Filthy Disgusting Ape yup! And I totally thought that was awesome then also. Sadly that was the last good battlestar Galactica episode of the reboot, imo. Everything after was down hill into the trash heap.
I kind of wonder if Mr. McMahan put that the Antaras nacelle throw into 'Terminal Provocations' as a homage, but that only works if Mike and Robert have been talking.. have you?
I can totally see why CBS sued y'all... You were making something WAY better than anything the morons over there could do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, I wish it got made!
If there's anything that corporate suits hate, it's outsiders whose work makes it glaringly clear how ineffective and mismanaged their own work is. This was magnificently choreographed and masterfully realized by Mr. Tobias.
@@texashale65 If CBS were smart they could have worked out a deal and brought in the Axanar team into the fold and produce this officially, but instead it's their loss of a profitable and successful film and Fan's loss of seeing an excellent Star Trek film.
@@oculosprudentium8486 I have heard rumors that Lucas was taking it back, but to be honest, I don't know how much better he would be. He is kinda out there these days too. But Kathleen Kennedy being gone will be great!
The guys at Axanar have shown they are pretty damn talented. Axanar should just quit making Star Trek fan films and use their talents to create a brand new Sci-fi franchise just like Seth MacFarlane did, that way CBS will not be able to sue them again.
That really is a dang good idea. There are several themes that could be developed using works from Clarke, Asimov or others for backdrop. Working a deal along those lines might produce something akin to the success that Battlestar Galactica enjoyed.
@Michael Dinneweth Tell you a little story. Neil Sadaka, back in the 90's, decided as a promotion to seek new talent for an album. Enlisted radio stations in the major markets. His problem was not that he could not find great talent but that this country is overflowing with talent which made the the job even harder. Thanks to the democratization of computer hardware and software, what used to take millions to produce the early CGI that ILM used is now available at reasonable cost. So for CBS to generate a flop simply tells me the Suits were involved, who have neither the heart for the thing or the whimsy to make it interesting. Sad.
They literally released an update on their channel back in July. While it certainly is not going to be exactly the same as originally intended, they're still working on it.
The thing you've really nailed - and it's something that most of the Star Trek TOS and TNG films couldn't do at the time for more dynamic shots - and what the NuTrek doesn't get - is that the movement of the shots needs to be the camera moving in space instead of the ships flipping around like an F-15 in space.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot Ships could do weird manoeuvre and looks good. Babylon 5 did this many years ago, and worked fine. Here, the Ares doing the same kind of manoeuvre that the White Stars did on Babylon 5, but more slower... Giving the impression that really it's a heavy huge ship. I really love! I remember many years ago, toying with a USS Defiant 3d model on 3d MAX, seeing if I could make some high turn manoeuvres, and I didn't think on something more simple more wonderful like this.
CBS has ruined the franchise. The fan creativity is mostly top notch. If they were smart they would support a dozen of these ventures a year, fund them and pay a royalty for the good ones - and even sell them to Netflix et al. Then they can call up the talent pool for new products. The more great content the more pervasive the concept. Licensing enables them to control quality. Their business approach is pure stupidity. When fans go to this extent to create superior micro-detailed sets, superb CGI and quality scripts is just a shame to waste that passion, dedication and commitment. Shameful - what a waste.
I was thinking along similar lines. The talent pool that CBS is neglecting!?! I suspect that CBS along with Disney and most of the old guard are just too attached to the old ways of doing business, and it will eventually be their downfall.
I'll go one further, a fan generated source stream would be an the best way to fire the imagination of the next generation. Writing is a whole another game and far more engaging than going tappy, tap on tictok.
Why does this have to be a Star Trek project? If it’s a good enough story then set it in an original universe. You’re hi-jacking an already established franchise, built by other people over many decades, to create your own original work. That’s not how creative people should be thinking. Where will all the original content come from if all anybody does is keep re-making old stuff forever?
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To be honest, that's true of any combat vessel. Almost nothing of a warship is without offense/defense purpose. Even if the ship were stripped of weapons, the ship itself is a weapon.
If only you could have completed this in secret then get "hacked" so it spilled out on torrent to the wilds of the internet. This could have been THE greatest Star Trek movie, professional or amatuer! I still watch Prelude to Axanar every few months.
Space combat with actual tactics (looking at you tractor beam catapult maneuver). When even action sequences tell of story and personality behind the mere visuals, you know you're in high quality territory. Compare these half-finished stringed shots with the ''battle of the USS Copy/Paste fleet vs the IRW CTRL-V'' in Picard, or the ''swarm pew-pew battle'' of DISC season 2, or the ''peek-a-boo mushroom-drive harassing'' of season 1 and you see why CBS went into panic mode about Axanar and fan films.
Axanar got shafted by Paramount. The fandom is what's kept Star Trek going during the HUGE lapses & gaps in official productions - and fan films are a major part of the fandom.
It's like another knife cut every time you say "that never will be." Those ship maneuvers are what I want in space. It's one of the reasons I loved what Ronald Moore did with the Vipers in his version of BSG.
All These animations and scores are truly dope AF! Your's and Tobias's work is so thoughtful and beautifully well done. I Would have loved to see your vision realized.
