Please make a gaming perfomance test for 4/8 core Ryzens with low demanding games like Overwatch, LoL, Dota, CSGO etc to see if they can achieve target 144hz@1080p without bottle-necking a midrange GPU.
I bought my 3800x for 280$ USD from Microcenter in store 2 months ago. In general microcenter has much better prices on CPUs in the last 3 years than anywhere else I have seen. Might recommend checking them out too and Gamers Nexus maybe see if they have an affiliate link?
It's rather that intel just got too fat and lazy, putting the same product with the same price tag year after year, relying on marketing and branding instead of engineering.
AMD has been pioneering for... Well since they got into the business. Nobody ever bothers to remember things AMD did through the years. AMD was the 1st to give us multi core CPUs, CPUs above the 1ghz speed. 1st to give us chiplets, 1st to give us entry level parts that beat intels top end. AMD was the 1 who forced Intel to bump core counts, not just in desktop, but laptop space as well. It's not JUST that Intel got lazy, AMD is a company that's forcing a drive forward in the industry. And what most people don't yet realize, is AMD is just getting started. Wait a free more years, when AMD is releasing APU parts stronger than any CPU from Intel and rivaling Nvidia top end stacks - all on 1 low power APU
@@bogartwilley remember that AMD is a fabless company. You are comparing apples and oranges there in terms of development. You should include TSMC and Global foundries in your praise to AMD since they are responsible for a good bunch of the performance increases, it's not just the AMD architecture.
Hey @gn. I installed RTX voice on my system with a GTX 1080 (and a separate system with a 980 ti) and had no issues with that robotic glitching while the card is under load like you guys had. I know it's alpha etc but just letting you know.
@@GamersNexus Another interesting tidbit is how RTX Voice locked my RTX 2080 into a weird power state, having stock idle core clocks at 1515MHz and memory clocks 50MHz below any value I'd set it at, which naturally made the card heat up a fair bit when doing general productivity stuff due to the auto fan stop feature. Disabling the actual denoise filter automatically restored clock switching as expected.
Can confirm. Works ok on my 1080. Thankfully the only game i use this on is very light on the GPU so the performance hit is a non issue for my use case. It works wonders filtering out my server like ventilator noise from game chat that has always been pain in the ass.
GN specific leak? I think we are getting better name recognition here :D Still whiny about WD SMR debacle, especially their Red series, but I guess at least they come clean, unlike Toshiba and Seagate, who haven't reveal complete SMR list yet.
My testing in Barracuda shows that they are talking shit with SMR being fine for client desktops. Many games are unstable or have high frametimes. Some will constantly crash to desktop without warning.
I wouldn't even mind if AMD changed the mounting hardware again, as long as that means they include a better way to keep the cpu on the socket. PGA sockets are fine, but one of the current major issues is ripping the cpu when taking off the cooler, and that should be avoided in future generations.
@@RealThore not typically, but it can. There are rare cases of individual pins remaining in the socket when the chip is pulled out when still locked in. Twisting is safe because of the tabs preventing the CPU from rotating it's been my standard practice since the days of AMD Phenom.
Thank you Steve. Thank you. I've seen countless reviewers/experts from the enterprise indusrty blame consumers for the WD SMR raid rebuild failures. Why? I assume they are either getting spec sheets internally from WD, and fail to note consumers *did not* or they are invested in the "hype" or scamming customers themselves. It's tragic!
My 1600AF is arriving today to replace the 1700 that blew up after I OC'd to 3.9Ghz on air cooled and ran for months. 🤷 Can't wait to see how it goes. 👍
Oof R.I.P 1700. Mine is still running fine. Gonna be upgrading to a 3800x (maybe 3700x) in a week or so. I have a gigabyte x470 board. Hopefully it will be more stable with memory and higher clocks. The ipc improvements will just be an extra +.
@@GregReavis Yeah, using the X370-PrimePro. It's my Dad's one so he said he wanted it overclocked...I gave him overclocked until it went boom. 😂 Mind you, I also had his RX480 overclocked to 1475Mhz aswell. 😈 He's now got a 5600XT Pulse to pair with the 1600AF. 🤘
21:30 id almost guarantee it was a student i was in college from 2012 to 2014..... knew about bitcoin..... and had a 6970 with free electricity and i didnt mine...at all.... i might have been able to retire at 20 years old..... i still kick myself.... hard 10 full coins would have paid for college hell, id still probably be spending that money if i didnt buy a new car, ETC
I saw a post that predicted the December 2017 all-time high and subsequent crash. Even entering only few weeks before I could've at least doubled any investment. But since it was just a random post on the internet, I didn't really believe it for obvious reasons.
I tried about 3 years ago to get my hands on unigen sdk and they were VERY firm in that they would not license to an individual. So that change in tone is pretty damn cool to me.
@@CheapBastard1988 really? Can we not allow an ocassional error, as just that? Or are you all starting to believe that Tech Jesus, is actual f'ing Jesus?
@@bradhaines3142 Its at the end of its product cycle, most components seem to slightly peak before they are completely obsolete. Just like the Radeon Vii was on sale for $399 on newegg about 2 months ago but when it was declared end of life cycle and ceased production it peaked once again, you cant find them for any less than $550 currently.
