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    As was seen in my Fine Bros reaction video, I do not like Nirvana. Here's a better explanation of why. Not necessarily the same as The Doors.....but you'll get the idea.
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  • @BecomeTheKnight
    @BecomeTheKnight  4 года назад +271

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    • @aidanlarenas
      @aidanlarenas 4 года назад +6

      Luka Hays u just contradicted yourself on ur own comment. Why did u even post that

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    • @guruzini1971
      @guruzini1971 4 года назад +5

      I thought riff and repetitive were synonyms

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      @rcengineer 4 года назад +2

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  • @Jet-iq3es
    @Jet-iq3es 4 года назад +11750

    Use this as a respectfully disagree button

    • @maryjohnson5377
      @maryjohnson5377 4 года назад +68

      No way

    • @M.A.D.42
      @M.A.D.42 4 года назад +14

      Thanks

    • @blacktoothfox677
      @blacktoothfox677 4 года назад +88

      Yeah but... Do we HAVE to be respectful!? Hahaha bless ya

    • @blacktoothfox677
      @blacktoothfox677 4 года назад +18

      @Nilly Sigger best name ever, you roon capist

    • @deminybs
      @deminybs 4 года назад +7

      Use what as a respectfully disagree button? thumbs up or thumbs down? I see now arrow or what the choices are....or is it simply commenting?? Shit I fucked up . I lose either way now 🥺🥺

  • @rabidsquirrel4702
    @rabidsquirrel4702 4 года назад +2345

    *Sees title of video*
    “So you have chosen... death”

    • @tricko8000
      @tricko8000 4 года назад +73

      Tashawn Sheffield I disagree

    • @tricko8000
      @tricko8000 4 года назад +12

      Tashawn Sheffield I probably wouldn't like them that much if I only listened to their studio albums. Became a fan because of the MTV Unplugged and Live at Reading

    • @tpags7398
      @tpags7398 4 года назад +6

      Live at reading
      Sliver:voice crack lmao

    • @tricko8000
      @tricko8000 4 года назад

      T Pags Lol yeah XD

    • @diamondmiles8462
      @diamondmiles8462 4 года назад

      @Tashawn Sheffield YEAH!

  • @crazedoutlook
    @crazedoutlook 2 года назад +36

    Thank you! And Nirvana did not invent grunge. Pixies, Sonic Youth, Replacements, and countless other bands already developed the genre. Also, grunge did not end hair bands. Glam rock of the 80s was already on its way out. The Seattle scene just made it obvious.

    • @YBM2007
      @YBM2007 Год назад

      MLB was sort of one leg in both worlds

    • @pranav5788
      @pranav5788 10 месяцев назад +1

      Nobody says Nirvana invented grunge, they brought it to the mainstream which helped other similar bands

    • @crazedoutlook
      @crazedoutlook 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@pranav5788 It was and still is a popular misconception with people who are unaware of bands that Kurt Cobain cited as influences that Teen Spirit introduced a whole new musical genre.

    • @pranav5788
      @pranav5788 10 месяцев назад

      @@crazedoutlook Those people don't know much about grunge scene then but Nirvana surely was the flagship band that made it mainstream in early 90s which most of their peers acknowledge.

    • @matturner6890
      @matturner6890 3 месяца назад

      Replacements are pretty far away from Grunge. They're college rock.
      The first grunge band was the U-Men.

  • @TheManTheMythTheE
    @TheManTheMythTheE 7 месяцев назад +16

    Comment section summarized: Everybody hates everybody

    • @donniemarko675
      @donniemarko675 27 дней назад

      Slipknot said it best People = Shit

  • @xtwogplays
    @xtwogplays 4 года назад +1043

    Listen Mike, I love you, I can see where you're coming from with disliking Nirvana, but god sakes I'M NOT PLAYING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS!!

  • @wbm3085
    @wbm3085 4 года назад +2417

    If it wasn't for Nirvana you wouldn't have the Beatles

    • @agiantgummylizard69
      @agiantgummylizard69 4 года назад +160

      Sergio Balaguera its a joke

    • @Yani_lol
      @Yani_lol 4 года назад +6

      Idiot Beatles were from 60s maybe even 50s and nirvana was late 80s or 90s

    • @wbm3085
      @wbm3085 4 года назад +29

      @@Yani_lolNonce.

    • @ladenbin
      @ladenbin 4 года назад +30

      @@Yani_lol lmao this idiot

    • @adamtadeo3894
      @adamtadeo3894 4 года назад

      That's the stupidest thing I ever hesrd

  • @creta6705
    @creta6705 Год назад +20

    Kurt watched a lot of MTV. His mind was an algorithm to identify what would be successfully commercial on TV. He not only had a great voice or composed decent melodies, he knew marketing. That's why they became so successful.

  • @drdoofenstock5559
    @drdoofenstock5559 2 года назад +218

    This man has a lot controversial opinions but still seems genuine and a good person

    • @corban8714
      @corban8714 2 года назад +42

      Not controversial, its a fact. Nirvana is a pop, overrated band

    • @drdoofenstock5559
      @drdoofenstock5559 2 года назад +10

      @@corban8714 I disagree but no hate

    • @pwm_vrt6
      @pwm_vrt6 2 года назад +37

      Finally, someone doesn't start blindly hating on Mike just cause he said his opinion. You sir, are truly great

    • @bw2937
      @bw2937 2 года назад +1

      @@corban8714 Bullshit

    • @drdoofenstock5559
      @drdoofenstock5559 2 года назад +2

      @Michael B yeah I hate all his takes usually but that’s just personal taste his stuff is really entertaining though

  • @angelosarmiento9511
    @angelosarmiento9511 4 года назад +1413

    Speaking of their potential; In one of Kurt’s last interviews he stated that In Utero would be their last “grunge” album and if I remember correctly, he even stated that he was sick of their old sound. He said that in future albums they would get more experimental and sound completely different but of course we never got to hear that. I often think about what that would’ve sounded like.

    • @9ZenMedia
      @9ZenMedia 4 года назад +104

      Angelo Sarmiento if I remember correctly he had said he was quite interested in using orchestral arrangements more, probably like Jesus...sunbeam from unplugged but more varied instrumentation. Woulda been cool maybe.

    • @IndigoJo
      @IndigoJo 4 года назад +59

      @@9ZenMedia Michael Stipe said that he and Kurt Cobain were planning to collaborate and would have done if Kurt had not killed himself. Stipe said that Cobain wanted "nothing plugged in" although, even on their actual 'Unplugged' album, his Martin is played through an electric guitar pickup (as opposed to an acoustic one or a mic) and sounds a lot like an electric.

    • @sydberetta4649
      @sydberetta4649 4 года назад

      BEEG BEEG facts

    • @hellofwiend1110
      @hellofwiend1110 4 года назад +67

      I could be mistaken but I think Dave Grohl has said some of the early Foo Fighters songs were originally written for Nirvana. So they might have sounded similar to Foo Fighters

    • @cakeunicornpirateman
      @cakeunicornpirateman 4 года назад +2

      Radiohead No. 2 but actually number 1 but doesn't exist?

  • @mrworld5181
    @mrworld5181 4 года назад +2456

    My man hatin on Nirvana, but he advertises Raid shadow legends

    • @christopherh5801
      @christopherh5801 4 года назад +32

      Mr World like an absolute beast.

    • @jamesedleymusic
      @jamesedleymusic 4 года назад +52

      Mr World Criticizing. Not hating. There’s a difference.

    • @calebgreen3082
      @calebgreen3082 4 года назад +93

      dedley01 the title is “why I hate nirvana”

    • @jamesedleymusic
      @jamesedleymusic 4 года назад +63

      Caleb Green Yes, but if you engage your brain a bit and watch the video you’ll realize it’s a stupid clickbait title.

    • @jamesedleymusic
      @jamesedleymusic 4 года назад +43

      Jonathan Chiasson Maybe you perceive it as stupid because you can’t accept opinions that aren’t congruent to your own.

  • @kyleh1127
    @kyleh1127 2 года назад +31

    I hate nirvana, but one thing I can say about them is, as a musician, everyone I've worked with who lists nirvana as a formative influence almost always tends to have moved on from them to very broad range of diverse musical tastes and as players, even if they are limited in technique and actual music education, they all tend to have a very good and natural musical intuition and understanding. They know what to play and when, even if they may not know exactly how to play it. They seem to have a natural understanding of things like dynamics and appropriate changes or counterpoints. It's something I've observed not unlike people who have the Beatles as an early formative influence. I'd usually rather work with someone who has Beatles or nirvana as a foundation that's only been playing for 6 months than, say, Kiss or Iron Maiden fans who've spent a decade playing.

  • @cubasbeatproducer2374
    @cubasbeatproducer2374 Год назад +10

    You're right smells like teen Spirit is what made me acknowledge this band. Smells like teen Spirit is one of my favorite songs of all time. When I dug into the rest of their catalog I was honestly disappointed. I mean I could listen to a few other songs but seemed like they all lacked so many things that teen Spirit had going for it.

  • @PicturedMind
    @PicturedMind 4 года назад +154

    Oh boy I can't wait to read the comments on this one.

  • @kennymoore7546
    @kennymoore7546 4 года назад +294

    Why is the album Insecticide ignored by everyone? Not a lot of hits, but still there.