Tobias' animatic was just so amazing that I nearly choked on my tuna sandwich. I was originally going to splurge on grilled cheese ...but then we got sued. ;-)
Just that opening sequence with the Klingon fleet and homage to the Klingon theme...just blew me away! This IS the Star Trek I want to see...such a shame. But thank you for sharing what I'm sure is a heart break.
Wow! Ya know what your Ares doesn't have? A big, stupid window in the front of its bridge! Axanar may never be completed, but thank you for getting this detail correct!
Wow! …Even after 3 years since this was posted…still shows the creativity, professionalism and possibilities! What a missed opportunity…I have no doubt…had this been able to have been completed and shown in the theaters…folks would be blown away by the quality of the actors and stage sets….good job…..wished Axanar could still be finished some how….good job!
I would like to see you write and produce an original story with original characters. That way, no one could come and sue you. You are very talented and I would like to see a full length feature film from you.
Yes. Continue to crouch and conspire and plot and plan for the inevitable destruction of CBS trek. When the sea is a dead sea, and the land a wasteland, we will rise up with our own ideas, our own shots, our own characters, our own dynasty! Born in the chaos of 2020, it should be at least one good thing that can come out of this foul year of our lord. Now, go kick their asses, and throw in a nacelle or two.
The cleaving of the nacelle and flinging it onto the second ship would have been a thing of beauty. A real shame we will never see this in its full glory
In my novel "Axanar: The Destroyers" I will write that the "Dragon Claw" Was developed specifically to counter the Ares. The Destroyer fleet ALWAYS operates in a Triad (3 Ship formation) While a ship in a Triad might be detached to operate on a solo mission, it NEVER strays far from the Triad. The Triad can split up for specific missions but NEVER flies off too far. Whenever a D series shows up, the Triad forms up. Using the Dragon Claw on a Triad of up gunned Destroyers would be disastrous for the "Klunkers"! The Triad would break and attack from all angles. Or it would concentrate all its firepower on one ship and then take out the second on the next pass.
The fact that these videos you're sharing are so beautiful and fill me with joy, it's just such a shame that they fill me with anger and heartbreak even more...... I can't believe CBS would stab all its fans and especially its fan creators firmly in the back. You guys are truly the staple of what star trek is and it takes me back to when i would get excited at watching a new piece of trek material. Sadly, that feeling is no longer present with current trek. All i can hope is, that CBS come to their senses sooner rather than later and reverse their decision. Thanks for sharing your awesome work with us.
In an alternate universe, CBS & Paramount would embrace the project and it would become an awesome instant classic. Thank you for all your work nevertheless.
The powers that be at Star Trek should get their act together. Love the slower space battle shots vs. flying around with quick camera shots. That's what made STTWoK so good
OMG ROBERT!! This is so amazing, thanks for sharing...it’s such a pleasure hearing all of the passion and enthusiasm you’ve got for this as you break down each of the shots! Cheers 🍻😎🚀🛸
I really love how there is emphasis on the beauty shots of the star ships. The aztec hull patterning, the running lights, the fusion of TMP and TOS asthetics. Very much like the motion picture in scope, beautiful and awe inspiring. None of the "official" material up to this point seems to capture the weight of the ships nor the power they need for interstellar travel and combat. The angles are familiar yet fresh.
I could almost hear the Klingon bridge crew applaud the brilliant tactician responsible for the nacelle maneuver as they all stand in unison to accept an honorable death from a worthy opponent
All three featurettes are AWESOME!!!! I so badly wanted to see this film!!! I wish CBS/Paramount would pull their heads out, and hire all of you to make this movie! It would put Star Trek back on the map! Where it belongs!!! Not hiding some fake Star Trek show(s) on their CBS pay for network. This film would have made people cheer for Star Trek again!!! Great work to all of you. I Love it!!!^
Such a pity this was never to come into fruition, Paramount shot themselves in the foot by eliminating this, it's fan passion that keeps a franchise alive.
I'm behind Axanar all the way. Here's to seeing a finished Axanar film in the future. This isn't just "some fan film". Its so professional, and you can feel the passion for Star Trek in every shot, and every line. Its way better than Kurtzman Trek out there now, with gaping plot holes, and no regard for cannon. Rock on Axanar!
I was a kid when I watched the original series, been a fan ever since. Enterprise missed a golden opportunity to fully explore foibles of the human race and in the last season become more of a repeat of the original. Picard lacked punch even though it had principals from TNG. Simply put, the saga needs new blood and these series of vignettes prove that to be the case. Damn shame.