Bought a stragihtpower 11 850W on black friday for a completely new build, after all the parts (x570 master, ryzen 7 etc) around december I put everything together and arcs came out of the BeQuiet PSU, got it changed out on the guarantee (which took two (2!) weeks and the new one shorted to ground internally from plugging it in to the wall. A month later they inform me that they don't have any more in stock and that they can change it for a cheaper PSU (All contact is between a certified BeQuiet reseller and , one of Swedens biggest in IT) and after speaking to management at the store I'm then told than since BeQuiet refuse to replace me with a better product the store would since I've only got to use the item I paid for for a couple of weeks over almost half a year soon and offered an HX1000i from corsair as they're more reliable in his experience and with that I should never hear a noise from it. So, I had hight hopes for BeQuiet but when even the store tells me they're assholes and refuse replacements when they ship faulty products which is breaking the law over here btw so dragging them to court is an option - but that would only result in them getting fined or possibly banned while not getting me a new psu haha (we don't automatically have a right to a lawyer here in Sweden so it could risk costing me everything I own and then some as well..) I'm afraid my opinion of them drastically changed and for the worse and I'd warn anyone buying from them that they are not a trustworthy company and ship faulty/untested products. The open arcs reaching out of the PSU chassi is also a real threat of fire.
I think I should invest in tsmc looking how much their stock value has gone up since 2010 and even 2016. There was some weird pricing changes to amd's stuff over the past couple months and basically it seems the processor has if anything increased in price
Keep in mind that most EUR prices include ~20% taxes. In Spain the 1200AF is retailing 45€ before taxes ($49). It is possible that it retails under $50 in the USA.
It's nice that there's options, but 4 core 4 thread CPU without iGPU will have a pretty small target audience these days. Maybe for a super tight budget gaming rig? If you don't play games then Ryzen 3 1200 AF makes little sense: Ryzen 3 3200G is clocked over 15% higher and costs less than 1200 AF + cheapest GPU. 3200G is clocked slightly higher than 1300X
I'm guessing it's just due to shortages and manufacturing delays. Perfectly fine. I'd prefer that they get more testing time, and the improvement won't drastically change our lives if it is delays for a year.
I wouldn't be surprised if DDR5 is a thing in 2021 but because AMD have a 12 to 18 month release cycle, Ryzen releases are moving later and later in the year, Ryzen 5000 might arrive in 2022.
Recently Blower 2080tis are going for very good prices on used market (Got an evga one from amazon renewed for 400euros). Arctic Accelero III and IV and Morpheus II Cooler are good solution to reuse these cards. Could you please review these coolers? I' ve gone from 88 C to 66 Celsius with the accelero III. No one has covered these solution in depth as you would. I think it could be a good idea! Keep up the good work Steve!
Dang it, I want to upgrade to a threadripper 4000 when they come out, but I don't want to wait for DDR5 to come out. I'll be stuck on an outdated platform once again, rocking DDR3 now
I use a SMR harddisk (Seagate Barracuda Compute), because it's dirt cheap and the only way to get 5TB in 2.5". Yes, write speed is garbage , but I knew that before hand. Also, I use it in a Fuzedrive (aka AMD StoreMI) array, which does a great job compensating for the lackluster performance. I wouldn't rely on it for critical data, but 6TB storage at SSD speeds for €200 is hard to beat, and reliable enough for a Steam library.
you coul do it yourself using acids to recover gold but you will have to collect alot of specific ewaste for it to be worth it, plus theres the safe usage of the acids and safe disposal of them and aquiring ewaste without buying it can be difficult as alot of places dont like scavenging, If you can aquire tonnage of it it might be cheaper to ship it to china to process it, you could get a contract with local waste management in accordance with their own recycling programs to boost their numbers to aquire their ewaste for processing and you will have to report the numbers back to the proper department
I know he tries to donate stuff to local schools and learning programs. A bunch of old computer cases went to a highschool tech class and probably more system components too.
I think they didn't want to publish which drives are SMR because consumers are avoiding them. I did a lot of work on SMR and am an engineering at one of the 2x companies mentioned. It is good technology but is basically completely dependent on how good the firmware is since that's basically the only difference between a CMR and SMR drive. SMR was a way to squeeze more performance out of basically the same hardware at some expense to performance and a big overhaul of firmware and some headaches when it comes to certain things. It is pretty reliable though, and I personally wouldn't avoid SMR
so count with me - AMD now leads, in power consumption, prices, core number computing power, iGPU, better stock cooler and nanometres technology. And as piece of cake, long-term socket support, so more future-proof. Incredible. Intel is shame for last 10 years, their last success, that moved things foward as it should, was Sandy Bridge.
I didn't see WD mentioning anything about SMR in their enterprise lineup (WD Gold) that also includes HGST HE drive series. Would be interesting to see their reply as at least few people use them in their home storage solutions (myself included).
I don't know if anyone else remembers this type of motherboard, but there was motherboards that allowed for 2 different types of ram. You could only use 1 type at a time, but I would like to see this for going from ddr4 to ddr5 so that we don't have to buy ram right away.
I've heard the 3300X may be using a single ccx vs the 3100 using both. I wonder if they could be doing something similar with the 1200AF and 1300AF. They could even do a 1400AF +1500AF 4c/8t zen+ as a go between the 4c/4t zen+ and 4c/8t zen2's. Probably too many parts, but It sure would give budget users a lot of options.
This seems correct I spend £2500 on a new build a month ago and boom new gen ram. Same happend to me with ddr3, had just bought 980ti, 4790k ,2400 mhz ram and ddr 4 was announced. 5-6 years later same mistake again......