    • @zachpappas5105
      @zachpappas5105 4 года назад +55

      it wasn't technically an actual album, it was a compilation of b sides and outtakes from bleach and nevermind

    • @kennymoore7546
      @kennymoore7546 4 года назад +6

      @@zachpappas5105 gotcha

    • @nucks2233
      @nucks2233 4 года назад +6

      @@kennymoore7546 Great album! Love it!

    • @Bellocks1
      @Bellocks1 4 года назад +26

      Incesticide is massively underrated! Dive, Big Long Now, Been A Son and Aneurysm are gems.

    • @nucks2233
      @nucks2233 4 года назад +11

      @@Bellocks1 u forgot Sliver! Best song! And Turnaround, Molly's Lips, Son of a Gun

  • @kylebower8167
    @kylebower8167 2 года назад

    Can somebody explain what a "frequency bubble" is? He mentions it around 16:15
    Just curious cause I havent heard this term before (I'm probs just a noob)
    Thank you!

  • @jonglass9052
    @jonglass9052 2 года назад +9

    Gotta say, this making me laugh though 😂 You’re being very respectful of your dislike and that’s something to utterly respect. Nice one mate. And yeah, I’m British.

  • @smithfan22
    @smithfan22 4 года назад +734

    In my opinion Nirvana has remained popular for these reasons:
    1. Perfect timing. Hair metal was dominant and Nirvana killed it off with one song, "Smells Like Teen Spirit". It was a fresh sound for the mainstream. Key word: mainstream.
    2. They were the voice for the angsty Generation X. They made relatable music for those teens and college kids. They were the biggest thing in music from 1991-1994 until Oaisis blew up in 1995.
    3. The death of Kurt Cobain. Him dying young elevated them into a legendary status, and many asked the question: "What if Kurt didnt die?"

    • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
      @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 4 года назад +88

      I don't blame Kurt for hating Teen Spirit. That song was literally a musical weapon which despite it murdering a rather appalling genre, attracted the wrong kind of people.

    • @leonflint5413
      @leonflint5413 4 года назад +11

      I just like their music in general. Don’t really care about their attitude too much.

    • @pilotamurorei
      @pilotamurorei 4 года назад +42

      Guns n roses killed off that commercial crap. BTW, hair metal was started by thrashers to bash the LA sound, so i can tell you can get fucked because there was plenty of good music out of LA at that time.

    • @smithfan22
      @smithfan22 4 года назад +28

      @@pilotamurorei People still lumped them into that mix. If anyone from LA was agaisnt the hair metal stuff going on, it was Jane's Addiction.

    • @RedDragon2326
      @RedDragon2326 4 года назад +9

      Their popular still because people like their songs, idgaf about their "hits" I like MTV unplugged album, when I was 10 in 2012 i learned about nirvana in Buddhism and thought hey that would be a cool band name it means like tranquility and peace, heaven but a better name, so i searched nirvana band on google two check if anyone had the idea first and made it big cause their are artists with the same name as long as they are little but what popped up was nirvana, Kurt cobain, and so i listened to them on RUclips and smells like teen spirit had like 600m views and i liked it but was like holy shit but at the same time fuck i wanted to use the name, they released 3 albums and of course it was heavy but remember they were 3 punk minimalists who never wanted fame just music and they where evolving to be less heavy like every heavy band which is a shame, Kurt was an artist🎨, singer songwriter at such a young age

  • @antoniusk8893
    @antoniusk8893 4 года назад +504

    Mike: I don’t like Nirvana
    New fans: aaaaahhhhhhhwhatthehellhowcouldyousaythat?!?!
    Older fans: we saw this coming

    • @iz2333
      @iz2333 4 года назад +2

      Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhwhatthehellhowcouldhesaythat?!?!?

    • @MB-rc8ie
      @MB-rc8ie 4 года назад +11

      actually nobody cares

    • @olliecollins7955
      @olliecollins7955 4 года назад +1

      The first time I watched this guy he was going on about the doors and I was like I hate this guy and I can see we’re he’s coming and I could forgive him but I’m not sure I can this time🤣

    • @kennyberg1395
      @kennyberg1395 4 года назад +31

      His opinion doesnt even matter. Half of the shit he likes sucks worse than Nirvana, but, opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. Not everybody needs to see it though. 🤷‍♂️

    • @mayrakoira5397
      @mayrakoira5397 4 года назад

      We saw this coming

  • @pcb8059
    @pcb8059 2 года назад +71

    I was never a big fan, but saw them twice in concert, the only concert Ive been to where every person is singing every song lyric for lyric for the entire concert. Its was like listening to a 20,000 person choir.

    • @Kaesewicht
      @Kaesewicht Год назад +4

      Sounds damn annoying.

    • @Thegamer10113
      @Thegamer10113 Год назад +11

      @@Kaesewicht honestly sounds awesome for a band to connect with an audience like that whether a good band or not.

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 Год назад

      @@Kaesewicht that happens at Power Metal festivals in Europe

    • @fz7091
      @fz7091 Год назад

      @@Kaesewicht Miles better than a dead crowd

    • @pinkled4429
      @pinkled4429 Год назад

      That happens in Iron maiden concerts too

  • @TaSk1o4
    @TaSk1o4 2 года назад +90

    “Because, despite the extent of my musicianship and all my technical mastery, I will still never have Kurt’s ability to simply write songs that move people”.

    • @mylerwilson4879
      @mylerwilson4879 2 года назад +7

      Cardi b songs makes me fucking twerk, having people move to music is only one thing

    • @TaSk1o4
      @TaSk1o4 2 года назад +16

      @@mylerwilson4879 I highly doubt that. And being inspired to dance is only one way of being moved by music.

    • @michaelclark1811
      @michaelclark1811 Год назад +7

      Wow, you thought he literally meant move people physically lol

    • @jeremyjames1659
      @jeremyjames1659 Год назад

      STFU. Most of his lyrics are ambiguous at best.

    • @youreokayboah2128
      @youreokayboah2128 Год назад

      Basically, lol

  • @mikechalabi9763
    @mikechalabi9763 4 года назад +173

    I’m kinda curious if you’ve seen Rick Beato’s “What Makes this Song Great” about Nirvana, specifically his 2nd one. I’d be interested to know what you think about his take on Nirvana.

    • @ChuckWasHere
      @ChuckWasHere 4 года назад +5

      @Wild Eye Curious...what is it about Beato you don't like?

    • @JbfMusicGuitar
      @JbfMusicGuitar 4 года назад +8

      Was thinking that as well, Nirvana used some pretty complex (for pop/rock) melodies, harmonies and non-diatonic chord progressions, but don't make it sound like prog- which is no easy feat!

    • @iliketrains3495
      @iliketrains3495 4 года назад +2

      Yep probably a case of 'Oh, that's what we did' lol

    • @russwilson2305
      @russwilson2305 4 года назад +1

      @Wild Eye -Beato is The Man

  • @andrewglikis6326
    @andrewglikis6326 4 года назад +1298

    He was definitely bullied by nirvana fans in high school

    • @Cody-sk2dr
      @Cody-sk2dr 4 года назад +123

      The problem with Nirvana is that it's a very overrated band

    • @nilsar3742
      @nilsar3742 4 года назад +213

      @@Cody-sk2dr The word "overrated" is overrated. When people don't like a popular band, they just call it overrated.... which is annoying and hilarious at the same time.

    • @johnuary
      @johnuary 4 года назад +32

      Cody20023 they deserve all the hype 🧚🏻‍♀️💖

    • @marcomaliqi9844
      @marcomaliqi9844 4 года назад +13

      @@nilsar3742 That is not always the case. Even if *you* think that something is overrated, there are also people that like the artist of that certain thing that is overrated and even they say that and tbh Nirvana is a great example of that. They aren't bad but they are overrated and that is a fact. Overrated isn't always something bad, don't forget that.

    • @Cody-sk2dr
      @Cody-sk2dr 4 года назад +33

      @@johnuary not really, there are other grunge rock bands that are better than Nirvana like Alice in chains, Soundgarden, Even Pearl jam is better than Nirvana hahaha

  • @Redguard-Nazeem
    @Redguard-Nazeem Год назад +5

    definitely overrated, I remember rolling stone also saying he was one of the best guitar players ever which was ridiculous..

  • @jte3209
    @jte3209 Год назад +55

    Very narrow definition of genius, his ability to convey emotions and give an insight into his mental struggles was very impressive especially from someone without a musical background. I think most fans of nirvana aren’t under any illusion he is as great as Hendrix or Van Halen on the guitar, or as great a lyricist as John Lennon. They just love the rawness and emotion which comes through in his music, which most artists I don’t think can capture in even close to the way that Kurt did.

    • @mylerwilson4879
      @mylerwilson4879 Год назад +4

      That shows emotional intelligence, doesn’t show his genius

    • @toastyskateralt4725
      @toastyskateralt4725 Год назад +10

      That’s just Kurt Cobain being fucked in the head and spilling out his mental problems into his music. It’s not genius it’s a cry for help and that’s why people think it’s so raw and punk and shit. I mean for me I’ve been in extremely dark places in my life before and knowing the emotions he might have been going through first hand yes it’s impressive that he was able to write the music he did, but it also was just objectively bad music being held up by the fact he was depressed and struggling mentally (edit also I mean no disrespect by saying I might know what he was going through but I’ve struggled with real mental problems myself and am only alive because my brother unknowingly walked downstairs before I could yk)

    • @thewhitetophat8965
      @thewhitetophat8965 11 месяцев назад +3

      absulotely not bro, have you see some nirvana fans!? they treat kurt like a god

    • @j.c7719
      @j.c7719 9 месяцев назад +5

      What emotions did he actually convey? All his songs are about women.

