Thor: Love and Thunder - SPOILER Talk!

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  • Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
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    Now that THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER is out, it's time to talk about the spoilers, with all the grumpy energy I can muster!
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  • @pandadanda-xc3uq
    @pandadanda-xc3uq Год назад +5344

    Anyone else kinda bummed we never got to see Gorr the god butcher butcher any gods? Like we saw a bit of aftermath and one light kill early on but kinda wanted to see Gorr in full Gorr anger mode eviscerate a god, thought it would be Zeus before I saw the movie, but felt it had the same issue as Carnage in Venom 2

    • @Wade_Fucking_Wilson
      @Wade_Fucking_Wilson Год назад +93

      exactly

    • @headshot217
      @headshot217 Год назад +69

      Well they are marvel films your forgetting marvel is inherently for all audiences these arent r rated properties even carnage it was never a violent or gorey comic i dont understand where this has came from

    • @headshot217
      @headshot217 Год назад +31

      I agree with you id have preferred to see that but this is marvel not god of war for example

    • @alejandroramos8371
      @alejandroramos8371 Год назад +210

      That's the problem with this movie. They didn't developed his character enough that his threat in the story felt.. meh..

    • @rosssapp6990
      @rosssapp6990 Год назад +83

      Yes I was like a 5 minute scene of a montage would have been perfect made him more threatening.

  • @ARBLACKx
    @ARBLACKx Год назад +1394

    This movie felt like it would exist in The Boys' universe as a film you see as a preview for within the show lol

    • @zserbs2326
      @zserbs2326 Год назад +38

      You’re absolutely right XD

    • @lukeviruswalker7541
      @lukeviruswalker7541 Год назад +10

      🤣 so true

    • @rhetiq9989
      @rhetiq9989 Год назад +17

      There’s this real life ad featuring Valkyrie to promote the movie and I can’t remember for what brand, but that seriously gave me Vought vibes

    • @haidenhill6358
      @haidenhill6358 Год назад +32

      even boys looks more serious than this and the boys is a parody ,lol.

    • @andylofi4448
      @andylofi4448 Год назад +1

      Can’t wait for the finale…

  • @drallore
    @drallore Год назад +1194

    Probably one of the most disappointing changes from comic to movie was the fact that they took out Gor's empathy to mortals. It's an important aspect of his character, but he does his best to not hurt any mortals in his mission. There's a scene where followers of thor attack him, and he does his best not to hurt them, and pleads for them to just stop and consider how empty their lives are in service to a god. Like, he has a flawed philosophy, but it's consistent, and based in equal measure malice and love.
    And I kept thinking that he shouldn't be terrorizing kids. He'd never do that. I could believe he'd try kidnapping them, but I'd imagine it more likely that he would've tried kindness with the children, and appealing to their empathy to get them on his side. Hell I thought what could've been amazing is if after he acquired stormbreaker, he had also sent the children home, to emphasize that his mission was killing exclusively gods, so mortals could live more peacfully (in his opinion)
    And that could've been an interesting wavering point for Valkeryie too. She could've had a moment where she almost agrees with him, taking issue with how her sisters pointlessly died in battle, women she loved, and maybe even taken issue with Thor just thrusting this political position she despises upon her. But to be fair, this kind of dynamic would be very intense for a comedy rock opera, and the movie had enough issues with tone as it is.

    • @ILUVWEBJUNK
      @ILUVWEBJUNK Год назад +106

      This 100%. In the cage, I was really hoping Gor would be kind to the children while thinking of his daughter. When he ripped the head off of the shadow monster he created, I was hoping it was his attempt at trying to be “funny” in an EXTREMELY out-of-touch (I-hope-they-find-this-funny) type of way. But after the scene ended, I sadly had succumb to the fact that this was his way to torment them…for no reason??

    • @gbeach85
      @gbeach85 Год назад +4

      💯

    • @matthewblackwelder6487
      @matthewblackwelder6487 Год назад +23

      I think since the kids are Asgardian children he views them as gods? The whole what makes a god in the MCU issue makes it hard to follow who Gorr should be killing

    • @drallore
      @drallore Год назад +28

      @@matthewblackwelder6487 that's how I thought of it at first too, but he recognized valkerye as a non god, and for some reason I have a memory suggesting he acknowledged the kids as mortals. But either way, he still lacks the mortal empathy aspect

    • @firefly9838
      @firefly9838 Год назад +20

      Yeah this. Would've given SO much more depth to Gor.

  • @aleksandarradovanovic8496
    @aleksandarradovanovic8496 Год назад +272

    The best joke in the movie by far - when Thor says something in the lines of "tonight we will feast...not with children though... those were trully dark times" 😄

    • @evilaelf
      @evilaelf Год назад +29

      My Favorite was after Zeus 'died' and Thor was telling the children "Do not meet your heroes/idols" and the kids all gave him a scared look.
      (And any time the screaming goats were...screaming)

    • @richlasma
      @richlasma Год назад +22

      you see but the problem is its just a joke for the sake of a joke. when tony joked there was something behind it. If there is zero effort or context to the joke it becomes painful.

    • @gamebond6248
      @gamebond6248 Год назад

      @@richlasma god you're so miserable

    • @kratosjunior817
      @kratosjunior817 Год назад

      The movie blows let's not even argue smh... Welp.. Onto something real like Black Panther 2. See you guys in the big leagues 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @rynxalenium
    @rynxalenium Год назад +201

    "The MCU feels Directionless" - Jeremy
    And that's all Folks! 👍

    • @paveantelic7876
      @paveantelic7876 Год назад +4

      that's not even a problem, why does it have to be some big build up like before? the problem is and was the lack of creative freedom, that's why the whole phase 4 felt messy and all over

    • @rynxalenium
      @rynxalenium Год назад +10

      @@paveantelic7876 I don't think you understand the context of that statement. What good is all the creative freedom if you dont have a clear, concise, direction?

    • @jasonmillsom2981
      @jasonmillsom2981 Год назад +9

      @Leo Peo that's so far removed from the actual mcu problems and is a childish take imo (I apoligize I just cannot take being upset over wokeness seriously), I'm more bothered by the directionless of phase 4, it's not going anywhere at the moment, maybe fantastic 4 is finally going to show us something to get us excited(Doctor doom or galactus even) about but I don't know what the hell the plan is at this point
      I would also say the idea of the tv shows is ruining the mcu more, I should not have to watch wandavision to understand wanda's current state of being in doctor strange

    • @wifine1951
      @wifine1951 Год назад +1

      Denial phase

    • @Alucard2091
      @Alucard2091 Год назад +2

      @@paveantelic7876 I dont think you've seen Loki and Phase 4 is like shitty version of DCEU

  • @shinigami1357
    @shinigami1357 Год назад +1140

    This is exactly what I was terrified off. Taiga is a comedic director, Thor ragnarok was a breath of fresh air but after infinity war and endgame you’d expect Thor to have matured a bit more and his character he finally be ready for an opponent like Gorr who’s gone through much of the same pain as Thor, losing a loved one and finding someone to blame it on and wanting to do everything in your power to kill him. (Loki and Thanos) except for Gorr it’s all the gods. It could’ve been a very powerful and emotional movie.
    But no
    Hammer threesome jokes.

    • @ajiththomas2465
      @ajiththomas2465 Год назад +66

      Honestly, I think why I consider Guardians Vol 2 and the Ant-Man films to have the right balance while considering Thor: Ragnarok to be too jokey is because of scale, stakes, and expectations. The Ant-Man films have never had end-of-the-world stakes but instead more personal stakes that affect only a select few people close to the characters. The scale of the stakes in comparison to the humor in the Ant-Man films felt appropiate. Meanwhile with Guardians Vol 2, while the scale is certainly much bigger, it's crux lied in the very grounded, human-like emotional journey of Peter Quill/Star-Lord. It helps that the GotG films never really took themselves that seriously.
      Now contrast that with the latest 2 Thor films, where the scale and expectations are much bigger. The main characters in the Thor films aren't humans or humanoid aliens but gods or at least advanced aliens mistaken for gods. When your antagonists are Hela the Goddess of Death and Gorr the Butcher of Gods, there's a rather high expectation of scale and expectations. The expectations set by Hela and Gorr being such menacing cataclysmic foes that cleave through and threaten the people and civilization of Asgard comes with it a certain expectation of gravitas and seriousness. A civilization-ending threat necessitates some gravitas. If instead the set expectation was more like Hela or Gorr had killed a group of Asgardian children or a personal friend of Thor's like one of the Warriors Three, and Thor had set out on a quest for revenge, then the constant humor and joking wouldn't clash with the tone nearly as much because the scale and expectations are set more appropiately. There would still be stakes and dramatic moments but the scale and set expectations of the main antagonists and how much of a threat they menace to be is scaled appropriately to the tone and humor.
      It's not like the MCU haven't been able to balance humor with drama, especially when it comes to Thor. If the humor and jokes were used as a defense/coping mechanism to help with fear and trauma, like we see with Thor in _Infinity War_ and _Endgame_ , then it'd be understandable and appropriate in a sense. But when the jokes are made just because and it goes from laughing with Thor making jokes to laughing at Thor as the joke, that's when the clashing of tones is really apparent.
      Do you get what I mean by this?

    • @hiddendagger7291
      @hiddendagger7291 Год назад +8

      @@ajiththomas2465 ant man and gotg weren't pillars of mcu like thor... Or other Avengers.... Ragnarok had flaws but it was still good movie because it was like a breath of fresh air but after infinity war and endgame Thor's character reached very high level ... Like a main pillar of mcu,,, and personality/ character can't be joker ....when he has villian like god who is literally butcher of god and has very good motive behind killing gods you just can't make a parody of this such emotional and serious storyline.... People wants to see serious movie with serious and emotional storyline.... Gorr lost everything just like thor ... Thor took revenge against guy who took everything from him ... Be it thanos, malekith, loki so gorr wants to do same he things gods are responsible for his condition... Dialogue exchange between them could've been really good .... You could just change a tone of movie and storyline like jane is not close to Thor's level but she is practising hard ... No love angle just weird friendship... Really good screen time for gorr like thanos had in infinity war .... (Movie should be 2hrs 40 mins ... So lot of time to show gorr his emotional story then butchering of gods ... Some good fights against other gods ... And he'll brutally kill jane too because she is god too (still pg)

    • @djtoxicdhg
      @djtoxicdhg Год назад +6

      THOR RAGNERCOCK

    • @Subject_Keter
      @Subject_Keter Год назад +4

      Figures, the guy is a jokester and went hogwild.

    • @aarongutierrez7705
      @aarongutierrez7705 Год назад +20

      I think taika just has an ego now, every time he cameos in a movie or something I’ve been finding him really annoying for some reason.

