Brilliant set of vids, boys. Im INFJ, and these were entertaining, and watching the chemistry, and flow between the two of you was just lovely. I'm now sold on ENFP's.. and the 'double act' that you two have is blanced, fun, intellectual, and oh, Thank God, so full of authentic feeling. Thanks so much for uploading. M. x
I noticed that ENTP's are more like NF than all other NT's. And that ENFP's are more like NT than all other NF's. Being ENFP myself, I sometimes feel like nt and share similar values, and goals with them. NT's are fun to talk to, hang out with, but they are sometimes cold and reserved. And shure, as u said in the video, it's harder for them to sympathise with us NF's. I must say the most profound experience with a fellow human was when I met ENFP for the first time in my life and started talking with them for like 3 hours non-stop. Ranting about all the things that insterest us, and that we care about. It's an endless stream of pure pleashure. Nvm, I love your videos, they are very informative and pleasant.
One of my best friends is an INTJ, and I'm an INFP. Recently I've really noticed how we come from very different mindsets when we're talking about careers. When I'm off on my speel about how it's so hard to know where to go in life, frequently becoming disenchanted with career paths and how everything is too restrictive and compartmentalised at university, he just thinks I'm a slacker ! He loves the details and the rigours of learning, even having 5 years of a dentistry degree to go! teeth D: !
I think NFs are naturally more adept at understanding paradoxical concepts and generally confusing topics than some NTs. NTs can only undertand ideas in manual mode so to speak. Emotional based reasoning can make shortcuts and is more efficient as a result. But specifically as an INTJ, when I am using my Ni in a discussion, it's usually the NFs that understand me before the NTs. INTJs will often say thing that are absurd and out of the norm, then the quirky feelers empathize (epiphany happens)
@nfgeeks I am an INTJ myself, and I absolutely ADORE NF's. The reason is that INTJ's are very individualistic and independent and NF's always strive to be true to themselves and their own value systems. My favorite NF is the ENFP, beacause their strongest function is intuition, as with INTJ. INTJs ARE weird, which is another reason I like ENFPs, they understand and appreciate our weirdness and our wry sense of humor. I don't see NFs as inferior at all, very refreshing to be around.
As an INTJ I find that NF's view me entirely differently than SJ's and P's. Although admittingly I can be insensitive, NF's see me as sincere, unsuperficial, open minded and that I have integrity. I am actually quite embarrased to hear this, because I am so used to being negatively dismissed by other types. To clarify, I find it very endearing that NF's can see the deeper context of my assertions.
Your channels is such a good communication channels, because I feel almost if not completely identical to you! I'm an ENFP and I enjoy thoroughly these things you guys put up. =D
It's a very give and take ordeal, when NF's and NT's pair up. =) As an ENTP, I really like that NF's know where I'm coming from. "The stream." Exactly. Very well put. When talking with Sensors, they look at me like I have ten heads. It can be endlessly frustrating. Great vid! I really enjoyed it. Appreciation is nice.
INTJ here going to college in Oklahoma, and I wanted to say that I actually appreciate NFs. My best friend is an ENFP. I may be in the minority among NTs, but if I had my choice I would be both NT and NF simultaneously. I see it as a sort of balance that I'd love to achieve.
Interesting video. Two of my closest friends/family members are INFJ and ENFP. I can relate to how you two perceive the NT mindset, along with the difficulties and benefits of these relations. I consider our intuitive wave-length most rewarding for understanding each other, even though we may differ in cognitive functions, and behave according to different methods.
I as a free individual am able to admire the beauty, and 'novelty', and secret desire for emotion and honesty that exists within your types, and perhaps NTs pursue that line of strength, which they have been conditioned to, to gain your favor, and the ultimate truth of victory, acceptance, and truth itself. There is such a beauty in what it is you do. Something that has more power than I believe your type is naturally able to decipher.
INTP from Oklahoma. I tend to get along really well with NFs and they make up most of my friends, which is great because we share common interests, but sometimes it does suck to be the only one at all interested in solving crazy science problems. As for how NFs make me feel, they have a knack for bringing out my feeling side in a really positive way, making me get really bashful, almost glow with happiness, and get butterflies in my stomach.
Oh god, the ending is hilarious. I'm an INFP, but I have a bunch of NT friends, and I am *constantly* worrying about whether they like me or not. And in my head, I am as desperate as you two sound (no offense lol.) And the lack of responses from NT people worries me......PLEASE JUST LOVE ME
I am an ENTP. I generally like NFs. I mean all my friends are NFs. The only thing that bugs me is that they always seem to think they understand what I am saying when they just really don't.
Personally, I love my NF friends because I feel like they can understand and care for my emotional side without needing to see it expressed all of the time which is something I can't get from any of the other three types. They are also fun to bounce ideas around with. I enjoy their passion and compassion for others.
My mom is an NT, and I am an INFJ. She does say things that hurt my feelings often and then I get angry/ hurt. Something intresting to me is that she has started to watch the Dog Whisperer on TV. For some reason she really understands this show and is even become instantly good with dogs. She says this show helps her understand people better and she is becoming more sensitive in her interactions with people. Can you tell me from a MBTI view why this show makes sense to her?
As an INTP, being around NF-types has helped me inadvertently develop my crippled feeling function, which in turn, balances and improves my weakest points. We need to step outside our “comfort functions” and explore dangerous territories to know ourselves to a greater degree.
Late to the party but glad I found you. I am trying to help my ENFP friend with her love life with (I think) an INTJ guy. I am NT, and she is saying I am helping her to understand him. Meanwhile, every once in a while she looks at me in abject horror and says 'I can't beeeleeeeeve you can see things like that! You would actually just (behavior x) merely because (event y) leads you to (conclusion z)??!!" It makes me realize that forgone conclusions are never that to the NF in matters of the hear
This discussion was so interesting that I watched it again. Just wanted to suggest the word "systematic" rather than "linear" to describe NT thought processes.
Intj with an a very good friend who is an infj. I admire his intelligence, and the "connection" we both have with our intuitive function. We both have an obsession with integrity, and judge people the same but for different reasons. As an NT I must admit I often find him unshakeably stubborn when confronted with logic he will not accept, so I tend to dismiss his arguements that are based on feelings rather than logic. So I consider him a "kinsman", but not akin to me. Excellent videos Mike
In my Life as an INTJ, I knew from a very young age that philosophizing was a strong part of my individual complete self. By 'philosophy' I mean as a way of approaching information and problem solving;testing things out and trying to absorb as opposed to control. It didn't take much time or learning to see that Life is messy and organic- illogical. I needed to develop my Fi and Se to become more successful at achieving practical real world results. (: I have relied upon F and S people a lot !
There is so much power in what it is you do. It is essentially the glue, the base, the essence of what defines an enviornment, and enviornment means everything, especially if you could define it. Everything has its place. It is the only true rational.
