I think it is terrible the way armstrong was treated, especially after having won 7 Tours whilst on drugs. When I was on drugs I couldn't even ride my bike home.
he went tit for tat with whom ever tried to destroy his life. seems fair enough. but that was his downfall in the end. if he would have been low key about like indurain he would be considered one of the best if not the best cyclists of all time
@@cypriano8763 Yeah, would of been nice if he could have been as good with the cover-up as he was with his cheating. And your right, fuck those people who tried to get the truth out. These ..... these ......DESTROYERS of life.
@@marcusk7855 So right..All the top 20 were doping and more..Lance was the best..He was smart on the bike, a master..He trained like a madman and knew what to do and when to do it..Fuck the naysayers..If he was an asshole, then so be it..He was the best damn Tour de France rider ever..
PEDs are extremely dangerous. They are forbidden not only because it makes sports unfair, but they allso have consequenses on the human body. Just look at the retired atheles in east germany who were forced to take steroids and other substances to enhace their performence. To even consider that all athletes should use PEDs to ”even it out” is nonsense.
The issue with Lance is that when people started to talk of his doping he tried to bury/ruin them with his gang of lawyers etc. Lance's ego did him in and I doubt the public will ever forgive him.
He did that because haters like Greg lemonds only involved his name with doping and never even bothered to talk about the other 100+ guys who were also doping. It was always just lance
@@abone2pick nah that’s not even half of it. Lance actively snitched on competitors for doping when they became a threat during TDF. He called UCI on Tyler Hamilton for doping when Tyler beat Lance on TDF time trials. He also treated people who were caught as worse than dirt. Floyd Landis partly snitched on him because Lance refused to let him back into important teams after he had served his suspension. It’s one thing to cheat when it’s the reality of the sport but at least do it like a gentleman. And lance was no gentleman and an awful bully.
For me it wasn't that he roided, I could get over that... it's that he destroyed the lives of some of his former teammates when they came clean. And never apologized, even after he came clean later.
Thank you very much Mike. He still owes stolen prize money as well; all of it was returned. People making comments here need to do some research and they'll find out Lance not only cheated shooting up daily, but is a narcissist as well. Pathological lying and bullying are two of his favorite traits. Ken, Seattle.
Mike Hughes the accusers were cheating too and accused him for personal reasons. And everyone knew everyone was cheating and jealousy drove the accusations. Don’t feel bad for anyone honestly. Maybe we should all stop caring about Olympic, college and professional sports because they are all cheaters.
The problem with armstong is he vilified and tried to ruin the careers of journalists who called him out for steroids. He went after them with such vitriol righteous hatred (videos on youtube) and THAT is why he fucked up.
I don't know what McKneown's definition of vitriol righteous hatred means but it could have crossed the red line of being libel and that is against the law.
The reason everyone questioned Armstrong was his absolute dominance. When you watch the current crop of winners they are not riding away from everyone on the mountain top finishes. Having been an amateur racer for 10 years, I have an appreciation for what happens when, in spite of the training required, your body just stops and says no more. I never saw that when he was winning.
@@CAO-sportsmed Pog also had no team mates around him, had run out of food and water because of the Roglic master stroke. He was even asking the team JV car for water.
Its been said already but I'll say it again. Everyone used epo, and did transfusions, it isn't good but it happened. Obviously if he hadn't done any of it he would be incredible, but even while doing it he was incredible. The problem was that he first of all pushed his teammates into using unfair methods, and then destroyed their careers when they blew the whistle. There is no coming back from that.
PEDs are extremely dangerous. They are forbidden not only because it makes sports unfair, but they allso have consequenses on the human body. Just look at the retired atheles in east germany who were forced to take steroids and other substances to enhace their performence. To even consider that all athletes should use PEDs to ”even it out” is nonsense
Love the perspective Peter ! Being a competitive cyclist and always trying to raise my FTP. Most people don’t know the genetic differences between the ability to suffer or the natural ability to shuttle lactic acid. The body is so uniquely different per athlete. Between muscle fiber types to Anaerobic Capacity. Everyone is different. Good stuff. I’ve had my hematocrit to 52 and felt amazing on the bike. And that feels very different at 47-48... you just have that extra bit... extra ease to push harder and farther...
The classic response to Lance Armstrong doping is: "Well, he was really mean to people who tried to expose him." No one ever tries to expose bodybuilding, by the way. We know it's not clean, so why bother? Tour-level cycling is the same. No one is clean at the top.
Did he not take people to court and try to ruin them financially etc, when they spoke out about him doping?. That alone makes him a horrible person. Knowing he was doping and trying to ruin those who spoke out about it. Complete sociopath. Glad he was finally outed and had to eat some humble pie
Interesting conversation. Pro athletes have to deal with what intense training does long term. I’ve always been a gym rat, and taught fitness classes as a hobby. Now in my mid fifties and the people who I know that continue to train like they are in competition look and feel terrible. Crippled with arthritis Chasing cancers all over their bodies. Balance in exercise and nutrition is important
Genetics is huge. I trained with Olympic caliber swimmers growing up, and some of them had such a clear edge over others, and they were rarely the hardest working in the pool.
This exactly, at school we had a pair of brothers who were in the GB Olympic programme as sprinters and I don’t think I even saw them break a sweat while demolishing other schools
It is so refreshing hearing someone who really knows his shit and a bit more, like knowledge of chemistry and biology is far more than just bro science
Lance's story is fascinating. He went from the most protected athlete in the world to a paria. While all of his direct rivals were getting suspended for doping, he was portrayed in the media as the clean working guy that escaped death to rise to success. And a few years after he retired, the "truth" was revealed and the same media were acting shocked and throwing him in the mud. I will always wonder why...
What do you mean you'll always wonder why? Thats how it works, "innocent until proven guilty" as they say. During Armstrong's career, specifically his post cancer, pre retirement career, he never tested positive for PEDs. From '99 to '05, he won the Tour de France every year and only ever tested positive for cortisone 1 time, but since he had a doctor retroactively write him a prescription for a topical cream for saddle sores, he wasn't suspended. If he had retired in '05 he may have never been caught, but 3 years later he started watching the Tour on TV, and felt the itch, he couldn't help himself and he returned to cycling with the intention of entering and winning the Tour again. But his behavior caught up with him. USADA began investigating him, and finally enough former teammates were willing to out him. Suddenly all the journalists and associates like Betsy Andreu who had been claiming for years that Armstrong was dirty, were now credible, they were proven correct and were now vindicated. That's why the media turned on Armstrong. They felt foolish, they had been deceived. Despite the dozens and dozens of former riders and journalists that claimed Lance used PEDs, the media was on his side and defended him, and when he finally confessed they were all too eager to get in line to extract pounds of flesh from him. The fact is, Armstrong was an excellent competitor and rider, and the instant he decided to use EPO and testosterone, he was excellent at hiding it and discrediting anyone that made accusations against him. At that point Livestrong was a global brand, Armstrong himself was a global brand. He had no choice but to continue lying and continue doping. Then like I said earlier, his only chance of successfully getting away with it was if he had permanently retired after his 7th win, and never looking back. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't do that, he came out of retirement and was immediately back in the public eye and was immediately back in his accusers crosshairs, and this time the people investigating his drug usage were federal agents with badges, instead of just journalists or former riders. Now the penalty for lying was much more serious, and therefore Lance's former teammates like Hamilton had no choice but to confess, and Lance was finally brought down, and had no choice to confess.