It'll take years for DDR5 to really become the mainstream from now. And it's announcement doesn't make your DDR4 any worse. No need to feel bad really. DDR4 will do it's job until you need to upgrade other components.
The other day I was browsing facebook marketplace and saw a Ryzen 3800X for sale. They wanted $300. It was brand new. Solid deal. Figured id go for it and offer $200. They accepted. When I got there they asked me what it was. I assume they stole it. I bought it anyway because it was brand new and sealed. Nice upgrade from a 2600.
Love the BuildZoid approved x570 motherboard segment. It really brings a smile to my face. Though am just a "filthy casual",hope Buildzoid gets more subs,love and appreaciation for what he does and becomes the go to before a mobo or gpu purchase.
Amazing thoroughly informative and enlightening content as always, and I'm really happy to see the response (from Western Digital especially) about undocumented SMR employment. Also nice proofreading, Noctua.
From what I've seen, it's just out of stock, except at resellers. It's those resellers that are marking it up, probably because it has been so popular.
After I saw SMR issue springing off, I bought Toshiba drive without a second thought. After I heard that you're reaching out to them, I said ... shit ... silently in my mind lol.
Yeah was looking too, thought "original" price of 1600AF was $85, can't find a single 1600 for 85 anywhere anymore. Disappointing. Don't care about 4 core refreshes, doesn't cut it.
at 80-85 dollars though, the 1600af is tough to beat. the 3300x will be 50% more expensive and it would be hard to justify unless somehow AMD found the sweet spot between the 1600af and the 3600 that is continuing to go down in price. I can't wait to see what b550 boards cost because having pcie4 is really nice for future-proofing a build and x570 is just not worth it for low-midrange builds
80% increase in gate density, then another 70% increase in gate density a couple years later.... How TF are we supposed to cool these when custom loops already struggle with the heat spikes on larger dies?
It is absolutely amazing that TSMC is so profitable in the fab business considering how unprofitable fabrication had become for literally everyone else in the last 10 years or so.
#AskGN Considering the difficulty and manual labor involved in making USB Type-C cables (as you’ve shown in your factory tour series) what are your thoughts on USB4 being entirely Type-C? Ie do you suspect improvements to mass production will be made quickly or prices for USB4 devices will simply be higher? Etc
whomever got that program to run on the supercomputer is a mad genius....also...dont they have antivirus? :P.....I didnt know SFU had a supercomputer and I live in Vancouver
Man I'll tell you what, those Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 3TB+ HDDs were total trash. I've had more Barracuda's fail in my experience that I've sworn off Seagate completely, never will they get my business. Interesting to maybe understand why. * These are my personal opinions formed from personal experiences.
How many? Ive had 1 which was a DOA, which was then replaced(Replacement is still working). Then i got another 1 for storage, and ive ordered 2 more for friends, which are all still working. Oldest one is from 2014, and rest is 2017. So maybe you've just been unlucky?
From my limited experience, Seagate HDDs are the worst. WD is not much better (one 1TB black failed within warranty, was replaced, and then failed again still within warranty; also many blues failed within or soon after their warranty period). HDDs quality gone down hard few years ago -- I guess as a result of the manufacturers trying to remain price-competitive against SSDs. It's hard to justify HDD these days, unless you get a good warranty service and use NAS/RAID where they can be replaced easily with no danger of data loss.
Slightly better binning. . . My 3800x will do R15 @ 1.3v 4.55ghz. It'll do 4.7ghz @ 1.42v with water temps around 3c cooled by winter air. My launch day 3700x never went faster than 4.35ghz in R15.
Sweetness that’s fast! That’s ridiculously fast, haha! That‘a a massive improvement (over the also lower IPC first gen) when I was getting only 3.8 GHz on my Ryzen 1700 (my TR-1950x on the same cooler, a 120mm AIO, got 4.2 GHz roughly, I typically run it at 4.15 GHz but I have ran it at 4.3 GHz during the winter when my room was below freezing and I wasn’t running 4x handbrake batch file encodes and just basic gaming, but that thing is nice golden sample). I don’t think I’ve passed 4.7 GHz on a Ryzen (granted, all of mine are 1st gen, but even on phase cooling with like 1.6v at -50c I think my max has been like 4.6 GHz maybe...) so to see that on ambient at low voltage is REALLY impressive. Nice!
How I would defend SMR even in desktop oriented HDDs: "Everyone is moving to SSDs as their main storage devices so we feel it is necessary to move to SMR to stay ahead on maximum capacity per dollar for all but mainline storage where real time latency is not an issue." I do not believe I would hide the fact. It's just something it seems HDD mfgrs are doing probably for reasons I can't argue with.
Intel betrayed customers, and particulary overclockers with that strawberry paste, that they've put under k-series CPU heat spreader. It's so shame, they have to do delid themselfs and risk damaging CPU. Now they have to pay
The 1600 af is such a good cpu But cant understand what is the point of making 1600 af when all the retailers sell it at the same price as 2600 , so now amd has 2 cpus with similar performance and the same price, but with different name.... Now they are bringing out 1200 af as well as an r3 3100 and the already in the market 2200g and 3200g . Well thats a really crowded segment, it will be very confusing to choose a sub 100$ amd cpu!!😅
The sound is kinda off at places in this vid. Not sure if it's Steve's intonation and word stress or something to do with sound mastering. It is way too loud at places while followed by dips in sound prominence. Not a smooth listening experience.
Can we talk about how these R3 chips at roughly 100$ will possibly offer the same core count and similar to higher performance as a 7700k, a former flagship?