I'm an INTJ, and I really enjoy spending time with NFs. They get me, on some level, and don't harass me for being me. They can also make the intuitive leaps most people find difficult, which really makes them great as emotional mentors. I'm not proud of it, but sometimes I need a smack upside the head when I unintentionally and unknowingly offend somebody or hurt their feelings and good explanation of what happened and how to fix it.
I'd say im an INTP guy, and while on a trip back to my hometown I met a friend of mine who was an INFP who I haven't seen in years. I was glad to see him, but while he was shocked and enthusiastic I just had a slight forced smile. Later on in the conversation he said jokingly: "Wow, you're really emotional."
I think culture has a lot to do with how type is expressed. I thought for years that I was an NF until a solid argument was presented to me to the contrary. The fellow who set me straight was a clinical psychologist who came from my part of the country. He did a good job of describing how my rural upbringing with a strong emphasis on Fe had caused my perception of my type to be clouded.
I'm an ENFP with an INTP father and an ESFJ mother. I'm actually very close with both of them and enjoy our conversations. I notice both the NT and SJ temperaments in them, but they seem to be of the more mild variety (if they were an INTJ and an ESTJ our relationships would be much more difficult). Also, when the conversation isn't going so well I try to shift the discussion towards practical matters or problems. That usually does the trick.
Apparently I'm an INFJ, and my friend is an INTJ. We talk quite a bit, sometimes about really interesting things but even before this I've known her not to act the "emotional" type. And it's very hard to get stuff out of her I've found. We have some banter about our differences which is funny. She's also a good listener.
You and your partner both explained how you grew up in a specific dominant type of household that now makes sense in the mbti spectrum. In my case, due to my lack of raising, perhaps due to my Eastern and especially disconnected upbringing, have a rather checkered background, and has allowed me be able to not actively engage that defense or coping mechanism, which I believe is what you interpret as 'thinking they are better than' the NFs, and really are just playing to their strengths.
It's been tough for this NF in the south too. I've always felt like a fish out of water and I've lived in the southeast all my life. Most NTs and NFs I know are liberals and that's a big part of the problem I think since the south is sooooo conservative.
As an NT, I find the part about seeing the other Nx as a kin or mirror resonates. It seems most of my close friends are NFs, and I enjoy their humor and insight a lot. And absolutely love INFs. I always enjoy the chance to talk with NFs. So long as there are no group hugs.
@Bremerxxxx I think it is great that you seek out others like NF's to help strengthen yourself. That is EXACTLY what I suggest doing in one of our other videos.
you guys are cool, your videos are awesome! I'm an INTP girl. i like the NF's they are very undestanding of my nature and do not easily judge people at first meeting. optimistic and have a knack to elevate my mood. my younger sister is an INFP, and we are pretty good friends. hahaha, what dave said about NT being kids, is exactly what my mom said about me, and every NF friends I had. My ENFP friend, my ENFJ friend, etc etc.pverall, i love NF's, I also think they are easiest to engage with.
ENTP here. I love NFs and I definitely consider you equals. :) One thing I realized last night about Tertiary feeling is that... when we feel, ... ALL the feelings come out at one time. So when I turn empathy on, it's REALLY on. Whereas the NFs are better experienced with navigating all the 'shades' and colors of these feelings. So just know that some of our "coldness" comes from not wanting to sloppily spew out our feeling goo everywhere cause someone's going to have to clean it up.... ;)
I can see a little bit that NTs seem to always act like they are always right -- I can especially see how an ENFP could think that way, but it seems a bit more variable with each individual type. I know INFJs with our Ni-Fe mix causes us to think we are always right as well to some extent. Now, with ENTPs I don't see that trend.
(This is my final comment after my rant, reply to the NT comment, and finishing the video) Perhaps I'm an INTJ, but it seems that when I was able to sink into this conscious thought of 'feeling', perhaps it was another youtuber, but I was able to truly enjoy the emotion that was bringing brought on. It seems that an NT has to try to emotionally adapt to your type, and perhaps your type has to adapt to the NT's logic, to truly create unity and ultiamt growth. The concept may apply universally.
I think the problem is that more often than not NF's will judge a person's integrity, commitment and application of the ideas and thoughts that they have. We value consistency in character. It's hard to dissociate a person with a bad attitude from their brilliant ideas for example. In other words, practice what you preach! :)
I'm an INTJ and i have a friend who is and ENFP and i really can relate to him he can tell some other views to the problem and he can give me some insights about someone. unlike for my SP and SJ friends makes me impulsive at times and disturbs my intuiting. But i can't actually find another NF cause most of the persons i know are SJ and SP
We don't, or at least I don't (INTJ), gain much pleasure from external affirmation, so the flipside to that is that I don't give it to other people as well. I don't give off the tells that people normally use to determine if they are being well received. If they seem curious about you, then they like you pretty much. I bet feelers feel like they are being interrogated when I express interest in them.
Your way of putting the disconnect between NF and NT feels very right. It can be frustrating for me to understand not-bound-by-any-box way of thinking because stuff NEEDS logic to work. But others don't feel that boundary. And there are things that haven't been explained by logic or science. But for me that's all a big "yet." And it's not like I can't see it in other ways at all, actually. It's that I have to go beyond myself and my own way of thinking to get to that irrational rationality -INTP
ENTP here. I have an ENFP brother and INFJ mother and you guys are awesome. NTs should also consider going to therapy more because counselors are very likely NF types. I have been able to open myself up honestly and while I'm not touchy feely if it's something that isn't rational but still bothers me it's always good to talk to an NF. NTs aren't unfeeling robots, they just have a bug in their amazing supercomputer brains that needs a patch or two by the thoughtful NF. Takes many types for the world to go around. I'm great at generating ideas but I'm fucking clueless in consoling people in the moment. Fix it and let's feel later. Hell I act because I feel but I can also logically piece together items objectively. I usually come at it from a pretty selfless perpective but I also think that I'd be a little less wholesome with values if I could also work in how I can make bank off of also being altruistic. You guys do it for the real good, we do it to see if we actually can pull it off.
Oh, let me tell you, as an ENTP, I most certainly feel the same way about you NFs--as my counterparts and fellow intuitives. ENTPs tend to be the most empathetic of all NTs, but you guys make empathy easy. Involuntary, sometimes. You create a safe space to feel, and that's the data that you feed back to our pattern-seeking Ne/Ti. Furthermore, I remember suffering much as a child at the hands of S peers who couldn't understand me. Never Ns. I feel the need to protect the whole clan, not just NTs.
We are all animals and respond similarly to similar stimuli (aggression, kindness, alpha behaviour etc. ). When it comes to dogs and humans, having evolved in such great proximity with each other we share a greater fidelity of responses than other animals. Now, in the show there is presented a logical framework to dealing with problems that are of a social nature centering on interactions between individuals. CONT. in another reply
Since discovering that I am an INTJ, I have found that some of my favourite interactions are (or have been) with ENFPs, particularly. The main problem, I think, is that Ne and Ni are not always good bedfellows: if I do not have the space to let my Ni do its work, I will get defensive and cranky. Ne seems to need to interact immediately and work it out together. I wish I was more like that sometimes.