The tractor beam gambit reminds me of a brilliant idea someone had in of the CG chats I'm on: a ship makes a brief jump through a debris field toward the target, and the jump itself acts like a slingshot, hurling some of the debris at near light speed into the target. I myself had a similar idea about fifteen years ago involving a failed early quantum slipstream test: very short test hop - entry goes fine, but some kind of imbalance twists the ship slightly off axis. The result is some ridiculous shear with the ship literally bending until it breaks, collapsing the slipstream. The waiting crowd at the observation station sees a series of flashes ranging from very distant to pretty nearby with pieces of the ship hurtling out at the most extreme velocities imaginable and stretched along their direction of motion (in essence looking like javelins), slowing and shortening to normal as they shed all of that energy. Of course, several fly right through the observation post at such speed that it doesn't even explode, just silently disintegrates surrounded by distortion waves as each piece flies through (or even nearby). It's basically what if the Excelsior transwarp failure hadn't just been a funny computer failure. ;) I can build, light and texture all of the models involved in that concept as I see it in my head, but have no idea how the hell to animate it. LOL
I feel CBS is upseting everyone with killing off fan made films and making bad series one day this will come back and kick CBS in the ass and i hope its soon
Damn CBS! Your work is amazing! Im glad you took notes from General Chang on pummeling your opponent with debris! I always liked you put the First Gen Bird of Prey in this sequence! Truly amazing work!
This is what might have been when passion and love takes precedence over cash grabbing, talentless, diversity forcing corporations who don't respect the source material, the fans, and don't even understand the property. There is no justice in the world. Maybe one day, when we will outgrow this side of humanity. Maybe.
These were awesome, at least these felt closer to Star Trek then what is being produced now. This was like watching the old starfleet battles game come to life
I used to play Star Fleet Battles as a kid. I like how Axanar is so close to that model. The D7 is very formidable, until you get to the Federation Heavy Cruiser (Enterprise class). Then the phaser ones and photons just tear a D7 apart. It is not even a contest. In a head to head charge the Federation cruiser loses it forward shields, but they regenerate and the D7 is badly crippled and burning. The best a D7 can do is the 'Klingon Hook' maneuver but it takes a pretty dim witted Federation captain to let a D7 on your aft shields. Just charge them with your torpedoes hot and loaded and let your phaser ones do the rest. And your phasers recharge so fast you can kick them on the way out. But the Ares is closer to a light cruiser, thus the drama. The Federation needs the heavy cruiser to counter the D7, which is what Axanar is about. D7s will prey on light Federation ships. But once a Federation Heavy Cruiser is launched it becomes King Kong smacking chimps about.
Seriously, in that game phaser ones are are the most lethal thing short of a Romulan plasma torpedo. And they recharge fast so you can keep hitting them. Stay close and keep hitting them, nobody's shields can hold. "The Andorians were happy to supply the phasers". Ha ha.
My heart weeps for the loss of this movie, CBS should burn in Hades for stopping this production. Nothing they have made since even comes close to the core of true star trek lore as this movie would have. Discovery was a dismall failiure and Piccard.....well, enough said about that. I remember the feeling of anger I felt when I heard the news that CBS had finally stopped the movie from going forward. I wonder if CBS realised what they had done was a death knell not only for fan movies everywhere, but also for themselves and the Star Trek franchise, this was a movie made by fans for fans and because of their petty greed they turned away so many people who had stuck with the franchise simpley because it was Star Trek.
man i just love the rotations. carried over from the Kelvin Timeline and it is my favorite part of the Kelvin Timeline movies. just imagine being on a klingon ship and a UFP ship just yeets your friends warp nacelle at you.
Guys, as a huge fan I've gotta say, AWESOME WORK! And don't say the film will "never be made" Put all this on the shelf and let your ideas ripen some more over time. I think once this CBS-Kurtzman fiasco presently masquerading as Trek is over, your faithful work will be remembered and renewed. Don't give up!
Capturing the inner eight year-old is something that made star trek so real for many of us. But good luck trying to explain that to CBS Paramount executives.
Man. Instead of CBS suing you, they should have hired you! I really wish this was completed, I would definitely watch this more than what CBS is doing right now.
Love the starship tumble and reverse, and tossing the nacelle would indeed have been fantastic and memorable. Doubtful the igniting plasma gag would work up close, but it has potential from further away, an homage to the hero-tosses-his-match-into-the-fuel-leak of so many action flicks.
So sad this didn't get made! At a time when there's so much going wrong in this world really could have used this little thing to brighten people's spirits 😢
So much talent here! It needs to be harnessed! Perhaps, create your "own universe". Maybe like "Star Trek" was SUPPOSED to be the future (unspoken for protection from lawsuits), but then a cataclysmic event hits the Sol star system, and a "new future" was created. And THAT resulting "new future universe" would be YOUR amazing universe!!
Regarding doing fire in CGI for the burning plasma in space, an option to get around the CGI problem would be to use a practical effect and composite that in. That's what a lot of studios would have done. A very good example of early composite work was the heat rays from the Martian war machines in The War of the Worlds (the 1953 version, not the remake). They used acetylene torches and composited the footage over the filmed footage of the war machines. For the plasma you could film at high speed the ignition of a flammable liquid spread across a shaped surface that followed the contours of the plasma volume, then record it at high speed from the angles you want to use in the shot. Some testing could be done prior to the "beauty" pass to account for burn rate, and color filters could be employed on the camera to make it appear red or blue or whatever color you want for burning warp plasma. To add some pizzazz to the effect you could add in some powder used in fireworks to make small spakling effects. Since there's no "up" in space, only "out" when it comes to a volume, you'd want to keep the surface level so any fire would not look directional. That was a big mistake in early films using models where the smoke went "up". The proper way to avoid that would be to have filmed a rocket nose down so the exhaust plume went directly rearward when the frame was rotated 90 degrees - something they hadn't figured out back in the day. Once the fire effect was filmed you could composite that in with the CGI and work your lighting effects from that and simulate the plasma volume pre-ignition based on the filmed burn pattern. All of it would involve a bit of work (and money and a lot of safety) but it would look far more realistic than a CGI attempt at a volumetric fire if done right.
