Dead On Arrival: Intel i9-10900X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 3900X, 3950X, 9900K
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2019
- Intel's Core i9-10900X 10-core CPU lands on the HEDT X299 platform and competes in price with the R9 3900X, R9 3950X, and Intel i9-9900K CPUs.
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The Intel Core i9-10900X is Intel's 10-core, 20-thread CPU that was supposed to be a big step-up from the Intel i9-9900K. It's close in frequency -- sort of -- and higher in core count, but it's also entering a field heavily dominated by the AMD R9 3900X and R9 3950X CPUs. All three of these, of course, have been largely paper launches, but both AMD and Intel are working toward getting shelves more consistently stocked. In the meantime, the 10900X's launch is nothing short of a bloodbath, and it's not in favor of the new Intel 10-core CPU. PCI-e lane count is perhaps the only defensible position, but even that is challenged by other chips on the market.
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@Gamers Nexus
Your review made it sound like Intel was passing a test or quiz in highschool.
They got points just for signing their name....but nothing else.
I feel your "worthless" toss [ 21:10 ] of their products on your bench was insulting to even those at AMD. #IntelWorthlessInside
Savage. Nice
@@coinexchange1761 wut
You could do a completely useless "most expensive but useless components - maximum disappointment build"-video for both of them combined ;)
You sound bitter. Tired of reviewing useless products for the sake of their marketing department? :-D
Steve needs to overclock his immune system.
his body doesnt support overclocking i believe
Rife with security vulnerabilities... Must be Intel.
His body is made by amd. His architecture doesn't overclock very well
I think he has, he's just found an instability though.
@@twilightravens9798 he needs hardware mitigation, fast!
I ordered a 3950X. For the first time in over a decade, AMD will be powering my main system. CPU arrives in 2 days. I'm super excited!
I hope to be able to say the same soon :D
@@dustinmajo9897 :D
Same here, bro. Mine should get here by Christmas! And then the only component left will be the GPU. I´ll be using my aging GTX980 until Nvidia´s 3000 series or whatver AMD is planning releases next year!
@@Edino_Chattino I'm using a 1080TI. Also waiting on next gen Nvidia and AMD before I upgrade. :D
Lucky! Its not in stock untill january here
I would press F, but I don't think Intel deserves any respect for that.
Press F for Steve's throat and vocal folds.
Press L. There is no win to be had here for Intel.
@@ograin8045 How about G? That's the grenade button in most FPS games that I've played.
@Divergent Døge If you mean the meme in general, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare had a really anticlimactic part where you just press F to pay respects to a fallen soldier.
If you mean pressing G, Intel didn't so much shoot themselves in the foot as they did let a grenade go off in their hand. And G usually lobs grenades in games.
Press R
I eagerly await Intel’s follow-up, the Eleventy-hundred Series.
On fourteenity nanometer
With all these rebrands I eagerly await Intel just start putting stickers with extra numbers behind the product name on their boxes.
How about the all new Haswell they're relaunching?
@@Wahinies ++++++++++++++
@@sursomsatan1225 ''all neww''
remember when intel said amd was just gluing chips together? lol
Well I mean, if they glue chips together but it performs better than Intel's, are any of us going to complain? lmao
Firefox7755 and cheaper
@@sil3nt_noahx176 true enough
I was thinking about going back to Intel because I was using a FX 6300 for almost 4 years, but then decided to buy the Ryzen 3600 which at the time I've been out of the loop for a while and I didn't realize AMD had 3 generations of Ryzen. Bought it for half the price of a 8700K in NZ and I've never looked back. Wholeheartedly pleased and would recommend to anyone.
@Peter Cavojec what attracted me to Ryzen was the affordability for a student like me, and also the thread count, IPC and design.
Currently I'm looking for more than just gaming. I'm looking for a work related purpose on the PC which is why I went with Ryzen 3000 series.
If I was to build a PC just purely for gaming I would of bought a second hand 7700K, I actually don't care about max frames but rather FPS consistency.
@@Firefox7755 Buying a used 7700k is not smart at all. 9600k which is a faster CPU, is usually cheaper to buy brand new. And you can drop in a 9900k later.
