As someone who has owned the SKX for a long time and recently acquired a Citizen Promaster, I feel compelled to express my opinion on the matter. Throughout the years, the Promaster has remained vastly underrated despite its remarkable qualities, outshining the SKX in almost every aspect where they differ. In fact, if we discount the number of clicks on the bezel as a determining factor, the Promaster emerges as the clear winner. It baffles me why this exceptional timepiece has not received the recognition it truly deserves.
I absolutely agree about the value and how good citizen is. But unfortunately the skx just looks better to most people. It has beautiful cushion case curves and now restrained and timeless Design. The pro master is a nice rugged design but the skx is iconic for a reason, it's beautiful. In particular I dislike the Bezel edge on the citizen. Should just be coin edge or are least consistent around the edge. Just my opinion though. Not trying to hate, you have a fantastic watch which is superior in all technical ways.
Tunnel vision and group think my guy. Acquired a pro master years and years ago and thought it was a fantastic value and massively undervalued. I think it primarily comes down to the eco drive quartz movement. Most watch nerds love an auto movement..
We all know why. It boils down to those elitist brand loyalists that overlook their watches shortcomings to remain brainwashed to their worthless paperweights or door stops.
Regarding your comment about them having decent lume, I own a promaster (not this model though) and it has the most amazing lume I've seen on any watch, it's crazy. It shines so bright that even in full daylight, as soon as it's not directly in the sun, you can see the blue glow coming off of the lume. Super impressive, much better than any of my superluminova watches
For an entry level diver, Citizens are great. Eco-Drive gives you quartz accuracy without the concern of battery change. ISO certified divers for a really good price. And I'm ok with mineral crystal. Scratches disappear underwater, and mineral crystal is less prone to shattering than sapphire. And the great thing about an ISO Diver certification is that EVERY SINGLE unit is depth tested to 125% rated depth. Non Diver water resistance ratings do not mean every unit is tested.
They killed the Tissot midsize diver too. That watch may have a greater WR rating but none of it matters when the case, bezel and bezel insert aren't built for purpose like on the full size 43mm Seastar. This Citizen is the midsize beater we were waiting for.
Good to see Citizen getting some love. They have a headquarters in my city, and every year they hold a sidewalk sale where all watches are up to 90% off! I have more Citizens than any other brand, and I like them all.
I’ve had my citizen pro master diver with the blue dial / eco drive for around 3 years now. The date placement has to be one of my favorite things about it.
But I think that a lot of Seiko fans are missing the reality that Seiko has to move up market in order to stay in business as a result of the smart watch onslaught. The low end of the market has been hard hit by smart watches. And Seiko is a horology company. Not a tech company. So they are not going to compete in smart watches. Thus their best option is to go up market ala Rolex, Omega etc ....
I own the larger 44 mm version of this in black and showed the gray/rose gold in the press release to my wife. She immediately said it was a pretty watch. Probably her next birthday present???
Agreed. The Seiko has sapphire crystal, 200m water resistance, drilled lugs, 10 month battery life when fully charged... I like Citizen, but I would take the Seiko any day. And if you shop around, you can get them for under $400.
Hello, Citizens are very underated in opposite of Seiko but they have a incredible quality - price ratio ! I own 5 Seiko's and 5 Citizen's and personally, I think Citizen is a step above Seiko... ...like the NY0040 and the SKX, the dial on the NY0040 looks more "luxurious" with the metal indexes and the "glossy" color. Often when people saying "Seiko's are incredibles", they think about Grand Seiko or some Presages, but not about classic Seiko or Seiko 5 ! And yes, Grand Seiko are incredible and Presages dials are crazier than lots !!! Bye.
One of the best watches that I have in my collection is a small Seiko 5 that I ironically bought on an impulse. It's just really nice in a lot of ways, really small and thin so it guess under your sleeve easily, good looking white dial, has day and date function, the hands could be better to be fair but I still like it a lot. I've also got the perfect strap for it that I didn't even specifically buy for it, it just kinda lined up that way. I only don't wear it as much as I maybe should because it winds only with the rotor, it has a bit of an older movement I think. Even if I do have some watches that I love that are really big, it's hard to deny the ease and convenience small watches bring to the table.
My first Citizen I received this last Christmas. BN0151-09L Blue face and band Prodiver Eco Drive. It keeps great time and haven’t lost a minute yet. Not Sapphire Crystal but no scratches yet and I wear it every day. It does charge under any light and the lume is excellent
Ive been thinking for a while that Seiko left an SKX sized hole in the entry level drivers market when they switched to the 5kx models. My only surprise is how long it took for a major brand to fill that hole for them. This is another good move for Citizen this year. I think they are going to gain some market share in the entry level over the next few years.
The Citizen ny0040 was launched the year after the skx…and has now out lived it, available in more materials and colours. It was the only true Diver’s watch alternative and in my opinion better as I bought one over the skx…
Really so Seiko is liked there... but citizen is there more beloved... apon watch collectors there ... probly cus the high end quarts echo drive .... not to mention There are less and less mechanical watch repair shops .... I'm Shure in Japan they still have them by the plenty ....
