4 married one wife and one baby so far. Son 5 reenlisted in Army about to deploy again, some developmental issues he has overcome- unmarried so far. Lastly, my daughter is married has one child and is homeschooling. That they all want to raise children and work hard while living out their faith...I'd say so far they are turning out pretty good -my bias aside.
2 college degreed boys, the oldest is an executive, the rest of the boys have great vocational skills and my daughter is a gifted caregiver.
@@pattygascoyne6831 Good to hear. Well done! :D
Canadian from Ontario. It's important to note this because our school systems are beyond repair, but my entire childhood life in school I was ALWAYS discourage from asking questions. Not only are they feeding me garbage that will amount to nothing, but I'm not even allowed to ask a question without being shamed for it, ignored or dismissed. This is why I stopped trying and willingly dropped out. Best decision of my life because I used to think I was an idiot. I had free time to explore what I wanted to and now I feel far more confidence in my thinking skills and general understanding of reality. It's already a plus I can leave school and not be gen&*der conf&^used.
I visited a factory a few years ago, they even use the same bell our public school used
"I don't want thinkers, I want workers!" John D Rockerfeller
Most kids I grew up with were directed to vocational education. College bound kids were identified early and directed towards honor level courses. I was told I wasn't College material. I eventually earned a degree in chemistry.
Manufacturing is coming back. My kids loved online learning. They thrived on it during the pandemic. My son was given a job at the college teaching the engineering lab. He is a junior.
Schools are designed more like prisons than factories. Factory workers have benefits, rights, and can’t be compelled to show up/work.
As a factory worker, I can assure you they are not teaching people to be factory workers. 😂
Now they're teaching them to be sexual. In my state 30% of the black kids cant pass the SAT. But 100% can have babies.
My last job was as an aircraft mechanic. And once in a while I had the privilege of working with this guy named Rich. He always had funny stories and things to say. Example: He said his dad told him there are no stupid questions. Just stupid people asking questions. Very typical.
Cheers, Bill
Factory workers, military heroes, construction workers, truckers, doctors, architects, engineers, scientists, teachers, entrepreneurs, artists, philanthropists, civic leaders, biologists, mathematicians, have I forgotten anything?
I was a creative, curious introvert growing up. Not really artistically talented, but creative. School used to bore me, and I'd daydream a lot. I can remember teachers scolding me whenever I coloured outside the proverbial lines. I did have two good teachers from grades 1-3. One was a Haitian immigrant. So not really heavily indoctrinated in the Canadian education methods of the time (early 90s). She saw my potential and really knew how to push me to better myself. That all ended by grade 4, when I had a different set of teachers. Claimed I had ADHD, wanted to put me on drugs. My parents flatly refused. I was treated by those teachers like I was retarded. My parents did get me independently tested. I scored higher than average in intelligence, just struggled with math, which I still do. The tester concluded that I was probably bored, so I got moved to a different school. Better teacher. Grades went up. But then it in middle school, it was back to the same thing. Every last ounce of creativity was pounded out of me. Which pretty much lasted until my senior year of high school. I now hold an honours degree (I liked the freedom university provided) and a decently paying job. But that was in spite of the public education system rather than because of it. And I've heard similar stories from a lot of people.
Like George Carlin once said, the education system is designed to make people just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work, but dumb enough not to question it. If anyone who went through the public education ends up creative or innovative, it's either via happy accident or a bug in the system. Because they sure try their darnedest to make sure that doesn't happen.
I was blessed to go to school after WWII. The teachers and parents were more likely served or supported in that war. In the 1950's they were building new schools as the Boomer babies grew up. By the time I entered kindergarten in 1958, the schools were there. The teachers were there actually teaching. Sputnik went up and by the time I got to junior high, the science teachers were there. Big business was there supporting the education. When I graduated in 1971, the CEO of Gates Rubber was handing out the diplomas at our ceremony. The knowledge gained in that time helped me go through a military obligation and to a gainful career to retirement. Bureaucratic greed and budget cuts had some good elementary school teachers buy pencils and other supplies out of their own pockets in the 1980's.
Now the teachers issue lists if supplies each child is to provide, in quantities that can only teach wastefulness. Why does each student need to bring enough pencils for an entire class? When I was in elementary school, we were issued one pencil and we had to take care of it. It’s not just pencils; they’re told to bring copious amounts of everything.