Slightly disappointed that Zen4 wont have PCIe5.0. Im aware that PCIe4.0 just came out a yr ago (and we were stuck to PCIe3.0 for a decade), but we living in a time where progress is increasing rapidly to the point that PCIe6.0 has already been validated. So a cpu that is coming in 2yrs time to not have PCIe5.0 is disappointing specially for those who could really benefit from the extra bandwidth like servers and professionals
Watch our newest factory tour! Shows how nickel plating and electroplating work: ruclips.net/video/NQU5lK29br8/видео.html
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Any news about SiPearl?
@LowJack187 it was the upcoming "1 PC, 65536 Gamers" video.
Please make a gaming perfomance test for 4/8 core Ryzens with low demanding games like Overwatch, LoL, Dota, CSGO etc to see if they can achieve target 144hz@1080p without bottle-necking a midrange GPU.
I bought my 3800x for 280$ USD from Microcenter in store 2 months ago. In general microcenter has much better prices on CPUs in the last 3 years than anywhere else I have seen. Might recommend checking them out too and Gamers Nexus maybe see if they have an affiliate link?
Gamers Nexus why does the ddr5 look so old in the thumbnail.
Some people might not be aware of this, but in Germany prices for the end customer are displayed with our 19% VAT included.
In Germany we call it MEHRWERTSTEUER
Only 19%?
@@TristanSchaaf Yeah damn we're 23%
@@icedoutshef please, we have 25% in Croatia. Hungary is the worst, they have like 28
@@riba2233 21% here in the Netherlands
Huge respect to AMD for evolving computer technology !!!
It's rather that intel just got too fat and lazy, putting the same product with the same price tag year after year, relying on marketing and branding instead of engineering.
@@Struktualnyj so exactly what he said then LOL
AMD has been pioneering for... Well since they got into the business. Nobody ever bothers to remember things AMD did through the years. AMD was the 1st to give us multi core CPUs, CPUs above the 1ghz speed. 1st to give us chiplets, 1st to give us entry level parts that beat intels top end. AMD was the 1 who forced Intel to bump core counts, not just in desktop, but laptop space as well.
It's not JUST that Intel got lazy, AMD is a company that's forcing a drive forward in the industry. And what most people don't yet realize, is AMD is just getting started. Wait a free more years, when AMD is releasing APU parts stronger than any CPU from Intel and rivaling Nvidia top end stacks - all on 1 low power APU
@@bogartwilley remember that AMD is a fabless company. You are comparing apples and oranges there in terms of development.
You should include TSMC and Global foundries in your praise to AMD since they are responsible for a good bunch of the performance increases, it's not just the AMD architecture.
@@usoppbarbosa981 Thank you for being honest
I love using Gamers Nexus as ASMR for sleep, better than Melatonin
Have to disagree - a bit too interesting for me! Now Buildzoid's PCB analysis rambles on the other hand . . . . :)
I like religious documentaries, they always bore me to sleep 😆
They need to make EPYC AF
🤣🤣
Hahahaha oh damn, yeah.
EPYC AF 9001
(it's over 9000!)
Threadripper AF also.
3950X AF would be doooooope.
Omd hahaha
There was no Epyc Zen+ so not much chance of that.
Hey @gn.
I installed RTX voice on my system with a GTX 1080 (and a separate system with a 980 ti) and had no issues with that robotic glitching while the card is under load like you guys had. I know it's alpha etc but just letting you know.
Thanks! The alpha status makes it hard to really troubleshoot and having community info is helpful to forming a fuller picture!
@@GamersNexus Another interesting tidbit is how RTX Voice locked my RTX 2080 into a weird power state, having stock idle core clocks at 1515MHz and memory clocks 50MHz below any value I'd set it at, which naturally made the card heat up a fair bit when doing general productivity stuff due to the auto fan stop feature. Disabling the actual denoise filter automatically restored clock switching as expected.
Reuben Horner same, works well on my 1660, great for flexing on professors
tribaljet that is quite interesting
Can confirm. Works ok on my 1080. Thankfully the only game i use this on is very light on the GPU so the performance hit is a non issue for my use case. It works wonders filtering out my server like ventilator noise from game chat that has always been pain in the ass.
GN specific leak? I think we are getting better name recognition here :D
Still whiny about WD SMR debacle, especially their Red series, but I guess at least they come clean, unlike Toshiba and Seagate, who haven't reveal complete SMR list yet.
My testing in Barracuda shows that they are talking shit with SMR being fine for client desktops. Many games are unstable or have high frametimes. Some will constantly crash to desktop without warning.
@@jrsmithunited i've been runing a 2tb barracuda for 8 months now and never had any problems with games or apps crashing
I was always wondering how Seagate was able to suddenly get 2tb of storage for 1tb prices
16:50 the "Builzoid" approved MB
I hope it releases soon. I've got a build waiting on a motherboard and I haven't picked one out because I want this one.
He should start labeling products with stickers GN could do that as well on their end. That would be nice to see
I wouldn't even mind if AMD changed the mounting hardware again, as long as that means they include a better way to keep the cpu on the socket. PGA sockets are fine, but one of the current major issues is ripping the cpu when taking off the cooler, and that should be avoided in future generations.
That would be a great move. Until then I'll just keep my practice of twisting the cooler to break it loose from the compound before pulling up.
Could it damage the cpu if I pull the cooler off while having the socket closed? Built my first Ryzen system a few weeks ago
@@RealThore Nope, should be fine, just don't be a gorilla around the chip and you'll be grand!
