Gene Simmons Killed Rock Music | Mike The Music Snob Reacts

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    Gene Simmons of KISS said in his interview with Henry Rollins that the record industry (and by extension rock music) died and the fans killed it. I argue that it is actually Gene who killed it. Copyright means a lot less to the artist than you realize.
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  • @TheMegaGamingKid
    @TheMegaGamingKid 6 лет назад +503

    title should've been entitled 'Reaction to Gene Simmons being Gene Simmons'

  • @jimmyneal3625
    @jimmyneal3625 6 лет назад +986

    This made me think back to an article I read about Iron Maiden using piracy numbers to see where the most downloads of their songs was coming from. They planned their touring around it and found well major success selling out multiple shows. My point is instead of crying about how the business is dying and hating the fans Iron Maiden used the information to not go oh no look at all these "illegal" downloads. they was like oh look we have tons of fans in such and such place lets go there and there and there. They sold out shows and you know sold a fuck ton of merch.

    • @donicsm7684
      @donicsm7684 6 лет назад +44

      Jimmy Neal holy shit that’s awesome!

    • @tommywho924
      @tommywho924 6 лет назад +65

      Didn't know it was possible for me to love them even more

    • @tominatorxx
      @tominatorxx 6 лет назад +59

      What Maiden does, is called being smart
      What Gene does, is called being a doucheb*g
      Seriously Gene could have said "money" and "Who cares about the art of music" as an answer to every question that was asked. It would have saved a lot of time to come to the same meaning behind the answers...

    • @jayparks6266
      @jayparks6266 6 лет назад +9

      maybe its why they made that interviewer a few yrs back take his Iron Maiden shirt off and replaced it with their KISS shirt lol

    • @javila6341
      @javila6341 6 лет назад +23

      Iron Maiden were always incredibly talented musicians true artists, Harrison is an excellent composer that alone kicks KISS out on the water....Gene you are a Greedy bastard lol

  • @mookelman
    @mookelman 6 лет назад +1174

    I just wish guitar solos were a thing in mainstream music again.

    • @paleontologi485
      @paleontologi485 6 лет назад +80

      Creeping Death Or just disorted guitar in general

    • @Shortened2Max
      @Shortened2Max 6 лет назад +64

      As a big fan of hip hop (as well as rock, obviously), I've been advocating for the insertion of tasteful guitar solos into rap and RnB. Listen to Kanye's work, frank oceans Channel Orange, etc. I think a huge opportunity for guitar in hip hop is being neglected.

    • @danielnodland4072
      @danielnodland4072 6 лет назад +47

      Being completely honest, even short solos clocking in at 30-60 seconds would be fine.

    • @YoniIsrael
      @YoniIsrael 6 лет назад +27

      excpt for 'beat it' (which also have a pretty killer riff) can you find one good guitar solo in pop music?

    • @paleontologi485
      @paleontologi485 6 лет назад +11

      Yoni The K Beat It isn't really "todays mainstream"

  • @Angemix93
    @Angemix93 6 лет назад +242

    As a visual artist and music lover, I think musicians teaming up with visual artists to create a well rounded brand and image is one of the smartest things they can do in this day and age. That is very appealing to me at least, and very creative things can be accomplished.

    • @toshitvaidya9901
      @toshitvaidya9901 6 лет назад +13

      Angélica Ramos this is America has been a really good example for it

    • @Iheartdgd
      @Iheartdgd 6 лет назад +3

      Image is huge and will sell just about anything

    • @TheMountainHowl
      @TheMountainHowl 5 лет назад

      The film maker/photographer/graphic designer/coder/painter/whatever will charge much more than the musician. The musician still loses.

    • @Carbon2861996
      @Carbon2861996 4 года назад +2

      Preach!

    • @ACEDIAMOND666
      @ACEDIAMOND666 3 года назад +2

      Angelica, you make a good argument.
      I'd love to team up and try it.

  • @Ado1271
    @Ado1271 6 лет назад +162

    Record labels are one of the biggest problems in todays music.

    • @soulphoenix13
      @soulphoenix13 6 лет назад +35

      Always been. Since the 50's artists have been getting screwed, especially artists of color. Look what happened to Motown and Doo Wop performers. They literally performed for almost no profit, not being compensated for their material. Records companies also provide loans to a band/artist but require them to pay for recording in the studio, promotion, shooting videos, etc. Even if a band is new, all the latter works against their cut.
      It's disgusting.

    • @chrissantos5580
      @chrissantos5580 6 лет назад +6

      BTW labels are making more money now then they have in years

    • @magicsteve5523
      @magicsteve5523 4 года назад +2

      Except the smaller DIY labels that actually help the bands they sign

    • @lartensgrill6106
      @lartensgrill6106 4 года назад +3

      Musicians need to be able to record their own music and cut out the middle men

    • @Jonathan-A.C.
      @Jonathan-A.C. Год назад

      @@lartensgrill6106
      That’s what Tom Macdonald has started doing, and it’s incredible. Pioneer stuff

  • @andrewdow6623
    @andrewdow6623 6 лет назад +156

    Henry keeps looking at him like "you are so full of crap"

    • @agargoyle12345
      @agargoyle12345 3 года назад +9

      I'm not a huge Henry Rollins fan, but I have tons more respect for him than Gene Simmons, fds. He must have been going nuts on the inside!

    • @Gatchamon
      @Gatchamon 3 года назад +1

      @@agargoyle12345 OH yeah he must've!