  • @geno5299
    @geno5299 Год назад +239

    I love Gorr"s character. Whenever he is on screen, he brings seriousness in the movie that is just 90% humor.

    • @AznGuyVlog
      @AznGuyVlog Год назад +19

      Bale was great he should’ve been used more

    • @vedgatne
      @vedgatne Год назад +1

      What humor? I sat through the film waiting for a laugh!!!!

  • @eddietalley534
    @eddietalley534 Год назад +648

    The ending should’ve had a big battle with Gorr taking out a lot of the gods in the god planet Zeus was in. I just feel like they didn’t make Gorr seem like a huge threat I never felt worried for Thor at all.

    • @KillerTacos54
      @KillerTacos54 Год назад +7

      Agreed

    • @cameronthomas2737
      @cameronthomas2737 Год назад +3

      Well he is the strongest avengers. You would be crazy to think anyone is a threat to him

    • @derricka4208
      @derricka4208 Год назад +35

      Right, it gets kinda boring knowing somehow the hero is going to end up winning the battle, and this why I loved Avengers: Endgame. Because in reality the goods guy/people don’t always win sometimes; evil prevails.

    • @samouser1011
      @samouser1011 Год назад +16

      @@derricka4208 Endgame had 10-11 years of build-up. So naturally the stakes would be at their absolute highest. But Infinity War is my absolute favorite because of its ending. To this day I believe Thanos should’ve won. And we should’ve started the next phase from there

    • @silverjeyjey4054
      @silverjeyjey4054 Год назад +26

      @@samouser1011 I actually preferred infinity war over endgame. Infinity wars story and arcs seemed more streamlined and had a better balance of comedy and serious moments.

  • @EV87_
    @EV87_ Год назад +415

    This felt like 9 different movies fighting for dominance. I will admit, the shadow realm stuff was really freakin’ cool, but dumb and dumber Thor just made anything cool in the movie seem not-so-cool. He’s basically turning into Jack Sparrow.

    • @eddieanderson9399
      @eddieanderson9399 Год назад +4

      It's a well done Thor TV episode

    • @wilsonruleman
      @wilsonruleman Год назад +8

      Jack sparrow rocks

    • @yahyarisqi7879
      @yahyarisqi7879 Год назад +27

      don't disrespect Jack Sparrow like that 😂

    • @JarvisPen
      @JarvisPen Год назад +13

      There should be a Captain in there somewhere.

    • @yahyarisqi7879
      @yahyarisqi7879 Год назад +6

      on a second thought, Jack Sparrow will be a great addition to Guardian of The Galaxy space members 😂

  • @thenewmase
    @thenewmase Год назад +444

    Imagine this: Gorr wins at the end. He gets to Infinity with the sword intact and Jane is dying so Thor can't focus on him anymore. Yet, instead of wishing to kill all Gods, he wishes to bring his daughter back, shocking Thor to his core. You see, the sowrd might corrupt Gorr up to a certain point, but that doesn't take away his love for his daughter. He shows Thor he is better than what the other Gods thought of him by showing he still has humanity, what all of them lack, and Thor knows it.

    • @romanhuerta3365
      @romanhuerta3365 Год назад +71

      This is actually what I thought was going to happen. I didn’t think they were going to have to convince him, definitely would’ve been way more impactful had he made the decision in the first place

    • @FlagCutie
      @FlagCutie Год назад +13

      I would actually believe that happening more than what did happen.

    • @iamafish7
      @iamafish7 Год назад +13

      I can believe that being the original ending. An I Am Legend scenario all over again.

    • @MAYITO1107
      @MAYITO1107 Год назад +8

      Would've been so much better.

    • @Imperial_KitPvP
      @Imperial_KitPvP Год назад +5

      Its eternity not infinity

  • @JoAndGetFat
    @JoAndGetFat Год назад +183

    When Jane was researching Mjölnir and words like “stamina” and “good health” (or whatever) jumped out, it made me think of Bella Swan researching vampires in the first Twilight movie. Please tell me I’m not the only one.

    • @jimbobjunior.
      @jimbobjunior. Год назад +7

      You're definitely the only one!

    • @AnaBotticelli
      @AnaBotticelli Год назад +7

      She reminded me of Bella too, and it's not a compliment 😂

    • @breannab7112
      @breannab7112 Год назад +1

      You definitely aren't the only one!

    • @jenniferb.7589
      @jenniferb.7589 Год назад

      I had the same thought!!

  • @CrystallusAngelus
    @CrystallusAngelus Год назад +178

    I cannot understate enough how much it bugs the living fuck out of me that Taika treats Thor's friends from the first two movies like shit... I have no idea how people just completely overlooked that they were Thor's friends that he fought a ton of battles with, then they get killed off like nothing, Thor never acknowledges them (and continued to not even in Infinity War), then even after they had already been killed off, Taika really showed their deaths again just to shit talk the characters more? Like really...?

    • @amaya1524
      @amaya1524 Год назад +38

      YES. I get why most people prefer the post-taika thor but there’s no need to tear down the original movies and early character arcs. As someone who loves the classic thor movies it feels so unnecessarily disrespectful.

    • @fatezero8662
      @fatezero8662 Год назад +25

      Because Taika is a hack. He's very self aware that Thor lost a lot of loved ones with the intro narration yet he deliberately still chooses to make Thor a goofball instead of making him more wiser and fundamental.

    • @weldon29
      @weldon29 Год назад

      because they were boring ass characters

  • @makingmonsterart
    @makingmonsterart Год назад +288

    When I watched the movie, it seemed like the entire movie was a tale being told by Korg, which explained why the whole thing was SO over the top. The bit of Thor riding Stormbreaker was a direct call back to how Korg thought Thor could fly from his hammer in Ragnorok. If the entire movie is just how Korg remembers things, then that would explain the wacky tone, BUT it just isn’t communicated clearly enough, and over all… it doesn’t work and makes the entire movie feel like a joke. It’s the first big whiff from Waititi for me.

    • @miketrapper0464
      @miketrapper0464 Год назад +33

      I feel like Waititi was the wrong choice for this movie

    • @thejaded
      @thejaded Год назад +16

      @@miketrapper0464 He did one thing right. Gorr, he's the best thing about this movie but it's too bad he wasn't even in the movie that long. This movie needed some stakes and seriousness at times because you're kinda just sittin' there like what the fuck is happening

    • @miketrapper0464
      @miketrapper0464 Год назад +4

      @@thejaded agreed

    • @alexanderforbes1452
      @alexanderforbes1452 Год назад +3

      That's kind of like how 300 is told from the perspective of the spartan narrator trying to fire up the troops and therefore heavily colored by the biases and superstitions of said narrator.

    • @futurespells
      @futurespells Год назад +4

      The contrast between the whole jokey tone of the movie and Gorr, just didn't work for me. Felt like two different movies. Big disappointment. My most hyped movie of the year. Keep them expectations low I guess. 😩

  • @Blackarachnia1996
    @Blackarachnia1996 Год назад +179

    Directionless is precisely how I would describe Phase 4.

    • @markpugh6808
      @markpugh6808 Год назад +11

      Yes Phase 4 sucks because Endgame felt like a definitive end to the MCU

    • @tigeranthony
      @tigeranthony Год назад +3

      .....and of course it (phase 4) will be dragged out for several more years (and films) while we wait for the latest and greatest cosmic threat, and of course THAT will be screwed up as well. Here's an idea marvel how about EVERY movie have a BIG reveal and follow a major storyline related to that particular character instead of the lazy and misguided storylines being regurgitated by marvel......

    • @scottk1525
      @scottk1525 Год назад +3

      Who cares? What's wrong with episodic adventures? Why does every movie need to perpetuate an over-arcing grand scheme of things? Don't get me wrong, phase 4 is complete shite. But I wouldn't cite its so called "lack of direction" as the problem.

    • @thealjohnsonshow2188
      @thealjohnsonshow2188 Год назад +3

      @@scottk1525
      I agree except for the notion that Phase 4 is crap.

    • @scottk1525
      @scottk1525 Год назад +1

      @@thealjohnsonshow2188 It is though. What in phase four would you describe as good? No Way Home was solid Not great. But solid. I think that's about the best we've seen in Phase 4.

  • @heatheraggus7501
    @heatheraggus7501 Год назад +18

    Your take on the opening scene is spot on. It really set the confusing tone for the rest of the movie.

  • @russelloats
    @russelloats Год назад +31

    I really think Gorr could’ve benefited from his comic origin. I was thinking two gods were going to come crashing down, one of them being his, and end up killing his daughter. His god wins but he’s so overwhelmed with rage he renounces his god, picks up the sword and kills the weakened god. Think it would’ve been way more impactful

  • @TheRomanticFanatic
    @TheRomanticFanatic Год назад +967

    This movie felt like a 2hr SNL sketch with about 3 minutes of a real good and heartbreaking Thor movie crammed in.

    • @KrowLithium
      @KrowLithium Год назад +98

      THIS. That whole SIF scene when he finds her midway through the movie was literally a SNL skit. I accidentally said "What the fuck is this movie" somewhat out loud and the guy next to me said "I was just thinking that.."

    • @TheLaughingMan712
      @TheLaughingMan712 Год назад +4

      Well stated

    • @masterchief381
      @masterchief381 Год назад +16

      @@KrowLithium couldn’t have said it better myself. The Sif scene was horrible

    • @JordanNMusic
      @JordanNMusic Год назад +3

      I’m with you on that one

    • @lorcan8484
      @lorcan8484 Год назад +16

      @@KrowLithium so you're that one obnoxious person in the theater who thinks you're above everyone. yikes.

  • @jonathanalbee8127
    @jonathanalbee8127 Год назад +516

    The hammer making janes cancer worse is lifted straight outta the comics where it is WAY BETTER explained. Every time she transformed it purged her of all toxins, like her chemo, and basically reset all her progress towards fighting cancer. Since the cancer is a part of her, the transformation didn't remove it, only the chemicals fighting it . Also, in the movie Jane was already worthy, quasi shown with Thor's whole "you showed me how to be worthy again". He didn't cast a spell to make her worthy, she was in trouble and the hammer called to her in an attempt to help her.

    • @greenman394
      @greenman394 Год назад +48

      The same Asgardian rune that was shown when Odin enchanted it in the first movie, is the same one that appears here. It’s implied she can only lift it because Thor unknowingly enchanted it specifically to help her.

    • @jonathanalbee8127
      @jonathanalbee8127 Год назад +13

      @@greenman394 it’s implied that it will protect her. Thor tells the hammer to look out for her. When she’s at her weakest the hammer calls her, knowing she’s worthy and thinking it will help. The enchantment allowing someone worthy to lift it has been there since Odin put it there. The movie goes out of its way to show you she’s worthy to lift it, so much so that thor outright says the words. The hammer chooses, not him.