You should keep everything on a back burner for when someone else in charge of Star Trek actually wants to make a deal for Axanar and actually officially produce it. I don't expect CBS or Kurtzman to do so, but they probably won't officially own the rights to Star Trek forever.
I love the strategy involved in the starship battle scenes, and I'm a sucker for unconventional battle tactics. I love the throwing the starship part at the enemy starship, but I would have phaser'ed or torpedoed it just as it was about to hit and set up a chain reaction explosion all along the front end of the Klingon ship and have the exploding shrapnel gouge out entire sections of the ship as momentum carried the shards forward. Also, that "fuel trail" trick was one you got from the Riker maneuver (Insurrection), wasn't it? Riker dealing with the pursuing Son'a ships trying to stop him from sending communications to Starfleet Command. :P
I saw a Chandley class frigate! My fav from Star Fleet Battles, part of my childhood. Surprising myself with my emotional response. I am sooo mad at CBS/Paramount right now!
On the DS9 series the jem Hadar always used an initial maneuver I wanted to see. It's harder to fight at warp particle weapons have a tougher time, outgunned ships have escape at warp option. But all starships have the same vulnerability, the emissions grill where volitile warp plasma is directly exposed. Jem Hadar on DS9 series always initiated attack by direct pinpoint fire on emission grill, one nacelle per ship. Doesn't matter how strong you are, that one tap on just one spot on one engine your warp is gone for duration of battle, and serious risk of plasma feedback going like a fuse straight into the core.
Simply the best star trek writing ever. It’s always been about the Ship on Star Trek. Thank you for bringing this to life. CBS IS TOTALLY CLUELESS. All they want is a soap opera.
Bad ass is right!! I don't usually think of most Star Trek scenes being this cool. The maneuver made me think of combat in Babylon 5 with the White Stars. Seeing it in a Star Trek ship made it that much more awesome!!
Absolutely fantastic. Axanar is the kind of Star Trek I enjoy...a good story supported by innovative visual effects that are top shelf. Don’t be surprised if Paramount/CBS rips off pieces of what you’ve done here. A pox on them.
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The nacelle being thrown into the Klingon ship is something I never knew I needed in my life! So badass!
Kind of like how the Landing Pod of Pegasus smashes a Cylon Base Star AFTER 'The Beast' is destroyed ramming another Base Star!
that is a common move, during ship combat on my table top Star trek RPG....
Filthy Disgusting Ape yup! And I totally thought that was awesome then also. Sadly that was the last good battlestar Galactica episode of the reboot, imo. Everything after was down hill into the trash heap.
Read my above comment!
I kind of wonder if Mr. McMahan put that the Antaras nacelle throw into 'Terminal Provocations' as a homage, but that only works if Mike and Robert have been talking.. have you?
I can totally see why CBS sued y'all... You were making something WAY better than anything the morons over there could do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, I wish it got made!
If there's anything that corporate suits hate, it's outsiders whose work makes it glaringly clear how ineffective and mismanaged their own work is. This was magnificently choreographed and masterfully realized by Mr. Tobias.
@@alanparsonsfan "I can read your mind..."🤓 And all I can say to the morons at CBS is "I wouldn't want to be like you." 🤓
@@texashale65 If CBS were smart they could have worked out a deal and brought in the Axanar team into the fold and produce this officially, but instead it's their loss of a profitable and successful film and Fan's loss of seeing an excellent Star Trek film.
@The Mad Atheist So true!
@@oculosprudentium8486 I have heard rumors that Lucas was taking it back, but to be honest, I don't know how much better he would be. He is kinda out there these days too. But Kathleen Kennedy being gone will be great!
The guys at Axanar have shown they are pretty damn talented. Axanar should just quit making Star Trek fan films and use their talents to create a brand new Sci-fi franchise just like Seth MacFarlane did, that way CBS will not be able to sue them again.
Great idea. Be nice if the fans could get together and sue the hell out of CBS for ruining the franchise!
@@rgrim11 Not the fans property so they have not standing in court. Sad.
That really is a dang good idea. There are several themes that could be developed using works from Clarke, Asimov or others for backdrop. Working a deal along those lines might produce something akin to the success that Battlestar Galactica enjoyed.
if enough minor details are changed it can be gotten away with.
@Michael Dinneweth Tell you a little story. Neil Sadaka, back in the 90's, decided as a promotion to seek new talent for an album. Enlisted radio stations in the major markets. His problem was not that he could not find great talent but that this country is overflowing with talent which made the the job even harder. Thanks to the democratization of computer hardware and software, what used to take millions to produce the early CGI that ILM used is now available at reasonable cost.
So for CBS to generate a flop simply tells me the Suits were involved, who have neither the heart for the thing or the whimsy to make it interesting. Sad.
Excellent stuff. What a shame this never happened.