Geez, you sound so bored already in the intro. Perfect summer of this product.
Just really sick still.
@@GamersNexus It's a sad thing digital chicken soup does not yet excist.
@@GamersNexus Ah didn't know. Haven't been keeping up recently, get well Steve.
@@TheTekknician Needs to update his antivirus definitions.
How about perfect winter of this product?
hey steve! We appreciate how you guys still put the full effort to fully benchmark products that you think are lackluster or pointless. Your focus on facts/performance/value is what really sets you apart from other reviewers!
Hope you get well soon!
I wonder how Intel's brand new "glued together" microarchitecture is coming along.
Glued together +++++++
Clearly superior in *real world* applications
That's why they are taking so long mate as they have there fingers glued together right now . lol
Let’s fuckin go
You glue so much of them together it turns from 14nm to 22nm.
Intel : Zombie Lake series.
Intel wants to have 115 :P
Let's hope AMD will gain a lot (!!!) of market share, so they will be at the position to pay 100k for finding security vulnerabilities or will be interesting enough so people will search without a bounty ... the people who found Spectre, Meltdown, Zombieload etc. were payed by Intel in a program to improve security of CPUs. AMD does not offer anything like this, so as of today it makes no sense in searching for security vulnerabilities in AMD CPUs + they only have 4% (!!!) of the server CPU market, which if you have any knowledge obviously is the only one where Spectre, Meltdown etc. are relevant (makes it interesting that gaming kids without any knowledge are the ones crying the most, even though the security flaws are not applicable on their systems ...). This is why most security vulnerabilities are found on Intel CPUs. That some of the recent were applicable to AMD processors was random luck. If AMD had over 90% market share AND would pay 100k for finding security vulnerabilities most of them would obviously would be found on AMD CPUs. To think AMD CPUs have no security flaws, only because nobody is searching for them is simply said stupid.
Btw Ryzens and Xeons here, before some 12yo will try to call me a "fanboi" again ... I don't give a single fuck about companies, I only care about the product. Sometimes Intel offers the better deal, sometimes it is AMD, which is why I always considered CPUs from both companies over the past 20+ years. The only security flaw that I ever saw being used was the one right in front of the monitor ...
you mean cocaine lake? xD
@@SURO90, nice try... Some of the vulnerabilitys where found by sorts such as Google, which is really not interested in the 100k or whatever bounty...
That doesn't mean that the average user is in grave danger or something like that, because of the vulnerabilitys, it's simply a blow to the overall image of the brand. And that's really bad for Intel...
Most of us will gladly sacrifice 5% of the frames per second in change of better security...
@@TheSilviu8x "nice try" on what exactly? The only ones found by Google and Microsoft were the 4. variant of Meltdown/Spectre which already has been patched as they made it public, which is why nobody could claim the 100.000$. That was more of a publicity stunt because everyone was on the Meltdown/Spectre hype ... Has anyone who actually found these vulnerabilitys BEFORE they have been patched declined the 100.000$ or what are you trying to say? Do you mean the BIOS updates for Spectre/Meltdown to sacrifice 5% frames for better security? If you meant choosing AMD over Intel you are misinformed in thinking to have a more secure system, as I explained above. There are reasons to take a AMD CPU over one from Intel, which is also why I went for a Ryzen on one of my systems, but security is not one of them, you must be naive to think that.
*When you see "Oof." in the thumbnail, you know Intel dropped the ball big time.*
@Divergent Døge Since they can't get their 7nm process right and are stuck with the same architecture that the 7th gen CPUs... Maybe?
whats the meaning of "Oof"?
@@Bourinos02 You mean their 10nm? They haven't even gotten to 7 yet let alone fail at it LOL
@@extreme123dz It's when you're seeing something/someone getting annihilated.
A bit of a "that's a lot of damage" thing, but with a single word.
PairusDragonoid lookup roblox oof
Get well soon, Steve.
Possibly a bad sign: When the thumbnail includes the words "Dead on Arrival" and "Oof."
Was literally obsolete in 6 hours.
