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So do you think the new 10,9900k is just a 9900k on steroids higher boost clock higher core cojnt same price same 14nm I don't get it should I buy that or the 9900k.or wait for amd high end gaming chips idk I love Intel for oc capability plus amd new chips is the same Mobo and the new Intel has to get new Mobo
Gigabyte has already made the auros extreme waterforce watercooling board z490 it's nice it's over 1k and they said the new board will see a 60 percent mark up from the previous board Intel sucks
look i get that having a 10900x and a 10900k which are very different is confusing, but at this point would you really prefer they go with something other than 10900k? at least it's consistent that way. i would much rather they continue with their usual core product naming scheme than change things at this point. this is what allows me to know, even without checking that the '10900k' is going to be their top consumer CPU, since that's what they've done for a decade and we are well familial with it at this point. why ask them to change, i don't get it.
@@SeekerofTruth1 What? Overclocking AMD CPUs is pointless, even playing with PBO (100-200MHz max). Intel overclocking still leads to a significant performance singlecore bump, although it's more the case for lower core count chips.
@@Amusia727 It already comes overclocked, so you have to invest even more on the cooling solution! What did you say? More power with even more heat to dissipate? Hell yeah! Ambiguous names and unecessary locked all core overclock so there is no efficiency? Hell yeah! GAMING!! Slashing our overinflated prices in half on our EXACT SAME chip that has a different name? Hell yeah! If Intel does not go bankrupt, they won't be surviving for long on their PCIe 3.0 computers.
Well, not as much as they used to, since AMD has mostly taken over the consumer and business space. And Apple is apparently planning to leave Intel as well for their own cpu's.
KaputPictures, Apple is planning to use their custom ARM but it's long-term as it still lacks horsepower even for their entry-level laptops and it will be a second ISA break that they can't really justify now so it's too risky for sales.
Those are just mean questions. Can't you just say how wonderful they are? Damn, I wish you were part of the White House press Corp. The White House hasn't figured out (some) of the audience is smarter than the average caterpillar, why should Intel! Hold on, I was just being sarcastic. Hey! Remember when Kathy Griffin was sarcastic? .
While many older games only take advantage of a single world render thread, they still use multithreading for additional processes... But most new games take advantage of multithread world engines. It would be a really fun video to disable all threads except 1 and then benchmark different games on Intel and amd.
@@bradhaines3142 Sure, that would be amazing for older games (cough Crysis cough) but I don't think they can increase clocks that much just by using less cores.
@@Orcawhale1 ASRock just released a preview on her z490 confirming at least a full slot and a M.2 slot with PCIE 4.0, but no confirmation on number of lanes or if all lanes will be 4.0 read. The intel chart oddly specify "up to 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes"
The AMG AM4 socket is PGA 1367 or something like that, I'm not sure, but as someone said above they probably planned ahead, but also they have more pins to work with already.
@@ruairih109 Getting a new socket for new standards is fine. Having a new one nearly every generation when almost nothing changes is not. Intel has a reputation of doing the latter. LGA 775-> 1156 was fine. Then going through 1156-1155->1150->1151 each 2 years apart is what got people fed up. Now they probably do need a new socket (1151 is 5 years old AM4 only 3) But there is a reason people won't tolerate much from intel. This is one reason the vulnerability and lack of progress are 2 other main reasons
Intel is an American company, y'all. They clearly meant foot gallon pounds. This is what happens when you try to switch to that confusing, commie metric nonsense!
They could have simply reworded to "60% of games benefit from increased single core performance" and that would surely be true for current games. There are games with minute-long loading screens, and you check and see 100% on one core for decompressing stuff/compiling shaders/whatever, 20% of another core to render loading screen animations, and that's it - actually I wish someone would benchmark that (idea for April Fools next year perhaps? :)). Those benefit from single-core performance, even if you don't see it on FPS graphs. There are also games that have one thread in critical path that everything else has to wait for, and those benefit from increased single core performance as well. Really, this was salvageable, they just had to screw this up with this "internal guidance" rubbish.
most newer games utilize more and more threads sure they heavily rely on one fast core .. but allready are rumors that because of "PS5" and "Xbox xersiesxonex super" games will utilize up to 16 threads so at the end 1 fast core means nothing if the other 7 are slow as fuck
AmusiaPrussia at least they're clockspeeds we will actually see! -looks at AMD with it's impossible to hit boost clocks- I mean look how they left nothing in the dark, all core turbo with tvb, without tvb, single core turbo with tvb, without tvb etc etc, they even explained power limits (including the temporary ones). AMD just went "turbo boost 4.6ghz", and you could only find what that actually meant by digging into it, not only that but cpus couldn't even hit that high of a speed anyway :/
Too bad these "skylake based" chips are insanely viable just like most intel products in the desktop space since skylake. Stupid people base their thoughts on unchecked perspectives. Smart people look at the real bottom line. Good luck with your next mental predicament bro...
17:31 "...60% of games are optimized for single core, was meant to be an internal guide only." Then you need to fire who ever is guiding you internally, and practice a lil internal guidance of your own before you hire a replacement.
20:34 Oh God, why are these comparisons so convoluted. Why does it have more disclaimers than a prescription commercial? Why can't they just compare to last gen in currently popular games?
A couple of reasons. 1st, if they did compare to last Gen. there would be near 0 performance gain because they're the same fucking CPUs. The 2nd reason is because apparently AMD is comparing their 3xxx CPUs verses the 7700K as well so at least that one I can understand.
Games being "optimized for single core" generally doesn't mean that they're hindered by having more cores, at least not in any significant way. There's no way this can be construed as a positive once you think about it beyond a surface level.
@kaizer5lock At least until they do it themselves (which I *guarantee* they will, the economics are that stark. You can hold me down and fart in my mouth if they don't within the next 3 gens)
The most horrifying "up to" is for for the base clock. The BASE CLOCK is not even guaranteed anymore, it can't even be called BASE CLOCK if it not the base. You're not even paying for a specific minimum performances anymore.
Shows how retarded the Marketing teams are actually. I bet they don't even know what is a desktop processor. The reason we see Win10 having all Mobile UI bullshit. Shame
@@jyrolys6 the only reason i could think of playing PUBG on Android emulator is avoiding to pay for the pc version. Mobile game benchmark for a desktop part? Shouldn't PUBG PC be a benchmark for a PC part?
So before this, you still HAD respect for Intel? I stopped respecting them after realizing they were scammers and especially after 10th "Gen" Xe series CPUs
they lost respectability long time ago when they tried to break the concurrence agreement on IBM-AT only two years after signing it. After that they've spent all of their last 30 years of history acting like jerks by suing concurrents to crush them or acquire their technology, bribing OEMs, trying to make new patents and "innovations" to close off the PC ecosystem, being lazy on hardware security implementations and milking consumers during 10 years when they regained the lead after the P4 fiasco.
Steve, I know this may not be much, but I appreciate these types of videos. I can tell from the tone and the delivery of this Video that you are not buying any of this BS from Intel, but you inform us about it anyway so that the consumers can make a proper decision on whether to buy or skip. Keep up the Great Work, and remain strong during this tough time.