    • @anastasiiaasp
      @anastasiiaasp 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@mylerwilson4879 What would art be without emotions, man?

  • @ed1567
    @ed1567 3 года назад +252

    I respectfully disagree

  • @rashotcake6945
    @rashotcake6945 4 года назад +603

    I think Mike just doesn’t like punk, or anything with a punk ethos

    • @rashotcake6945
      @rashotcake6945 4 года назад +63

      Z metal wouldn’t have blast beats without punk. a lot of punk bands are admittedly influenced by Black Sabbath, but punk would totally exist without Black Sabbath. Punk was born from garage rock of the mid to late 60s. The stooges were basically making punk before Black Sabbath’s first album was released.

    • @sammcgrow3335
      @sammcgrow3335 4 года назад +11

      nirvana is not punk or anywhere near punk man

    • @sammcgrow3335
      @sammcgrow3335 4 года назад +9

      @Z NIRVANA IS NOT PUNK STOP

    • @rashotcake6945
      @rashotcake6945 4 года назад +78

      Black Bart Simpson notice how I said punk ethos. Grunge was influenced by punk. In Utero has a rough, noisy recording, clearly influenced by punk bands who rejected hifi production. I mean the album was produced by Steve fucking Albini, you know, the guy who was in multiple killer post hardcore bands as well as being an audio engineer for plenty of punk acts. Songs like tourettes, stay away, territorial pissings, and negative creep have a clear punk influence to them with their speed and raspy shouted vocals. Kurt cobain was a big fan of several punk acts, such as black flag, the Buzzcocks, bad brains, the stooges, etc. Both Kurt and Dave Grohl have admitted to being influenced by Husker Du, one of the first hardcore punk and alternative rock bands ever. Without Hüsker du, you wouldn’t have the pixies. And without the pixies, you sure as hell wouldn’t have nirvana, considering how much of a giant influence they were on them. Nirvana, especially on bleach, also borrowed a lot from noise rock and sludge metal, and those two genres have clear ties to punk. The pixies were noise rock sometimes and the melvins were sludge metal at times. Two bands Kurt loved. Finally, Kurt doesn’t play flashily, he plays very simple riffs, sometimes pretty noisily and fast, and that’s pretty punk imo. Punk rejects the technical playing and sterilized production of progressive rock bands and in utero follows in these footsteps. It had a punk ethos. Which is why mike doesn’t like it

    • @R3stlessNWild
      @R3stlessNWild 4 года назад +5

      What punk ethos?
      Because when I think Nirvana, I sure as Hell don't see an indication that they could grasp the attitude of "we're gonna do this ourselves, kick ass, and be awesome" like Minor Threat, Black Flag, The Misfits, The Clash, The Damned, etc.
      All I see is a band led by a guy that GG Allin would be embarrassed to be around.

  • @JIMMYJREVIEWS_thaiM-A-F-I-A
    @JIMMYJREVIEWS_thaiM-A-F-I-A 2 года назад +1

    How about AIC ? I would be interested what you think of them ?

  • @KilroyWasHere83
    @KilroyWasHere83 2 года назад +40

    This comments section just reinforces my belief that Nirvana has one of the most cancerous fanbases in music history.

    • @mylerwilson4879
      @mylerwilson4879 Год назад +4

      Spend with them long enough and you’ll be getting chemotherapy in no time

    • @markcollins2704
      @markcollins2704 Год назад +1

      Facts.

    • @V-RADIO
      @V-RADIO 6 месяцев назад +1

      It was and is a cult.

    • @shaknblake6560
      @shaknblake6560 5 месяцев назад +1

      U can’t talk u are paying to become a member

    • @chrissyswifey
      @chrissyswifey Месяц назад

      says the person who’s a member of a youtube channel 💀

  • @alexandergeodakyan1988
    @alexandergeodakyan1988 3 года назад +1013

    For people that complain about Nirvana's music being very simple here's quote for you guys:
    "I don't want you to play me a riff that's going to impress Joe Satriani; give me a riff that makes a kid want to go out and buy a guitar and learn to play"
    -Ozzy Osbourne

    • @aszneehitme8691
      @aszneehitme8691 3 года назад +27

      I'm confused how does that quote rebut/change the notion that Nirvana's music is simple to play?

    • @alexandergeodakyan1988
      @alexandergeodakyan1988 3 года назад +79

      @@aszneehitme8691 It answers the question "why Nirvana is so popular" They are a Punk/Grunge band (a music genre made by teens for teens) sometimes a riff based on only 3 chords is all that you need

    • @alexandergeodakyan1988
      @alexandergeodakyan1988 3 года назад +3

      @deadvoguestar you maybe not but alot of other have

    • @alexandergeodakyan1988
      @alexandergeodakyan1988 3 года назад +11

      @@brianjones8432 And you're point is... ?
      I never said Kurt was a guitar god he was decent at best while Rhodes was one of the top players in the music industry

    • @brianjones8432
      @brianjones8432 3 года назад +14

      @@alexandergeodakyan1988 The point is, you can write complex AND catchy riffs that still motivate kids to want to play guitar.... It's the whole reason my generation was bored as fuck in the 90's covering Nirvana tunes for the braindead masses. Because we grew up learning from people who could actually play their instruments.....smh..... And if Kurt had actually been any kind of "genius" he would have been smart enough to point the shotgun at Courtney. Nuff said.

  • @deathmetalmario666
    @deathmetalmario666 4 года назад +615

    Nirvana had interesting melodies and a dark emotive tendency I still love. They were my favorite band growing up. Complex isn't always better.

    • @bubblegumgun3292
      @bubblegumgun3292 4 года назад +5

      nope
      go listen to killing joke brighter than a thousand suns

    • @VVVY777
      @VVVY777 4 года назад +31

      Simple/Inept/Lazy isn't always punk/cool/genuine/good either. Nirvana had a handful of great songs and a lot of meh.

    • @t.hussain921
      @t.hussain921 4 года назад +11

      @@VVVY777
      totally agreed. I find Nirvana and Dream Theater similar in a sense that they have some great songs here and there but mostly super boring albums, even though their approach to music is the polar opposite of each other.

    • @botordojocpklipp4292
      @botordojocpklipp4292 4 года назад +10

      Jim Stockham nirvana was a experimental band that had succes they did not exist to play well they existed to make music that THEY liked it just happened to be so that people could relate to their music

    • @jamesedleymusic
      @jamesedleymusic 4 года назад +1

      Jim Stockham It’s a review not a personal attack.

  • @sirvilhelmofyonderland
    @sirvilhelmofyonderland 2 года назад +13

    I appreciate your opinion 👍
    Personally I like Nirvana. The music.
    Some guys I knew in college, LOVED Kurt, the person, one guy , Cory, had a huge wall sized poster of Kurt’s face, he read the same books Kurt read, Cory worshipped Kurt. That I didn’t understand. Hero worship is for the birds.

    • @drspritz
      @drspritz 5 месяцев назад

      If Kurt was ugly they wouldn't have gotten to this level..my 2 cents

    • @sirvilhelmofyonderland
      @sirvilhelmofyonderland 5 месяцев назад

      @@drspritz yes. Unfortunately that’s how the industry is. Some people idolize celebrities for some reason. I like Robert De Niro. His acting, his movies. But I don’t idolize the man. I don’t read the books he reads or have a six foot poster of his face in my room. Does that make sense?

    • @serobesehightower4041
      @serobesehightower4041 4 месяца назад

      Classic Cory

    • @sirvilhelmofyonderland
      @sirvilhelmofyonderland 4 месяца назад

      @@serobesehightower4041 exactly, he’s probably worshipping Machine Gun Kelly now.

  • @garyhill2740
    @garyhill2740 4 месяца назад +3

    Nirvana? Culturally significant?
    The Bealtes are culturally significant.
    Thank you for giving eloquent voice to the things I think and feel every time I hear Nirvana's "genius".
    Nirvana was......a band?

  • @Dog-jk7nc
    @Dog-jk7nc 3 года назад +984

    "oh ok I'll try to understand his side"
    **Raid shadow legends sponsorship**

    • @urvermin2682
      @urvermin2682 3 года назад +28

      rightttt because i'm sure that NO you tubers you watch have done a Raid ad lmfao. gfy. how does doing an ad invalidate an opinion?

    • @urvermin2682
      @urvermin2682 3 года назад +3

      @@bree9556 good thing you'll never have to worry about that

    • @nayru1855
      @nayru1855 3 года назад

      @@urvermin2682 clearly, humor seems to be a missing feature for you

    • @yoshi0k262
      @yoshi0k262 3 года назад +4

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    • @JWinnie04
      @JWinnie04 3 года назад +2

      @@yoshi0k262 I played the game for a week and was sick of all those pack ads, its also just a boring repetitive game and every time I see or hear a sponsorship for raid I can't stand it

  • @JD-ll3kh
    @JD-ll3kh 4 года назад +248

    I’ll be damned if I take this kind of abuse from a man who’s Harley Davidson shirt identifies as a Tapout tshirt 😂

  • @mrbadsound
    @mrbadsound 2 года назад +1

    Can't wait to send you my debut album when it drops. Really want to know how it ranks for real

  • @andreadonis6979
    @andreadonis6979 Год назад +6

    This video was very enjoyable to me because it was brutally honest. I don't agre with you in many aspects, but i also came to understand and almost agree with others. Kurt may not be a musical genius if you compare him with Mozart, but he certainly made an impact and brought honesty back to mainstream music.