    • @Robshere27
      @Robshere27 Год назад +1

      Never saw any of that in the 60's & 70's comic books...so I have no idea about any of that

    • @crashnbyrne
      @crashnbyrne Год назад +7

      @@Robshere27 Why comment then?

    • @enkiimuto1041
      @enkiimuto1041 Год назад +1

      Except in the comics she could have cured herself in asgard but she wanted to "fight it like a human"

  • @RashaKahn
    @RashaKahn Год назад +15

    I think he was able to boost the kids using Zeus's thunderbolt, you can see it because the kids are charged with the yellow lightning instead of Thor's blue one.

  • @TheReviewDesk
    @TheReviewDesk Год назад +31

    Gorr's arc is from Thor: God of Thunder issues #1 to #11. It gives him much more depth instead of just 'the sword corrupted him.'

  • @ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
    @ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Год назад +448

    You know what'd be a better movie? A Thor-Guardians space adventure movie. Or, a good old fashioned Thor vs Gorr.
    Instead, we get a little bit of this, a little of bit of that, a lot of Jane Thor, and nothing focused.

    • @KiiroKiiroTorini
      @KiiroKiiroTorini Год назад +41

      I'm really surprise they didn't go that route, specially with how MCU has been taking everything lightly for comedic effect. Thor and Starlord would work as a comedic duo delivering flat line jokes without being self aware just like in Infinity War.

    • @lorcan8484
      @lorcan8484 Год назад +13

      And "King" black Valkyrie cringe. But I gave the movie an 8 tho

    • @mummeii
      @mummeii Год назад +2

      @@KiiroKiiroTorini it would’ve made more sense to do that… keep the mighty Thor! Jane/gorr elements and make that it’s own movie

    • @ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
      @ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Год назад +14

      @@KiiroKiiroTorini Thor and the Guardians had so much in common too. They're both losers at core. People who have lost stuff. Quill lost his mom to tumor, Thor is losing Jane to cancer.
      Since Ragnarok, Thor has a style that's a throwback to 80s B grade space operas while the Guardians is 70s B grade space operas. Both now into classic soundtrack, Thor just leans rock.
      But for some reason, they returned to Jane instead.

    • @professorpyg505
      @professorpyg505 Год назад +1

      I don't think the story is the problem. The way it's made the way the tone & theme is that's the problem. Jane Thor and everything else works if done good.

  • @firstlast9846
    @firstlast9846 Год назад +114

    *Natalie Portman* in stage 4 cancer and laying on a pillow - but her salon quality hair still looks amazing 💀

    • @wilsonruleman
      @wilsonruleman Год назад +10

      Thats a serious complaint about the movie?

    • @thechiel3004
      @thechiel3004 Год назад +34

      @@wilsonruleman Yes

    • @firstlast9846
      @firstlast9846 Год назад +24

      Wilson Ruleman - Yes.. I’ve see what chemotherapy does and you don’t have salon quality hair and good makeup after what it puts you through.

    • @ediotsaurus5913
      @ediotsaurus5913 Год назад +6

      She had only barely started chemo at the beginning but then starts using minjoir and not doing her treatments. Then it starts to accelerate her cancer. She wouldn’t have lost her hair after a few injections. It takes like 3 weeks or so for someone hair to fully fall out

    • @firstlast9846
      @firstlast9846 Год назад +13

      @@ediotsaurus5913 the pills and other medication they put you through would've had her looking much worse - MCU stans really go the extra mile to defend bad writing

  • @dikeledimusi3871
    @dikeledimusi3871 Год назад +140

    I feel like a lot of people are clinching on to Gorr being great, because they just need something in this movie to have blown them away. I really do understand that need, but honestly, Gorr was extremely underwhelming, and it wasn't Christian Bale's fault.

    • @psychoticmortacarn
      @psychoticmortacarn Год назад +16

      All his monsters died in one fuckin hit and barely did anything. There was absolutely no sense of threat or stakes! And then like halfway through the movie they're like "We've lost half our soldiers!" Uhhh... Okay? Am I actually supposed to believe that lmao
      And the whole thing with the kids was just stupid. What kind of Dora the Explorer shit WAS that? If he needed to lure Thor to him, then they should have had him separate Jane from Mjolnir and capture her instead, then he would have at least looked a little threatening and they could have done more with the cancer thing at the same time.
      Edit: AAANND with a dying Jane in his company, it could have been a nice parallel with his daughter and allowed for some compelling developmental flashbacks on that. It would have kept his motivation consistent, instead of just having him be like "Well, I guess I'm evil now. Oh wait, just kidding, I'm good again!"

    • @CabezasDePescado
      @CabezasDePescado Год назад +17

      Bale stole every scene, and the opening scene of the movie was good, but the character was just flat. No development, barely any screentime.

    • @zechrojas2202
      @zechrojas2202 Год назад +2

      Gorr was a great villain in the comics. The movie made him feel like nothing. It wasn't Christian Bale's fault at all. What are you talking about?!

    • @lucasmanuelpereiranavas7027
      @lucasmanuelpereiranavas7027 Год назад +5

      @@CabezasDePescado In my opinion, Gorr was at his best in the opening scene and his last scene. Although he wasn't as silly as the rest of the film, he felt a little bit silly.
      I think that Christian Bale has better performances.

    • @heatheraggus7501
      @heatheraggus7501 Год назад

      @@lucasmanuelpereiranavas7027 I agree. I thought he was silly in some scenes but I am not sure if that was Bale's interpretation or poor writing. (Example: with the kids where he's talking about having once had a daughter too, he seemed very hokey and "evil")

  • @BartvG88
    @BartvG88 Год назад +35

    Zeus’s lightning bolt can imbue power to others, and only the first to enter the center was granted a single wish. The first thing is not directly explained (though it is unmistakably a different weapon) and the second thing is explained in the movie directly

    • @kevinthiago413
      @kevinthiago413 Год назад +2

      Really contrived for a movie with this budget

    • @antona.8659
      @antona.8659 Год назад

      Show me where in the movie it says that Zeus's lighting bolt can grant powers?

    • @BartvG88
      @BartvG88 Год назад

      @@antona.8659 No, It can imbue others with power. The wish is granted to the first one who enters the portal.

  • @BonafideShaunDent
    @BonafideShaunDent Год назад +272

    Remember in Thor Ragnorak when Korg said he had a mom and she was the only one to show up for his revolution but now in Love and Thunder he explains that to create a baby two dudes hold hands over a lava pit and a baby is formed so they retconned a very small throw away joke line for a very small brief thrown in representation.

    • @MamadNobari
      @MamadNobari Год назад +51

      Lmao maybe his dad transitioned.

    • @BonafideShaunDent
      @BonafideShaunDent Год назад +6

      @@MamadNobari Maybe

    • @MelancholyRain
      @MelancholyRain Год назад +37

      In the comics, I believe Korg’s species are all male. I’m assuming maybe Korg lied about having a mom to get support for his revolution?

    • @thorodinson1933
      @thorodinson1933 Год назад +18

      Or he just considered one of the dads like a mom and that guy was like the motherly figure

    • @mcruz4571
      @mcruz4571 Год назад +48

      @@thorodinson1933 If the concept of a mother does not exist in his world... why would you need a mother figure?..🤔

  • @swimfreakcmb
    @swimfreakcmb Год назад +440

    About the wishing thing… they specifically states “one wish is granted to the FIRST person to enter it.” So no, Thor cannot make wishes, that’s why he didn’t try.

    • @stankix1701
      @stankix1701 Год назад +19

      First person ever? Does it work again? What if you leave and re-enter, do you get another wish? lol

    • @swimfreakcmb
      @swimfreakcmb Год назад +47

      @@stankix1701 I understood it as first person ever. Meaning nobody has entered it before and nobody will again.

    • @KBWrecker
      @KBWrecker Год назад +57

      @@swimfreakcmb That sounds so contrived

    • @emekabronson8697
      @emekabronson8697 Год назад +29

      ... also, Zeus's lighting bolt has the power to empower others , unlike Mjolnir and StormBreaker.

    • @mahfuzurchowdhury2765
      @mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Год назад +3

      @@emekabronson8697 yeah exactly

  • @unison90
    @unison90 Год назад +10

    I have to agree it does feel like they have regressed Thor's character. One thing that did bother me is Thor only wielding his lightning while holding his weapons. The whole point of Ragnork was Thor is the God of thunder not of hammers and axes.

  • @coachlaura749
    @coachlaura749 Год назад +51

    Honestly, hard agree with Jeremy’s take on the movie. I left the theater and the only thing I was excited about was that Hercules was Roy Kent (from Ted Lasso).

  • @medalgear654
    @medalgear654 Год назад +204

    I miss Thor from Thor 1 and Avengers 1. He was serious but also funny. He had that charisma, dunce quality, this higher above everyone in the room because he’s a god, but a noble humility to him. Does nobody remember the scene where he smashed a cup whiteout, realizing it was extremely rude to do so on earth? That was more hilarious than Thor having cheese whiz coursing in his veins or hitting himself with a ball.
    It’s almost like he got brain damage in Ragnarok and never recovered from it. And then, in Endgame, his depression and survivor's guilt were just played for laughs.

    • @natasha8966
      @natasha8966 Год назад +34

      Agree, I hate this Thor it’s so cringey.

    • @queenb2450
      @queenb2450 Год назад +19

      @@natasha8966 Yeah Thor was always hilarious because he was learning new human customs and Hemsworth did it so well without making it corny. Taika's Thor isn't that elegant royal the first two Thor movies had him be

    • @skychieftain
      @skychieftain Год назад +17

      Not to mention that his fight against the frost giants in Thor 1 is still the greatest display of Thor's powers in 11 years.

    • @hbf995
      @hbf995 Год назад +14

      Both Thor and Loki's characters are ruined by this director. I won't pay any penny to watch any film directed by him after Rangrok.

    • @johndanielsforJesus
      @johndanielsforJesus Год назад +1

      This thread is OUTSTANDING!!
      I love EVERY ONE of these "takes"!! 👍👍❤️❤️

  • @PejicVladimir
    @PejicVladimir Год назад +85

    That part when Morbius came in, and said "It's Morbin time" ... chills for me

    • @AriessGroup
      @AriessGroup Год назад +2

      wait, what, I think i miss the last credit scene tho..