That new youtube thing where the video can be broken into parts is amazing for shows like yours. I appreciate you guys for taking the extra time to implement it!!!
I wouldn't have a problem with this statement if they actually meant anything by it. If they guaranteed like AMD did that this new socket will be compatible with the next-gen CPU's then I would feel it would be less of a blow. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees with Intel. It seems like every generation, here's a new CPU and you have to buy a new motherboard to use them. It seems damn shady.
So basically the 10th gen could've remained on the Z170 chipset with LGA1151 from 6th gen, just like the 9th, 8th and 7th gen before it... Thx Intel -.-
@@mrmarecki1 Yup. This is the entire reason behind this madness: Not having to admit that their power requirements are getting more and more out of control with each "generation".
AMD has done the exact same thing both in the past and present. There's loads of older Ryzen boards, which can't take the Ryzen 9 chips, for instance. Also there are certain technologies which means you have to make a new chipset, like a new type of ram being the standard. Keep in mind, that motherboard makers also have to sell boards so both Intel and AMD is sometimes forced to make a new chipset. And then there's the biggest argument of them all, most people arn't changing cpu's that often. So while it's great that some of the older boards can take the new chips, it's not always the best solution.
Orcawhale Sure, but the lack of 12-16 core support doesn’t stop you from running a 3700X to replace a 1700, even on the crappiest boards. Yes, if you want PCIe 4.0, you need a new mobo, but if everything seems to work, you can keep your old mobo for 4 years. AM3 was similar, you can actually update the bios on some AM2/2+ and install an AM3 CPU on it if you didn’t need DDR3 or other upgrades at the time.
Orcawhale lmao my 2nd gen Ryzen fits in my new X570 board I bought for TB3 &4th gen since I know it’ll still fit... AMDs used the same socket for nearly 4 years now... Intel on the other hand could have been using the same socket since 6th generation -.- Intel is not for the consumer quit pretending if it wasn’t for AMD the i9 9900k would have 6 cores and i7s would still be rocking as hyper threaded quad cores quit buggin
@@johnbuscher No, but it does stop you from running it with all those features, that the new cpu bring to the table, and overclocking in some cases. So while it's nice in theory, in most cases yo don't wanna do that, especially with a X chip.
@@rob465 Cool, but if your running a 1st gen Ryzen chip, that wouldn't have been possible. And yes, AMD has used it for 4 years, now. But after this, we don't know(AMD stated that AM4 would only be support through 2020). So chances are that the next generation, won't use AM4. And in regards to Intel, they could have kept using the same socket to 8000 series. After that and a new socket would have been needed, due to how much more "thirsty" the chips are.
So they’re giving us 2 more cores for the same outrageous price and still no stock cooler? The only thing they’ve needed to do to remain competitive this whole time was drop prices. How expensive could a 6 year old node be? lol
I want to see that stock cooler, that would be shipped with this CPU. You can put an AiO 240mm cpu cooler on this thing and the cpu will end up at 90°C. Definitely the size of the retail cpu boxes would quadruple to fit an adequate Noctua D15.
Lying to one person is bad enough, but lying to a whole group of people is no joke. If only but they knew. And not to mention the media which lies to a whole nation.
Not really... nobody is gonna throw away a 3 year old chip with a mobo... he is gonna end up selling it.. But is a bummer for the first hand purchaser.
My girlfriend caught me watching ‘one of your nerd videos’ and commented that Steve would be a stone cold stunner if he got a Brazilian Blowout. Apparently it’s some hair treatment and straightening. This needs to happen, Steve
"It's future proofing the chipset" is not a valid argument in my book. WHEN there is a need to update something, update it and make it future proof. There are slight positives that are completely killed by a need for a new chipset.
They simply fucked up - again. IIRC they planned to release PCIe Gen 4 with these chips already but didn't make it in time due to bugs and decided to scrap it. But at this point the new Socket was already set in stone
With youtube allowing the time stamps to be in the video i think you should move towards that instead of the onscreen ones you always had (which were much appreciated)
@@stiven_ph8656 I don't really see a reason to upgrade if you're just using the single-core. Benefit of the 10600K over the 8086K is no delid + liquid metal requirement for maximum performance. Think it clocks about the same, or slightly better. Not worth buying a new platform over.
I very much appreciate that you call out these things directly (related to the Intel "marketing"). many channels would tiptoe around it in language for fear of retaliation, so the straight facts are a welcome difference.
For Intel 8th to 9th gen CPUs, quad core is ~126 mm^2 die area, hexa is ~149.6 mm^2, and octa is ~174 mm^2. At 0.8 mm thickness with a IHS thickness of 2 mm and assuming TIM is 1 mm, this translates to a package thermal resistances of: Quad = ~0.167666 °C/W Hexa = ~0.141733 °C/W Octa = ~0.122218 °C/W Deca ~= 0.107636 °C/W GN's 22 mm x 9 mm die size for deca core match with the 24 mm^2 increase for every 2 cores added to a die. Since the IHS is then thickened, we need to take into account the additional thermal resistance added. Additionally, thermal spreading increases the amount of area available for cooling and reduced power density. Both need to be factored in and increase the cooling surface. The reduction og 0.3 mm of silicon and added 0.3 mm of copper will alter the package thermal resistance to: Quad = ~0.154676 °C/W Hexa = ~0.130874 °C/W Octa = ~0.112941 °C/W Deca ~= 0.099526 °C/W However, at 250 W of power being pumped in and dissipated as heat, this equates to a drop in temps by the following: Quad = ~3.2 °C Hexa = ~2.7 °C Octa = ~2.3 °C Deca ~= 2.0 °C If you delid, with a 250W load, you'll see drops of *up to* the following: Quad = ~35.5 °C Hexa = ~29.6 °C Octa = ~25.6 °C Deca ~= 22.5 °C All of this is theoretical Intel boosted clocks from 8th to 9th as well as thickening the die. I don't expect there to be a meaningful temperature difference between the 9th gen and "10th" gen.
The BBB is not a regulating company, they just provide a logo that the companies pay for. What do you think they can do, shut businesses down or hand out fines? The ratings are based on the amount paid by the companies, nothing more.
Finally, hyperthreading on everything. Nice to see what was once a gimmick for segmentation now be used everywhere. Think of the possibilities, if not for workloads, for the "You get hyperthreading, everyone gets hyperthreading" memes.
I work as a software engineer, and the phrase "Lying is OK if it's called Marketing" resonates with me so much. Marketing accross the tech industry has become rediculous and I just bin all that material and go straight to spec sheet and hope that the spec sheet doesn't lie to me.
Joking aside its actually kinda impressive that an ancient node can compete and beat AMD in single core. It will be hot, loud and destroy our global 3 degrees target.
It's not actually that impressive when you think about it, though; at the time Skylake came out, AMD had been screwing around with Bulldozer and its descendants (all complete dead ends the company probably gained little from other than a roadmap of what not to do) for a very long time. That they actually managed to roughly catch up to Skylake and its various minor refreshes (and actually pass them in IPC for the first time since 2007) in the time since they started working on Zen is about as impressive as it is that a five year old process node can still beat AMD in terms of clock speed.
