What Could Be Wrong With A $300 Skid Steer?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2020
- Luke's $300 Bobcat skid steer ran for 5 years no oil changes before having starter problems.
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Bobcat skid steer has a no start, sometimes starts, oil leak, no neutral safety switch, and possible dead cylinder.
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Nothing like a 30 Minute RUclips video thats better then any thing a television network could put together with 30 people and a huge budget. 💀
Thanks man. much appreciated
No worries rich. My mom (Tracey) bought me the tape boss for Christmas, and told me your story about dragons den, the interesting stuff you work on and how you are a local. I didn’t realize the same person I watch on RUclips was the same person my mom had talked to me about so many times previous. 😅 small world. Love your stuff .
I enjoy watching this channel and ZipTies and bias plies
Ain’t that the truth. My wife won’t let me watch Zip Ties & Bias Plies anymore.
@@DGHD not to disrespect you but you got it wrong talking about the ampere and volt. if you have a high voltage and there is always a high current (I=U/R). but if the voltage is there for only a short moment or if it drops under load it wont kill you because the energy expended isnt enough E=U*I*t. you can survive lightning because its for such a short moment even though the voltage is high and the amps are plenty.
sorry for this bad english but it isnt my first language and its hard to explain this even in my native tongue.
still love the video!
THIS is the stuff I live to see man! Some serious junk, learning shit from people who know all the cheat codes and tricks on how to diagnose easy. As a certified youtube master technician I really appreciate stuff like this. And I mean that. Clean stuff is boring, junk is gold on here!
Da Boss
I hope you watch vice grip garage, and zip ties and bias plies here. Some solid learning available (though mildly crude for the 2nd channel)
Definitely not a machine you’d waste a good fire extinguisher on haha
Lol some of the bigger fire extinguishers are like a couple hundred bucks to buy new, meaning discharging a fire extinguisher might cost more than the machine is worth😂
@@Adam_Poirier truth
@@Adam_Poirier We used to have ones on carts at work that I'm guessing were at least 2/3 thousand.
Not to mention the mess that would need to be cleaned after as well.
@@Adam_Poirier refills are cheaper
I've never seen a non-diesel Bobcat... Learn new things every day.
Many of the older smaller bobcats are powered by Wisconsin motors that are 16hp give or take. Those unit get a new HF engine a lot of times. Solves most of those problems along with better power. Older units like this ( well not this exact unit ) were set up with option that could have aux hydraulics on them. This problem can be fixed with a new spool valve. Doing this also make older machine run far better. Investment in a small machine can make it a whole lot more use out of it.
What type of engine is that one? Looks like a Toyota. Anyone know?
I never thought they would’ve existed either. Seems to be a better option than a diesel in Canada during the winter.
I drive a propane forklift for uhaul sometimes
@@danw1030 It's a Mitsubishi 4G32...1.6L.
Deboss, even though I knew about points ignition your explanation was the easiest explanation I have ever heard. I think I just re-learned points ignition.
I remember the first time I heard about how Ye Olde points ignition on original minis worked, and having a immediate sense of respect for my mum who changed at least 2 sets in the dark, in the rain, in a cramped mini engine bay while at the side of the road
Anyone who's had a old mini or been in one will know the little blue cardboard boxes with the spare sets of points in them rattling around the front of the car 😁
Atleast he isnt saying the capacitor is there to make the spark HOT like everyone else in the world my god how many times have I had that argument.
@@mor4y I first learned about points getting into old '70s and '80s french mopeds. Was a total pain in the ass at first, but once you learn it you don't forget.
They certainly maintain their vehicle's about as well as most construction companies.
Better I saw a company total a brand new r series machine that was lent to them while their machine was in the shop. They had the loaner for 1 week
Anyone else ever seen a misalignment between the pick up and the cap. One of the hardest things I had to diagnose but a real easy fix once you realize it.
One of the best no start engine diagnostic videos. You covered so much and it was entertaining to watch.
When I run into wiring like that, im usually typing "engine wiring harness" into ebay moments later. Sometimes its worth it.
Buddy: What happened
Rich: (nonchalant) It's on fire
Buddy: (nonchalant) Oh
Rich: (calmly repins fire extinguisher and smothers fire with greasy rag)
Me: (nodding with approval) DeBOSS Status
What fire I didn't see a fire just him cleaning the intake
Bobcats are very helpful, but working on them through microwave oven door size openings sure can be an awful experience
@eat me perhaps some more than others, but the 700 and 400 series I have worked on were a pain in the ass...maybe you just have really small hands
thay arnt that bad, some spots are tight but still pretty simple.