In Germany we call it "Frankfurter Schule" which came after WWII .
Not in the modern era.
In the 80s, they got people on the credit card debt, but what could be better than credit card debt if not debt that people can't go bankrupt on? So in 1996 a bill was signed into law forbidding you to go bankrupt on the school loans.
TBH, school is a place you go from K-12 so your parents can go to work. I don't think they will ever make a system that really works. You sorta get what you put into it, but once you learn what the teacher expects, it's super easy to get an A. If you never do anything it's super easy to get an F too.
I was adjunct faculty for ten years. Got the highest ratings of anyone in my department. They increased the credential requirements, so I had to be a TA instead of lecturer. I did that for a while. Then the faculty unionized, so I quit.
Great video. I love the perspective.
I've always tried to go by what I think is an old adedge "There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers".
What happens when there are no answers and no amount of seeking gives you those answers. You go anywhere for too long you will be stopped by some border and told to turn around, no more knowledge past this point. It's frustrating that they lie to us, we can find the answers if we just look hard enough. No you can't. That's why most geniuses end up living in cardboard boxes on the outside of society, they see, they know and it's pointless to tell the masses as most are just brainwashed and never even question. They just want to be "happy." They all say it in unison, we just want to be happy...very Twilight Zone...we're all the beautiful people and the pigfacedrs. are like no you're all ugly/dumb, you all have to go live on this island while we experiment on you.....and we have the liger...
This is why my 2 YO and my 1 YO will attend a tiny, half day, private Montessori school near our house until they’re 7 and then be homeschooled (the school literally prepares you to do things this way) with us out in the country.
Why Montessori until 7 and not just have them at home? Montessori can be done at home, and you can bring them places to interact with other kids and enroll them in activities you can be around.
I quiit at 16 ,hitchiked around usa twice. Best education I ever had
I went to school in the Caribbean - and even schools there teach you to be a good little worker. Meanwhile my friends whose parents owned all the business or had a lot of money- never followed the rules. They felt entitled Togo wherever they wanted and do whatever they wanted and if someone told them no- they would say. Do you know who my dad is? He’ll get you fired- you better let me in. I always felt embarrassed because they just mowed people over. But guess what - they still run largely successful businesses and I ended up in middle management. I wish I had lived with my rich friends for a few years because they are wired differently to me. I was taught to be the smart one, the obedient one, the acquiescing one. It’s a different mind set and attitude.
I paid for no commercial, soon your commercials will be illegal. Will have no choice but to revert to the marble throwing days, im down for it. As long as uncle sam doesnt touch my marbles!!!!!!
I went to private schools 1st through 12th in the 80's. The public schools were pretty bad then. Can't imagine them now.
John Taylor Gatto - was a New York school teacher who wrote several books againist the schooling system. I think that's who Peterson was trying to think of. I just read Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling. Well worth the read. John died a few years ago - too bad that he wasn't able to sit with him and get an interview with him. It changed my whole outlook on schooling. That book alone sent chills down my spine and hit me in the gut. My husband then read it with me. We decided that whatever it takes - our daughter's education comes first. So we're diving into homeschooling.
The guy Peterson was referring to was John Taylor Gatto. His book “Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling” is essential reading for anyone who wants to intelligently discuss education.
It is hard to argue with history, but that means that it is still the same format as a century ago .
I hope that I am incorrect with this conclusion. Who ultimately controls what the educational systems of different governments in western countries are ? This is a political question, correct?🇨🇦
It is always refreshing to listen to Jordan Peterson and his deep knowledge and well-argued point of view. A very rare person with the ability to do critical thinking and use facts in his argumentation.
I was taught that humility is to acknowledge that one is not God.
I guess in a manner of speaking that's still what Jordan's definition means, as God is all-knowing and all-powerful.
I am so tired of people who have money telling us that a good decent job that we like is somehow beneath us. I loved my job as a bookkeeper and worked for other for 40 years. J save well and lived below my means. In retirement even in this economy I am enjoying myself. I dont need diamonds and pearls just a nice walk with my family and friends
does It functions similar in other countries like spain?
What’s astounding to me, is how many people still aren’t aware of this.