  • @cheemo48
    @cheemo48 4 года назад +316

    *Bashes Dave Grohl’s drum sound...
    Immediately asks me to subscribe.
    *yeah that’s gonna be a no.

    • @BecomeTheKnight
      @BecomeTheKnight  4 года назад +69

      So that's a common joke among audio engineers. "The snare sounds like shit" is pretty much a meme at this point due to how difficult it is to sit right while cutting through a mix. It was intended to be a non-serious statement for a laugh.

    • @justinnardine8564
      @justinnardine8564 4 года назад +2

      Aaron Branson hahahahahahha

    • @colega23
      @colega23 4 года назад +28

      I still don't get why some people hate others (with no solid arguments), just 'cause they have different opinions ... like, dude, he has some really good points that we should consider. Think outside the box

    • @cheemo48
      @cheemo48 4 года назад +14

      Hey, you replied and were super nice about it! That makes my day dude. Just for that, I WILL subscribe :)
      And just so you know, I was trying to be funny by exaggerating the snark.

    • @devinluoto873
      @devinluoto873 4 года назад +6

      Grohl is easily one of the best drummers ever

  • @conormurphy4328
    @conormurphy4328 4 года назад +297

    WE DID IT PEOPLE, WE GOT THE RAID SPONSORSHIP!!!

  • @southerner66
    @southerner66 10 месяцев назад +3

    I was born within a few months of Kurt Cobain, but I was lucky to be trained in music and to have exposure to a broad range of music earlier than Cobain did, as I understand his biography. I lived in England in the late 70s and got exposed to British punk early on. By the time I graduated high school, I had a huge collection of punk records and, generally, everything that descended from The Velvet Underground, plus a lot of the Indie/Alternative Rock of the 80s, Patti Smith, The Clash, The Violent Femmes, Black Flag, etc... I loved Sonic Youth. I had a show on my college's radio station, so we were always looking for new, cool bands. I saw Jane's Addiction open for Love and Rockets. So by the time Nirvana came around and brought a punk ethos to the mainstream, it didn't blow me away because I'd seen it before and, arguably, done better. Now, if Nirvana was your first exposure to this genre of music, then that's great, but it has roots going back 25 years. And compared to some of the ones who came before, I don't think Cobain's lyrics are that great. ("I'm anemic royalty"?) He wasn't Lou Reed or Patti Smith. So I'd say that if you like Nirvana, you should check out their musical antecedents.

  • @stratman103
    @stratman103 2 года назад +50

    "Spoke to a directionless generation with directionless music." Perfectly stated.

  • @TheTitxus47
    @TheTitxus47 4 года назад +352

    06:57 My man predicted the whole Puddle of Mudd cover

  • @zapper4945
    @zapper4945 4 года назад +225

    Nirvana is my favorite T-shirt brand

    • @LordofDiamondsMetal
      @LordofDiamondsMetal 4 года назад +4

      "T-shirt band"... I gotta introduce that phrase into my conversations.

    • @rebelguy9487
      @rebelguy9487 4 года назад +6

      AC/DC is MY favourite t-shirt brand!

    • @barringtonwomble4713
      @barringtonwomble4713 4 года назад +1

      I see teenagers wearing those now.

    • @nigel7779
      @nigel7779 4 года назад

      Lord of Diamonds that’s not what it said but I agree

    • @e-knockpower7808
      @e-knockpower7808 4 года назад +3

      Mike Northrup Iron Maiden for me.

  • @karlmanchur9906
    @karlmanchur9906 2 года назад +62

    I don't hate the music, I just hate the hype and the messianic levels of worship of Kurt by fans that never gave a shit about that kind of music before Nirvana came out to remould the pop music landscape. I feel Kurt originally wanted to be famous (at least subconsciously) but couldn't deal with the eventual price tag it came with and became disillusioned when every kind of pressure was put on him from his label and fans and felt there was only one way out. Like many people, I feel sorry for the guy more than anything. He seemed like a very sensitive and troubled but kind soul who was crying for help, alone and falling off the mountaintop at an alarming pace.

    • @clamcrewcarclub6017
      @clamcrewcarclub6017 Год назад +4

      He also had a stomach illness that put him in pretty much constant pain that the doctors couldn’t figure out

    • @pinkled4429
      @pinkled4429 Год назад +2

      You nailed it man.
      Absolutely on point

    • @FactsMatter999
      @FactsMatter999 Год назад +1

      Just ask Michael Jackson how fun it was for him to be out in the public at all. Whether at the mall or the beach his life was total hell. Zero privacy. The price of excessive fame is high 🤷

    • @beerye9331
      @beerye9331 11 месяцев назад

      "I don't hate the music"....This comment contributes to the Messiah (Savior) Complex.

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 10 месяцев назад +3

      I agree. Nirvana was a great band and Kurt was a talented songwriter, but I actually prefer most of the other Seattle/PNW bands as far as output. I get tired of people making Kurt out to be the second coming of John Lennon.

  • @inboundmusic8894
    @inboundmusic8894 Год назад +5

    One of my hot takes is that I don't like nirvana. And finally someone agrees with me!

  • @themadmeme
    @themadmeme 2 года назад +777

    Whether you like Nirvana or not, at least we can all agree that they’ve inspired a lot of people to pick up an instrument

    • @earthpart3
      @earthpart3 2 года назад +9

      Very true, I actually forgot until I read this comment that he was the main reason I started playing in '94.

    • @goodinternetuser1943
      @goodinternetuser1943 2 года назад +18

      They inspired me to come to kurts house with a shotgun but when I showed up I think someone beat me to it

    • @RandysGutt
      @RandysGutt 2 года назад +1

      @@goodinternetuser1943 as long as you agree it was someone, not himself

    • @flatearthisahoax4030
      @flatearthisahoax4030 2 года назад

      @Constantine Constans
      "I can agree that Nirvana sucks"
      ~A guy who just joined a month ago, whose mommy's net worth is NOwhere near Kurt's net worth

    • @flatearthisahoax4030
      @flatearthisahoax4030 2 года назад

      @Constantine Constans "i can agree that Nirvana sucks"
      Yet they won the hall of fame :)

  • @matthewv4257
    @matthewv4257 4 года назад +263

    Nirvana isn’t about refinement, complexity or trying to appeal to anyone’s opinion of what music should be. Nirvana was about a feeling, a rejection of what everyone thought rock was.

    • @andrewt836
      @andrewt836 4 года назад +15

      Moisty Matthew I agree. Nirvana’s music was an expression of pure emotion through sound. What it looked like is irrelevant

    • @kingofdragontown9680
      @kingofdragontown9680 4 года назад +9

      Well it still sucked monkey balls.
      I'll leave ya a poem.
      Nirvana is bad.
      Kurt's songs are bland.
      You should check out good music like Badlands.

    • @portapotty69
      @portapotty69 4 года назад +41

      @@kingofdragontown9680 Badlands is unlistenable garbage. Super corny. Hair metal dorks from the 80s will always complain about Nirvana.

    • @thugnificent9143
      @thugnificent9143 4 года назад +13

      @@kingofdragontown9680 cringe

    • @mxrder8767
      @mxrder8767 4 года назад

      Moisty Matthew Perfect way to explain it tbh

  • @lightbeforethetunnel
    @lightbeforethetunnel Год назад +21

    My view is: This is what happens when people focus far too much on the technicalities of music. It takes away from the purpose of music in the first place if you do it for long enough, to the point where people actually interpret it completely differently. This happened to me years ago when I was younger, a guitarist, and a producer.
    I took years off from music entirely, hardly listened to music at all for about 5 years... and when I got back into music, I could appreciate music organically again for what it actually is. I could hear music for the original purpose once again and appreciate it without being distracted by technical details.

    • @martskione
      @martskione 6 месяцев назад +1

      I get what you’re saying. Its that intangible quality. Being able to feel the song and have it put you in a vibe instead of getting focused on the technical aspects of the musicianship. “Seeing the forest for the trees,” if you will. I’ve been playing guitar for 28 years and anytime I hear a song I enjoy that makes me not notice the guitar, it’s usually a pretty accurate indication that it’s a well written song.

  • @mildchaos6037
    @mildchaos6037 2 года назад +9

    I loved Nirvana growing up but as my music understanding and taste evolved, I completely understand your point. I loved them because it was simple and my parents wanted me to think they were the greatest thing ever (they were big during their 20’s). I’ll listen to them occasionally but it’s rarely voluntary. They are good in moderation now but everyone has their own opinions 🤘🏼

  • @A2Z83
    @A2Z83 4 года назад +117

    Me: listens to a bunch of Nirvana on youtube
    RUclips: recommends video of a guy who hates Nirvana

    • @mrs_death_metal_
      @mrs_death_metal_ 4 года назад +9

      IKR?????