I find it's a delicate process with NT's trying to help them understand that what they said hurt you. They will usually reject that. They do not intend to be malicious- it doesn't even occur to them.They'll often argue that your hurt feelings are irrational and want you to justify them. Don't try to! Our reactionary emotions as NF can be very irrational. It's best to admit that and ask the NT to allow us to be irrational until we can explain in very specific detail for them how/why we were hurt.
I'm an INTJ. It's been stated before but I think that NF's are probably the closest to equals and I enjoy their company when I meet them. I will say that sometimes their lack of responsive to logic due to a conflict their feelings does frustrate me but I can admire the F (in certain aspects). And yes, I have watched several of your videos back to back but I find them quite interesting.
INTP here. In high school, I aced every test without doing any studying or homework. It worked out to 3.0 GPA. Then in college, I fixed my studying habits a little bit and got a 3.6 total GPA.
I'm INTJ and adore my ENFP boyfriend who brings fun and laughter into my plodding life. The trouble with NFs--I think--is there is a certain lack of self control.
@tbwdtw2 One thing I like to say about NT's (and this may come up in a future video) is that they are hard but not rigid. They are flexible. Meaning, NT's can change their mind if they are given a better reasoning or new evidence. It is not so much a conscious cognitive thought of being right as an unconscious attitude and assumption. But don't worry, I still love you. Mike
I've come to realize that, although I also have my preferences in peoples' types, I generally dont prefer a certain type. I have met very nice ESFP people, and very chaotic ESFP people. Just an example. Its the person,not the type,that determines whether ur gonna like them or not. My 2 cents. Cheers guys, an INFP comrade lol :p
My best friend is ENTP. (He probably has no idea lol). And yes, I can completely agree that NF would believe they understand when they don't. One of the things that brings my ENTP friend and I close is that we understand each other.
i am entp with equal j. i think/know nf"s feel we nt's think about them.. if we do its fleeting, causes/creates confusion and leaves an emotional WTF. love you guys!
I am an ENTJ, I believe. I would ask you to truly consider this. I believe that the majority of ENTJ, INTJ, and those of the like in which you have encountered have taken control of their strengths, perhaps that thinking and intuitive function, to their advantage, perhaps due to the environment that currently exists, or you could imagine, especially quite well I would assume in such a great and important position and calling you have as an educator.
That is very interesting. (Another INTP here!) I personally would respect such a person for their ideas (possibly even admire, depending on the level of brilliance), but never open up to them on a personal level, as I find inconsistency illogical and irritating (part of why I love MBTI is for its aid with 'prediction' factors). Someone acting inconsistently would make me distrustful and suspicious of them (mostly because I would feel threatened not knowing how I ought to act around them). xD
@tbwdtw2 Oh...I would know. I am really good at this. I can spot an NT a mile a way. It would be my hope to inspire you to the best of your NT greatness. However, I understand what you are saying precisely here because I was EXACTLY the same way in college...but I talked in class. I too was bored with the curriculum and how it was taught many times. I too was a slacker. You just haven't found yourself and your path yet. I hope you do. Mike
My best friend in an INFJ. While she isn't particularly one for finding the information like me, She can keep up with (not to mention puts up with) my crazy obsessions. She often even offer some interesting insights as well. However she is quite emotional so sometimes I do have to actually pay attention to what I say to her and be careful I don't offend. All in all, I like you as a group but I prefer NTs just because I rarely offend them.
The INTJ in me now wishes to see your evidence: you cannot just make blanket assumptions about others' intellectual prowess. NTs and NF take a very different journey often to the same destination, but--at the end of the day--the NFs are likely to have more friends, and I envy them that!
INTJ I do feel (a little) these days. I'm 40, and it's part of my natural development according to the theory. I have dated 2 INFJ recently, and really liked them both. Not much 'chemistry', though. According to Keirsey, I should fall for ENFP. I definitely have been attracted to the one I knew about. Personally, I think making objective decisions using F is disastrous. Short-sighted. But, an NF will at least be able to comprehend a perspective, even though they disagree. Unlike S.
@nfgeeks I AGREE! (although, I could do without most ENTJ's). Love the INTJ's (my best friend is one, my daughter is one), married an ENTP, and INTP are cool, too.
@magister343 Seeing multiple perspectives is more an Ne thing than an F thing. NTPs see things from many angles, and tend to be full of doubts instead of confidence. We do still insist that each perspective be justified on its merits; rather than feeling all perspectives could be right, we think of how they are likely all wrong, including our own position. Instead of doing assignments NTPs often go off researching more interesting tangents. We can be smarter than NTJs but much less productive.
I think it's all about the subject matter; as long as we can keep it in the intellectual /theoretical realm, I would relish talking to *any* type and finding out their thoughts/knowledge... I think the problems arise when things venture into territory uncomfortable to NTs. I know I avoid a lot of (S)Fs for this reason; I just can't deal with mundane details and emotional stuff... and that's my problem, not theirs. =/ + I am always worrying about hurting their feelings, which is very stressful.
Hi -- late the party, but enjoy your videos. INTJ here. A couple of quick (?) responses. WRT being right all the time -- it's not so much 'being right' in the sense that we can say what the answer is or what will happen with 100% certainty. Instead, it's more along the lines of 'given this set of facts and these assumptions, *this* is most likely the answer.' So, if we're wrong, it's because the facts changed or our assumptions didn't hold -- but the rationale was always 'right.'
I'm an INTP from Poland and I constantly feel like there is an INFP side in me. I enjoy INFP discussions more than my fellow NTs. I find it frustating too that I seem cold to other people. And it's not true we aren't sorry when we realize what went wrong in a conversation
Still, what a pain to constantly live in all that authenticity, constantly checking if you are really BEING you well enough. Who else would you be? Yet I know that you are the ones who really know what everything is all about. I know it deep down, but can't get myself to FEEL it deep down. I can't get my body convinced in its very fibers what life is for like you do. You just walk around living like that, while for me it is a bit of a mental exercise that is fun to do now and again but takes qu
I understand it, but when you put words like logic, I'm starting to believe it means a single 'line'(very descriptive) of thought, though good, is not rational in 360 degrees, that probably exists and could be thought of, even more so. It's more specific, but interesting when you think of it in context. If both feeling and thinking, and probably others, if within the context of high pressure situations, all optimally result in effective finality. Perhaps an explanation of their ult. equality?
I don't think you should put nearly as much stock into the temperaments as into the Jungian Cognitive Processes. The SP and SJ temperaments are defined by strong Se or Si, but the NF and NT temperaments include types with no functions in common. As an INTP, I have far more in common with an INFJ or INFP than an ENTJ. INFJs are my favorite type, and the most likely for me to consider my equals. Fi is awfully hard to respect, making the FP types (regardless of the perceiving function) difficult
NTPs, with Ti, have a brand of "rational" empathy. ...What I feel/think about NFs, haha- I'm learning more about them from experience, and have a generally positive opinion. There are certain seemingly NF-ish activities that I haven't really understood yet (like tumblr) but I'm trying to become more open. Actually NFs are refreshingly easy to interact with, compared to having grown up arming myself against dealing with some pretty rough TJs, STs, female SFPs who I could never relate to... etc.