They literally released an update on their channel back in July. While it certainly is not going to be exactly the same as originally intended, they're still working on it.
The thing you've really nailed - and it's something that most of the Star Trek TOS and TNG films couldn't do at the time for more dynamic shots - and what the NuTrek doesn't get - is that the movement of the shots needs to be the camera moving in space instead of the ships flipping around like an F-15 in space.
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot Ships could do weird manoeuvre and looks good. Babylon 5 did this many years ago, and worked fine. Here, the Ares doing the same kind of manoeuvre that the White Stars did on Babylon 5, but more slower... Giving the impression that really it's a heavy huge ship. I really love!
I remember many years ago, toying with a USS Defiant 3d model on 3d MAX, seeing if I could make some high turn manoeuvres, and I didn't think on something more simple more wonderful like this.
CBS has ruined the franchise. The fan creativity is mostly top notch. If they were smart they would support a dozen of these ventures a year, fund them and pay a royalty for the good ones - and even sell them to Netflix et al. Then they can call up the talent pool for new products. The more great content the more pervasive the concept. Licensing enables them to control quality. Their business approach is pure stupidity. When fans go to this extent to create superior micro-detailed sets, superb CGI and quality scripts is just a shame to waste that passion, dedication and commitment. Shameful - what a waste.
I know, right ! Why CBS can’t see what is blatantly obvious is heartbreaking.
I was thinking along similar lines. The talent pool that CBS is neglecting!?! I suspect that CBS along with Disney and most of the old guard are just too attached to the old ways of doing business, and it will eventually be their downfall.
I'll go one further, a fan generated source stream would be an the best way to fire the imagination of the next generation. Writing is a whole another game and far more engaging than going tappy, tap on tictok.
Why does this have to be a Star Trek project? If it’s a good enough story then set it in an original universe. You’re hi-jacking an already established franchise, built by other people over many decades, to create your own original work. That’s not how creative people should be thinking. Where will all the original content come from if all anybody does is keep re-making old stuff forever?
because CBS is thinking like Disney, like the recent Disney dumpster fire Mulan, which was utter garbage, and people wonder why I stopped watching Hollywood films, instead prefer watching Japanese Anime and Chinese Donghua,
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Chinese Donghua
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Someone payed attention to Chang's speech about startships. "Everything on a starship is a weapon. Her tractor beams can pummel an enemy with debris."
I was just thinking about that!
To be honest, that's true of any combat vessel. Almost nothing of a warship is without offense/defense purpose. Even if the ship were stripped of weapons, the ship itself is a weapon.
If only you could have completed this in secret then get "hacked" so it spilled out on torrent to the wilds of the internet. This could have been THE greatest Star Trek movie, professional or amatuer! I still watch Prelude to Axanar every few months.
The insight into the process is priceless. And, I'd LOVE to see an ST space battle this inventive and this much fun!
Many Klingons were killed during the filming of those scenes.
It was a good day to die.
C'est la vie
-Admiral James T. Kirk
They found their way to Sto'Vo'Kor. Quvha'
Space combat with actual tactics (looking at you tractor beam catapult maneuver). When even action sequences tell of story and personality behind the mere visuals, you know you're in high quality territory.
Compare these half-finished stringed shots with the ''battle of the USS Copy/Paste fleet vs the IRW CTRL-V'' in Picard, or the ''swarm pew-pew battle'' of DISC season 2, or the ''peek-a-boo mushroom-drive harassing'' of season 1 and you see why CBS went into panic mode about Axanar and fan films.
Axanar got shafted by Paramount. The fandom is what's kept Star Trek going during the HUGE lapses & gaps in official productions - and fan films are a major part of the fandom.
Instead of something like this, we got Michael Burnham.
It's like another knife cut every time you say "that never will be." Those ship maneuvers are what I want in space. It's one of the reasons I loved what Ronald Moore did with the Vipers in his version of BSG.
Wonderful! Just wonderful! You could have put this in the theater and I would have seen it multiple times!
Wish you were at least consulting for Star Trek. that was beautiful man,
All These animations and scores are truly dope AF! Your's and Tobias's work is so thoughtful and beautifully well done. I Would have loved to see your vision realized.
Tobias' animatic was just so amazing that I nearly choked on my tuna sandwich. I was originally going to splurge on grilled cheese ...but then we got sued.
;-)
Your passion and love for Trek is what is missing in todays Trek. Love y’all
I love what the 8-year-old in you came up with. Throwing a warp nacelle at someone is pretty awesome.
This is like a gladiator slicing your arm off and then beating the other guy to death with it.. EPIC!
I was thinking along the lines of a extremely Pissed off Wookie.
Just that opening sequence with the Klingon fleet and homage to the Klingon theme...just blew me away! This IS the Star Trek I want to see...such a shame. But thank you for sharing what I'm sure is a heart break.
So sorry this film won’t be made. Gives this old fart goosebumps every time I watch bits from this version of Trek. THIS IS TREK!
Rob - As Icarus tried to reach the sun, sometimes when we try to touch that goal we get burnt but as filmmakers we keep trying.
Wow! Ya know what your Ares doesn't have? A big, stupid window in the front of its bridge!
Axanar may never be completed, but thank you for getting this detail correct!