This is a guy on a bike. Now, apply this difference between media image and reality to something important. Ukraine, Covid, politics... all versions of the same thing. Basically, endless bullshit.
The powers that be had made all the money they could have off his back, and then decided to find their “morals” once it was no longer convenient (or profitable) to support him. Funny how Nike, Trek, or UCI never gave even a single penny back in protest once the truth came out…
When the story broke I did not want to believe it. Lance Armstrong was cyclings golden goose. He was good for the sport around the world. Non-enthusiast knew the sport through him. Non-enthusiast today could not name a single cyclist. It does not make what he did right but at the time you could not compete without roids.
An apolgist for a drug cheater. You hear it all the time: everyone else is doing it, so I'm justfied in cheating. Ben Johnson said the same thing. That argument is just a cop out.
Agree with Dr. Attia. Having also been a small time amateur bike racer I know first hand how difficult that sport is. You don't win the TdF or Giro D'Italia on mineral water and powerade. Hincapie, Hamilton, Landis, Leipheimer, those guys were unbelievable cyclists. Hamilton finished the TdF with a freaking broken collarbone one year, unbelievable.
@@combatfighttalkuk.546you literally lean on the handlebars while riding. Than when you get out the saddle younuse your upper body aswel. He literally grinded down 11 teeth and had to get them capped. But he was doping and on blood transfusion type shit
The look on the guest's face explaining the lactate tolerance - hydrogen ion issue is fascinating. I have no intellectual background and I'm amazed just listening.
Yes his heart was able to expand to three times that of a normal man. A stat from around 2004. By _normal man_ that probably means a typical man from society in the worst possible shape. It's not just the TdF that takes a physiological toll on the body. Riders ride through an entire season that lasts around 9 months. A rider's roster is much like anything else, interspersed with periods of work and rest. Those who start off young grow into the demands of the sport, and then through a natural genetic selection, the best who carry through become the ones best adapted to the rigors of the sport. At this point cycling is not painful per se, quite the opposite in fact. The big question is what happens when riders stop. You can think of this sport as a process of natural selection, sped up. So what drives riders through the sport? Glory, fun, the highs, many of the emotional aspects.
It sounds like hitting the wall as a distance runner and the pain of pushing through it. I just can't imagine myself backing up like the tour does day after day.
Unfortunately there were some clean guys like Basson and Lance even bullied him. This will always remain a big stain on his vest. If you take over the sport against the other bad guys, at least show respect to the ones that do this for the love of the sport!
i heard Greg Lemond (another american french tour winner) say on tv that it was impossible for Lance Armstrong to win without doping, just because of his lack of pulmonary capacity, and this when he (Lance) was winning the french tour... everyone was screaming on the poor Greg who was absolutely right, and nobody was willing to listen to him at that time. Sad
He almost killed Greg, Lance took Gregs company down and also his self-esteem! Afther that Floyd made it even wors. He blackmailed Greg that he would tell the world that Greg was abused by his uncle when he was young... Think about it, this Greg man is a hero! A hero! In 1994 he stept of his bike afther a few days in tour because he couldn't hold on.. He said, i am in the best form ever but this way of riding has nothing 2 do with being a professional cyclist!
It's grown ass mans hat your probably one of those man child wiggers who want to become a different race and turn transgender wearing them children's hats 🎩
As a German I have to say that I enjoyed these duels of Lance and Jan alot. And I admired both in a certain way: Jan overall was probably the more physically gifted (on that high level of genetic freaks) and the one you would probably prefer to have a beer with, but Lance definitive was and is till today the best of them all! He brought a level of focus and professionalism to the game that was unseen before. And to be able to motivate yourself 7 years in a row and to suffer every year for that one goal made him the best! I can't put it in better words than Jan Ulrich who once replied on the question if he would feel cheated by Lance, taking into account that he was doped and that then he (Jan) might would have won the Tour many times: 'I know who crossed the finnish line first!' Nothing more to say. Great era, great sportsmen!
You are supporting and admiring a cheater..boohoo for you too.. I remember during my early teenage I was a big fan of Ulrich..but my world crashing down after the scandal..Those were all fake heroes...
As a german i also highly disagree...Especially Ullrich is a pos of the higfhest degree...last thing he is known for is choking hookers when they want to get paid...he a real POS...both of em destroyed cycling...the fairy tale that everyone was doped back than is exactly that, a fairy tale...those 2 pieces of shit betrayed every other competitor...they just did..there were clean riders (And thats a fact!!!)... to say you enjoyed the duels of these 2 cheaters is utterly stupid...why you think ullrich never admitted although being tested positive? because he would be stripped of everything he "achieved" and rightfully so...both are naturally born losers...look at them now...they are true Pieces Of Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The very best in any sport must 'have it all' - genetics, desire, work ethic, diet, etc... they may tend to slack on one or more of these elements, but not all of them!
"Lance never had a hematocrit over 50..." WHEN TESTED. No doubt when testing wasn't expected or even averted by Lance's cabal, he had whatever level he wanted.
Lol, they took large amounts saline through an IV to momentarily lower the hematocrit in the blood, so that when he (and his term mates) were tested they were always below. Doesn’t mean they weren’t doping and riding with a much higher level of hematocrit.
Armstrong's hematocrite was officially 42% which is above average but not so high compared to other cyclists. 50% is considered as a limit and only a few people are above naturally. Antidoping agencies are testing this hematocrite rate to determine if whether or not an athlete could be hold suspicious of using PED. However, this number can be f*cked with and it has been shown that Armstrong's hematocrite got much higher or much lower periodically. What you've got to understand when talking about Lance Armstrong is the level of sophistication his and his team's "medical program" - as it was called - had. They were not fooling around: they knew precisely what they were doing and how and that alone explains why it took so long for the antidoping agencies to get him. Pierre Ballester's and David Walsh's first and second books about Lance are absolute gold mines when it comes to PED use in cycling and it gives a sense of what can be done in any sport.
Lance was a force of nature, a prodigy, single minded & with an unbreakable spirit, determined, driven & motivated. He had that intangible quality, that few human beings possess, that makes a champion. He had an paralleled work ethic, an aptitude for the sport that had seldom been seen before & was genetically gifted with the all the attributes specific to this sport. Doping enhanced these already exceptional abilities, to levels that no one else, at the time, could match.
@@dyschromotopia This. But people will still try and destroy this man without thinking about the amazing things he did for Cancer Research around the World, and inspiration for all of those dying around the World.
yep just like all the other guys, ever heard of operation puerto, look it up then youll understand what being a top pro rider is all about. lance wasent doing anything new or special. he just got himself a gun when he realized his rivals has 9mmers.