Somewhat agree. I don't see that there is a direct correlation between personality type and IQ level, BUT, if an NT and an NF of the same IQ were to go head to head then yes, I'd put my money on NT every time. - also INTP.
@Bremerxxxx I love every NT I know...especially INTJ's. And let's be honest...they are WEIRDOS. Every one of them. But I cannot get enough of them. Some of my favorite human beings in the whole world are INTJ's. Mike
Regarding your conjecture that NTs don't see NFs as being on "equal [intellectual] footing": I (an INTP) don't interact on an interpersonal level when I engage in a discussion. If a person's idea is critiqued, it is the idea and not the person that is being evaluated (NFs may see this differently and feel affronted by criticism). Also, I tend to place more value on my own ideas simply because they have already been processed. New ideas require close scrutiny before they can be integrated.
Ha! I just realized how much of an INFJ I'm being in all my comments- trying to help my fellow NF's understand those tricky (but truly marvelous, I think) NT relationships.
Let me assure you that NF's do care about what you say in terms of ideas. The issue may be one of personal connection, empathy, and relating. At least know that I always listen to what ideas NT's have, sometimes agreeing, sometimes not, but always trying to hear and process.
also, i for one would rather hear this sort of stuff from an NF as it's about people, and NTs know what we don't know. people and feelings don't make sense to us. that's why we don't talk in those terms, we would like to pretend that feelings are irrelevant . but talk to us about things where feelings really are irrelevant like science and we do know we're right : )
as an INTP, i like to talk about ideas. so NFs can be good company you're probably right about us not seeing you as equal, at least intellectually. however, we put you above the S functions. to me S means small, as in small people talking about small things.
@magister343 It is well established that competence and confidence tend to be inversely related, at least when it comes to intellectual fields. A little bit of knowledge inspires confidence while a lot destroys it. The better one understands a subject, the more one realizes there is left to understand. True expertise entails attaining the metacognitive skills to recognize one's own shortfalls. Unfortunately, humans seem to be programmed to place greater trust in those who act confident.
"They do their homework", uhmm... not this NT, I hate homework, mostly because I find it useless. Projects on the other hand, I love, as long as you don't ask to evaluate my process, in which case we've run into another road block.
I burst out laughing at the "lack of empathy" part. A couple of my best friends are NFs. I provide nearly no empathy, but they know I won't so they're cool with it. I only ever provide logical views as "comfort." (I kind of have MBTI / Jungian functions to thank for this :D) And yes, I agree - the Intuitive function really causes us to naturally see each others views, but I admit, i am very biased to view T > F. Sorry! (I'm an INTP)
NFs are okay. Generally the easiest to talk too (besides other NTs, but they don't tend to be that sociable). Nothing wrong with sensors, but sometimes it's just like we come from different planets. The only person that truly easily follows my train of thought is an INTP friend. Not much of a problem though, I'm an INTJ and we generally don't feel the need to socialise that much (weird is an understatement when describing INTJs btw).
There's an Fe/Fi tension with INFJs. If you are open and honest about everything, then it can work, but I had some issues with my last gf who was an INFJ. ENFPs are the shit. I might stick with NTs for SOs now though, except I might consider an ENFP probably.
As an INTJ I find that NFs believe that they are so empathetic that they automatically understand everyone's point of view, which is similar to how NTs assume they are right. However, the NF may not accept their point of view if it doesn't follow their line of logic (or feeling I should say). It may take more empathy than they have to really comprehend and accept that NTs just don't experience empathy like they do and that they have made a decision by looking at the world and considering the consequences of that decision from an entirely different but equally valid standpoint.
@tbwdtw2 YES...I know that. I want you to know that there is an NF that knows you and your NT family are not purposefully trying to hurt us. Often, it is not even on your radar at all. I completely accept your statement and believe that NT's are not purposefully trying to hurt us...usually. ;-) Mike
INTJ here again -- with regard to your point about the NTs' smug superiority, I agree that to normal people it comes across that way. But the NTs really have no concept of F. In fact, when I first looked into MBTI, I was surprised to see that there was the T-F spectrum. I just always assumed everybody is a T. So, it's not so much as feeling (thinking?) we're superior. Rather, it's because few of us have any concept of an F trait, let alone how to interact with it.
Haha, I love NF's :) The feeling is mutual. However, it's not necessarily true that we NT's don't show emotion. As an ENTP, my Fe is quite well-developed and my Dominant Ne can even make me seem like an ENFP. We're not all cold, robotic beings ;)
I did not feel any impoliteness at all. Quite the opposite. In fact, I found your observations intuitive and insightful. I think it runs parallel to the idea I have been stating which is that NF is a language understood by other NF's but needs some translating beyond that. I feel the same way with NT's. I can follow along and even speak it a little, but I cannot fluidly communicate in it like you guys. I think you hit upon something here that is relevant. No offense taken...in fact, good job!
NTs are admiring for their pursuit of truth.However, as an INFP and as a sensitive person, I get overly sensitive from time to time when we are on an argument or discussion and I take what they say personally when in fact, they were only saying the truth. Their needlessness to display emotions on normal situations is fascinating. But of course they too are human and every NT has a little bit of F in them and so when they do display emotions, it makes it that much more special... For me anyway.
CONT. This is exactly what NTs do not understand the same way as NFs but when presented with a problem AND a logical framework in witch to ground our thinking, we seldom go wrong. TL;DR. We are all animals, the show presents a logical framework of the social relationships of animals.
LOL! That's what I am. I've heard people discussing on online boards they have trouble discerning between an INTJ personality and autism...guess that speaks to your "weirdo" comment. :P I've sometimes gotten tests saying I'm ISTJ as well, doesn't sound as accurate to me though... someone once told me this is also very unusual? That NT and SJ types tend to almost never overlap? lol I never heard that anywhere else, so whether the strong S-tendencies make me more or less a weirdo, I'm not sure.
Brilliant set of vids, boys. Im INFJ, and these were entertaining, and watching the chemistry, and flow between the two of you was just lovely. I'm now sold on ENFP's.. and the 'double act' that you two have is blanced, fun, intellectual, and oh, Thank God, so full of authentic feeling. Thanks so much for uploading. M. x
As a I(NT)P I appreciate the time my NF friends take out of their lives to get to understand me/my ideas with those one on one conversations.
I noticed that ENTP's are more like NF than all other NT's.
And that ENFP's are more like NT than all other NF's.
Being ENFP myself, I sometimes feel like nt and share similar values, and goals with them.