    • @shamus248
      @shamus248 Год назад +2

      I agree

    • @Dr.Yakub22
      @Dr.Yakub22 Год назад +14

      Stop the joke is old now and it never was funny in the first place

    • @VinnyGuardino
      @VinnyGuardino Год назад

      @@Dr.Yakub22 Shut up omar

    • @andrei5344
      @andrei5344 Год назад +2

      It would actually have made the movie better

  • @kbdemonbain4568
    @kbdemonbain4568 Год назад +22

    you pretty much hit it on the head, there was fun things about this movie there were moments where it was good but also moments where you are just like.....what? it felt like a very disjointed movie
    and i think gorr the god butcher was a bit wasted
    and i 100% agree he had more than enough motivation to kill all the gods he didn't need the added oh he's just being corrupted so he can be redeemed at the end

  • @othellologos8225
    @othellologos8225 Год назад +8

    Bro'man, you have by FAR some of the best movie commentary and reviews I've ever listened to. It's not constant bashing or praise for what you have a real clear opinion about, but also regard for the what other people might gravitate toward in that movies genre. Basically; "Look for this, Be aware of that." Just good $#!+. I learned something just listening to talk about movies. Crazy. 🤯🏆✌🏽

  • @benstory6989
    @benstory6989 Год назад +57

    Your review is so right on. When Thor rides a hammer broom stick, I knew we were in big trouble.

  • @EricCarter12
    @EricCarter12 Год назад +82

    This is the FIRST Spoiler Talk I am watching despite NOT having seen the movie. That's how LITTLE I care about the MCU right now.

    • @PejicVladimir
      @PejicVladimir Год назад +5

      Me too

    • @moskito80
      @moskito80 Год назад

      But... But... But, are you going to see it anyways?

    • @marla591
      @marla591 Год назад +2

      Same

    • @adityasuresh8106
      @adityasuresh8106 Год назад

      Well u cared enough to reply

    • @EricCarter12
      @EricCarter12 Год назад +5

      @@adityasuresh8106 I cared about the person, not the movie.

  • @slip-n-slide4807
    @slip-n-slide4807 Год назад +10

    When you finish a spoiler warning by saying, "not saying you have to leave" that pretty much tells you all you need to know... if spoilers aren't enough to ruin a movie then it's safe to assume the movie isnt worth watching

  • @N-GinAndTonicTM
    @N-GinAndTonicTM Год назад +2

    I have a feeling there's a director's cut or a load of deleted scenes on the DVD of Gorr, because Bale in his interviews was talking about a load of stuff we never actually saw him do.
    Which sucks, because by god - no pun intended - he was absolutely phenomenal on this film.

  • @hirjir8569
    @hirjir8569 Год назад +354

    This was their chance to make the darkest Thor movie because Gorr was the perfect villain. But sadly Gorr was wasted and too much jokes added which degrade some scenes. I enjoyed watching nevertheless

    • @joeykyle492
      @joeykyle492 Год назад +14

      Would have been so boring with yet another grounded, dark and gritty superhero movie.
      It was a 2 hour popcorn blast this one. Definitely top 10 of the mcu I would say

    • @lennyavendano2052
      @lennyavendano2052 Год назад +52

      @@joeykyle492Would have been too with YET another dark, gritty movie? How many dark gritty movies are there compared to the number of popcorn light movies (nothing wrong with that) ? Some would argue that the latter is far more common that the former would be refreshing

    • @siegthefool2078
      @siegthefool2078 Год назад +11

      They had PTSD from Thor the dark world. They didn’t want to go so serious they turned stale again…. But the storyline in the comics is so good. They didn’t do it justice.

    • @joeykyle492
      @joeykyle492 Год назад +2

      @@lennyavendano2052 I don’t quite understand your comment?
      When it comes to the mcu and also superhero movies before it (Batman trilogy, Spider-Man trilogy ect). All of them is more realistic takes on superhero movies in a modern world or whatever.
      Didn’t really happens before GOTG 1 that we saw a silly, fun, adventure movie about superheroes.
      Some of us like the idea of superheroes not taking themselves to seriously

    • @ilcarnifex
      @ilcarnifex Год назад +33

      @@joeykyle492 sure everyone loves fun and jokes but not at the expense of making thor a complete fucking idiot, this could've been soo much better if followed the comics storyline which was absolutely amazing.

  • @thekidfromcanada
    @thekidfromcanada Год назад +438

    As Jeremy has said before, nailing comedy and comedic tone is difficult: if a serious film is bad, it can still be cheesy and loved for it. If a comedy isn't done well, it's boring and simply forgotten.

    • @bigtomDW
      @bigtomDW Год назад +6

      It was funny for me. A lot of aus nz comedy.

    • @thekidfromcanada
      @thekidfromcanada Год назад +21

      @@bigtomDW and that's fine, but were the serious emotional moments less for it? Because that balance of tone is difficult to achieve and if the joke doesn't land (humor being subjective) it undercuts the emotion.

    • @1197victor
      @1197victor Год назад +3

      @@thekidfromcanada nope, imo the second half of the movie was completely serious

    • @jaminelvers7250
      @jaminelvers7250 Год назад +6

      @@thekidfromcanada I'm genuinely not getting where this complaint is coming from. Every scene with Gorr was dead serious, they handled Jane's cancer seriously, and the bond between her and Thor was great. The comedy doesn't undercut any of that.

    • @jeffsmithfpv
      @jeffsmithfpv Год назад +3

      Just finished seeing love and thunder. Personally I think they did a great job. I loved it. Yes I wish I could’ve seen more Gor, but all together I’d give it a 9/10 for a Thor film.

  • @ZenakuShinobi
    @ZenakuShinobi Год назад +1

    9:46 good quote. I counter with a Line from Samael in Darksiders " Say what you will about Balance and your ridiculous Law. I recognize a quest for revenge when I see one. And revenge, I respect!"

  • @ccshumshum8104
    @ccshumshum8104 Год назад +68

    a few things of note which i think you got wrong
    1. the building which thor broke is no longer as important as it once was, the gods the temple was built for had died
    2. thor was able to "mentally project" himself because of heimdall's kid. thats his power.
    3. its specified in the movie that the first person to arrive at the center of the universe will have his wish granted. since gorr was the first, and thor the second, thor can't wish for anything else. the phrasing also seems to imply that only 1 wish can be granted.
    4. gorr's motivation didn't come from his sword. the sword called to him initially because he was vengeful, which was borne of him alone, and after losing the sword he was originally still going to kill all gods until becoming convinced by thor.

    • @jilvermazariegos
      @jilvermazariegos Год назад +3

      Yup bingo a few things he got wrong.

    • @mathastronomie
      @mathastronomie Год назад +1

      So in all the million of years that this wish machine existed no one tried to do it until gorr or those who have tried failed? Why does the mcu universe have a wishing machine for only one person? Does it have any limitations? I don’t know if we will ever have answers to these questions

    • @Ocapela215
      @Ocapela215 Год назад +1

      @@mathastronomie Yes

    • @IronBronx
      @IronBronx Год назад +3

      And another thing he got wrong.
      Thor used Zeus's lightning bolt to embue the kids with powers.

    • @mathastronomie
      @mathastronomie Год назад

      @@IronBronx even that just raised more questions. How did he know to use Zeus thingy to do this? Also it was never mentioned that Thor could do magic but I guess he could always do it

  • @hilotakenaka
    @hilotakenaka Год назад +842

    This is something I mentioned before, but I’ve heard similar sentiments with other reviewers: Ragnarok balanced the comedy and action, but *because* it was more comedic and light hearted than the other Thor films, Taika assumed that the comedy was the sole reason why Ragnarok was successful. Because of that, Taika assumed that “oh they don’t care about the action. They like dumb Thor.” and so he cut out the action for Love and Thunder.
    It also doesn’t help since Thor is in a fairly dark place mentally so all the comedy doesn’t really fit.
    Hell, the original Thor is a breath of fresh air compared to this one. If you view it less like a superhero film and more like a Shakespearean play, then it’s far more entertaining

    • @bighand1530
      @bighand1530 Год назад +43

      I think Taika was a victim of his own success. And I accepted a while ago that Thor was gonna be less Shakespearean

    • @ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
      @ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Год назад +66

      Taika never came across to me as some guy who'd just do laughs for the sake of laughs. None of his movies are, until this one.
      Hell, Ragnarok may have been a soft reboot, they may have did it a comedy to distance itself from the 1st two movies, but it wasn't just all for laughs.
      Thor made a facade in that movie. The humour was used to cope and hide his pain. In here, he's just goofy for goofy sake!

    • @shahidmirza1138
      @shahidmirza1138 Год назад +1

      And that’s why I liked it lol. I am entertained by his style of humour.

    • @japudjuha
      @japudjuha Год назад +1

      Well said

    • @dildobaggins2759
      @dildobaggins2759 Год назад +14

      Thor one is underrated where that Shakspearean humour was shown best and the story was much more grounded.

  • @aleckramer333
    @aleckramer333 Год назад +226

    Worst joke in the movie was the Bluetooth speaker bit. Literally rolled my eyes. I liked it there’s just too many jokes sometimes. Gorr was so cool and creepy. Having his army being beaten by children took me out completely

    • @Jaxymann
      @Jaxymann Год назад +7

      And the fact it wasn't just a joke that came, spent it's laugh, and left, but no - they *really* wanted you to laugh at it. They *dragggged* it out to the point it wasn't funny.

    • @Thynqikan
      @Thynqikan Год назад +35

      I hated Infinity Cones the most. Like any Asgardian would open an ice cream store named Infinity Cones after all the death Thanos heaped upon, it would be like a Jewish person opening a store called "Hitlers". Just shake my head.

    • @julia-xd8vo
      @julia-xd8vo Год назад +2

      I don't even remember that joke.

    • @jdunnatl
      @jdunnatl Год назад +1

      Everything in this movie is a disappointment. Im sooo pissed....

    • @The1234philly
      @The1234philly Год назад

      I bet they did that joke for the memes and gifs :(
      spend it on story telling!

  • @marcomugarra7919
    @marcomugarra7919 Год назад +50

    Thank you Jeremy. Everything you said was perfect. Not sure what’s going on at marvel right now but I’ve sorta lost hope with the MCU and it’s sad to see something i grew up loving turn to shit.

    • @Deadganon
      @Deadganon Год назад

      that is true, this is the first marvel movie (since they started connecting everything that is) that I really say is truly terrible and i never want to rewatch it again... the only other one i would never rewatch is the first incredible hulk but not cuz it is bad, it is just cuz i never found the hulk personally as a interesting enough person when he was 95% of the movie. I never thought i would say i would never rewatch a thor movie before tho.... geez Marvel is turning into Modern Star wars now.... pure crap.