One testicle produces the same testosterone as two; testosterone-production regulated by a feedback mechanism in the brain. One guy in WW1 England got a brain-tumor, and he produced so much testosterone that was just like on steroids.
if you read tyler hamiltons book, ferrari wasent about the use of large amounts of many drugs but rather the pin point use of a few. many teams doped more than us postal. lance trainer harder and could suffer more than his competitors
@@cypriano8763 Nonsense. Not to mention doping doesn't affect everyone the same. Studies have even shown no statistical significant improvement in performance by some people given EPO...
@@Schnidler whats hard to understand, all of lances competitors for gc doped as much or more than he did. he wasent doing anything more than the other guys. if anything he was doing less. ferrari was so good because he understood the minutia of human physiology and performance. he said you needed 3 things to win the tour, 1 train more than the others, be super thin and 3 have a high htc/hmgl. lance would have won regardless of doping in my opinion, it was a level playing field
Lance cheated and he cheated big time and then he destroyed people who called him out on it. What a great guy. I hope he is walking around with only a barrel around him....
I had a sub in high school who raced phelps when he was in high school and he mentioned how Phelps does not have lactic acid buildup so he doesn’t get tired
Lance would have gotten away with it and still had all seven of his titles if he only didn't come back in 2009 and 10 to prove himself again. That's when the French nailed him.
What this guy fails to mention that is documented in several books, is Armstrong was a “super responder” to EPO. Some cyclists can take the same dose and see minimal gains, whereas Lance saw huge gains. He also paid the best doping doctor at the time, Michele Ferrari, lots of money to work exclusively with him.
So what? some people are born with huge vo2 maxes. All elite athletes have massive genetic advantages. He just took advantage of his at a time when you had to cheat to compete.
Not to mention all the money he paid to silence lots of uci people. This interview is BS in my opinion. L.armstrong is not a saint he destroyed many peoples life, teammates, for saying the truth.
What Lance had in his peak was an incredible 'VO2Max', and that's regardless of how much "drugs" he took. The VO2Max - a measure of aerobic fitness - is 50% genetic. Lance' VO2Max was not quite as high as Greg LeMond's VO2Max. Greg's was somewhere around 90. And Lance was 86. That's just unheard of. Very few OLYMPIC LEVEL athletes have a VO2Max of 85, let alone over 90! That's why even though everyone else was juiced to the tilt, Lance still beat them all!! And Lance also helped people defeat their cancer, including mine. Yes, I know Lance was hated and sued by many at the time, but I'm biased and always will be for what he did for cancer patients and for how he made ALL OF US BELIEVE WE CAN DEFEAT OUR CANCER!!! AND IT WORKED FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS!!! I'll FOREVER be grateful to Lance Armstrong!
i personally believe that sport are to test the natural physical capacities of any person, if you want to use some kind of enhancer then the goal change and now you are searching for the best human + enhancer combination. Im not against that, but every one should know that now the goal is different.
I wonder how that interacts with technology. For instance, we allow some swim suits but not others. Are shoes an enhancement over our natural body for a sprinter? It's more of a spectrum. It's interesting we accept the notion that we shouldn't have people think that you need drugs to be the best at a sport but there's plenty of things where we're okay with someone needing certain genes to be the best like height for a basketball player. Yet drugs are more democratic in a sense, in that anyone can access them, your genes were out of your control before you're born.
and be forced to be on exactly the same doping agents which even then wouldn't necessarily have the same effect on all competitors...level playing field my ass
"But everybody in this era was on drugs." Yes, until they started beating Lance and Lance started making some phonecalls to his friends is high places (Hi Hein Verbruggen, chief cover-up of Lance's positive test at the 1999 TdF) and all of a sudden the supply of doping to the likes of former teammate Tyler Hamilton and Spanish climber Iban Mayo dried up. And Lance's competitors all of a sudden got vitits from the doping controllers. So yes, all of the cyclists were doped, but all of them weren't *sshole bullies who wanted to win by all means necessary like Lance did.
Didn't he get Blood transfusions. It's Amazing he's alive . His body has been through alot of stuff. Let's be truthful, top level sports is so corrupt sadly - every one takes steds/ drugs (even asthma inhalers ) to give them ahead start. And a career.
The bottom line was that no one could beat a doped up Jan Ulrich and the other top riders who were already doping when Lance came along. Dope or go home,
Lance should be evaluated in his totality: he was an inspiration, and a knob. He made cycling entertaining, and harmed it massively. He didn't create the doping issues in cycling, but it's too simplistic to say he didn't cure it either. He went beyond mere denial, he bullied those who tried to change things. His story reminds me of the film, The Talented Mr Ripley: he was someone who fought his way out and up, but once he'd started doping and winning things and lying about it, it was a treadmill. That doesn't of course justify the bullying... Then there's the impact on cycling. His legacy has stained the sport. But he made people pay attention to sport, he brought knew spectators, and those of us who were already cycling fans, saw interesting racing. And he's been an advocate for cycling, for getting on a bike and riding, since retirement. And then there's the cancer community. For all his sins, Lance did inspire people who had cancer. Let's just see the whole picture.
That's a pretty bold statement "every pro cyclist from 1991 - 2011 was on a PED program". If that's the case it was a level playing field and Armstrong did win all 7 Tours. In time he will be forgiven.
@@davecassady7468 Doesn't really matter anyway. He won, he knows he won. His team mates know he won as did his competitors. Since he's admitted everything, a lot has changed with LA. But I understand. Haters only hate.
@@robvan6527 I don't hate him, I just think he's a sociopath. Of course he's one of the all time great cyclists....but he's also one of the all time great liars. He tried to ruin peoples lives for telling the truth. And he will not be forgiven for that. He can never be trusted ever again.
People defending Lance. You guys don’t even know half the story. I used to like him too despite the doping but now think he is the lowest of the low. Lance actively snitched on competitors for doping when they became a threat during TDF. He called UCI on Tyler Hamilton for doping when Tyler beat Lance on TDF time trials. He also treated people who were caught as worse than dirt. Floyd Landis partly snitched on him because Lance blocked him from getting signed up by teams after he had served his suspension. Also whenever someone became a threat to Lance in the peloton, that person would be out of the “inner circle” and Lance would withhold drugs from them. He was forced to change this strategy when he came close to losing TDF in 2003. He didn’t cheat to level the playing field. His unsportsmanlike behavior to HIS TEAMMATES and competitors shows he didn’t believe in FairPlay at all. It’s one thing to cheat when it’s the reality of the sport but at least do it like a gentleman. And lance was no gentleman but an awful bully and a holier than thou hypocrite whenever things got tough for him.