Don't pull the cooler, twist it off.
@@RealThore not typically, but it can. There are rare cases of individual pins remaining in the socket when the chip is pulled out when still locked in. Twisting is safe because of the tabs preventing the CPU from rotating it's been my standard practice since the days of AMD Phenom.
Thank you Steve. Thank you. I've seen countless reviewers/experts from the enterprise indusrty blame consumers for the WD SMR raid rebuild failures. Why? I assume they are either getting spec sheets internally from WD, and fail to note consumers *did not* or they are invested in the "hype" or scamming customers themselves. It's tragic!
love the way you put every topic on the side with the time.
In 20 years we’re gonna have the 3950af
Better delay my upgrade then :')
3950xaf*
20 years? 3 years give or take
My 1600AF is arriving today to replace the 1700 that blew up after I OC'd to 3.9Ghz on air cooled and ran for months. 🤷 Can't wait to see how it goes. 👍
i've had the 1600af for about 4 weeks OC to 3.8Ghz with a corsair h60 cooler no issues
@@TooNawfy I'm using the Wraith Spire from the 1700 on the 1600AF, should be more than enough. 👍
Oof R.I.P 1700. Mine is still running fine. Gonna be upgrading to a 3800x (maybe 3700x) in a week or so. I have a gigabyte x470 board. Hopefully it will be more stable with memory and higher clocks. The ipc improvements will just be an extra +.
@@GregReavis Yeah, using the X370-PrimePro. It's my Dad's one so he said he wanted it overclocked...I gave him overclocked until it went boom. 😂 Mind you, I also had his RX480 overclocked to 1475Mhz aswell. 😈
He's now got a 5600XT Pulse to pair with the 1600AF. 🤘
Lol dont OC too much on stock hsf especially with higher vcore.
Steve, its the 2nd video that you keep saying Ryzen 3100X.... i thing its the Ryzen 3300X and the Ryzen 3100.
Thanks.
it is amazing how useful the on-screen table of contents with progress bar animation is. love it!
21:30 id almost guarantee it was a student
i was in college from 2012 to 2014..... knew about bitcoin..... and had a 6970 with free electricity
and i didnt mine...at all....
i might have been able to retire at 20 years old.....
i still kick myself.... hard
10 full coins would have paid for college
hell, id still probably be spending that money if i didnt buy a new car, ETC
kain hall I wish I mined. But the fastet computer I had was a Pentium m laptop.
I saw a post that predicted the December 2017 all-time high and subsequent crash.
Even entering only few weeks before I could've at least doubled any investment.
But since it was just a random post on the internet, I didn't really believe it for obvious reasons.
You definitely aren’t the only one with these thoughts 😄
@@Top_Cheeze what do you do for a living?
i did some mining back in the day in 09-10 had a similar amount but lost them due to hardware failure.
I tried about 3 years ago to get my hands on unigen sdk and they were VERY firm in that they would not license to an individual. So that change in tone is pretty damn cool to me.
The most valuable thing on that table might just be the bottle of alcohol these days.
Wow, the new RUclips timestamp labels are awesome! Only just noticed it.
Steve, you show an official AMD site that says 3300X, but you still called it a 3100X. Just wanted to make sure you saw this inconsistency :D
Good to see the VerbalTypo police are on the case.
@@RobinHood-yk8og You should ask Noctua about LGA1200 "mountig" solutions
@@RobinHood-yk8og It does makes you wonder if he just reads a script or actually notices what he's saying.
@@CheapBastard1988 really? Can we not allow an ocassional error, as just that?
Or are you all starting to believe that Tech Jesus, is actual f'ing Jesus?
I've been watching your videos for near two years. Still haven't convinced me to upgrade my Powercolor Radeon 6970 and i3-3220 - Skylake. Good job GN
Thanks for continuing to make great news coverage on things and especially for the timestamps on topics!
The ryzen 3 1200af is available on newegg but for $80 when I think it's supposed to be cheaper especially when the 1600af was $85.
@@bradhaines3142 Its at the end of its product cycle, most components seem to slightly peak before they are completely obsolete. Just like the Radeon Vii was on sale for $399 on newegg about 2 months ago but when it was declared end of life cycle and ceased production it peaked once again, you cant find them for any less than $550 currently.
I love me some tech news from Tech Jesus 🙏💻
First time ever I saw component before GN, pity I did not realize it and report on it. 1200 AF can be had for 58USD in Czech Republic.
Bought a stragihtpower 11 850W on black friday for a completely new build, after all the parts (x570 master, ryzen 7 etc) around december I put everything together and arcs came out of the BeQuiet PSU, got it changed out on the guarantee (which took two (2!) weeks and the new one shorted to ground internally from plugging it in to the wall. A month later they inform me that they don't have any more in stock and that they can change it for a cheaper PSU (All contact is between a certified BeQuiet reseller and , one of Swedens biggest in IT) and after speaking to management at the store I'm then told than since BeQuiet refuse to replace me with a better product the store would since I've only got to use the item I paid for for a couple of weeks over almost half a year soon and offered an HX1000i from corsair as they're more reliable in his experience and with that I should never hear a noise from it.
So, I had hight hopes for BeQuiet but when even the store tells me they're assholes and refuse replacements when they ship faulty products which is breaking the law over here btw so dragging them to court is an option - but that would only result in them getting fined or possibly banned while not getting me a new psu haha (we don't automatically have a right to a lawyer here in Sweden so it could risk costing me everything I own and then some as well..)