  • @gabriellarrubia1006
    @gabriellarrubia1006 6 лет назад +421

    Gene Simmons can't speak a single sentence that doesn't make him look extremely shallow

    • @jennifertaylor2893
      @jennifertaylor2893 5 лет назад +3

      Well said.

    • @stevendurham9996
      @stevendurham9996 5 лет назад +9

      Yes. He talks like a commodities trader.

    • @Panic42000
      @Panic42000 4 года назад +1

      Haha! He just says what other people won’t. What’s wrong with wanting to make money? Does this guy actually write music? Does this guy actually go out and play live? I bet the asshole doesn’t even play music.

    • @hardluck8732
      @hardluck8732 4 года назад +4

      @@deadinsidemcgee411 What are you talking about? I'm no KISS fan but rock music could use something more along the lines of a band like KISS than all the extreme metal bands we have now. We have enough of those kinds of bands. Rock music needs more variety, not just whatever kind of metal you in particular like. Too many bands look and sound the same now....oh and rap is not dying. Believe me, blacks are still into it and not about to replace it anytime soon.

    • @yaotzinxochitiotzi5613
      @yaotzinxochitiotzi5613 4 года назад +5

      @@hardluck8732 Being Jew has no relevance in this discussion wtf!

  • @VultureClone
    @VultureClone 4 года назад +41

    The fact that Gene sees rock as merely being all about the money and sex, says a lot about him..

    • @dianevanderlinden3480
      @dianevanderlinden3480 3 года назад +1

      when you're that icky all you can do is act like a douche and wear a costume to cover it up

    • @nancygrimm2897
      @nancygrimm2897 Год назад +3

      It says he is not an artist

    • @ryanlittleton5615
      @ryanlittleton5615 Месяц назад

      I mean KISS was always just a bubblegum band anyway. Why do you think they relied on make-up and theatrics?

  • @SGRev1
    @SGRev1 5 лет назад +455

    The fact that Gene listed women alongside houses, jewelry, and cars, as if women were a commodity (which they're not, don't kid yourself), tells me everything I need to know about this guy's way of thinking.

    • @detinator5
      @detinator5 4 года назад +9

      Great point.

    • @Iceman99992
      @Iceman99992 4 года назад +23

      I think he means the women that flock to the famous rich guys for the clout or money.

    • @harveyboy7019
      @harveyboy7019 4 года назад +35

      Women are definitely not a commodity, but pussy is. Especially in Hollywood.

    • @sirbaronvoncount4147
      @sirbaronvoncount4147 4 года назад +17

      Never liked Kiss especially Gene

    • @hardluck8732
      @hardluck8732 4 года назад +11

      When they say sex sells......they weren't talking about dick.

  • @chrisarias4055
    @chrisarias4055 6 лет назад +315

    I want my “rockstars” to be talented at their instrument and to be good writers

    • @MuttFarm
      @MuttFarm 5 лет назад

      ruclips.net/video/85dB4L1XhEQ/видео.html

    • @jaimelannister1797
      @jaimelannister1797 5 лет назад +1

      They have a few catchy songs so...

    • @conniethesconnie
      @conniethesconnie 4 года назад +5

      Unlike some other rockstars, Gene does play an instrument and write songs.

    • @fyourgoat9143
      @fyourgoat9143 4 года назад +2

      Yes. And I want them to be consistent. And I want them to save their world raping leftist politics for their private friends and keep it the fuck out of the media because I don't need their nazi propaganda. And they are nazis.

    • @altonex9856
      @altonex9856 3 года назад

      Dont forget humbleness

  • @18FrozenAngels
    @18FrozenAngels 6 лет назад +171

    Gene Simmons makes me rethink my passion about becoming a musician. Not because I fear that what he says is true, but only because I don’t want to be associated with him in any way, shape, or form.

    • @joshuabarnes7543
      @joshuabarnes7543 5 лет назад +21

      To be honest I use to look up to gene but with all the shit he's done has changed my mind on him.
      Fun fact I tried to go to a couple company's to have a replica of one of his basses made for me and all have said they can't because gene has a license over them saying if they replicate his basses he will sue them so now if you want a bass from him you choose it he plays it on stage autographs it gives it to you After the show for $10,000 and to me that ain't fucking worth it

    • @GeeVanderplas
      @GeeVanderplas 5 лет назад +15

      @@joshuabarnes7543 Guitar shapes have always been subject to copyright. Back in the 70s when companies like Ibanez started to make copies of Fender and Gibson guitars, many were sued. Gibson was sued by Fender for their Firebird model, PRS was sued by Gibson for their single cutaway model etc. So it's hardly surprising that a company refuses to replicate a copyrighted model.

    • @lancesvensson1703
      @lancesvensson1703 3 года назад

      @@GeeVanderplas how the fuck does Fender sue the firebird it looks so different from the strat

    • @GeeVanderplas
      @GeeVanderplas 3 года назад

      @@lancesvensson1703 I know right? but they did and Gibson produced a reversed version of the firebird, which actually looked more like a strat.

    • @BrainMeltGaming
      @BrainMeltGaming 3 года назад

      Then don't, ignore him

  • @TheBrianp1
    @TheBrianp1 5 лет назад +61

    If it wasn't for free music I wouldn't even know about pretty much all the music I listen to.

    • @joeyhammer6702
      @joeyhammer6702 4 года назад +3

      That’s how I got into metallica my friend had a zip file version of ajfa. Since then I have bought most of the music I own.