Just wanted to mention the editing! Topic dot points with a timer bar is utterly brilliant, whomever at Gamers Nexus is responsible for that deserves a raise.
Intel: "the 60% thing was meant for internal guidance only" Dr. Cox: "you've just got to go ahead and replace the captain of your brain ship because he's drunk at the wheel!"
Wow, the most hard-pressing journalism I find across the entire internet in 2020 is coming from Steve at Gamers Nexus and making Intel walk back their claims. Kudos.
The new Intel 6.5 v4 th gen CPUs. 😝Also a "micro-milimeter" would be a nanometer, which is smaller dan the typical variation in thickness of a deposited layer in lithography
When a company has to use literally every trick they could come up with (thinning the silicone, using solder everywhere etc.) to squeeze every last bit of performance from their aging architecture on 14nm instead of redesigning it from scratch, you know something has to change radically.
What are they trying to improve? Temps. Will decreasing transistor size and therefore increasing transistor density lead to a decline in heat production when the processor is doing the same process in the same clockspeeds? If you can't provide a rational answer to this question , you dont really have the right to make that comment; but if you CAN answer it, then enlighten me also by sharing your knowledge with me : )
@@AndyU96 Apparently you have no idea that decreasing the size of the transistor means that you need less voltage to power it, which allows to put more transistors on a certain die without ramping up power consumption and heat production significantly. True, more transistor density means it is harder to dissipate heat but the smaller the individual transistor is, the less power it consumes and less heat generates. If not for this we would have not been able to reach billions of transistors on a single chip and theoretical identical chip on 14nm and 7 nm will consume significantly more power (and thus generate more heat) when it is 14 nm.
Here's the thing, man. I have an i9-9900k. I have it water cooled and OC'ed and honestly - there's nothing out there that's ever really stressed it. Other than tournaments/competitions why would I spend sooooo much on a processor like this?
As a game programmer, I can tell you that games render across one primary core to maintain layering. It's hard to get the cores to time up and layer your images properly if they're across multiple cores, and joining threads constantly can lead to issues. Most multi-core processes in games are more calculations which need multiple threads so the program can continue rendering, while the program does it's calculations for position, collision boxes, shadows, etc in the background; mostly because that stuff can be calculated and the time in which the calculation is done isn't really important.
4:14 I HATE when these marketing con-people write "Up to" in specs. It either reaches said speed or not. They should not be allowed to print "Up to"! We should class-action sue all these dishonest marketing lies until they stop it and realize it's not profitable to con people like this anymore.. It's not only misleading to customers, but outright dishonest and creepy! It's like a job add: "We'll give you Up to 100$ an hour (but we'll keep paying the minimum wage)"
Its nothing dishonest, there is just no space on a table to write down that there are thermal and power and application requirements. Up to is the perfect phrase for that, implies that thats the upper limit, but not what is always achieveable. They dont lie, I never saw an intel chip not reaching its “up to” numbers when paired the right cooler and power supply/mobo.
This is what I wrote almost a year ago now: "Well, assuming INTEL started designing their new CPU(s) just after RYZEN first came out (and yes, it has to be a new design, refreshing and pushing will not cut it anymore), we 're looking at 2,5 to 3 years from today until they hit the market and that's assuming that everything goes according to plan, which is doubtful given the setbacks they have been experiencing with their new fabrication process. Let's say another year, a year and a half for platform maturity and for the software to catch up... That's 2023 at the earliest. Oh, and they also have to be competitive in price, which of-course they will never do, INTEL being INTEL. So, yeah, AMD's window is huge..." Yep.
Paranoid Android AMDs profits are low compared to Intel and will kill AMD in the end. That's why the latest Epyc server chips are 3x the price for half the cores.
@@wysetech2000 AMD was an underdog for ages. They learned to survive on razor-thin margins. After gaining enough marketshare they will increase prices. Margin is not everything by the way. I'm pretty sure that Intel have pretty big overhead costs compared to AMD.
@@Orcawhale1 Raw core clock, if AMD would manage to get 5GHZ on Zen2, Intel would have no chance whatsoever. But alone from power consumption and pricing, AMD beats Intel.
Orcawhale if you think squeezing an extra 10 FPS on an i9 9900k over an R5 3600 @$150 is competing when you’re dominated in legit every other area, youre being mislead sport...
Wow that "60% games focused on single core performance" statement is some serious bullshit, given that all major game engines support multiple cores by default since basically 360/PS3 era.
Ah, but 60 percent of all games ever made came out before the ps3! Therefore, Commander Keen runs better on the 10900k when compared with the 3950x! Checkmate!
Intel: we increased the pins for adding ios on the future Then why they didn’t increase the pins and when they literally going to add this ios or features so the mobos will be compatible ??🤨😒
The USB 4.0 spec is in the works and some servers at torontos IXP have the ports on the boards, standard A port but the C port would likely end up coming in the future. I heard this from my old professor whose main job is system administration. He brought me back a couple stickers because he would regularly fly out. He said they do not function because the spec hasn't been finalized. If that is true it's likely those ports will never be used because they were designed when the spec was calling to use current processors of the time, but like you mentioned Intel is touting using more pins for future protocols and hardware standards, USB 4.0 is likely being designed around that pin layout now. I'm also speculating that a new storage protocol is in the works, as in NVMe 8.0 or 16.0 which would definitely need a larger pin layout and more lanes.
Great intro with Der8auer. After watching what Ryzen has been doing to Intel lately it makes you wonder when their real anti ryzen chips will land. This is a good thing they got caught with their pants down by AMD. Also thank you for your Ryzen 1600af recommendation, built my son his first gaming rig around it and its pretty damn good.
Finally. Intel is being forced to *do something*. Feels like they would have kept giving tiny upgrades to their 4c/8t line for the next several years if AMD hadn't stepped up. Now, even without a die shrink, it's starting to look like my 6700k could use an upgrade that's not a piddly 10% difference. I'll wait though, I want the new changes to mature a bit and may still hold out for a die shrink.
@@Taurus_Play yes and that's why Intel is trying to parody core counts with Ryzen 3000 with this gen and also cutting prices because AMD is outselling intel 2:1. happy to have seen intel stagnating with 4 cores in 2020 since 2011
@@lyelllampero3748 amd outselling intel? in what world are you living in. intel as adding cores because that's what they have to do, nothing to do with 'parodying' anything
Lmao Intel fanboys still think its Intel who is in charge. Even the most blind fanboys turn to AMD when they see a vastly better price/performance and TDP. Also I dont see 10nm happening, whats gonna happen with intel? AMD will go 5nm in 2022, maybe by that time Intel will manage to produce a 10nm chip lmao
I know both AMD and Intel have work to do in the context of marketing but... After the marketing of the large Zalman CPU cooler, this is a breath of fresh air.
Damn this guy is savage. But thank god at least one person in this community tells things like they actually are, especially when the topic is technology that can sometimes go over people's heads. We are lucky to have you.
