The fact 343 is named as a references to 343 guilty spark. A Character that acts like a friend, ally, and pretends to care about you. But in the end the twist is he actually doesn't really care about you, just has its own interests in mind and in the end tried to kill you. Ya that doesn't sound ironic with how 343 has been to halo and its fans. Not saying I called it years ago, but I always had a really weird feeling with the naming of the company.
People have been talking about that coincidence since they formed 343. But back then it was questioned why did they name their company after something that kill someone we loved (SGT. Johnson) And now 343 is killing something that we love....Halo. it was always a strange thing back then but when Halo 4 came out, it was damn near prophetic....
This is the first time that I know of where someone else has said that. I thought it was a huge red flag and just out of place away back in their origin when they were announced as "343.." blah blah. It's poetic in a fucky kinda way
Dude, they made 3 games, several books and an entire TV show based on a misinformed game of telephone by Frank O'Connor regarding the entirety of Halo's plot. They do not know who 343 is beyond "cute blue robot ball".
@@HailAzathoth It doesn't really matter anyway, in Halo 3 guilty spark literally says "you are forerunner" to master chief, it's pretty cut and dry that during bungies games humans were the same race as forerunners but 343i retconned it
not a Halo fan here but an old gamer, i never understood the "bungie fan boy" thing. from what i gathered over the years, bungie/original developers of Halo. never had a bad game and always aimed to break ground with every new main series instalment. you know what i keep hearing, how every game post bungie is at best mediocre and at worst are broken and worst in terms of lore and story too. it's not about fanboyism it's about how the games are legitimately bad and the new developers not able to meet the previous studio standard.
I feel the same way. I've never understood the term "Bungie fanboy". Tf does that even mean? Me accepting that bungie made some kickass halo games and 343 hasn't makes me a fanboy?
I’ll never forget making a post on the Halo subreddit pointing out that 343 lied about battle pass content only being earned through gameplay. You could just pay to unlock the whole thing aka not through gameplay. It was quickly getting tons of upvotes and comments, people agreeing it was shady bullshit. But because this was at the height of Infinite cope and denial, the thread was locked and labeled as “misleading/misinformation”. I’m still salty about it lol
Yup when you don't get censored outright you have to confront the parallel reality they create for themselves. I still use it too as a stand-in for forums...
@@NKWittmann Reddit is good as long as you avoid the stuff where Reddit culture is strongest. It's great as a one-stop shop for all your hobbies' forums, but the Halo subreddit is just awful. Mostly because of one specific mod who is the biggest 343 dicksucker on the planet - he auto-removes any posts that link to videos like this that are negative about 343 Halo.
Halo follower is honestly the worst of the bunch. Act man and hiddenxperia both were definately taking the copium. But when the truth stared them in the face, they acknowledged it.
@@chuck11duck64 Way back during Halo 5's pre-release HaloFollower was dumb enough to violate NDA to make hype videos. So ironically I think he's overcompensating because 343 punished him for a while after that incident.
It was funny when 343 after the layoffs went out and stated that they would still be working on making Halo games, and the reaction from the fans was not cheering, but an "Oh..."
I’m so glad you showed clips of mintblitz, yes he’s one of the best most creative halo players, but he’s an absolute shill of 343. Literally makes a video with exclamation marks trying to revive halo infinite saying “Look! 343 responded!” Or “343 finally listened! We are getting this!” And it’s like one bug that’s fixed or an armour colour unlocked…
He's not a creative Halo player. He purposefully boycotted, with others, to change the "SBMM" of Halo into this non-skill based formula, and requests them to continue to do so. Halo's SBMM in classic days was ungodly strict; If you were a 30, you couldn't match above or below 27 - 33. If you were a 50, you couldn't match outside of 40's - 50's, and that even includes in the unranked playlists. This is why multiple people had numerous accounts. In Halo Infinite, an onyx 2000, aka MintBlitz, can match a Silver 1 who has 13 games played total of Halo. Yet, this guy argues that it's still "too strict". Almost all of his clips are him getting it on nigelthornberry6969 who never played Halo before in their life; And this is directly because the Halo Community has soooo much leverage in in Halo Infinite's development and design. A large problem isn't that he "shills" for 343, it's that 343 shills for him and countless others. Both of which is a net negative; But it's simply that his "criticism" usually is him seeing his insecurity being pushed out and utilizing it as a method of saying "this needs fixed or added". Every video of his is "can't believe 343 broke this and did this" and 4 days later "look 343 finally fixed it!!", where it essentially breaks the video game for 99% of players because "his" community (of 2,000 people) believe that is "really" Halo. FYI: Almost all of his videos regarding "armor" have nothing to do with colors. it's all, 100%, due to "lore based affiliation of per-armor-piece customization across different strategically crafted uniquely designed cores"; all of which shouldn't even be in Halo Infinite's Multiplayer since Halo's multiplayer is not about armor or lore.