  • @crucifixmegabuster95
    @crucifixmegabuster95 6 лет назад +113

    Imo gene is literally digging his own grave. He built basically the sellout mentality of money, sex, and drugs. This dude wanted to copyright a damn handsign. Wtf? And when companies pump out subpar acts a lot of times piracy saves money.

    • @virtuitousvampire9371
      @virtuitousvampire9371 6 лет назад +3

      megaman exe actually he doesn’t do drugs...and he wanted to copyright the moneybag.

  • @leostevanovic5205
    @leostevanovic5205 6 лет назад +74

    Gene Simmons talks about music like my grandpa
    Btw he was an economist

  • @aussieeffinpete
    @aussieeffinpete 6 лет назад +80

    Dead Kelly, a band I listen to, am willing to"donate" my money, buy merch, buy a physical copy of their songs or even spare a few bucks because they put themselves into their work and it's awesome music, just my opinion. The band always show appreciation for everyone who buys or donates anything because what they do moves people and not be greedy and shit on people because they think they are gods , just normal people making music.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +20

      And they're actually a good band lol

    • @aussieeffinpete
      @aussieeffinpete 6 лет назад +1

      Now, you've never told me or anyone on your podcasts that but thank you 😊

    • @ferox965
      @ferox965 5 лет назад

      Normal people making music is still a business. I met Gene in 02. We had a very intense discussion about music and life. Was very cool and down to earth with me.

    • @NESMaster80
      @NESMaster80 5 лет назад

      I have not heard of Dead Kelly before. I checked out a couple of songs on YT after this comment. Fucking eh!

  • @ragnarokxg2113
    @ragnarokxg2113 6 лет назад +57

    Great video I would like to add three points against what Gene said.
    1. Rock is not dead, the old version of rock is dead. Artists have begun to evolve and it is thanks to artists like Trent Reznor and Fat Mike of NoFX who are big on giving away their music. Like you stated fans will always support the bands they enjoy but in this age will first see if a album is worth investing in.
    2. Gene wanting to sue the fan base is laughable and he should go talk to Metallica and see how that worked out for them. Their is no quicker way to lose your audience than to continuously put out sub par content and then get pissed at your fans for not wanting to pay for said content.
    3. Gene and Paul have always been suits. It is for that reason that KISS self destructed the way that it did. It is that same reason that Ace and Peter had their own managers during the reunion years. Because Paul and Gene were all about keeping control over their shit.

    • @RationalObserver1
      @RationalObserver1 4 года назад +2

      ROCK IS NOT DEAD? DEFINE DEAD? Nofx and Trent Reznor are not exactly evidence of a new crop of fresh talents springing up.

  • @theneonchimpchannel9095
    @theneonchimpchannel9095 6 лет назад +65

    I couldn't agree more. If I found out that a million people had listened to one of my songs for free, the thing that I'd pick up on was "a million people listened to one of my songs". While it'd be nice to have a dollar for every one of those plays, I'd be happy in the knowledge that a million people had heard the song and that out of that many, at least some of them must have liked it. It's always an honour when someone buys one of my albums, but just the fact that there are people out there who enjoy what I do, that's enough for me. That said, nowhere near that many people have heard my music, but even the small numbers of people that are enjoying it, I have fans on the other side of the world, now that's an awesome feeling.

    • @P3rm4frost
      @P3rm4frost 5 лет назад

      you nailed it dude.

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 4 года назад +2

      And remember, with this million people who listened for free comes more monetary benefits than if they all bought, may it be in concert sales, merchandise ......
      He already made this point in the video but it is really something to emphasise. By being a cheapskate who wants every nickel you see, you don't realise that for each nickel you make that way, there is a purse that you won't get

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 4 года назад

      Yeah, but you have a million fans, but your dirt cheap and none of them are probably big enough fans of music to know the struggle of being a musician so its not like they'll let you stay at your house. So then I ask the question, When will Support equal Survivability? The answer: when monetization is added to the equation.

    • @TocoaPuffs
      @TocoaPuffs 3 года назад +2

      @@mistersunshine1330 90% of your money comes from the top 10% of your fans. They'll pay you in other ways, and playing live shows is one of those ways.

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 3 года назад

      @@TocoaPuffs But they are not obligated to do so is the issue. No other media creator is fucked over like the musician. They produce media and earning any revenue is just an option, not a requirement, you. You wanna watch a movie, you gotta pay, tv show? You gotta pay, and there's always big money deals behind even the smallest of productions. Only in music is paying the creator an option.

  • @lunavioleta001
    @lunavioleta001 6 лет назад +33

    To be fair, there are people who hates when their favorite band or artist becomes big while also complaining that they aren't big enough. Some people are just extremist in their believes and are difficult to satisfy.

    • @papabillydeth4723
      @papabillydeth4723 6 лет назад

      It's Not Gay If It's Jesus I love ghost but I think Tobias Forge is greedy like Gene. Especially with the playing at the huge venue that bands bigger than Ghost can’t even sellout and the whole lawsuit against all the band members.

    • @lunavioleta001
      @lunavioleta001 6 лет назад

      Papa Billydeth Ummmm I'm not sure where you're going with this.

  • @obamaspaghettitoiletsauce9150
    @obamaspaghettitoiletsauce9150 6 лет назад +276

    I love kiss but gene is really sounding like the hillary Clinton of music

  • @Nachtopus
    @Nachtopus 6 лет назад +22

    The only problem with a band like Kiss is when things sway so far into the direction that the music (the art) merely becomes a vehicle for merch sales (the brand), when it should always work the other way around.