@@WB007 the movements are cheaper to produce, but in exchange the overall finishing is better than Seiko especially in the entry level. I don’t think there is anything wrong with a high quality quartz movement… both brands have everything from garbage, to really top finishing
very cool releases from Citizen! And putting the date at the 4 index is a smart move; pretty much blends right in (although a date at the 6 is almost always my preferred placement)
Citizen is killing it with last few releases…. Sport chronographs, dress watches, tsuyosa,new promasters…..for me citizen is doing what seiko should do
The discontinued Promaster BN0000 was 40mm. beautiful layout. It has a small crown, the only con. I wish Citizen would bring it back with a bigger crown and the more current hands. That was a winner. It had a deeper black dial than the current BN0150 and similar
I've got a blue angels and love it, it's the only watch a non-watch person has commented on too. I've been hanging out for a small (desk) diver watch for years and didn't want to overpay to get an SKX013 second hand. I recently saw this on Citizen on sale for about $150USD, couldn't stop thinking about the blue one so I purchased it. Great video, Citizen deserves way more attention for their watches, they're practical, well made and look great!
Been wearing solar-powered radio-sync Citizens based on the old H145 movement for years, though recently I usually wear a thermocompensated quartz Certina instead. (I’m a tall guy but the Certina is a unisex-looking women’s model because I rather like a smaller watch: 32mm in this case.) Radio sync with WWVB is problematic in south Florida, sadly. Very much a soft spot for Citizen. I wish they were thermocompensated quartz but I guess they expect that the radio sync will almost always work BECAUSE IT DOES IN JAPAN.
H145 is a great movement. Reception is the best of all my radio controlled watches. Even in a drawer in a dressing room far away from a window, it receives every night. Mind you, I’m in Belgium.
Another great option for smaller wrists is the 37mm Rado Captain Cook. OK, yeah, a good bit more expensive and the crown kinda sucks... but I still love it. 👍
Citizen Watch Promaster BJ7111-86L [Marine Series Eco-Drive GMT Diver Blue] It is not officially sold in the USA but there are stores that ship to us. I am looking to get one it’s $400
i want to want a citizen, but in person seiko almost universally just looks better for not much more money. seiko has a small diver that competes directly w/ these 37mm watches in the video and yet it just looks so much more classic
Dude...I'll be sticking with my LE MM300, LE MM200 and LE 62MAS Seiko Divers (along with a Sumo for a beater). Thanks for the deep thought put into the clickbait video title, but the Seikos hold way more appeal to me vs. the Citizen offerings. If anything, Citizen has yet to tell me a good story that gets me to buy in, and I'm not quite sold on the aesthetics either. As an example, the spaced machining on the rotating bezel edge somehow triggers my OCD. Eco drive is certainly cool tech notwithstanding Seiko's Prospex Solar watches, but they (the Citizen Divers) simply do not look as good in my view. That said, in the universe I currently inhabit, Seiko is alive and well and making some incredibly appealing watches.
I like both Seiko and Citizen. But it seems your overlooking the new Seiko 5 sport 38mm!! 37 vs 38 is negligible, especially with seiko on wrist wearability. Now Citizen is 200m vs 100m….which really only matters to actually divers. But I would say Seiko has better lume and I prefer seikos dials and layout. Price is pretty close too with citizen 225-275 and seiko at 250-300. I’m just saying that seiko released their 38mm 4 month before Citizen!!!😊
My citizen eco drive black is a watch I bought to use as a beater when I don’t want to get my Sub 114060 scratched up. And it’s so good, that’s it’s literally stealing wrist time. It’s a fantastic watch and comfortable AF.
I have SKX and first gen Monster, last year I bought Promaster eco drive green, best 170$ I have ever spent. Quality is miles better than Seikos I have and movement is a joy to own. 4r35 movement can be bought for 40$ and e168 movement goes for 90$ meaning that Seiko charges way more for the brand.
I think Citizen was late to launching The Promaster 37mm models. Why ? Cause Seiko already launched Model Prospex PADI Solar Diver SNE569, 571, 573, 575 ....... The specification is : - 38mm case diameter - Solar power movement - 46mm lug to lug - 20mm lug width - drill lug hole (for easy strap changes) - Sapphire glass - 200m water resistant - 120 click bezel rotation (aluminum bezel insert) - Price around US $ 335 Please don't compare Eco Drive (Solar) watch with automatic movement watch, cause not Apple to Apple. Seiko is already launching Seiko 5 automatic sports 38mm, too.
I have 3 Citizen watch & love it. They build quality like a tank & better build quality than my Seiko. Citizen aren't "KILL THE SEIKO" but just "FOLLOW THE SEIKO"
I can't see the sizing being popular with men. I'm a man with a 6.25 inch wrist and consider a 37mm in a dive watch is too small. The bezel reduces the dial size. While it's great that the ladies have a proper dive watch, I'd really like a 39/40mm pro master to fill the gap between this and the regular 44mm case.
