Thor in Infinity War was the perfect mix in my opinion. He was funny but also serious. It's like Freddy in Dream Warriors, still scary but nailing the one-liners. Perfect mix!
I completely agree! He was likable and funny but also brave, heroic, and mature. That also made him feel more relatable imo. I feel like there is a certain level of seriousness and maturity that comes with heroism and for me when characters cross that line they tend to feel a bit empty and uninspiring.
Loved Gorr, wish that we got more to him. More God killings would've been good, more screentime, and i wish the movie was darker so it could match Gorr's vibe. When I saw the first trailer, my main concern was that the movie wouldn't be able to find its footing. And I was very right. It was very goofy and fun one moment, then next thing we have Gorr being all serious and creepy. Then again we have goofy stuff. Right back to Gorr walking through the darkness. It jumped back and forth from goofy to serious. Overall thought it was good and entertaining, definitely nowhere close to the best MCU movie like some people claim it to be.
Can agree on the Disney+ part, and Dr. Strange was also a trainwreck. This Thor movie somehow felt okay to me... despite dialing up the comedy it was way more consistent and less cringe than Ragnarok, or some aspects of Endgame.
I dug this film, jane was finally saved and did something not just a damsel in distress. Gorr felt like he was in a different film. Zeus was stabbed way too quick. I like the mioljnir and stormbreaker jealousy story! 7.5/10!!
I would love to see a ranking of MCU movies solely based on just the movies themselves without any consideration to how they relate to how they connect to the rest of the universe. I think when watching this movie as a stand-alone film, it fares much better than when you focus on how plot conveniences here could’ve been used in past movies.
I think he’s absolutely entitled to view it in the way it does, I just feel like focusing on how plot devices here (giving people the power of thor / mjolnir reassembling to save Jane) could’ve affected past movies takes away from those moments in this movie itself
@@everettadkins3530 to me it just needed a bit more elaboration, but works perfectly fine with headcanon. As with this kind of world breaking implications I don't only think on what it breaks, but what unstated rules can be there to still make it work. And it's only bad if I can't make up my answer from the mechanics of the world already demonstrated. On this scenario it goes like: Mjolnir's enchantment like this is a callback to Odin doing this in the first Thor movie, so there is a precedent to be able to do this. Maybe it needed to be post-Ragnarok with Odin passing away and Thor inheriting the role of the Asgardian All-Farher. And in the high-stakes finale of the Infinity Saga he didn't have the headspace and the calm to manifest these powers. And only after realizing it worked with Mjolnir and Jane on a fluke, can he somewhat control it at use this power with the kids. Zeus's lightning being there as the weapon another pantheon's All-Father and also lightning-based could also be a catalyst.
I really liked it. However about the kids having the power that’s only because Thor has Zeus’s lighting bolt. That’s why the kids lighting is all yellow and not blue like Thors & Jane’s
Didn’t think about that but really good explanation that they will use as why he can’t give ppl power in later films - I don’t remember if he kept the bolt but I’m sure if he did then Zeus will want it back in the next film
Definitely agree this movie had so much potential to be a great MCU movie instead just made for jokes literally. I hope they realize this, and start taking their movies with more of a serious tone. The joke filled superhero movies market IMO has worn off.
Honestly MoM felt way more like a joke than this film did. Having jokes and treating characters like jokes are two completely different things. MoM treated characters as jokes wheras Thor Love and Thunder just had jokes in the film. This film is the most badass that weve seen Thor. The jokes only help make him feel like a more realistic character instead of like the first two Thors where they treated him like a plot device moreso than the character
I think it’s a legit way to show depression. I actually relate because when I’m going through a harder whether its grief or stress I usually play it off with jokes and I act more air headed than usual. Jokes are the tears of a clown. Its a continuation of the Endgame plot with him finding his place in his world. They never closed it out in Endgame. I do think it was too silly at moments. Like the dumpling and the split. Thor was serious at the end of the movie.
@hxzsh that’s just your opinion dude. Not a fact, just like this is our opinion. Everyone processes depression in different ways. Saying a simple “no” does not make our way of dealing with depression invalid.
But they don’t show you this is a way to cope with his depression. If it showed you Thor smiling through the pain or something then maybe so but they never do
@@froggyblades6985 they do show it in endgame when Thor and Rocket are in the past and Thor keeps breaking down, but when his mom confronts him she asks if he’s fine and he keeps trying to joke and act like she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Even when Hulk and Rocket come to Thor’s to try and get him to join the team back he’s making Jokes and when Rocket mentions Thanos thor breaks down while he’s trying to avoid the topic with jokes.
I agree with you completely about Phase 4 being mostly a letdown. While each show or movie had its moments, they don't seem to be building up anything or leading anywhere. They keep introducing and teasing more and more characters at the end of everything which just means there is more to keep up with. I'm afraid that if there isn't an overall "point" or "direction" of all these new characters, the MCU will eventually just implode on itself.
@@nathanielfarkas4431 I also find it interesting that WandaVision was an 8 hour intro to Dr. Strange 2 which pretty much made the ending of that show and the lessons Wanda learned kinda pointless.
I like the way Jane got her powers, Thor has control over mjolnirs magic so him asking the power to protect her is perfectly fine, I’m curious what other options there would even be Did Thor ever go back to earth before getting stormbreaker? Once he had it he never needed to put it back together Also what’s wrong with the whisper - u do remember that that’s how Odin gave it powers
Yeah, also took it as a callback to Odin's original enchantment on Mjolnir. Still would've loved more elaboration. To me it also has an aspect this being post-Ragnarok, and thus after Odin's death Thor inheriting the role of the Asgardian all father, but in the high-stakea chaos of the Infinity saga finale he did not have the time and headspace to realize these powers. Having Zeus's lightning, the weapon of another pantheon's all father may also act as a catalyst to do this more effectively. That's why it's accidental and activating on a large delay with Jane, and more instant and controlled with the kids. No he did not, right after Ragnarok and leaving Asgard to fall with Hela, Thanos attacked their refugee ship as of Ragnarok post-credit/ Infinity War cold open, and Thor only arrives in Wakanda after forging Stormbreaker.
I really liked the movie, I loved Christian bale as the villain, I do wish he had a little more screen time. I also really enjoyed jane and Val’s relationship. I thought stormbreakers jealousy was very enjoyable. All in all I would give it a 7.5/10
Since Ragnarok I have treated Thor as a comedy. MCU like to talk about genre films. For me Thor is a comedy, I was not expecting Infinity War. I get where you are coming from there was alot of serious things, but when thor discovered Jane had cancer he toned down. I dunno, I went in expecting a comedy and I loved it.
I also went in expecting a comedy and still didn’t like it. Sometimes it doesn’t matter your expectations walking in the movies, some are for you and some are not 🤷♂️
I remember the moment I saw Thor jump on stormbreaker and ride it like a broomstick I took a deep breath as I realized what I had just signed up for. Then when Axel's head started floating I had the exact same thought about the movie feeling like a parody. The image of his head just looked so unbelievably ridiculous to me that I couldn't believe it was in a real MCU film. It looked like a RUclips sketch. In my opinion the best scene in the entire movie is when the main characters get their mouths shut and Christian Bale gets to do his thing. No more jokes, just a genuinely cool and scary villain showing off.
"Quantity over Quality" is exactly how I would define Phase 4, took the words right out of my mouth, great video Shaun! Hang in there, hopefully they will make us feel the MCU magic again in the near future.
I thought the action was soooo good but it needed to take itself more seriously. I think especially since this movie takes place after Thor’s experiences with thanos in infinity war and endgame, the overall tone shouldn’t have been as light and goofy, and could’ve been a more serious, introspective conclusion to the Thor franchise after the fact. Overall it comes in middle ground for me but I definitely preferred it to multiverse of madness.
I think i prefered this movie over Multiverse of Madness cuz of some things bother me. To you it may be no big things butbfor me matters. Like that ocult feeling. Thor movie was fun, beautiful but rly do a proper movie not to joke about it
This movie was great, it's really funny every time Thor talks to stormbreaker he has to tell storm breaker why it shouldn't be jealous of mulnjer, Gorr had a really interesting arc and Thor's choice to spend his final moments with Jane and convincing Gorr to wish his daughter back to life instead of trying to kill him really reflects the love theme, and Gorr understands what Jane is going through since they were both dying which gives him more depth because he can relate to the heroes.
Honestly I believe the whole hammer thing since Odin was able to impose him own rule onto the hammer it would make sense for Thor to be able to do so as well. Plus it further expresses his love for Jane
Should I point out this plot hole? Korg talks about his two dads at one point in the film. Even though in Ragnarok he says “the only people who signed up for my revolution was my mom and her boyfriend who I hate”. Either this is a plot hole, or there’s some convoluted backstory as to how this all adds up. Now that I think of it, a Korg solo movie would be beautiful.
@@archer5834 anyone that disagrees can go back and watch ragnarok because this is true and it’s just a cheap way for Taika Watiti to make this movie “super gay”🤢
I saw it Thursday night with low expectations due to reviews and such, but I surprisingly enjoyed it. The story could have been executed far better (and it did go too far at times) but it provided enough entertainment for me to consider it the third-best movie in Phase 4 so far.
I fully agree with you on the future of the MCU. I was a huge marvel fan a few years back. Now nothing really exites me anymore. The only time they pulled that of was with no way home in phase 4. The quantity over quality is a huge issue right now for the MCU. Honestly i'm also really worried same as you
I fully agree with everything you said man. I look at everything that’s coming and I just can’t get myself hyped. I’m done with it. I already have 20 something amazing films that follow an overarching narrative
This movie was an over the top fun loving comedy. I get that some people are annoyed that it was too much but going into this you had to expect a romantic comedy with a messy plot line mixed in with some serious tense moments. I understand the quantity over quality debate but you have nothing to do but hope the MCU figures this all out.
Quantity over quality is basically how to explain phase 4 in three worlds. It definitely doesn’t help that Marvel and Lucasfilm are limiting most of the live action shows to 6 episodes per season
Me and my friends really loved this movie probably because we knew it was super campy and goofy beforehand. I do feel like Gorr was put in the wrong movie, but I did really love his character. Most jokes landed for me at least and I loved Thors arc in this. I’d give it like an 8/10.
