The back half of the video contains a history on Chinese operating systems, like NeoKylin Linux, Ubuntu Kylin, Galaxy Kylin, and more. Watch our ZhaoXin ZX-C+ 4701 CPU review here: ruclips.net/video/-DanhnASClQ/видео.html Watch our Air vs. Liquid cooler benchmark: ruclips.net/video/7VzXHUTqE7E/видео.html TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Initial Overview of China's CPUs 04:29 - THTF System Specs & Pricing, ft. Lenovo 08:00 - Simple System Benchmarks 12:00 - Government Motive for This PC 13:42 - Inside the System, PCIe Routing, & Chipset 16:45 - S3 GPUs & C640 19:27 - Thermal & Power Tests, BIOS 21:30 - Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse 23:00 - History of China's Operating Systems (Windows Clones, Linux, FreeBSD, & Unix) 32:50 - Conclusions
Mad respect to Steve (and the GN team!) for daring to cover sensitive topics like silicon politics! Even more mad respect for doing it with both style and elegance.
@@KCS_ Yes, perhaps but as someone who speaks Czech, Russian, German, English and some French, Japanese and a very little Chinese, i would also be capable of saying this like Steve does but he has a good flow, much better then most TV news people or politicians.
@@GamersNexus No problem, glad to comment, and thankful for the "Thanks", i think Linus is jealous of your ability to speak long statements without stuttering, "ums" or other pauses (i'm referencing the "roast of Linus Sebastian...") when they said your voice can put people to sleep, that's just Envy on their part), you do a great job of conveying large amounts of data in a clear consistent tone, Job well done. If you ever need help with testing, i have 30+ years of I.T. experience including 7 years of building systems for a mid level system builder, Can't wait for the next video.
its almost like steve addressed this. "they want to move towards no western hardware but aren't there yet" You likely aren't going to have any backdoors when it is a fully implemented ban.
@@happygimp0 I wonder whether it's possible to modify the UEFI like BIOS mods were made for machines back in the days when overclocking was still possible using the FSB
I am going to play world of war craft with my cousin Gwen when I get my red -cyber power gaming computer and I am going to play world of war craft with my cousin Gwen 24/7!!!!))
When you mentioned the PC had a FSB of 1333 MHz I wondered if that terminology was still appropriate but then I wondered if the memory controller was still in the chipset. Then you mentioned it was. I'm impressed that you were able to switch back to a context from so long ago.
When the Verge deals with anything computer - nothing good can happen. They've proved it before and it's sad to see them continuing to shoot themselves in the foot.
as a Chinese I really appreciat how hard you try to pronounce these names, and you are doing a good job of it too. as for why Im watching this on YT? I cant even find anybody in china doing a review of it.
There are discussion on it all over these years as geeks always have high hopes on our own CPUs. So far the CPU is functional for office work which is already a good step forward. SSD, memory and panels are all catching up recently
The sad thing is, this thing probably beats out the computer I played on before I got a job and built my current one. I didn't spend $1,000 on it when I bought it like 10 years ago, though. I'll never forget playing Skyrim and Fallout 3 at 640x480 with textures as close to disabled as they could get at 5 FPS.
I began gaming on a netbook. A Samsung nc10 I believe it was. I’ll also never forget playing oblivion at like 10 fps, and trying desperately to do whatever I could to raise performance.
@@KPTKleist a non-american would say "yes" because some of them is anti-American and some of them is anti-China but really they will use either spyware as long as it get good price or specs.
@@xponen americans love to forget they've been caught red handed intercepting e-mails from chiefs of historical allies. My country's (which Is a historical ally) president comunication was compromised and the lack of a big stink about it really annoys me.
Considering that many governments in the world are still pretty much using Windows XP or earlier, (I had to apply for my company name on a Windows 2003 machine here in high tech Singapore). Civil servants are also not likely to worry about processing time of their work. And the computer is going to be paid with taxpayer's money. I think these CPUs are fit for purpose.
@If you laugh you sub! Not true. All the computers in my office building still use xp. About 30 of them. Our other locations I assume still use xp too. I also know our local library still uses xp.
@If you laugh you sub! Hospitals, factories, control centers, all windows XP. Because it is lightweight and more stable*. *much more stable when doing one thing
Governments, just like the medical care, are usually fine with overpricing anyway. It's simply good business. To treat yourself. Buyer: "A €10000 power-drill?" Distributor: "Yes, but it's in a lovely sanitary white and chrome design!" Buyer: "We'll take 10!"
@@Shotblur That isn't how the communists operate. They don't have a price, the factory is just told "make this" and provided the raw materials and labor.
Steve admitted to using a 220 volt outlet just to use a hair dryer at home. Granted nothing is too good for that level of hair so I don't blame the guy.
This system is evidently not meant for the consumer market and especially not for export. It seems to be a thin client pc for government offices and municipalities, public libraries law enforcement financial institutions etc to replace the intel and amd thin clients currently in use. For that purpose it is completely adequate.
Yep, also military desk job, Chinese government is very paranoid after Snowden incident, not to mention all the intel me security issue exposed over the year. Most of these gov machine now are still on intel, running with hard switch dual system
@@hjy2187418 No need to be paranoid. Check USA laws on american brands and manufacturer. The law make them implement backdoors and communicate any information they hold on a non-american company without justification. Even NSA produce their own processors and hardware as far as I know.
Serious question: If Huawei already works with the Chinese government anyway, why don't they make the processors/computers for government work with their own chips which are much, MUCH, better than the x86 crap ZhaoXin has churned out? Sure, it's ARM, but there are plenty of Linux distros that support ARM processors, including my personal favorite, Deepin OS, which is also made by a Chinese developer team. Some Huawei laptops even ship with Deepin OS, although they ship with the x86 installation, not an ARM processor and ARM distro. Wouldn't it make sense for China to pour all their tech funding into one company that has already proven adept at basically everything they need, rather than basically making a government backed kickstarter?
This is actually the real answer btw. Every government company is required to use these PC to prevent any form of "entertainment" You can get from a PC.