Wow! …Even after 3 years since this was posted…still shows the creativity, professionalism and possibilities! What a missed opportunity…I have no doubt…had this been able to have been completed and shown in the theaters…folks would be blown away by the quality of the actors and stage sets….good job…..wished Axanar could still be finished some how….good job!
A sequence this epic NEEDS to be in a major motion picture. This needs to be seen by the masses!!!!
I would like to see you write and produce an original story with original characters. That way, no one could come and sue you. You are very talented and I would like to see a full length feature film from you.
I’m working on that right now.
Yes. Continue to crouch and conspire and plot and plan for the inevitable destruction of CBS trek. When the sea is a dead sea, and the land a wasteland, we will rise up with our own ideas, our own shots, our own characters, our own dynasty! Born in the chaos of 2020, it should be at least one good thing that can come out of this foul year of our lord. Now, go kick their asses, and throw in a nacelle or two.
The way the shots are done has a very Star Trek the motion picture vibe to them
The cleaving of the nacelle and flinging it onto the second ship would have been a thing of beauty. A real shame we will never see this in its full glory
In my novel "Axanar: The Destroyers" I will write that the "Dragon Claw" Was developed specifically to counter the Ares. The Destroyer fleet ALWAYS operates in a Triad (3 Ship formation) While a ship in a Triad might be detached to operate on a solo mission, it NEVER strays far from the Triad. The Triad can split up for specific missions but NEVER flies off too far. Whenever a D series shows up, the Triad forms up. Using the Dragon Claw on a Triad of up gunned Destroyers would be disastrous for the "Klunkers"! The Triad would break and attack from all angles. Or it would concentrate all its firepower on one ship and then take out the second on the next pass.
I sit here watching awesome work while wearing my Axanar T-shirt, i was a donor
The fact that these videos you're sharing are so beautiful and fill me with joy, it's just such a shame that they fill me with anger and heartbreak even more...... I can't believe CBS would stab all its fans and especially its fan creators firmly in the back. You guys are truly the staple of what star trek is and it takes me back to when i would get excited at watching a new piece of trek material. Sadly, that feeling is no longer present with current trek. All i can hope is, that CBS come to their senses sooner rather than later and reverse their decision. Thanks for sharing your awesome work with us.
my god man, this stuff is great. I can see why you'd have so much joy in working on it.
the owners of Star Trek should have hired a Star Trek fan instead of JJ
In an alternate universe, CBS & Paramount would embrace the project and it would become an awesome instant classic. Thank you for all your work nevertheless.
The powers that be at Star Trek should get their act together. Love the slower space battle shots vs. flying around with quick camera shots. That's what made STTWoK so good
I can hear the structural force fields screaming during the flip maneuver. LOL
CBS made an EPIC mistake not scooping you all up. This kind of passion is solid gold.
OMG ROBERT!! This is so amazing, thanks for sharing...it’s such a pleasure hearing all of the passion and enthusiasm you’ve got for this as you break down each of the shots! Cheers 🍻😎🚀🛸
Absolutely spectacular! Great job!! Our loss that the film was never made ...
I'm loving these posts, keep 'em coming Robert.
It's great to see someone START with the visuals and with such love for them. Not just throwing in graphical sequences because they have to....
Trek needs more out of the box ideas like these. I would love to see the tractor beam sequence
I really love how there is emphasis on the beauty shots of the star ships. The aztec hull patterning, the running lights, the fusion of TMP and TOS asthetics. Very much like the motion picture in scope, beautiful and awe inspiring. None of the "official" material up to this point seems to capture the weight of the ships nor the power they need for interstellar travel and combat. The angles are familiar yet fresh.
This sequence is absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!!
I could almost hear the Klingon bridge crew applaud the brilliant tactician responsible for the nacelle maneuver as they all stand in unison to accept an honorable death from a worthy opponent
Thank you for sharing this behind the scenes breakdown of the VFY for the ill-fated Axanar film.
LLAP.
All three featurettes are AWESOME!!!! I so badly wanted to see this film!!! I wish CBS/Paramount would pull their heads out, and hire all of you to make this movie! It would put Star Trek back on the map! Where it belongs!!! Not hiding some fake Star Trek show(s) on their CBS pay for network. This film would have made people cheer for Star Trek again!!! Great work to all of you. I Love it!!!^
That theme combined with those shots, CHILLS!!!
He loves to say CLEAVED. Lets face it......its a fun word to say!!!! XD
This looks dam good I no longer want cbs crap even their visual effects suck
Such a pity this was never to come into fruition, Paramount shot themselves in the foot by eliminating this, it's fan passion that keeps a franchise alive.
Except this went well beyond that.
I'm behind Axanar all the way. Here's to seeing a finished Axanar film in the future. This isn't just "some fan film". Its so professional, and you can feel the passion for Star Trek in every shot, and every line. Its way better than Kurtzman Trek out there now, with gaping plot holes, and no regard for cannon.
Rock on Axanar!
Very cool! So sorry that we won't get to see it completed! HAIL to all those involved in this vid!
