Subaru had all sorts of problems integrating ahem *"regular electronics"* ahem which did not get fixed until the 2024 Model Year...but has been very much fixed true to say. Adding this system should help in creating a more feature rich driver assistance system in addition to adding an enormous amount of increased range from one gallon of gasoline. Solid car but the engine is underpowered now given the added weight and demands now😊😊
The main reason why stay with the Subaru brand is the full time AWD system and if this hybrid keeps the Subaru symmetrical AWD I'm all in on Subaru's new hybrid. In reality this hybrid system is far superior to a present-day EV and has a smaller carbon footprint than present day EV's.
I've said it before; Im so happy that Subaru have kept the Boxer engine and AWD system as the heart & soul for its new hybrid range. I was worried they would go the route of all-Solterra type EV's, and completely lose the brands strengths and identity. Can't wait to see how the full reviews of the 2026 Crosstrek hybrids go, and I think that 'coming Iate to the party' has been a smart move...
The Subaru buyers buy their cars for the supreme performance of the permanent 4 wheel drive compared to the Rav4. It can never compete in efficiency with a 2 wheel drive with occasional 4 wheel drive. It goes against physics. It does what it supposed to do. It gives hunters, outdoors people and daily commuters what they need. A safe and good drive under adverse situations with snow, ice, rain, mud, gravel and sand. I think an gas reduction in between 25-30% is to be expected. This is what similar systems have given. With Toyota know how It's hopefully closer to 30% or just above. Then it good improvement.
i would personally not fill up such a large tank all the time for normal usage, only for long trips. the EV mode should definitely help in stalled traffic though
I thought the high power cord goes under the passenger seat to reduce affecs of EMF on the driver, at least i think that's how it is in the Prius? Unless you regularly have passengers in the passenger or back seats, it makes a lot of sense. With young people or kids any electrified vehicle is not recommended.
It may be the picture of Japanese version of Subaru Crosstrek so that would be the passenger side. In japan the steering wheel is on right (driver) and passenger seat is on left side.
The system seems similar to Nissans. It has around 25% efficiency increase. The engine also works as an generator for the battery and it don't work on constant rpm it varys between 1000-4000rpm in the Nissan case. I think Subarus system will have a 25-30% efficiency increase tops.
most important is the cvt.. is it still going to be the one that should be expected to need major service after 150G miles? Or is it going to be comparable to toyota's that is essentially problem free?
i believe its a eCVT and not a pure CVT. that being said the fluid has to be replaced every 60000 miles or so instead of 30000 miles. Maybe longer depending on usage
I love the 4WD capability I had a Subaru in Colorado. I love the unique H4 engine. Toyota hybrids are the best. Now they just need to hire an actual designer so the car doesn’t look like a 15 year old Mitsubishi in 2025 and they’ll have a winner on their hands.
63L or 16.6 US gal is the same capacity fuel tank as the 2024 Crosstreks. Will they have to remove the spare tire to make room for the battery? It shouldn't be a really big battery necessarily. It will be interesting to see if the engine coming on in series mode will happen smoothly, and also if it does come on at an annoyingly low throttle position/driver input demand. Hopefully that's the kind of thing that's already matured from Toyota's expertise.
EVs are strictly for urban infrastructure paths when you don't mind not being able to charge for any reason. Went '24 CCH AWD with egress as aging senior. Nearly 80% EV mode time as that's the metric.
planetary gear E-CVT , so no belt or chain or pulleys. Like a RAV 4 hybrid. Two electric motor-generator in the transmission, one is always driving the wheels, the other is work as generator-starter-gear ratio control for the combustion engine.
Yeah it'd be like 38 mpg which is still amazing with a mechanical symmetric AWD, especially if that's the combined real-world mileage. But it'd be amazing if the engineers could aim for an efficiency of 40mpg+ with a smaller and more lightweight package of the crosstrek
@@andreii.6094you’re half correct, Toyota systems are still very much assisted by the electric portion of the drive train on the freeway, but the gas engine is on more often than city roads.