Got to give them; They have the right idea with the NeoKylin / Ubuntu Kylin etc. Make it as windows like user interface as possible at first to minimize learning. Once people get accustomized with it and the backend, they can start slowly changing it. This is what is missing on the linux world, i know i could get tons of people to move to Linux if there was very precisely similar UI to windows available so people don't have to re-learn basic usage at first, just package management / how to install apps would be initially odd and weird. These days for gamers it would be super simple too with steam + proton :)
I LOVED that OS part in the video. I am so sick of Windows 10 but I have never ever used Linux in my 30 year PC career so a Linux based system that looks and feels like windows 7 is THE DREAM. I am actually desperately googling how to get an iso of that NeoKylin. No luck though :(
@@catriona_drummond Kubuntu is somewhat close, does not quite look but the main things work as expected and share parts of the UI logic. Linux power is in the shell tho. but do give kubuntu a try :) Personally i use Ubuntu with Xfce (Essentially Xubuntu but less known flavor) myself right now, but about to change to Kubuntu
@@catriona_drummond There are plenty of ways to make Linux look like Windows already though. For example for KDE Plasma there are Windows 10 skins. Personally my first experience with Linux was in school, we were using openSuse, which I later installed on my old laptop to revilatize it and... it was a nightmare. Recently though I got interested in Manjaro, installed it and I've been using it for about a year now exclusively, I was AMAZED how much easier it is to use than Windows is (not saying that Manjaro is the only one that's simple to use, plenty of Linux distros are). Want to install something? Just type in what you are looking for in package manager and everything is downloaded and installed for you, no need to search through websites! Oh, and searching for stuff actually works, so that's nice. Basically unless you absolutely require certain programs that straight up don't work on Linux (like PhotoShop), Linux can offer a smoother experience than Windows
These os are focused on gov office & military deck job etc, your average town hall staff who is familiar with windows xp for their whole life is not gonna be bother to learn windows. Thus they design these way. Kirin os was originally designed to be push to general public, but of course it failed
@@Starcrafter23 did manjaro not shit the bed on you at some point? My install lasted 8 months before xorg.conf got so fucked I had to manually startx from a TTY every time I rebooted or changed user, and a month after that it would softlock on sleep or hibernate. Manjaro had absolutely the smoothest integration of KDE I've ever seen, but it's also by far the least stable distro I've tried. That's including Arch, SUSE Tumbleweed, and Debian Sid; all three of which are true rolling releases unlike manjaro. I also really don't recommend the AUR, some of those packages are put together by complete lobotomites.
When you will try to buy Russian PC? Elbrus 801-PC that can emulate x86-64 and have own linux. It cost a lot, but pricing is never lister, because its for order only. Im curious because im Russian.
This is so weird watching... I work at a Lenovo Authorized Reseller/Repair Center lolol I do purchasing and see all of this but Lenovo Branded. Can't wait to show the boys at work!
This is super interesting. I hope you can get your hands on one of these more recent ZX-E based machines, just to see what kind of progress they've made since. Given that the end goal is to replace foreign products with their own home grown chips in data centers, there is no doubt that they'll keep working hard on this.
I wopould really like a security expert to review the computer+native OS to check for backdoors and """telemetry""" on this system. This would be valuable, but this is a gaming channel.
I am worried about China and their government. Am I alone here? This might not be the forum but is free speech hindering western way of life when dealing with a communist country? Anyway back on topic, to me this product shows how China is working toward being self reliant.... that is the smart way to go.... Let's smarten up too
Luke G what really worries me is that our advancements in computing is what has also kept us way ahead in development in other areas, like stealth technology, nuclear power, jet propulsion, etc. The reason they don’t mess with us is because they know our military is basically capable of glassing their entire country, take that away, and they become a very serious threat.
Somewhat true, but it is very similar with the USA. Both have backdoors. I do not know about China but i know that the USA will suppress people that tried to make war crimes of the USA public. If you are worried about China and their government, then you should also be worried the US-Government and about AMD, Intel or Microsoft.
Wait what?! A Linux based operating system that looks and feels like Windows 7?! That sounds FANTASTIC!!!! It sounds exactly like my next OS! Now how do I get my hands on an ISO?
Linux OS that look and feel like windows have existed for a very long time. Don't go hunting for a way to install this Chinese government spyware, just use a debian/Ubuntu variant. Any Linux distro can look like windows
@@catriona_drummond you can easily customize Kubuntu so that it looks and behaves exactly the way you want it (I made my KDE look like MacOS just for fun :)). There are plenty of tutorials on how to do that, and that even doesn't involve command line :)
I wonder if the chinese variants of Linux that get shipped with their systems will attempt to block contact with either the outside world or try to break the functionality of tools like Tor on the OS level.
"From the beginning, all of the versions of Kylin have been intentionally skinned to look like Microsoft Windows, such that it would help aid workers in transitioning from Windows into the locally-made operating system, because it minimizes the amount you would have to learn." MS: Windows just got better! We've relocated all your Control Panel options so you get to search for the functionality that you used to know where to find. For example, rather than right-clicking an icon in your systray, simply type "How do I change my DNS server settings _this_ year?" into the Start menu and you will be presented with a short sequence of incantations. "Under Appearance Options, there's also a Classic Mode which brings back the previously publicized XP skin from the older NeoKylin releases." MS: ...? One-click access to whatever user interface you're most comfortable with? Consistency between releases? _What is this mysterious technology?_
(NOTE: POST HAS BEEN EDITED WITH CORRECTION.) ~1000 USD Sounds like China's stuck in the 90s where PCs cost around or even *north* of that. Yeesh. And by that, I am leaning towards whoever decided to make this by scratch... if that is even *really* true. Because that CPU looks like an Athlon XP or Sempron.
Actually pretty cool to see a reviewer of any kind to take time and learn to pronounce the language. (In Steve’s case he actually learned Chinese Mandarin)
Wait, you mean to tell me a well known bastion of computer knowledge like The Verge somehow got it wrong in their article? I just can't bring myself to believe it with how amazing their How to Build a Computer video was.