I was a kid when I watched the original series, been a fan ever since. Enterprise missed a golden opportunity to fully explore foibles of the human race and in the last season become more of a repeat of the original. Picard lacked punch even though it had principals from TNG. Simply put, the saga needs new blood and these series of vignettes prove that to be the case. Damn shame.
The tractor beam gambit reminds me of a brilliant idea someone had in of the CG chats I'm on: a ship makes a brief jump through a debris field toward the target, and the jump itself acts like a slingshot, hurling some of the debris at near light speed into the target.
I myself had a similar idea about fifteen years ago involving a failed early quantum slipstream test: very short test hop - entry goes fine, but some kind of imbalance twists the ship slightly off axis. The result is some ridiculous shear with the ship literally bending until it breaks, collapsing the slipstream. The waiting crowd at the observation station sees a series of flashes ranging from very distant to pretty nearby with pieces of the ship hurtling out at the most extreme velocities imaginable and stretched along their direction of motion (in essence looking like javelins), slowing and shortening to normal as they shed all of that energy. Of course, several fly right through the observation post at such speed that it doesn't even explode, just silently disintegrates surrounded by distortion waves as each piece flies through (or even nearby).
It's basically what if the Excelsior transwarp failure hadn't just been a funny computer failure. ;)
I can build, light and texture all of the models involved in that concept as I see it in my head, but have no idea how the hell to animate it. LOL
I feel CBS is upseting everyone with killing off fan made films and making bad series one day this will come back and kick CBS in the ass and i hope its soon
Damn CBS! Your work is amazing! Im glad you took notes from General Chang on pummeling your opponent with debris! I always liked you put the First Gen Bird of Prey in this sequence! Truly amazing work!
This is what might have been when passion and love takes precedence over cash grabbing, talentless, diversity forcing corporations who don't respect the source material, the fans, and don't even understand the property. There is no justice in the world. Maybe one day, when we will outgrow this side of humanity. Maybe.
Your effects looks much better than CBS Discovery. The movement and crisp view of the ships is beautiful.
These were awesome, at least these felt closer to Star Trek then what is being produced now. This was like watching the old starfleet battles game come to life
That was absolutely fantastic...and it nearly brings a tear to my eyes knowing that this will never be.
God bless you all.
Seriously!!! Like WTF!! I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS FOREVER
I used to play Star Fleet Battles as a kid. I like how Axanar is so close to that model. The D7 is very formidable, until you get to the Federation Heavy Cruiser (Enterprise class). Then the phaser ones and photons just tear a D7 apart. It is not even a contest. In a head to head charge the Federation cruiser loses it forward shields, but they regenerate and the D7 is badly crippled and burning. The best a D7 can do is the 'Klingon Hook' maneuver but it takes a pretty dim witted Federation captain to let a D7 on your aft shields. Just charge them with your torpedoes hot and loaded and let your phaser ones do the rest. And your phasers recharge so fast you can kick them on the way out. But the Ares is closer to a light cruiser, thus the drama. The Federation needs the heavy cruiser to counter the D7, which is what Axanar is about. D7s will prey on light Federation ships. But once a Federation Heavy Cruiser is launched it becomes King Kong smacking chimps about.
Seriously, in that game phaser ones are are the most lethal thing short of a Romulan plasma torpedo. And they recharge fast so you can keep hitting them. Stay close and keep hitting them, nobody's shields can hold. "The Andorians were happy to supply the phasers". Ha ha.
All this stuff is so awesome! It's so unfortunate that we'll never be able to see this as a finished product.
No one who works on Discovery has this much passion or fun making that show.
You've heard it all before, but this looks like it had so much promise to deliver an audience!
My heart weeps for the loss of this movie, CBS should burn in Hades for stopping this production.
Nothing they have made since even comes close to the core of true star trek lore as this movie would have.
Discovery was a dismall failiure and Piccard.....well, enough said about that.
I remember the feeling of anger I felt when I heard the news that CBS had finally stopped the movie from going forward. I wonder if CBS realised what they had done was a death knell not only for fan movies everywhere, but also for themselves and the Star Trek franchise, this was a movie made by fans for fans and because of their petty greed they turned away so many people who had stuck with the franchise simpley because it was Star Trek.
man i just love the rotations. carried over from the Kelvin Timeline and it is my favorite part of the Kelvin Timeline movies.
just imagine being on a klingon ship and a UFP ship just yeets your friends warp nacelle at you.
Guys, as a huge fan I've gotta say, AWESOME WORK! And don't say the film will "never be made" Put all this on the shelf and let your ideas ripen some more over time. I think once this CBS-Kurtzman fiasco presently masquerading as Trek is over, your faithful work will be remembered and renewed. Don't give up!
Capturing the inner eight year-old is something that made star trek so real for many of us. But good luck trying to explain that to CBS Paramount executives.
Man. Instead of CBS suing you, they should have hired you! I really wish this was completed, I would definitely watch this more than what CBS is doing right now.
Love the starship tumble and reverse, and tossing the nacelle would indeed have been fantastic and memorable. Doubtful the igniting plasma gag would work up close, but it has potential from further away, an homage to the hero-tosses-his-match-into-the-fuel-leak of so many action flicks.
Alexander Bornstein’s music sounds great!!!
Dude this is awesome! Just awesome LOVE ship combat!