My experience with bobcats is that they are shit. Kubota is a much better machine
Good thing Bobcats use kubota engines then..
@@huntguy3831 glad my 2011 t190 has a Kobota motor from japan.
My dad used to work on these. He'd occasionly borrow one from work to do stuff on our property and I remember driving it as a kid. So much fun.
2:00 This is a key piece of advice, customers are often terrible at diagnosing problems or remembering precisely what happened prior to failure.
This is the type of crap I buy. LOL
GET THE TIMING RIGHT IT WILL DIG
Just what I needed today has been very slow at work
Same
At least you've got double time cause it's on a Sunday.
@Charles Thibault yeah you're probably right. I do electrical work and around this time of the year we always have a big push to get stuff finished and it means we basically got guys working around the clock.
@@mfk12340 no I work for a shipping company but my work truck grenade so i had to wait for recovery to come 6 hours in still no sign of then 😂😂😂😂😂
If I remember right you don't want to be the last kid in line when learning about spark in small engine class 🤣
I can’t believe that thing is still running I saw it when he first bought it
Dang that's a smoking deal. I would love a 300 dollar skidsteer!
Good Morning Rich
I have always admired your trouble shooting ability AND your level of keeping calm while under fire... on fire etc....lol
Great video as usual !
Warmest Regards from Arizona
And THIS is why I love old diesels =)
Petrol engines with carburettors are horrid.
Petrol engines are great but our quality of fuel is horrible!
@Ohio Boy gas for licht and small engines, diesel for big and heavy engines
Wish I could find something like that.
Look on Facebook market place and you can find anything equipment real are’s that’s how I found my vintage lawn mowe f
I found a perfectly good working toro push mower for $10 dollars it’s was just missing one part that was super easy to replace.
Just keep looking on online auctions gov deals equipment rental auctions Kijiji, Craigslist eventually over time you’ll find a deal it takes patience
Wish I could win the lottery
I have about the same thing sitting in the weeds 642 bobcat with a ford pinto engine
Can I use the, let the fire burn off all the dust, method on the whole engine?
Only on fords
The older dodges came factory with that fire option, you start it from the wiring harness 😂
i was sure Rich was going to say "since it doesnt start, lets put a 24 valve cummins in it.....".
I was thinkin puttin a 4bt Cummins in it
An older TDI would work.
Old Deutz diesel goes well. See Bobcat 863.
Not strong enough, you need the 16v92 in there.
Necrothescist T Even better. 20V149. 😉 That’ll get things done and power a small town.
Electroboom would yell at you for saying voltage doesn't kill you, current does. Your body's resistance determines the current.
Yep and because V=IR, Higher voltage= higher current going though you at the same resistance. So both are dangerous.
I have never understood people's attitude about old equipment. I stole it for $300. Its worth $3000 in decent shape but I don't want to put any money in it.Even though you could spend up to $2700 to make it right and be even.The very same person will go and drop $10K on a machine and not think twice about spending 3k to fix the machine that is worth 10k and be 3k in the hole.🤔
Most of the time it is a mental block, but depends on the equipment. I've got a $55k excavator that I bought new from a dealer and take care of it. If it needs expensive parts, I'll probably put them in because I've had it since new and know every minute of its operating history.
Compare that to a machine that I bought for $500 and spent $350 to get running. Boy I beat that thing like a red headed step kid and when it finally blows up, it is going to a scrap pile somewhere. It might need a couple hundred or a couple grand to get going again, but id rather replace a continually faulty component than chase Murphy all through a drivetrain and hydraulic system. Been there done that, and my time is way more valuable than low end equipment is typically useful.
Thats the thing though, there is a reason it was sold for $300, its unreliable, thus now a hobbyist tool, not one that earns money.
You could put $2k into it and while all the new parts would work perfect, something else can fail and mess up the new parts, or require another $2k be spent or the entire thing sold at scrap metal prices. We already saw this a little bit with both the new (but now broken) distributor rotor, with the bad wires and with the minor fire. None of that matters when its your $300 garbage, but if you try build it up to be something more, then an actual restoration will cost you more than an equally reliable newer machine would.