The funny thing is Kylin isn't even the first Chinese Red Hat derivative designed to ape the appearance of Windows, the entire Kylin series was predated by another CCP-backed Linux OS called, in a rather appropriate irony, Red Flag. Red Flag started development in 1999 by the Chinese Academy of Science and had a couple moments of prominence in the Chinese computing scene, in 2000 many CCP government agencies were told to replace Windows 2000 installations with Red Flag, and in 2008 internet cafes in Nanchang were being ordered to swap to it from Windows XP. Its development kind of fell by the wayside in the latter half of the 2010s, with many people reporting its discontinuation around 2014, although the specifics are a bit less than clear due to the usual pitfalls of finding information on CCP government projects.
@_nomatter : Thanks for pointing that out - the page source has the time stamps with descriptions - hovering over player bar segments reveals those descriptions - a new feature (to me to see too ... dee doo ;)
@Maverick Invade Taiwan , you have the American Army defending the island since the end of World War 2 after the Japanese were defeated ! Nobody phucks with Taiwan or Japan, as long as the American Army is there !
It wouls be interesting to analyze that OS to see if it's equipped with surveillance tools. I'd be surprised if it didn't. "Activating" it may enable these tools, since "activating" the OS would likely identify the user.
Can anyone tell me why everybody wants all their pc hardware to blink like a discoball? it's kind of ridiculous. I want a power status indicator LED, maybe an I/O indicator LED. I don't want to be distracted by changing colors all the time. Backlit keyboards are nice. Heck you can't find any good hardware any more without it being stuffed with this garbage. RGB fans, RGB RAM, rgb mice, keyboards, speakers, coolers. why?!
I've been talking to Mr. Soong from this little "hardware" shop in that back alley in Shenzhen, and he told me that his Chinese government sources told him that the 8-core/16-threads, 3.6 GHz ZhaoXin "San 1" (or Shan or Shen or Xin, depending on the dialect) should be available sometime in 2025. Intel and AMD better be afraid. :)
VIA.....S3......is this 1999-2000??? What? remember when S3 made a graphics deccelerator instead of an accelerator. I remember the trolling even before it was a thing as we know it today
As far as the 220-240 Volt problem: You can get a simple transformer, which used to be common before adaptive power supplies. The simplest systems just are two sets of copper windings in a 1:2 ratio. There might be smarter systems.
Your Chinese is actually quite ok! I am surprised but upon reflection I guess that's how you got through all those China Mainland / Taiwan factory tours...
Wait, wasn't Kylin earlier branch based off of FreeBSD not openbsd? I remember it in the late 2000s and was a BSD desktop user at the time and made quite the buzz
Yep. I deal with a lot of machines that have been refurbished after being used for over a decade in offices and schools and...I've gotta say, the ThinkCentres M71s, Compaq Elite 8000s, and OptiPlex 780ies can get a surprising amount of work done even despite being....what, like ten generations out of date at this point?
@@ShroudedWolf51 I keep a optiplex 360 tower around, reliable and built fairly good. I think there is 2 different quad cores itll upgrade to also but ehhh.
@@ShroudedWolf51 You can get a lot of work done with even a 350MHz PowerPC G3 (or, I dunno, a 550MHz K6-2), at least for the kinds of workflows most offices and schools have PCs for. My current laptop is the final 15" PowerBook G4.
You don't know the kind of struggle systems people play FFXIV on, like my Ivy Bridge laptop which runs it below 720p with everything turned off for a silky smooth....... 22fps
Price aside, it strikes me as a reasonable work station for the average mid level employee's work desk. Running spread sheets, data bases off a server and word processing should be about seamless. It shouldn't have too much trouble with internet browsing and watching low resolution videos. Gamers aside and price aside and having a low power consumption I think it should work pretty well in a non competitive environment. And keep in mind, elsewhere in the world, power is a way bigger deal. There are places where a 500 watt PC simply isn't doable. As to the price issue, I assume that private people currently need to compete with the government in China. Competition keeps prices up and so do government contracts. I don't see any issues that would keep the price high whenever the appropriate time comes. Most interesting, is China's move to Linux. With China's massive user base it's likely that they are going to put some real effort into the Linux OS and we may see Linux spread world wide out of China in popularity. For now... this thing is a weed in the garden of AMD, Intel and Windows' hegemony but weeds spread fast...
@@chemicalbuz yeh the Chinese government already has its citizens by the balls... I'm sure they don't need hardware "flaws" when they just watchem 24/7
@@kestrel8838 Except the spy hardware on my computer is used to market things to me (which I still don't like) while the Chinese spy hardware is used to find out if you say anything critical of the government so they can disappear you.
@Gamers Nexus I don't know if you know this. Many companies (like Apple for OSX and Sony for their PS3/PS4 operating system) prefer BSD because the license is more 'generous', their license allows to use the code, change something and close it down. So companies who want a free foundation but want to close it down can do that. The GPL-licenses do not allow that. I can only speculate about it but that might explain why the Chinese at first chose to use OpenBSD. The switch to Linux can be easily explained: Linux is much better for regular desktop-usage. It has more software which these users need and it can handle Windows-only software (and gaming) much better. However, developers love to use BSD-systems (just for themselves, where they write code on). Just so you know, there is a good chance that you could have improved the performance of those games and that benchmark with a few small tweaks, specifically by using the latest Proton, using proper settings and installing the aco-compilers from Valve.
Bought a motherboard for 400 RMB (~60 USD) last year (Feb. 2020) to be used as NAS, in my unit the motherboard is made by Lenovo with special USB3.0 and front audio connector which require additional adaptors It's crazy how these to-Business machines are priced....
As Chinese myself, I can tell you no one uses this distro, because those who uses Linux wants freedom and state backed project isn't the best choice for that.
I'm reminded of Linux Mint and its sister project, Linux Mint Debian Edition, or LMDE. Linux Mint, the official, mainstream version, is based on Ubuntu, while LMDE delivers the same user interface and overall experience, but based directly on Debian Linux. For comparison, if I heard you right, it seems there are a couple of Kylin distributions based on Red Hat Linux, and then there is Ubuntu Kylin, which is based on Ubuntu.