I will never understand how someone with that much spatial intelligence and ability to critically analyze and jailbreak game systems is such an uncritical, low IQ NPC in every other respect. Straight up bug brain. I feel like he doesn't have a soul, he's like a human computer.
“You just had to be there.” Hits hard 😢. I was and I cherish it. Feel so bad for the younger generation that only have this hellscape of micro transactions, unfinished buggy messes, awful storytelling, and evil corporate suits ruining franchises.
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 I’m glad, isn’t there beauty in the simplicity of old games? I find it comforting and can spend hours playing old console games like N64, PS1, PS2, 360, etc.
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 This. There would be so much less toxicity/ resentment out of the newer gen Halo fans if they realized this. They could build those memories the older fans had at any time by grabbing a used Xbox or 360 and running some all nighter co op, split screen slayer or even a LAN party with some snacks and beverages. And that is another reason why us "old heads" love the Bungie games bc you can do that at any time, without worrying about the servers shut down or an online player base moving on.
Honestly only good thing for them is fortnite. Kinda pops as ive been playing recently. When i said i didnt play people born in 07/06 were like but its free. That seems to be the vibe these days
Infinite is the worst title they could have picked I always wonder what the F it is even supposed to mean it doesn't even make sense that infinite is even in the title like what's the meaning behind it they just picked it sounds like and anime to me lol
@@AncientTechnik5148 They probably thought infinite would be like GTA V is for rockstar and be a cashcow for the next decade. Just shows you how out of touch the company was from reality.
1000% agree with your section on the community. They're the prime example of toxic positivity. A solid DECADE of 343 fuckups is not enough in their eyes, taking a GIANT of gaming and turning it into in irrelevant title that barely 3000 people play, is not enough to say that they should have the IP taken away from them. Zero members of 343 deserve to stay. It should be ripped away from every single one of them.
You either missed the part of the discussion where he blames the community for 343's fuckups, or didn't understand that he's claiming the community is in large part to blame for why 343 does the things they do. Nevertheless, I did not agree with his "take away halo from 343 and kill the franchise". As a 40-something year old, I don't want to see Halo die when Halo Infinite is the closest to Halo we've gotten since 2007. The problem is the community influence on the game from 2020 and onward has entirely turned this game into a clone of "other games", trying so hard to be 'something that is not halo" more than it is Halo. And the community continuously does the same tropes. "343 did it guys, they fixed it" "343 really screwed up, fire 343" "343 fixed it guys we did it" "why 343 is so out of touch with the community" It's the same cycle. They pretend that what they want is what "the players" want. When they get it, and people perceive it poorly, they shift the blame onto 343. And 343 has done this since 2010. They keep doing this. They stopped in 2018 with Greenskull being the last community creator they worked with...and then in 2020 - 2021 they started right back up again with the Forerunners. 343's major problem is they take this attributed "community" and they use "their ideas" to "better the game". It's equally like saying "We hire people that hate the game to improve it", as the feedback is to take people that distinctively look to "change the game for their better". And that's the problem with the community -- they're the same as hiring people that hate the game. Now don't just take my word for it. Halo CE, the strongest most versatile weapon is the Pistol. Halo 2 and Halo 3, the strongest and most versatile weapon is the BR. This "is" definitively Halo. This "is" the balance of Halo. The exact same people would and will argue that Halo's original trilogy sandbox is "imbalanced" and "should really favor this rather than that instead". Or claim that the games shouldn't be "one gun games", or my favorite: "But it's so boring to see and only play with one weapon". This "is" the community. And the large part of why 343 fails time, and time again, is this compromise they keep doing "with" the community.