I'm afraid my opinion of them drastically changed and for the worse and I'd warn anyone buying from them that they are not a trustworthy company and ship faulty/untested products.
The open arcs reaching out of the PSU chassi is also a real threat of fire.
Cedar was obviously just trying to play some Cooking Mama
I like the chapters in the video, I didn't know you could do that in youtube.
It's a new feature!
Ohhh, just got a 1600AF for brothers PC and need another cpu for a HTPC for kids. Good timing!
I did the same. 1600AF replacing the 1700 I blew up on my Dad's PC. But getting the X570 Tomahawk with a 3600 for myself. 👍
Have you found any for $85 within the last 3 days? Prices seem to have jumped and I can't find them reasonably anymore. Would really appreciate it.
I think I should invest in tsmc looking how much their stock value has gone up since 2010 and even 2016. There was some weird pricing changes to amd's stuff over the past couple months and basically it seems the processor has if anything increased in price
9:55 if TSMC was named “Apple, Inc.” We’d be seeing headline after headline saying “Apple is doomed, _Only_ grows 90% YOY”
The theory goes that Apple speculator price in the expectation of more than 90% (for example) YOY before the earning call even got out.
Cos Taiwan number one :)
"C Shart" - _LTT_
Dope you talked about the Cryptomining Malware!!!
Y'all should set up a securedrop server for tips. It's probably be a bit overkill, but it'd be a fun project
Keep in mind that most EUR prices include ~20% taxes. In Spain the 1200AF is retailing 45€ before taxes ($49). It is possible that it retails under $50 in the USA.
Doesnt work that way. There's little correlation in prices before taxes and a lot of stuff from China has tariffs when entering the US
It's nice that there's options, but 4 core 4 thread CPU without iGPU will have a pretty small target audience these days. Maybe for a super tight budget gaming rig? If you don't play games then Ryzen 3 1200 AF makes little sense: Ryzen 3 3200G is clocked over 15% higher and costs less than 1200 AF + cheapest GPU. 3200G is clocked slightly higher than 1300X
I was feeling 2021 for DDR5 but 2022 seems good too.
I'm guessing it's just due to shortages and manufacturing delays. Perfectly fine. I'd prefer that they get more testing time, and the improvement won't drastically change our lives if it is delays for a year.
I'm still on ddr2. Salty af upgrading from my previous Salty ae
I wouldn't be surprised if DDR5 is a thing in 2021 but because AMD have a 12 to 18 month release cycle, Ryzen releases are moving later and later in the year, Ryzen 5000 might arrive in 2022.
Recently Blower 2080tis are going for very good prices on used market (Got an evga one from amazon renewed for 400euros). Arctic Accelero III and IV and Morpheus II Cooler are good solution to reuse these cards. Could you please review these coolers? I' ve gone from 88 C to 66 Celsius with the accelero III. No one has covered these solution in depth as you would. I think it could be a good idea! Keep up the good work Steve!
I recently upgraded to a 3800x from i5-7600k and it was well worth it imo. Picked it up from MicroCenter for $300.
Dang it, I want to upgrade to a threadripper 4000 when they come out, but I don't want to wait for DDR5 to come out. I'll be stuck on an outdated platform once again, rocking DDR3 now
same here man i guess I'll just have to wait for ddr5 and hope that my 4790k will be enough for at least two more years
I use a SMR harddisk (Seagate Barracuda Compute), because it's dirt cheap and the only way to get 5TB in 2.5". Yes, write speed is garbage , but I knew that before hand. Also, I use it in a Fuzedrive (aka AMD StoreMI) array, which does a great job compensating for the lackluster performance. I wouldn't rely on it for critical data, but 6TB storage at SSD speeds for €200 is hard to beat, and reliable enough for a Steam library.
NIce effect with the chart timeline of the news items . . . .
hey Steve, I'm looking to get into e-waste recycling. What do you guys do with yours?
I think they eat them as emergency rations.
I would say they just get more storage shelves when existing are full already
you coul do it yourself using acids to recover gold but you will have to collect alot of specific ewaste for it to be worth it, plus theres the safe usage of the acids and safe disposal of them and aquiring ewaste without buying it can be difficult as alot of places dont like scavenging, If you can aquire tonnage of it it might be cheaper to ship it to china to process it, you could get a contract with local waste management in accordance with their own recycling programs to boost their numbers to aquire their ewaste for processing and you will have to report the numbers back to the proper department
He puts it on the shelves behind him.
I know he tries to donate stuff to local schools and learning programs. A bunch of old computer cases went to a highschool tech class and probably more system components too.
I hope you know your late night uploads are nice as it means I can get some hardware news shortly before bed.
i hope AM5 will have a better retention mechanism for the cpu possibly an lga cpu, or something that keeps the cpu in place
I think they didn't want to publish which drives are SMR because consumers are avoiding them. I did a lot of work on SMR and am an engineering at one of the 2x companies mentioned. It is good technology but is basically completely dependent on how good the firmware is since that's basically the only difference between a CMR and SMR drive.
SMR was a way to squeeze more performance out of basically the same hardware at some expense to performance and a big overhaul of firmware and some headaches when it comes to certain things. It is pretty reliable though, and I personally wouldn't avoid SMR
so count with me - AMD now leads, in power consumption, prices, core number computing power, iGPU, better stock cooler and nanometres technology. And as piece of cake, long-term socket support, so more future-proof. Incredible. Intel is shame for last 10 years, their last success, that moved things foward as it should, was Sandy Bridge.