    • @MyZ001
      @MyZ001 Год назад +1

      @@Deadganon Tell you what... I'd rewatch Love and Thunder before I rewatch Thor 2, still the raining worst MCU movie in my book

  • @kaptainamerika6638
    @kaptainamerika6638 Год назад +1

    Thank you dude. I literally watched it being like there’s so much that just isn’t it and you nailed it.

  • @Nevermore941012
    @Nevermore941012 Год назад +18

    Thor talking to Stormbreaker gave me some strong the deep from the boys vives 🤣🤣🤣

    • @Joe_V95
      @Joe_V95 Год назад

      Bahahahaha! Oh God, it's that bad? Lol

  • @hmmmmmmmmmm_
    @hmmmmmmmmmm_ Год назад +115

    I always thought Thor's Story was a tragedy but now I realize it's a comedy

  • @noobymation9883
    @noobymation9883 Год назад +1

    This had the best ending of all time. Im talking about Jeremy's cereal bit with his voice over transition ofc.

  • @fyrijou5202
    @fyrijou5202 Год назад +1

    9:45 i did not expect to hear a random Soul Reaver reference, but i very much appreciate it

  • @iNabber
    @iNabber Год назад +183

    Always appreciate some Thor 1 love, genuinely love that movie. Lots of soul, and yeah flaws but i think it's one of the best "origin story" films

    • @XiongGou
      @XiongGou Год назад +10

      I liked Thor 1 the best of all the Thor movies. He learns what it means to actually be a hero and a King.
      I just wish the rest of the Thor series didn't spend all it's time dismantling who Thor was meant to be and undermining his character growth.

    • @chaburchak
      @chaburchak Год назад +5

      Marvel has a tendency to shit on the original directors who did the heavy lifting to get the MCU going -- Jon Favreau, Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branagh. You'd think they would've gotten another shot as reward but nope, nothing for you here, move along...

    • @pandadanda-xc3uq
      @pandadanda-xc3uq Год назад +1

      It's opinions like this which would have kept the eboys together if you were in it

  • @connorcaldwell588
    @connorcaldwell588 Год назад +416

    Jeremy’s right about how the MCU feels directionless. I’m still hoping to see the Avengers fight either Kang the Conqueror or Galactus or the Secret Invasion, but that hope is starting to fade.

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp Год назад +27

      I'm pretty sure Secret Invasion is just gonna be a show. And given their disappointingtrack record of all their other shows, i have no hope for it.

    • @Mad77max77
      @Mad77max77 Год назад +6

      I'm pretty sure they know that they won't recreate what we had in Phase 1 2 and 3.
      It was Phase 1 2 and 3.
      The other phases won't be like 1 2 and 3. It'm sure thay they know it, so they don't even try to recreate it. It wouldn't work, because the casting wouldn't be the same. Or they would have to bring a Tony Stark from another universe.

    • @theBoarSkinner
      @theBoarSkinner Год назад +20

      @@Mad77max77 not true at all. This movie could've been so much more but they just blew it. They could've just kept going but its like they're trying to reboot it for this generation of kids instead of continuing on with what they had.

    • @iamafish7
      @iamafish7 Год назад +5

      You mean Secret Wars? That would likely involve Kang. Also Dr Strange 2 brought up incursions, a foundational point for Secret Wars.
      Edit: I'd be all for a comic accurate giant purple planet eater. I think it was Nando who came up with a way to bring in Galactus.

    • @scruffd0g193
      @scruffd0g193 Год назад

      You have to hope they know what they are doing.

  • @fiucik1
    @fiucik1 Год назад +1

    HUUUGEEE RESPECT for quoting Kain from the great Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver series Jeremy! I played this games 20 years ago and still remember much of this great dialog between Kain and Raziel. Thanks man.

  • @VinMiester
    @VinMiester Год назад +7

    Pretty sure the whole Thor giving people his powers thing, he’d beed Thunderbolt to do that, all the lightening in that scene was yellow not blue so u know… and also both those characters didnt need the item to corrupt them, the items just gave them the like green light u know.

    • @DracoSafarius
      @DracoSafarius Год назад

      Yeah it's what I thought. He doesn't have the same skill with magic as Odin did, so he used the Thunderbolt as a catalyst for it since it's such a powerful item.

  • @ChaosX2Limited
    @ChaosX2Limited Год назад +282

    I don't think it's as simple as "The Sword Corrupted Gorr" Gorr wanted the gods to die, the one thing the movie shows us about Gorr is he's devout. He lost everything and still praised his god, it's only when he came face to face with his god that he realised he was misguided. That unyielding belief turned into hate and that's why the Sword chose him. The Sword doesn't exonerate him. Just gave him the power to do what he wanted. I'm sure the sword influenced him somewhat clouding his judgement but he killed the gods because he wanted them dead

    • @MrMisterBatman
      @MrMisterBatman Год назад +17

      I agree. Even after the sword was destroyed, he still wanted to wish for all the gods to die. He only changed his mind after Thor and Jane talked him down. The sword didn't corrupt him, it just gave him the means and power to do what he wanted.

    • @jeffnajarro1241
      @jeffnajarro1241 Год назад

      @@MrMisterBatman doesn't the sword have to corrupt him, as in that's the description of what the sword does?

    • @MrMisterBatman
      @MrMisterBatman Год назад +6

      @@jeffnajarro1241 I interpreted it as the sword was corrupting him physically. As in it was slowly killing him. However, his desire to kill the gods came from himself, not the sword

    • @jeffnajarro1241
      @jeffnajarro1241 Год назад

      @@MrMisterBatman the sword at least amplifies your own selfish desires? That's why it seeks out certain holders maybe

    • @marcdiantello7255
      @marcdiantello7255 Год назад

      It was trash

  • @jonahuniqorn952
    @jonahuniqorn952 Год назад +282

    The corrupting sword is from the comics, but that was years and years after Gorr had possession of the sword before it's influence began to eclipse his revenge motivation. In fact it really only became apparent after he pretty much accomplished his revenge and still was evil becoming more or less a god himself. The lore of the sword is deep and connects to Venom and the silver surfer and galactus. The sword could have been its own 10 year MCU arc, if Marvel owned all it's characters.

    • @crashnbyrne
      @crashnbyrne Год назад +17

      Even if the MCU owned all the characters, they would mess it up. Disney have ruined the MCU after Endgame, (Which was the nail in the coffin IMO). For instance, Hawkeye, wasn't about Hawkeye, Falcon and The Winter soldier wasnt about either of the title characters, jesus, even Moonknight was more about the Scarlet scarab. Funnily enough though, Ms. Marvel and She Hulk are (and will) focus on the title characters. Anyone see a pattern forming?

    • @thehansolo0513
      @thehansolo0513 Год назад +22

      @@crashnbyrne hawkeye not being abt clint's hawkeye is a fair point, but falcon and the winter soldier was definitely at least about falcon if not both of them, and moon knight was 100% abt moon knight bruh they had an entire episode that was literally just about deconstructing his mental state (and scarlet scarab was a supporting character who got like ten minutes of screen time as an actual hero in the last episode). jesus man if ur gonna try and make a point at least dont blatantly make up evidence from ur own confirmation bias goddamn

    • @anjolatope-babalola2338
      @anjolatope-babalola2338 Год назад +2

      @@thehansolo0513 do not agree with his explanation, but his point stands majority of phase 4 has been a bum, expect Spiderman. That's the only genuinely good movie, its funny that Shang chi is one of the better movies/show In this phase. And at that time i did not really like it, if I knew how bad it would get

    • @superstygian3751
      @superstygian3751 Год назад +2

      @@crashnbyrne Hawkeye not being about Clint was the entire point of the show. Kate Bishop is given the name of Hawkeye by Clint at the end of the series. So did you miss that, are you dense, or just randomly spouting an opinion you saw online

    • @joshuacrisanto7419
      @joshuacrisanto7419 Год назад

      @@superstygian3751 exactly what im thinking. and i definitely saw crashnbyrne's statements before from other people

  • @TheDeplorableNeanderthal
    @TheDeplorableNeanderthal Год назад +6

    Kids making the monsters actually makes perfect sense… kids are afraid of the dark so that’s prolly exactly what they would manifest.
    The biggest error… which they repeated several times… was you can’t enter Valhalla if you don’t die in battle. And then Jane didn’t die in battle and entered Valhalla.

    • @tldrinfographics5769
      @tldrinfographics5769 Год назад +1

      Odin?

    • @hugorhurtado939
      @hugorhurtado939 Год назад

      she was in a battle with cancer

    • @GalinaEv
      @GalinaEv Год назад

      @@hugorhurtado939 that's not how it works) i was so annoyed at that. So if sif does not die in the battle she wont get into valhalla, but jane does wtf

  • @DEML91
    @DEML91 Год назад +9

    This why I love Jeremy reviews because even though he doesn't know the comics he still understood the whole point behind Gorr motivations but apparently that was to hard to understand for Taika and its writers.
    As a fan of Gorr in the comics I hated this movie , not just because they butchered Gorr but also because they ruined all the character building Thor had on previous movies, but this was a bad movie even if I didn't knew the comics , everything just happens there no logic to anything, they break pre established rule, plot macguffins all the time and if this wasn't enough it had a tone of exposition scenes.
    Read the comic called Thor God of Thunder: the God Butcher, you will see how good the story of the original Gorr was and why people love it.

  • @Brojenko
    @Brojenko Год назад +160

    I’ve always loved how the first Thor movie looked. I think it was one of the last they shot on film instead of digital. Story’s amazing too, definitely a top 5 MCU movie for me

    • @TOP0PERCENT
      @TOP0PERCENT Год назад +7

      Yeah, I remember watching it. It was great. Although I still like Infinity War Thor better.

    • @maxzdr3646
      @maxzdr3646 Год назад +1

      Wdym on film instead of digital?

    • @Brojenko
      @Brojenko Год назад +9

      @@maxzdr3646 they shot the first phase of MCU movies entirely on film until captain America the first avenger. That was when they made the switch to shoot exclusively on digital.

    • @kenlynw9555
      @kenlynw9555 Год назад

      Same i didn’t love that movie but i felt were they was going wish they’d just making better movies with the same them

    • @srsieg1155
      @srsieg1155 Год назад

      Facts

  • @pwnfromabove819
    @pwnfromabove819 Год назад +204

    I definitely lean where it seems everyone else does. Ragnarok struck such a good balance of comedy and drama, but Taika leaned way too hard on the comedy for this one as a result. Was it a bad movie? No. Was it a great movie? Also no. Did I enjoy watching it? Sure, but I wished Thor gained some more mature character traits at this point in his arc

    • @sergiorosales8658
      @sergiorosales8658 Год назад +14

      Agree, as Jeremy said... Thor's kinda devolving

    • @16dylan2
      @16dylan2 Год назад +5

      While I do think a lot of the humor and things Thor does in this movie does devolve his character, like the poor pep talk he gives to the kids early on and the scenes Jeremy mentions, I thought his reaction to Jane's cancer and his wish for Jane to fight it is mature and true to character.

