PCP Air Rifle Tuning Demonstration (the secret is in the sound).
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- This works. Try it. Something I forgot to talk about in the video... Note how muzzle jumps significantly less for the tuned setting vs the out-of-tune setting. 👍
If your new to Airguns and want to learn , listen to this dude.. Ted is one of the Elite everyone. Learned a lot from this guy. Thanks
I'll add something. NOTICE the recoiling difference between the two settings. Note how muzzle jumps significantly less for the tuned setting vs the out-of-tune setting.
What speed are you shooting the fx hybrid slugs ?
And I have just got my 700mm superior liner in .25 😀
I would like to thank you and other with the same passion who have help make these amazing changes in the air rifle industry
HoldOver Vlog I have an FX wildcat lll sniper what would be a good reg setting for Nielsen slugs 43.8 gr
The best comparison for us to hear it from a computer was the last demonstration as you quickly alternated between the two settings and shortened the duration between shots with the editing. That showed the difference that you were hearing in real time. Nice description of the procedure.
As a new PCP shooter, I would say you did a great job boiling down a process that seemed to be very complex. I love your videos Ted, and really admire you for sharing your expertise so freely.
I could’ve went into more detail, maybe I’ll make a video.
Long time follower here, I got into air guns when I was 14. Im 22 now, and have quite the collection now. Thanks for the videos throughout the years.
That's the way you explain something. Short, sweet and only what you need to know.
I was watching somebody else's tuning video and after 10 minutes of gobbledygook, I switched to this channel. Thank goodness.
Nice clear explanation. Thank you Ted ! Following you for 3yrs. We all need guidance in our sport.
I've been doing this for a few years even on tuning un-regulated guns. You definitely hear when is all working together efficiently.
Ted, that was a great practical demonstration of how just a few turns of the power wheel can make a big difference. Another thing I noticed is cocking the gun is so much smoother, not getting that same force as the spring is taking on the load right toward the end.
This is so helpful back to the tuning range for me taught me something I didnt know
Thanks for sharing. I total agree with you my friend. When the gun is in its happy place you can hear the difference. To much power...it sounds angry...when it’s right...it just sounds right, not too aggressive, quieter, less torque, smoother. You can definitely hear the difference. By the way I hope you have at least one more video coming on the .25 Avenger. I set my reg at 22-2400 psi, hammer spring at max, and it pushing JSB Hades 26.54s @ 914 dead nuts accurate. Really digging this gun bud. Take care and God Bless you and yours.
You are a treasure trove of information Ted. Thank you!
Ted, as always, thank you very much! You are the guy I have trusted most since meeting you at RMAC 2019! Honest and sincere.
Eamon
The most clear and easy to understand tuning explanation for the Impact I have seen. What's missing is a description of how that tricky adjustor for the regulator valve works. It has a big impact on air use and velocity. I have messed around with it a lot and have found it is really the secret to consistent velocities. I would love for that to get included in a tuning video. Thanks so much for spending the time to put this stuff out there. It really appreciated as many of us are working on this stuff in a bit of a vacuum.
man that was perfect tut and the idea is delievered with ease and now i got to tone my Kozak that accurate but too much air lost. now i have something to try and im quite sure i will have better resualt even from now. 😊
I was always intimidated to mess with my settings, I think this video gave me enough base knowledge to dig into it
I personally found the best results looking for air savings and not high speeds
Thank you again
This was like getting a grandmother’s special recipe!!
I've yet to buy a pcp. However, when I do I feel I'll be better prepared from all the knowledge I've sponged from you Ted. Genuinely, thank you so much.
Josh... I took a full year of video reviews to decide. Just because Ted used the FX brand know that they are SUPER slow at getting products out once Ted and Matt Duber show them. Like 6 mo or longer. Daystate are really good but expensive...yes more so than FX if you can believe that. Best way to choose your gun is: 1. Make sure it is regulated. 2. Know what you will do with it. Hunt. Pest control. Target. And k ow the distance you will be shooting at. 25m 50m 100m 200m. 3. Choose Caliber wisely. .177 is fine on calm days or indoors posting but you MUST be super accurate and only head shots. .22 is good for posting and hunting indoors and out. Still must be doing head shots but tolerates wind better. .25 Pesting Hunting Competing and now you can go for the heart lung shots. .30/.35 ... yeah those are more expensive ammo so I cant advise there but hunt and target would be great.