I am not even sure what the model of this unit is, With out that I have no clue how many HP the motor is. Most of these little skidsteers sell between 3 and 5k and have less than 22HP on them. There are a few videos out there where people just pull the old motor out and repower them with a HF engine. 800 bucks more and better power. The thing that these lack is aux hydraulics, Simple 3 spool valve will fix this. Total investment with cheap labor 1500 bucks, Now you have a reliable machine that you can paint and sell for more than what you pay for it. With the option of aux hydraulics which is what people want in those little machines.
Price of a used machine and fixing it up saves you money in the long run. I have done the same thing on high end tools vs renting them, example that I did was redid my hardwood floors so I searched out a floor sander ( new cost 5k or more ) found one for 300 bucks that had a few missing parts and been sitting out side. I did all the testing while there to make sure the machine worked. Which because it sat outside needed the bearing lubbed up, Did that and got it to run and took his offer at 250 due to the machine being stuck. Then I bought new parts for it which cost be about 150 dollars, Now I have 400 cash in it plus 100 in travel cost and what ever else. Cleaned up after I am done and I should be able to sell it for 1500, even if I sell it dirt cheap at 500 bucks I still get my money back and saved me all of that money that I would have spent renting a machine for 2 week. Along with the sand paper I bought at a fraction of the retail price I can sell at the retail price and make a large margin. even if I order a few more boxes of paper I could make huge amounts of money.
@@kameljoe21 Looks like a Bobcat 642B or 742B
@@Heretic306 Yeah it might be mid range. Lots of the older mid range models were optional for gas. Once you get to the 700 to 800 range they should be diesel. Though I think I have seen a 700 model in gas. Anything 500 and under should be gas unless they were converted at some point. Correct me if I am wrong. This is what I know from running 800s, 300s and the newer 650 classes. Though I would trade a S650 for a S300 any day of the week. Now the T650s are not do bad as I do not have enough hours to be sure if its any good. I always keep my eye out on the smaller stuff as that is what I intend to get at some point.
Great shirt - you should bring Leg Arms back!
billkalicious leg arms said this stuff was not his cup of tea
"volts is just something to laugh about when your buddy holds the sparkplug and you crank it". Talking about personal experience there? 😂
The wife did it to me like 3 days ago 😂
You don't always see the spark, but you definitely hear it from the guy holding the wire
@@Browndogdiesel did it to my dad a few weeks ago, he wasn't best pleased 😂
One of my friends always gets the short end of the stick and has to be the "spark tester"
You know how it is win some lose some. Your troubleshooting videos are very educational. I learn so much. Being poor I gotta keep all my familiy, friends, neighbors and all my junk running. Keep up the good work. I watch all your videos diligently.
There's no + voltage to the points. They just break the ground on the coil.
16:10 - Wouldn't cranking it again snuffed the flame with vacuum?
Most likely
He clearly wanted to clean the air filter housing while getting it to kick on ether.
Juat an example of efficiency when you think about it.
This guy is so underrated. Insanely smart. Will always watch deboss garage
Start of video. Ah this this is worth 3k all day. Bought for 300....
Later in same video. Sometimes you gotta know when to give up on a pos machine
yeah kinda interesting, so is it a good machine worth fixing up or junk that you don't want to spend time and money on, i'd say the former, but what do I know
He said the owner didnt want to put much into it
I think it frustrated him more than irredeemable mechanical issues.
the black cheech coming out of a gasser, i love it
When torquing screws, I'll ve sure to use my DeBoss torque wrench. ;)
Bang that 3C kubota in there that you got from the grass cutter a few weeks back
I have the diesel version of this skid steer. Will probably be selling it soon.
A CO2 fire extinguisher is worth its weight in gold when working on old crap! Especially when you have to use starting fluid...
Very handy for stopping runaways too!
Spray bottle full of light soapy water works too!!!
This video reminds me of the logging machine you worked on that was a disaster, leaking, caught fire, etc.
Imagine having to have spark plugs to initiate your combustion pffft....
All of the bobcats I’ve ever used had glow plugs so idk what you point is.
Csnider_12 Spark plugs and glow plugs are two entirely different things
New subscriber this morning. I absolutely love how you explain how it works. So many don't take the time to do that. I know the basic concept of all of that but not the specifics. Thank you for the lesson!!
I feel like I traveled back to my high school automotive class, thank you not kidding.
That was the clearest explanation of basic points & firing. Distributer timing effects. Made even clearer with a live solution. Good job boss...
