Assorted Darksiders Lore: Horsemen's Super Forms & Abraxis
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- Join True Masters & Morons as we go over the super modes available to each(?) of the four horsemen, as well as the demon lord Abraxis.
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Death’s Reaper is still my favorite of the super forms with fury coming up second.
Anarchy the best now
Correct. Mine too.
He is literally the most intimidating of all the deaths we have seen in any form of media.
Castlevania Animes depiction of Death cutting a close 2nd.
@@darkslayer1161 what? LoL Castlevania anime death was shit
@@Papa_Straight I'm saying design wise. Not fight wise.
Darksiders 3 was tooooo short
Darksiders 2 is by far my favorite game because it's really long
genesis is even shorter from the day i installed it on my ps4 it only took 9 days most of those days i didnt play it it only has 16 chapters with about 5 of them being boss stages it will take longer to find the right way to get around the areas to finish the chapters since the map doesnt actually show you where you are it only highlights the area around you and doesnt show you where you need to go so you will end up going in circles it shows you where collectables are on the map but not in relation to where you are making them too easy to miss in the first area i explored everywhere i could and somehow i ended up missing most of the stuff also the isometric perspective makes platforming almost impossible since you never really know if you are going to land a jump i like genesis though but mainly because of strife the refernces to war losing his arm and the introduction of lucifer and finally because darksiders is one of those franchises that manages to keep its world and story interesting with each new game adding to it in one way or another thing about genesis is that the story constantly hypes up lucifer even after you kill moloch samael opens the door to lucifer and the dialouge makes you think that he is going to be the real final boss since everything you have done has involved hunting him down and foiling his plans while taking down the demon masters that he is using as his pawns even moloch when you pass through the portal though all that actually happens is a cutscene that shows lucifer talking to strife and war about how he gave humanity a purpose while corrupting them and we are show exactly where the 7 seals came from as well as a glimpse of the council before they turned evil after this the game just ends no fight with lucifer no chance to save humanty from corruption
And it has a looooot of lote and replayability
Another reason why I say the super forms are inherent is Death using his super form seemingly casually without transforming(with various attacks and literally death opening just about every door in the game xD)
A friend of mine finds that so ridiculous, he asked if Death is using his hands also to wipe his ass.^^
@@aureliodeprimus8018 Presumably Death doesn't need to consume food and thus expunge waste product. He seems to gain sustenance purely through killing, or is just immortal/self-sufficient.
Correct
Another example is War still being able to activate chaos form even despite not being gifted power by the council in Darksiders 1.
If the Super Forms are inherent from their race, it would make sense.
Considering they are hybrids of Demon and Angel, their forms usually fall Into one of two of those categories when it comes to appearance. As one of my friends once put it, War and Fury seem to embrace their Demon sides more, meanwhile Death (and presumably Strife too) embrace their Angel sides.
No technically war and fury have Angel like features with their beauty unlike strife and death who have more demonic appearance
I agree it's the other way around war and fury are more aingelic and act more superior while death and strife accept the fact the truth and hence their firms aswell
Can we appreciate the fact that they make the additional effort of putting the mentioned quotes and texts from the game to the front and center of the screen? Not many people do that and it shows how much they like making these videos, despite living in two different places, which must be a fuss to coordinate.
Strife's transformation is actually out there now. One of the E3 previews/demo videos for Genesis has him using it.
It's also not on fire like Fury and War's.
Can you give us a link?
nvm found it (watch?v=Yj7nkE9Zgds)
the quality is bad tho
Search E3 Preview - Darksiders Genesis. If you skip to the boss fight you will see they player use Strife's form and War's Chaos form against Demon Lors Mammon. The gameplay is very clear since it's not recorded with a camera
ruclips.net/video/4IYeCnfr4lk/видео.html
Death is one of the first gen nephilim while the other horsemen come from the later generations so that might also play into why their super forms are different.
Darksiders Genesis reveals that it’s inherit.
Samael “unlocks” the ability for Strife and War.
Also Death can conjure a ghost projection of his super form to do things for him like open chests and doors.
Fury's Havoc form has inverted wings aka Demonic Wings.
Death's Reaper form has the normal going down wings that may or may not be angel wings and he clearly looks like the depction of an Angel of Death haha.
Wars Chaos form has a very demonic like appearance but in his case he does have the normal Angel like wings, pointing down... idk if thats a design flaw that they forgot or if it means something!
Some "Cutscenes" also show Demons with non inverted wings...
Like the one showing the truce between Heaven and Hell.