  • @bigkuntry2153
    @bigkuntry2153 6 лет назад +8

    “there are two types of people that wear sunglasses indoors, blind people and assholes”
    -Larry david

  • @nashidmamoon9151
    @nashidmamoon9151 6 лет назад +139

    For the last time, rock music isn't dead. Just because it isn't as popular as before and isn't mainstream music doesn't mean it's dead. There may be specific individuals who harmed rock (I agree that people like glam metal and gene HARMED rock and metal), but doesn't mean that rock is dead.

    • @Carbon2861996
      @Carbon2861996 4 года назад +11

      No genre is ever really dead.

    • @AllenFreemanMediaGuru
      @AllenFreemanMediaGuru 4 года назад +2

      I liked some Glam Rock: Bowie, T-Rex, Slade, ok, that might be it.

    • @lancesvensson1703
      @lancesvensson1703 3 года назад +2

      No genre killed rock. The people in there kill it

    • @olivertoclassicrock4429
      @olivertoclassicrock4429 3 года назад +1

      It isnt dead as long the old bands are still around

    • @billzakill1257
      @billzakill1257 2 года назад

      It’ll come back round like it always has.
      50s rock n roll, 60s early rock, 70s rock/ early metal, 80s metal,90s grunge,00s alternative, 10s pop rock(early on in the decade anyway), 20s who knows?

  • @fuckwad2024
    @fuckwad2024 3 года назад +18

    You went ham in this one. Ripped Gene a fucking new one man great job, honestly

  • @MikeFoerster
    @MikeFoerster 6 лет назад +91

    Gene has always been a suit. Read some old interviews with Ace Frehley. He talks about in the 80's him being in meetings in suits.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +14

      That's something I was unfamiliar with. I know he's always been fiscally conscious, but I don't consider those the same thing.

    • @YoniIsrael
      @YoniIsrael 6 лет назад +41

      now i imagine him in a suit in a meeting but with the kiss's make-up
      fucking hilarious

    • @bassproscott
      @bassproscott 6 лет назад +2

      Yoni The K Underrated comment

    • @ToruKun1
      @ToruKun1 6 лет назад +9

      Wearing a suit with KISS makeup is basically the album cover for Dressed to Kill

    • @YoniIsrael
      @YoniIsrael 6 лет назад +1

      i'm not that awer to their discography

  • @Indiegirl007
    @Indiegirl007 5 лет назад +17

    I feel like Gene is just bemoaning the lifestyle. He misses it, he misses seeing it amongst his buddies.

  • @ol4037
    @ol4037 4 года назад +13

    According to Gene,
    Nickleback, Buckcherry, Crazy Town > Death, Exhorder, Overkill

  • @toshitvaidya9901
    @toshitvaidya9901 6 лет назад +62

    wow henry rollins is really quite, not saying against the bullshit gene is talking about
    i wonder what the 80s henry rollins during the black flag days would've done if gene have said the same thing in front of him

    • @malavparmar7694
      @malavparmar7694 6 лет назад +5

      Toshit Vaidya ikr lol he would've yelled at him

    • @ugsdit5296
      @ugsdit5296 6 лет назад +19

      well i feel like being rude to a person you are interviewing is socially retarded no matter how much you disagree

    • @toshitvaidya9901
      @toshitvaidya9901 6 лет назад +14

      well i think its really ironic and quite funny because henry was a huge asshole towards the interviewers in the 80s.

    • @kirilichushanka1357
      @kirilichushanka1357 6 лет назад +20

      Toshit Vaidya "You either die a young punk or become the person you despise the most"

    • @stevendurham9996
      @stevendurham9996 5 лет назад

      @@malavparmar7694 At least.🐯

  • @Sevvolf
    @Sevvolf 6 лет назад +21

    I honestly kept nodding my head in agreement everytime you made a point. 😂

  • @EGeorgev
    @EGeorgev 6 лет назад +15

    Geez, this guy! I never got into KISS, but listening to him, now, can only make me glad I didn't.

  • @jimlynch5776
    @jimlynch5776 3 года назад +4

    Your comment about fans finding a way to support a band is so true. My favorite band is a small Finnish Band. Last year on tour in the US I drove 400mi just to go see them at a small venue. I have also ordered merch from them from overseas.

  • @TheBrunarr
    @TheBrunarr 6 лет назад +162

    I'm wearing that same shirt right now lol

  • @TheWetToaster
    @TheWetToaster 6 лет назад +4

    The “rock star vs musician” comment made me audibly yell “FUCK yes, THANK YOU!”
    So happy I found this channel.

  • @skeene_6824
    @skeene_6824 5 лет назад +12

    18:38 Henry's face is perfect

  • @shred5
    @shred5 4 года назад +9

    Steve Vai always said the best advice for a new musician is the same advice that Frank Zappa gave him: always own the rights to your own music.

  • @Module79L
    @Module79L 6 лет назад +95

    I don't know if you're aware of this, Mike, but here in Europe, or at least in several countries including mine, every memory device (hard disks, SSD's, memory sticks, memory cards, any electronic device that contains any type of internal memory (MP3's, MP4's, iPod's, smartphones, tablets) and even recordable optical discs) started to pay a tax *per GB of capacity* to cover the eventuality that said devices are used to store downloaded video or audio files or even files copied from the CD's or DVD's the person OWNS and PAID FOR. : /

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +26

      This is exactly the shit I'm talking about.