@@andreii.6094Don't forget unlike Toyota Subaru has a full fledged mechanical AWD that's more effective than Toyota AWD but less fuel efficient. Still i am curious to seemixed mode MPG
I had a 2014 Outback for 4 years, and finally got rid of it because it burned a quart of oil every 900~1200 miles right from the day I bought it. Everyone I've ever known who owned an Outback or Forester told me the same tale of woe - they all burn oil. Subaru doesn't seem to know how to build these boxer engines with piston rings and valve stem seals that can keep the oil from out of the combustion chamber. By the time they have 150K miles, they're often burning a quart of oil for every tank of gas, and at that point the catalytic converter is probably clogged with oil and the car thus won't pass a California Smog Check even if it's not yet making visible oil smoke. I'm not sure if this Subaru mechanical powertrain is even relevant any more. Electric AWD systems have far less parasitic frictional loss in the rear axle when you don't actually need AWD, which is 95% of the time for most owners who live in cities and only occasionally take their car off-pavement. If you are talking about Hybrid cars, the computer that's controlling the electric motors can do traction control far more accurately in a modern electric drivetrain than it can in this 40 year old Subaru mechanical drivetrain. And fuel economy? My Rav4 Prime gets 45 mpg on a long road trip with it's 2.5 liter engine - my Outback got 25. This 2026 Hybrid Crosstrek probably will get better fuel economy than my non-Hybrid 2014 Outback, but probably not 45 mpg; not with that mechanical driveshaft powertrain and fluid-coupling powersplit device.
They do not ALL burn oil.......I've driven nothing but Subies since retireing 15 Years ago and NONE of them burned oil.......You have a personal problem...............Paul.......BUT...I'd rather have a computer controlled motor in the rear.......Electric Motors and computers just work well together..........I/E...........Look at the 4 motor Drones.......Could not fly without accurate computer control
The first Gen hybrid Crosstrek was such a mild hybrid system that the ROI was nil. I will be surprised if this achieves anything close to the fuel economy of the Toyota (now also coming to Mazda) system. For starters, the Boxer engine is not as efficient as the Atkinson cycle engine in the Toyotas. Weight will be interesting, given retention of a mechanical AWD system. What might be better than other maker's hybrids is the performance of the AWD system. The question will then become, "How good do you need your AWD to be?". The slick deal with Atkinson Cycle in the Toyota is that the electric motors compensate for the inherent weakness in Atkinson Cycle engines, which is low end torque. At the higher end, Atkinson is more efficient than traditional ICE (Otto Cycle?). But, if these give the Subaru's a bit more grunt, maybe it will help, as their non-Turbo offerings have been tasked with powering increasingly heavy vehicles. The old 2.5 Boxer has been falling further behind every year. I took a "pass" this year on replacing my Forester XT with any Subaru and bought a Toyota instead. I always thought this would be a challenge for Subaru to pull off. On one hand, they've hung their hat on "Symmetrical AWD", but trying to maintain that level of AWD and tying it to a hybrid system is a challenge. From a few anecdotal headlines I've seen, the Toyota hybrid AWD isn't necessarily a great AWD system. BTW, the 63 liter gas tank is about 16.6 gallons. So, for a Crosstrek, that is pretty large.
Subaru has stated it won't have ideal efficiency for those reasons, but if they can make the gains significant enough over the standard model, and retain the symmetrical AWD, it should still be quite appealing.
Lithium ion battery rather than Toyotas nickel metal hydride. More power last longer. The engine a necessity to charging it is necessary. They do not recharge as easily they have longer lasting charge and more power. Add civil. Better yet
ReportedlyHonda use lithium metal oxide instead of LiFePo4 (source: Honda document available online, describing how first responders should disable high voltage circuitry in case of a major accident involving CR-V Hybrid). Batteries used by Toyota are bulky but no fire danger at all, at least, not in the battery. Regular Li-Ion are the most fire prone of all types of li-Ion batteries. Electric cars, as far as I understand, usually use LiFePo4 which are very unlikely to get into thermal runaway and catch fire. Why Honda would not use safer batteries, defeats me.