Tbh, "live-service" games are dying as since Fortnite is here back in late 2017, publishers keep hijacking the aforementioned term to milk more money by shore horning the item store, battle passes, and seasons into a game that doesn't need that even if paid items are purely cosmetic (remember, cosmetics does matter) Also, your comment now have 69 likes
@@Pyromaniac77777 young kids are way worse than they used to be. Can't hurt their feelings so mom and dad break out the card. My dad would have told me to fuck off and go mow some yards around the neighborhood. So I did, and bought everything myself
@@andrigunawan5691 at least Fortnite actually delivers on polished new content and has a lot of community features like old Halo used to have, as much as we all like to meme about Fortnite it undeniably pulled off the free to play model far better than most games and was actually able to engage the community in their games.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 all games property of epic games (Rocket League, Fortnite, Fall Guys) are honestly pretty decent, because even if you don't pay, you can get pretty great stuff (specially in RL, it really seems like I've paid for the drip I've got lol) and get content really consistently
I’m glad you mentioned how scummy the 343 employees were towards fans. I’ve never seen a developer hate it’s own audience more than 343 does with the amount of lying and gaslighting they did
I can't fathom how folks think they can run studios like this. It's one thing to be confident to your product and direction to the point of being a bit cocky, but doing what 343i, DICE and current-year Volition are doing? It just amplifies the backlash to bad decisions to nuclear levels. There is a good reason why big chunk of Saints Row and Battlefield fans are celebrating the latest games in the franchises flopping - and ain't 'toxic fans'.
Well some people did hire people that hate halo to work on halo I don't know why or what were they smoking back then ,witch would answers why they hate the fans.
They completely lie to and alienate their audience, and then wonder where the backlash is coming from. Literally all gamers want out of a game is what was promised on the tin, which appears to be something most Triple A companies are too incompetent to deliver on. In no other industry I can think of, do you pay full price for something, just to get it in parts over the course of years. Give corporate less weight in development, and release the thing when its finished, it isn't rocket science, jesus.
He wasn't the only one who called the Halo Content Creators out. Look up a guy named xGLLx he calls out the content creators and Halo Infinite for years and got attacked for it.
I can't overstate how cathartic it was listening to him call them and the community out with such passion. I genuinely have no idea how so many others don't seem to notice what's been going on for over a decade. Halo fans unfortunately not only take more crap than any other fanbase that I can think of, but they defend it with a zealot like fervor.
Imagine how it feels for the ones that played the originals but still want to have a good relationship with 343, and make videos about the smallest little changes they make or “promises” they say they will make. It must be like saying “good news, the husband who beats me every day and lies to me said he would quit drinking in the future! I’m so proud of him!” Why do they debase themselves like this? Looking at you ActMan and MintBlitz
It's honestly worse than the recent Tarkov drama and how those content creators have gone about it. And that has to do with a vid exposing the extent of cheaters in the game.
I'm glad this guy called out the shills in the Halotuber community. I remember feeling hopeful when there started to be vocal critics after Halo 5, among them Act Man, LNG, and Hidden Xperia. Act Man struck it huge and mostly branched out from Halo, but LNG and Hidden Xperia were compromised and it was clear as day when they were no longer their harsh Halo 5 selves with the lousy content we got for Infinite. At least Act Man had the decency to take the mask off, stop pulling his punches, and admit he was doing it early on because he was hoping the game would take off and recover Halo's reputation.
@@brentreimer6411 He so far has been consistent with not revisiting Infinite, even if he was disingenuous for some indeterminate years between his Halo 5 magnum opus and Infinite's release. I'm glad he even had the balls to revisit Halo 5 purely to shit on its campaign, because that was when I knew the old Act Man who would actually call out 343 was back.