I think that Thor being able to grant the power to the children could be plausible, if the bolt is as powerful as it is stated, I think it could grant power to other beings. I also think it makes sense for him to go after the bolt only now. In the first Thor he was on the clock to get back to Asgard, in the first Avengers he was trying to find Loki, in Dark World he was on the clock to get back to Earth because Malekith was already there, in Age of Ultron he was busy helping the team find Ultron, in Ragnarok he barely made it to Asgard in time before Hela took over, in Infinity War, he only was interested in creating a Thanos killing axe, and in Endgame was was a lazy mf. He only went after the sword now because it was a matter only concerning gods, and he wanted help and to bring awareness to Omnipotent City. Now as to why Thor didn’t go after Eternity in Endgame, he didn’t know that you needed Bifrost to access the zone Eternity was in. Thanos could have known, but he didn’t want to mess with Odin who contained the key to Bifrost by protecting Asgard, and once Odin and Asgard were out of the picture, only then did he go for the space stone, attack the Asgardians while they were weak. I don’t really think the movie had any awfully confusing plot holes other than a couple of verbal continuity errors, but those aren’t big enough to complain about.
And then with the matter of the hammer being able to grant the wielder Thor's powers, Odin, in Thor 1 enchants the hammer so that that the being who wields it shall have the powers of Thor. The only real plot hole I can see that Sean explained is that the hammer is now able to put itself back together.
@@beydname6159 That's actually not a problem either. If Hela only broke the hammer but not the magic within, then the hammer continued to work the whole time, but Thor thought it broke and so didn't call him again.
Listening to the Eternity concern: since when does everyone know everything about everywhere? Just cause it existed doesn’t mean Thanos knew about it. Do you know everything that exists in the universe? Regarding the child: wasn’t his journey in this movie that he realized he wants someone in his life to care about?
I just got out of it less then an hour ago. I really enjoyed it. I was disappointed with aspects of it but Christian Bale was great and it was hilarious
i agree with everything you said from Jane getting her powers being ridiculous to Thor being a goofball and the comedy being dialed up to 10 trillion. I too am worried for the future of the MCU
Overall i found this movie to be a massive disappointment. It was too short, resulting in many underdeveloped plotlines and Gorr was also quite disappointing as we got too little of him and didn't see enough of him butchering gods. The humor was incredibly hit or miss for me as well, and ultimately this movie did not live up to my expectations. I'd say it's a 5.5/10
My biggest problem is the movie doesn't utilize its topics seriously. It treats the problem of evil and the problem of time as ways to write jokes about. Those subjects shouldn't be treated lightly. This movie needed a different writer and director. Like Matt Reeves or even Zack Snyder.
I loved this film. I think no matter your opinions on Jane Foster you will enjoy this film. For people that aren't big fans of the character such as myself we are happy to see her go (I know that is a bad thing to say given how she died) and for people that are fans of the character you will be happy to see her fighting as thor
I feel like im kinda lucky in a sense that im basically the embodiment of the target audience they're making movies for now. Loki, MoM, Moon Knight, NWH, L&T, Shang Chi, Black Widow, TFaTWS, Eternals, all of them have been some of my favorite movies/shows in recent memory. All but Eternals id rank in the top quarter of the entire MCU. L&T is easily my favorite Thor movie, just watched it last night and even tho it was a shitty cam recording, i may watch again today. may have helped that i was stoned af, but all of Taika's humor hit home with me. the Goats were one of my biggest laughs throughout the movie, i almost cried when Jane died and then Thor went full dad mode, then they said they called them Love & Thunder and the waterworks started. Russell Crowe was a phenomenal Zues and im super excited to see him as the big bad of Thor 5, and Hercules looks cool af, despite him being bad CGI for some reason. Gorr is the best Thor Villain imo, and one of the MCU's best villains period (Loki isnt a true villain so i dont count him as one), and Christian Bale really nailed it imo. and it had some of the most visually stunning filmography ive ever seen, the scene in black and white was so damn good. A big thing for me is that Thor works so much better as a clueless, slightly insecure god with a heart of gold than his comic version of a stoic confident god. if im being completely honest, Thor 1 & 2 werent great less because of writing and more because they took the character too seriously. The stories in those two were fine imo, but thor was acting like a stoic God. every character needs some major weakness to offset their strenghts, Thor more than most because of him literally being a god. the cluelessness of his character and his insecurity is perfect for that imo. and he's basically been going through a midlife crisis since Loki's betrayal in the first film, and since asgardians live thousands of years, it would make sense to me that he keeps having to find himself again because his old ways keep seeping back into his actions due to millennia of learned behavior. you know the saying "rome wasnt built in a day"? well in thors case he has to tear down an entire planets worth of pre-existing foundations before he can even BEGIN to construct his "rome", shit like that takes time. Plus the events of Ragnarok happened before his people were massacred as he watched helplessly and he personally felt responsible for Thanos' winning in Infinity War, a Trauma like that would have set him back considerably in his path of self discovery. he would have doubted himself and gone back to what he deems as familiar to a degree. They're doing female versions to prep for A-Force id assume. outside of Widow, Wasp, Marvel, Wanda, & Gamora, they didnt really build many female heroes up in the infinity saga. and half of those are dead or "reset", so they needed more. not like they're just inventing characters or anything lol, these are all out of the comics, albeit with some changes in some cases. My new MCU top three are MoM, NWH, & L&T. Honorable mentions go out to my Pre-December top three of Infinity War, Moon Knight, & Loki.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I agree that at times it was overly silly, but I felt like most of the jokes landed. The Negative realm fight was the best part I think, it was also cool the way Gorr grabbed storm breaker
I really liked the movie but there is some moments that went to far for me in terms of ridiculous comedy and I was not the biggest fan of the finale, still I'm gonna rewatch in theaters again and probably enjoy again.
I give this a 7.5 out of ten it was a fun and a really good laugh. This is a mid tier MSU movie. I did think it went a little out of hand at times and Gorr is a top 10 villain in my opinion.
I personally really enjoyed the film, yeah it has its weak moments and plot conveniences but overall I felt they showed Thor’s depression really well, the use of comedy to mask it actually works in my opinion, as that feels kind of realistic and truthful to how people deal with things in general. Thor’s relationship with Jane was most definitely the best part of the film, Jane’s character was improved massively and her death left major impact and even caught me by surprise, they handled the climax of the film really well too, glad they didn’t undermine it with comedy which I felt was the biggest issue with Ragnarok despite how much I enjoyed it. Gorr was great too, one of the more interesting villains we’ve had in a while, Christian Bale delivered an incredible performance. My only gripe is that I think he could have benefitted from having a couple more scenes, one of him killing more Gods might have shown him to be a a greater threat, also would’ve been nice to see Christian Bale let loose a bit more in the role I’d give the film a solid 8/10 by marvel standards, I definitely enjoyed it more than most of what we’ve gotten in phase 4 however it has its shortcomings
To be fair, Steve also got the power of Thor because of Odin whispering to a hammer. So... It’s not super far fetched. Anf as this movie kind of implied, Mjolnir and Stormbreaker have some level of sentience. So again... Not super hard to grasp that Mjolnir would pick Jane not only because she's worthy (she's also what made Thor worthy), but it was keeping its promise to Thor. Edit: Why was Thor able to give all these kids the power of Thor? I don't know, maybe it's because he is Thor? Kind of a dumb question, honestly. I mean once again, Captain America gained the powers of Thor because of ODIN. And if Odin can grant people Thor's powers, then so can Thor himself. Edit 2: Thor can give other people his powers, and Mjolnir can give people the power of Thor. *None of this has been established.* Here is a line from the first film. Odin: And whomsoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor. Then, in Endgame, Captain America wields the hammer... With the POWERS OF THOR. I feel like you're being disingenuous now. Edit 3: When I saw Zeus in the trailers, I was actually wanting to see Hercules at some point. Him and Thor put against each other could be pretty fucking sick.
Thank you for pointing out they are just doing girl versions of all the other original characters I thought I was the only one who noticed and I was losing my mind. You hit the nail on the head when you talked about that trope being lazy writing even though it was technically "in the comics". I hope that the recent movies are not the direction the MCU is heading because I feel like they are consistently sacrificing writing for spectacle. I feel like what made the first 3 phases so great was that the writing and characters where handled with so much care and I feel like they don't even care anymore.
Felt like it wasn’t the best mcu movie but definitely top 12 at least. Loved to see the characters again and thought it was great for them to show how Thor was handling things after endgame and how he finally got through the depression by the end of the movie when he adopts Love. He finally has family again after losing so many. Action was great, Gorr was great, Jane as Mighty Thor was great, Korg was awesome, some jokes were a little cringe and weird but most of them landed for me.
I totally agree with you on all your talking points. I have this movie very low in my Rankings. The only thing I would disagree with you on is the Thor gaining the ability to enchant the hammer. When Odin passed away, Thor gained the Odinforce which leveled him up. This is why he could go toe to toe with Zeus. Odín enchanted the hammer in the exact same way in the first movie. So Thor should have the ability to enchant the hammer. Now I do agree with you that HOW they did it which is silly AF. And him passing his powers to the children is totally lazy and inconsistent.
I think Taika kind of treated this project more like a painting than a movie. You can easily get the sense of each visual theme and tone as if they take up predetermined space on a canvas. Like Gorr himself is surrounded by the bleeding out of color. each set had such distinct variety and bursted with color and detail. You’ve got to sort of watch it like the speed racer movie, and not an mcu film. Also the cg was noticeably below standard.
I thought it was pretty good as someone who is luke-warm on Ragnarok, felt it was slightly better while mostly being the same sort of deal. Would just say I preferred it because it went to multiple locations and definitly mainly because of Natalie Portman. You're 100% right about Bale being great but not in it nearly enough and tonally didn't fit into the movie. Felt like a 2nd Phase MCU movie in a way that it had very little consequences, not much changed in the grand scheme of things start to finish. I think this is sort of because Chris Hemsworth Thor has been around for over 10 years now and has gone through so much of an arc already that there's not that much left to do. Entertaining yes, needed to happen, nah.
Although, personally...I really love this movie, I can definitely understand your points of view, Sean. Like you said, the God Butcher villain didn't make sense for a film that was going to focus so much on slap stick and over the top humor. It's like in Wonder Woman 1984. You have Barbara Minerva become the Cheetah...ONLY to have Diana NOT fight her the final batttle?? And why have Diana put on sacred battle armor if she had NO INTENTION OF BATTLING?? And like Wonder Woman 1984, I can see what the writers and director were trying to do with the character and I really appreciate it. But it doesn't work. I agree...THOR Love and Thunder makes Thor a blonde muscle bound buffoon, and secondary in his own movie.