So true! I loved Lance so much but than we found out he is an awful human being!! He slept with many woman from teammates, he destroyed Greg Lemond his business and on and on .... A Billy in the came! We can say that Lance is a Malignant narcistic person
I agree... every one of the top riders were on dope, and he beat them all. Right or wrong, the field WAS pretty even. What WAS wrong with Lance is that he lied and threw some people under the bus.
no one was doing blood transfusions which was highly more effective than EPO.............And no one dare challenge him because of his power and intimidation
People keep saying 'everyone was doping', it was a 'level playing field'... That is simplification. What if there was one guy that wasn't? And not all teams had the resources and crooked doctors that the big teams with the big budgets had. And how can you know that LA did not in fact take more, more often, only better controlled before any tests? True, he was dedicated (haha), and obsessed, but to this day he is saying he won those titles. And Rogan saying 'they didn't dope much' - compared to what? It sure reads like much in Hamilton's book - stockpiles in fridges, planned programmes before events etc. - just saying 'everybody did it' does not cut it imo. Not everybody did the same amounts. It does not really matter I guess, but LA is still a delusional denier, and character counts.
The fact that the first riders were cheating doesn't make it right. Keep going down the list and you will find one clean rider. Then you found the real champion. The last guy to get there rode the same distance. Only difference is taking more time by being clean.
We can't possible know if the field was pretty even. Some people have a better response to PEDS. He could have been on a better program. What we can say his body had the best response to PEDS
I was a competitive cyclist for 4 years with the Prospect Wheelers in Brooklyn.I got out of it when my teammates started doping in amateur races for 50.00 prize money.Its insidious.
Im 54 yrs and still racing mostly Gravel now, My 1st race was in 1982 at 16yrs old...I've been around the block in road and mtn bike racing... Yes( your right) the level of drugs in cyçling is unbelievable at a levels....
I think it is terrible the way armstrong was treated, especially after having won 7 Tours whilst on drugs. When I was on drugs I couldn't even ride my bike home.
Hahaha😂
great comment
And im betting you didnt have testicular cancer or brain surgery.
Armstrong a con artist plain and simple. He made a shit load of money out of cheating, if it was a casino he would've been taken out the back.
Sounds like a Willie Nelson Comment ✌
Give him some slack. He walked on the moon after all.
RoundenBrown lol good one
underrated
And brought back all of those bracelets made of moon cheese.
RoundenBrown cant shape or wear a hat to save his life, how do you guess he drives 😂
Ahhh ah
Words from the great Bill Burr "Our roided up guy, beat your roided guy!"
Which makes no sense at all given that cycling is a sport of small professional teams
@@HkFinn83 Come on now. Let’s be real here they are all likely doping.
@@HkFinn83cycling is made up of small teams that are full of dopers. A lot of the coaches for those teams are retired racers and confirmed dopers too.
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EPO effects people differently, Lance had a hematocrit of about 41 before EPO. He also had the exclusive services of Ferrari.
Why isn’t his name Lance Legstrong?
Lol 😂 I wish I saw this sooner
I got shouted at in school for this joke
Cuz he can pop a nice wheelie
He lost his legs to cancer.
And by legs, I mean....
You’re a Dad aren’t you?
The sad thing about all of this is that Lance Armstrong went out of his way to destroy those people that told the truth.
he went tit for tat with whom ever tried to destroy his life. seems fair enough. but that was his downfall in the end. if he would have been low key about like indurain he would be considered one of the best if not the best cyclists of all time
@@cypriano8763 Yeah, would of been nice if he could have been as good with the cover-up as he was with his cheating. And your right, fuck those people who tried to get the truth out. These ..... these ......DESTROYERS of life.
No the sad thing is, the people who dobbed him in were doing it too. They were just sore losers.
@@marcusk7855 So right..All the top 20 were doping and more..Lance was the best..He was smart on the bike, a master..He trained like a madman and knew what to do and when to do it..Fuck the naysayers..If he was an asshole, then so be it..He was the best damn Tour de France rider ever..
@@michaelsteven1090 You didn't understand what they said.
played a hell of a trumpet though
Underrated comment
Very underrated comment 😂
This guy looks like Jordan Schlansky
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He definitely looks like he owns an elitist espresso machine.
This dude seems to be very intelligent and can express himself very well. Super interesting interview. Nice work
He helped Vince Vaughan win dodgeball, so cant be that bad
Maybe his greatest contribution?
Lance got Vince there but Chuck Norris made the decision to make them play the game
Patches O'Houlihan is the reason he won, and everyone knows it.
I saw that movie in theaters right after he won the race again.
@@cronezone787 Remember you gotta Dodge Duck Dip Dive Dodge
Lance admitted it so many times.
"I love cycling"
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Lmao nice
so defiant
Lol 😂
This was one of my favorite interviews on the podcast! So much great information...
PEDs are extremely dangerous. They are forbidden not only because it makes sports unfair, but they allso have consequenses on the human body. Just look at the retired atheles in east germany who were forced to take steroids and other substances to enhace their performence. To even consider that all athletes should use PEDs to ”even it out” is nonsense.
When you come to watch a video about a famous cyclist and end up getting a chemistry lesson
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Not wrong
INFAMOUS
The issue with Lance is that when people started to talk of his doping he tried to bury/ruin them with his gang of lawyers etc. Lance's ego did him in and I doubt the public will ever forgive him.
He did that because haters like Greg lemonds only involved his name with doping and never even bothered to talk about the other 100+ guys who were also doping. It was always just lance
@@abone2pick nah that’s not even half of it. Lance actively snitched on competitors for doping when they became a threat during TDF. He called UCI on Tyler Hamilton for doping when Tyler beat Lance on TDF time trials. He also treated people who were caught as worse than dirt. Floyd Landis partly snitched on him because Lance refused to let him back into important teams after he had served his suspension. It’s one thing to cheat when it’s the reality of the sport but at least do it like a gentleman. And lance was no gentleman and an awful bully.
@@abone2pick haters my arse. Greg Lemond was just telling the truth. Nevermind the others. Nothing would made Lance any cleaner lmao.
@@Zee24585 exactly. LA an arsehole and so are his dumb arse fans.
@dee Haw Feeling sorry for yourselves is the same weakness Armstrong showed.
For me it wasn't that he roided, I could get over that... it's that he destroyed the lives of some of his former teammates when they came clean. And never apologized, even after he came clean later.
Thank you very much Mike. He still owes stolen prize money as well; all of it was returned. People making comments here need to do some research and they'll find out Lance not only cheated shooting up daily, but is a narcissist as well. Pathological lying and bullying are two of his favorite traits. Ken, Seattle.
Corr. above ----"all of it was 'never' returned.".........
Agreed, Harold. People should watch "The Armstrong Lie" on Netflix. It's interesting and very revealing.
Thank you Mr Hughes for stating what I was thinking while watching Rogan defend this lying, cheating piece of shit!
Mike Hughes the accusers were cheating too and accused him for personal reasons. And everyone knew everyone was cheating and jealousy drove the accusations. Don’t feel bad for anyone honestly. Maybe we should all stop caring about Olympic, college and professional sports because they are all cheaters.
It's not just that Armstrong cheated, but it is the fact that he set out to DESTROY anyone who accused him of doping
Yeah, and if you talked the shit about me like like all those assholes talked shit about him you wouldn't even exist. I thought Lance was pretty kind.
Do you just copy and paste this comment
I love how Lance had those bracelets that blocked out the sun and prevented wrist cancer.
Yup, didn't understand much of what that guy said.