Many times as a child i would question why some topics in school needed to be learned and studied. Even then I knew most of it would not serve me in my adult life. There's so much more practical knowledge out there that actually relates to what life is like as an adult and it doesn't get taught (unless you were fortunate enough to have helpful parents teach you these things)
Although I will never forget a class I had in middle school taught by a brilliant man named Mr. Motherhead. His class was called "Technology" and most of the material in the class were his own possessions he purchased himself. In that class we were tought video editing, business advertising, circuit board assembly, wood work, power point, solar energy and so much more I wish I could remember the rest but there SO MUCH information and hands on creative "modules" as he would call them. Each module had it's own environment to learn and we were allowed to pick our own module. If we had no interest in it we would pick a different module/curriculum and that class really inspired me. I loved it. In 8th grade I requested to be a teachers aid just so I could be in that environment again and I scored the position and was essentially able to take the class 2 years in a row!
The creativity in that class stir something inside me and I didn't even know it. Much later on in life I rediscovered my passion for creativity, technology and innovation. The boy I was in 8th grade would be amazed to see what I am doing now and am capable of. I surprise myself at times but I owe it all to Mr. Motherhead and father for inspiring me. Thank you so much for your inspiration and to Dr. Peterson who I truly look up to and admire. My dad passed away when I was young and in some strange way I've adopted Dr. Peterson as a wise father figure. THANKS AGAIN DR. P!
I have a question, less for Jordan but more for Daily Wire. I see the Express VPN ad a lot in y'all's videos but do you have a channel about technology and securing your data that way? Microsoft, Apple, Google, and all big tech collect data on their "customers". What alternatives are out there? I know Linux but I'm a tech guy and I know not everyone is. Just a thought.
For a time, the local high school was more concerned about spitting out Doctors and lawyers, so the let trade skills fall by the wayside.
Finally after a few years of realizing not everyone will take that path, they started to ramp up trade skills again.
It’s hilarious however, that the have a big fancy trophy case for sports awards but hardly anything at all for trades students that win regional, state and Nationals. 😂
In Australia our National Curriculum is specifically designed to produce collectivist social justice activists.
Utilising the Paulo Freire critical pedagogy model.
BEst way to learn is by playing always. If there is a school that can somehow make students learn by playing then they will learn much more than any other students have and will also continue to want to learn. Not only that but the learning will guide itself for the student making the student's learning experience totally unique but still general enough to have conversation with other students about what they learn and when the differently taught students discuss with each other they all learn new things. Which will lead to learning becoming an exponential curve as it should be.
I have pretty much quit my university because they ruined every subject for me. Instead I am now teaching myself AI and have never been happier or learnt more in my entire life and I did so in just a couple of months. If I continue like this for years then I will be unbeatable compared to the current AI scholars at universities who sadly cannot do science correctly and neither has worked to built something completely new product which a customer will like.
Mr. Peterson, the man to whom you referred is not "Paul Gatti." HIs name is John Taylor Gatto. I have been watching video lectures and interviews with him, and I recently ordered his book The Underground History of American Education. I am a retired teacher, and I have shared many of the critiques that Gatto made of the school system, though I did not do the deep research that he did. I have known for a long time that we are doing great damage to children by treating them as they are treated in schools.
When quite young I always intuited, resented and resisted the fact that I was being held prisoner and was treated as livestock for someone else's benefit other than my own. My childhood was very difficult, I had to figure it out on my own not having any adequate mentoring or guidance. It has, however made me a better person but has also cost me dearly. Being interested in true learning and being curious, I ended up educating myself.
My daughter did year 10 in the USA. The level of Year 10 maths was equivalent to her Australian year 7. Her US history lessons was remembering dates! In her US English class, she purposely lost marks to make a point of spelling correctly. (E.g. the colour grey) 😂🦘🇦🇺
It depends on WHERE in the US you go to school. East Coast is way more educated than the West Coast. When I moved to CA from NY I couldn't believe they didn't have to read Shakespeare every year, 5 summer reading books, test first day back to school, two hours plus homework every night. Go to CA, HI, surfing and chillin is what they be doing. LOL!! Went to WA, this girl said she was one of 8 valedictorian of her class and I was like there can only be one. That's the whole point. So there's a big chasm between East and West Coast education. The South is a joke in education. That's still a chasm in the US, the North vs. the South.
John Taylor Gatto was that teacher from New York. "Weapons of Mass Instruction" is an amazing book of his. He lays it all out....based on years of experience inside the compulsory schooling system.