If you can try a gun first that is a great way to go. Air gun gear show is also great resource. Good luck. Good hunting. Aim Small Miss Small.
@@dforr2981 I'm more in the bottom end of the market. Like Air Venturi Avenger type $$$. LOL
@@joshuagibson2520 hey brother as long as you are out there shootin' safe you have a host of us behind you for support. Remember that each airgun is VERY pellet specific. It took me a long time to realize that. When you purchase an airgun, ask the dealer what he recommends. Dont be afraid of used PCPs Ted has sold off many of his older guns for the latest and greatest. A place to look is my shop. I love Jeff. HONEST as the day is long...longer really. www.trenieroutdoors.com
Jeff will always treat you right. He may not have what you want today but ask him what hes got in used guns or if he has any special deals. Cant go wrong.
@@dforr2981 no doubt about pellet specific. Mine loves JSB LIGHT'S (7.33?) AND AIR ARMS FIELD HEAVIES. IT TOOK ME about 7 brands and weights. It's true. So true. I pass this knowledge to everyone I can because it's the "best bang for buck" you can to improve your airgun in my opinion.
That’s a great piece if advice, thank you Ted, sir, for having gone through the trouble of explaining this technique on video and going the extra mile with the forth-back section edit.
Great to see it all played out, side by side. Thanks Ted.
This is crucial information for accuracy, consistency and shot count. Thank you for the informative and concise video. Love your channel. Oh and recoil!
very informative and simple that's how people should create videos .... thanks TED you are man stay safe and god bless you and your family
Thank you. Now waiting on the Impact. Congratulations on your 2nd place finish on the Airgun Challenge, with the injured shoulder. Enjoyed the heck out of the series.
Oh you can definitely hear a difference in the sound I'm sure it's not as defined as in person but there's definitely a difference that was a good idea to play them back to back, back and forth like that though great tutorial sir
BALANCE! It's about finding the perfect balance, a bit like the balance of facial hair to visible face lol. Great info as always and a nice beard. Best wishes from the UK
thanks bro that's very nice of you to share this type of info...
I've watched this video several times but one thing I did kind of skip over is where you say that your camera might didn't pick up the difference between the two hammer spring settings I'll tell you right now you can tell the difference by far please keep doing what you're doing I love your Channel you brought me back into airgunning
Awesome I know what your talking about now I finally got my impact mk2 25 shooting in that sweet spot thanks for sharing
I just ordered a dreamlinelite bottle this is so helpful. I never have had a gun I could tune b4
Thanks again for everything you keep helping us in ways others just can.
🥃cheers🍻
Thanks for the tips, Ted. Awesome info as always
So true... Time ago i had a chinese Fox M22, and at full hammer (42 joules) there was quite not difference with 3/4 hammer in speed, a few fps, so I left it in 3/4 where start to decrease speed significally. Thanks.!! Greetings from Argentina...
Wow, well done Ted. Thank you for sharing, you are awesome mate.
An awesome video ! Keep up the great work! 👍
I just subscribe to your channel I am a new guy with my first pcp rifle and I really love to learn how to calibrate my rifle. Thank you for the information I really appreciate it.
Nicely explained, thanks Ted, doing a tune on my Continuum .25 this weekend, I'll be using the ears more.
The secret is watching you!
PS: the beard is really coming! nice...
Uncle Abe?
@@rickoshea8138 Exactly what I was thinking. LOL! :
For a noob as I am this is very helpful indeed, thank you!
Thank you very much, your recommendations are perfect, thanks again and greetings from Argentina
Love it buddy! Great video as always
Yes could hear the diff. Thanks for sharing!!!
Love your vids Ted. Thank you for sharing knowledge! Aloha!
For those whose ear is not attuned to the finer differentiation between the two settings, the Chrono numbers can be used to find the optimal HS setting. Simply shoot a string of shots at a particular HS setting that is consistent in speed with a very low standard deviation.
Amazing videos! Can’t get enough. You should to a tutorial series from basics to expert with all the knowledge you’ve obviously compiled. Any suggestions for the novice who want to truly get in and learn this stuff?
I now you said that the camera mic can't get the right sound but at the end when you edited it back and forth, you could hear the difference. This is the first time. Yes that helped. Thanks Ted. How does the wife like the Beard? Most guys wait til near the end of October to start growing our manly facial hair- looking forward to that Tirty Point Buck... On Wisconsin.