I've been singing the praises of Citizen for 20 yrs. Collecting vintage has proven they are much more robust, their manual and automatic movements are better designed and far more durable, never had ANY problems with fine tuning their timing, just all round bette watches at a superior price point . I started out with a handful of Seiko's, ALL OF THEM dropped indices and date surrounds in hot temperatures. Battery life was poor , even with genuine Seiko batteries fitted.. I've got Citizens dating back to the early 40's , mostly 60's onwards though. all still working just fine, other than the ones bought very cheaply for spares. Anyone that hasn't already done so, give them a go, you won't regret it.
Seiko has made a solar in 38mm, mine does around +1s/month for the 6 months I've had it. It's just extremely poorly covered on RUclips and most don't know it even exists... Got it in black, green, brown, blue and grey, I prefer the SNE573 black one, as goes with any strap... They cost about the same, has sapphire ISO divers rating and also 20 bar...
@@Anirossa I know exactly which one you're referring to. Great watch but I prefer the more "original" design of the SKX or the pro diver. Just a matter of preferences really.
@@Anirossa The Seiko has very disproportionate lug to lug length. I bought it and returned it. The Citizen can be often found at much lower price than the suggested one. I would imagine these will go for $190-250. Also Citizen itself often has 25% off sales on their website
@Stefano Giovannini Comes down to preferences, lugs a plus for me as my wrist are thin and wide. Yeah, the Citizen is cheaper, but in the same ball park in price. So it depends on what one likes
Love the blue one. Had been wanting promaster for a long time but can't wear them as they are too large for my tiny wrists. This and casio gshock s2100 seem to be the best bet for me.
Seiko led me to abandon automatic watches. Maybe 25+ seconds fast daily is good enough for some, but not for me. I replaced my daily wear watch with a Citizen EcoDrive. In the last six months, this Citizen Promaster Diver (BN0198-56H) has picked up "maybe" 5 seconds. I bought another Citizen (BN0150-28E), and it runs within 1 second every 6 months of the first. I need my watches to tell (accurate) time, and Citizen EcoDrives deliver on that.
Same does my Seiko solar diver, though not as accurate, it does +1s/month. But yeah, like mechanical movements, as long as they are Miyota or Swiss, seiko's automatics are a bad joke.
@@Anirossathis is exactly the point. Seiko automatic movements are a hit or a miss, Iike you I go for accuracy, and so probably will go for an Oris Aquis instead a Seiko SPB 143 for my next diver.
Been waiting for a smaller promaster but this just seems a bit too small. And it doesn't have the same vibe as the 44mm's. If they just duplicated the 44mm in 38 or 39mm it'll be perfect imo
These Citizen diver’s watches look good. There several Seiko SNE 38mm x 11mm x 46mm solar diver’s (ISO) watches available. Some of them for $300. Citizen is riding coattails. All of em do it so I’m not being disparaging.
I have two 42mm Citizen Promaster Divers, black w green bezel & gold w black bezel & red arrow minute hand. Eco drive is awesome. Love I can put it on and not have to worry about it. One thing I wish they did have, sapphire instead of mineral and open back casing but thats just my preference. I love the crown & date window being at the 4o clock and always have that’s part of what appealed to me when I got the Promasters
I don't go crazy for citizen but it's hard to argue they aren't making some good watches. My girlfriend was flexing on me the other day because her citizen watch she paid $120 is solar powered, has an electronically automated world timer feature, and the date is controlled by perpetual calendar. I wear automatic watches, I'd have to spend many thousands of dollars to get that stuff.
Totally agree on the offer Seiko has for women, it sucks, I got my mother a regular Seiko 5. Also yeah, as someone who has both the SKX and the NY0040, the Flightmaster and the Nighthawk and the BN0150 I can say that Citizen overall puts more effort into quality control. While they don't have the same history and as many iconic pieces they definitely are an outstanding brand and this 37mm offer looks great, especially the blue one. When the prices drop a bit I'll definitely consider it.
With you on the date placement. My most expensive piece has that placement and I’d rather see it at the 6 or the 3. Alternatively they could orient the number so it’s upright as some makers do; it looks like they thought of the details. That said I’m a huge fan of Citizen!
I wish there are Swatch Group brands that would get in the game making Swiss Made Seiko alternatives, especially diving chronos, using the rebuildable ETA caliber 251.264
Why are you not talking about the Citizen diver 40mm auto Lefty vs the Skx Seiko? Dude, I have a collection and I love my Citizen over my Seiko auto…and maybe people will fight me.
There used to be the Promaster BN0000 that was 40mm. beautiful layout. It has a small crown, the only con. I wish Citizen would bring it back with a bigger crown and the more current hands. That was a winner.
I own the full size in Black and Green, and will be picking up the blue Pepsi and the new orange next week. Love these watches vs my skx007 and even my new sekio GMT and my Casio duro. Quality built, keeps great time, and overall super bang for the buck!!!
Jory you couldn’t be more wrong about Seiko not being in this category. I own a beautiful Seiko 38mm solar powered diver that cost me $375 SNE575. This Citizen looks great but doesn’t offer anything more than the Seiko. Please do a better job of research before making such strong statements.
All Citezin' s bezels align unlike Seiko . I am looking more at Citezin because i am not paying 1200 usd for a Seiko . Or pay for those crappy Seiko 5s
Citizen's bezels may feel cheap to rotate. They're typically gritty, notchy and hollow feeling on some of the newer models. Seiko has that 120 click glide mechanism with a different sound for full clicks and half clicks. Great stuff. Alignment is solved by taking it back to the store or with DIY, although the prices don't align with some QC episodes. Seiko needs serious work!