I truly love the design choice of making Demonic Wings be inverted with it being like a reflection of Heaven and how a inverted cross is a symbolic thing aswell but goddamn does it seems to be disregarded sometimes making everything confusing...
ruclips.net/video/4IYeCnfr4lk/видео.html Strife doesn't have wings tho
@@2D_Stranger He might if he Transforms. We don't know yet.
Maybe War's wings pointing downwards is meant to be showing of his Angelic side. Remember, the Nephilim are both angel and demon. His wings pointing down may come from his Angelic side.
@@kin4386 the link i commented at 15:55 is the ultimate form. No wings, just a tail on his back that he uses for sweep attacks
@@2D_Stranger Yeah I saw pretty much immediately after I commented that. My bad man. xD Very interesting design choice though. I would've thought he took on a more Angelic looking form with a bow or something. Maybe as tribute to Conquest, the Horseman he replaces. I would've preferred that, but what they went with is definitely unique. With that huge tail and minigun for an arm. And you're right. No wings huh? Strange.
You were incorrect about Fury being the only one to use only her primary weapon throughout her game, at least from a lore perspective if not mechanical. While Death does seem to pick up and use weapons dropped in-game, in the lore that is explained as Harvester "learning new forms" by fighting different enemies. When Death switches from scythes to a hammer or glaive, what is actually happening is Harvester is shape-shifting into that hammer or glaive form, rather than it actually being a weapon Death found. This is evidenced by the fact that in DS2 you can swap equipped weapons with those in your inventory during combat with the game pausing while you choose. This is meant to simulate Death giving Harvester a telepathic command to take the form of a weapon that he desires, and Harvester obeying. Just a minor correction. :)
Here's a #ThoughtForTheDay:
In the Darksiders universe, was the Horseman Death named after the concept? Or was the human concept named after Death The Horseman, seeing how he is "The Reaper"?
Furthermore, if the human concept of death was named after him, does this mean that the word/name "Death" means something else entirely in another language of the Nephilim? If so, what? Did Death, in fact, have an entirely different, Nephilim name before he became one of the Horseman, and the Council simply re-named him?
So many questions, I'm sorry
Definitely didn't have a name before Death, as far as lore goes. In the game, Absolom calls Death that name from before Eden had fallen, iirc. Like, this is coming before humanity's time on Earth. So... either Death changed his name sometime before we've ever seen him, or that's his original name.
I think it would make sense if Death is the source of the human idea of the Grimm reaper. From the sound of it, humanity did live on Eden for a brief period of time before the Nephilim invaded and ruined the place. Which actually makes sense since Eden plays such a major role in Christianity, or even just the idea of some sort of ideal place that ancient man lived in but then was forced out of in one way or another does pop up in various myths across the world in some form. The idea those stories could actually be ancient history passed down orally by humanity for generations, being somewhat warped and misremembered due to the sheer weight of time, cultural filters, and the fact the people who actually witnessed it happen were possibly so primitive they had no damned way of even beginning to understand what the hell was going on, actually sort of matches up with real life.
Ever hear of the Pleiades? It’s a group of seven stars that you can find used in various myths across the world, for example in Greek Mythology they are considered seven sisters (usually some form of divine being, depends on which version you’re looking at), one of which is missing or has been lost in some way. Thing is, nowadays if you look at them, only six are actually visible, and that has been the case for a very, very long time, as in before recorded human history, long time. In short even if complicated civilization as we understand it, didn’t technically exist that far back people were still noticing stuff like this and trying to understand it. Meaning even if our historical records don’t go that far back, our cultural memory has maintained some degree of knowledge. So the idea that, in this universe, ancient humanity saw Death raising hell in his Reaper form during the battle in Eden, and thought he was some sort of embodiment of the concept, possibly even hearing his name mentioned once or twice and that becoming some sort of root word for death in whatever early language they had, actually makes a degree of sense.
Chaos Form looks like a Balrog :P And I vote Marauder Form as a name for Strife's, but I'm sure I'll be happy with whatever they choose.
Interesting note: Havoc Shards are the result of demonic possession of angels, and the consumable War uses to charge his Chaos meter is called "Possession." I also think it's interesting that Death is the only one who demonstrates an ability to activate his form for brief periods even when he doesn't have Reaper energy. Perhaps because he's a Firstborn?