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This discussion was way more informative than what I’ve read in the past about Lance. Thank you.
The problem with armstong is he vilified and tried to ruin the careers of journalists who called him out for steroids. He went after them with such vitriol righteous hatred (videos on youtube) and THAT is why he fucked up.
Fwiw he apologized to those who he did that to after things cooled down.
One was a former very close friend.
I don't know what McKneown's definition of vitriol righteous hatred means but it could have crossed the red line of being libel and that is against the law.
No, not even that! Other fellow cyclists! He bullied competitors like crazy. Horrible man. Read up on it.
Journalists are a bunch of nerds trying to interrupt people who knows what they are doing.
And of course that makes everything ok.
The reason everyone questioned Armstrong was his absolute dominance. When you watch the current crop of winners they are not riding away from everyone on the mountain top finishes. Having been an amateur racer for 10 years, I have an appreciation for what happens when, in spite of the training required, your body just stops and says no more. I never saw that when he was winning.
Well... Sky was making sure they were not making it too obvious.
Bollox!!!!
That's not true either. Watch Jonas Vindegaard in Stage 11 2022 - he rode away from Tadej Lance style.
Dominance at getting high
@@CAO-sportsmed Pog also had no team mates around him, had run out of food and water because of the Roglic master stroke. He was even asking the team JV car for water.
Isn’t Lance Armstrong the first guy to ever bicycle to the moon?
No that's Buzz Lightyear your thinking of.
I thought it was Neal Degrasse Tyson
No, that was ET
You’re thinking of the kid from E. T
Nah that was Elon Musk
His name in Enhance Armstrong.
Nice
Hence his name is Enhance Armstrong after all
Lance Pharmstrong
He just said everyone before him was juicing that won.
Its been said already but I'll say it again. Everyone used epo, and did transfusions, it isn't good but it happened. Obviously if he hadn't done any of it he would be incredible, but even while doing it he was incredible. The problem was that he first of all pushed his teammates into using unfair methods, and then destroyed their careers when they blew the whistle. There is no coming back from that.
Everyone 😂😂😂😂. The man was not only a cheat but he grassed in others who doped
I’ll say it again. Greg LeMond did not use any drugs. He rode clean.
Great interview
The chosen won! What are you doing her. You been interviewing junks lately?
Fuck you
@@PaintMyTaint Classy
@@PaintMyTaint Doesn't understand the subject matter...that's why he so salty.
PEDs are extremely dangerous. They are forbidden not only because it makes sports unfair, but they allso have consequenses on the human body. Just look at the retired atheles in east germany who were forced to take steroids and other substances to enhace their performence. To even consider that all athletes should use PEDs to ”even it out” is nonsense
Extremely interesting. Could listen to this for hours
My grandma has Lactaid with cereal, because if she has regular milk, she farts up a storm.
LMAO different lactate :^)
Good one
Let er RIP!
Me too. Plus explosive diarrhea. It’s a struggle.
Craig Patterson those images are all on you bro
@@derekdavis8614 you sure?
Love the perspective Peter ! Being a competitive cyclist and always trying to raise my FTP. Most people don’t know the genetic differences between the ability to suffer or the natural ability to shuttle lactic acid. The body is so uniquely different per athlete. Between muscle fiber types to Anaerobic Capacity. Everyone is different. Good stuff. I’ve had my hematocrit to 52 and felt amazing on the bike. And that feels very different at 47-48... you just have that extra bit... extra ease to push harder and farther...
That shis why I never went past a cat 2. That shit tore my ass up. Constantly hit the wall between 15 to 25 miles in every race.
Wow, Tom Morello knows a lot about sports performance!
Ikr.....juicing in the name of....
Bruce Call
Juice on parade.
😉👍
@@daveyponderosa9549 fuck no I won't juice like ya told me.....
Bruce Call 🤣🤣👍👍
@@daveyponderosa9549 💪👍😂
“What am I on?”
“I’m on the moon.”
“What are you on?”
The classic response to Lance Armstrong doping is: "Well, he was really mean to people who tried to expose him."
No one ever tries to expose bodybuilding, by the way. We know it's not clean, so why bother?
Tour-level cycling is the same. No one is clean at the top.
the classic defence of Lance Armstrong doping is to try to paint everyone to be dirty so that what my guy did was okay
Did he not take people to court and try to ruin them financially etc, when they spoke out about him doping?. That alone makes him a horrible person. Knowing he was doping and trying to ruin those who spoke out about it. Complete sociopath. Glad he was finally outed and had to eat some humble pie
Greg Lemond was clean
Interesting conversation. Pro athletes have to deal with what intense training does long term. I’ve always been a gym rat, and taught fitness classes as a hobby. Now in my mid fifties and the people who I know that continue to train like they are in competition look and feel terrible. Crippled with arthritis
Chasing cancers all over their bodies. Balance in exercise and nutrition is important
Genetics is huge. I trained with Olympic caliber swimmers growing up, and some of them had such a clear edge over others, and they were rarely the hardest working in the pool.
This exactly, at school we had a pair of brothers who were in the GB Olympic programme as sprinters and I don’t think I even saw them break a sweat while demolishing other schools
@@Alf763 and that’s why there not the best in the world if they kept pushing themselevs who knows were they would be
@@AA-wv1pr the key to being a good sportsman is knowing when to try and when not to, a school competition isn’t the time to try, a national trial is
If your extremely intelligent and I ask you what 2+2 is and you do it with ease “without breaking a sweat” should you be punished for that?
Swimming is mostly technique.
It is so refreshing hearing someone who really knows his shit and a bit more, like knowledge of chemistry and biology is far more than just bro science
Lance's story is fascinating. He went from the most protected athlete in the world to a paria. While all of his direct rivals were getting suspended for doping, he was portrayed in the media as the clean working guy that escaped death to rise to success. And a few years after he retired, the "truth" was revealed and the same media were acting shocked and throwing him in the mud. I will always wonder why...
What do you mean you'll always wonder why? Thats how it works, "innocent until proven guilty" as they say. During Armstrong's career, specifically his post cancer, pre retirement career, he never tested positive for PEDs. From '99 to '05, he won the Tour de France every year and only ever tested positive for cortisone 1 time, but since he had a doctor retroactively write him a prescription for a topical cream for saddle sores, he wasn't suspended. If he had retired in '05 he may have never been caught, but 3 years later he started watching the Tour on TV, and felt the itch, he couldn't help himself and he returned to cycling with the intention of entering and winning the Tour again. But his behavior caught up with him. USADA began investigating him, and finally enough former teammates were willing to out him. Suddenly all the journalists and associates like Betsy Andreu who had been claiming for years that Armstrong was dirty, were now credible, they were proven correct and were now vindicated. That's why the media turned on Armstrong. They felt foolish, they had been deceived. Despite the dozens and dozens of former riders and journalists that claimed Lance used PEDs, the media was on his side and defended him, and when he finally confessed they were all too eager to get in line to extract pounds of flesh from him. The fact is, Armstrong was an excellent competitor and rider, and the instant he decided to use EPO and testosterone, he was excellent at hiding it and discrediting anyone that made accusations against him. At that point Livestrong was a global brand, Armstrong himself was a global brand. He had no choice but to continue lying and continue doping. Then like I said earlier, his only chance of successfully getting away with it was if he had permanently retired after his 7th win, and never looking back. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't do that, he came out of retirement and was immediately back in the public eye and was immediately back in his accusers crosshairs, and this time the people investigating his drug usage were federal agents with badges, instead of just journalists or former riders. Now the penalty for lying was much more serious, and therefore Lance's former teammates like Hamilton had no choice but to confess, and Lance was finally brought down, and had no choice to confess.