I remember being taught in one of my classes many years ago exactly what Jordan Peterson is discussing. It was taught to me as the current educational system in the U.S. is based on the factory system. The idea is to get paid after performing so much work. The problem is that something like 80%+ of the employment in the U.S. is service not piece work such as in factories. Hence, the ways that education is conducted is not appropriate for the types of jobs available. It would take a whole new restructuring of how and what is to be taught in order to create workers to fit the jobs currently available and those to come in the future.
Pretty sure Peterson was referring to John Taylor Gatto and not "Paul Gotti" for the award winning teacher in NY that passed away some years ago. His work is extremely important and anyone who cares about truly educating their children (you'd be surprised how many don't give a flying F) should read his work.
The man to which Peterson is referring is John Taylor Gatto. He has numerous talks on you tube and is very worth a listen.
Imagine that...experienced people teaching kids, instead of inexperienced academics. What a great concept.
Most teachers are prideful. It's about getting the right answer but Not about probing the problem. Humble people admit they don't know everything and arrogant people think and lie that they know everything. Nothing bad about being ignorant but arrogant people are IGNORANT themselves and tend to have a inferiority complex that They hide or will fight you with.
This extends to being trained in the workplace. They have a smug tone when asked a question, they revel in pointing out mistakes (often missing things themselves because they're so focused on how you COULD BE wrong), and value following a rigid format to solving problems rather than creative problem solving, or even getting the right answer.
There's probably a decent amount of "sunk costs theory" in play, too. They dearly want to justify the many years they've spent in their profession, or obtaining the degree required to get their job.
My husband had to get a Masters in English Education, from a prominent school I won't name, to get employed in the school system. He still wasn't hired beyond being a teacher's aide, mostly for helping with ESOL and handicapped students. He's a plumber now. We thank God he made the leap before C-19 blew up. He never missed a day of work during all that craziness.
Teachers don't even know academics very well themselves, nor critical thinking. Ask them a thoughtful question and you've disrupted the lesson.
There were times in school, and training for a job that would ask a question that I knew the answer to because I could there were people that were lost, but too embarrassed to ask
As a teacher/Reading Specialist, could not agree more. Thank you for posting.
have you seen the study known as "dyslexia in higher education"? if not, i strongly urge you to read it in its entireity. i seriously believe left handed students should be screened for ld's before higher ed.
Does anyone know the name of the book that Peterson was talking about? I’ve tried looking it up multiple times.
John Taylor Gatto
I guess the question is, what should we do instead? And how do you change it in a way that doesn't clash with a society that depends upon children being in school for 8 hours a day while their parents are working? Nearest I can tell, there is no perfect solution in a world so dependent on large urban centers, for anything other than a system relatively similar to the one we have.
It's actually quite an easy fix. Have children actually go to a school that teaches them, engages them and shows them stuff they actually need to know in life. Cooking, building, money, gardening, plumbing, art, music, etc. There is almost no fun in schools. Literally, just sit, listen, repeat. And the food is horrible. Have the children begin to make their own food at 2-3 years old like they do in villages. Let them play with fire etc. Also, in the working places have daycare with breast feeding places so the Moms can be with the baby any time needed. Have dogs at all the parks and the little old ladies back at all the crosswalks. No pedos would ever touch the children with all the dogs playing nanny. I grew up when dogs were not on leashes and my German Shepard took me to and picked me up from school. She just knew the time. Imagine if all children had a dog and/or all parks an schools had animals in them for the children to care for and play with. Trades, my goodness, you could have oodles of fun classes with science alone. They used to give out real chemistry sets. Could make gun powder. Just go to the pharmacist and say, may I have all this. And we played with liquid nitrogen. Seriously fun stuff. They don't do it, because the Private School kids are taught that public school children are their slaves, intentionally fed bad food to keep them sluggish and sick and are given very little in arts while private school is all about singing, music, fun athletics, wealth management, skiing, starting your own business, fashion. Just bring that to all children. They won't do it because their trust fund kids are stupid and only have the top positions in all charities and corps. because they are willing to enslave the masses. I've worked for the Elites almost my whole life. They live in another universe, they breathe different air and drink clean water. Eat pure food and have no stress, no sickness, it's ALL rigged. They make sure all the laws keep their trust fund kids on the easy path for generations. It's never been about how smart you are or how hard you work, the higher you go, it's about how depraved and inhuman you can be. And they all think they are wonderful people too. LOL!!!