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It should be noted that while Fury's Havoc form makes her immune to all damage and passively recovers health. Her Havoc form also acts like a shield for damage, losing time for Havoc form proportional to the amount of damage she would take which is different to her brothers' forms. Also I don't remember if its the same for her brothers but when you cancel for form early she keeps any remaining time she would have had in Havoc.
only fury's remain if you cancel
Note:
If you use chaos form against abbadon
He can cancel it with one hit
So war cant be immortal or immune to damage with chaos form
And death's form deplets faster than his brothers
The best one (sadly) being fury's havoc form
However
Im pumped for my man's (strife) super form
one theory i saw was that the super forms were originally granted by the council, however the horsemen later learned to tap into it on there own without the councils power. that and the reason war could sustain it indefinitely at the start was because he was riding after the destruction of the seals.
Apparently the glow is their own, because Strife's superform on Genesis does not glow even while in service of the council
Do an updated video with Strife's form, and how apparently Samael initially told them how to unlock the forms by tapping into their inner natures.
Nice. Hopefully Strife has some sort of form as well. Course if he doesn't it might be another explanation as to why he drives his members nuts more often than not.
He does, some demo gameplay videos show his ultimate form.
Nice.
I just now realized there was a typo there.
Meant to say FAMILY members in that comment.
*facepalm*
Thank you for giving a proper explanation as to why death's ult looks different to the other two
Death and Strife are seemingly similar in terms of their super form having physical without aura form.
While Fury and War are seemingly similar by having fiery aura to their entire body.
However. Fury, War and Strife's transform while having fiery aura unleash and cause AOE explosion and only Death has purple smokes came out from his body and has a smooth transformation which is also silent.
my opinion is that, War, Fury and Strife transformation has AOE is due to the state of their transformation name.
Chaos as it sounds like, *plunging into chaos*
Havoc is as it sounds like as well, *wreak havoc*
Anarchy... well like how it sounds like too, *falls into the state of anarchy* .
all 3 of them caused unending sounds of misery and screaming.
While Reaper is soundless as it has always been said that *the dead is always silence* like how it *silent eerily at the cemetery* .
well... That's just my opinion why their Super Form represents on...
Id reckon the super forms aren't inherent but they are still useable despite not being on that "Council's super juice". They probably permanently have the power after becoming the horseman and council missions just allow the horseman more power to maintain their super forms. Id also say its fair to say the breaking of the seventh seal summons the horseman at their maximum power which would allow unlimited super forms whenever the horsemen choose to use it among other powers.
Death is the oldest and most powerful horseman so its natural he has a ton more stamina with his form while not being currently enhanced by the council
"I'm no one's 'lady'!"
I think the reason Death's Reaper form is so different from the others is probably because he's stronger, older, and more experience and skilled. Therefore I believe that he has somewhat perfected his Super form, unlike his siblings, in my opinion War and Fury's super forms look kinda formless and unfinished. Like a painting without a canvas.
What do you all think?
The way I’ve always understood it is that the super forms of the Horsemen is that they are the forms of the blights that the Horsemen embody, which only began once they made the deal with the council. Which would make them the Horsemen’s true forms.
I think this because at the beginning of game 1, War has unlimited access to this form until the Council start to interfere and it becomes restricted. The apocalypse is the ultimate Council-sanctioned mission. The apocalypse starts and War rides, with access to his full power. Then the Council are like “hold up, this ain’t right” and they in-sanction the apocalypse mission because it’s happening at the wrong time.
On the other hand, Fury is on a fully-sanctioned mission and still only had limited access to her Havoc form. At no point do we get unlimited Havoc.
So what I believe is that the Horsemen, being the embodiment of the things they share names with, have baseline access to those forms for any purpose at will. But when they ride to earth for the apocalypse, they are meant to bring those things that they embody in full force and therefore get unlimited access to those forms.
And I also don’t think they’re something the nephilim have naturally because the nephilim needed to create the grand abominations to ensure their strength. If they all had forms like these naturally, they’d be unstoppable without crafted weapons.
They didn't need those weapons. They just wanted them. They were building on power as an army naturally does.
Anthony Forbes No, in The Abomination Vault we are told that they absolutely needed those weapons. That’s why their literal first move was to attack the Ravaiim and create them. They couldn’t risk alerting the universe to their army as a threat until they had enough power that they couldn’t be defeated.
Alright guys, I have a few more suggestions but I'll keep going one at a time! What about some lore on the fallout universe? Like, The Master
Please do a Darksiders genises
"flavor text"? "mana pool"? I'm sensing someone plays mtg.
Really appreciate the content 🙏
Death´s Reaper Form is so far the only form, that can Level Up.