The back half of the video contains a history on Chinese operating systems, like NeoKylin Linux, Ubuntu Kylin, Galaxy Kylin, and more.
Watch our ZhaoXin ZX-C+ 4701 CPU review here: ruclips.net/video/-DanhnASClQ/видео.html
Watch our Air vs. Liquid cooler benchmark: ruclips.net/video/7VzXHUTqE7E/видео.html
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Initial Overview of China's CPUs
04:29 - THTF System Specs & Pricing, ft. Lenovo
08:00 - Simple System Benchmarks
12:00 - Government Motive for This PC
13:42 - Inside the System, PCIe Routing, & Chipset
16:45 - S3 GPUs & C640
19:27 - Thermal & Power Tests, BIOS
21:30 - Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse
23:00 - History of China's Operating Systems (Windows Clones, Linux, FreeBSD, & Unix)
32:50 - Conclusions
Gamers Nexus can you test the HiSilicon server cpus which are not-arm and not-x86 ?
$1000 and you can't even play gta5? sign me up please!
I see RUclips now lets you break up the video into different parts/topics. A cool feature, but still not as good ad the GN timebars
If it was $50 or £30 it might be worth it (ssd and the monitor probably costs more then the system it self)
What's with the set of rims next to you. They look good but kind of weird to see on tech channel.
My wife walked in and said “oh, you are watching Computer Dave Grohl again.”
Tell your wife. TECHJESUS
Computer Jesus..!
lol
She's a keeper, knows who Dave Grohl is ;)
Really? I don't think he looks anything like Dave Grohl, other than the fact they both have long hair.
Mad respect to Steve (and the GN team!) for daring to cover sensitive topics like silicon politics! Even more mad respect for doing it with both style and elegance.
Unfortunately he didn't coverthe reasons for these existing: US and Israeli hardware, firmware, and microcode backdoors.
@@VndNvwYvvSvv Said as if China doesn't do things like that.
Yay Steve, you rock at pronouncing those crazy Chinese part names
Actually a bit sub par but it's above average for foreigners
@@KCS_ Yes, perhaps but as someone who speaks Czech, Russian, German, English and some French, Japanese and a very little Chinese, i would also be capable of saying this like Steve does but he has a good flow, much better then most TV news people or politicians.
@@milohajek Thanks! I've been studying Chinese for about a year. I still need to work on my tones.
@@GamersNexus No problem, glad to comment, and thankful for the "Thanks", i think Linus is jealous of your ability to speak long statements without stuttering, "ums" or other pauses (i'm referencing the "roast of Linus Sebastian...") when they said your voice can put people to sleep, that's just Envy on their part), you do a great job of conveying large amounts of data in a clear consistent tone, Job well done. If you ever need help with testing, i have 30+ years of I.T. experience including 7 years of building systems for a mid level system builder, Can't wait for the next video.
Djau Shun
"No foreign components"
American Megatrends, Inc Bios.
Helloooo backdoor.
its almost like steve addressed this. "they want to move towards no western hardware but aren't there yet"
You likely aren't going to have any backdoors when it is a fully implemented ban.
@@kevinpedersen5290 none except the CCP backdoor ofcourse
@@quintuple_lained CCP spies on its own while the CIA spies on the whole world, l dont blame china for wanting to get away from western tech
@@bjorn1583 do you truly believe that they stop at their own people?
@@quintuple_lained EVERY western gov spies on everyone already so who cares if another joins the party
should oc it with Ln2 and see how far you could go :P
Wish we could!
@@GamersNexus i bet the "airflow" is amazing :)
@@GamersNexus you will need the ln2 to unlock the other 999,999,999,996 cores.
@@GamersNexus Can you replace some crystals/XTALs with higher clocked versions? Would that work?
@@happygimp0 I wonder whether it's possible to modify the UEFI like BIOS mods were made for machines back in the days when overclocking was still possible using the FSB
wow, as a Chinese, I have to admit your pronunciation is way above average.
Wwwaaaaa? Only thing I understood was wa and bu 😁
His hair assists with translating.
@@Diamond_Hanz even if those are the only things you could understand it's still above average because most people would be completely unintelligible!
I am going to play world of war craft with my cousin Gwen when I get my red -cyber power gaming computer and I am going to play world of war craft with my cousin Gwen 24/7!!!!))
When you mentioned the PC had a FSB of 1333 MHz I wondered if that terminology was still appropriate but then I wondered if the memory controller was still in the chipset. Then you mentioned it was. I'm impressed that you were able to switch back to a context from so long ago.
Something has confused The Verge? Will wonders never cease!
When the Verge deals with anything computer - nothing good can happen. They've proved it before and it's sad to see them continuing to shoot themselves in the foot.
@@AnthonyP2A Not too sad. Verge is a rag.
Also I love how the Barrowch just utterly dominates the set. What an absolute unit.
Have to admit I prefer the Kitten thats hidden behind it......
as a Chinese I really appreciat how hard you try to pronounce these names, and you are doing a good job of it too. as for why Im watching this on YT? I cant even find anybody in china doing a review of it.
没想老外会对山寨VIA的处理器感兴趣😋😋😋
There are discussion on it all over these years as geeks always have high hopes on our own CPUs. So far the CPU is functional for office work which is already a good step forward. SSD, memory and panels are all catching up recently
其实b站就有跑分的
婷婷黄 因为这个兆芯其实是以前cpu三国争霸的Cyrix的孙子。
Social credit gone.
The sad thing is, this thing probably beats out the computer I played on before I got a job and built my current one. I didn't spend $1,000 on it when I bought it like 10 years ago, though.
I'll never forget playing Skyrim and Fallout 3 at 640x480 with textures as close to disabled as they could get at 5 FPS.
Yup, I played with that too, and I got a solid 10 FPS until an Oblivion Gate was loaded in the same cell, then it dropped to about 3.
I began gaming on a netbook. A Samsung nc10 I believe it was. I’ll also never forget playing oblivion at like 10 fps, and trying desperately to do whatever I could to raise performance.
Enthusiast space: intel, amd.