NT's are fun to talk to, hang out with, but they are sometimes cold and reserved. And shure, as u said in the video, it's harder for them to sympathise with us NF's.
I must say the most profound experience with a fellow human was when I met ENFP for the first time in my life and started talking with them for like 3 hours non-stop. Ranting about all the things that insterest us, and that we care about. It's an endless stream of pure pleashure. Nvm, I love your videos, they are very informative and pleasant.
One of my best friends is an INTJ, and I'm an INFP. Recently I've really noticed how we come from very different mindsets when we're talking about careers. When I'm off on my speel about how it's so hard to know where to go in life, frequently becoming disenchanted with career paths and how everything is too restrictive and compartmentalised at university, he just thinks I'm a slacker ! He loves the details and the rigours of learning, even having 5 years of a dentistry degree to go! teeth D: !
I think NFs are naturally more adept at understanding paradoxical concepts and generally confusing topics than some NTs. NTs can only undertand ideas in manual mode so to speak. Emotional based reasoning can make shortcuts and is more efficient as a result. But specifically as an INTJ, when I am using my Ni in a discussion, it's usually the NFs that understand me before the NTs. INTJs will often say thing that are absurd and out of the norm, then the quirky feelers empathize (epiphany happens)
@nfgeeks I am an INTJ myself, and I absolutely ADORE NF's. The reason is that INTJ's are very individualistic and independent and NF's always strive to be true to themselves and their own value systems. My favorite NF is the ENFP, beacause their strongest function is intuition, as with INTJ. INTJs ARE weird, which is another reason I like ENFPs, they understand and appreciate our weirdness and our wry sense of humor. I don't see NFs as inferior at all, very refreshing to be around.
As an INTJ I find that NF's view me entirely differently than SJ's and P's. Although admittingly I can be insensitive, NF's see me as sincere, unsuperficial, open minded and that I have integrity. I am actually quite embarrased to hear this, because I am so used to being negatively dismissed by other types. To clarify, I find it very endearing that NF's can see the deeper context of my assertions.
Your channels is such a good communication channels, because I feel almost if not completely identical to you! I'm an ENFP and I enjoy thoroughly these things you guys put up. =D
It's a very give and take ordeal, when NF's and NT's pair up. =) As an ENTP, I really like that NF's know where I'm coming from. "The stream." Exactly. Very well put. When talking with Sensors, they look at me like I have ten heads. It can be endlessly frustrating. Great vid! I really enjoyed it. Appreciation is nice.
INTJ here going to college in Oklahoma, and I wanted to say that I actually appreciate NFs. My best friend is an ENFP. I may be in the minority among NTs, but if I had my choice I would be both NT and NF simultaneously. I see it as a sort of balance that I'd love to achieve.
Interesting video. Two of my closest friends/family members are INFJ and ENFP. I can relate to how you two perceive the NT mindset, along with the difficulties and benefits of these relations. I consider our intuitive wave-length most rewarding for understanding each other, even though we may differ in cognitive functions, and behave according to different methods.
I as a free individual am able to admire the beauty, and 'novelty', and secret desire for emotion and honesty that exists within your types, and perhaps NTs pursue that line of strength, which they have been conditioned to, to gain your favor, and the ultimate truth of victory, acceptance, and truth itself. There is such a beauty in what it is you do. Something that has more power than I believe your type is naturally able to decipher.
INTP from Oklahoma. I tend to get along really well with NFs and they make up most of my friends, which is great because we share common interests, but sometimes it does suck to be the only one at all interested in solving crazy science problems.
As for how NFs make me feel, they have a knack for bringing out my feeling side in a really positive way, making me get really bashful, almost glow with happiness, and get butterflies in my stomach.
Oh god, the ending is hilarious. I'm an INFP, but I have a bunch of NT friends, and I am *constantly* worrying about whether they like me or not. And in my head, I am as desperate as you two sound (no offense lol.)
And the lack of responses from NT people worries me......PLEASE JUST LOVE ME
I am an ENTP. I generally like NFs. I mean all my friends are NFs. The only thing that bugs me is that they always seem to think they understand what I am saying when they just really don't.
Personally, I love my NF friends because I feel like they can understand and care for my emotional side without needing to see it expressed all of the time which is something I can't get from any of the other three types. They are also fun to bounce ideas around with. I enjoy their passion and compassion for others.
My mom is an NT, and I am an INFJ. She does say things that hurt my feelings often and then I get angry/ hurt. Something intresting to me is that she has started to watch the Dog Whisperer on TV. For some reason she really understands this show and is even become instantly good with dogs. She says this show helps her understand people better and she is becoming more sensitive in her interactions with people. Can you tell me from a MBTI view why this show makes sense to her?
As an INTP, being around NF-types has helped me inadvertently develop my crippled feeling function, which in turn, balances and improves my weakest points. We need to step outside our “comfort functions” and explore dangerous territories to know ourselves to a greater degree.
Late to the party but glad I found you. I am trying to help my ENFP friend with her love life with (I think) an INTJ guy. I am NT, and she is saying I am helping her to understand him. Meanwhile, every once in a while she looks at me in abject horror and says 'I can't beeeleeeeeve you can see things like that! You would actually just (behavior x) merely because (event y) leads you to (conclusion z)??!!" It makes me realize that forgone conclusions are never that to the NF in matters of the hear
This discussion was so interesting that I watched it again. Just wanted to suggest the word "systematic" rather than "linear" to describe NT thought processes.
Intj with an a very good friend who is an infj. I admire his intelligence, and the "connection" we both have with our intuitive function. We both have an obsession with integrity, and judge people the same but for different reasons. As an NT I must admit I often find him unshakeably stubborn when confronted with logic he will not accept, so I tend to dismiss his arguements that are based on feelings rather than logic. So I consider him a "kinsman", but not akin to me. Excellent videos Mike
In my Life as an INTJ, I knew from a very young age that philosophizing was a strong part of my individual complete self. By 'philosophy' I mean as a way of approaching information and problem solving;testing things out and trying to absorb as opposed to control. It didn't take much time or learning to see that Life is messy and organic- illogical. I needed to develop my Fi and Se to become more successful at achieving practical real world results. (: I have relied upon F and S people a lot !
There is so much power in what it is you do. It is essentially the glue, the base, the essence of what defines an enviornment, and enviornment means everything, especially if you could define it. Everything has its place. It is the only true rational.
I'm an INTJ, and I really enjoy spending time with NFs. They get me, on some level, and don't harass me for being me. They can also make the intuitive leaps most people find difficult, which really makes them great as emotional mentors. I'm not proud of it, but sometimes I need a smack upside the head when I unintentionally and unknowingly offend somebody or hurt their feelings and good explanation of what happened and how to fix it.
I'd say im an INTP guy, and while on a trip back to my hometown I met a friend of mine who was an INFP who I haven't seen in years. I was glad to see him, but while he was shocked and enthusiastic I just had a slight forced smile. Later on in the conversation he said jokingly: "Wow, you're really emotional."