Using a test lamp when detecting bad connections is recommended. As the inner withstand of the voltmeter is extremely high, you won't get a correct value, without having a little bit of current runing through the wire and especially bad connections.
Good shout on checking the anti dieselling/anti run-on solenoid. Had one crap out on my brother's Volvo 340 (a fine Dutch built car!) which meant it wouldn't idle and would quit at junctions (not great for a new driver). I wedged it in the "run" position with a bit of plastic and it ran fine until we tried to stop the engine. It would splutter on for 5-10 seconds after turning the key off so you had to stall it in 5th gear!
Glad to see there is still another one still out there. I have had mine since 90 and runs like a champ. Burns a little oil but won't get rid of it. Also mine looks in way better condition. Thanks for the video and keeping it alive
Thanks Rich for saying that it's the current (amperage) that kills you. That's what I learned studying EE. It's also very important where it goes. That's the reason for the "one hand in your pocket" rule. If current goes across your arms, it goes through your heart. That current stops your heart and you die. Of course you can find out what the resistance of your skin/body is and work out what Voltage difference will give you too much current. V=IR or Ohms Law tells you that.
I rebuilt an old worn out Bobcat 753G in my garage. The local Bobcat dealer was awesome on finding parts and helping me through any issues I couldn't figure out. One of the most useful machines on the farm.
I love Luke, he’s got a hell of a sense of humor!
Great video Rich!! I'm sure there a whole bunch of younger (middle age and below) that have never seen a carburetor and I'll admit as an older guy I have never heard their functioning explained better. Thank you so very much...
That's a 4G32 or G32B Mitsubishi engine, used in a few Dodge colts. Pretty easy parts availability.
I thought that might be the Mitsu unit. Seems they didn't use the Mitsubishi for very many years though.
I don't know what it is, but I love watching a well used piece "junk" get worked on.
Literally the best description of a points setup I've ever heard. No joke!
Love the video Rich, great explanations, thanks for explaining the basics of the points system- was always curious how they worked.
There's many almost-40 year old machines from the 640 series still going strong, but what I'll never understand is how anyone could make it all those years repairing them without ever flipping out and lighting them on fire in a rage
Engine parts, go to a good parts store, mid 80's dodge colt used same mitsubishi engine. Parking brake should be a middle pedal on the hump between the other 2. Engine will always be cold blooded and have to run with choke part on for a long time. Timing belt can look fine, but will jump a tooth very easily. Good machine for a homeowner, I had mine for 25 years.
I was thinking the same thing. I had to put a motor into one of those a while back. Motors are hard to find now a days.
Process of illumination.
The big 3. Fuel, air and spark baby! Great video. Keep the coming.
True Canadian hero. Keeping neighbours garbage running to keep the snow plowed. Love it.
Loved this video Rich! I always learn something from each of tour vids. Cheers
In 2000 my dad bought a 1980 bobcat 721. Deutz diesel. 1500 hours to this day. He's not very good at maintaining stuff but it hasn't been used a ton and not used hard. He replaced the vane pump and some hoses over the years, I replaced 4 more hoses this year. Currently in the process of repainting and new decals to push him to get some more maintenance done. Oh and it quit on us while removing snow this past winter. Replaced fuel pump just to fuel that out and then messed with the injection pump, then figured we should time it just to be safe.. it runs again. The cam and the injection pump still look new with no signs of wear which is awesome. Really love the machine.
Nice video! Perfect humor laden expertise with a nice light touch!
Don't forget about the valve clearance, as it's part of cam timing and valve lift ! Sometimes it makes a massive difference in engine performance.
I learn a lot from this channel,and I appreciate you. Jeremy in Alabama.
Great video, educational and entertaining, thank you for covering the basics and explaining it all
I am learning a ton from this video. Thanks for all of the time you put into these videos to make them interesting and informative
“Three hundred dollars - and worth every penny.”
I love the self redemption for the backfire flame...
Let me tell a first-hand no-start diagnosis story. Bought a basket case 1990 VW Corrado G60. Between the boxes of parts the seller gave me, auto parts stores and eBay, I assembled what should have been a fine running engine. Started instantly at the first start but ran worse over the course of minutes until it wouldn’t run at all anymore.