Optimistic space: zhaoxin
If the NSA are a threat then the Zhaoxin would be a good choice. No backdoor Management Engine / PSP.
@@theexplosionist2019 Except same NSA like niceties of Chinese origin. Pick your poison.
@@KrotowX Only the NSA backdoors have been proven though.
@@KPTKleist a non-american would say "yes" because some of them is anti-American and some of them is anti-China but really they will use either spyware as long as it get good price or specs.
@@xponen americans love to forget they've been caught red handed intercepting e-mails from chiefs of historical allies.
My country's (which Is a historical ally) president comunication was compromised and the lack of a big stink about it really annoys me.
Thank you for making me feel better about my Athlon 200GE.
Trust me, the 200GE is an awesome little APU. I'm in love with it, the 2200G and the new Athlon 3000GE.
That tower same design with our office lenovo units 😂
Probably cuz Lenovo helped manufacture it since Lenovo is Chinese
Chinese call Lenovo as American consciousness due to its some notorious operations. lol
Considering that many governments in the world are still pretty much using Windows XP or earlier, (I had to apply for my company name on a Windows 2003 machine here in high tech Singapore). Civil servants are also not likely to worry about processing time of their work. And the computer is going to be paid with taxpayer's money. I think these CPUs are fit for purpose.
from a capitalist standpoint, it's much more preferable from direct subsidy. but yeah well, still it sucked.
@If you laugh you sub! Ahem.
interestingengineering.com/putin-still-uses-windows-xp-and-looks-like-he-gives-no-damn
This man might disagree with you
@If you laugh you sub! Not true. All the computers in my office building still use xp. About 30 of them. Our other locations I assume still use xp too. I also know our local library still uses xp.
@If you laugh you sub! Hospitals, factories, control centers, all windows XP. Because it is lightweight and more stable*.
*much more stable when doing one thing
In Brasil it is Vista or w7
direct die cooling. China knows how to impress overclockers:)
Which is why I will be moving to China when I am 30 years or 35 years old or 37 years old
I almost spit out my coffee when you said Atom level...thought you meant Adam (Coleco) level. Man I'm getting old hahaha
Hahaha
Via CPUs and S3 graphics? That's a blast from the past!!!
33:17 Note that $1017 is the *retail* price. Volume discounts *will* apply.
Reminder that these are intended for the government, a captive market due to restrictions. I don't think they're going to get much of a deal.
Governments, just like the medical care, are usually fine with overpricing anyway. It's simply good business. To treat yourself.
Buyer: "A €10000 power-drill?"
Distributor: "Yes, but it's in a lovely sanitary white and chrome design!"
Buyer: "We'll take 10!"
@@Shotblur That isn't how the communists operate. They don't have a price, the factory is just told "make this" and provided the raw materials and labor.
I get it now. The Verge. They have that name because they are on the verge of being competent.
Are you kidding?! They're not even close.
Steve admitted to using a 220 volt outlet just to use a hair dryer at home.
Granted nothing is too good for that level of hair so I don't blame the guy.
probably a clothes drier tbh
It's probably a chinese drier. :) USA is special with its voltage.
@@AstralS7orm or a UK or European one. Maybe it's Mielle.
240V > 120V
Lower transmission current, less losses, lower power bills.
Clothes Dryers are 240v in the US.
This surprised me, do American homes have separate outlets for driers with 240V? Do they have a transformer in the house or something?
Petition to call all future Chinese server CPUs the "Xi-On line"
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Count me in
Should send some pictures to Buildzoid so he can make a motherboard revier and vrm analysis for shits and gigles
This motherboard has a one-eighth phase vrm providing ample power to the 8 watt chipset
Without knowing the technical specs of the CPU?
As a Chinese, I have to say, nice pronunciation on those Mandarin terms.
他还说了几句汉语，发音很标准啊
你整天as个什么东西啊
Knowing Chinese is really useful, especially when you're looking at sketchy hardware online
Yay chinese people
It's even more useful when trying to escape a labor camp.
@@SnifferSock this has been debunked.
This system is evidently not meant for the consumer market and especially not for export. It seems to be a thin client pc for government offices and municipalities, public libraries law enforcement financial institutions etc to replace the intel and amd thin clients currently in use. For that purpose it is completely adequate.
Yep, also military desk job, Chinese government is very paranoid after Snowden incident, not to mention all the intel me security issue exposed over the year. Most of these gov machine now are still on intel, running with hard switch dual system
And still not worth it..
@@hjy2187418 No need to be paranoid. Check USA laws on american brands and manufacturer. The law make them implement backdoors and communicate any information they hold on a non-american company without justification. Even NSA produce their own processors and hardware as far as I know.
I think they can build better just lika huwaei phone. but they're too lazy...
@@T4CFantasy Depends on what the real cost is. Internal government cost could be much lower in volume.
Oohhhh new segmented timeline, I like it a lot, built in timestamps.
I hate it
Serious question:
If Huawei already works with the Chinese government anyway, why don't they make the processors/computers for government work with their own chips which are much, MUCH, better than the x86 crap ZhaoXin has churned out? Sure, it's ARM, but there are plenty of Linux distros that support ARM processors, including my personal favorite, Deepin OS, which is also made by a Chinese developer team. Some Huawei laptops even ship with Deepin OS, although they ship with the x86 installation, not an ARM processor and ARM distro. Wouldn't it make sense for China to pour all their tech funding into one company that has already proven adept at basically everything they need, rather than basically making a government backed kickstarter?
I guess its made like this to prevent the chinese businessman from gaming at work...
This is actually the real answer btw. Every government company is required to use these PC to prevent any form of "entertainment" You can get from a PC.
@@ZNedja what a wonderful sounding country. so much so that the citizens force themselves to stay there.
@@musek5048 well if it can't get worse, why leave amirite? 😂
@@musek5048 ignoring your sarcasm. ANY company wish their worker to not game at work.
fyi these are used as thin clients so it doesnt even matter what PC you're using since it's only used to stream anyways.
lol immediately thought it looked like a lenovo...my suspicion was confirmed
Got to give them; They have the right idea with the NeoKylin / Ubuntu Kylin etc. Make it as windows like user interface as possible at first to minimize learning. Once people get accustomized with it and the backend, they can start slowly changing it.