Thor can give the kids his power due to zeus's lighting bolt. Its very clear in the movie. The kids's power color is yellow like zeus and thor talks onto the lighting bolt. If u watch it again its very clear.
though I know this film is not perfect, for me it was a very good time!!! the heavy comedic presence worked imo because of how dark some of the latest MCU entries have been (MOM, Eternals), and right now with the state of the world I just wanted something fun that I could watch and laugh my ass off to lol. seeing thor and the GOTG, for a bit of time at least, was awesome and the romantic scenes between Jane and thor (also Gorr and his kid) were shot beautifully imo. again, I completely understand how many may not love this movie, but for me it worked and was one of my fav Marvel additions of this year.
The whole eternity thing not being used in the past is that, you need Bifrost to get there, asgard is gone, and Thor didn't knew it until Zeus said it.
Positives: - The double down on the wackiness, comedy, and colorful action of Ragnarok works and is massively entertaining and hilarious. - Every character is engaging and fun to watch, with Thor, Gorr, and Jane’s return being standouts. - Rarely if ever undercuts dramatic moments with humor, leaving serious moments to be enjoyed more. - Feels like an appropriate continuation of where these characters have came from and are going, leaving the story to be on cruise control for the better. Negatives: - Has numerous plot points that give very short explanations that technically “work”, but leave a lot to be desired. - To the last point, the movie desperately craves an extra 15-20 minutes of runtime to more fully flesh out plot lines and characters, especially Gorr and Valkyrie. - Humor is overall entertaining but can sometimes get a little too zany and repetitive. 8/10, arguably the MCU’s best non-Spider-Man film since Endgame.
The movie was good. It has the classic mcu action,the CGI were amazing and i liked the humor because i don't want to watch a serious thor movie like dark world again
Completely on the same page as you when it comes to your worries and your feeling of superhero fatigue. I think this franchise worked so well for so many years before because each project felt SPECIAL. We had a break usually of around 4-5 months between each Movie to allow us time to reflect on it and look forward to the next and build up our excitement and theories. The MCU NEEDS to be absent from our lives for a period of time for it to fully hit when its present again. Now, so much is getting rammed down our throat constantly between the shows and movies, burnout is inevitable. I honestly fear that the Disney Plus shows and having them connect so heavily to the main MCU could be the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise, and it all just feels like Disney ordering Marvel to create content so they can get easy subscriptions - even if the creative magic isn’t there for that content. Its stretching the studios creative resources thin and also means that Feige cannot be there to oversee it all, and it CANNOT be understated how big a problem that is as he is the mastermind that made this be as successful as it is in the first place. If Marvel wants to do Television properly and respectfully, I think they should have followed the Netflix era model - produce quality lengthy seasons and keep them in universe, but DON’T try so hard to tie them so closely to the Movies, and have a different creative team involved with Feige focusing solely on the Movies. Keep these shows exclusively for low street level stories and with no world ending stakes. That way, they are not essential viewing for the casual audience, and Movies will still feel like a special event and will feel more like the studio poured their heart and soul into them.
1. #GoSupportLoveAndThunder 2. I genuinely enjoyed watching this movie. Yes, Ragnarok is better, but I still enjoyed it for what it was. Would definitely watch again. 3. I guess, for me, I'm easily entertained when it comes to the MCU, especially Phase 4. Again, regarding Phase 4 and future projects, I'm at the point where I'm going to appreciate what I'm getting from the MCU. Why? Because, I guess I'm preparing myself for when the MCU truly ends. I want to be there when it happens, not abandon ship due to feeling "burned out" or fulfilled by Endgame. Yes, I understand it's illogical to think that way, but that's my feeling on it. 4. Yes, I feel like the MCU is currently directionless. But, I think it's for a reason, with that being that something is coming down the line, and we have to be prepared for what's coming instead of crapping on it for "having nothing". 5. (6:08-39:20) *SPOILERS FOR THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER*
This movie was an over the top fun loving comedy. I get that some people are annoyed that it was too much but going into this you had to expect a romantic comedy with a messy plot line mixed in with some serious tense moments. I understand the quantity over quality debate but you have nothing to do but hope the MCU figures this all out.
from what I've gathered about zeus is that he was that way on purpose its mentioned that nobody believes in gods anymore and have been completely forgotten and replaced by superheroes, so he got lazy and its why he was like that in the movie and in his next appearance i think he'll be a threat in the future maybe there's a battle of the gods arc in the story they'll adapt where he'll be the main vaillain
Very thoughtful explanation of what works and what doesn’t Sean and I 100% agree with them all. To me this film should have been a Trilogy. Part 1 is a joke filed space adventure alongside the Guardians of the Galaxy until it takes a dark turn at the end when Thor hears about Gor and the threat he poses. Part two is a running battle across the universe between the two where we actually SEE the Gods being destroyed and the negative effect on worlds and cultures, perhaps finishing with Mighty Thor arriving ready for the team-up movie in part three where Thor has to accept (as Captain America told Wanda in Civil War “Sometimes you can’t save everyone”. Gor finds the wish stone but by then has seen Thor fight to save worlds and protect everyone, even when it means he will lose Jane. That makes Gor plead ask for his daughter back and to, once again, trust in Gods and ask for Thor to product his daughter. Thor realises he doesn’t want glory or war, but someone to love and need him which is exactly what this frightened little girl represents. Perhaps the end credit would include an indication - unseen by Thor - that the girl had dark powers and we wonder if she will turn to evil as she grows up. Just my five cents worth!
I feel like with phase 4, marvel has said "ok here’s what all the characters from before are up to, ok here’s some new characters and what they’re gonna do, ok here’s how the universe is expanding, cool cool see you in phase 5 for the BIG STUFF". They clearly have ambition, and I’m sure this is leading to something grand and massive, but to do that, they clearly feel the need to quickly establish what’s happening before we get into our next exciting saga. And when I say quickly, I mean they spend a few years rushing out project after project to keep viewers' attention (and covid certainly hindered that even more). And the fact that they barely connect with each-other universe wise, combined the obvious amount of cuts that have had to be made to keep the train moving, means that everything is just not that interesting anymore. I really like most of these projects individually, but without an Avengers-style central hook to keep things flowing, they’re nice but not exciting like the Infinity Saga was. Ah well. They’re announcing what the big saga will be very soon, so maybe that’ll keep the hype going
You're right in saying Gorr's motivation opens up an interesting philosophical question that just wasn't ultimately explored. I feel like Zeus was played off as a joke to further illustrate the point of gods being so indifferent even to the people who worship them (like the god Gorr murders at the beginning).
I definitely enjoyed this movie, my theater was cracking up. But it was totally inconsistent. I would have loved a rom com movie and a Gorr-focused essentially horror movie separate from one another. It was inconsistent in that regard and a lot of the characters weren’t fleshed out a whole lot
I don’t mind Thor’s new ability to give people the power of Thor HOWEVER, I do think a scene in the beginning where Thor somehow learns of this ability is necessary (like maybe at some point Thor gets a vision of Odin who teaches him of this power, or maybe Jane had read about it and tells Thor of it) That way the audience knows of it and the ability doesn’t seem convenient in the third act
I don’t understand the discourse over Mighty Thor gaining her powers. Would you rather we just find out all these people were worthy and could have helped out during IW? It makes more sense to me that Mjolnir was additionally enchanted
I don't understand the complaint about Jane getting her powers from Thor Whispering to the hammer, It literally happened in the first Thor with Odin, like that was one of the few things that worked in this movie
I loved this movie, but I do wish it were a bit more serious. It’s looking like we’re gonna get a Thor 5 in the future(directed by Taika I assume) hopefully he takes some of the criticism from this movie and finds that good balance of comedy and seriousness that Ragnarok had again.
I think Thor LAT, 2nd best Thor in the Thor films...It was a good follow up to Ragnarok...The comedy was great, and probably more than Ragnarok, which is not a bad thing...Bale was amazing in this movie, Portman, Crowe, Pratt, all acted their parts out good....There also was emotional weight to the story...Every Thor movie, specifically part 1 has had a parody or play making fun of Thor in it...It still works here...I give it a A, was there a plothole to Lady Thors powers maybe a lil....Hopefully we get the deleted scenes in the dvd or blu ray release....I felt like it was a feel good movie...One of the best looking superhero movies ever made...I liked it...See it.
Would you rather get Thor from his first 2 films or these last 2? Think we start to get spoiled and not realize how far we’ve come. Could’ve used more Gorr but overall it was a very good movie that’s easily re watchable and entertaining.
I watched for the jokes and color so I enjoyed the movie. Gorr was hands down one of the best villains in the MCU Top 5 I'd say. But I would say Jane in the comics became The Mighty Thor because cancer was killing her. Also I believe Phase 4 only has Hawkeye, Spider-Man No Way Home, and Shang-Chi carrying it.
i get a lot of your complaints, but i want to talk about your opinion on jane getting the hanmer. i do agree that it is an extremely lazy way to give her powers, no disagreement there. however it does make sense in the how. we know now that thor talks to his weapons as if they're his friends, so it makes sense that he would ask mjolnir of that in a casual conversation, i dont think he enchanted it on purpose, but that's definitely what happened. and we as the audience have technically known that you can change the fundamentals of the hammer just by talking to it. Odin did in the first thor movie, the only difference was that odin was a lot more shakespeareian about it. and yes that would have been useful in the other movies, but how would thor know thats all it takes to change the rules of the hammer?
My exact thought when he complained about that. Thor was just talking. He wasn't intentionally placing an enchantment. That seemed clear based on how he didn't really understand right away when Jane came back and she explained how the hammer called to her.
I really loved this movie… in my opinion it is a top 5 if not top 3 marvel movie ever, Gorr was amazing, I loved the welcome to the jungle scene at the beginning It was one of the funnier marvel movies. I also loved the Hercules post credit scene, I’m excited to see what they do with him
This is why Opinions exist 🤣 theres no way this movie is above movies like Gotg, NWH, FFH, Avengers 2012, Ragnarok, Cap: TWS etc. Movie was fun but Thor is an idiot, also please tell me your top 5 because I gotta see that 🤣 because you said L&T is top 3 like no 💀
Top 3 is probably a stretch but I still love it 1.Guardians of the Galaxy 2.Civil War 3.Thor Love and Thunder 4.Spider-Man Homecoming 5.Spider-Man No Way Home
I agree with almost everything. I feel as if a big part of this movie was Thor discovering himself to be a true king. He's becoming more powerful within each mcu movie. He's truly becoming a king and is able to gift his powers as his father once has. As he becomes more wise, the more powerful he becomes.