I'm just going to sit happily here with my 3950x that I moved to after owning a i7 960 for several years.
great investment
I am just gonna sit here with my 2700X in the middle of the 3950X and 7600 extremes.
great investment (2)
great investment (3)
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep it depends on when you bought that 7600
Oof, that's rough. X299 is dead, and it's going out with a whimper. That means that there is nothing left from Intel in the HEDT segment until they have a new platform at the ready.
Casket lake strikes back 😍
“Casket Lake” that’s awesome 😂
Natural successor for Covfefe lake.
Geez Steve, dont hold back, tell us what you really think
What are Intel even doing at this point?
Beside adding zeros and nines to their products names.
Dont forget the PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS
Trying to pretend they have "new" products since their 10nm process fabs are completely fucked lol, just like the last half decade by now.
They've really run out of options now.
@@mduckernz they still do. admit they fucked up, and sell things at cheaper price.
Resuscitation of previous proof to work generation of their cpu lines.. With additional instructions set so it can executes current days softwares.. Technically that could work.. Even if the fabrication processes remain in 14++ nm
@@mduckernz They have only one option. Not even 10nm can save them. Their root problem is the Core architecture which Intel has been milking for over a decade now. They clearly never thought AMD would make a come back and so didn't bother working on an architecture to beat a new one from AMD. The only way they can compete on price and performance now is to utilize a chaplet type design similar to what AMD is doing. So maybe 3-5 years depending on how far along that architecture, which they have to be working on, is done.
This feels like a 1st gen TR competitor. Just seriously late.
drwho900 but it’s not supposed to compete with TR chips? Thats for the XE series chips. In fact, the TR chips are so expensive that you could compare them to Xeon chips, so why does no one do that?
ThrashRipoff is designed to milk fanboys, this is designed to do work.
@@yummyhershey5902 These are HEDT CPU-s. Xeons are Server/workstation CPU-s, with very few motherboard options for normal consumers. If you are a one man company for small music video editing or you are a content creator Xeon is most likely not an option.
@Curtis Riceman lol you AMD boys have deep arguments /s
@@yummyhershey5902 1st gen Threadripper is now crazy cheap and does about as good as this CPU. Even 2950X is very good. And take into account that last gen HEDT from Intel went up to $1900+
It's a 10 core Haswell in disguise HA
or even worse, Westmere
Nakatomi Uk i built my system when the 6950x came out... still going strong though for my needs. I really want a 3900x though. Lol
@@TheExtra40414 I just did a 3900x build... save your money and get a 3950x...it has both cherry picked chiplets while the 3909x only has one.
@@astralfoxy1787 I think he means "one cherry-picked chiplet" and presumably one less cherry-picked chiplet. But then again I forget the 3900X's exact configuration.
Technically I think these are Skylake based parts, but what's one generation between friends?
At a time when Intel keeps having 14nm shortage problems, it's amazing they choose to waste fab capacity on this...
I don't think they are wasting fab capacity on this. This is just a partially defective 12-core die, so if they want 12 cores, they'll have this 10-core garbage lying around anyway. Might as well make some money off it.
Probably all they can make lol.
I believe the 12 core is a defective 18 core, making the 10 core it's own die www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-skylakex-review-core-i9-7900x-i7-7820x-and-i7-7800x-tested/6
This is another huge advantage for AMD’s chip-let architecture, they have much more flexibility during binning to fill out their product stack.
@@BurnsRubber all of it is on TSMC. Amd only designs the chip, the rest of the innovating is done by the foundry in this case.
Aw I thought this was the 10900k, can anyone really say they're surprised on this one?
I'm disappointed it's not the disappointment we've been waiting for
@@CossackHD It will be such an awesome disappointment that the ranting will be worth the wating
@Divergent Døge You've come to the right place then, I was in the same boat before I started watching this channel. Give it some time and you'll be up to speed on intel's awful naming scheme soon enough
The 10th i7/i9s promise to be very interesting. 5'1ghz at stock, games will really like it.
Can you see about tweaking future charts to make it easier to differentiate the stock vs OC numbers? It would make it easier for users of business oriented or pre-built systems that won't be doing any overclocking, and thus are mainly interested in the stock performance.
Your videos are so God dang informative but I never can make it through them in one sitting LOL!