We love you Ted.
I hear what your saying sounds great thank you so much for sharing your the best.
Great video that shows the difference between a efficient shot and a excessive amount of air. Tuning for accuracy will soon be dead though. Mark my words the vibration has been tamed.
Cannot thank you enough Ted, very understandable and makes so much obvious sense now. And yes, can just barely tell the sound difference on the tube, but it’s there. And you can probably feel it also when you shoot. A critically damped system. I’ll be trying it out on my Avenger .22 with Crosman LHP22 14.3gr at 850ish fps, and reg around 1500psi probably. Don’t need a cannon like your FX’s but it would be nice to have someday! Many thanks again for all your time and effort. Go Badgers!
I understand the "washing air" bit,... Just last night I was bored so I wondered why the baffles in the suppressor of my CO2 rifle were facing the direction they do so I reversed them to see what would happen.
Some pellets were fine but pellets with longer skirts were flying all over the place from the air pushing at the pellet in a radical manner after the pellet left the rifle,... I could also see the difference with a huge puff of foggy CO2 air shoot out of the suppressor lol.
The initial sound is the same but a millisecond after your "tune" is way quieter. Can hear all the wasted air being shot out after the pellet when it's out of tune.
Thanks a lot for this useful information. Unfortunately in Germany we are are very limited in case of airguns. But it was very interesting to watch!
Good one Ted, thanks for the info.
Now you are original ted beard......
Hi Ted. Thank you for the videos. Most helpful! I saw a compressor in the background of this video. Can you do a segment on compressors, tanks and hand pumps?
Love the beard Tedd it suits the hunting well lol
The back and forth really helped.
On the alternating back to back sound check, I could hear a bit of difference on this end, but I also think I see less barrel vibration with your tune.
thanks for the video Ted. I'm digging my Element Titan btw- you the man
You are the air gun GOD!
Always informative videos. Thanks
Some do exactly as you do but reduce the hammer between 5-10%, Many like being closer to 10%.. This simulates being on the front side of the bell curve on an unregulated air gun.. Shorter duration but higher pressure when the valve opens.. Some say being closer to 10% also aids in reducing or eliminating hammer bounce influence.. The pressure is still so high in the plenum that a hammer bounce can't open the output valve a second time.. And only a portion of air is released from the plenum (similar to an un-regulated gun that releases only a portion of the air supply).. Also makes the regulator more accurate on the refill..
Thank Ted!
Hard paying attention, watching with that glorious beard Ted!
Great explanation and should improve my shot count at a given speed ! 👍
OK compadre!!!! grasias for the info very helpfull, GOD bless
Thanks very much that would be the most user friendly tune I have seen , some of the tunes on RUclips are complicated and scary . What setting on the Hamer spring did you move it to get the difference.cheers Dean
Thanks for the video, I just got a Impact .30 and my tune is not going well, so far no matter what settings I get a 30 to 45 fps spread with a magazine string.
Wow super interesting!
Well explained Ted! KnifeMaker
The Bearded Ted! A rare species of Wisconsin apex predator. Prefers small invasive birds and cheese curds. Occasionally will be seen stalking grain silos, for what we assume is his grain intake. The species appears to be omnivorous but is rarely seen without a bangstick. A female of this species has never been spotted in the wild so scientist believe this male is a lone survivor of a long gone group of Bearded Teds. We hope he one day finds a Bearded Ted Lady to keep him company with his squirrels and barn cats.
Awesome video as always Ted but how does the front valve correlate to hammer and reg tuning ?? That sir is the real question
I am downloading this. That's how good at this video is.
Thanks, Ted! Say, what's that squirrel doin' stuck to your face?? :)
BEARD!!!!!!! Yes! The extra hair is proven to give more power and accuracy! 😉😅
Great info Ted! Looks like you've been tuning a while given the beard...
Thank You Teddy✌
Very helpful thanks
Ted, as I value your opinion, I'm about to buy a Crown with boyd's thumbhole stock and want to focus on 2 different areas. 1) rats and birds at close distance 10m - 50m, and larger birds, bunnies and foxes out to 75m. The closer in game I want to use Hades and the 177 pellets with a smooth twist barrel to protect the round going through the animal and into potentially a building or roofing, and a 30cal slug with slug liner for better ballistic impact more out in the open and over longer distances. Am I on the right track or being over cautious? I know you get heaps of these types of questions, hope you get to see this one and feel free enough to comment. Cheers from Australia.