My main complaint with Ragnorok was that EVERYTHING ended in a punchline or serious moments that we didn't have time to sit with. I'm always critiquing the MCU films, but I felt that Gorr created a serious threat and someone who you sympathize with. It was actually my favorite Thor movie. I was never bored and felt that it told a good story of where Thor is right now in his life Good -Jane Foster was fantasitc -Christian Bale was a top tier villain -The comedic timing felt good for me when it was appropriate -Soundtrack and music choice was entertaining and made it fun -Addressing the popularity of the Avengers and how it affected New Asgard Bad -The creating a child army was weird -GOTG barely being in it 5 minutes felt misleading like Sean said -Thor acting like a dad at the end felt weird -Zeus felt like a Taika caricature and it was cringe -Thor was joking around too much when he was supposed to be in a battle so it felt annoying
100% agree with you both about this film and about the current state of the MCU/Phase 4. This movie had its moments but for the most part it was absolutely ridiculous, almost none of it made sense and it was mostly just a comedy/parody of itself, minus some of the ending and Gorr. I’m glad you said something about the MCU just randomly replacing male characters with female characters just for the sake of appeasing a small group, not even being political, they’ve just replaced so many good characters with female versions that serve no continuity or practical purpose other than just to say they have a female superhero. There are plenty of female characters that are original to choose from, and while I understand there is a comic about a female Thor, this just didn’t make sense in this movie to make Jane Thor nor did it make sense why or how she became Thor and then suddenly just knew how to fight and be a superhero in like 2 seconds. Other than Spider-Man NWH, phase 4 has fallen pretty flat and I honestly can’t think of any other movie or series since phase 4 began that I have genuinely liked or been excited about, except for NWH like I said. I hope it gets better soon and they figure out a solid direction to put this phase in soon, because so far there has not been much to enjoy
I actually don’t get the critiques. This movie was incredible. Seriously loved every second. And it passes the wife check, it’s hard to get her to enjoy an MCU movie she must tags along. But this one had her interested and engaged!
I have to be honest, some of the things you mentioned as being "that shouldn't have been in the mcu, it was too comedic, didnt make sense" That is just what the MCU is now in a lot of ways. Concepts dont get explained and humor gets put in at the expense of other important things. This is just what the MCU is. It isn't anything out of the ordinary.
I’m among the minority but I ended up loving the film! I love how the film reminds the audience how much Thor has lost everyone over the years… “even again” like Loki. 💔 That montage with the Only Time song by Enya was beautiful! 😢 And I love Thor’s story arc in the film with being okay with death & gets the chance to say goodbye properly this time to someone dying. 😭
Just saw it today. Loved everything Involving Jane the action was good and a few moments made me lol. Not as good as Ragnarok but better than Dark World
Loved the film. Maybe a bit too much comedy and having such a serious villain in such a comedic film didn't work and match. The Olympus and Zues stuff wasn't interesting or exciting. Gorr and the kids was a bit dark and it should have shown Janes family and friends reaction to her death. It was odd they didn't show them but apart from that I liked everything else. The chemistry between Thor n Jane was great and it was great to actually see flashbacks of how their relationship played out. The way Jane got powers could have been done better but I don't have a problem with it, I didn't mind it really. The film had emotion, great music and great action. Lots of unexpected moments in a good way like when you thought, Zues, Valkerie and Korg died, plus Hercules at the end which was awesome. I didn't expect Jane to die at all and to see Heimdall at the end but a big smile on my face. And of course the best thing about the film was Gorr. Christian Bale gave an incredible performance. The villain was easily one of the best Marvel's villains, not just because you understand his motivations but also because he is so scary, creepy and dangerous. And I liked how Thor has a child now. Certainly not as good as Ragnarok but it's close
I think the afterlife post credits scene played more of a part then most people probably thought. It’s another world to explore, like who else is there and are there any other ways in or out, like can Doctor Strange or Ant-Man somehow get there?
Asguardians of the Galaxy - While their scenes were extremely limited unfortunately I really did enjoy their scenes. Its just a shame we'll probably never properly see the Asguardians of the Galaxy together again they had so much potential thet will likely now sadly never be utilised. Gorr the God Butcher - Gorr was such an interesting and creepy villain I loved his scenes! Christian Bale also knocked it out of the park with his performance. I kind of wish Gorr was in it more but I am satisfied with what we got Jane Foster/Mighty Thor- I have mixed feelings about Mighty Thor. If given the right time I would've been a big fan I think but she wasn't given it for obvious reasons and she created quite a few awkward moments I wasn't a fan of. I don't hate Mighty Thor but she couldve been a lot better. How she got her powers was just huh? That was so lazy. Jane's death broke my heart though I was NOT ready for that especially as I thought we'd see this storyline over multiple projects. Thor - I honestly really like Thor as a comic relief character so liked him in this movie - I do much prefer him as a deep character but I do also love his comic relief side too, I just hope someday they can strike a good balance between the 2. I will admit they went a little too far in parts though which is why we need a good balance Final battle - I think it was a good final battle but adding in the new thing where kids can get the power of Thor? That wasn't handled well if it was explained how it could be done and made sense it'd be cool but it never was established so it was messy :/ Ending - I really like that Thor has a kid now I'm interested in seeing where this will take his character in future projects. Post Credit Scenes - I felt like in this movie they really wasted the gods so seeing this first post credits scene made me happy i can't wait for what's to come. As for the 2nd post credits scene no opinion it simply just exists Overall I really enjoyed this movie but it did have quite a fair few flaws too. 7/10
I do love how Orin’s line in Ragnarok. “That hammer was to help you control your power, it was never your source of strength.” Is now completely moot as Jane gets the powers of Thor just from getting the hammer.
I’m with you Sean. I was 7 when Iron Man came out and I remember the excitement that I felt when the first trailer for The Avengers came out and I found out all of those movies were connected. This was before I was on social media to keep up with news on pop culture so this was a complete surprise and I loved every second of it. Since then I eagerly counted down the days and even made theories of my own for every MCU film that would release next. I’ve had some that let me down. I didn’t hate them, but I was definitely indifferent. I haven’t even hated any of the shows, though almost all of them I wouldn’t care enough to rewatch. Unfortunately, besides No Way Home, I just haven’t been excited for any phase 4 project. I really wanted to enjoy Love and Thunder, but unfortunately it became the first MCU film that I could genuinely say I HATED, and with the next film being the Black Panther sequel, I’ve got very little confidence in that one, especially since (though I know this was tragically beyond anyone’s control) they’ve lost their leading man.
Yeah but the gods being a joke is a reflection on Gorr’s experience. Like the gods are supposed to be some big important beings, omnipotent, all loving, but when it turns out they’re not, they’re a big joke and Zeus refuses to help Thor, it’s gives perspective on where Gorr’s motives come from.
Perhaps would have worked a lot better if Gorr actually interacted with those characters 🤷🏻♀️ We don’t see Zeus through gore’s perspective or experience but through Thor’s. These are also once again Interesting ideas which the movie fails to spend time exploring
Well done video 👏. I especially agree with the statement that I too no longer have the urgency to see Marvel films like I once did. It can't be because I'm older since I still love every film through End Game.
Thor in Infinity War was the perfect mix in my opinion. He was funny but also serious. It's like Freddy in Dream Warriors, still scary but nailing the one-liners. Perfect mix!
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Couldn't agree more! Infinity War moved him to the top of my favorites list
Thor Love and Thunder a mediocre film, Thor is a mess and Gorr is disappointing and wasted. The jokes aren't funny and are annoying.
My thoughts exactly. So frustrating seeing the direction they’ve gone with Thor since endgame
I completely agree! He was likable and funny but also brave, heroic, and mature. That also made him feel more relatable imo. I feel like there is a certain level of seriousness and maturity that comes with heroism and for me when characters cross that line they tend to feel a bit empty and uninspiring.
Loved Gorr, wish that we got more to him. More God killings would've been good, more screentime, and i wish the movie was darker so it could match Gorr's vibe. When I saw the first trailer, my main concern was that the movie wouldn't be able to find its footing. And I was very right. It was very goofy and fun one moment, then next thing we have Gorr being all serious and creepy. Then again we have goofy stuff. Right back to Gorr walking through the darkness. It jumped back and forth from goofy to serious. Overall thought it was good and entertaining, definitely nowhere close to the best MCU movie like some people claim it to be.
Agreed, Gorr was great but could have been more.
Should have kept him alive so he could be in a better, more serious movie.
@@bannanabutt6691 That's a fact
@@WhiteDragonXXX that rhymed.
I agree. Felt like the movie wasn't balanced well enough. Definitely wanted more of Gorr. Bale did a great job
IMO Bale’s Gorr was single handedly the best part of the movie, no questions asked!
I completely agree Sean. The direction the MCU is headed genuinely saddens me, especially with this and the recent Disney plus shows
Can agree on the Disney+ part, and Dr. Strange was also a trainwreck.
This Thor movie somehow felt okay to me... despite dialing up the comedy it was way more consistent and less cringe than Ragnarok, or some aspects of Endgame.
@@janosd4nuke DR strange and loki are both great
Loki
WandaVision
No Way Home
Thor
Doctor Strange
Have all Been mediocre or better
Loki and No Way Home so far have been the only enjoyable ones for me
Phase 4 has to be a bridge to phase 4 because no way this is it. We need closure.
My Thor ranking:
4. Thor: The Dark World
3. Thor: Love and Thunder
2. Thor
1. Thor: Ragnarok
That's perfect
I dug this film, jane was finally saved and did something not just a damsel in distress. Gorr felt like he was in a different film. Zeus was stabbed way too quick. I like the mioljnir and stormbreaker jealousy story! 7.5/10!!
Did u watch the credit scene because it showed that Zeus isn’t dead and he ordered his son Hercules to go after Thor for the next movie
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I would love to see a ranking of MCU movies solely based on just the movies themselves without any consideration to how they relate to how they connect to the rest of the universe. I think when watching this movie as a stand-alone film, it fares much better than when you focus on how plot conveniences here could’ve been used in past movies.
Agree, going into this with a mindset of "ok, how is this going to completely 100% into the big epic Phase 4 or 5 future?" then you are lost.
Also, Sean is really overthinking this. Like if he likes a scenes he always goes "ok well but….this isn’t gonna work or whatever".
I think he’s absolutely entitled to view it in the way it does, I just feel like focusing on how plot devices here (giving people the power of thor / mjolnir reassembling to save Jane) could’ve affected past movies takes away from those moments in this movie itself
@@everettadkins3530 O yeah, I’m a huge fan of Sean
@@everettadkins3530 to me it just needed a bit more elaboration, but works perfectly fine with headcanon.