10 Years of Intel CPUs benchmarked: ruclips.net/video/KPWEdbfJ0oE/видео.html
For more marketing break-downs, watch our Zalman CNPS20X review: ruclips.net/video/h10MU3Jebx0/видео.html
Article for 10-series content: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3576-intel-gen-10-cpu-specs-10900k-delid-oc-support
A cpu die this big isn't gonna have the same issues as huge gpu dies? Sattering issues?
So do you think the new 10,9900k is just a 9900k on steroids higher boost clock higher core cojnt same price same 14nm I don't get it should I buy that or the 9900k.or wait for amd high end gaming chips idk I love Intel for oc capability plus amd new chips is the same Mobo and the new Intel has to get new Mobo
Its not lying , its marketing.
Gigabyte has already made the auros extreme waterforce watercooling board z490 it's nice it's over 1k and they said the new board will see a 60 percent mark up from the previous board Intel sucks
look i get that having a 10900x and a 10900k which are very different is confusing, but at this point would you really prefer they go with something other than 10900k? at least it's consistent that way. i would much rather they continue with their usual core product naming scheme than change things at this point. this is what allows me to know, even without checking that the '10900k' is going to be their top consumer CPU, since that's what they've done for a decade and we are well familial with it at this point. why ask them to change, i don't get it.
It's official: literally _half_ of Intel's Core series products ever released are 14nm Skylake rebrands. Talk about stagnation.
At least it won't fry itself in overclocking.
It's the 4th generation of Skylake though?
@@Amusia727 Competition don't even need overclocking anymore to beat anyone anymore.
@@SeekerofTruth1 What? Overclocking AMD CPUs is pointless, even playing with PBO (100-200MHz max). Intel overclocking still leads to a significant performance singlecore bump, although it's more the case for lower core count chips.
@@Amusia727 It already comes overclocked, so you have to invest even more on the cooling solution! What did you say? More power with even more heat to dissipate? Hell yeah! Ambiguous names and unecessary locked all core overclock so there is no efficiency? Hell yeah! GAMING!! Slashing our overinflated prices in half on our EXACT SAME chip that has a different name? Hell yeah! If Intel does not go bankrupt, they won't be surviving for long on their PCIe 3.0 computers.
"One day, maybe the people doing the marketing will realize that the audience is smarter than the average caterpillar."
They sell too many to care lol
Well, not as much as they used to, since AMD has mostly taken over the consumer and business space. And Apple is apparently planning to leave Intel as well for their own cpu's.
KaputPictures, Apple is planning to use their custom ARM but it's long-term as it still lacks horsepower even for their entry-level laptops and it will be a second ISA break that they can't really justify now so it's too risky for sales.
@@andreiarg what? If i'm not mistaken, intel's Q1 profit is up by 69% compared to last year's
@@andreiarg consumer market? Maybe. Business market? I doubt it.
Those are just mean questions. Can't you just say how wonderful they are? Damn, I wish you were part of the White House press Corp. The White House hasn't figured out (some) of the audience is smarter than the average caterpillar, why should Intel! Hold on, I was just being sarcastic. Hey! Remember when Kathy Griffin was sarcastic? .
The real question is why the i9 isnt a 1c/1t processor. That would cover the majority of games, right?
Liam Fullard 6Ghz 1 core, gg games.
While many older games only take advantage of a single world render thread, they still use multithreading for additional processes...
But most new games take advantage of multithread world engines.
It would be a really fun video to disable all threads except 1 and then benchmark different games on Intel and amd.
Older games sure, but almost all modern games use multiple cores
Pentium 4 Part 2 Electric Boogaloo
@@bradhaines3142 Sure, that would be amazing for older games (cough Crysis cough) but I don't think they can increase clocks that much just by using less cores.
60% of advertisment materials are designed to be internal guidance
explain
@@CaptainAdd49 if you have followed this industry for more then a day then youd know its true
Yeah wym
80% of statistics are made up on the spot
@@M7008 and 100% can't be trusted
Intel says can’t give benchmarks because of “reasons.”
So Steve decapitates the 10th gen parts!
Hostages down
1: Intel releases new CPU Socket.
2: Gamers Nexus: Why the new socket?
3: Intel: It's for the future!!
4: Repeat.
Did you even watch the segment? It was the board partners that said it, not Intel.
Orcawhale Did you? It was Intel who said it. They think it can potentially support incremental feature updates with the extra 49 pins.
@@Orcawhale1 ASRock just released a preview on her z490 confirming at least a full slot and a M.2 slot with PCIE 4.0, but no confirmation on number of lanes or if all lanes will be 4.0 read. The intel chart oddly specify "up to 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes"
@@johnbuscher It actually is going to be for Gen4 on the CPU, motherboard manufacturers confirmed.
The real answer: We're STILL using a 14nm process and even after this we're still only at 10nm, this means our power draw is hilariously high.
AMD was able to retain the same socket with a separate chipset and retain CPU compatibility and support for PCI-E 4.0
More so, enable PCIE 4.0 on previous chipset where it was not advertised previously.
Intel probably more concerned about power delivery when their cpu are super thirsty lol
Well AMD probably actually planned ahead for PCIe4 support, whereas it seems Intel didn't do much future planning...
The AMG AM4 socket is PGA 1367 or something like that, I'm not sure, but as someone said above they probably planned ahead, but also they have more pins to work with already.
@@ruairih109 Getting a new socket for new standards is fine. Having a new one nearly every generation when almost nothing changes is not.
Intel has a reputation of doing the latter.
LGA 775-> 1156 was fine.
Then going through 1156-1155->1150->1151 each 2 years apart is what got people fed up.
Now they probably do need a new socket (1151 is 5 years old AM4 only 3)
But there is a reason people won't tolerate much from intel.
This is one reason the vulnerability and lack of progress are 2 other main reasons
A "micro millimeter" would simply be a nanometer. I agree they meant micrometers.
They might have meant nano kilometers.
@@GamersNexus Or pico-megameters
Intel is an American company, y'all. They clearly meant foot gallon pounds. This is what happens when you try to switch to that confusing, commie metric nonsense!
@@GamersNexus Micro- Megadeths
@@Ashitaka1110 because 'x10' is sooo confusing
They could have simply reworded to "60% of games benefit from increased single core performance" and that would surely be true for current games.
There are games with minute-long loading screens, and you check and see 100% on one core for decompressing stuff/compiling shaders/whatever, 20% of another core to render loading screen animations, and that's it - actually I wish someone would benchmark that (idea for April Fools next year perhaps? :)). Those benefit from single-core performance, even if you don't see it on FPS graphs.
There are also games that have one thread in critical path that everything else has to wait for, and those benefit from increased single core performance as well.
Really, this was salvageable, they just had to screw this up with this "internal guidance" rubbish.
most newer games utilize more and more threads sure they heavily rely on one fast core .. but allready are rumors that because of "PS5" and "Xbox xersiesxonex super" games will utilize up to 16 threads so at the end 1 fast core means nothing if the other 7 are slow as fuck
@@DrSmugface Those are sales in 3 years, not today!