The specs all come straight from Subaru (power, range, battery etc). They haven't given specifics on the operation of the hybrid system except to say the electric traction motor will provide the propulsion "in a wide range of situations". 👍
The Solterra has rear motor in lieu of drive shaft/still advertized "SYMETRICAL" and is reputed to be equal or better than Forester/Crosstrek...............I'll have the rear motor please..............Paul.....AND, Altho I drive nothing but Subaru;..4 in the last 10 Years. I think It's time to abandon the flat 4........I believe Mazda Engines are superior...............Paul, again
That's a dumb choice, I don't understand. That's a deal breaker for me. So, you have to buy an extra tire and keep it in your trunk in case you get a flat??
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Subaru had all sorts of problems integrating ahem *"regular electronics"* ahem which did not get fixed until the 2024 Model Year...but has been very much fixed true to say. Adding this system should help in creating a more feature rich driver assistance system in addition to adding an enormous amount of increased range from one gallon of gasoline. Solid car but the engine is underpowered now given the added weight and demands now😊😊
This is very good. It will assure Subaru will continue to make affordable and reliable cars for consumers around the globe.
They are gonna sell a lot of these 👍
How many will they build though? 🤷♂️ That's the million dollar question!
Hybrid is the future
The main reason why stay with the Subaru brand is the full time AWD system and if this hybrid keeps the Subaru symmetrical AWD I'm all in on Subaru's new hybrid. In reality this hybrid system is far superior to a present-day EV and has a smaller carbon footprint than present day EV's.
I've said it before; Im so happy that Subaru have kept the Boxer engine and AWD system as the heart & soul for its new hybrid range. I was worried they would go the route of all-Solterra type EV's, and completely lose the brands strengths and identity. Can't wait to see how the full reviews of the 2026 Crosstrek hybrids go, and I think that 'coming Iate to the party' has been a smart move...
Toyota is the number 1 in hybrid technology since the first prius came out 25 years ago greetings from southern Ontario Canada
The Subaru buyers buy their cars for the supreme performance of the permanent 4 wheel drive compared to the Rav4. It can never compete in efficiency with a 2 wheel drive with occasional 4 wheel drive. It goes against physics. It does what it supposed to do. It gives hunters, outdoors people and daily commuters what they need. A safe and good drive under adverse situations with snow, ice, rain, mud, gravel and sand. I think an gas reduction in between 25-30% is to be expected. This is what similar systems have given. With Toyota know how It's hopefully closer to 30% or just above. Then it good improvement.
Toyota, Subaru and Mazda are partners.....
i would personally not fill up such a large tank all the time for normal usage, only for long trips. the EV mode should definitely help in stalled traffic though
I thought the high power cord goes under the passenger seat to reduce affecs of EMF on the driver, at least i think that's how it is in the Prius? Unless you regularly have passengers in the passenger or back seats, it makes a lot of sense. With young people or kids any electrified vehicle is not recommended.
It may be the picture of Japanese version of Subaru Crosstrek so that would be the passenger side. In japan the steering wheel is on right (driver) and passenger seat is on left side.
Will Subaru’s boxer be an Atkinson cycle engine like other Hybrids??
I think so as Atkinson cycle is the core for all hybrid systems of all small cars ( including Toyota )
The system seems similar to Nissans. It has around 25% efficiency increase. The engine also works as an generator for the battery and it don't work on constant rpm it varys between 1000-4000rpm in the Nissan case. I think Subarus system will have a 25-30% efficiency increase tops.
It’s a Toyota Hybrid system which they will be using. Toyota owns 20 % of Subaru. But it will have a Subaru spin on it.
most important is the cvt.. is it still going to be the one that should be expected to need major service after 150G miles? Or is it going to be comparable to toyota's that is essentially problem free?
Planatery gears like prius.........Not really a CVT at all.......At least not the kind Everyone hates..........Paul
i believe its a eCVT and not a pure CVT. that being said the fluid has to be replaced every 60000 miles or so instead of 30000 miles. Maybe longer depending on usage
Is this similar to Nissam ePower concept where petrol engine only generates power for battery?
I love the 4WD capability I had a Subaru in Colorado. I love the unique H4 engine. Toyota hybrids are the best. Now they just need to hire an actual designer so the car doesn’t look like a 15 year old Mitsubishi in 2025 and they’ll have a winner on their hands.