I don’t mind the date position. It’s the crown that annoys me a lot. I like it at three. I don’t mind it at nine. But at 12, four or eight don’t like. I’ll never buy a watch with the crown there.
The lack of lug to lug sizing info from manufacturers like Citizen is baffling to me. 🤷 Also citizen's sizing images are often completely wrong. Whoever is making the images is counting the crown but the guy measuring is not including the crown so the whole image is way off. I do love my Citizen watch and I've seen many awesome designs from them. But I think their web team is just asleep on the job.
The just need to refine their more "elegant" proposals, because they can be a bit more boring than presages and several of the prospects. This is subjective. You can easily see the high quality in The Citizen watches, but if you zoom out, the designs are a bit bland.
Very cool watches. I have an skx007 which I love. Pro masters look more sporty to me than skx which have some pretensions to dress/luxury. To me these go head to head with seiko solar tuna. I’d go citizen every time.
NEED. literally the only thing stopping me buying a promaste was the original case size with my stick wrists. love the look, solid movement, short lugs and some insane lume
Why... Why why why do they always go to the extreme other direction TOO MUCH! 37mm for a diver?? Yeah the original promaster was too big for me. But going from 44 to 37 is ridiculous (and i have 6.5" wrists). 38 minimum. 39-40 would've been much better
The original Pro master diver is 42 mm. The NY0040. The first Fugu also. They wear smaller than de SKX. Try one they are still cheap and with real diving pedigree (Marina Militare).
Are you kidding me? 36.5mm? Why must Citizen live at the extremes? The original was too big at 44mm, and this new one is too small. Sweet spot for a smaller diver is 39mm, maybe 38.
As someone who has owned the SKX for a long time and recently acquired a Citizen Promaster, I feel compelled to express my opinion on the matter. Throughout the years, the Promaster has remained vastly underrated despite its remarkable qualities, outshining the SKX in almost every aspect where they differ. In fact, if we discount the number of clicks on the bezel as a determining factor, the Promaster emerges as the clear winner. It baffles me why this exceptional timepiece has not received the recognition it truly deserves.
I absolutely agree about the value and how good citizen is. But unfortunately the skx just looks better to most people. It has beautiful cushion case curves and now restrained and timeless Design. The pro master is a nice rugged design but the skx is iconic for a reason, it's beautiful. In particular I dislike the Bezel edge on the citizen. Should just be coin edge or are least consistent around the edge. Just my opinion though. Not trying to hate, you have a fantastic watch which is superior in all technical ways.
Tunnel vision and group think my guy. Acquired a pro master years and years ago and thought it was a fantastic value and massively undervalued. I think it primarily comes down to the eco drive quartz movement. Most watch nerds love an auto movement..
I don't need the approval of the masses. I rather have the best kept secret. I love my promaster Divers.
We all know why. It boils down to those elitist brand loyalists that overlook their watches shortcomings to remain brainwashed to their worthless paperweights or door stops.
Just picked one up. The case is 36mm and the top of the bezel is 35mm. The Lug to lug is a hair over 42mm.
Regarding your comment about them having decent lume, I own a promaster (not this model though) and it has the most amazing lume I've seen on any watch, it's crazy. It shines so bright that even in full daylight, as soon as it's not directly in the sun, you can see the blue glow coming off of the lume. Super impressive, much better than any of my superluminova watches
For an entry level diver, Citizens are great. Eco-Drive gives you quartz accuracy without the concern of battery change. ISO certified divers for a really good price. And I'm ok with mineral crystal. Scratches disappear underwater, and mineral crystal is less prone to shattering than sapphire.
And the great thing about an ISO Diver certification is that EVERY SINGLE unit is depth tested to 125% rated depth.
Non Diver water resistance ratings do not mean every unit is tested.
you can buy dial protectors in tempered glass or some film, any diameter for different watches. easy to do on a non domed crystal.
They killed the Tissot midsize diver too. That watch may have a greater WR rating but none of it matters when the case, bezel and bezel insert aren't built for purpose like on the full size 43mm Seastar. This Citizen is the midsize beater we were waiting for.
Good to see Citizen getting some love. They have a headquarters in my city, and every year they hold a sidewalk sale where all watches are up to 90% off! I have more Citizens than any other brand, and I like them all.
I’ve had my citizen pro master diver with the blue dial / eco drive for around 3 years now. The date placement has to be one of my favorite things about it.
But I think that a lot of Seiko fans are missing the reality that Seiko has to move up market in order to stay in business as a result of the smart watch onslaught. The low end of the market has been hard hit by smart watches. And Seiko is a horology company. Not a tech company. So they are not going to compete in smart watches. Thus their best option is to go up market ala Rolex, Omega etc ....
I own the larger 44 mm version of this in black and showed the gray/rose gold in the press release to my wife. She immediately said it was a pretty watch. Probably her next birthday present???
I do like the Seiko SNE573 Solar divers in 38mm more, but really glad more watches like this is being made, none the less!