Perhaps the way he behaved has something to do with it.
This is a guy on a bike. Now, apply this difference between media image and reality to something important. Ukraine, Covid, politics... all versions of the same thing. Basically, endless bullshit.
The powers that be had made all the money they could have off his back, and then decided to find their “morals” once it was no longer convenient (or profitable) to support him.
Funny how Nike, Trek, or UCI never gave even a single penny back in protest once the truth came out…
@@dylanfarnum4121 that's a well written summary mate 👍
When the story broke I did not want to believe it. Lance Armstrong was cyclings golden goose. He was good for the sport around the world. Non-enthusiast knew the sport through him. Non-enthusiast today could not name a single cyclist. It does not make what he did right but at the time you could not compete without roids.
An apolgist for a drug cheater. You hear it all the time: everyone else is doing it, so I'm justfied in cheating. Ben Johnson said the same thing. That argument is just a cop out.
Wow, this was extremely informative
Agree with Dr. Attia. Having also been a small time amateur bike racer I know first hand how difficult that sport is. You don't win the TdF or Giro D'Italia on mineral water and powerade. Hincapie, Hamilton, Landis, Leipheimer, those guys were unbelievable cyclists. Hamilton finished the TdF with a freaking broken collarbone one year, unbelievable.
To be fair, a collarbone injury isn't going to effect your legs isit. that's like saying ohhh he won 1 year with a broken nose😂😂😂
@@combatfighttalkuk.546you literally lean on the handlebars while riding. Than when you get out the saddle younuse your upper body aswel. He literally grinded down 11 teeth and had to get them capped. But he was doping and on blood transfusion type shit
The look on the guest's face explaining the lactate tolerance - hydrogen ion issue is fascinating. I have no intellectual background and I'm amazed just listening.
Yes his heart was able to expand to three times that of a normal man. A stat from around 2004. By _normal man_ that probably means a typical man from society in the worst possible shape.
It's not just the TdF that takes a physiological toll on the body. Riders ride through an entire season that lasts around 9 months. A rider's roster is much like anything else, interspersed with periods of work and rest. Those who start off young grow into the demands of the sport, and then through a natural genetic selection, the best who carry through become the ones best adapted to the rigors of the sport. At this point cycling is not painful per se, quite the opposite in fact. The big question is what happens when riders stop.
You can think of this sport as a process of natural selection, sped up. So what drives riders through the sport? Glory, fun, the highs, many of the emotional aspects.
What a well spoken guest. Top notch
It sounds like hitting the wall as a distance runner and the pain of pushing through it. I just can't imagine myself backing up like the tour does day after day.
They also ride for like 6 hours over hundreds of miles each day. It's like running a marathon every day for 21 days.
I totally agree with you,the field was level when he won,the funny thing is the first year Contador won,he was on the same program as Lance !
Unfortunately there were some clean guys like Basson and Lance even bullied him. This will always remain a big stain on his vest. If you take over the sport against the other bad guys, at least show respect to the ones that do this for the love of the sport!
@@InTheSh8 anyone winning grand tour stages isnt clean...fact
@@karl8805 You think Basson was on the juice?
Good interview. Real dope guy.
i heard Greg Lemond (another american french tour winner) say on tv that it was impossible for Lance Armstrong to win without doping, just because of his lack of pulmonary capacity, and this when he (Lance) was winning the french tour... everyone was screaming on the poor Greg who was absolutely right, and nobody was willing to listen to him at that time. Sad
He almost killed Greg, Lance took Gregs company down and also his self-esteem!
Afther that Floyd made it even wors.
He blackmailed Greg that he would tell the world that Greg was abused by his uncle when he was young...
Think about it, this Greg man is a hero! A hero!
In 1994 he stept of his bike afther a few days in tour because he couldn't hold on..
He said, i am in the best form ever but this way of riding has nothing 2 do with being a professional cyclist!
This guy has a good story telling voice and seems very knowledgeable & credible..
That’s one hell of a curve on that cap doctor
Mr. Mojo Risin and it's off centre, its reallllly annoying me lol
Dude, he’s white...
It's grown ass mans hat your probably one of those man child wiggers who want to become a different race and turn transgender wearing them children's hats 🎩
Hahah this is the hat real men wear in the real countries outside of man child America dudes in America be thinking their young after 35 and shit. 😂😂
Shaq Oneill if you use terms like "grown ass man" you probably aren't too grown yourself bud.
Men that wear flat brim hats are embarrassing.
I really enjoy every time you have Peter on, super smart, but able to articulate his thoughts so well. Agree 100% with his assessment of Lance.
Wow!!!! The most important analysis on champion Lance and the sport from 1991-2011.
What a great 7 minutes thank you
I don't really know Lance Armstrong but here is the truth about him.
jhon hall hahahah I love that
Betas
Ikr.....wtf
As a German I have to say that I enjoyed these duels of Lance and Jan alot. And I admired both in a certain way: Jan overall was probably the more physically gifted (on that high level of genetic freaks) and the one you would probably prefer to have a beer with, but Lance definitive was and is till today the best of them all! He brought a level of focus and professionalism to the game that was unseen before. And to be able to motivate yourself 7 years in a row and to suffer every year for that one goal made him the best! I can't put it in better words than Jan Ulrich who once replied on the question if he would feel cheated by Lance, taking into account that he was doped and that then he (Jan) might would have won the Tour many times: 'I know who crossed the finnish line first!' Nothing more to say. Great era, great sportsmen!
As a german i disagree strongly
You are supporting and admiring a cheater..boohoo for you too..
I remember during my early teenage I was a big fan of Ulrich..but my world crashing down after the scandal..Those were all fake heroes...
@@Shinoj4852 not a cheater if everyone is doing it dumbass
As a german i also highly disagree...Especially Ullrich is a pos of the higfhest degree...last thing he is known for is choking hookers when they want to get paid...he a real POS...both of em destroyed cycling...the fairy tale that everyone was doped back than is exactly that, a fairy tale...those 2 pieces of shit betrayed every other competitor...they just did..there were clean riders (And thats a fact!!!)... to say you enjoyed the duels of these 2 cheaters is utterly stupid...why you think ullrich never admitted although being tested positive? because he would be stripped of everything he "achieved" and rightfully so...both are naturally born losers...look at them now...they are true Pieces Of Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@Shinoj4852guess what every hero is a fake hero.. at the top of every sport there are dopers. Not even the Olympics are spared
It wasn't the crime. It was the cover up. The lengths he would go to silence people was chilling.