    • @Module79L
      @Module79L 6 лет назад +15

      They claim it's to protect the video and music industries from piracy. Of course, all that tax money goes to them, not to the artists. : /
      I play in a band, we have 3 albums and a few remixes' CD's released. We're not signed to any label, none of OUR music is registered and yet we're constantly being harrassed by the SPA (the authors' proclaimed "protective" society) each time we play in a bar or a small venue. The local SPA snitch reports the gig to the local Police and they go to the place to identify the band members and colect the list of the songs we're gonna play, to see if the owner of the venue has any royalties due.

    • @phantomtearsca
      @phantomtearsca 6 лет назад +3

      Module79L that's a fucking shame.

    • @Babs42
      @Babs42 6 лет назад

      Europe is lost man, especially the UK. Liberty makes its last stand in the states and it's up to use to keep the brush fires going. (well the tireless minority anyway).

    • @legendofthestrings1
      @legendofthestrings1 6 лет назад

      This is a good reason to legalize murder. Snitch should die lol

  • @nafikos6450
    @nafikos6450 6 лет назад +17

    This has been the best rant of the century

  • @laluhuizi29
    @laluhuizi29 5 лет назад +4

    This channel and you are so underrated. More people need to watch this.

  • @lunavioleta001
    @lunavioleta001 6 лет назад +19

    Did Gene actually make the case that being egotistical, boastful, and basically like most artist these days is a good thing and what's rock is all about?

  • @larshansson1953
    @larshansson1953 4 года назад +6

    "Are you going to charge someone every time they play your CD in their house?". Gene would be all in with that.

  • @jansvitak8099
    @jansvitak8099 6 лет назад +11

    Wow, this may be the best video I've seen from you.. Or the one that just "hit me" the most.... It's like you put my own thoughts to words.. Can't agree more!

    • @jansvitak8099
      @jansvitak8099 6 лет назад

      I actually wonder what Henry Rollins thought of this...

  • @severium8057
    @severium8057 5 лет назад +20

    Gene is pissed because of rockers being genuine and humble?

    • @pluto545
      @pluto545 5 лет назад +3

      And, that's who they are. They aren't cartoon characters, granted you do have some, but that's usually their personality or marketing.

  • @AllenFreemanMediaGuru
    @AllenFreemanMediaGuru 4 года назад +10

    I loved Kiss when I first discovered them and saw them in 1974, and 1975. Quickly I realized their music was crude and simple. As time went on other bands blew them away. Then Gene started talking and pretty much destroyed what good memories I had of Kiss. He definitely is a user. Only in music to make a buck and sleep with groupies (until he got married I assume). How did Paul Stanly put up with him all these years? Curious how much of his posturing is only for the cameras, otherwise no one could even be in the same room with him for more than 3 minutes.

  • @Jakethysnake93
    @Jakethysnake93 6 лет назад +166

    I have been saying rap is dying for a couple years now you can only recycle the same bullshit over and over so many times. It's vapid and soulless music a shadow of its former self.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +46

      To put it simply, it's forgetting where it came from.

    • @rainpersona9406
      @rainpersona9406 6 лет назад +21

      Completely disagree, hip hop is really interesting right now. Examples: Kendrick, Kanye, Brockhampton, Death Grips, Vince Staples, RTJ, Pusha T. Albums like To Pimp A Butterfly would not have been as successful in the 2000s which is a testament to the genre evolving.
      Also, Hip Hop wouldn't have been able to become as big as it is right now without the trap wave. Is Trap the symbol of demise for hip hop? Absolutely not. Just like 70s new wave, punk, grunge, nu-metal; it's a trend that will eventually pass.
      On another note: many trap artists are reminiscent of rock stars in their hey day. Glorifying drug use, sexual, hedonistic - these qualities have been amplified up to 10. What's considered "edgy" and perhaps even "amoral" (Though I'm not arguing it's not) by the previous generation is what the next generation gravitate towards to. I still believe that hip hop's authentic and rebel is certainly reinforced by the artists I mentioned above. There have always been shitty rock bands and shitty rappers in the mainstream but their emergence has never necessarily been the demise of the genres.

    • @heroinasytumbas3346
      @heroinasytumbas3346 6 лет назад +6

      Jacob Abbott I have to agree to some extent, and take my opinion with a grain of salt bc I'm not an expert on the genre by any means, but I think there's people who is still innovating and keeping hip hop authentic. Kendrick and Brockhampton would be my favorite examples.

    • @user-pi9qv1cp8b
      @user-pi9qv1cp8b 6 лет назад +2

      Candela Luna I don't like how some people dimiss rap as a bad genra .There is good rap today you just have to be open to it and look for it

    • @ryukishin187
      @ryukishin187 6 лет назад +11

      You can say that about any genre though. I think the argument is that mainstream hip hop is horrible right now. A lot of rappers use the same flow, rap about the same shit, have horrible, minimalistic production that all sounds the same. Sure, there are some exceptions, but right now it's pretty bad. Now, the indie scene on the other hand has some amazing rappers now more than ever imo.

  • @hubrispark5090
    @hubrispark5090 6 лет назад +37

    Chaos is a ladder.

  • @Nachtopus
    @Nachtopus 6 лет назад +5

    “Anything you give away for free will come back and fuck you up.”
    Tell that to Chance The Rapper and King Gizzard.

