10 Years Meditation in 12 minutes with new tech 2023 (get paid $420 to try it!)
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- This lab will pay you $420 to try their amazing new tech for research
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Cody Rall, M.D., is a United States Navy trained Psychiatrist who specializes in neurotechnology wearables. He is a co-founder of Stanford Brainstorm, the world’s first academic laboratory dedicated to transforming brain health through entrepreneurship.
Dr. Rall also served as a board member of the psychiatry innovation lab, an annual national competition at the American Psychiatric Association that works as an incubator for groups developing technological solutions to problems in mental health care. He is the founder of Techforpsych, a media and relations company that covers advancements in technology related to neuroscience.
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Episode Timestamp Notes:
10 years of meditation experience in 12 minutes: 0:00- 0:47
How they do it: 0:47-2:27
A Consumer Wearable?: 2:27-3:26
My personal experience with the tech: 3:26-5:57
Connection with Psychedelics: 5:57-8:03
5 Year Projection: 8:03-8:33
Work with Dr. Joe Dispenza: 8:33-9:59
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Thanks for featuring IACS and this work, Cody! We are honored to be able to share these exciting efforts with a wider audience.
Had a great time and looking forward to more visits!
What a time to be alive! I wish I lived in the US I would be volunteering in a heartbeat.
Yes it was so cool! I wish you could too Josef!
Josh here (from the video). Really happy to finally be communicating the world of focused ultrasound to the broader public. Thanks Cody for the help with this! After 6 years with the technique, I really like to see that it's now becoming more broadly adopted in neuroscience and is set to be used in countless psychiatric applications in the near future.
Such fascinating possibilities. How exciting to bring such positive mental experiences to a broader population without needing to ingest a drug. Excited to keep an eye on this!
Definitely @racheloon !
$420? Nice.
Coincidence...
I seriously love the work this lab does!
Me too!
🎉🎉thank you so much!
Wowww this is amazing stuff Nicco is a good friend of mine and his impact on the world is one of a kind!! I’m definitely signing up for this
Awesome!!!
Amazing Stuff!
Thanks Cody! I just signed up for a trial with IACS.
You had me at 420
Haha funny coincidence
Talk about elegant intervention! Dovetails nicely with 4e cog sci.
Agreed! Thanks James.
Thanks!
Very cool!
really interesting work .. if something along these lines ever bobs up in Australia would love to hear about it ... thanks for sharing Cody :-)
i was in a hit&run accident 5 yrs ago . and my brain is not working like it should be. I'm up for testing !
That would be great
Love it!! 💯❤️
Me too!
I would totally try this, and if I liked it a lot, I'd want to do it all the time. Since I am already highly experienced with Cranial Electro-Stimulation, I wouldn't be nervous about it at all.
I wish I could do it more often! Hopefully there will be a wearable with similar effects someday soon
Consumer products are being developed but are likely a couple years out yet! They'll come though!
Thanks for sharing this Cody. Let us know if you hear about any studies on the east coast.
I discovered Joe dispensas work 2020 when I was struggling with severe long covid. Biggest change in my life. I am a daily meditator that uses Huso as well as other tools like the muse to keep myself in alignment. Thank you for sharing! i would be excited to try this new technology someday
Fascinating to see how it's developing! Tech like this is going to help us live Happily Ever After, for all the good and all the bad that entails.
I live about an hour away from their Tucson lab; driving to Santa Monica is a bit too much of a bother for me, but... well, I'll still sign up! We'll see!
I hope you can make it! Thanks for commenting :)
Me too. I live in Eloy. I would go if it's in Tucson, but I just can't go to Santa Monica for 5 days.
@@Dodgerzden It's even harder than that, too: It's 5 visits _spaced out a week at a time._ So about $150 per round trip flight, plus $120 from and to Burbank airport via Uber. And that's if you make it a kamikaze daytrip; staying overnight would be about $200 for even the cheap hotels.
