Does the Order of Fossils Match Evolutionary Theory? - Dr. Kurt Wise
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2021
- This video segment is from "Beyond Is Genesis History? Vol 1 : Rocks & Fossils," the follow-up to our feature-length film where we explore the impact of the global Flood on the Earth. Check it out on our website: bit.ly/BIGH-1.
Continuing on their trek through the Pocket Wilderness of Tennessee, Del Tackett and paleontologist Kurt Wise discuss the order in which major groups of fossil organisms first appear in the fossil record. While most do not first appear in the order expected by evolutionary theory, the order of fossil plants appear to do so. Dr. Wise argues that not only can the global Flood of Noah's time also explain the order of fossil plants, but that it can explain it better.
Dr. Wise earned his BA in geology from the University of Chicago, and his MA and PhD degrees in paleontology from Harvard University. He founded and directed the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College and taught biology there for 17 years. He then led the Center for Theology and Science at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for 3 years, before founding and directing the Center for Creation Research and teaching biology at Truett McConnell University for the last 7 years. His fieldwork has included research in early Flood rocks in the Death Valley region, late Flood rocks in Wyoming, and post-Flood caves in Tennessee.
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It's like Dr Kurt Wise is a cold case detective, putting all the forensic evidence together. Very interesting.
@@paulgarrett4474 That's how the scientific method works, you formulate an hypothesis like Darwin, 'I think', and then drew some lines on paper representing the evolution of species, and then set out to look for corroborating evidence. Biblical Creationists use the same scientific method, as both are stories about the past beyond the scope of repeatable, observable, testable evidence.
If you have any supporting evolution then please share it.
@@hwd7 With the exception being that Darwin's scientific theories were exposed to "peer proof", in which other scientists try to reach the same conclusions with the material provided, and make no mistake the current theory of evolution is not the same as what Darwin proposed initially. Unlike creationist theories that continue to ignore new factors or simply invent data to help them.
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646
In Sabine Hossenfelder's blog on Psuedoscience, she unwittingly reveals that evolution has no evidence therefore cannot be peer reviewed.
How to tell science from pseudoscience
"...Let us look at some other popular example, Darwinian evolution. Darwinian evolution is a good scientific theory because it “connects the dots” basically by telling you how certain organisms evolved from each other. I think that in principle it should be possible to quantify this fit to data, *but arguably no one has done that* ..."
Thank you Sabine for proving that evolution has no supporting data to fit the unsubstantiated hypothesis of molecules to man evolution but is based upon a game of connect the dots.
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 Can you give some examples of how Biblical creationists ignore new factors or invent new data, or are you just projecting?
@@hwd7 Sediment layers, as far as I know many Christians refuse to think the earth is more than 6,000 years old, on the other hand things like carbon dating prove a few million years at a minimum, we also have the facts that Darwin's theories were long rejected by so-called Christians, who also rejected the spherical earth, I can tell you more things that the Catholic Church forbade and censured, but I better stop before we get to the witch hunts and the crusades, don't you think?
I love Kurt Wise. Especially because he is so smart that even Richard Dawkins admitted it in his book, and he was mad because in his unsaved mind, religion robbed Kurt of a great career. But what Dick Dawkins doesn't realize is that Kurt has the way better career and life than Dawkins. Kurt gets to teach others about God and nature, and will be rewarded greatly in heaven! AMEN!
You are deluded!
@@Paul-hl8yg good one. So philosophical. Hard to argue w that argument
Paul 222 wrote, "You are deluded!"
I will agree that evolutionists are deluded.
Dan
@@BibleResearchTools Then You are deluded too!
Amen
I love Dr. Wise’s enthusiasm. Thanks for sharing with us!
Do you really believe this BS?
@@bipslone8880 Rather than saying it is BS...why don't you make a cogent argument for why you believe he is wrong in his assertions. We will be waiting for your response.
@@alantasman8273 , It is BS. He is making up ridiculous scenarios to support his creationist belief. Science doesn’t work that way. If you want an intelligent response, you should watch videos of AronRa and Viced Rhino. But I’m sure you won’t because it might not be what you want to believe.
David Gardner wrote, "It is BS. He is making up ridiculous scenarios to support his creationist belief. Science doesn’t work that way. If you want an intelligent response, you should watch videos of AronRa and Viced Rhino. But I’m sure you won’t because it might not be what you want to believe."
Are you a member of Aron Ra's cult?
Dan
@@BibleResearchTools I dont even know him but even me know this video is pure bulshit.
I love these shows! I watch them when I go to bed. I find them super comforting!
I know, why listen to real science, when you can use your confirmation bias to selectively only listen to what you know is going to ostensibly affirm your presupposed belief, whilst deliberately avoiding conflicting information at all costs?
@@NealeBaxter we've been taught "real science" all our lives. Darwinism, they've never found a missing link for any cell line. Not cats, not dogs, not humans, none. They show clearly on Is Genesis Real how Mt. St. Helen did in hours what we have been told takes millions or billions of years. I may not be the one closed off to new ideas.
@@beckywexler6026
I don't think you've been taught any real science whatsoever. The fact that you begin by trying to construct a strawman you call _"Darwinism"_ shows you haven't got the faintest clue what you think you're talking about. Let me prove you're blowing it out your back door - tell me what you would expect a transitional fossil for a cat would look like - you MUST know this, in order to be able to declare no such thing has been found.