    • @thehammer5200
      @thehammer5200 4 года назад +12

      A2Z83 RUclips’s trying to help u get a better music taste 😂👏🏾

    • @pilkington9293
      @pilkington9293 4 года назад +10

      The Hammer there taste is just fine

    • @Kris_P._Bey_Ken
      @Kris_P._Bey_Ken 4 года назад +2

      Duh, can you say algorithm? *goes and watches sky diving videos* ....wait... Why do i keep getting sky diving video recommendations?

    • @nun6996
      @nun6996 4 года назад +2

      Media platforms enjoy conflict, brings them business.

  • @stevestevens8749
    @stevestevens8749 4 года назад +205

    The funny thing is -- in his own way, Kurt Cobain was a music snob too.

    • @Cairo98_
      @Cairo98_ 3 года назад +15

      Yeah and I love Nirvana, the fanboys and girls shut down anything negative said about him lol.

    • @Ninja_S1000RR-R
      @Ninja_S1000RR-R 3 года назад +22

      Yup, he talked crap about many bands

    • @feastorafamine
      @feastorafamine 3 года назад +6

      I Had a first release demo cassette of Love Bug/Big Cheese. One song per side
      This band destroyed 80's hair metal, with for the exception of very few bands, the rest were musically intolerable.
      Melodies
      Aretha
      Tops, Spinners
      Kurt was a Roadie for The Melvin's
      True story. After the first big royalty check from his he bought a jaguar. Something reliable, cuz thier shit car broke down all the time. The cost day he owned the jaguar kids gave him shit about his fancy car. He never drove it again
      I cried when 5 musicians died
      John Lennon
      Pac
      Johnny Cash
      Kurt Cobain
      Chester Bennington (sweet soul)
      and Chi Cheng, my dear friend, former bass player from the Deftones. Crushed me
      Nirvana has been awarded one Diamond, three Multi-Platinum, seven Platinum and two Gold certified albums in the United States by the RIAA, and four Multi-Platinum, four Platinum, two Gold and one Silver certified albums in the UK by the BPI.
      But ya who noticed? 😆

    • @Cairo98_
      @Cairo98_ 3 года назад

      @@feastorafamine 👍

    • @gunkanjima3408
      @gunkanjima3408 3 года назад +3

      How was he a music snob? He created utter shit for music

  • @michaelbuehler3897
    @michaelbuehler3897 Год назад +9

    A lot of angry Nirvana fans in the comment section.

    • @want.to.b3.gamer670
      @want.to.b3.gamer670 Год назад +4

      I'm barely getting into nirvana now. I watch this video when it came out too. But since I'm actually giving them a chance now. I decided to read the comments. It's filled with teens or guys who don't understand opinions. After 30 years it came out.

    • @RaytheGrayt
      @RaytheGrayt Год назад +4

      Lol true. Everything Kurt did was genius or accidental genius to them. Plus for some reason they always have to bring up why he was such a great, troubled guy, as if that means anything. To me its just false idol worship.

    • @chrissyswifey
      @chrissyswifey Месяц назад

      cry about it

    • @StewBedazzle
      @StewBedazzle 19 дней назад

      @@chrissyswifey Yes the nirvana fans are definitely crying about it

  • @adriansullivan4433
    @adriansullivan4433 2 года назад +16

    The truth is that Nirvana or any other popular act aren't just popular because of their music but more their allure, attitude, image, timing, and many other factors. The majority of popular acts aren't incredible musicians but very unique and charismatic people and the whole package is what people follow, that's why the most talented people typically have smaller fanbases

  • @MrGvl321
    @MrGvl321 4 года назад +433

    I'm a huge, huge Nirvana fan and I think the video makes a good point on why you don't worship Nirvana and that's totally cool.

    • @Mizelei2012
      @Mizelei2012 3 года назад +15

      I really don't like Nirvana but I respect your attitude

    • @mariovomhof2775
      @mariovomhof2775 3 года назад +9

      It's all about respect. 👌

    • @shuruff904
      @shuruff904 3 года назад +5

      It's cool to hate on Nirvana

    • @bydemonsbedriven803
      @bydemonsbedriven803 3 года назад +9

      Hell, if we all liked the same band then it would be pretty fucking boring. Nirvana isn’t music and music isn’t Nirvana. Nirvana is just a part of music and there is a lot of other music out there so if you like them cool and if you don’t whatever. I can listen to a few of their songs, I definitely don’t worship them but I don’t hate them either. They are just there like many other bands....

    • @the90sinfluence
      @the90sinfluence 3 года назад +2

      I agree with you on that. I Really like nirvana for their simplicity, melody, and emotional music, also his screaming voice, but I see where this guy is coming from

  • @kendaljanowicz5705
    @kendaljanowicz5705 3 года назад +795

    “I just have no clue why so many people love nirvana” because not everyone loves extreme thrash metal

    • @marvintimke3978
      @marvintimke3978 3 года назад +115

      Well that's kinda why Nirvana became big. They were just really different than Glam and against that flashy image. Just like thrash metal, but thrash metal was to heavy for the mainstream. Nirvana just hit a sweet spot between being pretty mainstream enjoyable and something you can go wild to. But yes, everyone has a different taste

    • @vonicrimson3619
      @vonicrimson3619 3 года назад +9

      Name 1 extreme thrash metal band, before you say anything, I’m a big fan of Nirvana

    • @marvintimke3978
      @marvintimke3978 3 года назад +49

      @@vonicrimson3619 Dude, you're just like this "Name 3 songs" meme

    • @vonicrimson3619
      @vonicrimson3619 3 года назад +40

      @@marvintimke3978 you like nirvana? Name every nirvana 😳🥺🤩🤪🤗😬😑🙄🥴🤐🥱😴💩👾💀💀

    • @OriginalKingRichTv
      @OriginalKingRichTv 3 года назад +6

      Grunge from the 80s was taken to another level when producers got their hands on the sound.

  • @jackshadow325
    @jackshadow325 Год назад +2

    I was in high school in the early 90s when Nirvana was putting out their albums (and when Cobain offed himself). The 90s were good and simple years - pre-social media, pre-9/11 - but yes, for many it was very nihilistic.

  • @cmonman3639
    @cmonman3639 3 месяца назад +5

    Nirvana is great if you're a 13-year-old boy.

    • @StanTorrent
      @StanTorrent 2 месяца назад +2

      Or have parasocial relationship syndrome

  • @inoshikachokonoyarobakayar2493
    @inoshikachokonoyarobakayar2493 4 года назад +476

    This dude... I picture him listening to Sex Pistols, and saying something like "Too much fuzz." 😔

    • @itsjustmoses4313
      @itsjustmoses4313 3 года назад +5

      Lmao... This is my pinned comment

    • @DioStreams
      @DioStreams 3 года назад +15

      Except the only difference is, Sex Pistols were a shit punk rock band.
      They were posers

    • @tammy2760
      @tammy2760 3 года назад +32

      @@DioStreams nah you just don't know what you're talking about

    • @DioStreams
      @DioStreams 3 года назад

      @@tammy2760 I listen to The Ramones, and I'm pretty sure their opinions are very well known as well.
      I listen to good punk rock and artists who were consistent to the end, not one-off one hit wonders who broke up after an album because they never gave a fuck

    • @tammy2760
      @tammy2760 3 года назад +31

      @@DioStreams lmao breaking up after one really successful thing is like, the most punk thing you could do
      real punks dont call other punks "posers"

  • @tpags7398
    @tpags7398 4 года назад +112

    All I can say is if you are going into a punk/hardcore/grunge band expecting Dream Theater.............
    Reevaluate

    • @tpags7398
      @tpags7398 4 года назад

      Not to Mike btw

    • @andrepereira744
      @andrepereira744 4 года назад +30

      Its like hearing The white Stripes and complaining there's no bass,lacks another guitar and double bass drum......my my the problems of living in the metal bubble

    • @asa-ze1kn
      @asa-ze1kn 4 года назад

      i like punk and dream theater

    • @Canalbiruta
      @Canalbiruta 4 года назад

      considering i
      his top bands, i dont think this is the problem

    • @eog5217
      @eog5217 3 года назад +1

      @@andrepereira744 Wdym Metal bubble

  • @lowenbad
    @lowenbad 2 года назад +3

    When they were all the rage in the early 90s, me and my snobby musician friends were really hard on Nirvana. We were busy with the likes of Faith No More, Soundgarden and Tool.
    After Kurt passed, I gave them a second chance and found that I liked them more than I thought and that they wrote some decent songs. I still don’t understand the social obsession and zeitgeist that occurred. There were literally hundreds of bands from back than that I thought were far more deserving. They are ‘just ok’.

    • @anonymoususer2756
      @anonymoususer2756 Год назад +1

      Soundgarden is so fucking good. So much better than Nirvana.

  • @Savior-GuitarVocalDemosCovers
    @Savior-GuitarVocalDemosCovers 11 месяцев назад +5

    im pretty sure everything said in this video nirvana intended.

  • @Iceman99992
    @Iceman99992 4 года назад +80

    Nirvana is actually what transitioned me from a huge hip hop fan to a huge rock fan

    • @pezzypiff8375
      @pezzypiff8375 4 года назад +1

      Same

    • @anders836
      @anders836 4 года назад

      For me it was reggae

    • @VinylandKicks86
      @VinylandKicks86 4 года назад +1

      in the '90s i was a big Hip Hop Head who also loved Grunge/Alternative Rock so it never really was a transition for me.