I think culture has a lot to do with how type is expressed. I thought for years that I was an NF until a solid argument was presented to me to the contrary. The fellow who set me straight was a clinical psychologist who came from my part of the country. He did a good job of describing how my rural upbringing with a strong emphasis on Fe had caused my perception of my type to be clouded.
I'm an ENFP with an INTP father and an ESFJ mother. I'm actually very close with both of them and enjoy our conversations. I notice both the NT and SJ temperaments in them, but they seem to be of the more mild variety (if they were an INTJ and an ESTJ our relationships would be much more difficult). Also, when the conversation isn't going so well I try to shift the discussion towards practical matters or problems. That usually does the trick.
Apparently I'm an INFJ, and my friend is an INTJ. We talk quite a bit, sometimes about really interesting things but even before this I've known her not to act the "emotional" type. And it's very hard to get stuff out of her I've found. We have some banter about our differences which is funny. She's also a good listener.
You and your partner both explained how you grew up in a specific dominant type of household that now makes sense in the mbti spectrum. In my case, due to my lack of raising, perhaps due to my Eastern and especially disconnected upbringing, have a rather checkered background, and has allowed me be able to not actively engage that defense or coping mechanism, which I believe is what you interpret as 'thinking they are better than' the NFs, and really are just playing to their strengths.
It's been tough for this NF in the south too. I've always felt like a fish out of water and I've lived in the southeast all my life. Most NTs and NFs I know are liberals and that's a big part of the problem I think since the south is sooooo conservative.
As an NT, I find the part about seeing the other Nx as a kin or mirror resonates. It seems most of my close friends are NFs, and I enjoy their humor and insight a lot. And absolutely love INFs.
I always enjoy the chance to talk with NFs. So long as there are no group hugs.
@Bremerxxxx I think it is great that you seek out others like NF's to help strengthen yourself. That is EXACTLY what I suggest doing in one of our other videos.
you guys are cool, your videos are awesome! I'm an INTP girl.
i like the NF's they are very undestanding of my nature and do not easily judge people at first meeting. optimistic and have a knack to elevate my mood.
my younger sister is an INFP, and we are pretty good friends.
hahaha, what dave said about NT being kids, is exactly what my mom said about me, and every NF friends I had. My ENFP friend, my ENFJ friend, etc etc.pverall, i love NF's, I also think they are easiest to engage with.
ENTP here. I love NFs and I definitely consider you equals. :) One thing I realized last night about Tertiary feeling is that... when we feel, ... ALL the feelings come out at one time. So when I turn empathy on, it's REALLY on. Whereas the NFs are better experienced with navigating all the 'shades' and colors of these feelings. So just know that some of our "coldness" comes from not wanting to sloppily spew out our feeling goo everywhere cause someone's going to have to clean it up.... ;)
how do NTs express themselves in romantic ways? what is their love style?
I can see a little bit that NTs seem to always act like they are always right -- I can especially see how an ENFP could think that way, but it seems a bit more variable with each individual type. I know INFJs with our Ni-Fe mix causes us to think we are always right as well to some extent. Now, with ENTPs I don't see that trend.
as an NT i definitely respect NF empathy
(This is my final comment after my rant, reply to the NT comment, and finishing the video) Perhaps I'm an INTJ, but it seems that when I was able to sink into this conscious thought of 'feeling', perhaps it was another youtuber, but I was able to truly enjoy the emotion that was bringing brought on. It seems that an NT has to try to emotionally adapt to your type, and perhaps your type has to adapt to the NT's logic, to truly create unity and ultiamt growth. The concept may apply universally.
I think the problem is that more often than not NF's will judge a person's integrity, commitment and application of the ideas and thoughts that they have. We value consistency in character. It's hard to dissociate a person with a bad attitude from their brilliant ideas for example. In other words, practice what you preach! :)
I'm an INTJ and i have a friend who is and ENFP and i really can relate to him he can tell some other views to the problem and he can give me some insights about someone. unlike for my SP and SJ friends makes me impulsive at times and disturbs my intuiting. But i can't actually find another NF cause most of the persons i know are SJ and SP
We don't, or at least I don't (INTJ), gain much pleasure from external affirmation, so the flipside to that is that I don't give it to other people as well. I don't give off the tells that people normally use to determine if they are being well received. If they seem curious about you, then they like you pretty much. I bet feelers feel like they are being interrogated when I express interest in them.
Your way of putting the disconnect between NF and NT feels very right. It can be frustrating for me to understand not-bound-by-any-box way of thinking because stuff NEEDS logic to work. But others don't feel that boundary. And there are things that haven't been explained by logic or science. But for me that's all a big "yet." And it's not like I can't see it in other ways at all, actually. It's that I have to go beyond myself and my own way of thinking to get to that irrational rationality -INTP
ENTP here. I have an ENFP brother and INFJ mother and you guys are awesome. NTs should also consider going to therapy more because counselors are very likely NF types. I have been able to open myself up honestly and while I'm not touchy feely if it's something that isn't rational but still bothers me it's always good to talk to an NF. NTs aren't unfeeling robots, they just have a bug in their amazing supercomputer brains that needs a patch or two by the thoughtful NF. Takes many types for the world to go around. I'm great at generating ideas but I'm fucking clueless in consoling people in the moment. Fix it and let's feel later. Hell I act because I feel but I can also logically piece together items objectively. I usually come at it from a pretty selfless perpective but I also think that I'd be a little less wholesome with values if I could also work in how I can make bank off of also being altruistic. You guys do it for the real good, we do it to see if we actually can pull it off.
Oh, let me tell you, as an ENTP, I most certainly feel the same way about you NFs--as my counterparts and fellow intuitives. ENTPs tend to be the most empathetic of all NTs, but you guys make empathy easy. Involuntary, sometimes. You create a safe space to feel, and that's the data that you feed back to our pattern-seeking Ne/Ti. Furthermore, I remember suffering much as a child at the hands of S peers who couldn't understand me. Never Ns. I feel the need to protect the whole clan, not just NTs.
We are all animals and respond similarly to similar stimuli (aggression, kindness, alpha behaviour etc. ). When it comes to dogs and humans, having evolved in such great proximity with each other we share a greater fidelity of responses than other animals. Now, in the show there is presented a logical framework to dealing with problems that are of a social nature centering on interactions between individuals. CONT. in another reply
Someone else wrote that quote. I don't see this as spam in any way. It illustrates a fundamental difference in perspective between the NT and NF.
Since discovering that I am an INTJ, I have found that some of my favourite interactions are (or have been) with ENFPs, particularly. The main problem, I think, is that Ne and Ni are not always good bedfellows: if I do not have the space to let my Ni do its work, I will get defensive and cranky. Ne seems to need to interact immediately and work it out together. I wish I was more like that sometimes.