@@NealeBaxter Darwin knew that no links had been found & hoped it would be at some point in the future. Thank you for the instruction. I choose God.
@@beckywexler6026
So, there's confirmation that you're blowing it all outta ya poop chute, you can't describe what your own assertion would be. What would YOU recognise as being a transitional fossil of a cat (your example, remember)? What features do you think it should have, how would you recognise it?
What you may not know is Kurt Wise is a Harvard educated paleontologist, who studied under Stephen J. Gould, the famous evolutionist and atheist. Kurt Wise embraced Christ at a young age and God has used his skills to His glory.
And then he abandoned everything he learned.
@@davidgardner863 He abandoned the dogma and orthodoxy of the evolution religion, that's for sure.
He has the humble and bright demeanor to converse intelligently and calmly with other atheist evolutionists. That's a HUGE plus! I'd be way too salty and zealous for that assignment, 😂
Professor Wise's classes would be awesome! I LOVE that science is experiencing a coda, a return to it's biblical roots!
@@htos1av Science has no roots in biblical garbage.
Thank you so much for sharing these clips. I go back and watch the entire video. The music is soothing as well. God bless you all.
One minor problem with the flood hypothesis. My grandfather was a deep coal miner, his pit had 41 separate coal seams separated by different rock types including shale, sand, clay and gravel all rock types that are well known for not floating above wood. unless there were 41 different floods separated by enough time to build up enough vegetation mass to produce each coal seam (several over 2 meters thick) the hypothesis fails.
We have seen how underwater seismic activity can produce multiple tsunami receding waves. We saw a double tsunami in 2011 in Japan, where all kinds of things (cars, building parts) got deposited very rapidly, layer after layer. Considering these scientists are propositing earthquakes 20 times bigger, our very Earth was like moving an omelette in a frying pan! (LOL)
@@SilviaBorges-HandbagDesigner the debris in Japan was not in layers it was a mixed pile. Omelet not lasagna The coal layers are very distinct and the volume of wood needed to create some layers would require many thousands of years to grow.
As the flood waters deposited the debris over the world, the different substrates settled out just as what happens when you put sand, clay, gravel and other marerial in a jar and spin (centrifuge) it. It will all separate and deposit as individual layers as we see in the Grand Canyon.
@@marktapley7571 The BIG problem with that explanation is that when you do that experiment everything gets sorted by density. The rocks in the grand canyon and other areas have multiple layers of low density material (eg wood and shale) under layers of much more dense rocks (eg sand and limestone). This cannot and never does happen in the experiment if the materials are being mixed at the same time.
for example the strata in the North East of England has 21 distinct coal layers under and in between sand shale and other rock layers.
@@davebrown6552 There are multiply layers where debris was caught in different strata as when long tree trunks are extended across “millions of years” of strata. Naturally not everything is going to separate like it was centrifuged but it was clearly not laid down over millions of years. Not only are the normal wear patterns and erosion not present that would be evident in millennial time spans but neither are the usual animal diggings and tree roots. There are many reasons that the earth is young and cannot be millions of years old. The Dover Cliffs of England have receded ap. 3 miles since Roman times. If this rate of erosion had gone on for millions of years there would be no English Island.
Superb! Thank you so much for these videos. The ideas and information is really helpful, and your enthusiasm is contagious!
I'm absorbing the deeper knowledge & loving this channel. The Floating Forest is such an amazing discovery & missing link. 💯👍👍
Floating vegetative masses are not really a discovery, but in this video, it is hypothesized that the ancient floating vegetative masses were much larger than assumed and that they were INSTRUMENTAL with certain fossil findings. Those fossil findings do not explain evolution, they provide proof of certain species that existed in certain habitats. In other words, fish did not 'evolve' to crawl on land....they already existed.
The way you use "missing link" is incorrect. The "missing link" phrase is used by evolutionary 'experts' who can't prove connections so they gloss over the enormous false conclusions between man and ape. Similar creatures are not same creatures....and this is, and has been, the glaring problem with the theory of evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a proven set of facts. Even Darwin, in his writings, admitted his theory/theories were very flawed.
I am a Huge fan of this show. I watch as many as i can
Thanks so much for creating these helpful videos. I love how God's ontology is brought into the matter concerning how the diversity of creation indeed declares the glory of the triune God-- the diversity within the unity. Just another wonderful illustration that displays the bankruptcy of unitarianism, and the glory of the Biblical Doctrine of the Trinity. Also a very interesting theory concerning the floating forest/continent(s). It reminds me of CS Lewis' description of such floating islands in Perelandra. I looked it up and it appears that ICR has a rebuttal to the floating forest theory. On my way now to read it, and compare notes and thoughts.
I do not debate 'The Flood' with people; you either believe God's Word or you don't.
For me, creation itself is proof of not only a Creator, but of a worldwide flood.
@@AwesomeWrench The Bible was written by God through men such as Moses who is credited with writing the first five books of the Old Testament. It is God inspired. Do a look up on science noted in the Bible before man's recent research confirmed it.
@@hansdemos6510 cap
@@AwesomeWrench Read the first five books of the Bible...the inspired word of God...whether you choose to deny its validity is your problem.
could you imagine when Kurt meets God and learns that his hypothesis about the floating mats and fossil records were correct and that his line of thinking was on the right track. How happy that he would be. He would smile from ear to ear forever.
Yes, imagination seems to be terribly important to persons who want to live in their own reality.
I imagine that God will hold Kurt accountable for his heresy and lies. I can only pray for God to have mercy on his poor soul.