Gamer's Nexus: "It's DOA"
Me: "OOF"
Video Title: "OOF"
Me: "Lol didnt even read that yet."
Intel Stock Price: "OOF"
Me: *grunt birthday party cheering*
I mean, the stocks looks fine compare to the past summer
Launches such as these have no real effect on the stock price, in the grand scheme of things.
Infact even a good launch, such as the 8700k in Q4 has a minimal effect.
same XD
@@Orcawhale1 *yeah well intel has been spending more on buying back there own stocks to float them than AMD did on RND*
@@Orcawhale1 sherlock
Intel is now in the learned helplessness phase.
means??????
Appreciate the double Total War Benchmarks as it is the main game I play. Very insightful
Love the wreath, Happy Holidays! 🎄
ya know what..... im just pissed off that GPU value cant match the CPU value we are getting these days.
We NEED intel or amd to bring out SOMETHING that can BRING DOWN the PRICES of GPU's......
Well that needs to be AMD. Nvidia have no reason to lower prices. They have the high end (for gaming) pretty much to themselves. If AMD can pull a Ryzen in the GPU market, we'll get competition and lower prices. But it's not really AMD making the GPUs, any more than it's Volkswagen making Lamborghinis. Sure, they bought the company and replaced the money men, but the know-how guys are still the same people. Unfortunately, ATI guys don't seem to know how. You can't just replace them all, or you might as well have just started your own GPU company from scratch. It takes time to built the right team. The money coming in from Ryzen will help lure the right people to the team. I think it's smart not to start a GPU war just yet
GPU prices make some sense when you consider the fact that it's a processor, motherboard, memory, and cooler all bundled into one product. 🤷♂️
AMD will clean Ngreedia's clock within a year or so. AMD is powering both PS5 and Xbox2. Both have confirmed ray tracing. I'm guessing Ngreedia has a response in the pipeline, as even the 2080ti was an overpriced, lackluster part (relative to a 1080ti and the absurd price). AMD has said their next GPU will have raytracing and beat Nvidia performance, and I believe them since both of the next gen consoles are using AMD GPUs. I can't wait to get an AMD GPU and OC the hell out of it. I have a 2080ti and a radeon r7. The R7 sucks, a lot. Awful OC, awful cooling, awful drivers, and awful performance (even with a 560mm radiator that keeps the card under 50C on water). The 2080ti kicks ass compared to anything from AMD right now, albeit at way too high a price. I have no doubt next gen AMD will at least beat the 2080ti at a fratcion of the price. Since 4k monitors that run at 144Hz cost a kideny right now, I'm happy with an AMD GPU driving my 2 4k monitors @ 60Hz. Next year is going to be a great time to be a gamer, especially if the AAA publishers can pull their heads out of their asses and realize they don't need ALL the money in the world. Now we just need affordable 27" 4k 144Hz HDR10 monitors (I can dream).
@@IamtheWV17 it indeed makes sense. You also need to consider the GIGANTIC die on gpus, yield rates are shit, that's why most low end gpus are high end chips half deactivated. Amd needs to implement chiplets for better yields. I still think that a high end gpu shouldn't cost more than 800 usd though. The 2080 ti is stupid
AMD pretty much confirmed that they aren't going to bring GPUs prices down with the 5x00(XT) launch, they are literally putting right at the spot to match the inflated prices Nvidia created(slightly lower in the case of the 5700(XT) to compensate for the lack of features), even when they could probably be sold for much less when judging by die sizes compared to previous generations and Nvidia cards, there's no way that a 5700(XT) costs the same to make as the 2060(Super) or the Vega 56 at launch.
"Whatever, leave it there, it fell over" - Intel 2019 in a nutshell.
Amazing job as always love the work and quality you do
"Oof"?
lol
Big Oof
Just reminded me of all of the "highly technical" terms we used in the shop.
"batshit crazy"
"FUBAR"
Far more interesting and creative terms I just can't think of right now. This is definitely a 3-cup-o-coffee kind of day.
lol
@Divergent Døge fucked up beyond all reason.