I find it's a delicate process with NT's trying to help them understand that what they said hurt you. They will usually reject that. They do not intend to be malicious- it doesn't even occur to them.They'll often argue that your hurt feelings are irrational and want you to justify them. Don't try to! Our reactionary emotions as NF can be very irrational. It's best to admit that and ask the NT to allow us to be irrational until we can explain in very specific detail for them how/why we were hurt.
I'm an INTJ. It's been stated before but I think that NF's are probably the closest to equals and I enjoy their company when I meet them. I will say that sometimes their lack of responsive to logic due to a conflict their feelings does frustrate me but I can admire the F (in certain aspects).
And yes, I have watched several of your videos back to back but I find them quite interesting.
INTP here. In high school, I aced every test without doing any studying or homework. It worked out to 3.0 GPA. Then in college, I fixed my studying habits a little bit and got a 3.6 total GPA.
I'm INTJ and adore my ENFP boyfriend who brings fun and laughter into my plodding life. The trouble with NFs--I think--is there is a certain lack of self control.
@tbwdtw2 One thing I like to say about NT's (and this may come up in a future video) is that they are hard but not rigid. They are flexible. Meaning, NT's can change their mind if they are given a better reasoning or new evidence. It is not so much a conscious cognitive thought of being right as an unconscious attitude and assumption. But don't worry, I still love you.
Mike
You were surprised by the nt from Oklahoma, you might be more surprised to know that at least one nt lives in Kentucky.
I am even more surprised.
I've come to realize that, although I also have my preferences in peoples' types, I generally dont prefer a certain type. I have met very nice ESFP people, and very chaotic ESFP people. Just an example. Its the person,not the type,that determines whether ur gonna like them or not. My 2 cents.
Cheers guys,
an INFP comrade lol :p
My best friend is ENTP. (He probably has no idea lol). And yes, I can completely agree that NF would believe they understand when they don't.
One of the things that brings my ENTP friend and I close is that we understand each other.
i am entp with equal j. i think/know nf"s feel we nt's think about them.. if we do its fleeting, causes/creates confusion and leaves an emotional WTF. love you guys!
To sum it up, I once told an INFJ friend, "Wow! It's like you are smart like an INTJ, but you just think slower." ~friendly neighborhood INTJ ;)
I am an ENTJ, I believe. I would ask you to truly consider this. I believe that the majority of ENTJ, INTJ, and those of the like in which you have encountered have taken control of their strengths, perhaps that thinking and intuitive function, to their advantage, perhaps due to the environment that currently exists, or you could imagine, especially quite well I would assume in such a great and important position and calling you have as an educator.
That is very interesting. (Another INTP here!) I personally would respect such a person for their ideas (possibly even admire, depending on the level of brilliance), but never open up to them on a personal level, as I find inconsistency illogical and irritating (part of why I love MBTI is for its aid with 'prediction' factors). Someone acting inconsistently would make me distrustful and suspicious of them (mostly because I would feel threatened not knowing how I ought to act around them). xD
I am an INTP, but I guess I don't fit the stereotype of getting all my work in on time. I truly wish I had that part of the trait.
It's the same everywhere.
@tbwdtw2 Oh...I would know. I am really good at this. I can spot an NT a mile a way. It would be my hope to inspire you to the best of your NT greatness. However, I understand what you are saying precisely here because I was EXACTLY the same way in college...but I talked in class. I too was bored with the curriculum and how it was taught many times. I too was a slacker. You just haven't found yourself and your path yet. I hope you do.
Mike
My best friend in an INFJ. While she isn't particularly one for finding the information like me, She can keep up with (not to mention puts up with) my crazy obsessions. She often even offer some interesting insights as well. However she is quite emotional so sometimes I do have to actually pay attention to what I say to her and be careful I don't offend. All in all, I like you as a group but I prefer NTs just because I rarely offend them.
The INTJ in me now wishes to see your evidence: you cannot just make blanket assumptions about others' intellectual prowess. NTs and NF take a very different journey often to the same destination, but--at the end of the day--the NFs are likely to have more friends, and I envy them that!
INTJ
I do feel (a little) these days. I'm 40, and it's part of my natural development according to the theory.
I have dated 2 INFJ recently, and really liked them both. Not much 'chemistry', though. According to Keirsey, I should fall for ENFP. I definitely have been attracted to the one I knew about.
Personally, I think making objective decisions using F is disastrous. Short-sighted. But, an NF will at least be able to comprehend a perspective, even though they disagree. Unlike S.
@nfgeeks I AGREE! (although, I could do without most ENTJ's). Love the INTJ's (my best friend is one, my daughter is one), married an ENTP, and INTP are cool, too.
@magister343
Seeing multiple perspectives is more an Ne thing than an F thing. NTPs see things from many angles, and tend to be full of doubts instead of confidence. We do still insist that each perspective be justified on its merits; rather than feeling all perspectives could be right, we think of how they are likely all wrong, including our own position.
Instead of doing assignments NTPs often go off researching more interesting tangents. We can be smarter than NTJs but much less productive.
I think it's all about the subject matter; as long as we can keep it in the intellectual /theoretical realm, I would relish talking to *any* type and finding out their thoughts/knowledge... I think the problems arise when things venture into territory uncomfortable to NTs. I know I avoid a lot of (S)Fs for this reason; I just can't deal with mundane details and emotional stuff... and that's my problem, not theirs. =/
+ I am always worrying about hurting their feelings, which is very stressful.
Hi -- late the party, but enjoy your videos. INTJ here. A couple of quick (?) responses. WRT being right all the time -- it's not so much 'being right' in the sense that we can say what the answer is or what will happen with 100% certainty. Instead, it's more along the lines of 'given this set of facts and these assumptions, *this* is most likely the answer.' So, if we're wrong, it's because the facts changed or our assumptions didn't hold -- but the rationale was always 'right.'
I'm an INTP from Poland and I constantly feel like there is an INFP side in me. I enjoy INFP discussions more than my fellow NTs. I find it frustating too that I seem cold to other people. And it's not true we aren't sorry when we realize what went wrong in a conversation
Still, what a pain to constantly live in all that authenticity, constantly checking if you are really BEING you well enough. Who else would you be? Yet I know that you are the ones who really know what everything is all about. I know it deep down, but can't get myself to FEEL it deep down. I can't get my body convinced in its very fibers what life is for like you do. You just walk around living like that, while for me it is a bit of a mental exercise that is fun to do now and again but takes qu
I understand it, but when you put words like logic, I'm starting to believe it means a single 'line'(very descriptive) of thought, though good, is not rational in 360 degrees, that probably exists and could be thought of, even more so. It's more specific, but interesting when you think of it in context. If both feeling and thinking, and probably others, if within the context of high pressure situations, all optimally result in effective finality. Perhaps an explanation of their ult. equality?
I don't think you should put nearly as much stock into the temperaments as into the Jungian Cognitive Processes. The SP and SJ temperaments are defined by strong Se or Si, but the NF and NT temperaments include types with no functions in common. As an INTP, I have far more in common with an INFJ or INFP than an ENTJ.