Dr. Kurt Wise continues to amaze me with his documentaries and, more so, with his mind! Our Triune God has gifted some of us with the thirst to know him as well as to seek answers to our past. May God continue to bless you! In the name of Jesus Christ, our Savior.
These are the floating islands in CS Lewis’ Perelandra, ?
A floating forrest continent sounds very strange to me, but we have one today also ... made out of floating plastics.
The floating forests theory is amazing, and seems very probable. I've been on quaking bogs a number of times -- it's a little disconcerting when the 'ground' under your feet jiggles with each step.
I'll agree it is amazing, but what makes you think it's probable?
@@NealeBaxter Because I've seen and walked on similar smaller structures. It seems, based on what the scientists are finding in the fossil record, especially in coal seams, that much larger such structures probably did exist.
@@kathleensanderson3082
How do smaller structures (in fresh water) make larger structures _"probable"?_ It isn't even evidence that such continent sized marine structures would be _possible._
@@NealeBaxter Did you watch the video? He talks about the plant structures they've found, many of them found in coal seams. There had to have been absolutely enormous quantities of plant matter to create all of the existing coal seams that have been discovered (and there may be more that haven't been discovered yet).
And you are assuming that there were huge, deep oceans like we have now, existing before the Flood. That may not have been true -- the water may have mostly been underground, filling cavern systems that are now mostly collapsed. Above-ground seas may have been much shallower than our present oceans. Shallower seas could easily have been largely filled with these floating forests.
@@kathleensanderson3082
The vast majority of coal exists because the organisms which break down the lignin in wood did not yet exist, which meant that trees did not rot when they fell, thus allowing vast amounts of dead foliage to accumulate eventually becoming compacted into coal. There is no coal in marine sediments.
Thanks for responding, however, the answer given doesn’t really address my question…I’m wondering about the salinity of the oceans pre-flood, since there were forests growing out over the oceans & forests don’t grow in salt water
"tsar feodore IV": in the past you had water above the earth ( salt water) and water under the atmosphere in the ocean probably clear and unsalted.
Preflood - there would not have been enough time for salt to accumulate to say nothing about lack of rain fall leading to lower sediment flows prefloof.
Perhaps they were growing on massive fresh water basins ( lakes before the flood).
There is plenty of plantlife that thrives in saltwater. They were adapted for it, specifically.
Learning so much from your channel, thank you!
I ave not heard Dr. Wise speak before. Very interesting view.
What a fun perspective!
If they were taught "The Truth" as you both are teaching, even a child can understand that this world was judged in the recent past w/a global flood. No doubt it would be the same if they were told "The Love of The Truth" about The Gospel of Jesus Christ. I pray parents at home take time to view these videos w/their children. Keep up this good work, share as long as possible, & TY IGH.
this is nothing but lies and you know it.
The bog reminds me of CS Lewis's book Perelandra. When the planet was new it was made of bogs like this. Hmm.
The climate cycles of our water planet as determined by the galactic Milankovitch cycles are
Continental glaciers with lower sea levels brought on by global east to west cataclysmic tsunamis, now for the next millenia.
Energy is neither created nor destroyed.
On this planetoid/asteroid.
All energy is our solar system cones from and or returns to the galaxies double Toroidal electromagnetic gravitational field.
We are and will be crossing tge center of that em/gravitational field for the next millenia.
Climate Cycles will always be caused by the galactic Milankovitch cycles.
With obliquity, magnetic north regulating global warming/cooling in 4 x 60,000 year cycles.
The 240,000 year rotation of the galactic bulge regulates the intensity of the emp Plasma bursts, Oort cloud comets and global cataclysmic east to west tsunamis.
The 26,000 year Precession-great year-yuga cycles are the one to watch though as it is when we cross the Galaxies Electromagnetic gravitational plane every 13,000 years.
Covid like co2 is a Strawman LIE built upon the INCONVENIENT truth that the Baby BOOMERS who were born enmass 75 years ago are starting to die from the usual suspects of seasonal FLU pneumonia and old age.
The covid1984 mask of the beast to BUY or SELL is a pretext for the covidiot FINAL SOLUTION vaccine.
It takes 10 years to develop a vaccine if you can isolate the virus.
BlM/ALM is a divide and conquer to rule humanity tactic.
Jesus loved All races because there is only one race the HUMAN race with only one minority the individual human.
5G is halfway into the microwave oven range.
Lgbtq, abortion, euthanasia, sterilization, anti children propaganda is the Wests version of China's one child policy Depopulation before the Great Year Resets our water planet with global east to west cataclysmic tsunamis within the next millenia that it takes to cross the Galactic plane.
Dr Wise, Q:were the oceans salty before the flood? It seems to me that if there were enormous floating forests, that those plants couldn’t survive in saltwater
The current salinity of oceans is about is about 37%. At time of the global flood, fresh water rainfall would have significantly diluted that percentage. By the way, that 37% is significantly less than one would expect if the earth was billions of years old as water would have carried much more salts off the landmasses to the seas making their composition of salts much higher. ruclips.net/video/5F8L1guRRko/видео.html
I'm no scientist, but there are plenty of plants, specifically aquatic plants, that only survive in saltwater. The same is true with fish and reptiles. In the video it is theorized that these "saltwater forests" have since been destroyed by the Flood as well as pre-flood ocean conditions. I would say that it is possible that the strange plants and trees that are being found in these fossil records are in fact those that would have existed on these floating forests. That is all assuming that the ocean salinity was the same as it is today.