They seem to like advertising cock speed in their site advertisement
AmusiaPrussia at least they're clockspeeds we will actually see! -looks at AMD with it's impossible to hit boost clocks-
I mean look how they left nothing in the dark, all core turbo with tvb, without tvb, single core turbo with tvb, without tvb etc etc, they even explained power limits (including the temporary ones).
AMD just went "turbo boost 4.6ghz", and you could only find what that actually meant by digging into it, not only that but cpus couldn't even hit that high of a speed anyway :/
@@ValkyrieStarTV As in they misspelled "clock speed" as cock speed
".... meant to be an internal guide only."
Suuure.
Intel is in a literal mess
A woman that is into PC hardware ... Where are you from and how many more are there?!?!
@@Noah_1801 Less of them the more of such comments you make.
@@Noah_1801 this guy
@@mduckernz Agreed
Coming here from der8auer lol. Der8auer intro tho
What intro
🔥🔥🔥
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude you gotta check yourself. it's worth it
@@raddysurrname7944 will go there as soon as finish this video.
@@raddysurrname7944 yeah hahah just watched it gotta get more soliders wrf ahhaha
Skylake part 5: Silicon Boogaloo.
lmao
If there's an Ice Lake, there should be a Magma Lake.
@@sulphurous2656 Yes, and it should have insanely high thermals.
@@dylanwagher7213 already done, no worries
Too bad these "skylake based" chips are insanely viable just like most intel products in the desktop space since skylake.
Stupid people base their thoughts on unchecked perspectives. Smart people look at the real bottom line.
Good luck with your next mental predicament bro...
AMD: Our CPU runs graphic as good as a GPU now!
Intel: Our CPU draws as much power as a GPU now!
My oced 9900k already pulls more power than a overclocked GTX 980...
Ryzen apus are super duper cool, like an igpu runs better than a discrete gt 1030/gtx1050 2gb
Ryzen apus are super duper cool, like an igpu runs better than a discrete gt 1030/gtx1050 2gb
@@DrakkarCalethiel the new i9 allready at 300watts stock ... overclocked easily at 400+ now i want to see that aircooled
@@DrSmugface Hope that they get delivered with a chiller and a 12 month free power plan. 🤣🤣🤣
17:31 "...60% of games are optimized for single core, was meant to be an internal guide only."
Then you need to fire who ever is guiding you internally, and practice a lil internal guidance of your own before you hire a replacement.
3:57 "dead on arrival" ...straight savage
20:34
Oh God, why are these comparisons so convoluted. Why does it have more disclaimers than a prescription commercial?
Why can't they just compare to last gen in currently popular games?
A couple of reasons. 1st, if they did compare to last Gen. there would be near 0 performance gain because they're the same fucking CPUs. The 2nd reason is because apparently AMD is comparing their 3xxx CPUs verses the 7700K as well so at least that one I can understand.
Games being "optimized for single core" generally doesn't mean that they're hindered by having more cores, at least not in any significant way. There's no way this can be construed as a positive once you think about it beyond a surface level.
But that's not their target audience, their focus is on people who have no clue so they won't really research it. Just like userbenchmark LULW
@@evildeedz66 lol userbenchmark. That website is about as useful as a fart in a hurricane
@@Interrobang212 I've had people cite it as a source, un-ironically, as proof one part was better than another.
@kaizer5lock At least until they do it themselves (which I *guarantee* they will, the economics are that stark. You can hold me down and fart in my mouth if they don't within the next 3 gens)
@kaizer5lock I can tell you for a fact that Intel had chiplets before AMD did.
"35% faster video editing on 4k videos versus a 3 years old PC".
i9 10/20 vs i7 4/8, and only 35%?
WTF Adobe.
Imagine if Adobe had perfect scaling like tile based renderers. AMD cpus wouldn't even need to take a dump to shit on intel.
@@zarmaanful I'd actually love to see that
there's a lot of "Up to" in the Intel CPU chart... really builds confidence.
...if they were being honest, "Down to" would populate the TDP column.
Get stumped with the UP TO 4.5 promises of AMD eh... Liquid Nitrogen just to run boost...
The most horrifying "up to" is for for the base clock. The BASE CLOCK is not even guaranteed anymore, it can't even be called BASE CLOCK if it not the base. You're not even paying for a specific minimum performances anymore.
@@kramnull8962 my 3700X hits 4,55GHz with a normal air cooler stock settings, what are you talking about?
@@zocker1600 shhhhhh..dont tell him..he is intel paid shill
Builds confidence by screwing with confidence!
20:20 PUBG Mobile!?!?!? WTF 😂
Yeah lol touchscreen controls 😂
Shows how retarded the Marketing teams are actually. I bet they don't even know what is a desktop processor. The reason we see Win10 having all Mobile UI bullshit. Shame
@@lostalx Ever heard of Android emulators? A good chunk of PC's run those for games.
@@jyrolys6 the only reason i could think of playing PUBG on Android emulator is avoiding to pay for the pc version.
Mobile game benchmark for a desktop part? Shouldn't PUBG PC be a benchmark for a PC part?
15:45 there goes my respect for intel...
Surprised you still had any, lol!
So before this, you still HAD respect for Intel? I stopped respecting them after realizing they were scammers and especially after 10th "Gen" Xe series CPUs
they lost respectability long time ago when they tried to break the concurrence agreement on IBM-AT only two years after signing it. After that they've spent all of their last 30 years of history acting like jerks by suing concurrents to crush them or acquire their technology, bribing OEMs, trying to make new patents and "innovations" to close off the PC ecosystem, being lazy on hardware security implementations and milking consumers during 10 years when they regained the lead after the P4 fiasco.
Surprised you still had any (2)
@@PainterVierax How much longer are you going to crucify Intel for something that happened 30 years ago or even 10 years ago?
Steve, I know this may not be much, but I appreciate these types of videos. I can tell from the tone and the delivery of this Video that you are not buying any of this BS from Intel, but you inform us about it anyway so that the consumers can make a proper decision on whether to buy or skip. Keep up the Great Work, and remain strong during this tough time.
That new youtube thing where the video can be broken into parts is amazing for shows like yours. I appreciate you guys for taking the extra time to implement it!!!
Yeah i like it. No need to check comments or description for time stamps now.
"Smarter than the average Caterpillar" was hilarious.
"there might be a new generation that has features, this generation doesn't and therefore you need a new socket with this generation." so dumb.
sounds like your crying since you bought a z390 motherboard
I wouldn't have a problem with this statement if they actually meant anything by it. If they guaranteed like AMD did that this new socket will be compatible with the next-gen CPU's then I would feel it would be less of a blow. Unfortunately, there are no guarantees with Intel. It seems like every generation, here's a new CPU and you have to buy a new motherboard to use them. It seems damn shady.
Dashkatae Y of course z490 mobos wouldn’t be compatible with 11th gen cpus what are those guys? amd? Pffffft lmfaoooo
So basically the 10th gen could've remained on the Z170 chipset with LGA1151 from 6th gen, just like the 9th, 8th and 7th gen before it... Thx Intel -.-
Good luck running 10-core model on a motherboard designed for a quad core 6th gen.