Love the timeline for news!
I didn't see WD mentioning anything about SMR in their enterprise lineup (WD Gold) that also includes HGST HE drive series. Would be interesting to see their reply as at least few people use them in their home storage solutions (myself included).
I can't tell you how much I like the new you tube seek bar!
I don't know if anyone else remembers this type of motherboard, but there was motherboards that allowed for 2 different types of ram. You could only use 1 type at a time, but I would like to see this for going from ddr4 to ddr5 so that we don't have to buy ram right away.
Yes I remember the transition from ddr2 to ddr3 phenom ii processors supported both
The old AMD + sockets? I'm on AM3+
I've heard the 3300X may be using a single ccx vs the 3100 using both. I wonder if they could be doing something similar with the 1200AF and 1300AF. They could even do a 1400AF +1500AF 4c/8t zen+ as a go between the 4c/4t zen+ and 4c/8t zen2's. Probably too many parts, but It sure would give budget users a lot of options.
MicroCenter was selling 3800x's for $300 at the beggining of the quarantining. They have the best CPU prices if you live near one.
thank you for this great news Steve it was informative once again
dude the new timeline is baller what a time to be alive!
Huewai GPU? thumbs up on the info. always like!
Thank you for the news report.
This seems correct I spend £2500 on a new build a month ago and boom new gen ram. Same happend to me with ddr3, had just bought 980ti, 4790k ,2400 mhz ram and ddr 4 was announced. 5-6 years later same mistake again......
It'll take years for DDR5 to really become the mainstream from now. And it's announcement doesn't make your DDR4 any worse. No need to feel bad really. DDR4 will do it's job until you need to upgrade other components.
The other day I was browsing facebook marketplace and saw a Ryzen 3800X for sale. They wanted $300. It was brand new. Solid deal. Figured id go for it and offer $200. They accepted. When I got there they asked me what it was. I assume they stole it. I bought it anyway because it was brand new and sealed. Nice upgrade from a 2600.
Love the BuildZoid approved x570 motherboard segment. It really brings a smile to my face. Though am just a "filthy casual",hope Buildzoid gets more subs,love and appreaciation for what he does and becomes the go to before a mobo or gpu purchase.
Amazing thoroughly informative and enlightening content as always, and I'm really happy to see the response (from Western Digital especially) about undocumented SMR employment.
Also nice proofreading, Noctua.
Ryzen 5 1600 af is still priced spiked, in fact has gone up in price since last night.
AMD can make more profit if they capitalize on it
From what I've seen, it's just out of stock, except at resellers. It's those resellers that are marking it up, probably because it has been so popular.
bought on amazon less than a wk ago for $85
seller n retail make profit....
I build pc and ive bought over 50 1600 and 27 ryzen 1600af they sell like hot cakes hahahah
Micro center 299 or 269 bundle 3800x when bought with mb. Now even more relevant ha
That cooler compatibility is very convenient
0:37 ASMR concerns? I need no ASMR! I watch your videos and your voice lulls me to sleep.
After I saw SMR issue springing off, I bought Toshiba drive without a second thought. After I heard that you're reaching out to them, I said ... shit ... silently in my mind lol.
looks like the price went up for the 1600af, don't see it for $85 anymore on amazon.
Yeah was looking too, thought "original" price of 1600AF was $85, can't find a single 1600 for 85 anywhere anymore. Disappointing. Don't care about 4 core refreshes, doesn't cut it.
Seems all the coverage of the 1600af caused a price rise for it. That's my guess though.
SpudCommando reminds me of the prices on things like the gt 1030. Which have been 20+ from what they should be price to performance.
Actually, the Exos 5E8 8TB uses SMR - but is clearly labelled as such.
at 80-85 dollars though, the 1600af is tough to beat. the 3300x will be 50% more expensive and it would be hard to justify unless somehow AMD found the sweet spot between the 1600af and the 3600 that is continuing to go down in price. I can't wait to see what b550 boards cost because having pcie4 is really nice for future-proofing a build and x570 is just not worth it for low-midrange builds
Here in Belgium the 1200AF popped up last week in stores for 55 euro's
80% increase in gate density, then another 70% increase in gate density a couple years later....
How TF are we supposed to cool these when custom loops already struggle with the heat spikes on larger dies?
Geno Merci liquid nitrogen cooler that you can refill lel
It is absolutely amazing that TSMC is so profitable in the fab business considering how unprofitable fabrication had become for literally everyone else in the last 10 years or so.
Guessing TSMC has something to do with that second part.
#AskGN
Considering the difficulty and manual labor involved in making USB Type-C cables (as you’ve shown in your factory tour series) what are your thoughts on USB4 being entirely Type-C?
Ie do you suspect improvements to mass production will be made quickly or prices for USB4 devices will simply be higher? Etc
Great video buy you kept pronouncing the 3300x as 3100x
What would really be nice to have in the news this week would be Nvidia, telling us when their next generation of graphics cards are coming out
Superb ddr5
So... you could say that TSMC's N7 has a massive effect on the industry
LOL
Why doesn't anyone mention microcenter deals? In their web store the 3800X is $299 and 3900X is $399
Well, now I have something to wait for
whomever got that program to run on the supercomputer is a mad genius....also...dont they have antivirus? :P.....I didnt know SFU had a supercomputer and I live in Vancouver
Man I'll tell you what, those Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 3TB+ HDDs were total trash. I've had more Barracuda's fail in my experience that I've sworn off Seagate completely, never will they get my business. Interesting to maybe understand why.