Could you guys do a lore on Alduin from Skyrim ?
I assume Strife gets a gatling gun and just mows down Enemys.
Prehaps super form was initially given by the council, but then they learned how to use them on theyr own ._.
Maby Fury and War have Demon form when Death and Strife have Angel form and this is a reazon why Fury and War super form burn. In fact, they are sons and douther of Angels and Demons. I can be wrong.
Could you guys please do a Lore vid on Luka Redgrave AKA Cheshire from the Bayonetta series?
In the clips they showed. War is not immune from all damage. The super forms greatly lessen damage.
You forgot to mention the fact that Abbadon was able to take War out of his Chaos Form.
thanks for the video guys if you guys do kingdom hearts lore vids make sure you guys are ready to do hours upon hours of research the series has a reputation for being confusing it makes sense if you keep up with it though
we need more lore update with the newly released darksiders genesis
You made this video two days to early lol! Strifes Super Mode was revealed in one of the beta playthroughs not to long ago
We looked it up, after people told us, and we literally recorded it the day that some of those came out, it's made us more particular about double checking things afterword, lol
8:36 The lord of hollows was being sarcastic, he never intended to hollow the earth given that he actually cares for humanity, and if he did hollow it he would not only kill the humans that are still alive, but any chance of the race returning to their home
In the case if death he is the most agile and his combat mainly focuses on speed he could also be compared to an assassin and has assassin like combat style
I felt that Fury's Super form could have been better
Please do a new video about the horseman super forms
strife's super mode is called anarchy
Strife is anarchy mode
furys form looks like a elden ring boss
Which we saw more of Abraxis
Please cover Deviljho, you guys would do him justice in terms of covering all games.
So we did a let's play hunt of Deviljho cause there isn't enough information to do a lore on him. But we do talk about him as much as possible and fight him. As well as credit you with the idea. :) Hope you enjoy.
ruclips.net/video/nIeCDnyX9-E/видео.html
Imagine if darksiders an GoW combined I could make the most op choas form for loki his first form would be him turning in a werewolf hybrid then I’d allow the horsemen to combine their chaos form with their horse an sin for a whole new form so let’s sit an think about this the sin I’d give him Is fake envy an the horse would be pegusus
In this video you can see Strife ultimate form. ruclips.net/video/4IYeCnfr4lk/видео.html
but in darksiders 2 isnt death able to go into his form without the councils knowledge nor without his power
What I wanna know is who made all of the horsemen's weapons...I know the mad smith mad fury's whip but what about deaths scythe, wars sword and the pistols of strife...?
Here is everything we know about the weapons. :) As well as Vulgrim.
ruclips.net/video/pup5L-I_aq4/видео.html
Strife's Super for Is called Anarchy Form......
in my opinion i think the council made their forms stronger but giving them a limited time of use
A developer actually made a comment after we posted this video. Apparently the super modes expressly come from the Council.
Didn't the Lord of Hollows say, immediately after the "a demon speaking true" part, that "Abraxis did not (speak true)"?
Strife Havoc form
0:28 Are you sure about that?
ruclips.net/video/dVQky8-7MAs/видео.html
*Of the link **7:57*
Ya, we missed that those had come out, thank you!
Has the darksiders runes and symbols been translated or anything? I've looked everywhere. Just curious if you guys knew what it was based off of?
To the best of our knowledge there are no translations for the symbols anywhere unfortunately no. And if they're based upon any pre-existing language we're unaware of it.
@@TrueMastersandMorons thanks I'm still researching it would love to find out. I'll let you guys know if i do. Keep up the good work!
so where did you add strife?
please do a lore video on asura from asura's wrath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still... Darksiders 1 is the best in the series everything about it is perfect.
What are the soul chests in Darksiders 1 and 2
Uuuuuh... Chests? As far as we can tell it was just the creators wanting a way to give the players allot of souls to buy upgrades, and they were like "Hey chests are things in most games, So here are some chests" They just replaced soul chests with those floating lurcher orb things. :)
@@TrueMastersandMorons Thank you I had a sneaking suspicion that that was the case, but I was unsure if there was lore. Also thanks for responding to your fanbase, love your vids.
Death can hover not fly there’s a difference
if he was flying would have to have wings 10 times bigger than him and even if he could fly he actually has the build up height in order to cover a different heights take the guardian fight for example he can’t just summon his reperform down at the guardians feet and expect him to like float up there no he actually has to climb up their float an attack that’s how it works
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Guys, you are doing too much process on "VIDEO GAME LOGIC".