It's originally a military slang.
reddit funny haha
Faiz Imam * fucked up beyond all recognition 😉
all of this time and intel is just now figuring out how to make a chip that can fry eggs
You must've never heard of Pentium D.
@En' Peacee Shekelstein you got that the wrong way around. Check that old toms hardware video, i believe it was the AMD chip that fried while the intel chip throttled.
@@BatteryAz1z you take jokes way too seriously
Lol Intel looked at overclocked FX and thought “seems alright I’ll try it”
Yes, AMD cpus overclocked (hi x570) and amd gpus are known for being extremely cold, of course. Hi 107 degrees 5700xt, hi 75 degrees overclocked and watercooled 3900x
I recently upgraded from an i7 4790k to a 3900x and it’s been the best thing ever. My export times have been seriously reduced which is awesome, among other things.
What about gaming core for core? My 4790K @ 4.8 still does well with gaming loads below 8 threads.
Ylke van Spankeren gaming is hard to compare since I also upgraded from a 970 to a 2080 super, so it’s obviously better but I’m not sure how much of that is CPU related
Seno rac I’m mostly 1080 with some 4K from time to time
21:40 that was the strongest audio delay between the GN logo and the sound effect for it I have ever seen in GN history, and this is pretty much the first time I've seen it happen.
Thanks for trying your best to make the review of the 10900x as exciting as it can be.
I notice Adobe Premiere benchmarks at 1080p and 4K. Wondering if you could add Da Vinci Resolve benchmarks as well at those resolutions. Resolve is free.
The minute I find a game that runs single-threaded and comes with its own OS that doesn't run 100+ threads of other software alongside the game, then I'll be impressed by single-thread dominance.
Schedulers have been a thing since at least the 1960s. I mean you're not wrong, but there's a reason Intel have been "the gaming CPU" for so long. Those 100s of minor background threads can take up a fraction of the available time on one CPU core, while Murder Simulator v45.2 runs on the other two or three.
@@technicalfool they dont get it... there are 100s of games out there that need that extra single core and multi corepower.. mmo games and survival/crafting games they will NEVER stop needing MORE and MORE power...
2nd gen Ryzen is amazing... but lets not hide behind our fingers here,just because you play PUBG/fortnite doesnt mean there arent games that step on the neck of any single core...
When i saw the title i initially thought it was a re-upload, not another new review.
Steve have you considered using colored text for the CPU names (blue Intel/red AMD)? I feel like it will make the charts much easier to look at seeing how many reviews you guys do.
I know "take a day off" might not be in your vocabulary but try it some time Steve....hope u get well soon man 👍
Shame you didn't see fit to compare this CPU to it's predecessors (9900x & 7900x) in at least a couple of benchmarks for those of us that may have been interested.
Thank you so much, getting ready to upgrade and mostly use photoshop and I knew the core/thread was limited by adobe so was trying to see if the 3950x would benefit me. I also game a lot so it looks like the photoshop/gaming cpu to go with is the 9900ks, which is great no MB upgrade needed.
FPS Variance % would be interesting as well
or perhaps some other metric which correlates with perceived smoothness
Intel: We won an award!
Judges: It's a participation award.
Intel: *smiles proudly*
*Pokes intel with stick* C'mon, do something relevant
They are. Intel XE is due for launch in 2020, which hopefully can liven up the gpu market.
@@Orcawhale1 hopefully not another *glued* debacle atrocity
@@Geomephysicus Who said anything about it having to be a cpu?
@Johnfuse Aslong as they don't name it something close to current lineup from AMD and Intel, as im having a hard enough time explaning the differences between the two lineup, to customers as is.
@Johnfuse Oh i have no problem with it.
It's the customers that don't get it.. And get confused by the Z and X's, and all of the numbers.
Steve: he’s sick and puts out a video, still has great hair.
At 21:21 "It fell over." That sums it up pretty well.
This actually have good value for mixed gaming/pci-lanes workstation. For example I game, and if I could get 128 lane mobo, I'd go for it in an instant. Outside of these edge cases, it's more of a hunting for use case than actual usefulness. Couple years we were laughing at AMD for 'MOAR COR', then we were actually thanking AMD for shaking up Intel, and now we actually are at 'AMD is just plain better in good part of use cases'. What a great time to live when shopping for PC upgrade!