INFJs are my favorite type, and the most likely for me to consider my equals. Fi is awfully hard to respect, making the FP types (regardless of the perceiving function) difficult
NTPs, with Ti, have a brand of "rational" empathy. ...What I feel/think about NFs, haha- I'm learning more about them from experience, and have a generally positive opinion. There are certain seemingly NF-ish activities that I haven't really understood yet (like tumblr) but I'm trying to become more open. Actually NFs are refreshingly easy to interact with, compared to having grown up arming myself against dealing with some pretty rough TJs, STs, female SFPs who I could never relate to... etc.
Somewhat agree. I don't see that there is a direct correlation between personality type and IQ level, BUT, if an NT and an NF of the same IQ were to go head to head then yes, I'd put my money on NT every time.
- also INTP.
@Bremerxxxx I love every NT I know...especially INTJ's. And let's be honest...they are WEIRDOS. Every one of them. But I cannot get enough of them. Some of my favorite human beings in the whole world are INTJ's.
Mike
Regarding your conjecture that NTs don't see NFs as being on "equal [intellectual] footing": I (an INTP) don't interact on an interpersonal level when I engage in a discussion. If a person's idea is critiqued, it is the idea and not the person that is being evaluated (NFs may see this differently and feel affronted by criticism). Also, I tend to place more value on my own ideas simply because they have already been processed. New ideas require close scrutiny before they can be integrated.
Ha! I just realized how much of an INFJ I'm being in all my comments- trying to help my fellow NF's understand those tricky (but truly marvelous, I think) NT relationships.
Let me assure you that NF's do care about what you say in terms of ideas. The issue may be one of personal connection, empathy, and relating. At least know that I always listen to what ideas NT's have, sometimes agreeing, sometimes not, but always trying to hear and process.
also, i for one would rather hear this sort of stuff from an NF as it's about people, and NTs know what we don't know. people and feelings don't make sense to us. that's why we don't talk in those terms, we would like to pretend that feelings are irrelevant . but talk to us about things where feelings really are irrelevant like science and we do know we're right : )
as an INTP, i like to talk about ideas. so NFs can be good company
you're probably right about us not seeing you as equal, at least intellectually. however, we put you above the S functions.
to me S means small, as in small people talking about small things.
@magister343
It is well established that competence and confidence tend to be inversely related, at least when it comes to intellectual fields. A little bit of knowledge inspires confidence while a lot destroys it. The better one understands a subject, the more one realizes there is left to understand. True expertise entails attaining the metacognitive skills to recognize one's own shortfalls. Unfortunately, humans seem to be programmed to place greater trust in those who act confident.
"They do their homework", uhmm... not this NT, I hate homework, mostly because I find it useless. Projects on the other hand, I love, as long as you don't ask to evaluate my process, in which case we've run into another road block.
I think an INTP started that stereotype because the INTP's I know do not get their work in on time. I think I meant INTJ's with that.
I burst out laughing at the "lack of empathy" part.
A couple of my best friends are NFs. I provide nearly no empathy, but they know I won't so they're cool with it. I only ever provide logical views as "comfort." (I kind of have MBTI / Jungian functions to thank for this :D)
And yes, I agree - the Intuitive function really causes us to naturally see each others views, but I admit, i am very biased to view T > F. Sorry! (I'm an INTP)
NFs are okay. Generally the easiest to talk too (besides other NTs, but they don't tend to be that sociable). Nothing wrong with sensors, but sometimes it's just like we come from different planets. The only person that truly easily follows my train of thought is an INTP friend. Not much of a problem though, I'm an INTJ and we generally don't feel the need to socialise that much (weird is an understatement when describing INTJs btw).
There's an Fe/Fi tension with INFJs. If you are open and honest about everything, then it can work, but I had some issues with my last gf who was an INFJ. ENFPs are the shit. I might stick with NTs for SOs now though, except I might consider an ENFP probably.
As an INTJ I find that NFs believe that they are so empathetic that they automatically understand everyone's point of view, which is similar to how NTs assume they are right. However, the NF may not accept their point of view if it doesn't follow their line of logic (or feeling I should say). It may take more empathy than they have to really comprehend and accept that NTs just don't experience empathy like they do and that they have made a decision by looking at the world and considering the consequences of that decision from an entirely different but equally valid standpoint.
INTPs can be very playful, serious though too sometimes. The play part might come from the P.
@tbwdtw2 YES...I know that. I want you to know that there is an NF that knows you and your NT family are not purposefully trying to hurt us. Often, it is not even on your radar at all. I completely accept your statement and believe that NT's are not purposefully trying to hurt us...usually. ;-)
Mike
INTJ here again -- with regard to your point about the NTs' smug superiority, I agree that to normal people it comes across that way. But the NTs really have no concept of F. In fact, when I first looked into MBTI, I was surprised to see that there was the T-F spectrum. I just always assumed everybody is a T. So, it's not so much as feeling (thinking?) we're superior. Rather, it's because few of us have any concept of an F trait, let alone how to interact with it.
I often hypothesize that NT language is more reductionist and algorithmic while NF language leans toward being holistic and heuristic.
Haha, I love NF's :) The feeling is mutual. However, it's not necessarily true that we NT's don't show emotion. As an ENTP, my Fe is quite well-developed and my Dominant Ne can even make me seem like an ENFP. We're not all cold, robotic beings ;)
I did not feel any impoliteness at all. Quite the opposite. In fact, I found your observations intuitive and insightful. I think it runs parallel to the idea I have been stating which is that NF is a language understood by other NF's but needs some translating beyond that. I feel the same way with NT's. I can follow along and even speak it a little, but I cannot fluidly communicate in it like you guys. I think you hit upon something here that is relevant. No offense taken...in fact, good job!
NTs are admiring for their pursuit of truth.However, as an INFP and as a sensitive person, I get overly sensitive from time to time when we are on an argument or discussion and I take what they say personally when in fact, they were only saying the truth.
Their needlessness to display emotions on normal situations is fascinating. But of course they too are human and every NT has a little bit of F in them and so when they do display emotions, it makes it that much more special... For me anyway.
CONT.
This is exactly what NTs do not understand the same way as NFs but when presented with a problem AND a logical framework in witch to ground our thinking, we seldom go wrong.
TL;DR. We are all animals, the show presents a logical framework of the social relationships of animals.
INTJ female from Syria
LOL! That's what I am. I've heard people discussing on online boards they have trouble discerning between an INTJ personality and autism...guess that speaks to your "weirdo" comment. :P
I've sometimes gotten tests saying I'm ISTJ as well, doesn't sound as accurate to me though... someone once told me this is also very unusual? That NT and SJ types tend to almost never overlap? lol I never heard that anywhere else, so whether the strong S-tendencies make me more or less a weirdo, I'm not sure.
No CORNER left unturned!!?!!?? WHAT IS THIS!?
P.S. Well played good sir, well played
I see...well, then bring it on and let's see who is intellectually superior. Challenge accepted.