As with this kind of world breaking implications I don't only think on what it breaks, but what unstated rules can be there to still make it work. And it's only bad if I can't make up my answer from the mechanics of the world already demonstrated.
On this scenario it goes like: Mjolnir's enchantment like this is a callback to Odin doing this in the first Thor movie, so there is a precedent to be able to do this. Maybe it needed to be post-Ragnarok with Odin passing away and Thor inheriting the role of the Asgardian All-Farher. And in the high-stakes finale of the Infinity Saga he didn't have the headspace and the calm to manifest these powers. And only after realizing it worked with Mjolnir and Jane on a fluke, can he somewhat control it at use this power with the kids. Zeus's lightning being there as the weapon another pantheon's All-Father and also lightning-based could also be a catalyst.
I really liked it. However about the kids having the power that’s only because Thor has Zeus’s lighting bolt. That’s why the kids lighting is all yellow and not blue like Thors & Jane’s
Didn’t think about that but really good explanation that they will use as why he can’t give ppl power in later films - I don’t remember if he kept the bolt but I’m sure if he did then Zeus will want it back in the next film
@@erikmartinez8814 thor killed zeus at
@@sheat7157 I know you didn't go see the movie and not stay through the credits. Please say you just forgot.
@@christianjalexander ohh i didn’t realise that credits scene was him being alive i thought it may have been afterlife of some sort, my bad
@@sheat7157 nice save
We should’ve seen more of Gorr hunting and killing other gods
Definitely agree this movie had so much potential to be a great MCU movie instead just made for jokes literally. I hope they realize this, and start taking their movies with more of a serious tone. The joke filled superhero movies market IMO has worn off.
The movie should of gone back to the serious roots in the original Thor movie, just do a serious Thor film with the hero having to fight against Gorr
Honestly MoM felt way more like a joke than this film did. Having jokes and treating characters like jokes are two completely different things. MoM treated characters as jokes wheras Thor Love and Thunder just had jokes in the film. This film is the most badass that weve seen Thor. The jokes only help make him feel like a more realistic character instead of like the first two Thors where they treated him like a plot device moreso than the character
I think it’s a legit way to show depression. I actually relate because when I’m going through a harder whether its grief or stress I usually play it off with jokes and I act more air headed than usual. Jokes are the tears of a clown. Its a continuation of the Endgame plot with him finding his place in his world. They never closed it out in Endgame. I do think it was too silly at moments. Like the dumpling and the split. Thor was serious at the end of the movie.
Yeah I totally agree with you man! Me playing off like I’m fine with jokes is what got me through my grandmother’s passing.
@hxzsh that’s just your opinion dude. Not a fact, just like this is our opinion. Everyone processes depression in different ways. Saying a simple “no” does not make our way of dealing with depression invalid.
Everyone has the same type of depression makes sense
But they don’t show you this is a way to cope with his depression. If it showed you Thor smiling through the pain or something then maybe so but they never do
@@froggyblades6985 they do show it in endgame when Thor and Rocket are in the past and Thor keeps breaking down, but when his mom confronts him she asks if he’s fine and he keeps trying to joke and act like she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Even when Hulk and Rocket come to Thor’s to try and get him to join the team back he’s making Jokes and when Rocket mentions Thanos thor breaks down while he’s trying to avoid the topic with jokes.
I agree with you completely about Phase 4 being mostly a letdown. While each show or movie had its moments, they don't seem to be building up anything or leading anywhere. They keep introducing and teasing more and more characters at the end of everything which just means there is more to keep up with. I'm afraid that if there isn't an overall "point" or "direction" of all these new characters, the MCU will eventually just implode on itself.
I feel like all the shows struggle to stick the landing and for some of them all they need is an extra episode to build up to the finale.
@@mikeoxmaul837 every marvel show apart from Loki has been oh look the hero gets a new suit in the very rushed season finale
@@nathanielfarkas4431 I also find it interesting that WandaVision was an 8 hour intro to Dr. Strange 2 which pretty much made the ending of that show and the lessons Wanda learned kinda pointless.
I think they are going to make a new neo avengers team with characters like black knight, blade, wasp, hercules, ms marvel, ect.
@@jacksonbrickmedia939 That'd be neat. Just hoping it doesn't end up like the Defenders
I like the way Jane got her powers, Thor has control over mjolnirs magic so him asking the power to protect her is perfectly fine, I’m curious what other options there would even be
Did Thor ever go back to earth before getting stormbreaker? Once he had it he never needed to put it back together
Also what’s wrong with the whisper - u do remember that that’s how Odin gave it powers
Yeah, also took it as a callback to Odin's original enchantment on Mjolnir.
Still would've loved more elaboration. To me it also has an aspect this being post-Ragnarok, and thus after Odin's death Thor inheriting the role of the Asgardian all father, but in the high-stakea chaos of the Infinity saga finale he did not have the time and headspace to realize these powers. Having Zeus's lightning, the weapon of another pantheon's all father may also act as a catalyst to do this more effectively. That's why it's accidental and activating on a large delay with Jane, and more instant and controlled with the kids.
No he did not, right after Ragnarok and leaving Asgard to fall with Hela, Thanos attacked their refugee ship as of Ragnarok post-credit/ Infinity War cold open, and Thor only arrives in Wakanda after forging Stormbreaker.
I really liked the movie, I loved Christian bale as the villain, I do wish he had a little more screen time. I also really enjoyed jane and Val’s relationship. I thought stormbreakers jealousy was very enjoyable. All in all I would give it a 7.5/10
Since Ragnarok I have treated Thor as a comedy. MCU like to talk about genre films. For me Thor is a comedy, I was not expecting Infinity War. I get where you are coming from there was alot of serious things, but when thor discovered Jane had cancer he toned down. I dunno, I went in expecting a comedy and I loved it.
I also went in expecting a comedy and still didn’t like it. Sometimes it doesn’t matter your expectations walking in the movies, some are for you and some are not 🤷♂️
I remember the moment I saw Thor jump on stormbreaker and ride it like a broomstick I took a deep breath as I realized what I had just signed up for. Then when Axel's head started floating I had the exact same thought about the movie feeling like a parody. The image of his head just looked so unbelievably ridiculous to me that I couldn't believe it was in a real MCU film. It looked like a RUclips sketch. In my opinion the best scene in the entire movie is when the main characters get their mouths shut and Christian Bale gets to do his thing. No more jokes, just a genuinely cool and scary villain showing off.
Agreed. Was sitting next to my mom, and during the black and white scene, I'd actually told her I found the dark tone refreshing. Even for awhile.
"Quantity over Quality" is exactly how I would define Phase 4, took the words right out of my mouth, great video Shaun! Hang in there, hopefully they will make us feel the MCU magic again in the near future.
I thought the action was soooo good but it needed to take itself more seriously. I think especially since this movie takes place after Thor’s experiences with thanos in infinity war and endgame, the overall tone shouldn’t have been as light and goofy, and could’ve been a more serious, introspective conclusion to the Thor franchise after the fact. Overall it comes in middle ground for me but I definitely preferred it to multiverse of madness.
I think i prefered this movie over Multiverse of Madness cuz of some things bother me. To you it may be no big things butbfor me matters. Like that ocult feeling. Thor movie was fun, beautiful but rly do a proper movie not to joke about it
@@f1ll3rn but the point of MoM was to be creepy and have horror elements lol… these are different genres of movies
This movie was great, it's really funny every time Thor talks to stormbreaker he has to tell storm breaker why it shouldn't be jealous of mulnjer, Gorr had a really interesting arc and Thor's choice to spend his final moments with Jane and convincing Gorr to wish his daughter back to life instead of trying to kill him really reflects the love theme, and Gorr understands what Jane is going through since they were both dying which gives him more depth because he can relate to the heroes.
@@chrisc4507 who asked
@@RojusGaming I did
@@RojusGaming the whole point of this channel is to discus your opinions on movies openly
@@williamwalker5244 he called his opinion cringe, not the movie.
@@RojusGaming oh my bad. Sorry about that pal completely misunderstood the context.
I agree 100%. I was so frustrated when this movie ended. Even a little mad. One of me favorite characters was a parody of himself.
Honestly I believe the whole hammer thing since Odin was able to impose him own rule onto the hammer it would make sense for Thor to be able to do so as well. Plus it further expresses his love for Jane
Should I point out this plot hole? Korg talks about his two dads at one point in the film. Even though in Ragnarok he says “the only people who signed up for my revolution was my mom and her boyfriend who I hate”. Either this is a plot hole, or there’s some convoluted backstory as to how this all adds up. Now that I think of it, a Korg solo movie would be beautiful.
the 2 dads thing and him finding a male spouse in the end is just there to push more wokeness. Totally unnecessary
@@barrysmith4610 True that
@@archer5834 anyone that disagrees can go back and watch ragnarok because this is true and it’s just a cheap way for Taika Watiti to make this movie “super gay”🤢
He may have had adopted parents on sakaar
I saw it Thursday night with low expectations due to reviews and such, but I surprisingly enjoyed it. The story could have been executed far better (and it did go too far at times) but it provided enough entertainment for me to consider it the third-best movie in Phase 4 so far.
I fully agree with you on the future of the MCU. I was a huge marvel fan a few years back. Now nothing really exites me anymore. The only time they pulled that of was with no way home in phase 4. The quantity over quality is a huge issue right now for the MCU. Honestly i'm also really worried same as you
I fully agree with everything you said man. I look at everything that’s coming and I just can’t get myself hyped. I’m done with it. I already have 20 something amazing films that follow an overarching narrative
This movie was an over the top fun loving comedy. I get that some people are annoyed that it was too much but going into this you had to expect a romantic comedy with a messy plot line mixed in with some serious tense moments. I understand the quantity over quality debate but you have nothing to do but hope the MCU figures this all out.
Quantity over quality is basically how to explain phase 4 in three worlds. It definitely doesn’t help that Marvel and Lucasfilm are limiting most of the live action shows to 6 episodes per season
Jane's death still shocked and saddened me. Gorr is a good villain
Gorr really carried the movie
How were u shocked, it was literally inevitable from when her condition was revealed
not just good he is the best villain of mcu
@@sahilkhatri667 That's still Thanos
Gorr was great but he should have had more screen time and killed more characters
Me and my friends really loved this movie probably because we knew it was super campy and goofy beforehand. I do feel like Gorr was put in the wrong movie, but I did really love his character. Most jokes landed for me at least and I loved Thors arc in this. I’d give it like an 8/10.