@@mrmarecki1 Yup. This is the entire reason behind this madness: Not having to admit that their power requirements are getting more and more out of control with each "generation".
the power draw is too insane. at this point I'll need two AX1600i lols
@@iezure849 never
@@mrmarecki1 yeah what amd thinking, using same socket for 16 core cpu.
I love the breakdown of talking points. That's not just informative, it's considerate to your viewers.
"Smarter than an average caterpillar" should be on a shirt! :D
Changing your motherboard every 2 generations for intel CPUs is absolutely ridiculous.
Thank god for AMD . AMD FTW.
Great video.
AMD has done the exact same thing both in the past and present.
There's loads of older Ryzen boards, which can't take the Ryzen 9 chips, for instance.
Also there are certain technologies which means you have to make a new chipset, like a new type of ram being the standard.
Keep in mind, that motherboard makers also have to sell boards so both Intel and AMD is sometimes forced to make a new chipset.
And then there's the biggest argument of them all, most people arn't changing cpu's that often.
So while it's great that some of the older boards can take the new chips, it's not always the best solution.
Orcawhale Sure, but the lack of 12-16 core support doesn’t stop you from running a 3700X to replace a 1700, even on the crappiest boards. Yes, if you want PCIe 4.0, you need a new mobo, but if everything seems to work, you can keep your old mobo for 4 years. AM3 was similar, you can actually update the bios on some AM2/2+ and install an AM3 CPU on it if you didn’t need DDR3 or other upgrades at the time.
Orcawhale lmao my 2nd gen Ryzen fits in my new X570 board I bought for TB3 &4th gen since I know it’ll still fit... AMDs used the same socket for nearly 4 years now... Intel on the other hand could have been using the same socket since 6th generation -.- Intel is not for the consumer quit pretending if it wasn’t for AMD the i9 9900k would have 6 cores and i7s would still be rocking as hyper threaded quad cores quit buggin
@@johnbuscher No, but it does stop you from running it with all those features, that the new cpu bring to the table, and overclocking in some cases.
So while it's nice in theory, in most cases yo don't wanna do that, especially with a X chip.
@@rob465 Cool, but if your running a 1st gen Ryzen chip, that wouldn't have been possible.
And yes, AMD has used it for 4 years, now.
But after this, we don't know(AMD stated that AM4 would only be support through 2020).
So chances are that the next generation, won't use AM4.
And in regards to Intel, they could have kept using the same socket to 8000 series. After that and a new socket would have been needed, due to how much more "thirsty" the chips are.
So they’re giving us 2 more cores for the same outrageous price and still no stock cooler? The only thing they’ve needed to do to remain competitive this whole time was drop prices. How expensive could a 6 year old node be? lol
I want to see that stock cooler, that would be shipped with this CPU. You can put an AiO 240mm cpu cooler on this thing and the cpu will end up at 90°C. Definitely the size of the retail cpu boxes would quadruple to fit an adequate Noctua D15.
"That was for internal guidance" ...yeah... sure...
Lying to one person is bad enough, but lying to a whole group of people is no joke. If only but they knew. And not to mention the media which lies to a whole nation.
So basically intel is marketing for AMD again this year... Noice
I wonder how much E-waste Intel causes by using boards that are limited to only 2 CPU gens
If people recycle their e-waste correctly then very little
Not really... nobody is gonna throw away a 3 year old chip with a mobo... he is gonna end up selling it.. But is a bummer for the first hand purchaser.
You do realize that AMD has done the same thing with certain Ryzen boards, right?
And with older sockets, aswell?
You fanboys are getting ridiculous..
@@Orcawhale1 you know not what you are saying.
@@Orcawhale1 k
My girlfriend caught me watching ‘one of your nerd videos’ and commented that Steve would be a stone cold stunner if he got a Brazilian Blowout.
Apparently it’s some hair treatment and straightening.
This needs to happen, Steve
Do it for cat angels....
Confused why you'd want Steve to be more attractive to your girlfriend, but you do you man.
Not the healthiest way to treat your hair, but if you care much about looks it might be a worthwhile tradeoff.
So your GF wants Steve to look like a young John Romero?
@@n3rdy11 :-D
"thermal velocity boost!" sounds like a hotwheels toy series
"It's future proofing the chipset" is not a valid argument in my book. WHEN there is a need to update something, update it and make it future proof. There are slight positives that are completely killed by a need for a new chipset.
They simply fucked up - again. IIRC they planned to release PCIe Gen 4 with these chips already but didn't make it in time due to bugs and decided to scrap it. But at this point the new Socket was already set in stone
Well it still performs way better than my 3+ years old 6700K pc even at 4K and I'm happy with my new i9.
My Hungry Hungry Hippo uses 4 cores.
With youtube allowing the time stamps to be in the video i think you should move towards that instead of the onscreen ones you always had (which were much appreciated)
Wow, 15% of these CPUs almost make sense.
Good work, Intel!
Most interesting one out of them is the i5 10600K since it's essentially an 8086K in overclocking.
8086k user here no plan for upgrade i thought the 10th gen has 6core mininum
@@stiven_ph8656 I don't really see a reason to upgrade if you're just using the single-core. Benefit of the 10600K over the 8086K is no delid + liquid metal requirement for maximum performance. Think it clocks about the same, or slightly better. Not worth buying a new platform over.
Lol how do I get that filter Roman was using. Looked like Zach Galifinakis in the hangover playing poker 😂
Oooooouuuuu, I can’t wait for 2030 when I can get these for $30 on Aliexpress.... :)
jeez XD
GN: What's 3 micro-millimetres?
Der Bauer: IZ OUTSIDE MY TOLERANCE LIMITZ!
A micromillimeter would be 10^-(3+6) m = 10^-9 m.
More commonly known as a nanometer.
I very much appreciate that you call out these things directly (related to the Intel "marketing"). many channels would tiptoe around it in language for fear of retaliation, so the straight facts are a welcome difference.
Really like seeing the timeline on the left. Love the super throughout review but nice to bounce around to most important info. Great videos as always
Before ryzen
i5- 4c/4t
i3- 2c/2t
After ryzen
i5- 6c/12t
i3- 4c/8t
Basically i3 is now the i7!!
Good job AMD!!
So about these slides: 3 (4 with turbo) different boost frequencies, really?
Also what's up with the "up to" base frequency?
I didn't think that Intel had anything to do with Userbenchmark until they used their exact same logic...
For Intel 8th to 9th gen CPUs, quad core is ~126 mm^2 die area, hexa is ~149.6 mm^2, and octa is ~174 mm^2. At 0.8 mm thickness with a IHS thickness of 2 mm and assuming TIM is 1 mm, this translates to a package thermal resistances of:
Quad = ~0.167666 °C/W
Hexa = ~0.141733 °C/W
Octa = ~0.122218 °C/W
Deca ~= 0.107636 °C/W
GN's 22 mm x 9 mm die size for deca core match with the 24 mm^2 increase for every 2 cores added to a die.
Since the IHS is then thickened, we need to take into account the additional thermal resistance added. Additionally, thermal spreading increases the amount of area available for cooling and reduced power density. Both need to be factored in and increase the cooling surface.