    • @alexman378
      @alexman378 Год назад +9

      What drama? Thor’s father, friends and entire planet get killed, he loses his eye and it’s all played for jokes.

    • @Naomi-xu4hq
      @Naomi-xu4hq Год назад

      @@alexman378 Odin and his mothers death is sad with over a minute to process their deaths and a ceremony for the mothers, Even when hela is mudering you see the fear in everyone’s eyes. The only thing brought as a joke was the destruction of Asgard.

    • @alexman378
      @alexman378 Год назад +5

      @@Naomi-xu4hq His mother’s death was indeed a sad moment that was played out respectfully. Waititi wasn’t yet involved, that’s why.

  • @NotKR-10z
    @NotKR-10z Год назад +7

    I think he "reverted" because he's was portrayed as lost and uncertain, he's written to be someone recovering from trauma. I'd lose a couple things up there too if I went through what he did. That and Gorr was only corrupted on a physical scale, his villainous intent was his own decision as a character. I do agree that the comedy took too many steps forward but the execution in tone was to make fun cultist that believe silly things without higher reasoning or material, a meta of sorts that was intentionally separate to show complete differences in parallels. still loving the vids tho as always. I'm happy we get a place to freely express our opinions, we don't deserve it :,)

  • @micky0000
    @micky0000 Год назад +1

    I respect you for having the add at the end , it makes people who are bothered by them have a choice of skipping them , much respect man

  • @brucecrawford7755
    @brucecrawford7755 Год назад +182

    I think this is such a weird MCU film with dealing a serious subject like cancer & having a 1,000 jokes in the film around it! That’s Disney/Marvel Studios for you though! 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @everythingisawesome2903
      @everythingisawesome2903 Год назад +31

      Even in Ragnarok, Destruction of Asgard was treated as an fucking joke.

    • @averagegoslingenthusiast2033
      @averagegoslingenthusiast2033 Год назад +17

      Disney has ruined popular culture. It’s so sad that the only movies people want to see are big blockbusters with dinosaurs/marvel superheros

    • @katsasgeorge
      @katsasgeorge Год назад +4

      As opposed to GOTG vol .1 . . .
      Which was a SERIOUS film, from start to finish, correct?

    • @willyfafok
      @willyfafok Год назад +14

      Like fr we can't even feel the threat of Gorr cause bassicaly we didn't get the scene where he travel and killing gods like literally ZERO. And too much jokes makes me exausthed tbh

    • @gleekthemonkey4570
      @gleekthemonkey4570 Год назад +6

      Nah, the humor never overshadowed the dramatic scenes.

  • @MaxWelton
    @MaxWelton Год назад +94

    9:26 it was made pretty clear that Gorr’s “evil” intent to kill the gods was in him from the beginning. He wanted to kill the god that let Love die; that’s why All-Black chose him. I think he would’ve tried to kill the gods even if All-Black didn’t “corrupt” him, whatever the fuck THAT actually means.

    • @vichukuttan9625
      @vichukuttan9625 Год назад +1

      Its not all black necrosword it is mcu necrosword. All black necrosword was there then joke king thor valkryie and lady thor my most hated character will be drownes on blood. The real gorr didn't appear in mcu

    • @skychieftain
      @skychieftain Год назад +1

      @@vichukuttan9625 keep dreaming

    • @miketrapper0464
      @miketrapper0464 Год назад +1

      @@vichukuttan9625 i prefer the necronomicon from evil dead

    • @acemagalor2519
      @acemagalor2519 Год назад

      @@vichukuttan9625 I’m detecting some salt there friend

    • @nieznajomy4398
      @nieznajomy4398 Год назад

      From what I understood by “corrupt” it meant that this sword was killing him.

  • @philsowers
    @philsowers Год назад +2

    I too got big Super Mario Galaxy vibes on the small planet in the shadow realm. Definitely felt like Thor vs a game boss with pops of color from Stormbreaker on the Flash Black levels where they also use spotlights & shadows.

  • @Ispy-pixels420
    @Ispy-pixels420 Год назад

    I've been watching your channel for years and I love your views on the movies. You've saved me so much money over the years and I may not enjoy every review I do enjoy you. Never stop being you 😊

  • @pawandhami2977
    @pawandhami2977 Год назад +29

    This movie felt like you went in to watch 300, and ended up seeing 'Meet the spartans', albeit made on a similar budget

  • @JBrotsis1
    @JBrotsis1 Год назад +192

    It’s great to see Hercules enter the MCU, but I was really hoping that post credit scene was going to FINALLY be given to Beta Ray Bill.
    I’ve pretty much given up on BRB at this point.

    • @davidb8656
      @davidb8656 Год назад +16

      I think BRB died on Sakaar before the events of Ragnarok. There’s a bust of him during one scene as a former champion and supposedly Thor/Hulk were the first ones to escape alive after becoming gladiators.

    • @tigeranthony
      @tigeranthony Год назад +12

      ....and I've pretty much given up on Marvel at this point

    • @loganwendigo937
      @loganwendigo937 Год назад +15

      The MCU can’t handle Beta Ray Bill’s pure Chad energy

    • @blackmanwithcomputer
      @blackmanwithcomputer Год назад +2

      I'm still wondering about Baldur.

    • @sotorc1448
      @sotorc1448 Год назад +2

      Why would marvel do that? Half the people will just bitch if they don't do it perfectly.

  • @sammeyphammey349
    @sammeyphammey349 Год назад +3

    They gave gorr(who is never called gorr btw) the sword to give him an archilles heel. Otherwise he’d be too op to defeat. Same with the dark hold and Wanda

  • @shyaminator
    @shyaminator Год назад +1

    If you want a good comic book arc with Gorr, just read all of Jason Aaron's run on Thor starting from 2012 until the King Thor epilogue in 2020. Gorr is the main villain in the first 2 story arcs, and appears at the end too, but there's also some fun stuff with Malekith and Loki in between. The Jane Thor arc is also much better executed in this comic run. There are a few reading orders online you can follow

  • @snowandlightsmusic
    @snowandlightsmusic Год назад +210

    Anyone have an idea explaining this? There was a scene where Thor specifically told siv that if she didn't die in battle, and only died on the battlefield from her injuries afterwards, she wouldn't get in to Valhalla... It was the only dialogue in that whole scene. Then why did Jane get in to Valhalla at the end when she didnt die in battle? She died of cancer after the fight had ended. Not even from wounds from the battle? Seems weird to go out of your way to define a world building rule only to then ignore it straight away

    • @Halucidnate
      @Halucidnate Год назад +97

      I interpreted it as dying "battling" cancer? Valhalla approved of this form of "battle".

    • @anakinthemannequin69
      @anakinthemannequin69 Год назад

      She died shattering that sword. It just took her a few minutes to completely die. I think that counts.

    • @reuben8648
      @reuben8648 Год назад +60

      @@Halucidnate That…doesn’t make sense but sure. It’s an explanation at least.

    • @vincentrangel5655
      @vincentrangel5655 Год назад +29

      I mean she gave her life to save Thor even though she knew it was gonna end up dying of the cancer duh

    • @jaydenmachado7925
      @jaydenmachado7925 Год назад

      @@Halucidnate she died battling cancer

  • @elithenerd8956
    @elithenerd8956 Год назад +162

    The whole idea of Jane having cancer and the hammer undoing the treatment was accurate to the comics. It’s a good way to put a timer on Jane as Thor. Also Gorr just found the sword. He already had the anger towards the gods since he felt they abandoned him. If you want to read these comics read Jason Aaron’s run on Thor. The series is Thor God of Thunder from 2012.

    • @psychoriot866
      @psychoriot866 Год назад +29

      Just because its accurate to the comics still doesn't make it a good idea.

    • @alexpaez7488
      @alexpaez7488 Год назад +10

      Problem is that the gorr from the comics isn't the gorr in the movie... this gorr was praying to the gods 10 seconds before deciding to murderer all of them out of nowhere.

    • @iamafish7
      @iamafish7 Год назад

      @@alexpaez7488 His god pretty much said "Go fuck yourself, you pathetic ant" to his face. I think that would make me want to turn atheism into the correct belief no matter how devout I was 10 seconds before.
      Add-on: Also, there's plenty excuse to hate Zeus from actual mythology alone.

    • @tinamoul
      @tinamoul Год назад +2

      It was used differently in the comics, just lifting a storyline doesn't mean it's done well.

    • @ShellsGhost1
      @ShellsGhost1 Год назад +2

      I think it was done well. And I believe it was implied that the sword didn't corrupt Gore. The sword leant Gore it's power because their views aligned. It just amplified what was already there. Having Thor fight so hard to save people and be the God that Gore hoped existed was what changed his mind at the end. Not the sword being destroyed. This is why this worked for me when most object makes villain bad when they're actually good. And unlike any other the villain is right plot line Gore is actually right here. A real French Revolution vibe.

  • @MrLaMund
    @MrLaMund Год назад

    Great review; this is the first MCU film I’ve not bothered to go and see as the trailer seemed to emphasise all the points you’ve made, so it didn’t appeal. By far the most entertaining bit of this review was your enthusiastic seaway into the sponsorship.👌🤛😂 On another note, I really enjoyed Dr Strange MOM, so my faith is in Raimi at the moment.

  • @WhelmedButReady
    @WhelmedButReady Год назад +10

    I am as close to heartbroken as one could be over how they handled Jane Foster's Might Thor. There's a version of this movie in more willing hands than Taika Watiti that could've made an exceptionally gripping story centered around Thor and Jane's reunion as well as her inevitable fate to the backdrop of the God Butcher threat. Instead, we got this lazily insulting film that continues to shred whatever's left of Thor's lore and credibility (comics and the MCU). So disappointing.

    • @wolvesboy87a92
      @wolvesboy87a92 Год назад +2

      Great comment. This is the worst Marvel movie ever made. The journey Thor went on from Thor 1 to Endgame was meaningful and now they've just destroyed it all.