(A part of me is still considering it, obviously, but I probably won't. We'll just have to find our Zen in 115 degree heat punctuated by windy monsoons!)
@@psiga Yeah. That's out of the question. I thought it was 5 days in one week, so if it was in Tucson, I could make the drive every day. And it's funny you mention the desert as a Zen-like atmosphere because the reason I moved to the desert is that I did training in 29 Palms in the 80s and fell in love with it because it seemed like such a spiritual place. Thirty years later, I moved here.
Josh here. I run the study. We have relaxed the spacing requirements. If you are able to be in SM for a week, it could possibly be performed during that time. 5 visits on 5 consecutive days is fine. We just want consistent spacing between visits within subjects.
“We let you get up to the top of the hill, see the view + appreciate it, so then in the future you can develop the discipline and practice to climb up there yourself” -- this perfectly captures the ethos (pedagogical above merely theoretical), pathos (empathic while bespoke), and logos (practice makes perfect, but let’s promote intrinsic motivation to practice in a truly accessible and impactful way) that Dr Reggente and his lab (IACS) so deftly imbue with their research…. And that’s just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Incredibly fascinating research and kudos to everyone involved in this video for distilling foundational, multi-faceted, multi-modal, and wholly inspirational science into something fun + educational with all of its integrity still intact. Also they pay you to contribute?! Say less, fam 💯💯💯💯
@nreggente quotes are the best!
yessssss
Ah yeahhh!
Outstanding !!!
Coolest new neurotech I've seen in years!
the AI will use this to keep us in some virtual reality and use us as batteries
Probably not Ms. Matrix.
Did I read that correctly? They're paying to try this out
Yes, up to $420 to participate.
@@CodyRallMD oh, it's one of those "up to" kinda deals
@@whatwhat9519 I run the study, it's based on the time it takes, which varies some but it's roughly that amount. Probably averages higher.
@@joshuacain5785 that's cool, too bad I don't live near to y'all and have the free time. I would have tried it out whether or not y'all were paying for the time it took.
This is one of those videos that should have a 11 million views in 11 days.
Ultrasound stimulation. That's interesting.
VERY Interesting! Thanks for the comment James.
Fantastic news! What other kind of effect can the system produce? ego dissolution? If so, It Will accelerate planetary consciousness Evolution. Timeline for consumer device? Keep us updated, thanks.
Yes! Ego Dissolution! Agreed!
We have a trend toward ego dissolution in our pilot data so far but that's preliminary. Consumer device appears 2-3 years out.
@@joshuacain5785 what a great innovation It Will be! Keep up the good work. 🙏🙏🙏
Dang I’m on the wrong coast! It’s so exciting to see the rapid advancement of focused ultrasound!
Fascinating!, if I was in the USA I´d signing up without thinking
I wish you could Adrian!
Signed up for the study, hopeful that I might be allowed to volunteer (though it is some distance from my residence). Sounds a bit like LENS treatment, but much more refined (I have not been terribly impressed with LENS, however some clients have reported benefit).
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Detaching rewards from effort eventually causes more suffering
I hope not in this case!
This is fabulous technology, I mastered meditation in my late teens and 20's I had to stop because I became overly clairvoiant but 61 now and I still have the benefits of that period of my life, but now I've aquired covid induced parkinson's and I am wondering if this could help or even cure my Parkinson's?? Please respond...
There is ultrasound surgery for parkinsons now, which is pretty effective. You could ask your neurologist about that. It's like surgery without any cutting. Stimulation for parkinson's is likely to exist in the future but is years out as an approved treatment..
WOW!
Yeah it was awesome!
I want to sign up
Do it!!!
Hell I’ll try it
I may have missed this but exactly what brain regions were they stimulating? Also might mention if this is not done precisely it could fry your brain, so I doubt there will be any large-scale applications soon.
Cody's stimulation was to the caudate (bilateral). He talked about this at 5:20. The other sites we stimulate are the bilateral insula and PCC. The intensity ranged we are using right now is extremely far away from tissue ablating frequencies, so this is quite safe.