The reduction og 0.3 mm of silicon and added 0.3 mm of copper will alter the package thermal resistance to:
Quad = ~0.154676 °C/W
Hexa = ~0.130874 °C/W
Octa = ~0.112941 °C/W
Deca ~= 0.099526 °C/W
However, at 250 W of power being pumped in and dissipated as heat, this equates to a drop in temps by the following:
Quad = ~3.2 °C
Hexa = ~2.7 °C
Octa = ~2.3 °C
Deca ~= 2.0 °C
If you delid, with a 250W load, you'll see drops of *up to* the following:
Quad = ~35.5 °C
Hexa = ~29.6 °C
Octa = ~25.6 °C
Deca ~= 22.5 °C
All of this is theoretical
Intel boosted clocks from 8th to 9th as well as thickening the die. I don't expect there to be a meaningful temperature difference between the 9th gen and "10th" gen.
Intel is so scummy with marketing. They've been caught cheating and lying on multiple occasions. Better business bureau should step in.
If only the BBB was anything beyond a pre-internet review site like Yelp.
BBB is not, and never was, a government entity or anything close to one.
Lmao. Better Business Bureau. You might as well call Captain Planet.
The BBB is not a regulating company, they just provide a logo that the companies pay for. What do you think they can do, shut businesses down or hand out fines? The ratings are based on the amount paid by the companies, nothing more.
You're thinking of the FTC which has sued Intel for anticompetitive practices before.
i have an i7-9700k and purposefully chose it over Cuckzen.
Finally, hyperthreading on everything. Nice to see what was once a gimmick for segmentation now be used everywhere. Think of the possibilities, if not for workloads, for the "You get hyperthreading, everyone gets hyperthreading" memes.
T3CHN01200 wonder what intel was thinking when they dropped hyperthreading on the 9700k
HT should have been on every Intel chip for the last 8 years.
A "micro millimeter" is a micron, 0.001mm - what intel said "micro millimeter" is not a phrase that's used often.
I work as a software engineer, and the phrase "Lying is OK if it's called Marketing" resonates with me so much. Marketing accross the tech industry has become rediculous and I just bin all that material and go straight to spec sheet and hope that the spec sheet doesn't lie to me.
Intel ScamLake-X™
*"Now with even more + inside!"*
Joking aside its actually kinda impressive that an ancient node can compete and beat AMD in single core. It will be hot, loud and destroy our global 3 degrees target.
ngl they had us in the first half
It's not actually that impressive when you think about it, though; at the time Skylake came out, AMD had been screwing around with Bulldozer and its descendants (all complete dead ends the company probably gained little from other than a roadmap of what not to do) for a very long time. That they actually managed to roughly catch up to Skylake and its various minor refreshes (and actually pass them in IPC for the first time since 2007) in the time since they started working on Zen is about as impressive as it is that a five year old process node can still beat AMD in terms of clock speed.
IUseThisName ForMyGoogleAccount
True. AMD is improving from a low base. They should be much further ahead. Same with their GPUs and Nvidia.
Just wanted to mention the editing! Topic dot points with a timer bar is utterly brilliant, whomever at Gamers Nexus is responsible for that deserves a raise.
Intel: "the 60% thing was meant for internal guidance only"
Dr. Cox: "you've just got to go ahead and replace the captain of your brain ship because he's drunk at the wheel!"
Meh, wake me up when Nvidia launches Ampere
See you next February!
@@yxlop4893 You mean September.
@@jbscotchman Only when it ends bro.
We'll set an alarm for August or do you wanna wake up on May 14th for GCN?
@@jbscotchman Well they're going to be announcing it in a month or so, but its going to be shipping next year.
Intel working hard to make AMD look even more attractive.
Once Intel gets their desktop lithography below 14nm we might finally see some progress.
Wow, the most hard-pressing journalism I find across the entire internet in 2020 is coming from Steve at Gamers Nexus and making Intel walk back their claims. Kudos.
The new Intel 6.5 v4 th gen CPUs. 😝Also a "micro-milimeter" would be a nanometer, which is smaller dan the typical variation in thickness of a deposited layer in lithography
Intel: This is 14nm++++
Everyone: Intel, this is the fifth year in a row you showed 14nm
17:09 "Does my die look big in this?"
When a company has to use literally every trick they could come up with (thinning the silicone, using solder everywhere etc.) to squeeze every last bit of performance from their aging architecture on 14nm instead of redesigning it from scratch, you know something has to change radically.
What are they trying to improve? Temps. Will decreasing transistor size and therefore increasing transistor density lead to a decline in heat production when the processor is doing the same process in the same clockspeeds? If you can't provide a rational answer to this question , you dont really have the right to make that comment; but if you CAN answer it, then enlighten me also by sharing your knowledge with me : )
@@AndyU96 Apparently you have no idea that decreasing the size of the transistor means that you need less voltage to power it, which allows to put more transistors on a certain die without ramping up power consumption and heat production significantly. True, more transistor density means it is harder to dissipate heat but the smaller the individual transistor is, the less power it consumes and less heat generates. If not for this we would have not been able to reach billions of transistors on a single chip and theoretical identical chip on 14nm and 7 nm will consume significantly more power (and thus generate more heat) when it is 14 nm.
Those 47 Intel Fanboys be like "Thumbs Down Steve".
Corrupt Paragon Why would they give a thumbs down other than the typical Steve jabs.
wysetech2000 damn you are literally on every comment that mentions that intel is bad, and then you provide an equally shitty argument
@@invellix3179 Don't read it then. I'm just tired of people nit picking at every little detail without knowing the truth.
In theory a micro-millimeter is just a nanometer... but yeah, someone just misspoke
Here's the thing, man.
I have an i9-9900k.
I have it water cooled and OC'ed and honestly - there's nothing out there that's ever really stressed it.
Other than tournaments/competitions why would I spend sooooo much on a processor like this?
As a game programmer, I can tell you that games render across one primary core to maintain layering. It's hard to get the cores to time up and layer your images properly if they're across multiple cores, and joining threads constantly can lead to issues. Most multi-core processes in games are more calculations which need multiple threads so the program can continue rendering, while the program does it's calculations for position, collision boxes, shadows, etc in the background; mostly because that stuff can be calculated and the time in which the calculation is done isn't really important.
4:14 I HATE when these marketing con-people write "Up to" in specs.
It either reaches said speed or not. They should not be allowed to print "Up to"! We should class-action sue all these dishonest marketing lies until they stop it and realize it's not profitable to con people like this anymore.. It's not only misleading to customers, but outright dishonest and creepy!
It's like a job add: "We'll give you Up to 100$ an hour (but we'll keep paying the minimum wage)"
I don't see the problem, Steve has plenty on LN2. Doesn't everyone?
Its nothing dishonest, there is just no space on a table to write down that there are thermal and power and application requirements. Up to is the perfect phrase for that, implies that thats the upper limit, but not what is always achieveable.
They dont lie, I never saw an intel chip not reaching its “up to” numbers when paired the right cooler and power supply/mobo.