    • @jakefloyd5910
      @jakefloyd5910 4 года назад

      ok but there's still plenty of great rappers and producers nowadays out there

    • @theravagergamer7389
      @theravagergamer7389 2 года назад

      Chad

  • @tyronescringeheaven1120
    @tyronescringeheaven1120 4 года назад +81

    Well, the comment section here is gonna be fun to read

  • @bonchbonch
    @bonchbonch 2 года назад +2

    Something that fascinates me about Nirvana is that, despite their status as a revolutionary band, the grunge fad they heralded only lasted a few more years before getting replaced by other fads like ska, nu-metal, and electronic music. If Kurt Cobain hadn't killed himself, I wonder how differently they might have been viewed at the close of the decade. Would they merely be seen as a brief but memorable flash in the pan? I think his suicide has become an inseparable part of the experience of listening to them and discussing them, amplifying everything about the band into a sort of tragic pop culture legend.

  • @grimpond941
    @grimpond941 2 года назад

    What do you think about the Unplugged album?

  • @bemersonbakebarmen
    @bemersonbakebarmen 4 года назад +30

    Nirvana is the 90s Sex Pistols.
    If you dont get It you wont see why Its important.

    • @bubblegumgun3292
      @bubblegumgun3292 4 года назад +2

      @Kyle Whitehead dafuq are you talking about have you listen to post punk .
      but yeah grunge sucks azz

    • @mainsmain
      @mainsmain 4 года назад

      @xennialpride80 pearl jam lmao

    • @Cody-sk2dr
      @Cody-sk2dr 4 года назад

      @@bubblegumgun3292 what about soundgarden and Alice in chains? I consider them better than nirvana

  • @ericamarin2483
    @ericamarin2483 2 года назад +448

    As a massive Nirvana fan, watching this video was actually a very interesting experience for me! In my house, both me and my sister are obsessed with Nirvana, and our parents absolutely could not give two shits about them. For this reason, I have learnt to respect those who don't feel the same way for Nirvana and Kurt that I do.
    But in other words, I don't mind sharing why I love Nirvana and Kurt, since Mike has also encouraged the conversation.
    1) Personally, I don't think playing sloppily is so much of a bad thing. I am not talking about the punk ethos here, I am speaking from the perspective of a girl who once never believed she would be able to achieve playing great music. Listening to Kurt reminded me that playing music has to come from the love of playing music and not with the aim to become a 'technical genius'. I now play guitar and though I strive for perfection and practice every day, I no longer get into fits of rage and low self-esteem when I can't master a chord change. I no longer feel the urge to smash the instrument I am playing (LOL even if Kurt himself did do this XD).
    2) I think the labeling of geniuses is a very subjective thing and always has been. My opinion is that he was a genius, and part of that comes from his idleness. I remember an Agatha Christie quote where she stated that all human inventions (made by so-called 'geniuses') come from human idleness and the desire to actually make things easier. I believe Kurt is this for many young musicians. But I can totally understand if you don't agree, because everyone has a different definition of 'genius'. As Mike says, I don't think Kurt would be comfortable with the term either.
    3) My favourite album is actually In Utero. To me this comes from, once again, a VERY subjective POV. There are songs in that album, lyrically and musically, that seem to understand many feelings and thoughts I have had and continue to experience. It is an emotionally powerful album, often very dissonant and harsh, and to me a punch in my gut. I have sobbed out loud with this album. I am sure many out there have also done the same and felt similarly.
    I think what I am trying to say with my list of three is that the fame of Nirvana and people's love for Kurt actually comes from a very deep, humanly emotional level, possibly even more than a musical one IMO. He seems to have touched many people, and many see parts of him in themselves. Nirvana and Kurt were magnetic like that.
    For that reason I think it highly depends on personal experience if you like them or not. And if one doesn't that does not make them any less of a human/great artist/wonderful person/emotional wreck XD! It's just different perspectives.
    Sorry for the long ass comment I just feel like since Mike went through the trouble of explaining his perspective and opinion, some should respond with an equally rational even if subjective approach, as many on here have also done :) x

    • @themistoklestheodosopoulos6253
      @themistoklestheodosopoulos6253 2 года назад +22

      I actually read all of that lol. Nice comment.

    • @scylla019
      @scylla019 2 года назад +3

      I dunno I listen to a lot of Pixies Doolittle and Surfer Rosa and love that a lot so I don’t think the sloppy playing is the thing.

    • @jessewallace666
      @jessewallace666 2 года назад +12

      I think you are spot on. I think this isn’t mikes style and I can totally get that

    • @gothygothy608
      @gothygothy608 2 года назад +1

      Just say you hate grunge coz thats all grunge

    • @ericamarin2483
      @ericamarin2483 2 года назад +4

      @@gothygothy608 as in Mike should say he just hates grunge? hahaha

  • @jmjfanss
    @jmjfanss Год назад +5

    Nirvana pretty much the one that started rock and music as a whole going to crap in the 90's, their revolution only lasted a little while and it's gotten worse for the past over 3 decades since.

    • @Ronnie.Raymond
      @Ronnie.Raymond Год назад +2

      Got really nervous when I only saw “Nirvana started rock and music” 😂
      But yeah, you right. I get flak for doing it, but I ask people all the time “Name one legendary, all time great band that has gone on record citing Nirvana as their biggest influence”

    • @jmjfanss
      @jmjfanss Год назад +1

      @@Ronnie.Raymond yep, this band paved the way for the garbage fake rock you seen since then,

  • @1200hobos
    @1200hobos Год назад +3

    They were like the Taylor Swift of the early 90s. Playing their music was a giveaway that you liked popular things a lot. Grunge was so mainstream it eventually washed it out. We were all listening to Cobain's favorite bands.

  • @Ben_Rothenburg_
    @Ben_Rothenburg_ 4 года назад +54

    "the forefather of pop punk"
    The buzzcocks, the descendents and billions of other bands: am i a joke to you?
    I feel like maybe he meant post grunge and the mainstream alternative scene,i don't really see many pop punk bands with Nirvana's sound. I actually understand most of your points,but i don't feel that one was accurate in the slightest.

    • @GrimmFLawless
      @GrimmFLawless 4 года назад +3

      dead cornball Nirvana did help bring alt rock to the mainstream including pop punk. Green Day bassist Mike Dirnt even acknowledges this. People became more interested in Punk/Alt in general. Nirvana was supposed to headline Woodstock 94 but the memorable act instead was Green Day and their mud fight I like both grunge and multiple punk styles ie Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC, Green Day, Bad Religion etc

    • @Ben_Rothenburg_
      @Ben_Rothenburg_ 4 года назад

      @@GrimmFLawless yeah,but if you look at all the pop punk bands before Nirvana , like the 80s (e.i. the adicts,billy idol, descendents) already had a following in America. I do think to a certain extent, Nirvana might've helped elevate the popularity of punk in the mainstream,but i think there's more factors that were in pop punk's favor.

    • @VCCassidy
      @VCCassidy 4 года назад +3

      Mike obviously doesn’t know much about punk music.

    • @andrepereira744
      @andrepereira744 4 года назад

      I think he obvioulsy dosen't know much about music in general

    • @LorcaLoca
      @LorcaLoca 4 года назад +1

      Husker Du!!!

  • @lol-qk4mc
    @lol-qk4mc 4 года назад +416

    Why do people use the word “objectively” when talking about music

    • @-Datboijj-
      @-Datboijj- 4 года назад +56

      if you hear the same certain notes repeatedly in a short period of time, that's objectively repetitive right?

    • @elvisgonzalez4710
      @elvisgonzalez4710 4 года назад +49

      Jj ru Yes, but music at the end of the day relies on perception, which can never be objective since it relies on introspection.

    • @adityamohan1773
      @adityamohan1773 4 года назад +3

      Damn. Opened my eyes

    • @Daily_Bassist
      @Daily_Bassist 4 года назад +24

      Elvis Gonzalez Movies rely on our perception because we’re watching it and absorbing the plot, but the scripts can still be judged objectively as to how coherent they are. It works with pretty much all forms of art. If you compare the Mona Lisa to three lines on a piece of paper that took someone 5 seconds to draw, the Mona Lisa is still objectively better crafted. It doesn’t matter if someone prefers the three lines, more expertise and skill went into the Mona Lisa.

    • @elvisgonzalez4710
      @elvisgonzalez4710 4 года назад +6

      Daily Bassist True! There’s some elements of music that can be analyzed (structure, etc) but at the end of the day, it all just comes down to an opinion.
      Your example was a bit extreme, of course something like Dance of Eternity is structurally better than Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Still, someone can just enjoy Twinkle Twinkle Little Star more. Music is a bit different than something tangible, so the comparison is a little off.
      Bleh I hate getting into semantics (I’m not much into debating) but objectively just isn’t a good word to use for art. In my opinion is a better term. Music is just too subjective for that and deserves much more than being put in a box 😄

  • @markpell8979
    @markpell8979 2 года назад +1

    At about 14:15 you reiterated the point about their rhythmic accuracy or lack thereof. Their producer even mentioned this as a huge problem when mixing tracks to try and craft them into finished songs. He was almost a miracle worker and at least half responsible for Nirvana's greatest hits. He had to find ways production-wise to work around this rhythm and syncopation issue on the tracks he had available to work with, to keep from needing the band members (Kurt mainly) to come back in and lay down useful additional tracks that could actually be synched. Hard to make that happen when the singer/leader is laid up in a dark room somewhere on a self-pity binge. (Oh, did I say that?) Anyway I've "heard" that some drugs affect your experience of time and where you are within it. That would understandably make it hard to play music in a rhythmically tight way. Hypothetically speaking. After his last record Kurt said he wanted to get away from that and make better music. We know what happened next though and it didn't take long. Heroin is a cruel mistress. Boo hoo, people who kill themselves when they're on top of the world directly insult us who find ways to stay alive and keep trying. Now about Dave Grohl... never mind.