@@revivestudentsbp "I'm no scientist" followed by outrageously inaccurate scientific assumptions.
@@smitty121981 Which of my statements was unscientific. Is a non- scientist allowed to do scientist?
@@Mctwist42 No, you're not allowed to just make stuff up and call it science. You can go read the scientific literature and speak like an educated adult, but this requires enough humility to accept where you are wrong.
Dr. Wise, please give us a segment on how the plants we have today survived the Flood.
*"What you are looking at are plants that were grown from seeds buried in permafrost for nearly 32,000 years. The seeds were discovered on the banks of the Kolyma River in Siberia. The river is constantly eroding into the permafrost and uncovering frozen Pleistocene relics. Upon their discovery, researchers took the seeds and did the unthinkable - they grew them into adult plants. To date, this is the oldest resurrected plant material."*
@@Lucid.dreamer Well put. Mats of organic debris were spread globally and ultimately took root around the globe. But they did not grow to the sizes in the fossil record because atmospheric conditions changed.
Actually, if you read the genesis account, Noah sent out a dove and a raven....
1st trip, the dove "found no rest for the sole of her foot" and returned to the ark.
The raven flew about and did not return into the ark.
2nd trip, the dove returned "with a fresh olive leaf 🌿"
So Noah knew that the waters were subsiding...
3rd trip, the dove "did not return".
At that time ark had come to rest in a mountainous region...
There's a lot of typology to that account that would take a while to unpack....
But seeds are very resilient and can germinate even after a forest fire.
In fact, some plants actually depend on forest fires to propagate...
I don't personally accept the idea that the deluge was *global* and the Bible does not actually teach that.
But God did not require Noah to pack every kind of seed to germinate, nor marine life... Just a set of clean and unclean animals, seven pairs of clean and two pairs of unclean.
And on disembarking, Noah made an altar and offered a sacrifice to the Lord.
@@alantasman8273 Cheers.
I don't subscribe to the concept of a global deluge, and I'll be happy to explain why, purely from scripture.
But the ecosystem did undergo massive change, evidenced by the fact that
. lifespans drastically fell post deluge.
. God granted animal flesh as food where previously plants had been sustenance. God explicitly says this to Noah when they disembark.
. God uses a rainbow 🌈 as a sign of his covenant that He would never again engage in a judgement via a flood.
That's not to say that rainbows had never appeared before that, as some would maintain.
There is scripture that points to a very different ecosystem in the creation account
"For the Lord God had not sent rain upon the Earth, but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the land".
And there are those that argue that a "water vapour canopy" existed and its collapse was contributory to the deluge. It doesn't stack up though. People tend to read more into scripture than the language can bear. I abandoned the "water vapour canopy" idea, decades ago.
It was largely based on the "mist went up" verse and the "waters above the firmament" separated from the "waters below the firmament" in Genesis 1.
People tend to "fill in the gaps" with their imaginations. That's not such a bad thing, but it's best to be wary of leaping to conclusions. You can be looking for a story and join the dots... add two and two and arrive at five... So I'm much more circumspect about that.
But, repopulating the land is not a problem... It's no challenge to the scriptural account.
@@alantasman8273 I've heard of seeds recovered from first century Jerusalem that have been germinated.
Animals eat seeds and excrete them, and they germinate.
They are designed to be very, very resilient...
And the same kind of holds true for landmasses that have swamps and aquatic plants and animals near their edges. in a tsunami size event, (Noah's Flood), the life forms would be buried near their habitat, (each niche) filled with the order that Dr. Wize discusses. now what would be able to make it to nearly every place on earth? The fully marine life forms. This (my interpretation) may be oversimplified but it is for sure a different interpretation of the fossil record than evolutionists have.
It's not an "interpretation" it's a lie. You cannot account for fossils with a single flood. Period. End of discussion. Start living for TRUTH not lies.
@@smitty121981 "You cannot account for fossils with a single flood."
It is actually the beginning of a discussion about fossils smitty. The argument for evo. the way you think it happened is losing momentum with all of the new science we are discovering. The TRUTH is in fact in The Words of Jesus; The Son of God who died for the sins of the world.
@@TheOtiswood That's a lie. You're lying. Nothing about evolution is "losing momentum." You also completely avoided what I called you out on in regards to the flood. Truth applies to all things and all areas of life. Start honoring it.
@@smitty121981 "You also completely avoided what I called you out on in regards to the flood"
So smitty, you, in your expert opinion say that a worldwide flood wouldn't produce the fossils?????
@@TheOtiswood what I said is that the fossils and rock strata that exist on the earth today cannot possibly be explained by a single event. And that's not my opinion, that's verifiable fact for anyone who bothers to look at it. Also, the Bible never says anything about Noah's flood causing all the rock layers and strata. That's pure fantasy. Creationists pretend to be hardcore biblical literalists but they add to the Bible and twist it to fit their fantasies. In chapter 2 Genesis identifies the exact geographic location of the Garden of Eden. I can point to it on a map. Yet creationists will deny this and treat Eden like some magical fantasy land. Because if they don't reject the plain reading of where the garden of Eden is located then they lose their fantasy about the flood reworking all the sedimentary layers of the entire world. I'm not willing to reject clear Scripture in favor of a fantasy, especially when that fantasy also completely contradicts all known science.