  • @jvillaz
    @jvillaz Год назад +252

    I understood that in Thor Ragnarok planet Sakaar was a strange and silly place. Trash and scum ended up there from all parts of the universe. It was open to strange occurrences and silly circumstances. Then Asgard was destroyed and things got serious. Infinity war and Endgame were well thought out movies with a laugh here and there, but a serious plot and characters to overcome the evil that had taken control of the universe. Thor, being one of the most powerful MCU characters, stepped up and did his thing in both of the Thanos driven movies.
    Now what for Thor? Back to being silly is by far the most senseless, whimsical trait the writers could have done to this character. Not only was Sakaar silly, everything about Thor is now silly. Friends are silly. Fighting is silly. Gods are silly. Cultures are silly. Tradition is silly. Kids are silly. Even death is silly. The whole point of this movie is silly. Thor (the protagonist and hero of the film, dare I say the MCU) is now the most silly SOB there ever was. The only serious character in this god forsaken movie is the antagonist, Gorr. I don't even want to start on how they waisted Gorr as a character and Christian Bale as an actor, just completely and utterly wasted!
    What is the message here? That life and the unavoidable troubles that life brings are just silly things getting in the way of laughs and love. Even if this was strictly a kids movie, what message is that for a kid?
    I went in this movie hoping for another great one, at the very least an entertaining film. What I got was lame jokes, bad acting (not from Bale he is the best), horrible storyline, and one of the worst (if not the worst) MCU movie I've ever seen. Taika Waititi has completely lost it, maybe it's the money and fame, but he is not a good writer.
    Serious question - Is there anyway the producers can make this movie just a bad dream where Thor wakes up, realizes life is hard, drops the silly-all-the-time attitude, and goes back to being the Mighty Thor?

    • @michaeltitler
      @michaeltitler Год назад +22

      I was really disappointed too.

    • @miketrapper0464
      @miketrapper0464 Год назад +31

      With everything he has been through, this movie was supposed to be serious

    • @onelikots
      @onelikots Год назад +9

      Yea I agree I would love to see a prime thor even better than infinity war that is collected, focused, confident like wtf he's simping to jane he's a god.. I watched the movie hoping the serious moments wont be ruin by quips and I was so wrong cause it seems like taika is so afraid to not joke for about 2mins, thor is my favorite character in the MCU and I consider this just a parody, still infinity war thor is the goat, not those cringey screaming ones.

    • @himathegreat2987
      @himathegreat2987 Год назад +19

      Hulk and Thor in the mcu are beyond repair at this point

    • @14dfree
      @14dfree Год назад +5

      Well said my friend well said

  • @morlath4767
    @morlath4767 Год назад +54

    Taika Waititi has a _MASSIVE_ problem with mixing tones. Like JJ has a problem with Mystery Boxes, Waititi isn't able to stop himself killing a serious moment through humour just so it doesn't "the mood down." And I think he's also doubling down with his wackiness to where it is damaging his movies. He's becoming a meme of himself.

    • @WhatisReal11
      @WhatisReal11 Год назад

      He is clearly an actual psychopath. There is something deeply evil about this film.

    • @user-sp4sp2qd6p
      @user-sp4sp2qd6p Год назад

      The problem with success, they double down and make things worst always. Why they should always consult atleast one critical fan of your product so don't misread why people liked your product

    • @toof987
      @toof987 Год назад

      I dunno, he seemed to pull it off pretty well with jojo rabbit. The balance was just WAY off in this film with far too much comedy and not enough time for the serious stuff to breathe.

    • @queenb2450
      @queenb2450 Год назад

      Kind of reminds me of Game of Thrones directors shooting themselves in the foot. Honestly, after this movie I hope Taika leaves Thor.

  • @shukis17
    @shukis17 Год назад +3

    Just not enough Christian Bale, loved his performance and his look. He looked crazy cool in the dark, his eyes were awesome. Best scene with him was the first scene. They should've done half the movie with him, I think he got a total of eight minutes.

  • @xPUNISHER84x
    @xPUNISHER84x Год назад +1

    Thank you for giving credit where it’s due. The first Thor will always be my favorite in the series.

    • @IronBronx
      @IronBronx Год назад

      It's the most boring one, IMO

  • @TCT24
    @TCT24 Год назад +139

    I think the Superhero genre just isn’t for Taika Waititi because he has done some good work as a director and writer in other projects. What We Do In The Shadows, Hunt For The Wilder People, episodes in the Mandalorian, Boy in 2010, and the critically acclaimed Jojo Robbit in 2019. He’s not a bad director or writer, I just don’t think blockbuster action movies are his strength in film.

    • @haidenhill6358
      @haidenhill6358 Год назад +6

      tiktok whytits ?!? lol

    • @15Candles
      @15Candles Год назад +11

      Well he managed to make a competent looking movie with very well made action sequences, it's just that he should've dialed down the humor

    • @yaugustin7370
      @yaugustin7370 Год назад +12

      Idk what happened this time but Ragnarok was awesome in terms of action...

    • @oranmcclintock302
      @oranmcclintock302 Год назад +4

      I think Taika might be absolutely spent on these big franchises, to him I think he see's them as an easy paycheck. He's more than capable of creating great movies, like every one you previously mentioned.

    • @joeykyle492
      @joeykyle492 Год назад +4

      I think these movies suit him just perfectly. It was a blast, it was heartfelt, had soul and it was such a beautiful movie at times. Great watch

  • @justinstoll4955
    @justinstoll4955 Год назад +193

    The first Thor is an underrated movie. It's a good character story with good/great character arcs. And it had a distinct style and feel, even if there were a little too many Dutch angles. And it gave us Loki, one of the best characters in the MCU. The Dark World is blah, but whatever. I loved Ragnarok and haven't seen this, so I'll pass judgment on this movie when I see it. I'd say the first Iron Man, Thor, and Capital America really are underrated for setting up the MCU. All those movies had distinct styles, tones, and directorial visions that were executed well. After the first Avengers (except for Guardians and Ragnarok) we got the MCU-mandated style. The MCU boilerplate style isn't always bad but is becoming a real problem with their Phase 4 movies.

    • @matthewrichardson8162
      @matthewrichardson8162 Год назад +4

      Took me a second to realize you meant "Dutch Angles" instead of "Dutch Angels" haha. I thought you were referring to Asgardians as Dutch Angels LOL

    • @cyborgyAKAJaredN
      @cyborgyAKAJaredN Год назад +4

      Interesting. Lot of accurate stuff there. I love those originals in phase 1. They are all super unique (at least at the time). But I will say phase 4 is interesting. Most of it has your cookie cutter MCU stuff, but between shang chi, eternals, spidey, strange 2, and now thor, all those movies have very different and specific styles

    • @justinstoll4955
      @justinstoll4955 Год назад

      @@matthewrichardson8162 Ha! Damn autocorrect.

    • @bigsully9945
      @bigsully9945 Год назад +3

      the first and second thor movies were bad. real bad.

    • @shabrinaz9877
      @shabrinaz9877 Год назад +4

      I have always said THERE IS NO BAD THOR MOVIE people are just bitter and jealous.
      But.. Love and Thunder is realy bad.
      Taika Waititi needs to stop dropping shit on everything and make Thor this pathetic joke.

  • @4000mack
    @4000mack Год назад

    How he popped that ad in was genius and hilarious!!!

  • @winninglifeyo
    @winninglifeyo Год назад +1

    I believe the Zeus Bolt gave him the ability to share his powers & that’s why it was gold effect over them. It was power from Zeus. I’m sure he still has the bolt as a new tool so he could do it again going forward

  • @Michael_Ian_Blackface
    @Michael_Ian_Blackface Год назад +14

    Marvel: don't call her "lady Thor"... because that is sexist(?) just call her the same name as the male hero.
    Also Marvel: next up... She-Hulk!

  • @NisGaarde
    @NisGaarde Год назад +47

    If Chris Hemsworth goes on SNL soon they don't need to write any skits. They can just pull a couple of scenes from Love & Thunder. And I don't mean that as a compliment.

    • @AdamIsInTheGulag
      @AdamIsInTheGulag Год назад +3

      SNL is about as funny as this movie so I don’t think that would even help. lol

  • @kobaltmaster34
    @kobaltmaster34 Год назад

    Laugh! Laugh at the humor I'm forcing down your throat... Laugh I say!
    ...damn, man! Loved that Legacy of Kain reference, such great writing. Ah, times long passed!

  • @BobbyWolf1
    @BobbyWolf1 Год назад +6

    I personally loved this movie. My lovely, wonderful mum passed away from cancer on the day this movie came out. I feel a very special connection with this movie. I don't care if its not perfect, it's a rollercoaster of emotions done properly and it makes me happy to watch it.

    • @mithex8414
      @mithex8414 Год назад

      no one cares

    • @farhanpwns
      @farhanpwns Год назад

      @@mithex8414 you clearly cared enough to reply to him lol. What was even the point of replying???

  • @tiagoriseabove
    @tiagoriseabove Год назад +35

    Bummed what they did to Gorr! CBale was great but we didn't see the butchering he did in the comics. I don't know man, these past two films were kinda lackluster. Maybe bcoz of the expectations. Gorr was OP in the comics man. In this movie, he can't even kill Valkyrie. Damn, the MCU should stop "nerfing" their villains.

    • @ilijacogelja6580
      @ilijacogelja6580 Год назад +5

      They didn't nerf Green Goblin at least . I thought he was perfect .

  • @timboslice9905
    @timboslice9905 Год назад +88

    I watched your other review where you said that this movie felt like a parody, that stayed with me. I went in expecting excessive jokes. Some of it was funny, but then after a while, you get tired of hearing the screaming goats and seeing Thor be an idiot.

    • @christographerx64
      @christographerx64 Год назад +11

      And here I thought we didnt have enough of the goats :D

    • @timboslice9905
      @timboslice9905 Год назад +2

      @@christographerx64 Lol. Hey, brother. If anyone enjoyed it, more power to them. They were funny, but it undercut the seriousness of the situation.

    • @Isidore22
      @Isidore22 Год назад +19

      When everything is a joke, nothing is funny

    • @timboslice9905
      @timboslice9905 Год назад

      @@Isidore22 Agreed

    • @FireJach
      @FireJach Год назад +1

      but he was an idiot in the first act. Later he was mature

  • @elbarto729
    @elbarto729 Год назад +2

    if they showed a timelapse of Gorr going through suffering leading up to the opening scene then that would fix the issue people see as an item corrupting him rather than him synergizing with the sword for the last straw was broken and his oathe to kill Gods began. point is the comic origin is better than the rushed movie one

  • @erc5445
    @erc5445 Год назад

    7:43 hinges is the word you’re looking for. Love the channel, finally watched the movie. Too many jokes

  • @Mtanic
    @Mtanic Год назад +100

    Why is literally EVERYONE missing that they explain a few times in the movie how the wishing at Eternity works? They literally say only the FIRST PERSON EVER to reach it can have one wish. Not every person. Just the first one and that's it.