I was also one of the people telling that 3950x was a paper launch and I could not find it anywhere in stock. But I have pre-ordered it on the 2nd day of launch and I have received it 10 days later! So there are supplies at least in central Europe they just run on pre order due to the demand. It is a beast by the way, Stock under nh-d15 chromax 10 min cinebench r20 it does not exceed 55C. Fans are not even on max in 21C ambiant temp. score is around 9180. Crazy beast. Intel has years of work to catch up with that.
not everybody has access to newegg,amazon etc.. there is no 3950x here even today! and im in Europe.
I wish I could take this video back in time and show it to 2014 Steve, just to see his reaction.
Guessing that this was the CPU blurred out on the table in the previous HW News ;)
"Deal with it" bahaha :D
How the mighty have fallen.
Love your videos
i like how "the waifu" is on display in the shelf behind XD
(+ your stadia docukments XD)
Intel inside, kidney outside.
[16-12-2019_22_36.]
what kinda heretic non-ISO8601
datetime format is that abomination
been the same deal even on [19-04-2004_17_48.] tbh
What's that?
What does 22 and 36 mean
@@royvirafayet6687 Its a time-stamp of how late It Is here, Its that simple.
[16-12-2019_00_15.]
It has no chance against the i3 9100f in real world performance anyway.
Intel shouldn't have even bothered topping the pinnacle that was the 9100.
Thanks for the great content
Steve, do you guys have a test between different fans for use in air- or watercooled systems? ie which brand/type is the best for each scenario, maybe a list of some test you guys did? I'm trying to get new fans for a first time water cooling build, but the info out there is contradictory as all heck.
I'm laughing in 3900x at the moment.
@Слава Перун It's pretty comfortable, he has 12 cores after all.
Yeah Intel is still better at gaming performance thanks to higher clockspeeds. I hope AMD chatches up with next gen, then I'll upgrade my r5 1600.
@Conor you should do stand up comedy bro
@Conor lol no
@Conor "horrible" frame rates? I currently play on a 1080p 144Hz G-Sync machine, and will probably soon upgrade to a 1440p 144Hz machine.In most games, I've been able to hold up 144Hz stable after adjusting the settings correctly. DX12 and Vukan-based games are typically more stable, because they tend to better use the high core count. There's actually a video of mine playing Doom 2016 on 1080p Ultra giving out 200fps in game, while streaming the entire thing to youtube in 60fps 1080p. I'm willing to sacrifice 10% or so of gaming performance for the 30 to 40% more productivity performance I get with the 3900x over a 9900k. Comparing the 3900x to the 10900X, you can clearly see that the 10900X only has an advantage over the AMD machine once it's heavily overclocked, at which point we're talking about a ~200W or so CPU against a 105W CPU. Not really a fair comparison now, is it?
10:36 - subtitles say “over Glocks”
Demonetized!
I like that you talk slower when you're sick, keep it up.
No temperature measurements?
It would be helpful to know how the ihs performs compared to other 10-core hcc lga2066 processors like 9820x and 9900x.
I was just thinking about JUST HOW BLATANTLY they had begun to rip us off as AMD arrived back on the scene. So much so we got to witness just what a lumbering Giant Intel has become because it was unable to muster the agility/foresight to stop the bleeding by ceasing to price gouge by cutting out pci-e lanes arbitrarily and offering *Quote* “HEDT” parts with core counts of lesser lineups.
But to witness how this is STILL manifesting itself in rehashed/relaunched sku’s is fascinating and will certainly make for an excellent documentary on Germany’s DW network/RUclips channel one day, and the BBC one day a few years after that.
Nvidia is no better just bending ppl over everyday
Me, a student, just eyeing my R5 3600 on the benchmark graphs and feeling good about it :)
@@deminybs Excommunicado!
Still running an fx 6300 LUL
@@jacobross2895 I still have a 2600k in my system. But prices for the 2700x are really tempting right now.