* These are my personal opinions formed from personal experiences.
How many?
Ive had 1 which was a DOA, which was then replaced(Replacement is still working).
Then i got another 1 for storage, and ive ordered 2 more for friends, which are all still working.
Oldest one is from 2014, and rest is 2017.
So maybe you've just been unlucky?
I just got a used 1TB one...
From my limited experience, Seagate HDDs are the worst. WD is not much better (one 1TB black failed within warranty, was replaced, and then failed again still within warranty; also many blues failed within or soon after their warranty period). HDDs quality gone down hard few years ago -- I guess as a result of the manufacturers trying to remain price-competitive against SSDs. It's hard to justify HDD these days, unless you get a good warranty service and use NAS/RAID where they can be replaced easily with no danger of data loss.
I haven't had a hdd fail on me. YET. I have 2 WD Blue 7200rpm 3.5 drives. +-5years. And 1 HGST 2.5 drive. 3 years.
Toshiba drives then?
Why did you guys call the Ryzen 3 3300X the Ryzen 3 3100x?
Hinting...?
I thought he just misspoke the first time. Then 3300x went across like 5 times and he kept calling it 3100x.
Because he can stfu
Slightly better binning. . . My 3800x will do R15 @ 1.3v 4.55ghz. It'll do 4.7ghz @ 1.42v with water temps around 3c cooled by winter air. My launch day 3700x never went faster than 4.35ghz in R15.
Sweetness that’s fast! That’s ridiculously fast, haha! That‘a a massive improvement (over the also lower IPC first gen) when I was getting only 3.8 GHz on my Ryzen 1700 (my TR-1950x on the same cooler, a 120mm AIO, got 4.2 GHz roughly, I typically run it at 4.15 GHz but I have ran it at 4.3 GHz during the winter when my room was below freezing and I wasn’t running 4x handbrake batch file encodes and just basic gaming, but that thing is nice golden sample).
I don’t think I’ve passed 4.7 GHz on a Ryzen (granted, all of mine are 1st gen, but even on phase cooling with like 1.6v at -50c I think my max has been like 4.6 GHz maybe...) so to see that on ambient at low voltage is REALLY impressive. Nice!
"The human malware." You are killing me hahaha!
GN effect... Newegg shows 3800x now on backorder....
2022 for DDR5? I can live with that. Now I’ll only have to spend $1000 instead of $1300-$1500 if I upgrade again before then.
How I would defend SMR even in desktop oriented HDDs: "Everyone is moving to SSDs as their main storage devices so we feel it is necessary to move to SMR to stay ahead on maximum capacity per dollar for all but mainline storage where real time latency is not an issue." I do not believe I would hide the fact. It's just something it seems HDD mfgrs are doing probably for reasons I can't argue with.
Non SMR HDDs probably would not maintain their cost per cap advantage much longer anyway.
Intel: *plans to launch 4c/8t i7-10770K with strawberry jam as a thermal interface.
AMD: *releases ryzen
Intel: f&@k
Intel betrayed customers, and particulary overclockers with that strawberry paste, that they've put under k-series CPU heat spreader. It's so shame, they have to do delid themselfs and risk damaging CPU. Now they have to pay
Intel's cooler compatibility has barely changed since lga 775. And even that one was a small change that only needed an update to mounting kits.
I'd like to see the hashrate of that Cedar Supercomputer
The 1600 af is such a good cpu
But cant understand what is the point of making 1600 af when all the retailers sell it at the same price as 2600 , so now amd has 2 cpus with similar performance and the same price, but with different name.... Now they are bringing out 1200 af as well as an r3 3100 and the already in the market 2200g and 3200g . Well thats a really crowded segment, it will be very confusing to choose a sub 100$ amd cpu!!😅
I suspect that tho AMD F versions are from some time around...
Would explain my second r3 1200 which still holding 4.1ghz at 1.4v and 3533mhz ram.
1200 AF launched on April 1st
The sound is kinda off at places in this vid. Not sure if it's Steve's intonation and word stress or something to do with sound mastering. It is way too loud at places while followed by dips in sound prominence. Not a smooth listening experience.
Tha is GN, I don't know how'd I stay informed with out ya. That supercomputer mining crypto story is so bad ass haha
Can we talk about how these R3 chips at roughly 100$ will possibly offer the same core count and similar to higher performance as a 7700k, a former flagship?
It's about to get so good. Great time to be alive.
Kinda ironic statement, given the whole virus thing, though.
@@Orcawhale1 nah, those have always happened. Meanwhile, pc tech is looking dope.
Slightly disappointed that Zen4 wont have PCIe5.0. Im aware that PCIe4.0 just came out a yr ago (and we were stuck to PCIe3.0 for a decade), but we living in a time where progress is increasing rapidly to the point that PCIe6.0 has already been validated. So a cpu that is coming in 2yrs time to not have PCIe5.0 is disappointing specially for those who could really benefit from the extra bandwidth like servers and professionals
WD did not mention "White" label drives like those found in WD Easystore and WD Elements. NAS enthusiast shuck those for discount NAS drives.
Unless something has changed, whites, other than the 3.3v pin (disable pin), are pretty much identical to reds.
interesting
Do we already know when the "be quiet! pure base 500DX" Review will come out?
There had better be usb 4 for Ryzen 4000 series!