I think that Thor being able to grant the power to the children could be plausible, if the bolt is as powerful as it is stated, I think it could grant power to other beings. I also think it makes sense for him to go after the bolt only now. In the first Thor he was on the clock to get back to Asgard, in the first Avengers he was trying to find Loki, in Dark World he was on the clock to get back to Earth because Malekith was already there, in Age of Ultron he was busy helping the team find Ultron, in Ragnarok he barely made it to Asgard in time before Hela took over, in Infinity War, he only was interested in creating a Thanos killing axe, and in Endgame was was a lazy mf. He only went after the sword now because it was a matter only concerning gods, and he wanted help and to bring awareness to Omnipotent City. Now as to why Thor didn’t go after Eternity in Endgame, he didn’t know that you needed Bifrost to access the zone Eternity was in. Thanos could have known, but he didn’t want to mess with Odin who contained the key to Bifrost by protecting Asgard, and once Odin and Asgard were out of the picture, only then did he go for the space stone, attack the Asgardians while they were weak. I don’t really think the movie had any awfully confusing plot holes other than a couple of verbal continuity errors, but those aren’t big enough to complain about.
And then with the matter of the hammer being able to grant the wielder Thor's powers, Odin, in Thor 1 enchants the hammer so that that the being who wields it shall have the powers of Thor. The only real plot hole I can see that Sean explained is that the hammer is now able to put itself back together.
@@beydname6159 That's actually not a problem either. If Hela only broke the hammer but not the magic within, then the hammer continued to work the whole time, but Thor thought it broke and so didn't call him again.
@@beydname6159 which i took as thor asking the hammer to protect jane to be a trigger for it to repair itself as well
Listening to the Eternity concern: since when does everyone know everything about everywhere? Just cause it existed doesn’t mean Thanos knew about it. Do you know everything that exists in the universe?
Regarding the child: wasn’t his journey in this movie that he realized he wants someone in his life to care about?
I just got out of it less then an hour ago. I really enjoyed it. I was disappointed with aspects of it but Christian Bale was great and it was hilarious
i agree with everything you said from Jane getting her powers being ridiculous to Thor being a goofball and the comedy being dialed up to 10 trillion. I too am worried for the future of the MCU
Overall i found this movie to be a massive disappointment. It was too short, resulting in many underdeveloped plotlines and Gorr was also quite disappointing as we got too little of him and didn't see enough of him butchering gods. The humor was incredibly hit or miss for me as well, and ultimately this movie did not live up to my expectations. I'd say it's a 5.5/10
My biggest problem is the movie doesn't utilize its topics seriously. It treats the problem of evil and the problem of time as ways to write jokes about. Those subjects shouldn't be treated lightly. This movie needed a different writer and director. Like Matt Reeves or even Zack Snyder.
I loved this film. I think no matter your opinions on Jane Foster you will enjoy this film. For people that aren't big fans of the character such as myself we are happy to see her go (I know that is a bad thing to say given how she died) and for people that are fans of the character you will be happy to see her fighting as thor
I feel like im kinda lucky in a sense that im basically the embodiment of the target audience they're making movies for now. Loki, MoM, Moon Knight, NWH, L&T, Shang Chi, Black Widow, TFaTWS, Eternals, all of them have been some of my favorite movies/shows in recent memory. All but Eternals id rank in the top quarter of the entire MCU.
L&T is easily my favorite Thor movie, just watched it last night and even tho it was a shitty cam recording, i may watch again today. may have helped that i was stoned af, but all of Taika's humor hit home with me. the Goats were one of my biggest laughs throughout the movie, i almost cried when Jane died and then Thor went full dad mode, then they said they called them Love & Thunder and the waterworks started. Russell Crowe was a phenomenal Zues and im super excited to see him as the big bad of Thor 5, and Hercules looks cool af, despite him being bad CGI for some reason. Gorr is the best Thor Villain imo, and one of the MCU's best villains period (Loki isnt a true villain so i dont count him as one), and Christian Bale really nailed it imo. and it had some of the most visually stunning filmography ive ever seen, the scene in black and white was so damn good.
A big thing for me is that Thor works so much better as a clueless, slightly insecure god with a heart of gold than his comic version of a stoic confident god. if im being completely honest, Thor 1 & 2 werent great less because of writing and more because they took the character too seriously. The stories in those two were fine imo, but thor was acting like a stoic God. every character needs some major weakness to offset their strenghts, Thor more than most because of him literally being a god. the cluelessness of his character and his insecurity is perfect for that imo. and he's basically been going through a midlife crisis since Loki's betrayal in the first film, and since asgardians live thousands of years, it would make sense to me that he keeps having to find himself again because his old ways keep seeping back into his actions due to millennia of learned behavior. you know the saying "rome wasnt built in a day"? well in thors case he has to tear down an entire planets worth of pre-existing foundations before he can even BEGIN to construct his "rome", shit like that takes time. Plus the events of Ragnarok happened before his people were massacred as he watched helplessly and he personally felt responsible for Thanos' winning in Infinity War, a Trauma like that would have set him back considerably in his path of self discovery. he would have doubted himself and gone back to what he deems as familiar to a degree.
They're doing female versions to prep for A-Force id assume. outside of Widow, Wasp, Marvel, Wanda, & Gamora, they didnt really build many female heroes up in the infinity saga. and half of those are dead or "reset", so they needed more. not like they're just inventing characters or anything lol, these are all out of the comics, albeit with some changes in some cases.
My new MCU top three are MoM, NWH, & L&T. Honorable mentions go out to my Pre-December top three of Infinity War, Moon Knight, & Loki.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I agree that at times it was overly silly, but I felt like most of the jokes landed. The Negative realm fight was the best part I think, it was also cool the way Gorr grabbed storm breaker
I really liked the movie but there is some moments that went to far for me in terms of ridiculous comedy and I was not the biggest fan of the finale, still I'm gonna rewatch in theaters again and probably enjoy again.
I give this a 7.5 out of ten it was a fun and a really good laugh. This is a mid tier MSU movie. I did think it went a little out of hand at times and Gorr is a top 10 villain in my opinion.
if you think it's mid, a 7.5 is too high
js
I’m glad you reminded me to stay calm and not get aggressive with my thoughts, I was about to come after everybody
Your arguments on Mighty Thor, Thor Force, and Eternity were reaches!!
I personally really enjoyed the film, yeah it has its weak moments and plot conveniences but overall I felt they showed Thor’s depression really well, the use of comedy to mask it actually works in my opinion, as that feels kind of realistic and truthful to how people deal with things in general. Thor’s relationship with Jane was most definitely the best part of the film, Jane’s character was improved massively and her death left major impact and even caught me by surprise, they handled the climax of the film really well too, glad they didn’t undermine it with comedy which I felt was the biggest issue with Ragnarok despite how much I enjoyed it. Gorr was great too, one of the more interesting villains we’ve had in a while, Christian Bale delivered an incredible performance. My only gripe is that I think he could have benefitted from having a couple more scenes, one of him killing more Gods might have shown him to be a a greater threat, also would’ve been nice to see Christian Bale let loose a bit more in the role
I’d give the film a solid 8/10 by marvel standards, I definitely enjoyed it more than most of what we’ve gotten in phase 4 however it has its shortcomings
Awesome review sean thanks for sharing spoilers gets me more. Hyped to watch it great review and video Sean
To be fair, Steve also got the power of Thor because of Odin whispering to a hammer. So... It’s not super far fetched. Anf as this movie kind of implied, Mjolnir and Stormbreaker have some level of sentience. So again... Not super hard to grasp that Mjolnir would pick Jane not only because she's worthy (she's also what made Thor worthy), but it was keeping its promise to Thor.
Edit: Why was Thor able to give all these kids the power of Thor?
I don't know, maybe it's because he is Thor? Kind of a dumb question, honestly. I mean once again, Captain America gained the powers of Thor because of ODIN. And if Odin can grant people Thor's powers, then so can Thor himself.
Edit 2: Thor can give other people his powers, and Mjolnir can give people the power of Thor.
*None of this has been established.*
Here is a line from the first film.
Odin: And whomsoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.
Then, in Endgame, Captain America wields the hammer... With the POWERS OF THOR.
I feel like you're being disingenuous now.
Edit 3: When I saw Zeus in the trailers, I was actually wanting to see Hercules at some point. Him and Thor put against each other could be pretty fucking sick.
I was literally thinking this throughout the entire video
Watching the video, I kind of just felt like Sean has a different vision of Thor than what the MCU is doing
Zeus being goofy actual made sense. He’s putting on a show for the other gods. When he talks to Thor up close he’s much more serious
Plus he plans on having Thor killed.
Yup cuz they are a bunch of children
Thank you for pointing out they are just doing girl versions of all the other original characters I thought I was the only one who noticed and I was losing my mind. You hit the nail on the head when you talked about that trope being lazy writing even though it was technically "in the comics". I hope that the recent movies are not the direction the MCU is heading because I feel like they are consistently sacrificing writing for spectacle. I feel like what made the first 3 phases so great was that the writing and characters where handled with so much care and I feel like they don't even care anymore.
I dont understand why everyone hates Jokes... I loved this movie... my favorite Thor movie and the best MCU since Endgame
Felt like it wasn’t the best mcu movie but definitely top 12 at least. Loved to see the characters again and thought it was great for them to show how Thor was handling things after endgame and how he finally got through the depression by the end of the movie when he adopts Love. He finally has family again after losing so many. Action was great, Gorr was great, Jane as Mighty Thor was great, Korg was awesome, some jokes were a little cringe and weird but most of them landed for me.
I totally agree with you on all your talking points. I have this movie very low in my Rankings. The only thing I would disagree with you on is the Thor gaining the ability to enchant the hammer. When Odin passed away, Thor gained the Odinforce which leveled him up. This is why he could go toe to toe with Zeus. Odín enchanted the hammer in the exact same way in the first movie. So Thor should have the ability to enchant the hammer. Now I do agree with you that HOW they did it which is silly AF. And him passing his powers to the children is totally lazy and inconsistent.
Best and most honest review of this movie I’ve seen. Thank you.
I think Taika kind of treated this project more like a painting than a movie. You can easily get the sense of each visual theme and tone as if they take up predetermined space on a canvas. Like Gorr himself is surrounded by the bleeding out of color. each set had such distinct variety and bursted with color and detail. You’ve got to sort of watch it like the speed racer movie, and not an mcu film. Also the cg was noticeably below standard.
I thought it was pretty good as someone who is luke-warm on Ragnarok, felt it was slightly better while mostly being the same sort of deal. Would just say I preferred it because it went to multiple locations and definitly mainly because of Natalie Portman. You're 100% right about Bale being great but not in it nearly enough and tonally didn't fit into the movie.