This is what is missing on the linux world, i know i could get tons of people to move to Linux if there was very precisely similar UI to windows available so people don't have to re-learn basic usage at first, just package management / how to install apps would be initially odd and weird. These days for gamers it would be super simple too with steam + proton :)
I LOVED that OS part in the video. I am so sick of Windows 10 but I have never ever used Linux in my 30 year PC career so a Linux based system that looks and feels like windows 7 is THE DREAM. I am actually desperately googling how to get an iso of that NeoKylin. No luck though :(
@@catriona_drummond Kubuntu is somewhat close, does not quite look but the main things work as expected and share parts of the UI logic. Linux power is in the shell tho.
but do give kubuntu a try :)
Personally i use Ubuntu with Xfce (Essentially Xubuntu but less known flavor) myself right now, but about to change to Kubuntu
@@catriona_drummond There are plenty of ways to make Linux look like Windows already though. For example for KDE Plasma there are Windows 10 skins. Personally my first experience with Linux was in school, we were using openSuse, which I later installed on my old laptop to revilatize it and... it was a nightmare. Recently though I got interested in Manjaro, installed it and I've been using it for about a year now exclusively, I was AMAZED how much easier it is to use than Windows is (not saying that Manjaro is the only one that's simple to use, plenty of Linux distros are). Want to install something? Just type in what you are looking for in package manager and everything is downloaded and installed for you, no need to search through websites! Oh, and searching for stuff actually works, so that's nice.
Basically unless you absolutely require certain programs that straight up don't work on Linux (like PhotoShop), Linux can offer a smoother experience than Windows
These os are focused on gov office & military deck job etc, your average town hall staff who is familiar with windows xp for their whole life is not gonna be bother to learn windows. Thus they design these way. Kirin os was originally designed to be push to general public, but of course it failed
@@Starcrafter23 did manjaro not shit the bed on you at some point? My install lasted 8 months before xorg.conf got so fucked I had to manually startx from a TTY every time I rebooted or changed user, and a month after that it would softlock on sleep or hibernate. Manjaro had absolutely the smoothest integration of KDE I've ever seen, but it's also by far the least stable distro I've tried. That's including Arch, SUSE Tumbleweed, and Debian Sid; all three of which are true rolling releases unlike manjaro. I also really don't recommend the AUR, some of those packages are put together by complete lobotomites.
When you will try to buy Russian PC? Elbrus 801-PC that can emulate x86-64 and have own linux. It cost a lot, but pricing is never lister, because its for order only. Im curious because im Russian.
This is so weird watching... I work at a Lenovo Authorized Reseller/Repair Center lolol I do purchasing and see all of this but Lenovo Branded. Can't wait to show the boys at work!
This is super interesting. I hope you can get your hands on one of these more recent ZX-E based machines, just to see what kind of progress they've made since.
Given that the end goal is to replace foreign products with their own home grown chips in data centers, there is no doubt that they'll keep working hard on this.
What? The Chinese government doesn't want outside electronics equipment. How peculiar :P
I wopould really like a security expert to review the computer+native OS to check for backdoors and """telemetry""" on this system. This would be valuable, but this is a gaming channel.
I am worried about China and their government. Am I alone here? This might not be the forum but is free speech hindering western way of life when dealing with a communist country? Anyway back on topic, to me this product shows how China is working toward being self reliant.... that is the smart way to go.... Let's smarten up too
Luke G what really worries me is that our advancements in computing is what has also kept us way ahead in development in other areas, like stealth technology, nuclear power, jet propulsion, etc. The reason they don’t mess with us is because they know our military is basically capable of glassing their entire country, take that away, and they become a very serious threat.
Somewhat true, but it is very similar with the USA. Both have backdoors. I do not know about China but i know that the USA will suppress people that tried to make war crimes of the USA public.
If you are worried about China and their government, then you should also be worried the US-Government and about AMD, Intel or Microsoft.
You have to catch the verges news always with tweezers...
Those aren't tweezers. They're zip ties.
@@JoelGetzhasauselessurl i was being ironic...
The term "中标" in "中标麒麟" is the abbreviation of "中国标准", which could be translated to "Chinese standard".
这机器不是跑XP专用的吗，比如报税用的并口…
LOL it says right on their logo standard software.
"None of us can kan dong zhong wen zi" lmao this is great
Wait what?! A Linux based operating system that looks and feels like Windows 7?! That sounds FANTASTIC!!!! It sounds exactly like my next OS! Now how do I get my hands on an ISO?
Linux OS that look and feel like windows have existed for a very long time. Don't go hunting for a way to install this Chinese government spyware, just use a debian/Ubuntu variant. Any Linux distro can look like windows
I have good luck with Linux Mint
Stock Kubuntu looks and feels very close to Windows 10 by default
@@АлексейГриднев-и7р I am looking for the 7 design though. Windows 10 looks shit.
@@catriona_drummond you can easily customize Kubuntu so that it looks and behaves exactly the way you want it (I made my KDE look like MacOS just for fun :)). There are plenty of tutorials on how to do that, and that even doesn't involve command line :)
I wonder if the chinese variants of Linux that get shipped with their systems will attempt to block contact with either the outside world or try to break the functionality of tools like Tor on the OS level.
Nope, China isn't North Korea, Jinping Xi isn't kim Jun on, Deepin Linux and Ubuntu kylin both don't have any internet restrictions.
"From the beginning, all of the versions of Kylin have been intentionally skinned to look like Microsoft Windows, such that it would help aid workers in transitioning from Windows into the locally-made operating system, because it minimizes the amount you would have to learn."
MS: Windows just got better! We've relocated all your Control Panel options so you get to search for the functionality that you used to know where to find. For example, rather than right-clicking an icon in your systray, simply type "How do I change my DNS server settings _this_ year?" into the Start menu and you will be presented with a short sequence of incantations.
"Under Appearance Options, there's also a Classic Mode which brings back the previously publicized XP skin from the older NeoKylin releases."