Love My 25' red/black Crosstrek.............Paul
63L or 16.6 US gal is the same capacity fuel tank as the 2024 Crosstreks. Will they have to remove the spare tire to make room for the battery? It shouldn't be a really big battery necessarily.
It will be interesting to see if the engine coming on in series mode will happen smoothly, and also if it does come on at an annoyingly low throttle position/driver input demand. Hopefully that's the kind of thing that's already matured from Toyota's expertise.
The mock up they've been showing has no spare tire....
EVs are strictly for urban infrastructure paths when you don't mind not being able to charge for any reason. Went '24 CCH AWD with egress as aging senior. Nearly 80% EV mode time as that's the metric.
Will it have a CVT? How are the ICE and traction motors' powers combined?
planetary gear E-CVT , so no belt or chain or pulleys. Like a RAV 4 hybrid. Two electric motor-generator in the transmission, one is always driving the wheels, the other is work as generator-starter-gear ratio control for the combustion engine.
Thanks - sounds like a good choice.
This Subaru system sounds more complicated than Toyota’s. And it may be more efficient maybe in 2-5 years.
Based on 621 miles for a tank of fuel, this hybrid setup sux! You're only taking around 36mph! Heck, on my 2020 Forester, I already get 32 mpg.
Yeah it'd be like 38 mpg which is still amazing with a mechanical symmetric AWD, especially if that's the combined real-world mileage. But it'd be amazing if the engineers could aim for an efficiency of 40mpg+ with a smaller and more lightweight package of the crosstrek
@@andreii.6094you’re half correct, Toyota systems are still very much assisted by the electric portion of the drive train on the freeway, but the gas engine is on more often than city roads.
I have a 2023 and i average 25ish, 31ish on the hwy. So of i average 38 with a new hybrid, that's about 50% better
@@andreii.6094Don't forget unlike Toyota Subaru has a full fledged mechanical AWD that's more effective than Toyota AWD but less fuel efficient. Still i am curious to seemixed mode MPG
I had a 2014 Outback for 4 years, and finally got rid of it because it burned a quart of oil every 900~1200 miles right from the day I bought it. Everyone I've ever known who owned an Outback or Forester told me the same tale of woe - they all burn oil. Subaru doesn't seem to know how to build these boxer engines with piston rings and valve stem seals that can keep the oil from out of the combustion chamber. By the time they have 150K miles, they're often burning a quart of oil for every tank of gas, and at that point the catalytic converter is probably clogged with oil and the car thus won't pass a California Smog Check even if it's not yet making visible oil smoke.
I'm not sure if this Subaru mechanical powertrain is even relevant any more. Electric AWD systems have far less parasitic frictional loss in the rear axle when you don't actually need AWD, which is 95% of the time for most owners who live in cities and only occasionally take their car off-pavement. If you are talking about Hybrid cars, the computer that's controlling the electric motors can do traction control far more accurately in a modern electric drivetrain than it can in this 40 year old Subaru mechanical drivetrain. And fuel economy? My Rav4 Prime gets 45 mpg on a long road trip with it's 2.5 liter engine - my Outback got 25. This 2026 Hybrid Crosstrek probably will get better fuel economy than my non-Hybrid 2014 Outback, but probably not 45 mpg; not with that mechanical driveshaft powertrain and fluid-coupling powersplit device.
They do not ALL burn oil.......I've driven nothing but Subies since retireing 15 Years ago and NONE of them burned oil.......You have a personal problem...............Paul.......BUT...I'd rather have a computer controlled motor in the rear.......Electric Motors and computers just work well together..........I/E...........Look at the 4 motor Drones.......Could not fly without accurate computer control
Honda does hybrid really well but just won't commit to updating all its powertrains to offer hybrid options.