Felt like a 2nd Phase MCU movie in a way that it had very little consequences, not much changed in the grand scheme of things start to finish. I think this is sort of because Chris Hemsworth Thor has been around for over 10 years now and has gone through so much of an arc already that there's not that much left to do. Entertaining yes, needed to happen, nah.
Although, personally...I really love this movie, I can definitely understand your points of view, Sean. Like you said, the God Butcher villain didn't make sense for a film that was going to focus so much on slap stick and over the top humor. It's like in Wonder Woman 1984. You have Barbara Minerva become the Cheetah...ONLY to have Diana NOT fight her the final batttle?? And why have Diana put on sacred battle armor if she had NO INTENTION OF BATTLING?? And like Wonder Woman 1984, I can see what the writers and director were trying to do with the character and I really appreciate it. But it doesn't work. I agree...THOR Love and Thunder makes Thor a blonde muscle bound buffoon, and secondary in his own movie.
Thor not having a full movie with the Guardians is also such a shame. They had so much potential together. Needed Gunn to make a movie with him
Thor can give the kids his power due to zeus's lighting bolt. Its very clear in the movie. The kids's power color is yellow like zeus and thor talks onto the lighting bolt. If u watch it again its very clear.
though I know this film is not perfect, for me it was a very good time!!! the heavy comedic presence worked imo because of how dark some of the latest MCU entries have been (MOM, Eternals), and right now with the state of the world I just wanted something fun that I could watch and laugh my ass off to lol. seeing thor and the GOTG, for a bit of time at least, was awesome and the romantic scenes between Jane and thor (also Gorr and his kid) were shot beautifully imo. again, I completely understand how many may not love this movie, but for me it worked and was one of my fav Marvel additions of this year.
The whole eternity thing not being used in the past is that, you need Bifrost to get there, asgard is gone, and Thor didn't knew it until Zeus said it.
I honestly really loved the movie. I'd give it a solid 8/10. All the jokes worked for me and I really enjoyed gorr as a villain.
I’m jealous
Under 14?
@@mr.j410 I like stupid jokes I don't see what the problem is with that
I really liked it too. I would give it 8/10 just cause of Eternity scene
@@onigiri2032 then go watch minions or something
Positives:
- The double down on the wackiness, comedy, and colorful action of Ragnarok works and is massively entertaining and hilarious.
- Every character is engaging and fun to watch, with Thor, Gorr, and Jane’s return being standouts.
- Rarely if ever undercuts dramatic moments with humor, leaving serious moments to be enjoyed more.
- Feels like an appropriate continuation of where these characters have came from and are going, leaving the story to be on cruise control for the better.
Negatives:
- Has numerous plot points that give very short explanations that technically “work”, but leave a lot to be desired.
- To the last point, the movie desperately craves an extra 15-20 minutes of runtime to more fully flesh out plot lines and characters, especially Gorr and Valkyrie.
- Humor is overall entertaining but can sometimes get a little too zany and repetitive.
8/10, arguably the MCU’s best non-Spider-Man film since Endgame.
The movie was good. It has the classic mcu action,the CGI were amazing and i liked the humor because i don't want to watch a serious thor movie like dark world again
Completely on the same page as you when it comes to your worries and your feeling of superhero fatigue.
I think this franchise worked so well for so many years before because each project felt SPECIAL. We had a break usually of around 4-5 months between each Movie to allow us time to reflect on it and look forward to the next and build up our excitement and theories. The MCU NEEDS to be absent from our lives for a period of time for it to fully hit when its present again.
Now, so much is getting rammed down our throat constantly between the shows and movies, burnout is inevitable. I honestly fear that the Disney Plus shows and having them connect so heavily to the main MCU could be the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise, and it all just feels like Disney ordering Marvel to create content so they can get easy subscriptions - even if the creative magic isn’t there for that content. Its stretching the studios creative resources thin and also means that Feige cannot be there to oversee it all, and it CANNOT be understated how big a problem that is as he is the mastermind that made this be as successful as it is in the first place.
If Marvel wants to do Television properly and respectfully, I think they should have followed the Netflix era model - produce quality lengthy seasons and keep them in universe, but DON’T try so hard to tie them so closely to the Movies, and have a different creative team involved with Feige focusing solely on the Movies. Keep these shows exclusively for low street level stories and with no world ending stakes. That way, they are not essential viewing for the casual audience, and Movies will still feel like a special event and will feel more like the studio poured their heart and soul into them.
I don’t agree with your thoughts on Thor love and thunder but I respect your opinion but in my opinion it’s an great addition to the Mcu
I actually think the explanation of Jane getting Mjolnir is brilliant
Great, in depth analysis! Thank you!!
1. #GoSupportLoveAndThunder
2. I genuinely enjoyed watching this movie.
Yes, Ragnarok is better, but I still enjoyed it for what it was.
Would definitely watch again.
3. I guess, for me, I'm easily entertained when it comes to the MCU, especially Phase 4.
Again, regarding Phase 4 and future projects, I'm at the point where I'm going to appreciate what I'm getting from the MCU.
Why? Because, I guess I'm preparing myself for when the MCU truly ends. I want to be there when it happens, not abandon ship due to feeling "burned out" or fulfilled by Endgame.
Yes, I understand it's illogical to think that way, but that's my feeling on it.
4. Yes, I feel like the MCU is currently directionless. But, I think it's for a reason, with that being that something is coming down the line, and we have to be prepared for what's coming instead of crapping on it for "having nothing".
5. (6:08-39:20)
*SPOILERS FOR THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER*
This movie was an over the top fun loving comedy. I get that some people are annoyed that it was too much but going into this you had to expect a romantic comedy with a messy plot line mixed in with some serious tense moments. I understand the quantity over quality debate but you have nothing to do but hope the MCU figures this all out.
from what I've gathered about zeus is that he was that way on purpose its mentioned that nobody believes in gods anymore and have been completely forgotten and replaced by superheroes, so he got lazy and its why he was like that in the movie and in his next appearance i think he'll be a threat in the future maybe there's a battle of the gods arc in the story they'll adapt where he'll be the main vaillain
Yeah, I think that people have missed this point, makes complete sense in the movie and is great setup for a wrath of gods kind of thing
Don’t get ur hopes up.
@@daddyhammer oh so there is a war of the gods arc? i dont read comics i wish i did though
Very thoughtful explanation of what works and what doesn’t Sean and I 100% agree with them all. To me this film should have been a Trilogy. Part 1 is a joke filed space adventure alongside the Guardians of the Galaxy until it takes a dark turn at the end when Thor hears about Gor and the threat he poses. Part two is a running battle across the universe between the two where we actually SEE the Gods being destroyed and the negative effect on worlds and cultures, perhaps finishing with Mighty Thor arriving ready for the team-up movie in part three where Thor has to accept (as Captain America told Wanda in Civil War “Sometimes you can’t save everyone”. Gor finds the wish stone but by then has seen Thor fight to save worlds and protect everyone, even when it means he will lose Jane.
That makes Gor plead ask for his daughter back and to, once again, trust in Gods and ask for Thor to product his daughter. Thor realises he doesn’t want glory or war, but someone to love and need him which is exactly what this frightened little girl represents. Perhaps the end credit would include an indication - unseen by Thor - that the girl had dark powers and we wonder if she will turn to evil as she grows up. Just my five cents worth!
I like that this isn’t a serious movie and they were just having fun. 7th favourite marvel movie for me
I agreed with everything you said!!!!
Great review Sean.
I feel like with phase 4, marvel has said "ok here’s what all the characters from before are up to, ok here’s some new characters and what they’re gonna do, ok here’s how the universe is expanding, cool cool see you in phase 5 for the BIG STUFF". They clearly have ambition, and I’m sure this is leading to something grand and massive, but to do that, they clearly feel the need to quickly establish what’s happening before we get into our next exciting saga. And when I say quickly, I mean they spend a few years rushing out project after project to keep viewers' attention (and covid certainly hindered that even more). And the fact that they barely connect with each-other universe wise, combined the obvious amount of cuts that have had to be made to keep the train moving, means that everything is just not that interesting anymore. I really like most of these projects individually, but without an Avengers-style central hook to keep things flowing, they’re nice but not exciting like the Infinity Saga was. Ah well. They’re announcing what the big saga will be very soon, so maybe that’ll keep the hype going
You're right in saying Gorr's motivation opens up an interesting philosophical question that just wasn't ultimately explored. I feel like Zeus was played off as a joke to further illustrate the point of gods being so indifferent even to the people who worship them (like the god Gorr murders at the beginning).
I definitely enjoyed this movie, my theater was cracking up. But it was totally inconsistent. I would have loved a rom com movie and a Gorr-focused essentially horror movie separate from one another. It was inconsistent in that regard and a lot of the characters weren’t fleshed out a whole lot
Marvel didn't give Sam Raimi full control: people whine
Marvel allowed Taika to do everything he wants: still people whine 🤡
If end product is shit like those 2 movies are, people will have something to say
I don’t mind Thor’s new ability to give people the power of Thor
HOWEVER, I do think a scene in the beginning where Thor somehow learns of this ability is necessary (like maybe at some point Thor gets a vision of Odin who teaches him of this power, or maybe Jane had read about it and tells Thor of it)
That way the audience knows of it and the ability doesn’t seem convenient in the third act
I don’t understand the discourse over Mighty Thor gaining her powers. Would you rather we just find out all these people were worthy and could have helped out during IW? It makes more sense to me that Mjolnir was additionally enchanted
I don't understand the complaint about Jane getting her powers from Thor Whispering to the hammer, It literally happened in the first Thor with Odin, like that was one of the few things that worked in this movie
My ranking:
4: Thor: Ragnarok
3: Thor:
2: Thor Love and Thunder
1: thor the dark world
I loved this movie, but I do wish it were a bit more serious. It’s looking like we’re gonna get a Thor 5 in the future(directed by Taika I assume) hopefully he takes some of the criticism from this movie and finds that good balance of comedy and seriousness that Ragnarok had again.
I think Thor LAT, 2nd best Thor in the Thor films...It was a good follow up to Ragnarok...The comedy was great, and probably more than Ragnarok, which is not a bad thing...Bale was amazing in this movie, Portman, Crowe, Pratt, all acted their parts out good....There also was emotional weight to the story...Every Thor movie, specifically part 1 has had a parody or play making fun of Thor in it...It still works here...I give it a A, was there a plothole to Lady Thors powers maybe a lil....Hopefully we get the deleted scenes in the dvd or blu ray release....I felt like it was a feel good movie...One of the best looking superhero movies ever made...I liked it...See it.