  • @uoabigaillevey
    @uoabigaillevey 6 лет назад +40

    I made my mind up about this stuff back when Metallica, fronting for labels under the pretension of representing all artists, went after Napster, specifically, and the fans who were sharing their music. I may be wrong.. but waaaay back in the very early 80's.. was it not the fans who shared their music with their buddies that gave Metallica enough of a following to get them the smaller gigs that eventually led to their 1st album recording? Was it not the fans who got a copy of that and who shared it with their friends what led to them selling larger venues and another album?
    I am sorry, but especially in today's market/technological atmosphere there are literally 10's of thousands of bands/artists screaming for your (my/our) ears and eyes to be focused on them.. even if just to listen/watch once... in the hopes of generating fans (who would then buy merch/tickets). I am sorry, but if I were one of them artist/bands, I would be dropping free copies of all my work *everywhere* that I could.. just to get an initial listen/watch from anyone who was even interested enough to pick up a free copy.
    Just my thoughts
    Peace

    • @MuttFarm
      @MuttFarm 5 лет назад

      ruclips.net/video/85dB4L1XhEQ/видео.html

    • @donniewade7630
      @donniewade7630 5 лет назад

      Quit listening to them right then, threw every cd in the trash. The only band banned in my house, I even change the radio station if they come on it.

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 4 года назад +1

      @@donniewade7630 what a stupid thing to do. Imagine someone stealing your work and selling it for free. Yes Metallica got big like that in the 80s. But they weren't the biggest band in the world. And to be the biggest band, have the best live shows, have great production value, that all costs money. And A lot of it. That's why. Record sales would decline, touring sales would most likely decline. And then next thing ya know, Metallica, the money printer, is broke or on the verge of it.

    • @Jonathan-A.C.
      @Jonathan-A.C. Год назад

      Don’t be sorry, it’s the truth

  • @gunkanjima3408
    @gunkanjima3408 3 года назад +3

    Anyone remember those KISS coffins they came out with years ago? Legitimately Kiss branded coffins for people who died

  • @felixhamel2398
    @felixhamel2398 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you so much for this video, Mike. Everyone needs to hear and comprehend this

  • @shikatsu
    @shikatsu 6 лет назад +12

    I mean I find half my music these days by accident on youtube, much more than walking around walmart or a record store these days.

    • @MuttFarm
      @MuttFarm 5 лет назад

      ruclips.net/video/85dB4L1XhEQ/видео.html

    • @deniecedenephew7515
      @deniecedenephew7515 4 года назад

      Ahh same here that’s how I got into obscure 80s punk bands

  • @draylexdoom9243
    @draylexdoom9243 6 лет назад +6

    I was so confused when I first got the notification and then it wouldnt load so i reloaded youtube and it was gone

  • @shanewalton8888
    @shanewalton8888 4 года назад +1

    This was the video that made me subscribe. I've been so pissed at bands taking down instructional videos about how to play their songs. SO bloody greedy.

  • @RocknRollAddicts
    @RocknRollAddicts 3 года назад

    The thumbnail made me laugh out loud for real. Great video! A lot of great points too, man.

  • @johncampbell4162
    @johncampbell4162 6 лет назад +4

    Did you see the multi-part metal doc that VH1 ran? Everytime Dio is on screen, he rips into how "And Gene will monetize that."

  • @nickwebb9131
    @nickwebb9131 6 лет назад +7

    Really great video. It speaks for your integrity as an artist

  • @zackargyle7967
    @zackargyle7967 5 лет назад +1

    I don't like videos often but I am liking this because it made me feel like people support the artist not the industry and it made me feel inspired to go write songs with meaning and emotion love u man 🤘🤘

  • @YoniIsrael
    @YoniIsrael 6 лет назад +9

    totally agree with you
    more then 50% of what make an artist good is whether he sees his music as art or as business

  • @corkskrewsounds1940
    @corkskrewsounds1940 6 лет назад +3

    Really liking this kind of video. Keep putting out quality content. I would really like to hear your opinion on 'trap music' or that kind of things as I don't really consider it music

  • @noahgraham2100
    @noahgraham2100 6 лет назад +4

    It could even be argued that in their attempt to hold onto the remains of the old record industry the labels are making it actively more difficult for new acts to find new way of getting their music out their gaining an audience and yes perhaps profiting off of their art, by closing new distribution methods and trying to control any that manage to remain all to scrape another penny for themselves off the backlog of artists that see little to none of this

  • @themetalandrocksanctuary9070
    @themetalandrocksanctuary9070 6 лет назад +1

    Hey mike love your content dude love your views on certain things in this video awesome job man

  • @shelyqua2747
    @shelyqua2747 6 лет назад +2

    Loved the part how you said right now is just an opportunity. very inspiring video and i love to see your view on things. great content and love your videos keep up the good work.

  • @glueeater9753
    @glueeater9753 6 лет назад +7

    Hey Mike, loved this new video. I just disagree that labels are going anywhere anytime soon. Labels are making more than ever right now by licensing music out music to streaming services such as Spotify and Apple Music. Your point of view on musicians making music is really interesting and has changed my view. Thanks.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +2

      Just give it time.......it won't be soon as in the next 5 to 10 years, but in the next few decades.

    • @glueeater9753
      @glueeater9753 6 лет назад +2

      Become The Knight I'd Love to see em go, man. Keep making great vids.

    • @jasonsimmons7479
      @jasonsimmons7479 6 лет назад +1

      Record company's now have what they call 360 contracts. Meaning they get a cut of sales,merch,and touring. Bands have a very difficult time making ends meat. This,i think,will eventually kill the music industry. Technology has progressed so far that bands will either do it themselves or stop making music period.