The very best in any sport must 'have it all' - genetics, desire, work ethic, diet, etc... they may tend to slack on one or more of these elements, but not all of them!
On my feed, just in time for the 2019 Tour.
4:09 - 4-24
Any links or information on removal lactic acid out the body quicker ??
I love how Lance had those bracelets that blocked out the sun and prevented wrist cancer.
"Lance never had a hematocrit over 50..." WHEN TESTED. No doubt when testing wasn't expected or even averted by Lance's cabal, he had whatever level he wanted.
He was tested all the time - in fact, he was significantly tested far more than any of the other cyclists.
Clearly you guys were sucking him off so you should get tested too
Lol, they took large amounts saline through an IV to momentarily lower the hematocrit in the blood, so that when he (and his term mates) were tested they were always below. Doesn’t mean they weren’t doping and riding with a much higher level of hematocrit.
Salt injections!
Plus Lance had the best doctor in the world 2 give him the perfect dope but also 2 give hime the perfect hide program
Armstrong's hematocrite was officially 42% which is above average but not so high compared to other cyclists. 50% is considered as a limit and only a few people are above naturally. Antidoping agencies are testing this hematocrite rate to determine if whether or not an athlete could be hold suspicious of using PED. However, this number can be f*cked with and it has been shown that Armstrong's hematocrite got much higher or much lower periodically. What you've got to understand when talking about Lance Armstrong is the level of sophistication his and his team's "medical program" - as it was called - had. They were not fooling around: they knew precisely what they were doing and how and that alone explains why it took so long for the antidoping agencies to get him.
Pierre Ballester's and David Walsh's first and second books about Lance are absolute gold mines when it comes to PED use in cycling and it gives a sense of what can be done in any sport.
42% is pretty low mate.
Lance was a force of nature, a prodigy, single minded & with an unbreakable spirit, determined, driven & motivated. He had that intangible quality, that few human beings possess, that makes a champion. He had an paralleled work ethic, an aptitude for the sport that had seldom been seen before & was genetically gifted with the all the attributes specific to this sport. Doping enhanced these already exceptional abilities, to levels that no one else, at the time, could match.
@@dyschromotopia This. But people will still try and destroy this man without thinking about the amazing things he did for Cancer Research around the World, and inspiration for all of those dying around the World.
@@dyschromotopia and that is why he DNF 3 of his first 4 tours. lmfao you freak.
yep just like all the other guys, ever heard of operation puerto, look it up then youll understand what being a top pro rider is all about. lance wasent doing anything new or special. he just got himself a gun when he realized his rivals has 9mmers.
I had a choice when I was a young boy riding a bicycle. Start getting blood transfusions to keep up or buy a moped. I went with the moped.
@AG Coarseman Yep, I could hit 35mph with it.
This is an amazing interview
It is over sized lungs and the ability to deal with lactate
Lance only had one ball, give that man some roids
One testicle produces the same testosterone as two; testosterone-production regulated by a feedback mechanism in the brain.
One guy in WW1 England got a brain-tumor, and he produced so much testosterone that was just like on steroids.
Just like Hitler.
I could listen to this all day long, so good.
What is good about this?
Do you guys have the link for the full podcast ? Thanks ! :D
Lance was probably the best athlete among his competitors but let's be honest he was also the best doper.
You don't win 7 times by not being the best doper
if you read tyler hamiltons book, ferrari wasent about the use of large amounts of many drugs but rather the pin point use of a few. many teams doped more than us postal. lance trainer harder and could suffer more than his competitors
@@cypriano8763 bullshit. lance wasnt even afraid of positive tests because they simply were swept under the rug.
@@cypriano8763 Nonsense. Not to mention doping doesn't affect everyone the same. Studies have even shown no statistical significant improvement in performance by some people given EPO...
@@Schnidler whats hard to understand, all of lances competitors for gc doped as much or more than he did. he wasent doing anything more than the other guys. if anything he was doing less. ferrari was so good because he understood the minutia of human physiology and performance. he said you needed 3 things to win the tour, 1 train more than the others, be super thin and 3 have a high htc/hmgl. lance would have won regardless of doping in my opinion, it was a level playing field
Lance cheated and he cheated big time and then he destroyed people who called him out on it. What a great guy. I hope he is walking around with only a barrel around him....
I had a sub in high school who raced phelps when he was in high school and he mentioned how Phelps does not have lactic acid buildup so he doesn’t get tired
interesting
@Dante 92 I’m sure he had heard about Phelps prior to their contest and he was my math sub for a couple of days
Lance would have gotten away with it and still had all seven of his titles if he only didn't come back in 2009 and 10 to prove himself again. That's when the French nailed him.
What this guy fails to mention that is documented in several books, is Armstrong was a “super responder” to EPO. Some cyclists can take the same dose and see minimal gains, whereas Lance saw huge gains.
He also paid the best doping doctor at the time, Michele Ferrari, lots of money to work exclusively with him.
I need to find that doctor
So what? some people are born with huge vo2 maxes. All elite athletes have massive genetic advantages. He just took advantage of his at a time when you had to cheat to compete.
Not to mention all the money he paid to silence lots of uci people. This interview is BS in my opinion. L.armstrong is not a saint he destroyed many peoples life, teammates, for saying the truth.
He also failed to dress like an adult. Hipster cosplay or just douche?
Odd to be so specific about certain numbers and finish with ‘I don’t know if this is true ‘
I thought lactate did not dissociate into protons. Someone with BC knowledge correct me if im wrong
What’s the full episode number ?
Joe "Whoa" Rogan
Whoa-gan.
Woah Rogan
Lmfao
Joe Whoagan
Hahahahaha
man Peter Attia doesnt look like Jordan Schlansky from the Conan O Brien show?
Which episode is this?
Which episode is this
Let's not forget Lance had the best doctor and doping team by a mile compared to everyone else,
Yeah I guess he also had the best doctors when he was 15 years old competing against grown men.
Lance had a great lactate tolerance and particulary strong arms!
What Lance had in his peak was an incredible 'VO2Max', and that's regardless of how much "drugs" he took. The VO2Max - a measure of aerobic fitness - is 50% genetic. Lance' VO2Max was not quite as high as Greg LeMond's VO2Max. Greg's was somewhere around 90. And Lance was 86. That's just unheard of. Very few OLYMPIC LEVEL athletes have a VO2Max of 85, let alone over 90! That's why even though everyone else was juiced to the tilt, Lance still beat them all!!
And Lance also helped people defeat their cancer, including mine. Yes, I know Lance was hated and sued by many at the time, but I'm biased and always will be for what he did for cancer patients and for how he made ALL OF US BELIEVE WE CAN DEFEAT OUR CANCER!!! AND IT WORKED FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS!!! I'll FOREVER be grateful to Lance Armstrong!
i personally believe that sport are to test the natural physical capacities of any person, if you want to use some kind of enhancer then the goal change and now you are searching for the best human + enhancer combination. Im not against that, but every one should know that now the goal is different.