The first Gen hybrid Crosstrek was such a mild hybrid system that the ROI was nil. I will be surprised if this achieves anything close to the fuel economy of the Toyota (now also coming to Mazda) system. For starters, the Boxer engine is not as efficient as the Atkinson cycle engine in the Toyotas. Weight will be interesting, given retention of a mechanical AWD system. What might be better than other maker's hybrids is the performance of the AWD system. The question will then become, "How good do you need your AWD to be?". The slick deal with Atkinson Cycle in the Toyota is that the electric motors compensate for the inherent weakness in Atkinson Cycle engines, which is low end torque. At the higher end, Atkinson is more efficient than traditional ICE (Otto Cycle?). But, if these give the Subaru's a bit more grunt, maybe it will help, as their non-Turbo offerings have been tasked with powering increasingly heavy vehicles. The old 2.5 Boxer has been falling further behind every year. I took a "pass" this year on replacing my Forester XT with any Subaru and bought a Toyota instead. I always thought this would be a challenge for Subaru to pull off. On one hand, they've hung their hat on "Symmetrical AWD", but trying to maintain that level of AWD and tying it to a hybrid system is a challenge. From a few anecdotal headlines I've seen, the Toyota hybrid AWD isn't necessarily a great AWD system. BTW, the 63 liter gas tank is about 16.6 gallons. So, for a Crosstrek, that is pretty large.
Subaru has stated it won't have ideal efficiency for those reasons, but if they can make the gains significant enough over the standard model, and retain the symmetrical AWD, it should still be quite appealing.
The non hybrid has a 16.6 gals as well. Check your statistics. I own one and know of what I speak. 😊
i just hope they don't do away with the spare tire. That would be a show stopper.
They did.......Paul
I’ve read the Forester first in North America??? My dealer told me that as well.
When the new '25 Forester debuted, they said the hybrid would come "next year". So yes, it's possible!
I hope so.
That looks to be similar to the Honda hybrid system.
California spent millions on EV fire trucks......and there's no electric to charge them during these wildfires. Bless their hearts.
I think they should relocate the spare to under the hood.
Given the large front ends of the Subaru's with the boxer, that's not a terrible idea if they could figure it out.
That is where the Engine and inverter are....No more room.............Paul
Lithium ion battery rather than Toyotas nickel metal hydride. More power last longer. The engine a necessity to charging it is necessary. They do not recharge as easily they have longer lasting charge and more power. Add civil. Better yet
ReportedlyHonda use lithium metal oxide instead of LiFePo4 (source: Honda document available online, describing how first responders should disable high voltage circuitry in case of a major accident involving CR-V Hybrid). Batteries used by Toyota are bulky but no fire danger at all, at least, not in the battery. Regular Li-Ion are the most fire prone of all types of li-Ion batteries. Electric cars, as far as I understand, usually use LiFePo4 which are very unlikely to get into thermal runaway and catch fire. Why Honda would not use safer batteries, defeats me.
Atkinson cycle engine?
They haven't given any details on the engine other than the 158hp 154tq figures.
Most certainly. It is a Toyota hybrid using a Subaru engine. It needs to be Atkinson capable.
OTTO CYCLE probably !!!!
Is it that what you believe or have Subaru said all that?
The specs all come straight from Subaru (power, range, battery etc). They haven't given specifics on the operation of the hybrid system except to say the electric traction motor will provide the propulsion "in a wide range of situations". 👍
The Solterra has rear motor in lieu of drive shaft/still advertized "SYMETRICAL" and is reputed to be equal or better than Forester/Crosstrek...............I'll have the rear motor please..............Paul.....AND, Altho I drive nothing but Subaru;..4 in the last 10 Years. I think It's time to abandon the flat 4........I believe Mazda Engines are superior...............Paul, again
I've had two Outbacks but switched to a Hyundai EV. Subaru is getting too cozy with Toyota.
Good luck.
With hybrids who needs EVs. It's ridiculously illogical.
Relax, you're talking too fast😅😅
The video is sped up slightly 😎
It's TOYOTA (not Subaru) Hybrid System - you should inform yourself - Toyota OWES Subaru
It is called sharing technology. Toyota owns 20% of Subaru.
@@jimmuleta2985 Wrong - they owe 30% - maximum allowed in Japan ( I managed Toyota Division)
Looks like no spare tire? 👎
Probably not.
That's a dumb choice, I don't understand. That's a deal breaker for me. So, you have to buy an extra tire and keep it in your trunk in case you get a flat??
I listen to you looks like you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
Will these vehicles be good in hot weather here in FL?
Depends on how robust the cooling system is for the battery pack. Hopefully we will find out more info on stuff like this soon.