Agreed. The Seiko has sapphire crystal, 200m water resistance, drilled lugs, 10 month battery life when fully charged... I like Citizen, but I would take the Seiko any day. And if you shop around, you can get them for under $400.
I was going to say…Seiko has a 38mm solar diver that’s been out that beats this Citizen for me. I have the SNE569 and I love it.
I love my SBDN069, but the black in this is tempting rather than just adding the black SNE/SBDN.
Hello,
Citizens are very underated in opposite of Seiko but they have a incredible quality - price ratio !
I own 5 Seiko's and 5 Citizen's and personally, I think Citizen is a step above Seiko...
...like the NY0040 and the SKX, the dial on the NY0040 looks more "luxurious" with the metal indexes and the "glossy" color.
Often when people saying "Seiko's are incredibles", they think about Grand Seiko or some Presages, but not about classic Seiko or Seiko 5 !
And yes, Grand Seiko are incredible and Presages dials are crazier than lots !!!
Bye.
One of the best watches that I have in my collection is a small Seiko 5 that I ironically bought on an impulse. It's just really nice in a lot of ways, really small and thin so it guess under your sleeve easily, good looking white dial, has day and date function, the hands could be better to be fair but I still like it a lot. I've also got the perfect strap for it that I didn't even specifically buy for it, it just kinda lined up that way. I only don't wear it as much as I maybe should because it winds only with the rotor, it has a bit of an older movement I think.
Even if I do have some watches that I love that are really big, it's hard to deny the ease and convenience small watches bring to the table.
My first Citizen I received this last Christmas. BN0151-09L
Blue face and band Prodiver Eco Drive. It keeps great time and haven’t lost a minute yet. Not Sapphire Crystal but no scratches yet and I wear it every day. It does charge under any light and the lume is excellent
Ive been thinking for a while that Seiko left an SKX sized hole in the entry level drivers market when they switched to the 5kx models. My only surprise is how long it took for a major brand to fill that hole for them. This is another good move for Citizen this year. I think they are going to gain some market share in the entry level over the next few years.
The Citizen ny0040 was launched the year after the skx…and has now out lived it, available in more materials and colours. It was the only true Diver’s watch alternative and in my opinion better as I bought one over the skx…
The BN0150 series have been out for years.
This is just the female version, which has also been out for years in a black and a blue variant.
i feel a prospex 36mm is coming soon
@@pb6839 😂😂😂
I don’t mind the date at 4, just hate it between the 4 & the 5
Agree, I'm fine with it when the crown is at 4 as well.
i was just in Japan and i was surprised that the watch community there is alot more obsessed with citizen than with seiko.
Really so Seiko is liked there... but citizen is there more beloved... apon watch collectors there ... probly cus the high end quarts echo drive .... not to mention There are less and less mechanical watch repair shops .... I'm Shure in Japan they still have them by the plenty ....
This is very accurate. Same is true of Philippines. They hate seiko and view it as cheap. Citizen is much more highly regarded
When I first time felt a similar priced seiko prospex, I was surprised how cheap it felt compared to my ecodrive promaster.
@@WB007 the movements are cheaper to produce, but in exchange the overall finishing is better than Seiko especially in the entry level. I don’t think there is anything wrong with a high quality quartz movement… both brands have everything from garbage, to really top finishing
Seiko's smaller divers like the SNE585 are pretty similar. I love all these smaller divers coming out.
those are ladies watches
@@theyhateme8763 Why?
@@JaythanRodriguez because you have to have a ladies wrist to wear them
@@theyhateme8763 I can see you no very little about the actual history of watches.
@@turnbasedtoddy7664 yes, I think he is wrong.
very cool releases from Citizen! And putting the date at the 4 index is a smart move; pretty much blends right in (although a date at the 6 is almost always my preferred placement)
I'm wearing my SKX013 when I stumbled upon this video. Those new Citizens are indeed...fire!
Citizen is killing it with last few releases…. Sport chronographs, dress watches, tsuyosa,new promasters…..for me citizen is doing what seiko should do
You can pick up the black variant of this watch from Masters In Time for just $212.43
The discontinued Promaster BN0000 was 40mm. beautiful layout. It has a small crown, the only con. I wish Citizen would bring it back with a bigger crown and the more current hands. That was a winner. It had a deeper black dial than the current BN0150 and similar
I've got a blue angels and love it, it's the only watch a non-watch person has commented on too.
I've been hanging out for a small (desk) diver watch for years and didn't want to overpay to get an SKX013 second hand.
I recently saw this on Citizen on sale for about $150USD, couldn't stop thinking about the blue one so I purchased it.
Great video, Citizen deserves way more attention for their watches, they're practical, well made and look great!
Been wearing solar-powered radio-sync Citizens based on the old H145 movement for years, though recently I usually wear a thermocompensated quartz Certina instead. (I’m a tall guy but the Certina is a unisex-looking women’s model because I rather like a smaller watch: 32mm in this case.) Radio sync with WWVB is problematic in south Florida, sadly. Very much a soft spot for Citizen. I wish they were thermocompensated quartz but I guess they expect that the radio sync will almost always work BECAUSE IT DOES IN JAPAN.