I wonder how that interacts with technology. For instance, we allow some swim suits but not others. Are shoes an enhancement over our natural body for a sprinter? It's more of a spectrum.
It's interesting we accept the notion that we shouldn't have people think that you need drugs to be the best at a sport but there's plenty of things where we're okay with someone needing certain genes to be the best like height for a basketball player. Yet drugs are more democratic in a sense, in that anyone can access them, your genes were out of your control before you're born.
and be forced to be on exactly the same doping agents which even then wouldn't necessarily have the same effect on all competitors...level playing field my ass
“Our ‘roided up guy beat those other ‘roided up guys” - Bill Burr
That is the motto of international cycling.
Polter Geist hahahahaha. I remember him saying that on Conan.
Polter Geist European cyclists are drug tested weekly, so Lance won by being the only roided up guy. Sorry to burst you American ego.
True. Lance was and is the best racer of all time.
Apollyon 1975 - your very wrong
This might be the first guest on this show that actually knew what they were talking about....
What number interview is this?
"But everybody in this era was on drugs."
Yes, until they started beating Lance and Lance started making some phonecalls to his friends is high places (Hi Hein Verbruggen, chief cover-up of Lance's positive test at the 1999 TdF) and all of a sudden the supply of doping to the likes of former teammate Tyler Hamilton and Spanish climber Iban Mayo dried up. And Lance's competitors all of a sudden got vitits from the doping controllers. So yes, all of the cyclists were doped, but all of them weren't *sshole bullies who wanted to win by all means necessary like Lance did.
If they had given Iban Mayo free reign he would have smoked Lance in 2004
Didn't he get Blood transfusions.
It's Amazing he's alive . His body has been through alot of stuff.
Let's be truthful, top level sports is so corrupt sadly - every one takes steds/ drugs (even asthma inhalers ) to give them ahead start. And a career.
The bottom line was that no one could beat a doped up Jan Ulrich and the other top riders who were already doping when Lance came along. Dope or go home,
arcticwanderer2000
True story buddy.
Love him or hate him.......true story.
😉
Yep. True.
It's crazy how he had all that strength in 1 arm.
That's a great interview Joe. Fascinating. Pete certainly is a measured, bright and interesting fellow.
I love this, on lots of levels.
I think it's amazing that he won the tour so many times while on drugs. When I'm on drugs I can't even find my bike.
Lance still pedaled every foot of the mountains
Lance should be evaluated in his totality: he was an inspiration, and a knob. He made cycling entertaining, and harmed it massively. He didn't create the doping issues in cycling, but it's too simplistic to say he didn't cure it either. He went beyond mere denial, he bullied those who tried to change things.
His story reminds me of the film, The Talented Mr Ripley: he was someone who fought his way out and up, but once he'd started doping and winning things and lying about it, it was a treadmill. That doesn't of course justify the bullying...
Then there's the impact on cycling. His legacy has stained the sport. But he made people pay attention to sport, he brought knew spectators, and those of us who were already cycling fans, saw interesting racing. And he's been an advocate for cycling, for getting on a bike and riding, since retirement.
And then there's the cancer community. For all his sins, Lance did inspire people who had cancer.
Let's just see the whole picture.
Armstrong was always a selfish pile of garbage
It was all a lie!
I love how Lance had those bracelets that blocked out the sun and prevented wrist cancer.
This guest is awesome.
Joe has amazingly real interviews without all the big-media biases...especially about drug use.
this aged perfectly. Not being sarcastic.
Yep except Jon Jones interview.
That's a pretty bold statement "every pro cyclist from 1991 - 2011 was on a PED program". If that's the case it was a level playing field and Armstrong did win all 7 Tours. In time he will be forgiven.
He won't because he's a truly terrible human being.
@@davecassady7468 Doesn't really matter anyway. He won, he knows he won. His team mates know he won as did his competitors. Since he's admitted everything, a lot has changed with LA. But I understand. Haters only hate.
@@robvan6527 I don't hate him, I just think he's a sociopath. Of course he's one of the all time great cyclists....but he's also one of the all time great liars. He tried to ruin peoples lives for telling the truth. And he will not be forgiven for that. He can never be trusted ever again.
People defending Lance. You guys don’t even know half the story. I used to like him too despite the doping but now think he is the lowest of the low.
Lance actively snitched on competitors for doping when they became a threat during TDF. He called UCI on Tyler Hamilton for doping when Tyler beat Lance on TDF time trials. He also treated people who were caught as worse than dirt. Floyd Landis partly snitched on him because Lance blocked him from getting signed up by teams after he had served his suspension. Also whenever someone became a threat to Lance in the peloton, that person would be out of the “inner circle” and Lance would withhold drugs from them. He was forced to change this strategy when he came close to losing TDF in 2003. He didn’t cheat to level the playing field. His unsportsmanlike behavior to HIS TEAMMATES and competitors shows he didn’t believe in FairPlay at all.
It’s one thing to cheat when it’s the reality of the sport but at least do it like a gentleman. And lance was no gentleman but an awful bully and a holier than thou hypocrite whenever things got tough for him.
So true!
I loved Lance so much but than we found out he is an awful human being!!
He slept with many woman from teammates, he destroyed Greg Lemond his business and on and on ....
A Billy in the came! We can say that Lance is a Malignant narcistic person
I agree... every one of the top riders were on dope, and he beat them all. Right or wrong, the field WAS pretty even. What WAS wrong with Lance is that he lied and threw some people under the bus.
no one was doing blood transfusions which was highly more effective than EPO.............And no one dare challenge him because of his power and intimidation
People keep saying 'everyone was doping', it was a 'level playing field'... That is simplification. What if there was one guy that wasn't? And not all teams had the resources and crooked doctors that the big teams with the big budgets had. And how can you know that LA did not in fact take more, more often, only better controlled before any tests? True, he was dedicated (haha), and obsessed, but to this day he is saying he won those titles. And Rogan saying 'they didn't dope much' - compared to what? It sure reads like much in Hamilton's book - stockpiles in fridges, planned programmes before events etc. - just saying 'everybody did it' does not cut it imo. Not everybody did the same amounts. It does not really matter I guess, but LA is still a delusional denier, and character counts.
@@EmmaKnightleyNo1 pp
The fact that the first riders were cheating doesn't make it right. Keep going down the list and you will find one clean rider. Then you found the real champion. The last guy to get there rode the same distance. Only difference is taking more time by being clean.
We can't possible know if the field was pretty even. Some people have a better response to PEDS. He could have been on a better program. What we can say his body had the best response to PEDS
with these suggestions...what about the trickle down effect to...amateurs?
I was a competitive cyclist for 4 years with the Prospect Wheelers in Brooklyn.I got out of it when my teammates started doping in amateur races for 50.00 prize money.Its insidious.
Im 54 yrs and still racing mostly Gravel now, My 1st race was in 1982 at 16yrs old...I've been around the block in road and mtn bike racing... Yes( your right) the level of drugs in cyçling is unbelievable at a levels....
I think we should allow specific PEDs for all professional athletes.
Yes , good discussion. We are in the early times of creating in a physical sense, superhumans!