    • @chiraqg1374
      @chiraqg1374 Год назад +27

      So the rule about eternity that everyone in the movie seems to know, and we have to assume that out of the tens of thousands gods, gorr was the first person ever to reach the wishing well? You made the plot hole worse kid.

    • @ShFred
      @ShFred Год назад +8

      @@chiraqg1374 I think his point is that why the fuck did Jane and Thor appear there with him?
      Which is true, the whole movie should've ended as soon as Gorr entered the center.

    • @askingshoe2
      @askingshoe2 Год назад +4

      Just saw the movie. And the thing is anyone can figure out and go to the center of the universe but they specifically made it to where only the bifrost for some reason can open the lock. pretty sure the Gods hold their orgies there considering they all know about it lol

    • @hang10wannabe
      @hang10wannabe Год назад +8

      @@chiraqg1374 No, it goes more to the gods just not caring. Totally fits their personalities.

    • @blakman1982
      @blakman1982 Год назад +3

      Eternity is an elder cosmic deity that is more of an abstract character than a f**king genie. More about keeping balance within the universe rather than granting some ones wish. You can't just throw an important character to the actual Marvel universe in movie to help move this plot along. It was just completely out of place to have Eternity in this movie for that reason

  • @christopherjohnson4896
    @christopherjohnson4896 Год назад +50

    Overall what I felt this movie handled well was the arc of Thor finally learning to grief and the relationship he had with Jane. What this movie felt short on were the other characters and their arcs. Gorr deserved more time than what he got especially when it came to his backstory. Valkyrie and Sif both felt like they're was more to their story that was cut off at the end. The movie has a bit to much Korg in it for me as well mainly because he is a flat character who doesn't offer any challenge to our main cast. The children felt unnecessary I'm sad to say. I like their interactions with Thor but the fact that they have an arc with payoff while Valkyrie doesn't leaves a bad taste in mouth. 6/10

  • @alejandrovivas8567
    @alejandrovivas8567 Год назад +12

    I actually liked this movie A LOT, the 2 things I didn't like was:
    1.- All the people that all the people that died DIDN'T
    2.- There's a horror movie hidden in this mess that I actually would've love to see rather than the Jokie Joke movie we got
    And for the horror part I was more dissapointed that anything else because in Doctor Strange the horror elements worked SO WELL, this movie could've had that and some of the jokes but went full on Dumb humor

  • @rachelnelson4796
    @rachelnelson4796 Год назад +7

    I was a bit underwhelmed by Gorr, he didn't feel like that much of a threat, but that could be said about a lot of MCU villains. Like the stakes technically were very high, but it didn't really feel like it. The humor didn't really bother me, but I was going in expecting a comedy and for it to be a fun watch. I'm also a New Zealander so I am very used to that style of humor. Was it a great film? Not really, but it was fun to watch

    • @cheeks3211
      @cheeks3211 Год назад +5

      I think the main issue was he killed a ton of gods......off screen. I feel the impact would have worked more if they had done a couple small scenes of him showing up killing the big god on the ice planet and taking sif's arm. That would set the stage well as him being a big threat.

  • @satyamkamboj5330
    @satyamkamboj5330 Год назад +22

    I wonder why did Thanos spend all those years to find those stones or fighting avengers when he could just try and find the centre of the universe and made a wish

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp Год назад +1

      Kind of breaks the universe

    • @letal2803
      @letal2803 Год назад +1

      Stormbreaker didn't exist at that point until the end of the Infinity War

    • @iamafish7
      @iamafish7 Год назад

      @@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Comics: Not known for consistency.

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp Год назад +1

      @@iamafish7 but connected film universes are different than comics. You wanna be more consistent because it is more obvious. It stands out more in movies. Whereas in comics, there's alternate universes, timelines, reboots, retcons. Comics have been around for decades. Now the movies are facing the same problem because it is not being properly planned out. There is no one paying attention to continuity, there used to be. That's why they made short films, to correct things. Now it's just an assembly line of stuff, and it's all bland marvel formula garbage.

    • @pagatryx5451
      @pagatryx5451 Год назад +1

      ​@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Exactly. Big problem with the MCU is that when you spent dozens of movies leading up to this two-part finale over the fate of the universe, you can't really beat that with some one off superhero movies so you shouldn't try.
      "No guys! Don't go! Look we have the multiverse! Look we have new fan favourite heroes like...like...The Eternals? And...She-Hulk? Look more funny jokes! More pretty special effects!"
      It just feels desperate at this stage and none of this should be happening. The only way they could have really saved the MCU in this phase is if they properly committed to a SERIES and right off the bat. Dive straight into a five movie long storyline concerning another multiverse to set something up and recapture our intention. I'd freshen it up and have a hostile dystopian universe invade the MCU, and after the Avengers/Guardians go in to attack the source, they all get split up. Watching the heroes turn to guerrilla warfare, freeing planets, going undercover, etc. Would be amazing to watch because it would actually allow for some fresh scenarios. But that's just my internal fanfic, they could do anything as long as they actually commit instead of fumbling around confused. Screw the comics, the MCU has already kinda gone past that and I don't think needing 5% of a movie to be somewhat supported by comics is necessary when we're just repeating storylines that are meant to have already transpired.

  • @snake-doctor
    @snake-doctor Год назад +165

    I’m with you Jeremy. Seems like we have a lot of the same feelings. I feel like I’m in the minority of the first Thor movie being my favorite Thor movie.

    • @NikkiGRocks4Ever
      @NikkiGRocks4Ever Год назад +19

      I don't think you are in the minority. The first Thor movie is the best. Because the filmmakers actually cared about making a great movie. Now not so much. The MCU fans have more imagination and vision than the current writers.

    • @arthurmingo
      @arthurmingo Год назад +8

      You are not alone. Thor 1 is still the first and best in my heart.

    • @tjofwakanda8027
      @tjofwakanda8027 Год назад +2

      It is the best. This shit was corny in a lot of ways

    • @mitchgarbeno3788
      @mitchgarbeno3788 Год назад +2

      This one was simply bad. If it weren’t for Bale and the large budge, this really would have been awful.

    • @snake-doctor
      @snake-doctor Год назад

      @@mitchgarbeno3788 Bale was pretty much the only thing I was looking for are you. I knew he was gonna be good in it and he was.

  • @tomislavvuksic660
    @tomislavvuksic660 Год назад

    Thank you for the honesty.

  • @thecableguyx3558
    @thecableguyx3558 Год назад +26

    When star lord says to Thor "you really dragged that out" I was just like, yep, that's going to be this whole film. One of my worse experiences on par with the last jedi.

  • @MrKidKnockout
    @MrKidKnockout Год назад +108

    Infinity War was the first time I saw issues with Thor’s continuity. The whole point of Ragnarok was to show that Thor didn’t need the hammer to be the God he was supposed to be. Losing Mijlnor was a big hit to Thor’s self-esteem and he feels powerless without it. However, as Oden said, “did I make you the god of hammers or the god of thunder”? The hammer was just a tool. Just like Ironman’s armour is just a tool. It’s the man behind the tool that makes the hero. So what happens in the next film? Thor spends two thirds of the film trying to make a bigger hammer to defeat the bad guy. So all of Ragnarok kinda feels redundant, and if I’m being honest, a waste of time. Unfortunately, it seems neither Marvel or Waititi learnt from this and instead pile on more continuity issues with Thor.
    The problem with this is that characters never feel like they grow. Look at how much Thor has gone through since Thor 1. He has lost both his parents, his brother and his evil sister, his home and his people, half of the universe and yet all Thor can show for it is now he has become Marvel’s Homer Simpson. A once loveable and funny character that is now dangerously stupid at all times.

    • @MaxWelton
      @MaxWelton Год назад +20

      Mjölnir helped Thor harness and control his innate power. Just because his hammer wasn’t his source of strength doesn’t mean a new weapon with similar properties would be useless. I agree that it’s awkward timing to have him accept not having his hammer only to be forced to make an axe, but I thought Infinity War made it clear that Stormbreaker made Thor stronger. He wouldn’t have been able to almost kill Thanos without it. That was the only attack that not only withstood the ENTIRE INFINITY GAUNTLET’S COUNTERMEASURE but kept moving as if ignoring the massive energy directed against it. So Thor’d be fine without a magic thunder weapon, but he needed a power boost in order to properly rematch Thanos.

    • @Subject_Keter
      @Subject_Keter Год назад +13

      Stormbreaker was built up to be a Weapon that would slaughter even Thanos and it just effortlessly defeated the Outriders and cut through the Completed Gauntlet beam attack.
      I think it was very much worth it.

    • @arthurmingo
      @arthurmingo Год назад +4

      In the film we see Thor using his powers without either hammer or ax after fighting Zeus.

    • @paolocontest3610
      @paolocontest3610 Год назад +1

      Well at the beginning of Infinity War, it looks like Thor was already beaten by Thanos, so for Thor to beat Thanos he needs Stormbreaker

    • @fatezero8662
      @fatezero8662 Год назад +2

      @@MaxWelton Then love and thunder made Thor more idiotic by longing for Mjolnir after seeing it again, when Stormbreaker is 10 times more powerful. Waititi is a fucking hack.

  • @TheHumbleLionMotivates
    @TheHumbleLionMotivates Год назад +65

    the storyline that introduced Gorr in the comics, is a great series of books to read. gorr the godbutcher

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx Год назад +2

      I feel this film butchered The God Butcher.

    • @TheHumbleLionMotivates
      @TheHumbleLionMotivates Год назад +2

      @@anubusx I haven't seen it, but I'm confident that they did, unfortunately. I believe you're 💯 percent correct.

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx Год назад +1

      @@TheHumbleLionMotivates
      He looks rubbbish.

    • @l1m0b0at3
      @l1m0b0at3 Год назад +2

      i wish they would've shown young thor meeting gorr for the first time. i've not read that arc ina while but i remember it being like 1200 or something and he saved a viking village and was banging all the women and drinking all the ale they had haha. but i remember that first meeting being brutal an in a cave

  • @loveydovey6926
    @loveydovey6926 Год назад +2

    I take the move for what it is. I don’t expect character development, they already did that with the first two movies and the Avengers. Now it’s just about having fun with random situations for the main character and throwing random villains like in a really long episode from a cartoon, and having funny catchy one liners. What’s wrong with that?
    I enjoyed it a lot! I’m buying on Blu-ray.

    • @Robshere27
      @Robshere27 Год назад

      I disagree....you cannot do that with THOR...He's already established as a far too serious and intelligent super heroe for such a dramatic change...It doesn't work, unless your MCU fan history is limited and your of the latest generation

  • @TheRealKarmaquarius
    @TheRealKarmaquarius Год назад +1

    that moment when Party Thor feels way smarter than Love and Thunder Thor, oh brother.