@@DeadNoob451 I'm definitely thinking about upgrading next year. The bottleneck in games is so real
The TITLE really make me excited.
i'm just wondering if all the amd scores were retested for this vid because they have had a couple of agesa updates recently? but i seriously doubt it because some charts have 3700x scores and some have 3800x. and don't forget Ryzen gets a nice boost from memory and all these tests were with 3200mhz memory so in all reality you can get a lot more out of ryzen 3000 then what is shown in the charts.
Intel: "We have supply issues."
Also Intel:
AMD R9 3900X seems like a performance value sweet spot. Good to see intel getting stomped🍿👀. Adversity builds character ❗️👁✔️👁👌
Another great video, however am I the only one who caught Steve saying 109900x instead of 10900x?
Title alone deserves the LIKE!
Label it as "Waste of silicone"
Don't know why there's a 10-core mesh CPU at all. The motherboards are too expensive for a 10-core platform.
Maybe these are just the defective dies of some of the higher tier chips.
Still a waste of money though.
But 10-core LCC is a separate die design, not a cut from 18-core HCC.
@@Alan_Skywalker Well in that case i also have no clue why they are making it. Even less so given that they cant seem to sell them at a competitive price.
I'm curious if you've measured the difference that setting CPU affinity on a game has on its average frame rate and frame consistency. For games that don't exceed 4-8 threads would keeping the process on the same CCD, or even the same CCX, make a measurable or perceivable difference? I have a 2700X (and a 1700X before that) and back before Windows 10 1903 I noticed that keeping games on the same CCX improved frame time consistency (less stuttering). I've used Process Lasso to automatically manage process affinity for my games since 2017 and I am wondering if I still need to do that post 1903.
looks like Steve was never so careful with words as in this video :D
What the...?
I'm laughing on the inside, it's a dead laugh, from beyond the grave, a hollow and empty laugh, it's all I can muster these days when I see new intel CPU's mentioned.
I can't believe you're talking about hundreds of thousands of MIPS. Meaning we're getting close to a TIPS.
@Divergent Døge Tera integer operations per second.
@@mduckernz (T)rillion (I)nstructions (P)er (S)econd
Feel better man
feels good man, my GPU is the one in the advert 😁
As a person who owns a system with an 8700k with a light overclock and a stock 1080 super (ASUS), I see no reason to buy another processor from either team (for gaming).
And that makes me feel weird. I want improvement in gaming with newer parts. I don't expect my stock 8700K to perform at or in some rare cases above processors like the 3900X or the 10900X.
I don't know what this feel is...........I want a new system with an SLI setup, no matter how many people tell me it doesn't improve performance that much, I still want it, but I might as well sit on what I have.
The 8700K has more or less identical performance to the R5 3600, which is the current go-to CPU for the vast majority of gamers. You just paid twice and much and had it 2 years earlier.
@Massimo De Grazia I agree to an extent, I still think that the time it takes for the technology to move forward shouldn't (or rather isn't) be as drastic. These results include games from previous years, so even in the slightest bit I should see improvement. The improvement here is so negligible you can throw it up to error of margin.
That isn't okay. It most definitely should not be acceptable.
You are between a rock and a hard place. I waited until a Ryzen came along that could match my 4670k at 4.7GHz single core but give me more threads. Perhaps Zen 3 or 4 will do the job for you.. At least we can hope.
For years my 4790K @ 4.8 outperformed newer CPUs when not OCd.
And given only about 10% of people OC, I still outperform most newer Intel CPU users. (In gaming of course)
almost got me thinking this is 10900k
I see it between the TR 1920x and 1950x on blender and other tasks that can use the treads. If you do a lot of blender type stuff, fyi, Now is a great time to buy used.
well iam happy that i bought my new 3700x last week, for work) exellent price and power!
Ryzen can run on a B450 board, Intel requires an overpriced x299 board hmmm? Which would I choose. Being a financial supporter of one of the slimiest companies in the world also is an added pro when choosing Intel.
Intel is getting utterly hammered in the Tech Review press recently! Karma come home to roost!
Irs great how its changed back to Amd being great again like when i had my 3200+ 64bit back in the day
Good old Clawhammer
Steve: You know how this gonna go down
Me- Slowly grabs a bag of kernel the popped variety.
I really can't tell if this is a review or a eulogy.