The point is we cannot tell with cerainty what happend in the distant past without historical records. Even then we cannot be sure.
I have a question. The Bible said there was water in the sky. Is that a layer of water (sky ocean) with floating islands? Or it only means "heavens"..
It only says water so we may imply that there are no islands there, does it mean heaven . . . Atmosphere? Well can . . .
Water was coming down from the sky today, at my house. Gee! I wonder where the water was before it came down from the sky. Oh, gosh! I've answered my own question - the water was in the sky. Gee! That was easy. I be so smart!
@@rubiks6 You have taken my question out of the context. Pathetic attempt. Try harder. Pssh..
@@lovegansaw - I took your question the way it was written. It seemed like a rather juvenile question but I probably misunderstood it. Feel free to unpack your question a bit. Give it some more context.
(The word you're looking for is "pshaw." It's in the dictionary. I like Scrabble.)
@@rubiks6 Then God said, “Let there be [e]an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 God made the [f]expanse, and separated the waters that were below the [g]expanse from the waters that were above the [h]expanse; and it was so. 8 God called the [i]expanse “heaven.” - Gensis 1:6
Marvelous!
I LOVE THIS!
I'm from the pnw you can not float a forest. The trees die
Fascinating.
Live long and prosper!
outstanding!! Thank you!
@int31cm You are very welcome!
I would think from a study of scripture that there was only one continent prior to the flood. In the table of nations in Genesis it says clearly during Peleg's time the land was divided. That is often interpreted to mean that the nations were scattered but that is not what the literal words mean. That passage literally means that the land was separated.
TheScamr wrote, "I would think from a study of scripture that there was only one continent prior to the flood. In the table of nations in Genesis it says clearly during Peleg's time the land was divided. That is often interpreted to mean that the nations were scattered but that is not what the literal words mean. That passage literally means that the land was separated."
I believe a single continent was divided shortly after the flood waters peaked (crested.) At that time the moutains rose, the valleys sank, and the flood water poured off the earth, which scoured the surface of the earth:
_"[The Lord] covered [the earth] with [water] as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. At your rebuke [the waters] fled; at the sound of your thunder [the waters] took to flight. The mountains rose, the [sea floors] sank down to the place that you appointed for them. You set a boundary [that the waters] may not pass, so that [the waters] might not again cover the earth." -- Ps 104:6-9 ESV_
The eroded sediment formed the continental shelf. Soon thereafter, there was an Ice Age (the only Ice Age.)
Later, in the days of Peleg, the ice melted, the water dried from off the earth, and the sea levels rose, closing the land bridges and sealing off the routes to the continents of Australia and the Americas, along with many islands.
The nations were scattered earlier in the days of Babel, and were led to their new habitats by angels:
_"Remember the days of old, consider the years for past ages: ask thy father, and he shall relate to thee, thine elders, and they shall tell thee. When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God." -- Deu 32:7-8 LXX_
Dan
@@BibleResearchTools All that erosion stuff is just fine. Rasing new lands and mountains is fine. But the LAND was DIVIDED. That is the continents moving. Nothing about what you wrote about Peleg's time has anything to do with the land being divided, it is pure eisegesis instead of exegesis.
TheScamr wrote, "@Bible Research Tools All that erosion stuff is just fine. Rasing new lands and mountains is fine. But the LAND was DIVIDED. That is the continents moving. Nothing about what you wrote about Peleg's time has anything to do with the land being divided, it is pure eisegesis instead of exegesis."
Your interpretation is pure eisegesis. Does it really say that the earth was split apart, or does it simply say the earth was *divided,* as in this passage:
_"[God] hath _*_divided_*_ a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder; To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man; To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?" -- Job __38:25__-27 KJV_
The most reasonable time for the single continent to split apart would have been when the flood waters peaked, which would provide a hydrodynamic "cushion" for the massive upheavals that were required to raise the mountains and drop the sea floors. At that time there was no life on the land, so there were no consequences, except to those living in the sea; and they seemed to come out okay.
Have you ever watched this video by Dr. Wise?
"In-depth Explanation of What Caused Noah's Flood"
The actual title is "The Geophysics of the Flood." He explains his theory of how the continents were formed and how the mountains were raised using Dr. John Baumgardner's TERRA modeling software. Pay particular attention at the 01:17:47 mark.
We do know that if the sea level was raised a couple of hundred feet, there would be a land bridge from Asia to the Americas, and one almost to Australia. We can surmise that the few areas where the water would be too deep to walk was the result of subsequent plate tectonics or a submarine avalanche. One good reason to speculate that there was once a land bridge from SE Asia to Australia is presence of a species of echidna (a monotreme) in Australia, New Guinea, and Indonesia. The world atlas also lists the same habitat for the deadly Eastern Brown Snake, but I question if it is found in Indonesia.
Dan
@@BibleResearchTools "The most reasonable time for the single continent to split apart would have been when the flood waters peaked, which would provide a hydrodynamic "cushion" for the massive upheavals that were required to raise the mountains and drop the sea floors."
The most reasonable time to think that the land was divided is when God, through his Holy Scripture, told us the land was divided. And he did that in the Table of Nations with Peleg. I hold that thinking the land was divided at any other time is unreasonable because it is not in accordance with God's word. No youtube video put out by anyone, no matter their apparent credentials, will make be go past God's word.
TheScamr wrote, "The most reasonable time to think that the land was divided is when God, through his Holy Scripture, told us the land was divided."
I agree. If the land bridges were closed, the earth would be divided.