The shots are magnificent! I wish the film had indeed been made.
6:11 reminds me of a BSG Viper move. Good thing for SIF's and ID's!
Its a bootleg turn if im not mistaken.
Now this is real Trek! You put JJ Abrams into the dark ages! That is why they wouldn’t let you finish this masterpiece!
The "Icarus Maneuver" reminds me of a "Bootleg Turn" (i.e. a 180*) parking brake turn used by Moonshiners to evade the police...
So sad this didn't get made!
At a time when there's so much going wrong in this world really could have used this little thing to brighten people's spirits 😢
Good to see Star Trek again
So much talent here! It needs to be harnessed!
Perhaps, create your "own universe". Maybe like "Star Trek" was SUPPOSED to be the future (unspoken for protection from lawsuits), but then a cataclysmic event hits the Sol star system, and a "new future" was created. And THAT resulting "new future universe" would be YOUR amazing universe!!
Regarding doing fire in CGI for the burning plasma in space, an option to get around the CGI problem would be to use a practical effect and composite that in. That's what a lot of studios would have done. A very good example of early composite work was the heat rays from the Martian war machines in The War of the Worlds (the 1953 version, not the remake). They used acetylene torches and composited the footage over the filmed footage of the war machines. For the plasma you could film at high speed the ignition of a flammable liquid spread across a shaped surface that followed the contours of the plasma volume, then record it at high speed from the angles you want to use in the shot. Some testing could be done prior to the "beauty" pass to account for burn rate, and color filters could be employed on the camera to make it appear red or blue or whatever color you want for burning warp plasma. To add some pizzazz to the effect you could add in some powder used in fireworks to make small spakling effects. Since there's no "up" in space, only "out" when it comes to a volume, you'd want to keep the surface level so any fire would not look directional. That was a big mistake in early films using models where the smoke went "up". The proper way to avoid that would be to have filmed a rocket nose down so the exhaust plume went directly rearward when the frame was rotated 90 degrees - something they hadn't figured out back in the day.
Once the fire effect was filmed you could composite that in with the CGI and work your lighting effects from that and simulate the plasma volume pre-ignition based on the filmed burn pattern. All of it would involve a bit of work (and money and a lot of safety) but it would look far more realistic than a CGI attempt at a volumetric fire if done right.
You should keep everything on a back burner for when someone else in charge of Star Trek actually wants to make a deal for Axanar and actually officially produce it. I don't expect CBS or Kurtzman to do so, but they probably won't officially own the rights to Star Trek forever.
Such a shame that the dream of Roddenberry was handed over to a company of hacks, such a shame
was handed over? handed by roddenberry coz the dream was kinda dead around that time and needed the money.
I love the strategy involved in the starship battle scenes, and I'm a sucker for unconventional battle tactics. I love the throwing the starship part at the enemy starship, but I would have phaser'ed or torpedoed it just as it was about to hit and set up a chain reaction explosion all along the front end of the Klingon ship and have the exploding shrapnel gouge out entire sections of the ship as momentum carried the shards forward.
Also, that "fuel trail" trick was one you got from the Riker maneuver (Insurrection), wasn't it? Riker dealing with the pursuing Son'a ships trying to stop him from sending communications to Starfleet Command. :P
when we are watching this movie in theaters or on tv ... it looks extraordinary
I saw a Chandley class frigate! My fav from Star Fleet Battles, part of my childhood. Surprising myself with my emotional response.
I am sooo mad at CBS/Paramount right now!
On the DS9 series the jem Hadar always used an initial maneuver I wanted to see. It's harder to fight at warp particle weapons have a tougher time, outgunned ships have escape at warp option. But all starships have the same vulnerability, the emissions grill where volitile warp plasma is directly exposed.
Jem Hadar on DS9 series always initiated attack by direct pinpoint fire on emission grill, one nacelle per ship. Doesn't matter how strong you are, that one tap on just one spot on one engine your warp is gone for duration of battle, and serious risk of plasma feedback going like a fuse straight into the core.
This looks and sounds better than what we are currently out of Paramount/CBS. Sad that the feature film was killed.
Goes to show what CBS miss out on. Fantastic work!
Simply the best star trek writing ever. It’s always been about the Ship on Star Trek. Thank you for bringing this to life. CBS IS TOTALLY CLUELESS. All they want is a soap opera.
Bad ass is right!! I don't usually think of most Star Trek scenes being this cool. The maneuver made me think of combat in Babylon 5 with the White Stars. Seeing it in a Star Trek ship made it that much more awesome!!
This looks better than anything to come from CBS/Paramount in years!
Wow!! It is so obvious that you LOVE Star Trek! In your hands, the brand would have grown and expanded.
Absolutely fantastic. Axanar is the kind of Star Trek I enjoy...a good story supported by innovative visual effects that are top shelf. Don’t be surprised if Paramount/CBS rips off pieces of what you’ve done here. A pox on them.
I love it!! Eight or Eighty throwing a Warp Nacelle, what age wouldn't enjoy that! That's some cra - cra stuff. lmao
That plasma D6 explosion, WTW!
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Totally epic video. This is the Star Trek we need.
That was truly amazing &epic! I'd so loved to have seen this!🖖