I totally felt your sigh at the end.
Would you rather get Thor from his first 2 films or these last 2? Think we start to get spoiled and not realize how far we’ve come. Could’ve used more Gorr but overall it was a very good movie that’s easily re watchable and entertaining.
I watched for the jokes and color so I enjoyed the movie. Gorr was hands down one of the best villains in the MCU Top 5 I'd say. But I would say Jane in the comics became The Mighty Thor because cancer was killing her. Also I believe Phase 4 only has Hawkeye, Spider-Man No Way Home, and Shang-Chi carrying it.
i get a lot of your complaints, but i want to talk about your opinion on jane getting the hanmer. i do agree that it is an extremely lazy way to give her powers, no disagreement there. however it does make sense in the how. we know now that thor talks to his weapons as if they're his friends, so it makes sense that he would ask mjolnir of that in a casual conversation, i dont think he enchanted it on purpose, but that's definitely what happened. and we as the audience have technically known that you can change the fundamentals of the hammer just by talking to it. Odin did in the first thor movie, the only difference was that odin was a lot more shakespeareian about it. and yes that would have been useful in the other movies, but how would thor know thats all it takes to change the rules of the hammer?
Big fan of Sean, but he automatically points to the issue with the women mcu counterparts?
My exact thought when he complained about that. Thor was just talking. He wasn't intentionally placing an enchantment. That seemed clear based on how he didn't really understand right away when Jane came back and she explained how the hammer called to her.
I really loved this movie… in my opinion it is a top 5 if not top 3 marvel movie ever, Gorr was amazing, I loved the welcome to the jungle scene at the beginning It was one of the funnier marvel movies. I also loved the Hercules post credit scene, I’m excited to see what they do with him
This is why Opinions exist 🤣 theres no way this movie is above movies like Gotg, NWH, FFH, Avengers 2012, Ragnarok, Cap: TWS etc.
Movie was fun but Thor is an idiot, also please tell me your top 5 because I gotta see that 🤣 because you said L&T is top 3 like no 💀
Top 3 is probably a stretch but I still love it
1.Guardians of the Galaxy
2.Civil War
3.Thor Love and Thunder
4.Spider-Man Homecoming
5.Spider-Man No Way Home
I agree with almost everything. I feel as if a big part of this movie was Thor discovering himself to be a true king. He's becoming more powerful within each mcu movie. He's truly becoming a king and is able to gift his powers as his father once has. As he becomes more wise, the more powerful he becomes.
I agree with most of what you've said but Hercules is not a D level Marvel character but actually a S tier character if we consider the comics
Bruh what no he isn't,he was never famous in the.comics either
If we’re talking importance in the marvel universe/ popularity he’s a D
My main complaint with Ragnorok was that EVERYTHING ended in a punchline or serious moments that we didn't have time to sit with. I'm always critiquing the MCU films, but I felt that Gorr created a serious threat and someone who you sympathize with. It was actually my favorite Thor movie. I was never bored and felt that it told a good story of where Thor is right now in his life
Good
-Jane Foster was fantasitc
-Christian Bale was a top tier villain
-The comedic timing felt good for me when it was appropriate
-Soundtrack and music choice was entertaining and made it fun
-Addressing the popularity of the Avengers and how it affected New Asgard
Bad
-The creating a child army was weird
-GOTG barely being in it 5 minutes felt misleading like Sean said
-Thor acting like a dad at the end felt weird
-Zeus felt like a Taika caricature and it was cringe
-Thor was joking around too much when he was supposed to be in a battle so it felt annoying
100% agree with you both about this film and about the current state of the MCU/Phase 4. This movie had its moments but for the most part it was absolutely ridiculous, almost none of it made sense and it was mostly just a comedy/parody of itself, minus some of the ending and Gorr. I’m glad you said something about the MCU just randomly replacing male characters with female characters just for the sake of appeasing a small group, not even being political, they’ve just replaced so many good characters with female versions that serve no continuity or practical purpose other than just to say they have a female superhero. There are plenty of female characters that are original to choose from, and while I understand there is a comic about a female Thor, this just didn’t make sense in this movie to make Jane Thor nor did it make sense why or how she became Thor and then suddenly just knew how to fight and be a superhero in like 2 seconds. Other than Spider-Man NWH, phase 4 has fallen pretty flat and I honestly can’t think of any other movie or series since phase 4 began that I have genuinely liked or been excited about, except for NWH like I said. I hope it gets better soon and they figure out a solid direction to put this phase in soon, because so far there has not been much to enjoy
I actually don’t get the critiques. This movie was incredible. Seriously loved every second. And it passes the wife check, it’s hard to get her to enjoy an MCU movie she must tags along. But this one had her interested and engaged!
I have to be honest, some of the things you mentioned as being "that shouldn't have been in the mcu, it was too comedic, didnt make sense"
That is just what the MCU is now in a lot of ways. Concepts dont get explained and humor gets put in at the expense of other important things. This is just what the MCU is. It isn't anything out of the ordinary.
Nope the comedy was too over used in this one
I’m among the minority but I ended up loving the film!
I love how the film reminds the audience how much Thor has lost everyone over the years…
“even again” like Loki. 💔
That montage with the Only Time song by Enya was beautiful! 😢
And I love Thor’s story arc in the film with being okay with death & gets the chance to say goodbye properly this time to someone dying. 😭
@Condor7215 That’s good to know. Sounds about right for the Internet being split in something! haha Thank you for telling me.
@@Stuntmachine14 I totally understand! The rewatch helped me a lot. Some things still didn’t work but overall I liked the film. Thank you! 😊
Just saw it today. Loved everything Involving Jane the action was good and a few moments made me lol. Not as good as Ragnarok but better than Dark World
Loved the film. Maybe a bit too much comedy and having such a serious villain in such a comedic film didn't work and match. The Olympus and Zues stuff wasn't interesting or exciting. Gorr and the kids was a bit dark and it should have shown Janes family and friends reaction to her death. It was odd they didn't show them but apart from that I liked everything else. The chemistry between Thor n Jane was great and it was great to actually see flashbacks of how their relationship played out. The way Jane got powers could have been done better but I don't have a problem with it, I didn't mind it really. The film had emotion, great music and great action. Lots of unexpected moments in a good way like when you thought, Zues, Valkerie and Korg died, plus Hercules at the end which was awesome. I didn't expect Jane to die at all and to see Heimdall at the end but a big smile on my face. And of course the best thing about the film was Gorr. Christian Bale gave an incredible performance. The villain was easily one of the best Marvel's villains, not just because you understand his motivations but also because he is so scary, creepy and dangerous. And I liked how Thor has a child now. Certainly not as good as Ragnarok but it's close
I think the afterlife post credits scene played more of a part then most people probably thought. It’s another world to explore, like who else is there and are there any other ways in or out, like can Doctor Strange or Ant-Man somehow get there?
Asguardians of the Galaxy - While their scenes were extremely limited unfortunately I really did enjoy their scenes. Its just a shame we'll probably never properly see the Asguardians of the Galaxy together again they had so much potential thet will likely now sadly never be utilised.
Gorr the God Butcher - Gorr was such an interesting and creepy villain I loved his scenes! Christian Bale also knocked it out of the park with his performance. I kind of wish Gorr was in it more but I am satisfied with what we got
Jane Foster/Mighty Thor- I have mixed feelings about Mighty Thor. If given the right time I would've been a big fan I think but she wasn't given it for obvious reasons and she created quite a few awkward moments I wasn't a fan of. I don't hate Mighty Thor but she couldve been a lot better. How she got her powers was just huh? That was so lazy. Jane's death broke my heart though I was NOT ready for that especially as I thought we'd see this storyline over multiple projects.
Thor - I honestly really like Thor as a comic relief character so liked him in this movie - I do much prefer him as a deep character but I do also love his comic relief side too, I just hope someday they can strike a good balance between the 2. I will admit they went a little too far in parts though which is why we need a good balance
Final battle - I think it was a good final battle but adding in the new thing where kids can get the power of Thor? That wasn't handled well if it was explained how it could be done and made sense it'd be cool but it never was established so it was messy :/
Ending - I really like that Thor has a kid now I'm interested in seeing where this will take his character in future projects.
Post Credit Scenes - I felt like in this movie they really wasted the gods so seeing this first post credits scene made me happy i can't wait for what's to come. As for the 2nd post credits scene no opinion it simply just exists
Overall I really enjoyed this movie but it did have quite a fair few flaws too. 7/10
stormbreaker coming into frame "starring" at Thor was absolutely hilarious.
Cringe*
I do love how Orin’s line in Ragnarok. “That hammer was to help you control your power, it was never your source of strength.”
Is now completely moot as Jane gets the powers of Thor just from getting the hammer.
I’m with you Sean. I was 7 when Iron Man came out and I remember the excitement that I felt when the first trailer for The Avengers came out and I found out all of those movies were connected. This was before I was on social media to keep up with news on pop culture so this was a complete surprise and I loved every second of it. Since then I eagerly counted down the days and even made theories of my own for every MCU film that would release next. I’ve had some that let me down. I didn’t hate them, but I was definitely indifferent. I haven’t even hated any of the shows, though almost all of them I wouldn’t care enough to rewatch. Unfortunately, besides No Way Home, I just haven’t been excited for any phase 4 project. I really wanted to enjoy Love and Thunder, but unfortunately it became the first MCU film that I could genuinely say I HATED, and with the next film being the Black Panther sequel, I’ve got very little confidence in that one, especially since (though I know this was tragically beyond anyone’s control) they’ve lost their leading man.
Thor: *Does a split kick
Sean: “Pull the plug, it’s over” 😂
Yeah but the gods being a joke is a reflection on Gorr’s experience. Like the gods are supposed to be some big important beings, omnipotent, all loving, but when it turns out they’re not, they’re a big joke and Zeus refuses to help Thor, it’s gives perspective on where Gorr’s motives come from.
Perhaps would have worked a lot better if Gorr actually interacted with those characters 🤷🏻♀️
We don’t see Zeus through gore’s perspective or experience but through Thor’s.
These are also once again Interesting ideas which the movie fails to spend time exploring
Well done video 👏. I especially agree with the statement that I too no longer have the urgency to see Marvel films like I once did. It can't be because I'm older since I still love every film through End Game.
Phase 4 would be much better overall if there were less disney plus shows and they just releas them as movies as a slower pace.