I feel like it is a constant problem with nearly every fandom at this point. The example I will always use is the game Outriders, I liked the game, BUT for 3 fucking days after the game came out you just couldn't play it AT ALL because it was online only. I couldn't even play it single player, but then I go on twitter or reddit and people are going "the devs are twing their best, pwease don't me meanies." People spent $60 on a drink coaster because it wasn't a game at all until multiple days after release by a 'feature' that shouldn't even exist and actively made it a worse game while providing no benefit to you, as the consumer, at all.
@@perrytran9504 ActMan is the worst of them all just because you think he somehow pulled out at the right moment. He is a corporate shill just like almost all of these content creators on corporatetube.
It has slowly and painfully dawned on me that the "Halo Fandom" now has become what the "Sonic Fandom" became. Just... hoping and coping and surviving off of scraps of nostalgia and rose-tinted goggles, slurping up whatever low-effort slurry is pumped out into their feeding troughs.
@@jaypostromboli-jpgamertv-457 I think one of the other advantages Sonic has is that even when things aren't looking good on the company side of things there is usually at least something fans can point to and say "hey, at least someone in the company is still passionate/has good ideas/truly cares." Just look at all the excitement around Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, or the IDW comics, or even the Sonic Boom cartoon. Sonic also has a thriving fan creation community which Sonic Team has been pretty openly supportive of. Halo doesn't really have anything on the same level right now.
C'mon that's unfair, Sonic fans weren't anywhere near this delusional when Forces released, everyone shat on that fucking game, and at least while Sega's output might be mostly underwhelming there's a whole section of the fandom making interesting fan games rather than crying about the state of the franchise and drown in copium gaslighting people into believing that the next game is the one, Sonic is back.
You are absolutely right. After Adventure 2, and ESPECIALLY after the 06 disaster, every Sonic game existed to chase trends and poorly replicate a surface-level misconception of Sonic's original game design, to the point where no one even knows what Sonic was about when it was conceived. Even if the production value was marginally adequate, it doesn't change the fact that Sonic hasn't really been Sonic for years. It's just a shitty imitation. A skinwalker.
All because of Frank O Conner, sure you can say there were other people at Bungie that had the same ideas as frank o Conner but frank was the most vocal and was the one that ended up in charge at the end of the day and ended up ruining the forerunners by making them a separate species and hiring a author to write that awful forerunner trilogy novel.
@@ano_nym YEAH I know about that, that is such a dumb retcon by him, like he ruined the whole canon by making forerunners and humanity separate species but then turns out 343 guilty spark is a caveman
As if part 1 wasn't savage enough. This is truly the definitive video on 343 and their vile influence on this franchise (alongside Sabertooth's video on how 343 annihilated the beautiful story of Halo). Fantastic work, my man; you managed to articulate my thoughts and feelings on this subject with great efficiency.
Yeah idk why they retconned that. I learned about the forerunner shit a month or so ago (im a long time halo fan but didn’t/want old enough to fully understand the lore till I was older I.e when 343 was fully steering the ship) so when I found out the forerunners were actually meant to be humans and not some other species I was like :/, that sounds so much more interesting then having them be this completely different species that had it out for humanity but also gave us access to all their shit… and the mantle of responsibility stuff
Well here it is, the culmination of my thoughts towards Infinite, and 343 I've probably burnt a few bridges with this video, which is hilarious because I literally cut out some even meaner more spiteful parts through editing. Honestly I think this is gonna be my last 343-Halo video. I know you guys want me to do Halo 5, which honestly would just be me repeating what a lot of other people have made videos about. To me I think Halo is good and buried, and the end of this video is a testament to that. Either way, I hope you enjoy, bros
You should have noted that 343 managed to do a modern day crucification of a bungie era dev by making him do the apology tour instead of the main heads who were responsible in the first place. No wonder Joe left as soon as the window opened by a inch.
@@thedivide9559 I mean I was never really a big Halo player even tho I played my Xbox all the time I played some of them, but it shouldn't be a surprise that Halo is not good anymore since bungie is not making it any more. Now you could say well call of duty is still made by the same developers and battlefield is still made by the same developers and they been trash for years now
That segment on the community had to be said. This game is a fucking joke, 343 are stupid and/or malicious, and the people still propagating apologia for either deserve ridicule. As much as I like some of them.