TheScamr wrote, "And he did that in the Table of Nations with Peleg. I hold that thinking the land was divided at any other time is unreasonable because it is not in accordance with God's word."
I think my interpretation fits the scripture better because of the presence and characteristics of the world-wide continental shelf.
TheScamr wrote, "No youtube video put out by anyone, no matter their apparent credentials, will make be go past God's word."
You seem to be confusing God's Word with your interpretation.
Dan
Blessed is the Holy Spirit. The truth has been hidden behind fortresses of godless humanism.
In the beginning there was the word narrative used to control humanity.
Coal/wood fields are in the mountains because wood floats.
Energy is neither created nor destroyed.
On this planetoid/asteroid.
All energy is our solar system cones from and or returns to the galaxies double Toroidal electromagnetic gravitational field.
We are and will be crossing tge center of that em/gravitational field for the next millenia.
Climate Cycles will always be caused by the galactic Milankovitch cycles.
With obliquity, magnetic north regulating global warming/cooling in 4 x 60,000 year cycles.
The 240,000 year rotation of the galactic bulge regulates the intensity of the emp Plasma bursts, Oort cloud comets and global cataclysmic east to west tsunamis.
The 26,000 year Precession-great year-yuga cycles are the one to watch though as it is when we cross the Galaxies Electromagnetic gravitational plane every 13,000 years.
Covid like co2 is a Strawman LIE built upon the INCONVENIENT truth that the Baby BOOMERS who were born enmass 75 years ago are starting to die from the usual suspects of seasonal FLU pneumonia and old age.
The covid1984 mask of the beast to BUY or SELL is a pretext for the covidiot FINAL SOLUTION vaccine.
It takes 10 years to develop a vaccine if you can isolate the virus.
BlM/ALM is a divide and conquer to rule humanity tactic.
Jesus loved All races because there is only one race the HUMAN race with only one minority the individual human.
5G is halfway into the microwave oven range.
Lgbtq, abortion, euthanasia, sterilization, anti children propaganda is the Wests version of China's one child policy Depopulation before the Great Year Resets our water planet with global east to west cataclysmic tsunamis within the next millenia that it takes to cross the Galactic plane.
Any thoughts to what Sasquatch might be ?
Possibly a figment of peoples minds and hoaxes.
@@alantasman8273 Yet main stream science would view these men as ? Floating continents ? The earth is only 6000 years old ? Panda bears were only discovered 100 years ago. Try and keep an open mind.
@@AwesomeWrench No, the geologic record supports a global flood as the fossil record laid down is not regional but global. ruclips.net/video/5F8L1guRRko/видео.html
Distant descendants of the Nephilim. Encounters often have a lot of unnatural phenomena accompanying them.
SALT - Is there any evidence that the "floating forest" was resting over a body of salt water? If so, how did the "land animals" drink fresh water? Or is the evidence pointing to a mildly brackish environment, where further towards its interior there was some kind of filtration process?
I would love to have had Dr. Kurt Wise as a teacher. I also love the floating forest 🌳 concept and I think it would be pretty awesome if they could set up a biome of a floating forest where it has the pre flood conditions so that the plants that are like this kind of forest would grow up larger then normal which is kind of like a Japanese scientist “who wasn’t a creationist” set up a cherry tomato plant that blocked out certain spectrums of light that ages plants faster and gave it more air pressure and more oxygen and it shot up like a tree and bore thousands of tomato’s which were like regular sized tomatoes. 🍅
Keep up the good work!
Wow is this comment section for real..
Why wouldn’t the flood mix up all those species of plants in a haphazard order during the deposition?
He's picking up fossils next to a stream and saying they needed a source of water, therefore a great flood? WTF? I got a better hypothesis: There was a lake there and sometimes lakes dry up and this lake dried up, hence the flat leaves and fish fossils.
Fossils form as a result of rapid burial ...which prevents decay and predators for destroying the creature. Your scenario does not account for that.
Your lake would need to span entire continents and sometimes multiple continents to account for the continuous sedimentary layers of uniform thickness that span 10’s of thousands of square miles. A lake that big would be indistinguishable from a global flood.
@@boxelder9167 um....yeah....most of North America used to be a shallow inland sea. A lake, no matter how big, is extremely different from the atrociously dishonest "flood" presented by YECs in their desperation to ignore all the evidence of an old earth.
Genesis 2:6 (NASB20) But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.
Other Countries cultures use info like this remake things, but that's the old saying you'll be like God. They'll reject God but use His creation.
Sheeva? Chaos? What gos you speak for?
I worked my whole life in the oil and gas exploration business. We have experts in micro paleontology whereby the age of the rocks is determined by the very small fossils. We even do geosteering where the cuttings determine how to target the horizontal drilling process. These fossils date back 100s of millions of years. It is very well known and used every day. I can’t imagine a paleontologist that would compress thousands of fossils dated over millions of years into a few thousand years.
I once read a quote from a Judge that theory of evolution wouldn't stand up in court because it was filled with speculation and assumptions, and age calculations of fossils can be millions of years out. ? ? ?
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Lets see. If a speed camera doesn't detect your speed to an accuracy of one tenth of a mile per hour, does that mean that you weren't out driving? A million years out of a billion, is only a tenth of a percent, which I call pretty damned accurate.
I believe that one needs to open their eyes and minds to accept the fact that coal can be produced in weeks under the correct conditions. It's very exciting to forget everything that man has taught in the past few hundred years, especially since science is ever changing, and we can now realize how the Bible is a true history!!