Ted,,,I would put a pair of Saftey glasses on
I hear a little less of a heavy bang. A higher pitched and lighter sounding smack. Untuned sounds like the valve is hitting the frame. Tuned sounds like the hammer hits the valve, but the valve doesn’t hit the frame.
Thanks for the video Ted, great as always! I am just about to pick up an impact and start tuning from scratch, my planned methodology is as follows and I wanted to run this past you and everyone else for a sense check? I plan to max the valve adjuster and hammer spring and only adjust reg pressure while shooting different groups, once I’ve found the best group/velocity, I will increase reg slightly and then reduce hammer spring until i see the drop in velocity and leave it there and do the same with the valve adjuster. How does that sound? Just looking to find the most efficient way of starting from scratch without wasting too many slugs (likely hybrids in .22). Everything is harder to get hold of over here in the UK so don’t want to waste any ammo! Many thanks for any response!
Thanks for this video, and all that you share with the community. I'm new to PCP, just bought my first rifle a month ago and I love it, a .30 Impact X w PP/600mm/580cc. I watched you video on the various. 25cal barrels a few days ago but I don't think you mentioned the twist rate of the .30 that you were using as "the standard" to compare the .25's against. My question (finally! lol) is: can you tell me what the twist rate are the stock .30 600mm barrel that come on new (Feb2021) Impact X MKII and are they call Superior STX "slow" barrels or something else? Thank you for your time.
Hi thanks for your so interesting video ! After selling my 22LR I decided to buy a PCP. I am very drawn to the FX Impact MKII which I find very beautiful, but here in France there are a lot of unhappy customers who return their gun to the distributor ... Is the Impact Crown less of a problem?
God damn
I knew there was a catch
What backstop are you using..? I didn’t hear any ping.. & thanks for the info I’ll be listening out for the hammer release
You show the power wheel is set at "Max". Do you also max out the hammer spring adjustment as a part of the process?
Great start on the beard, perhaps a 2/10 on the Edeleman (Julian) scale :). I've had mine since 79' and still can only manage 6/10 on the Sklar (Leland) scale of grey beards. Remember the tip given by Mr Kringle in Miracle on 34th St "...the cold air helps it grow".
Thanks for all you do!
Great video. But would this apply to slugs too? You want that extra air pushing the slug as fast as it can. So I assume there has to be some wasted air.
Hi Ted this is a very exciting video for me as i currently have a fx streamline .22 fac and i wanted to get the jsb 18gr up around 860-880 but my hammer spring maxed out at 860 !! is it bad to have the hammer spring maxed out ?? should i up the reg a little and reduce the hammer spring ?? only problem with stream line is no reg gauge wonder if i can wing it with 1/4 turns at a time ?? thanks
Hi Great Job explaining that . Just stay the same on too much fun on smoking . All the best love and happyness.
Well, that was very interesting. I just purchased the Kervan Airboss K1 25 cal. It’s unregulated. I’m not sure if the hammer spring can be adjusted. If the hammer spring can be adjusted and there’s no regulator, does that mean you cannot perform this adjustment on a rifle?
Hey conner mc Gregor when get into airguns ...lol nice lesson
I liking the beard 👍 Great video.
Ted, i am interested in this technique, for efficiency and to avoid deforming my valve pin. To achieve the best results with a .22 700mm barrel should i remove the silencer? Am i listening for muzzle report or the sound of the action? I own a db meter, would you say that it is a pitch or increased db?
Great information!
Can you please give me an idea, how much regulator pressure of FX impact for shooting .22 caliber slugs .27 gr?
I’ll try to tune hummer later. Thank you.
Find a speed they like and tune your gun to that speed for even better groups.
Wow, first time I’ve been the first viewer. 😃
Halo brother. You looks like Christian Bale right now.
Question, would a ten shot string with the least speed deviation between a 10 shot string be a good indicator you are in tune and would it parallel your sound tune ? My hearing isn’t what it use to be at 70 is why I’m asking .😁
Hot Chihuahua, probably more effective.
I thought I heard a bit of a whistle in another video when you mentioned it was sounding 'just right.' Can you maybe comment on this? We gotta get you a decent field recorder so you can capture the sound better.