  • @drowningin
    @drowningin 2 года назад +1

    I liked them as a kid, but these days I will end up changing the song. They were definitely of a time. The only song I really like and will actually listen to regularly is 'You Know You're Right' which makes me wonder if I would of liked their next record a lot.

  • @MattSaintsMusic
    @MattSaintsMusic 4 года назад +348

    I love ya man, but lets just be real that the reality is you're basing your projections on precision, and math, and charts and numbers, and technique, production, tone etc and mainly forging your argument around those types of details. The reality is that they didnt give a shit, and i feel that to truly get it and love it beyond just liking the singles, you have to be somewhat of a naturally chaotic, and manic person, which you do not seem to be in the slightest, and thats not an insult, i just think that is the key to why you dont like them. You're focusing on the details in a band that was never about details. Technique and precision will never equal raw feeling and the ways that it connects with people. Basically you're being a musician about it. I can see both sides of it, because ive played every manner of music, written every manner of music, and some things require manic bullshit like that, and some things require precision. It doesnt make either side of the argument correct. Kurt was a poet more than anything ya know. I just feel like you're basing this on the same things as perhaps a jazz or classical musician would, and its like dude, you're talkin about Kurt Cobain, get real. You're taking it too literally, as if they actually thought about the things you're talking about. Like when you mentioned one of the modes i couldnt help but laugh because i couldnt help but think to myself "does this dude really think any of them were thinking about the modes, or gave a shit or knew what the modes were?". The whole thing was just about attitude. idk im gonna stop rambling. All in all, love you man!

    • @adami2140
      @adami2140 4 года назад +54

      Agree, its funny you know one of my good friends was an insane classically trained guitarist, but he couldn't play any nirvana song like kurt did, he was so structured and stiff. Art is outside of the fundamentals. Just listen.

    • @soggyman3852
      @soggyman3852 4 года назад +11

      Sex

    • @gibanicarstolar2149
      @gibanicarstolar2149 4 года назад +29

      MattSaintsMusic THANK YOU why are people assuming that more complex or technically proficient is better IT IS NOT, MORE COMPLEX DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN BETTER

    • @tomgreenfan
      @tomgreenfan 4 года назад +3

      yeah just feeling and attitude

    • @jonhopp
      @jonhopp 4 года назад +11

      I dont think he's discounting any of that.
      Rawness and simplicity are perfectly fine. What he was pointing out was the nihilism conveyed in the total "fuck you" approach to music and sound. It gets to the point of being overly self-indulgent, whiny and immature.
      Curt was a highly flawed person, flawed musician, oftentimes making flawed songs. There was a spark of beauty and creativity there but not enough for the mass hype they got.

  • @robbyolinski1450
    @robbyolinski1450 4 года назад +58

    in utero was their best by far. taken aspects from insecticide and using noise to keep people like you away honestly

    • @SmxkeGxd
      @SmxkeGxd 4 года назад +2

      LMFAO WHAT DO U PPL LOOK FOR IN MUSIC? SOMETHING TO SLEEP TO?

    • @Cairo98_
      @Cairo98_ 4 года назад

      Yeah, just being themselves. They really upset the masses with that one.

    • @thefilmeffect6089
      @thefilmeffect6089 4 года назад +1

      I'm not a huge Nirvana fan, but this is their one album that I love. I love the production on it and it's a heavier Nirvana record. I understand some of Mike's criticisms on Kurt, but he was a great songwriter. Yeah, some of the songs are simple and repetitive, but the fact that Kurt left such a mark on the industry with limited guitar ability is a testament to his ability to write great songs. They're a band that many different rock/metal fans can get into because of that. I don't like grunge or punk music. I mostly listen to death metal, but even I can get into Nirvana because they were just different and Kurt had such a unique voice.

    • @derfgerps4016
      @derfgerps4016 4 года назад

      Robby Olinski it’s for sure their best

  • @joeflatley5748
    @joeflatley5748 2 года назад +1

    2022!. Love Nirvana, grew up in the era. You missed Incesticide, album after Nevermind and before In Utero. But if we all like the same music and had same tastes the world would be boring.

  • @caymenmann5344
    @caymenmann5344 Год назад +11

    I was obsessed with nirvana in my early high school years, but grew out of them towards the end of high school.

    • @Ronnie.Raymond
      @Ronnie.Raymond Год назад +1

      Same! Who did you gravitate towards after your Nirvana fandom?

  • @infor99
    @infor99 3 года назад +623

    Sometimes I think Nirvana is overrated too. But then I listen to Nevermind and that feeling goes away really fast. They were a special band, unique and had a ton of great songs, thats not subjective. So it doenst matter if you like them or not, the fact is they change the landscape of music in the 90s and still remain as one of the most influential bands of that era.

    • @curioso7867
      @curioso7867 3 года назад +15

      And he's the reason popular music has gone to shit ever since. He changed the musical landscape for the worse for sure.

    • @infor99
      @infor99 3 года назад +66

      @@curioso7867 "has gone shit since then"? I don’t think so. Radiohead, Oasis, Coldplay, Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Tame Impala, The Killers, The Strokes, Eminem, Amy Winehouse, Kanye West, Bruno Mars, Kings Of Leon, Interpol, The Black Keys, Travis, Daft Punk, Avicii, Maroon 5, Gorillaz, ect etc....

    • @citrus7115
      @citrus7115 3 года назад +38

      @@infor99 half those bands you mentioned are either awful or not very good. And Nirvana having great songs is very much subjective.

    • @infor99
      @infor99 3 года назад +48

      @@citrus7115 all those bands I mention are all great. Smells like teen spirit is not a good song dude? Is a fucking classic. So is Come As You Are, Heart Shaped Box, Lithium etc.....

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 3 года назад +38

      Nirvana were a good band. They wrote good songs, recorded good albums and put on a good live show. The problem is that the messianic worship of Kurt Cobain went to insane levels. Even he wouldn't like it if he were alive today.

  • @thedamnshame
    @thedamnshame 3 года назад +280

    This is the kinda dude who thinks having an unpopular opinion is a personality trait

    • @astatine4604
      @astatine4604 3 года назад +14

      Watch his videos and youll know lol

    • @jayn8392
      @jayn8392 3 года назад +21

      This is quite literally a "listen to my opinion" channel....

    • @astatine4604
      @astatine4604 3 года назад +31

      Lets be honest tho Kurt is not really a genius and he wouldn't have been as popular as he is now if he didnt die early

    • @gollumi5046
      @gollumi5046 3 года назад +10

      @@astatine4604 maybe not a genius but very relatable dude which is one of the reasons people look up to him I quess

    • @07foxmulder
      @07foxmulder 3 года назад +11

      @@astatine4604 Lol what? Nirvana was the biggest band on the planet before Cobain killed himself. The rock world literally stopped the day it was announced that he died. “LeTs Be HoNeSt ThO” lol

  • @AwesomeBosses100
    @AwesomeBosses100 Год назад +1

    I wonder what Mike thinks of Alice n Chains both Layne era and new era 🤔

  • @SuicideSeason4545
    @SuicideSeason4545 2 года назад

    I’m glad that most of the criticism was about their sound and tone because for the most part that’s their biggest flaw and strength at the same time. It’s why I love that band so much

  • @larrypaul9376
    @larrypaul9376 4 года назад +199

    I think he ended up explaining why he was a genius

    • @lukehahn4784
      @lukehahn4784 4 года назад +19

      Larry Paul he spend around half of the video praising nirvana

    • @spartansquid5931
      @spartansquid5931 4 года назад +28

      No he explained why they were an okay band who had some good stuff, wasted a lot of potential and were totally overrated.

    • @silviotavares771
      @silviotavares771 4 года назад

      best comment

  • @fraserking4747
    @fraserking4747 4 года назад +35

    DOWNLOAD RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS NOW AND RESURRECT THE SOUL OF KURT COBAIN

  • @snakedictionsmg6205
    @snakedictionsmg6205 Год назад +3

    The only thing that I think Kurt Cobain was a genius at was out to market himself, he knew exacly how to connect with the youth of the time. Nirvana was my first band that got me in love with rock music and later on with Metal, I don’t listen to it a lot today but I still like it, that said I can agree with a lot of your points

  • @josiplilic3384
    @josiplilic3384 7 месяцев назад +3

    I don't hate you personally,but I hate your music preference🎉

  • @mustacheman4476
    @mustacheman4476 4 года назад +51

    “Kael also deals poison damage”
    Just like the vegetable

  • @myless.5493
    @myless.5493 3 года назад +656

    Kurt Cobain's melody writing is one of the best

    • @ricardosiahaan5287
      @ricardosiahaan5287 3 года назад +31

      Subjectively

    • @myless.5493
      @myless.5493 3 года назад +43

      @@ricardosiahaan5287 True, but look at Teen Spirit's Melody in the Verse and Chorus. It's remarkable

    • @ufukciftci218
      @ufukciftci218 3 года назад +32

      @@myless.5493 no its not

    • @myless.5493
      @myless.5493 3 года назад +27

      @@ufukciftci218 You wanna give an example of a melody that is remarkable?