@@shrinkingshrimp yup, quite unlike a certain other chip maker *_cough_*_ amd _*_cough_*
Intel could just say the Boost X will go "Up to" 6GHz.. (IF you use Liquid Nitrogen and a power supply over 2000W, in fine print)
@@master_f And AMD should have said that with LN2 you might reach 4.8Ghz, but if you want to hit 4.6 advertised, go ahead and buy a barrel...
This is what I wrote almost a year ago now:
"Well, assuming INTEL started designing their new CPU(s) just after RYZEN first came out (and yes, it has to be a new design, refreshing and pushing will not cut it anymore), we 're looking at 2,5 to 3 years from today until they hit the market and that's assuming that everything goes according to plan, which is doubtful given the setbacks they have been experiencing with their new fabrication process. Let's say another year, a year and a half for platform maturity and for the software to catch up...
That's 2023 at the earliest.
Oh, and they also have to be competitive in price, which of-course they will never do, INTEL being INTEL.
So, yeah, AMD's window is huge..."
Yep.
Paranoid Android
AMDs profits are low compared to Intel and will kill AMD in the end. That's why the latest Epyc server chips are 3x the price for half the cores.
@@wysetech2000 AMD was an underdog for ages. They learned to survive on razor-thin margins. After gaining enough marketshare they will increase prices. Margin is not everything by the way. I'm pretty sure that Intel have pretty big overhead costs compared to AMD.
I believe intel has a manufacturing advantage too.
Wow, the i7 will finally be a fine gaming CPU once again.
What we want is AoRUS Xtreme AMD's:
- Pcie-4.0,
- 7nm Cpu,
- 7nm Gpu,
- Ddr5 Ram.
commenting before watching. let me guess.. 14nm++++++?
later:
AMD: 1 Pico meter
Intel :14nm++++++++++++++++++++++
The question is more: Why is Intel's 14nm able to compete with a 7nm from TSMC?
And why is it still beating them in gaming?
@@Orcawhale1 because 60% of the games are single core ofcourse.
@@Orcawhale1 Raw core clock, if AMD would manage to get 5GHZ on Zen2, Intel would have no chance whatsoever. But alone from power consumption and pricing, AMD beats Intel.
Orcawhale if you think squeezing an extra 10 FPS on an i9 9900k over an R5 3600 @$150 is competing when you’re dominated in legit every other area, youre being mislead sport...
They will hit the max speed when running a loop of no op, same as Ryzen 3000.
it's been 10 years since intel released the i-series of chips... i think it might be time to do a bit of rebranding, and a major architecture upgrade.
AMD : make one Motherboard for multiple CPU
Intel : make multiple Motherboard for One CPU
Thank you Intel, for helping me chose an AMD CPU.
Wow that "60% games focused on single core performance" statement is some serious bullshit, given that all major game engines support multiple cores by default since basically 360/PS3 era.
Ah, but 60 percent of all games ever made came out before the ps3! Therefore, Commander Keen runs better on the 10900k when compared with the 3950x! Checkmate!
The avalanche of Techtuber videos on a new product launch/embargo lift always warms the heart.
A mesh-fronted case on the workbench for the whole video, I sense a new case review coming up soon?
Phanteks ECLIPSE P300A MESH EDITION or P400A MESH
There is no way these chips are going to retail at those prices, add another $50USD or so on top that will be the final price.
You figure that out on your own?
@@willsummers983 You're a very pleasant person aren't you.
@@willsummers983 @Will Summers, Only GN Steave is allowed to be snarky, GTFO we don't want that here!
Intel: we increased the pins for adding ios on the future
Then why they didn’t increase the pins and when they literally going to add this ios or features so the mobos will be compatible ??🤨😒
The USB 4.0 spec is in the works and some servers at torontos IXP have the ports on the boards, standard A port but the C port would likely end up coming in the future. I heard this from my old professor whose main job is system administration. He brought me back a couple stickers because he would regularly fly out. He said they do not function because the spec hasn't been finalized. If that is true it's likely those ports will never be used because they were designed when the spec was calling to use current processors of the time, but like you mentioned Intel is touting using more pins for future protocols and hardware standards, USB 4.0 is likely being designed around that pin layout now.
I'm also speculating that a new storage protocol is in the works, as in NVMe 8.0 or 16.0 which would definitely need a larger pin layout and more lanes.
those extra 49 pins better be getting me some insane performance gains.
Great intro with Der8auer. After watching what Ryzen has been doing to Intel lately it makes you wonder when their real anti ryzen chips will land. This is a good thing they got caught with their pants down by AMD. Also thank you for your Ryzen 1600af recommendation, built my son his first gaming rig around it and its pretty damn good.
Finally. Intel is being forced to *do something*. Feels like they would have kept giving tiny upgrades to their 4c/8t line for the next several years if AMD hadn't stepped up. Now, even without a die shrink, it's starting to look like my 6700k could use an upgrade that's not a piddly 10% difference. I'll wait though, I want the new changes to mature a bit and may still hold out for a die shrink.
yeah i'm in the same position, i don't know how long i'd have to wait for intel to finally get their nodes figured out though..
finaly ? AMDtards upgraded 3 times allready from 1xxx to 3xxx ? those morons still try to cach intel .
@@Taurus_Play yes and that's why Intel is trying to parody core counts with Ryzen 3000 with this gen and also cutting prices because AMD is outselling intel 2:1. happy to have seen intel stagnating with 4 cores in 2020 since 2011
@@lyelllampero3748 amd outselling intel? in what world are you living in. intel as adding cores because that's what they have to do, nothing to do with 'parodying' anything
Lmao Intel fanboys still think its Intel who is in charge. Even the most blind fanboys turn to AMD when they see a vastly better price/performance and TDP. Also I dont see 10nm happening, whats gonna happen with intel? AMD will go 5nm in 2022, maybe by that time Intel will manage to produce a 10nm chip lmao
Nice video, going to pick up that 500DX case for a new audio production rig btw, was just looking for a super-quiet case, so thanks!
Emissivity:
Emissivity is the measure of an object's ability to emit infrared energy. Emitted energy indicates the temperature of the object.
"Up to 2X better *MEGATASKING*"
What the hell is megatasking
Lmao
If you ever figure it out let me know.
nothing interesting with z490 dead end from the start
I know both AMD and Intel have work to do in the context of marketing but... After the marketing of the large Zalman CPU cooler, this is a breath of fresh air.
Damn this guy is savage. But thank god at least one person in this community tells things like they actually are, especially when the topic is technology that can sometimes go over people's heads. We are lucky to have you.
Screw Intel! I just bought a Ryzen 7 3800x and I love this thing! 😂
Pleebs
Well goodie for you!
Pleebs Who cares?
I don't understand why the 3800x exists, you're getting a 100MHz boost for like $70 more than the 3700x
Chärm I don’t know either, it’s just what came in my computer and it’s awesome. wysetech you mad bro? Don’t act all butt hurt.
@@PleebsOG well as long as you're happy with it, I believe it was meant to compete against the 9700k since it's priced quite similarly
pooping feels good
Hell yes it does
The bromance between Steve and Roman only gets stronger.
Amd still has plenty of downsides, but the compatibility is good no matter who you support. They have been using am4 for the past 3 years.