I bought into the cultural lie that an education is ultimately about getting a good-paying job and...what, buying stuff? And then the truth dawned while listening to a wiser person. He said that education is about learning how God has fashioned this world, and conforming your life to that reality. Suddenly life made a lot more sense.
I wish more people knew this
I want to offer another way to learn, as a dancer you learn when to ask the right questions, when to shut up and work, but all you work you give yourself time to explorer/research from in your self.
If you don't ask yourself questions, the answers you get from outside won't be as beneficial.....
We need to learn to learn...
My Dad said a long long time ago "I will never knowingly give a penny of money or a second of time to education." Other than that statement I know of none. Ever.
Today even that statement would be a waste on the american education system.
In 1974 my geography teacher, a very well educated person. Astute, clear, well groomed, everything perfect, while standing behind her shoebox podium at the corner of the room facing the class made the following statement to the class (two story building with separate wings):
"The poor of the depression era have no excuse to an education. I have no sympathy for using share-cropping as an excuse." There was another line to that and I do not remember it all but She was dead to me from then on.
I started picking up on this same attitude from other teachers as well. She enlightened me to say the least.
Given sour oranges, wormy plums and bird pecked grapes and corn made you love poptarts. Today, I could stuff a grenade in every box of poptarts produced. Its not for the hatred or even a dislike for "Poptarts" you see. Its what they represented to me and what my teacher never understood. To take a bath in a two-handle #2 washtub. To be laughed at and made a mockery for hanging clothes on a clothes line. To get after school jobs and summer jobs to buy toothpaste. To wear Converse canvas tennis shoes that were worn and torn and washed every weekend. To have a ringer machine where your automated spin cycle was between two rollers. Shared by 9. One light bulb was fussed at for using. No letter on your school jacket you bought, because you bought none. There was just simply no money for to do so. To want inclusion-to be a part of-to not be a sore thumb to everyone else just by looking at me...all the while the strap on that bale-sack made a sore shoulder and few sore fingers. To turn peanuts by hand. To kill snakes to get a watermelon. There is a lot more to this but I really think my teacher turned out ok. I never checked back and never looked back. I think she did fine.
Excellent clip, great to see someone addressing this point.
I was just recently told that my very bright 11 year old 5th grader will have to wait until middle school to be challenged in school!! And that I need to keep doing what I’m doing at home!!
In the meantime he tells me he is teaching the teachers.
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Jordan, please talk with Doug Wilson, founder of the ACCS. Christian Classical schooling is another movement to get more information on!
Does anyone know about the book on the history of education by Paul Gaudy? (I apologize if that’s the wrong spelling😅.)
As far as the book title, I'm not sure specifically what you're thinking of, but as others have commented, the author Peterson meant to be saying was John Gatto.
@@mmkvoe6342 AH got it 😆. Thanks so much!
I had a good elementary education, but almost all the high school classes were a step backwards to 6th,7th,8th grades. only a handful of classes that passed what we already did in grade school. All I learned in high school was how to cheat the system. It was a complete waste of time. Graduated class of "79"
The guest's story of the Montessori teacher brought tears to my eyes.
So it takes 13 years (k-12) to train someone to work in a factory?
13 years of grooming, forced submission through duress and coercion, forced body and mind behavior by trickery
actually its 14 pre-school too
Yes, that is true. The classes, in Industrial Arts, Drafting, Machine Shop, basic Chemistry, Mathematics, Algebra, Home Ec, Business, etc were designed to churn out workers. If, you were bright enough, you went into the accelerated or College Prep, eventually. Unfortunately, somewhere down the line, probably in the 1960s-80s it became fashionable to push College on most students. "Come on, you don't want to go into Industrial Arts or learn Electrical engineering? Where ya gonna go with that? Go to college, and learn something"? So, we did. What did we learn? That some of us were unprepared for our future.
I don't know about America, but Canada's schools have changed a lot in the last 20 years. I think we are more than capable of bringing school updates to what we expect to need most in the future.
It was John Taylor Gatto who was teacher of the year and wrote the history of education.
So glad he mentioned John Taylor Gatto! He's work needs more attention.