H145 is a great movement.
Reception is the best of all my radio controlled watches.
Even in a drawer in a dressing room far away from a window, it receives every night.
Mind you, I’m in Belgium.
Excellent releases. The size makes it an excellent sports-casual-beater for everyone.
Another great option for smaller wrists is the 37mm Rado Captain Cook. OK, yeah, a good bit more expensive and the crown kinda sucks... but I still love it. 👍
I once saw Promaster Dive with L/L at 30-something millimetres, and damn I love it and how cute it was
Don't forget that Miyota (part of Citizen) released the 9075 true GMT movement, while Seiko only managed to release a caller GMT movement in the NH34.
All the watches with the miyota in it are more expensive though. You have to factor that in
And citizen doesn't have a GMT.
Citizen Watch Promaster BJ7111-86L [Marine Series Eco-Drive GMT Diver Blue]
It is not officially sold in the USA but there are stores that ship to us. I am looking to get one it’s $400
i want to want a citizen, but in person seiko almost universally just looks better for not much more money. seiko has a small diver that competes directly w/ these 37mm watches in the video and yet it just looks so much more classic
Price??
Dude...I'll be sticking with my LE MM300, LE MM200 and LE 62MAS Seiko Divers (along with a Sumo for a beater). Thanks for the deep thought put into the clickbait video title, but the Seikos hold way more appeal to me vs. the Citizen offerings. If anything, Citizen has yet to tell me a good story that gets me to buy in, and I'm not quite sold on the aesthetics either. As an example, the spaced machining on the rotating bezel edge somehow triggers my OCD. Eco drive is certainly cool tech notwithstanding Seiko's Prospex Solar watches, but they (the Citizen Divers) simply do not look as good in my view. That said, in the universe I currently inhabit, Seiko is alive and well and making some incredibly appealing watches.
I like both Seiko and Citizen. But it seems your overlooking the new Seiko 5 sport 38mm!! 37 vs 38 is negligible, especially with seiko on wrist wearability. Now Citizen is 200m vs 100m….which really only matters to actually divers. But I would say Seiko has better lume and I prefer seikos dials and layout. Price is pretty close too with citizen 225-275 and seiko at 250-300. I’m just saying that seiko released their 38mm 4 month before Citizen!!!😊
My citizen eco drive black is a watch I bought to use as a beater when I don’t want to get my Sub 114060 scratched up. And it’s so good, that’s it’s literally stealing wrist time. It’s a fantastic watch and comfortable AF.
I have SKX and first gen Monster, last year I bought Promaster eco drive green, best 170$ I have ever spent. Quality is miles better than Seikos I have and movement is a joy to own. 4r35 movement can be bought for 40$ and e168 movement goes for 90$ meaning that Seiko charges way more for the brand.
I think Citizen was late to launching The Promaster 37mm models. Why ?
Cause Seiko already launched Model Prospex PADI Solar Diver SNE569, 571, 573, 575 .......
The specification is :
- 38mm case diameter
- Solar power movement
- 46mm lug to lug
- 20mm lug width
- drill lug hole (for easy strap changes)
- Sapphire glass
- 200m water resistant
- 120 click bezel rotation (aluminum bezel insert)
- Price around US $ 335
Please don't compare Eco Drive (Solar) watch with automatic movement watch, cause not Apple to Apple.
Seiko is already launching Seiko 5 automatic sports 38mm, too.
I have 3 Citizen watch & love it. They build quality like a tank & better build quality than my Seiko.
Citizen aren't "KILL THE SEIKO" but just "FOLLOW THE SEIKO"
I can't see the sizing being popular with men. I'm a man with a 6.25 inch wrist and consider a 37mm in a dive watch is too small. The bezel reduces the dial size. While it's great that the ladies have a proper dive watch, I'd really like a 39/40mm pro master to fill the gap between this and the regular 44mm case.
I was rocking 2 citizens (both hydro modded) eco drive divers the last couple of days.
I've been singing the praises of Citizen for 20 yrs. Collecting vintage has proven they are much more robust, their manual and automatic movements are better designed and far more durable, never had ANY problems with fine tuning their timing, just all round bette watches at a superior price point . I started out with a handful of Seiko's, ALL OF THEM dropped indices and date surrounds in hot temperatures. Battery life was poor , even with genuine Seiko batteries fitted.. I've got Citizens dating back to the early 40's , mostly 60's onwards though. all still working just fine, other than the ones bought very cheaply for spares.
Anyone that hasn't already done so, give them a go, you won't regret it.
Definitely getting the black one. I've been dreaming for a SKX013 solar true diver and citizen delivered it.
Seiko has made a solar in 38mm, mine does around +1s/month for the 6 months I've had it. It's just extremely poorly covered on RUclips and most don't know it even exists...
Got it in black, green, brown, blue and grey, I prefer the SNE573 black one, as goes with any strap... They cost about the same, has sapphire ISO divers rating and also 20 bar...
@@Anirossa I know exactly which one you're referring to. Great watch but I prefer the more "original" design of the SKX or the pro diver. Just a matter of preferences really.