  • @dimebag2102
    @dimebag2102 6 лет назад +3

    Thanks for the reupload

  • @asukaainun7473
    @asukaainun7473 6 лет назад +2

    gosh Mike, you absolutely going ham on this one
    wish Gene Simmons would have an interview with you one day, that would be awesome lol

  • @coleslau2372
    @coleslau2372 6 лет назад

    Great video as always man. Keep up the fantastic work.

  • @NonBinaryBisexualAdhdAgender
    @NonBinaryBisexualAdhdAgender 4 года назад +5

    I'm glad I didn't end up buying tickets to their (recently postponed/cancelled) Aussie tour. Gene was once a childhood hero. Now he's the guy who can probably articulate better than anyone else on the planet what "Rock Star" means. The better he explains it, the better I understand just how far I would go to ensure my money and support lands nowhere near "Rock Stars". Humble, talented musicians and artists get my support. Greedy a-hole "rock stars" get zero sympathy from me.

  • @luisfloresapril
    @luisfloresapril 6 лет назад +5

    This is exactly what musicians like Kurt cobain thought. Why do people give him shit? He was authentic as hell.

  • @sharjesm
    @sharjesm 6 лет назад +7

    Damn... How did Rollins get through that interview without resorting to violence of some sort?

    • @agargoyle12345
      @agargoyle12345 3 года назад

      Because Henry is smart. You don't interrupt a douchebag demonstrating their doucheness!

  • @explosiongames3
    @explosiongames3 5 лет назад +2

    Copyright issues is the whole reason that NCS was brought around in the EDM world. It made it so that artists who willingly submitted songs could allow you to use their work for whatever you wanted, often even with free downloads. And then if you wanted to support them, NCS had whatever way of supporting them in their descriptions.

  • @orlock20
    @orlock20 6 лет назад +9

    Beth Hart for women and Elvis for men broke the genre role. Most acts focus on one genre, but if one went to an Elvis concert, they heard rock, country, blues and gospel music. Beth Hart expands her music with even more genres thanks to Jeff Beck and Joe Bonamassa. Beth is winning that fight where major acts are playing more than one genre. People in the future won't go to a rock concert or rap concert. They will go to an artist's concert.

  • @hyperbiscuit2284
    @hyperbiscuit2284 6 лет назад +3

    I had an idea. If I make an album, it'll be free on the internet, but the actual physical record/ cd, it would cost money, but to compensate for that, there would be no deluxe version of the album. The physical record would be the "deluxe version", and would come with demos, lyric sheets, actual sheet music transcriptions of the songs, and a bunch of extra shit as a little gift for deciding to donate to the band basically.

  • @neverpresent6875
    @neverpresent6875 4 года назад

    Love your vids man. You do good work.

  • @dogofthehomeless7544
    @dogofthehomeless7544 6 лет назад

    Favorite video so far! Amazing!

  • @Beckonor
    @Beckonor 5 лет назад +3

    Gene is right though. We, the fans who illegally download shit has ruined music scenes and profit for bands. Its easy to blame the record labels but this is why you have to read the contracts. Artists aren't forced to sign the contracts, its a choice. Illegal downloading, which was created by fans fucked everything up. This is why we haven't had another big arena band/guitar god in the past decade.

  • @alecdevine2458
    @alecdevine2458 6 лет назад +8

    A true musician uses money to make music. Many "musicians" now use music to make money. Gene Simmons doesent have a fucking clue what music is about. Very arrogant perspective he has on art. Art is a passion, not a product. Btw loved the video Mike! \m/

  • @adi9880
    @adi9880 6 лет назад +1

    Great video like always man

  • @theIJPmexican
    @theIJPmexican 6 лет назад

    Say we replace the word film for music, how much would you view on this topic change if at all?

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +1

      I've had that inner debate, and my part here about gift horses still stands. If you look at the baroque Era it was about first publishing rights. There was no copyright and lots of wealthy musicians. I think the same thing could apply to film.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  6 лет назад +2

      However I am aware that you have to pay a lot more people to make a film than an album.

    • @theIJPmexican
      @theIJPmexican 6 лет назад +1

      Cool. Thanks for answering. I am also an "ass man" so mad respect.

  • @jungleismasiv4426
    @jungleismasiv4426 5 лет назад +4

    "Rap is going to die in the next 20 years. Mark my fucking words." -Mike the Music Snob, 2018

  • @rosscarroll6735
    @rosscarroll6735 6 лет назад +5

    I get the impression that Gene started making music to be in a rock band. Not started a rock band to start making music.

  • @rorymcclellan3740
    @rorymcclellan3740 5 лет назад

    We may possibly have some differences in our beliefs but I still enjoy the way you make my life better! Kudos to you, great video!!

  • @uWsVorheeZ
    @uWsVorheeZ 3 года назад

    U got a new sub bro, loved the authenticity of ur presentation

  • @seosamh.forbes
    @seosamh.forbes 6 лет назад +6

    In my personal opinion, I don't think rock died. It evolved into metal. Now metal is starting to evolve into hardcore, basically metal with a hipster and punk aesthetic.