Well thought out for sure!
So much good information, thanks.
More like "good information that suports my system of beliefs"
his theory works perfectly for the CME of 12,500 years ago.
I might agree with you, if I knew what CME meant.
@@anonymike8280 Coronal mass ejection, from the Sun, while the Earth's magnetic field was in flux, causing a 90 degree "tip" on it's axis, that would produce "waves" over the continents, destroying the floating plant continent, and ripping the continents into their positions we see now, like puzzle pieces. Just think of what would happen to an "Atlantis" as the mantle shears from the crust.
@@anonymike8280 ... this includes the scorched and heat damaged Mega stones around the world.
Mind blown!
One thought… maybe this floating mass surrounded the entire Pangea continent.
or maybe, just maybe, truth is objective and you don't get to just make things up
@@smitty121981 I don’t believe Mr. Wise is making things up. Just a scientific conclusion to the facts.
@@byronwright1612 There's nothing scientific at all about it. It's literally just him making up fantasies. Real science is found in the peer reviewed literature and it is completely contradictory to everything said here.
I dont believe in evolution, but assuming a floating forest is kinda weak to a correct order of plant life evolutionists note.
Watch last 3 minutes. Different places of creation Not time periods. $BNGO
Can a group of Christian Scientists and investors finally get together and reorganize a museum of “natural history” into a museum of “extinct biomes?”
Scientists that are Christian, not the cult Christian Scientists I hope
Many scientist are christians... But the true scientists dont let religion blind them like that dude in the video.
Dr Wise is brilliant. His name is very appropriate
The wisest man in the land of mentaly late people are not exactly a good title.
Yes it does.
Easy answer.
You make sense of things until you mention a trinity which is not spoken by the followers of Jesus in the new testament which always talks about 2 separate beings and introduces them in praise to our father and our lord Jesus Christ but not acknowledging the holy spirit as God in the letters. Jesus is also praying to another being as his father making them separate from one another and the father raising the son from the dead. Jesus said to Mary Magdalen that he was going back to the father not going back and inside the father but going at his right hand side making him separate from the father. The new testament always calls the holy spirit power and knowledge not a God but the power of God. In revelations the host of heaven are bowing and Worshiping 2 separate beings who are side by side at the time and one giving seals to another to open. These are 2 beings who agree as one yet are apart described in the word. Bible clearly talks about trinity pagan worship of babylon and Egypt of male, female and son worship was hated by God. The trinity does not come from the old and new testament beleavers but from pagan worship to the Roman catholic religion from Ceasars to popes just like the changing of God's 7th day of rest that he said in the 4th commandment to remember and keep holy which the catholic church decided not to remember and keep holy but to change to Sunday sun worship that the Romans worshiped which we know is the first day of the week not the 7th. Nowhere in the old and new testament do Isrealites or the jews worshiped Sunday but in all writings in the Bible clearly says they were teaching and reading on the sabbath Saturday.
Jesus said I and my Father are one. When you see me you see the Father. Jesus also spoke that He would send the comforter to his people...being the Holy Spirit..So Jesus definitely spoke of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
"In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was _with_ God. And the Word _was_ God."
- John 1.1
"And _the Word became flesh_ and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
- John 1.14
Yes
Proof that God exist. If genesis is real so is revaluation in the Bible. Looking around the world today we can see that Yeshua is coming back soon.
And all of these biomes that reflect different places on Earth just happened to stack up in exactly the same stratigraphic order (sorry for the science, you creationists) everywhere on the planet. He must have gotten his PHD from the same trailer that Kent Hovind did
That's the point he's making man. All of the biomes could have only stacked up in the same way across the planet if the same event was occurring at the same time on every corner of the globe. Meaning, if he's right about certain rocks being only formable underwater and at a very rapid pace, then that means there was a catestrophic flood on a massive global scale. I don't have the geological knowledge to fully dissect all the ways that these specific rocks can be formed, but this guy has a pretty well laid out and researched argument pointing towards young earth. He has another video where he talks for 90 minutes gong further in depth about the stratigraphic order as well as another video on his team's model of quickly moving tectonic plates going from pangea to modern day configurations. I personally think his arguments are fascinating and really point to some issues that should be researched.
Dr Wise mentions only marine animals as problematic, bue he can not show a bunny in the pre-cambrian.
So does that mean it did not exist or that we have not found a fossil like we do not normally find today?
You should teach this while acting like Adrian Monk lol!
first of all, the FLOOD story is in 300 Different Civilizations stories, it is NOT just a biblical Flood. the flood belongs to ALL ancestors of Earth, ... not just Christians.
Since all current living humans are related to Noah and his children, the Biblical account is the definitive account of all flood stories. Different cultures have their own perhaps slightly different versions of the same flood because they are all remembering the same event that naysayers say never happened.
@@alantasman8273 yes, but the story comes from texts WAY OLDER than the bible ... and is NOT the Definitive anything, ... its just more popular in the west because most people are christians. Assembled in 300'ish A.D. compared to the Story in Stone, from Sumer at 5000 BC.
You're missing too much of the story if you just read the cliff notes.
@@dejaeviz Obviously Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible with the inspiration of God. Its account of the flood is as accurate as God wanted it and therefore is the definitive account.
@@alantasman8273 IT is NOT obvious that "moses" was inspired by anything other than expressing his understanding of "the beginning" of the current "sun", (let there be light) till the end of the 5th book.