Fuel pressure was good. Fuel flow and injector spray pattern were good. Fuel pulses were correct (checked with oscilloscope). Compression was good. Fuel quality was good as I even tried to run the car from my running truck’s tank/pump. Spark was strong. Ignition timing was good. All crank/cam timing marks lined up correctly. Cranked plenty fast. Could smell raw fuel from the tailpipe. Still wouldn’t start. Totally baffling.
After a month of frustration, sitting on the pot at work perusing VW forums, I saw a post and it all clicked. It became obvious.
When the previous owner’s G60 supercharger crunched itself the integral key on the crank timing sprocket sheared. So although the timing marks looked correct between the crank and cam, the crank sprocket’s timing mark was telling a lie. That is, what the crank sprocket’s timing mark showed to be Top Dead Center (TDC) was not Top Dead Center of the crank. I pulled the #1 spark plug and put a long screwdriver down to contact the piston. Sure enough, the sheared key allowed the crank to slip about 30 degrees compared to the crank timing sprocket. The friction from the crank bolt was all that was keeping things from disaster as I believe (could be wrong) it is an interference engine.
The keyway in the crank was goobered. I bought a new crank timing sprocket and installed it with 2 dowel pins to take the place of the bad key situation. After all that it started instantly and ran like a champ. About 30,000 miles since it was revived and I still drive it daily.
It’s not always something simple. It usually is but not always.
Thanks for that!
Great tutorial on the ignition and fuel system.
Quality viewing!! I always learn something, even if it is a new expression! Thanks!!
found you today lots of fun never seen anyone so happy thanks
Absolutely phenomenal video Rich
Keep up the great content Rich and team! One of the best channels going!. And not to far from me, super inspiring and informative. Cheers all the best !
AvE says it should make a click sound when she's tight enough bahahaha
My brother has one of these old things with hydraulic fluid leaks. Great video
your videos are so much help keep doing your thing 💪🏼
Glad the extinguishers finally made an appearance!!!
There are about 12 in the shop and always close by when working with gasoline
@@DGHD Glad i could supply a few
The voltage break down was great! Always wondered how many volts I was making as a kid.
I'm always amazed of the quality of the videos... it's like something that should be on the discovery channel
90% of what you work on on this channel doesn’t apply to me one bit. I still watch every video in its entirety. Love your videos man. 👍🏼
Hello from Minnesota. New subscriber here, I like the way you share knowledge and how you take things step by step per say.
Excellent rendition of how an ignition system works. I've had to make do with what I had available, so I won't pick on too many others for doing what it takes to get something working.
Good job being a great neighbor!
Thanks for breaking everything down 👍
Happiness is dialing in a dual-point distributor and syncing triple side-draft Weber's on a customers 240 Z that he says "nobody in town knows how to work on". Then adding a few components to a Honda computer so I can dyno tune the new turbo install. Education pays, experience is priceless.
wow, this is some great educational material ! Great Job!
Love the Realistic torque specs for the phillips on the carb!!
He should be using the AvE click stop method. Don't know AvE ? Google him.
Great video Rich @DGHD
Love these videos. I certainly would love a $300 skid steer.
To find TDC on #1 remove the spark plug and put a screw driver in spark plug hole. Turn engine over with a ratchet and holding the screw driver feel the piston come to top.
Great videos as usual. The best of RUclips.
I know nothing about engines, no clue, but I learned something here. thanks
You had the cab up the steering linkage can be adjusted to help with the creeping. The electric solenoid on the carb is too keep fuel from leaking though filling the crankcase with gas
Love the video keep up with the great work
Best hands on ive seen well deserves the follow,
Cool video! I gave you a like! I appreciate you teaching the mechanical understandings.
First time subscriber. Thanks for posting tis informative and entertaining video!
I don’t know how I missed the fact that you had a second channel for so long, I just subscribed!
I had a good laugh on this video...OMG the small fire was so funny. If Luke does bring it back for more work, make sure he provides an extra fire extinguisher!
I restored one of these, wish I could post a link! But I have a full rebuild on my channel
I feel like a lot of younger guys should be watching this video.
I've got the Clark Bobcat 631 with a duetz diesel , I LOVE IT !!
@grafvonstauffenburg Yes a popular Ditch Witch engine , i replaced the engine but still have the original one which runs, they say you can get 20 to 30,000 hours on the air cooled Diesel, amazing !
@@ExploringCabinsandMines Both pieces of equipment I own have air-cooled 4-cylinder Deutz diesels. I have more confidence in them than any other engine - great reliability, inexpensive and available parts.