  • @rowanmurphy7814
    @rowanmurphy7814 4 года назад +3

    The reason the KISS merchandise blew up was because in the 80s when all it started was when KISS appealed to kids and what to 9yr olds want is? Toys (action figures,comics,lunchboxes,ect)
    That's why it blew up it was the outfits I see any one wear black and white face paint (doesnt have to look a smidge like KISS) and I immediately think of KISS that's why it blew up they appealed to kids because of the OUTFITS

  • @dominicwynne7222
    @dominicwynne7222 2 года назад +1

    Right on man, you really addressed some elephants in the room and redefined and reminded us what music needs to be. Music is a fluid concept and it's critical to continue to morph and evolve. These so called "rock stars" appear to adopt some level of of cynicism and bite the hand that feeds whilst protecting the money hungry label industry who don't actually care about the art they are so called "producing"

  • @Wisconsin222
    @Wisconsin222 6 лет назад +2

    You never mentioned is this is the many reasons that KISS is already becoming forgotten and Black Flag (Henry Rollin’s band) is forever remembered in the punk world

  • @phantomtearsca
    @phantomtearsca 6 лет назад +4

    For my cinematography class at school, I decided to make a documentary on music for a project. Nothing super huge or significant, what can you expect from a high schooler? Regardless, I interviewed the school's music teacher about if music should be an art or a buisness.
    Since I'm too lazy to look at the footage and type up everything she said, I'll sum it up like this.
    She told me that, ideally, there should be a balance between the two. At the same time, she said artists shouldn't be scared away from the fact that people can and will get their music for free, and said they should be selling merch and shows to make what they can, while still maintaining their authenticity. She had also mentioned the past, and how people like her didn't have access to all music on the internet for free. So she realizes that times have changed, but still believes in authenticity. How do you feel about this, Mike?

  • @HEAVYMETALmovie1981
    @HEAVYMETALmovie1981 6 лет назад +3

    Rock n' Roll will *NEVER DIE!!!*

  • @alanhembra2565
    @alanhembra2565 6 лет назад +2

    Your horse analogy cracks me up.

  • @JackOfHarts96
    @JackOfHarts96 5 лет назад

    This is one of my favourite videos on this channel, by far.

  • @nightraven5760
    @nightraven5760 4 года назад +3

    To me, rock is about the willingness to be vunerable and let your emotions take a risk, and be out there to try and make a difference

  • @theotsek1640
    @theotsek1640 6 лет назад +9

    Hey mike, I wouldn't take Gene Simmons seriously. Search "Gene Simmons copyright" and you'll find out why. He even tried to copyright the \m/

    • @GrayWoIf
      @GrayWoIf 6 лет назад +1

      Theo Tsek no he didn't the fact that you keep saying that years after the fact shows you where too lazy to even look up the application he submitted which included an actual drawing of what he wanted to copyright which was in no way the horns it was the I love you hand sign gene just happens to call that the horns and no one has corrected him in 50 years

    • @RPGManoWar
      @RPGManoWar 4 года назад

      @@GrayWoIf He still tried to copyright a fucking hand gesture that is, indeed, very similar to the horns. It may not be the exact same thing, but you don't think Gene's the kind of person who's gonna have his lawyers get into the nitty gritty of that stuff?

  • @brianmcdonald42
    @brianmcdonald42 6 лет назад +2

    It's really weird to see Gene Simmons say that rock isn't dominant because the musicians don't act like rock stars to HENRY ROLLINS, a guy who made his name and his fame based on being real and honest. I know Henry had to keep that smile on his face because he's doing a show, but man, that had to be one of the hardest thing he's ever had to do.

  • @AFryingPan
    @AFryingPan 6 лет назад

    I'm curious what your opinion is on obtaining digital movies "for free"

  • @Ado1271
    @Ado1271 6 лет назад +11

    I think Rap should die in next 5 or 10 years. At least Trap Rap.

    • @EzioMonty117
      @EzioMonty117 6 лет назад +4

      Ado 127 Agreed! Im fine with the kind of rap Childish Gambino or Frank Ocean does but stuff like Lil Pump, Kodak Black or Trippie Redd..yeah that needs to stop!

    • @ugsdit5296
      @ugsdit5296 6 лет назад +3

      trap rap is kinda on the decline already, will be very interesting to see what pop music is in 10 or 20 years

    • @bambam2372
      @bambam2372 6 лет назад

      as long as there are night clubs pop and trap crap will be around. People never stop partying.

    • @ugsdit5296
      @ugsdit5296 6 лет назад +2

      Bam Bam nope, not true at all. clubs existed way before trap rap was a thing, the music in clubs changes as pop changes

  • @sptony2718
    @sptony2718 4 года назад +31

    Gene Simmons: "Rock is dead!"
    - Ok Boomer

  • @andrewo607
    @andrewo607 5 лет назад +2

    You’re a very efficient communicator

  • @jpaduch8122
    @jpaduch8122 6 лет назад +2

    I'm actually really excited for the future especially if what they say about things running in patterns of 30 years is true because that means we'll be due for some sort of revival of 60 s style rock music again .. or at least a new form of psychedelic music

  • @scottcartwright9055
    @scottcartwright9055 6 лет назад +6

    Don't agree with a lot of the shit Gene says but he is a smart guy. Deep down he probably knew Kiss weren't the best band (they were never going to be the Stones/Zeppelin) so they used their stage show more than musicianship to get people to their gigs. Gene more than the rest of the band sold everything he could get his hands on and put Kiss on it to the point of embarrassment! He's a dated dinosaur. HOW CAN HE PUT HIS MERCHANDISE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS HIS MUSIC?! "Who cares?!" Dick!

  • @anaiglesias9972
    @anaiglesias9972 6 лет назад +3

    That was amazing

  • @koolbob1872
    @koolbob1872 6 лет назад

    You are very insightful Mike. I agree on every point.

  • @jetsetdotone
    @jetsetdotone Год назад +1

    I agree with you 💯 % For me, copyright infringement means how the copyright rules infringe on our culture and, thereby, our lives.