@@Anirossa The Seiko has very disproportionate lug to lug length. I bought it and returned it. The Citizen can be often found at much lower price than the suggested one. I would imagine these will go for $190-250. Also Citizen itself often has 25% off sales on their website
@Stefano Giovannini Comes down to preferences, lugs a plus for me as my wrist are thin and wide. Yeah, the Citizen is cheaper, but in the same ball park in price. So it depends on what one likes
@Pep Rex Need a led light and a glass to see it on my black dial... and as a mechanical engineer, I think it's cool 😂
Love the blue one. Had been wanting promaster for a long time but can't wear them as they are too large for my tiny wrists. This and casio gshock s2100 seem to be the best bet for me.
Seiko led me to abandon automatic watches. Maybe 25+ seconds fast daily is good enough for some, but not for me. I replaced my daily wear watch with a Citizen EcoDrive. In the last six months, this Citizen Promaster Diver (BN0198-56H) has picked up "maybe" 5 seconds. I bought another Citizen (BN0150-28E), and it runs within 1 second every 6 months of the first. I need my watches to tell (accurate) time, and Citizen EcoDrives deliver on that.
Same does my Seiko solar diver, though not as accurate, it does +1s/month. But yeah, like mechanical movements, as long as they are Miyota or Swiss, seiko's automatics are a bad joke.
@@Anirossathis is exactly the point. Seiko automatic movements are a hit or a miss, Iike you I go for accuracy, and so probably will go for an Oris Aquis instead a Seiko SPB 143 for my next diver.
Just got mine yesterday! Got the Black EO2020-08E! I am really liking it. It pairs so well with my SKX013!
How about Seiko’s Arnie? Solar. Hybrid analog/digital. I bought mine for a little under $300
Is this ISO certified like the original?
I've migrated from Seiko to Citizen and Omega to Sinn, as they are more functional and durable. I admit though that I still have a SM GMT 50th😅.
Been waiting for a smaller promaster but this just seems a bit too small. And it doesn't have the same vibe as the 44mm's. If they just duplicated the 44mm in 38 or 39mm it'll be perfect imo
Check the NY0040 series. It's is 42 mm, automatic, but perfect size for me. Looks smaller then really are.
@@idntrmmbr5321 I love this watch too, it's a different class to the eco drive and I want them both lol
I have both. So I totally understand 😁
These Citizen diver’s watches look good. There several Seiko SNE 38mm x 11mm x 46mm solar diver’s (ISO) watches available. Some of them for $300. Citizen is riding coattails. All of em do it so I’m not being disparaging.
I have two 42mm Citizen Promaster Divers, black w green bezel & gold w black bezel & red arrow minute hand. Eco drive is awesome. Love I can put it on and not have to worry about it. One thing I wish they did have, sapphire instead of mineral and open back casing but thats just my preference. I love the crown & date window being at the 4o clock and always have that’s part of what appealed to me when I got the Promasters
They have mineral for a reason - it is less likely to crack under water hitting objects compared to a sapphire. Full-on purpose-built dive watches :)
Looks like I just bought the the pink for the wife! She absolutely loved the look.
Please... you will know when the new promaster BN0166-01L arrives on sale
Agreed….I already ordered one for my wife. These are perfect for smaller wrist.
I don't go crazy for citizen but it's hard to argue they aren't making some good watches. My girlfriend was flexing on me the other day because her citizen watch she paid $120 is solar powered, has an electronically automated world timer feature, and the date is controlled by perpetual calendar. I wear automatic watches, I'd have to spend many thousands of dollars to get that stuff.
Another good citizen diver 🔥
I have a Seiko SKX013K2 diver in my collection for 12 years & i would never ever ever ever ever get of it for everything.
Totally agree on the offer Seiko has for women, it sucks, I got my mother a regular Seiko 5. Also yeah, as someone who has both the SKX and the NY0040, the Flightmaster and the Nighthawk and the BN0150 I can say that Citizen overall puts more effort into quality control. While they don't have the same history and as many iconic pieces they definitely are an outstanding brand and this 37mm offer looks great, especially the blue one.
When the prices drop a bit I'll definitely consider it.
With you on the date placement. My most expensive piece has that placement and I’d rather see it at the 6 or the 3. Alternatively they could orient the number so it’s upright as some makers do; it looks like they thought of the details.
That said I’m a huge fan of Citizen!
Yes citizen is doings things right and they pretty much taken the affordable market that seiko use to have
Citizen has been killing Seiko for over 10 years. You just figured it out.
Citizen QC has always been better than Seiko I find. As a recreational scuba diver, I see way more citizen divers on peoples wrists than Seiko's.
I wish there are Swatch Group brands that would get in the game making Swiss Made Seiko alternatives, especially diving chronos, using the rebuildable ETA caliber 251.264
Hope they offer size options for their other models as well.
The compact solar 38mm divers are much nicer and with a thinner case.
I love the black one, I just wish it had a 20mm instead of 18mm lug width
Citizen is the type of brand you gift just as he did to his dad and like I gave my son for his graduation. Tag is another gift brand so is swatch.
Nah. This is an L take. You don’t know about both brands if you consider them gift watches.
Why are you not talking about the Citizen diver 40mm auto Lefty vs the Skx Seiko?