So interesting!
Yup, if done improperly, ultrasound can be dangerous. However, I have taken great care to ensure it's very safe. We know a lot about safety limits at this point. Good study on this: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32289711/ (no damage with intensities much higher than ours)
Wow!, I did a course of tms a while ago, it worked for a while, but those effects faded quite quickly and I didn't think it was worth paying for another course, but this I suspect would be more lasting
Hopefully! Good thought.
Hard to say at this point how long it lasts compared to TMS, though there is a lot of evidence for ultrasound having long-lasting effects. My guess is that the effects of an ultrasound vs TMS treatment would last similarly long. However, that may change once we know more because ultrasound can allow for some more advanced targeting methods and pulse sequences.
@@joshuacain5785 hopefully, I also 'imagine', once you get the location you could buy the band and self administer, this isn't an option with tms.
I am from North Carolina, Raleigh, and one of my friends is working with your team. Can I take part in this research?
Do it!
just gotta be on site for 5 different days
I do not believe science yet can pack ten years of meditation experience in 12 minutes of brain stimulation.
Meditators have to learn how to use the skillful use of thinking to control their brains. Also the experience acquired during meditation needs to be integrated into daily life.
True. Forgive the copyright, believe the underlying goal.
Very true. We intend to integrate this procedure with more typical practice over longer periods of time.
It's good to see there is traction with this. There was a kickstarter project on this done in 2018. I didn't get funding, but, I used the scans of experienced meditation practitioners (20+ years) to find the specific frequencies and locations based on the 10/20 electrode placement chart. I used cortical metrics over the span of a few months to measure the results. Only side effects are brain fatigue, but this depends on duration and power. Despite this, the device works in 3 phases, each designed to swiftly give people the benefits of clinical research into meditation.
PHASE 1: NEUROPLASTICITY BOOST - Allows nerve cells in the brain to compensate for injury and disease, adjusting their activities in response to new situations or changes in the environment.
PHASE 2: INCREASE LONG TERM POTENTIATION (LTP) - This is the main form of synaptic plasticity, reflecting the activity of synaptic information storage processes. In recent studies, increased LTP has been shown to have resistance to depression, stress, and anxiety, which can also be seen in patients with PTSD.
PHASE 3: SICKNESS BEHAVIOUR - This refers to a common pathway in illness, where there is fatigue, loss of pleasure, loss of interest, disconnection, an uncoupling between energy utilization and efficiency, and social, immune and metabolic network failure. This phase is based on the EEG activation patterns of long term experienced Zen meditation practitioners.
This is very interesting... ...I thought that I had seen a few years back where I believe it was in Australia that they were looking into using ultrasound for dimentia/alzheimers patients. Wondering if this could help them. Also wondering if you get any damage around the the area where the ultrasound heads are placed on the skull. I know if ypu use ultrasound for tissue that you are not supposed to use it over boney areas as you can burn the Periosteum and probably much more.
There are a lot of safety precautions like the intensity of the ultrasound pulses.
Yup, reasonable concerns. If you turn the ultrasound intensity up high enough, you can burn tissue, but I've spent a ton of time ensuring that that's not possible in my experiments. I do them myself of course (often multiple times) so i'm pretty motivated to make sure it's very very safe. There has been some work in alzheimers but it's pretty preliminary. Definitely in the future all sorts of applications like this make a lot of sense. You can stimulate but also open the blood brain barrier to allow drugs into specific brain regions. I believe focused ultrasound will be fairly common in psychiatry in 5-10 years.
Is there a permanent shift after this procedure?
Dr Steuart Hammeroff discovered the ultrasound effect when he tried one on his brain many years ago.
I am a Dr Joe advanced student. Been doing his work since 2015. I meditate twice a day. I am not in LA, but in Florida & Georgia. I would like to participate can this been done remotely? Thanks.
No, you would have to go to the lab for now. But might be included on future Dr Joe retreats! Stay tuned! Thanks for the comment.