MS: ...? One-click access to whatever user interface you're most comfortable with? Consistency between releases? _What is this mysterious technology?_
That damn wheelputer makes me laugh every time I look at it.
(NOTE: POST HAS BEEN EDITED WITH CORRECTION.)
~1000 USD
Sounds like China's stuck in the 90s where PCs cost around or even *north* of that. Yeesh.
And by that, I am leaning towards whoever decided to make this by scratch... if that is even *really* true.
Because that CPU looks like an Athlon XP or Sempron.
It's $1000 USD. At least get the price right. Yes, it's way too much, but you could at least not spread misinformation.
$1017. You didn't hear Steve
@@GamersNexus My bad. I thought I heard $1,700. It's an honest mistake.
I edited the post with that correction.
@@megakedar Yea, I misheard it. Or remembered it incorrectly.
Almost all desktop CPUs looks like Athlon XP if you remove IHS.
Sweet vid. I make political and daily life vlogs from China in case you're interested in what that's like.
Actually pretty cool to see a reviewer of any kind to take time and learn to pronounce the language. (In Steve’s case he actually learned Chinese Mandarin)
I typed first before any of you. But running chrome on a ZhaoXin is that slow
Took me 9 months. You must have a newer series.
Wait, you mean to tell me a well known bastion of computer knowledge like The Verge somehow got it wrong in their article? I just can't bring myself to believe it with how amazing their How to Build a Computer video was.
Xhing Xhong Ping Pong
-Beve Sturke 2020
I feel like we are laughing now but just you wait
Harley Norris i mean they already has zen 1 full license with design
19 minutes in....did Steve just say Apevia power supply?
Damn....
WhatYearIsIt.meme
That Chinese about warranty sticker is actually pretty good. Though we don't often use "Bao Zheng" for warranty, it's more like guarantee.
I was hoping someone in the comments would provide a translation, but so far I haven't found someone.
@@rikwisselink-bijker well that's literally Steve's next line. 99% authentic.
The funny thing is Kylin isn't even the first Chinese Red Hat derivative designed to ape the appearance of Windows, the entire Kylin series was predated by another CCP-backed Linux OS called, in a rather appropriate irony, Red Flag. Red Flag started development in 1999 by the Chinese Academy of Science and had a couple moments of prominence in the Chinese computing scene, in 2000 many CCP government agencies were told to replace Windows 2000 installations with Red Flag, and in 2008 internet cafes in Nanchang were being ordered to swap to it from Windows XP. Its development kind of fell by the wayside in the latter half of the 2010s, with many people reporting its discontinuation around 2014, although the specifics are a bit less than clear due to the usual pitfalls of finding information on CCP government projects.
Wait, since when do we have segmentation in the seek bar? That's pretty cool
This is the first that I am seeing this, It's pretty cool to be honest, this should have been added a very long time ago.
@_nomatter : Thanks for pointing that out - the page source has the time stamps with descriptions - hovering over player bar segments reveals those descriptions - a new feature (to me to see too ... dee doo ;)
what segmentation?
I still cant see those (Firefox on PC and an older App (cant update due to Android Version (newest compatible))
@@emmata98 I can see it on a most likely outdated version of Chromium on Windows.
To be fair, it wouldn't take China too long to get their dedicated CPU company up and running if they actually wanted to push that lol
They could just buy TSMC right?
And Huawei probably is already working on something
KCS and any western person helping by buying it is a moron
@Maverick
Invade Taiwan , you have the American Army defending the island since the end of World War 2 after the Japanese were defeated !
Nobody phucks with Taiwan or Japan, as long as the American Army is there !
they could just annex taiwan, thats the plan
i would more be interested how it does with big table calculations, how it deals with office leads in general
WPS has linux version
I love these reviews of unusual hardware. It would make my whole month if you decided to do something similar with a Raptor Talos II system!
Does it feature the fatty Dove Racing?
It wouls be interesting to analyze that OS to see if it's equipped with surveillance tools. I'd be surprised if it didn't. "Activating" it may enable these tools, since "activating" the OS would likely identify the user.
Yeah id love to know how "secure" it is.
Probably still less than Windows spyware lmao
Can anyone tell me why everybody wants all their pc hardware to blink like a discoball? it's kind of ridiculous. I want a power status indicator LED, maybe an I/O indicator LED. I don't want to be distracted by changing colors all the time. Backlit keyboards are nice. Heck you can't find any good hardware any more without it being stuffed with this garbage. RGB fans, RGB RAM, rgb mice, keyboards, speakers, coolers. why?!
I'm amazed at how you are pronouncing Chinese 😂 Its kinda funny but it is also mostly correct lol
I've been talking to Mr. Soong from this little "hardware" shop in that back alley in Shenzhen, and he told me that his Chinese government sources told him that the 8-core/16-threads, 3.6 GHz ZhaoXin "San 1" (or Shan or Shen or Xin, depending on the dialect) should be available sometime in 2025. Intel and AMD better be afraid. :)
freaked me out when you started speaking in Chinese for a sec regarding the warranty sticker xD good one!
VIA.....S3......is this 1999-2000??? What? remember when S3 made a graphics deccelerator instead of an accelerator. I remember the trolling even before it was a thing as we know it today
I really love you content, dry humour and honesty. Please keep your content coming. I love listening to your stuff while working.
Ship this thing to LowSpecGamer. Not just for the testing but it's probably better than what he actually uses.
He's doing his videos as a hobby, not because his computer is crappy.
As far as the 220-240 Volt problem: You can get a simple transformer, which used to be common before adaptive power supplies.
The simplest systems just are two sets of copper windings in a 1:2 ratio.
There might be smarter systems.
Your Chinese is actually quite ok! I am surprised but upon reflection I guess that's how you got through all those China Mainland / Taiwan factory tours...
According to Steve, he's been studying and learning Mandarin for about a year now. He's getting better every time he speaks it seems
"our enemy has cyber weapons? Then we will fight in the lag."