Dude, I have a collection and I love my Citizen over my Seiko auto…and maybe people will fight me.
Seiko is trying too hard become Rolex and Citizen is still Citizen
I really like it but why can’t they make something about 39/40mm
There used to be the Promaster BN0000 that was 40mm. beautiful layout. It has a small crown, the only con. I wish Citizen would bring it back with a bigger crown and the more current hands. That was a winner.
I'd buy one right now, except for my deal breaker complication is missing- DAY and date. :(
Bruh really clickbaited real bad. Got the click ig but still. 😅😅
I won't even hit a like or unlike because this is stupid... That's like saying Rolex took over AP..🙄
I'll get one soon. high accuracy quartz watch Tissot seamaster 1000 36mm.could be considered and similar price bracket
I own the full size in Black and Green, and will be picking up the blue Pepsi and the new orange next week. Love these watches vs my skx007 and even my new sekio GMT and my Casio duro. Quality built, keeps great time, and overall super bang for the buck!!!
I just ordered the blue version for the summer beach holiday !
I am a Seiko guy myself but I agree. Citizen have been bring out good looking watches.
Jory you couldn’t be more wrong about Seiko not being in this category. I own a beautiful Seiko 38mm solar powered diver that cost me $375 SNE575. This Citizen looks great but doesn’t offer anything more than the Seiko. Please do a better job of research before making such strong statements.
Seikos brands for women are the Lukia, Dolce, Agnes b. and Alba.
The pink strap is dope. You'd just have to get yourself a producer Michael shirt
I found this watch obsessive guy named Brandon in Alaska Jory. He thinks he can out lift you. STC represent.
Been waiting for seiko to bring back the skx013 but now citizen came out with the 37..i will purchase that one...
Can't wait for the skx013
All Citezin' s bezels align unlike Seiko . I am looking more at Citezin because i am not paying 1200 usd for a Seiko . Or pay for those crappy Seiko 5s
Citizen's bezels may feel cheap to rotate. They're typically gritty, notchy and hollow feeling on some of the newer models. Seiko has that 120 click glide mechanism with a different sound for full clicks and half clicks. Great stuff. Alignment is solved by taking it back to the store or with DIY, although the prices don't align with some QC episodes. Seiko needs serious work!
Not bad. a bit small as in size 37mm but how ever need 1 to go with my watch collection
Side by side with a Casio Duro its very similar. Odviosly the movement, details and quality are better. I like it. And I'm loving the price point.
I don’t mind the date position. It’s the crown that annoys me a lot. I like it at three. I don’t mind it at nine. But at 12, four or eight don’t like. I’ll never buy a watch with the crown there.
I find them a bit expensive compared to my Promaster Diver automatic, in titanium (!) for 300ish euros. Other than that, nothing wrong with them.
The lack of lug to lug sizing info from manufacturers like Citizen is baffling to me. 🤷 Also citizen's sizing images are often completely wrong. Whoever is making the images is counting the crown but the guy measuring is not including the crown so the whole image is way off. I do love my Citizen watch and I've seen many awesome designs from them. But I think their web team is just asleep on the job.
The just need to refine their more "elegant" proposals, because they can be a bit more boring than presages and several of the prospects. This is subjective. You can easily see the high quality in The Citizen watches, but if you zoom out, the designs are a bit bland.
Don’t kid yourself. You’d rock that pink strap.
Very cool watches. I have an skx007 which I love. Pro masters look more sporty to me than skx which have some pretensions to dress/luxury. To me these go head to head with seiko solar tuna. I’d go citizen every time.
I absolutely love this one will be getting one for sure! Thanks for the review!
Next addition to my small collection, delivery soon😊
NEED. literally the only thing stopping me buying a promaste was the original case size with my stick wrists.
love the look, solid movement, short lugs and some insane lume
I would say the new 36mm seiko Divers have these beat. Almost $400 for this is crazy. I like it but that price needs to be about $250.
@@PepRex you got the watch in this video for $200?
And I bet the bezels actually line up too 😀
This one fits in my ridiculous small wrist
Perfect size for me. Thanks for the video.
Why... Why why why do they always go to the extreme other direction TOO MUCH! 37mm for a diver?? Yeah the original promaster was too big for me. But going from 44 to 37 is ridiculous (and i have 6.5" wrists). 38 minimum. 39-40 would've been much better
The original Pro master diver is 42 mm. The NY0040. The first Fugu also. They wear smaller than de SKX. Try one they are still cheap and with real diving pedigree (Marina Militare).
I agree that these are great sizes, but I am disappointed in Citizen for marketing them as ladies diver's watches.
this vs the sne573 ( solar movement diver line ) in a review would be a good battle 🔥
Like the watch, but the strap is too bulky for the size.
I like all my Citizen watches all Eco-Pro. I got rid of all my Seiko's years ago. I really don't care for the bands on these Citizen's
Are you kidding me? 36.5mm? Why must Citizen live at the extremes? The original was too big at 44mm, and this new one is too small. Sweet spot for a smaller diver is 39mm, maybe 38.
Citizen need to make that blue version in their NY00** line.
there is. NY0100 NY0085 etc