If it were Obvious, there wouldnt be The Composition of the Pentateuch. not only that, but "moses" wrote it at 1,300 BC ?? Sumer ended at 5,000 B.C. and the stories already existed. so something is very wrong with that theory .....
@@dejaeviz Deny the Bible all you want. It is God's word. Jesus said ...those the deny Me, I will deny before the Father...good luck with that retirement plan.
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Why does the bible condone slavery ? Most people don’t read the whole bible . Read Exodus .
"The road to atheism is littered with well read bibles".
I always encourage Christians to read their bibles. Reading my bible freed me from the clutches of an obscenity which suppresses curiosity.
The flood never happened, the egyptians were quite happy before during and after the flood, they have the records to prove it. So scientist, no way he could have double checked to see if any civilisation was around during the flood.
@once a musician It was during the last dynasty of the old kingdom. Pharoahs continued building pyramids that period is regarded as a time just before chaos erupted but not what you want a flood, it was just before their great famine brought on by drought and political instability, They got through this time to go into what is considered their golden era. You fail at egyptian history.
@@HS-hr5wp You werent there either so whats your point? other than egyptians not drowning in the flood because their records do not mention it before during or after the make believe event.
@@MrPandomanI hope some christians are reading these comments and thinking for themselves. because yes at the time of the flood there were many civilisations that didnt drown. they dont mention that in Bible Studies or BS for short.
Trying to fit the evidence to an answer instead of following the evidence to an answer. Christians need genesis to be true otherwise the whole religion falls apart. No creation, no garden of eden, no original sin then there's no need for redemption.
It's great that God provided a way for birds and other animals to ride out the Flood on these floating mats.
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A rather wild imagination. We can all believe in fairytales but it don't make them true. Religion is an evoutionary dead-end.
13:50 wow. My reaction also. This man is talking rubbish. Even his stories of crawling on the mat is made up. Not convincing. What if, what if, what if, what are you talking about. All made up in his mind
This is evolution by religious enthusiasts which has no real facts in reality. Feel like it is just more desperation from
creationist.
Weirdos
This guy had overtly admitted he is mentally limited by religion. So no longer in possession of an open scientific mind.
@@maskogorzakmaskogorzak5052 No but admitting that no matter what the science tells you even if it is conclusive that you would still then disregard the findings and say god did it means you can no longer consider yourself a scientist. This is effectively what this guy has said.
I started watching this video not knowing who this guy is and then he just straight up says he doesnt believe in evolution. Alright fine, but you cant be a scientist and be taken seriously if everything you do is trying to find evidence that some god created everything, you will be biased, you wont look at and use all the evidence but you will cherry pick to find the things to fit your narrative.
Religion held back science for centuries, if you are gonna get accurate and unbiased answers you have to look at the whole picture and be open minded, not look specifically for evidence that someone created it this way.
Why is he lying? He knows science shows the Earth is billions of years old.
Oh, that's right. He's religious, so lying comes naturally to him.
The hubris of man is amazing. I'm sure when your government mandates a special mark on your hand to buy and sell you will accept it for some "scientific" reason like the reduction of transmission of germs to "stop the spread."
The fact that this precise scenario was prophesied on the island of Patmos 2,000 years ago you will dismiss as a coincidence.
@@codyvandal2860 You are blathering and going all over the place. Focus.
Science shows the Earth is billions of years old. Fact.
Yes, the fossil order does match the evolutionary theory.
Wise is talking his usual drivel.
Unfortunately you are mistaken. Did you see the recent Ichthyosaur fossil found right next to the permian layer? (Just after the supposed mass marine extinction). So when did that Ichthyosaur evolve?
Do you know of any dinosaur fossils in the layers below them? There's none. They just show up suddenly in the rock layer, fully formed.
There are no transitional fossils. Name one? Archaeopteryx? Look it up, it's a known fraud. There should be millions of examples, & there are not any.
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I watched the whole film and if the dinosaurs were destroyed in the flood, why didn't Noah bring male and female of that kind? Some videos state Noah brought 2 of a kind, like dog, cat, and we breeded to today. Did Noah bring male and female of T-Rex?
because it never happened lol
@@vladimirstolov9324 and God doesn't exist, I get it.
#Cloroxmartini. Go reread the Genesis Flood account. It clearly says that more than CW thinks. The Bible says that Noah was to bring SEVEN pairs of every "Clean" Animal (sheep, goats, etc) but only ONE pair of every "Unclean Animal". Go read the Mossaic Laws for Clean vs Unclean.
The word "Dinosaur" didn't appear until the 1800s, but the Bible talks about "Dragons" throughout the texts.
The Dragons that survived the Flood by being on the Ark were hunted by Man to extinction with the Omemembe in the Swamps of the Congo.
@@cloroxmartini7697 im not sure if god exists, i know that the bible god doesn't though, because there are mountains of proof showing the book is wrong
@@vladimirstolov9324 such as lol?? If there was mountains of proof, then atheists would have a much stronger case against Christianity.
What a bunch of crap...!
Believing in creationism is very very deluded!
Rejecting the Word of God is foolish.
@@rubiks6 Why?
@@digita1hero - Because it's the Word of God.
@@rubiks6 Sure!
@@rubiks6 You prove it is the words of a deity!
Genesis is Judaism and we have only 10% of the complete fossil record! Dr. Weiss are you associated with the occult arts?
Fraud!