Wait, wasn't Kylin earlier branch based off of FreeBSD not openbsd? I remember it in the late 2000s and was a BSD desktop user at the time and made quite the buzz
I'm disappointed there was no attempt to fight Kirin as part of the gameplay tests.
That would make for quite a challenge with that level of performance...
So in short - it performs and it's priced like a Mac.
Yo, this new RUclips thing where it's splitting the playback bar into labeled sections is pretty nice.
It's done manually by time stamp labeling in the description.
I am going to play grand theft auto 3 on my red cyber-power gaming desktop pc 24/7!!!!
Just when you think The Verge has gotten off the Struggle Bus they take over as the driver.
That's what happens when you combine truth with a guess-work of a lazy writer.
US$1k for goverment approved pc? Yep sound about right. Pretty cheap even.
My college had Dell Optiplex machines and Apple iMacs. The only IBMs we got were the laptops that were loaned out to students from our IT department.
Jesus Christ its... Jason Bourne
Huh it broke the play bar into the time stamps very neat. Guess youtube is adding more stuff.
My schools have always used ancient C2D HP or Dell computers, but those Lenovos are very common online, so, yeah, I've seen the Lenovos.
Yep. I deal with a lot of machines that have been refurbished after being used for over a decade in offices and schools and...I've gotta say, the ThinkCentres M71s, Compaq Elite 8000s, and OptiPlex 780ies can get a surprising amount of work done even despite being....what, like ten generations out of date at this point?
@@ShroudedWolf51 I keep a optiplex 360 tower around, reliable and built fairly good. I think there is 2 different quad cores itll upgrade to also but ehhh.
@@ShroudedWolf51 You can get a lot of work done with even a 350MHz PowerPC G3 (or, I dunno, a 550MHz K6-2), at least for the kinds of workflows most offices and schools have PCs for. My current laptop is the final 15" PowerBook G4.
It seems like office work over there is about like over here. You get a crappy computer.
love the "youtube commenter" lol
You don't know the kind of struggle systems people play FFXIV on, like my Ivy Bridge laptop which runs it below 720p with everything turned off for a silky smooth....... 22fps
And that was back when you could still run it in DX9 mode
"Civ IV turn time just for fun"... yeah I bet a lot of it was had in this test.
Price aside, it strikes me as a reasonable work station for the average mid level employee's work desk. Running spread sheets, data bases off a server and word processing should be about seamless. It shouldn't have too much trouble with internet browsing and watching low resolution videos. Gamers aside and price aside and having a low power consumption I think it should work pretty well in a non competitive environment. And keep in mind, elsewhere in the world, power is a way bigger deal. There are places where a 500 watt PC simply isn't doable.
As to the price issue, I assume that private people currently need to compete with the government in China. Competition keeps prices up and so do government contracts. I don't see any issues that would keep the price high whenever the appropriate time comes.
Most interesting, is China's move to Linux. With China's massive user base it's likely that they are going to put some real effort into the Linux OS and we may see Linux spread world wide out of China in popularity.
For now... this thing is a weed in the garden of AMD, Intel and Windows' hegemony but weeds spread fast...
and how much spy hardware is included in this thing ? :D
less backdoors than intel and amd. That's the whole point :D
@@chemicalbuz yeh the Chinese government already has its citizens by the balls... I'm sure they don't need hardware "flaws" when they just watchem 24/7
About as much as the spy hardware in your system.
@@kestrel8838 Except the spy hardware on my computer is used to market things to me (which I still don't like) while the Chinese spy hardware is used to find out if you say anything critical of the government so they can disappear you.
@@Airclot If believing that makes you comfortable, sure. They're all the same.
@Gamers Nexus
I don't know if you know this. Many companies (like Apple for OSX and Sony for their PS3/PS4 operating system) prefer BSD because the license is more 'generous', their license allows to use the code, change something and close it down. So companies who want a free foundation but want to close it down can do that. The GPL-licenses do not allow that. I can only speculate about it but that might explain why the Chinese at first chose to use OpenBSD. The switch to Linux can be easily explained: Linux is much better for regular desktop-usage. It has more software which these users need and it can handle Windows-only software (and gaming) much better. However, developers love to use BSD-systems (just for themselves, where they write code on). Just so you know, there is a good chance that you could have improved the performance of those games and that benchmark with a few small tweaks, specifically by using the latest Proton, using proper settings and installing the aco-compilers from Valve.
They should ship it with ReactOS.
Bought a motherboard for 400 RMB (~60 USD) last year (Feb. 2020) to be used as NAS, in my unit the motherboard is made by Lenovo with special USB3.0 and front audio connector which require additional adaptors
It's crazy how these to-Business machines are priced....
As Chinese myself, I can tell you no one uses this distro, because those who uses Linux wants freedom and state backed project isn't the best choice for that.
Bruh you spooked me with those proper Chinese pronunciations thought someone else was next to me lmao.
But the Chinese news told me this was the best PC ever created
or do you mean fake western media, WMD right
Reassuring to see that ripping off the government is a universal value shared by people the world over.
The newest variant of this chip has i3/bulldozer level performance but with 8 proper cores/threads. Good enough for business and mid-end gaming.
I like the fact that it's basically an IBM/Lenovo case lol. The CPU kinda reminds me of older AMDs, like AMD2000+ where the die was basically exposed.
I'm actually rooting for this Chinese cpu cuz if they catch up then thatlly mean there will be more competition
Someone please send a keyboard from this thing to Chyrosran22. I can't wait to hear the swearing over the layout alone.
Intel & AMD : let's innovate and release products
China : Control+C, control +v
I was promised the most swag paintjob ever in the thumbnail. Betrayal!
It isn't a gaming PC. It _is_ $1000 though.
Apple?
its a government PC , 1000 is cheap for government.
I'm reminded of Linux Mint and its sister project, Linux Mint Debian Edition, or LMDE. Linux Mint, the official, mainstream version, is based on Ubuntu, while LMDE delivers the same user interface and overall experience, but based directly on Debian Linux. For comparison, if I heard you right, it seems there are a couple of Kylin distributions based on Red Hat Linux, and then there is Ubuntu Kylin, which is based on Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is based on Debian anyway.