Cody, I just put my email in. I am NOT an experienced meditator however. I have been diagnosed with PTSD in the past and about a week ago with Adjustment Disorder. I live nearby and would be willing to go through these sessions without pay, just to see if it would maybe help me.
Awesome! Glad you were able to put in for the study. Let me know what you think!
We also have a novice meditator wing. However, psychiatric disorders disqualify individuals...
Hey man, I have an autistic friend that gets over stimulated quite easily. She wants to train her brain to help get her brain focused on things that won’t overstimulate her. Do you have any suggestions on devices that may help with this? Thanks much
🤔Some kind of air pressure oscillation to brain tissue oscillation?
would be curious to know if they've tried this with an illness like ME/CFS. As someone who is severely suffering from this illness, I can tell you brain dysfunction plays a massive role.
There is sooo much work to be done. Agreed.
How do they know it's harmless, have there been long-term studies, even with babies it causes weight loss, when used routinely.
I'm more interested in magnetically enhancing the mid-line semi-conductive current as described by Robert Becker in his "The Body Electric"
Good questions. It's supposed to be low intensity. My brain hasn't melted yet so all seems to be fine! But I'll definitely pull up more safety data for the next video I do on it.
CIA brainwave entrainment
CIA? Where? ;)
Are you referring to Alpha Biocode developed through Robert Monroe's work @ Heartmath Institute?
So, is this like a synthetic psychedelic with none of the risks?
I think it's in a class of its own. No documented risks so far.
@@CodyRallMD Did you feel depleted in any way afterwards? Seems to me that this would be very similar to MDMA, which can help open the heart coupled with breathwork. But it depletes the serotonin and dopamine in doing so, requiring the need for upping the mineral intake following the journey. Interesting for sure, but I'm not sold on brain manipulation via ultrasound being anything more than what the pharmacology already does, which needs care to remain balanced in "state of being" afterwards. To me, my best meditation experiences happen via breathwork which kinda takes the brain outta the equation, giving way to the heart being more open. I personally work with sonics in a hexagonal array to aid with healing and meditative states.
Is this like neurofeedback? I didn't had a good experience but would love to try this. 😊
No it's really nothing like Biofeedback. No feedback, just stimulation.
Nope. We hope that this is more impactful than neurofeedback for meditation. That's a major motivation for the study. But, combining this with neurofeedback is also an interesting possibility in the near future, turning the US on at moments of particular brain activity.
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similar to god helmet from Michael Persinger
I had thoughts of that as well!
There are no shortcuts in life, I don't care how much your brain gets stimulated.
Agreed that there are no shortcuts. There are, however, ways to make the path easier to talk. I speak in this video about the importance of this technology to serve like training wheels for people to get used to riding a bike, so they can get a feel of the final sensation such that they would be motivated to develop the discipline necessary to cultivate the feeling without assistance.
Yeah there's no reason that these experiences cannot enhance your overall understanding of deep meditative states.
Yes, we worried about the possible downsides of shortcutting the process of meditation practice but we believe the benefits of having more people experience deep meditation are very much worth it. Indeed, the Dalai Lama recently personally approved of methods like this (personal correspondence with our colleague).
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What you mean cheat your way to something great? What next? I don't think it works that way
Do you even know what meditation is? It purifies the soul conscience. You don't just get away with sin just like that. May as well smoke some pot to calm your guilt.
"10 Years Meditation in 12 minutes". Cody, I feel upset hearing this outlandish kind of claim - it seems inauthenthic and clickbaity. Not to mention, if people believe that kind of claim, I imagine it is a disservice to what meditation is; all biohacking gear merely is a vehicle for self reference to states that one puts themselves in, and so quantifying 10 years of meditation in an amount feels ignorant and fueling comparison/acheievement type thinking. Thanks for reading, i know there is good intention behind your videos.
i don't think this is a good idea. neurofeedback is better because it teaches you how to control yourself. this way just controls you. which could have addictive / dependent side effects