    • @ufukciftci218
      @ufukciftci218 3 года назад +24

      @@myless.5493 you can listen any led zeppelin songs. That is the melody writing. What kurt did is Playing some power chords and screaming like a cat

  • @capo_di_capi
    @capo_di_capi 2 года назад +3

    Well they sold and still sell millions upon millions of their music, how much of your Spotified music have you sold?

    • @KintoUn13
      @KintoUn13 2 года назад

      Wow great counter argument. Nirvana and tool sux cox in hellz

  • @MathTravels
    @MathTravels 2 года назад +8

    Interesting and well done video! I am not a biggest fan of Nirvana but I feel that this is for different reasons than what you are describing. I come from the world of punk and underground and my favorite bands of all time are Velvet Underground and Sonic Youth. For me, Nirvana is important because they were popularizers of the 80s underground and I hear clear influences of Pixies, Sonic Youth, Killing Joke, Breeders (their album Pod was a huge influence on In Utero) . Because of Nirvana, more people were exposed to the bands /artists such as Meat Puppets and Daniel Johnston (Kurt wore Daniel Johnston T-shirts many many times in public). However, Nirvana itself was not that interesting to me compared to these other bands. By the time Nirvana blew up, you had at least 10 years of college and alternative music that Nirvana was (heavily) referencing. On the other hand, I think that you don't like Nirvana because underground/punk/alternative is not the musical aesthetic that you dig. From your channel, I gather you are more a metal/hard rock fan and you love more technical music. Which is cool. Or maybe I am wrong and you really dig bands like Sonic Youth and Velvet Underground and you simply don't like Nirvana that much. But I think you have more of a problem with the genre than the actual band. For example, people love Boys II Men, but I don't, not because of Boys II Men but because I don't like the genre of soft R&B. So if I created a video on why I don't like Boys II Men, that would be missing the point because I really don't have a problem with them, I have a problem with an overall aesthetic of the band. Sorry for the long comment and peace!

    • @mistertagomago7974
      @mistertagomago7974 2 года назад

      Glad I found someone here who actually feels the way I do.

    • @willbordash5904
      @willbordash5904 Год назад

      I agree I think mike cares more about technical playing than what the music sounds like

    • @enyazogd5325
      @enyazogd5325 5 месяцев назад

      @@willbordash5904 that was not the point this comment was supposed to get across
      mike likes the SOUND of technical stuff while some other people like the SOUND of more simple stuff.

  • @deltadelta6751
    @deltadelta6751 3 года назад +424

    “Self appointed judges judge. More than they have sold.”

  • @andreisidro6544
    @andreisidro6544 4 года назад +299

    It's 100% fine to not like Nirvana but most of the reasons you gave are the cliché reasons someone who doesn't get Nirvana hates them for. Not surprisingly it's mostly metal fans who've been conditioned to see technicality and proficiency as one of the, if not the most important aspect of music. Nirvana being arguably the most influential rock band of the last 30 years challenges that conception and creates a whole lot of frustration amongst these people.

    • @Cairo98_
      @Cairo98_ 4 года назад +1

      👍

    • @Defrap22
      @Defrap22 4 года назад +1

      Yea

    • @jesterinadeck_2980
      @jesterinadeck_2980 4 года назад +28

      Duck Tape Melodies. Saying someone doesn’t understand the band is not a defense. I think the main reason Mike hates Nirvana so much is the fan base. They claim Kurt Cobain is a musical genius and he wasn’t. I mean when someone’s main defense for a band they like is that the people who dislike it just don’t understand it just shows how little they know about music. They are overrated. He’s not explaining why it isn’t technical because that doesn’t matter, he is explaining why it’s dull.

    • @wethepeoplehi883
      @wethepeoplehi883 4 года назад +5

      That's cause kurt was a shitty guitar player , singer and was mostly zooted on heroin. That's the beauty of the music and the genre ofgrunge. Kurt knew he wasnt good and it pissed him off how people liked it.

    • @nessarytm6340
      @nessarytm6340 4 года назад +1

      @M.L. 'BEWMIE' Wolff Why?

  • @williamdenton1410
    @williamdenton1410 2 года назад +2

    About time someone said it! I played in a working band while in college in the early 90's and got so sick of everyone requesting freaking Nirvana. So we had to play some.... So Boring, but easy to work up like two or three times played thru and we had it. BTW Steve Vai Rules!!!!

  • @michealcox7236
    @michealcox7236 2 года назад +1

    I used to have exactly this same opinion, and then some switch just flipped in my head and I started to like them, but not to any fanatical extent.

  • @demogorgonzola
    @demogorgonzola 4 года назад +44

    Mike likes:
    - "Love Buzz" - maybe a coincidence but it's a cover, not Nirvana's original.
    - "Smells like Teen Spirit" - why not go all the way and admit to prefer Weird Al's "Smell like Nirvana" :)

    • @solomonster747
      @solomonster747 4 года назад +10

      I mean to be fair Nirvana definitely made "Love Buzz" their own

  • @anthonysclafani3963
    @anthonysclafani3963 4 года назад +278

    Respectfully, I think you dislike Nirvana for some of the wrong reasons, primarily for their popularity. You like technical music, and seem to look down on simpler music like Nirvana, which is ok but I feel like your dislike of their influence & popularity is what makes you find things about Nirvana’s music to dislike.

    • @mxrder8767
      @mxrder8767 4 года назад +4

      Anthony Sclafani preach 😂

    • @t.hussain921
      @t.hussain921 4 года назад +7

      I don't think he always necessarily likes technical music. Opeth is one of his top3 bands and there's nothing technical about Opeth.
      Simplicity doesn't always mean genuine and good. Nirvana is a very polarizing band, many people find them bland (myself included). It is what it is.

    • @jiimmyyy
      @jiimmyyy 4 года назад +23

      @@t.hussain921 there's quite a lot technical about Opeth.

    • @t.hussain921
      @t.hussain921 4 года назад +4

      @@jiimmyyy
      Not on the same level as Dream Theater, Tool and some other prog bands. Opeth put lots of feel and soul into their music.

    • @spartansquid5931
      @spartansquid5931 4 года назад +5

      But he wasn't saying they were bad, he was saying he understands why people liked them but thought they were totally undeserving of their massive fame.

  • @sungraz5238
    @sungraz5238 2 года назад +5

    Off the bat…. I LOVE KURT AND NIRVANA but I respect your opinion but loving nirvana is more about loving freedom and they change you as a person because nirvana is a form of therapy for many people

  • @MikaelJohnston
    @MikaelJohnston 7 месяцев назад +1

    Little late to the party on this video but had to comment. First, love your channel and your vibe. Your commentary is very thoughtful even when I don't fully agree. However, to be fair (and I realize I may be over simplifying this) but I don't think that a guy like you who seems to primarily enjoy metal math rock is Nirvana's target audience. With that said, I wasn't a big Nirvana fan (especially when Kurt was alive) but I do think there are definite moments of songwriting genius in hindsight. I sincerely think had he of lived and managed to not burn out on drugs there was potential for future greatness once he matured, but sadly his untimely death means we'll never know. I agree Never Mind is by far their best record, production, and writing wise. Also, Smells Like Teen Spirit is their best song. It's not an exaggeration when I say that song literally changed the course of rock music. The first time I heard it I knew immediately the sound of commercial rock as I knew it in the 80s and early 90s was dead. I think you have to give Butch Vig a lot of credit for that tbh. I agree their later music was a public diary of a very damaged man, and I'd say he represents the generation who grew up on Nirvana quite well; which is why they are so incredibly popular even to this day. I'll end by saying this in regards to the "Is Kurt a genius" argument, there are so many fans that can relate with him on such a visceral level that he's almost achieved a god like status. I'd argue that perhaps being able to connect with so many people on such a visceral level is it's own kind of genius? In fact it's not too unlike Jim Morrison, another artist that died young, was polarizing and whom many felt was over rated. I'd say their lives and musical contributions have many parallels. PS I just saw your video "Why I hate the Doors" LOL fitting...

  • @chaseg
    @chaseg 4 года назад +17

    I think a lot of the die hard fans genuinely relate to Kurt on a personal level. His life before getting popular kept him incredibly humble about it all. He never forgot about where he came from. And that’s very respectable considering the level of success they acheived.

  • @loucardenuto2841
    @loucardenuto2841 4 года назад +26

    The next Nirvana album was supposed to incorporate symphonic elements, I think that would have been interesting.

    • @hihi-xu7up
      @hihi-xu7up 4 года назад

      @brandon roberts why?

    • @rebelguy9487
      @rebelguy9487 4 года назад +2

      I always got the vibe that Nirvana would've eventually made an acoustic studio album

  • @OwenMiller-ge5lo
    @OwenMiller-ge5lo Год назад +1

    I don’t agree with all of your opinions, but I definitely see where your coming from. The reason why so many people like nirvana is the intensity and rawness (especially from bleach and in utero) and they had an extremely unique sound palette that was highly impactful on music as a whole.