It’s a reveulogy
Feels like this processor is just a waste of time and energy.
nah it's just a waste.
Hey, a quick question: have you tried left-aligning the CPU names on the benchmarks graph, I know it will leave a gap between the text and the bars, but I think it will help greatly in quick readability. If you know what I mean
Saw this in the recc's, dead ass thought for a moment that I had hallucinated the review from a few days ago before catching the "X" instead of a "K."
Should be called the i9-10900Y.
_Why?_
**Precisely. Why when Ryzen is better**
Go with a 3900x because it costs $520 - 580.. Don't buy a 9900k because it costs $450 - 490. It doesn't matter if both chips are on par with each other, AMD costs less. Here's the proof:
www.newegg.com/core-i9-9th-gen-intel-core-i9-9900k/p/N82E16819117957?Description=9900k&cm_re=9900k-_-19-117-957-_-Product
www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=3900x&cm_re=3900x-_-19-113-103-_-Product
AMD fan boys need to get their eyes checked... Intel is clearly cheaper and slightly faster in gaming, but amd is more expensive by 30 bucks for slightly better video encoding, plus they have to disable SMT for gaming. Do you really want to deal with all that switching around?
that doesn't make any sense lol. you just said 3900x is 520 and 9900k is 490. how is 3900x cheaper?
@@caillousdad5786 he's making fun of AMD fan boys because all they ever do is complain how expensive intel is, yet they release a chip that's borderline slower for more money.
rekt xD
Back in 2014 when I got my first desktop PC, I was all in on Intel thinking they had the best. Now, I've changed to team Red for my upcoming PC build, and I've even convinced my dad who hated AMD processors back in the 2000s that they've really improved
These and x299 mobos are a really good deal right now provided you need lots of pcie lanes. I need 2 nvme drives, 16x GFX, 8x SDI capture and 8x 10gb networking and another 1x PCIe. Can’t get that on non-HEDT chips and x299 parts are much cheaper than threadripper.
the thing is, x299 is still on pcie 3.0
Jesus, that bad , eh?
No, it's a server cpu, of course it's gonna be worse in applications designed for pc cpus.
@@FrostiDrinks not anymore it ain't
@@FrostiDrinks It's marketed as an HEDT CPU though...
@@FrostiDrinks That makes the Xeons MEGA server CPUs then i guess.
I cannot understand why the most important (I my mind), CPU to compare it to, the 7900x is not included?? How does it compare to last gen so to speak? You include 36 CPU's in comparison, non of the with the same core count? I find it odd.
I believe they revamped their test suite last year (IIRC?) so the numbers they have on the 7900X from it's review at release back in 2017 may not be comparable. They certainly didn't test the same games back then. Also, would they bother to keep it? It's a weird, super-niche part that was appallingly bad value, hardly moved any units and is all but flushed out of the supply chain at this point, so it could have been too much effort and/or cost to get hold of one just for this review.
@@stoneymahoney9106 I do understand all of that. But this follow-up is an equally "super-niche"-part. And the only natural upgrade path for people on the old part. So if you choose to review a niche part like this, then I still expect it to be compared to it's predecessor.
Ok, let me say this then: This is not a good part, we understand that. The only LOGICAL consumer of this part would in my world be people already on x299, why I think the generation comparison becomes important. Because for all other consumers this basically won't be a part they consider anyway.
@@ObjectiveCoder No. Not even slightly. Logically speaking, no-one should replace a 7900X with a 10900X. It takes 3 seconds of looking through their spec sheet to realise they are virtually identical in every way that counts, you would be an idiot of epic proportions to consider the 10900X as an upgrade to an existing 7900X system. Unless your 7900X is dead, you might as well just flush a grand down the toilet. Or spend it on replacing your entire platform with a higher performing AMD equivalent - hence all the AMD comparisons in the review and not even a single mention of the 7900X.
Yes. Again I agree. I only believe a proper review of the part should include that conclusion.
I got some wierd animated threadripper ad before this.
Hey GN you have nice reviews for cases, I was wondering if you'd review a certain one. It's called Mantis by CUK, if you could review it or just give your opinion that would be great. Thanks you, whatever you decide.