That entire ending chapter, I feel like for us Halo Veterans, felt like, closure, in a way. The music, the old maps, the flashbacks... Yeah, you just had to be there.
The Gravemind could hold 343 fans with it's tentacles , pull out a copy of Halo Infinite and say "now this is a monument to all of your sins!"... funniest part: 343 fans likely wouldn't know what a Gravemind is, they have never seen the Flood.
Your criticisms against the 343 sycophants describes just about all the new "fans" of just about every entertainment industry. You see these troglodytes throughout comics with the advent of the MCU. You see it in just about every new show about an established property, the Witcher show, Willow, Rings of power, Velma, etc. This stuff is par for the course these days and the same pattern emerges every time. The result is always the slow death of the IP.
I'm 24, I have no idea where these people even cropped up from. It's like they just came out of the dirt one day and started sharing L takes on social media.
"We're surrounded by Deepfake movies. Movies that nobody really wants, and nobody really wants to make either. They don't feel human, because they're NOT movies for humans. They're content, made by and for algorithms. It's only natural that they wouldn't feel... alive." - So Uncivilized
@@cooljim1376 I'm nearly 40, I saw them slowly creeping in. A few of us rang the bells, we were ignored. Then suddenly it was like the flood gates opened and they started pouring out.
I think it's religious minded people who have lived all their lives without a proper religion, so their inclination towards faith manifests itself in a fandom. Another thing we see recently popping up is how these companies blame their customers for their own failings. It's a very immature and narcissistic attitude. I think this is partly a result of a generation that grew up with social media and two working (ie. partly absent) parents. Just imagine how bad it's going to get when the TikTok generation enters the work force. Also, you could say that the Halo RUclipsrs mistake being nice for being good, but I think it's more a case of them having a symbiotic relationship with 343i.
And before more comments flood in here, don't even think about dragging my boi Acting Male through the mud. I've seen people here saying he is a 343 fanboy but I'm gonna need some sources on that one, bubs. I've been watching his videos for a few years now and I have not seen him blindly praise 343 (and no, feeling excited and hopeful about Infinite maybe learning from 4/5's mistakes for the initial launch is not blind praise, it's called having a heart and feeling joyful about a past favorite media/franchise returning, and being gobsmacked by the possibilities like everyone reading this did at least once did as a child, unless you've been a walking tragedy from the start I guess), and the praise I see him giving to Halo is mostly, if not entirely, directed at Bungie's original entries. Call out hypocrisy for sure though, it's best to shine light on deceit when it benefits us all to see market conditions improve. No matter who's doing it. And if you have good-faith criticism for the acting guy I'm confident he'd take it in good stride as he has in the past.
I wouldn’t call Actman a Halo RUclipsr. I don’t like his content but I’m not lumping him in with the Halo RUclips community. He started with halo sure, but he has a diverse catalog of content and he reviews tons of different games.
@@lilbubz2803 Oh, I wasn't directing it at you at all. "Bubs" was just a term a friend of mine uses sometimes for light comedic effect so I picked up the habit a bit myself recently. Just to clear that up. :) Didn't even notice "bubz" is in your username until just now honestly. And no, he's not Halo-exclusive, for sure. He's definitely a big fan though, I was moreso commentating on the people criticizing him being excited about Infinite to start, after they showed improvements over the initial gameplay showcase; this is despite him later feeling a lot more sour after some more time passed and it was made clear 343 wouldn't or couldn't make Infinite live up to what fans hoped or half-hoped for.
I left three other gaming communities because I couldn't stand the "influencers" and "fans" fanatically defending awful launches, cut content, shitty mechanics, shady dev decisions, and predatory MTX. Thank you so much for exposing this bullshit. You earned an instant like and subscribe from me. You deserve way more subscribers.
You really don't see how bad the 343 cult is until you take a break from Halo for other, better games. But the nice thing is with Infinite losing so much of us, more people have opened their eyes. I'm just glad you're a rare RUclipsr who will say what everyone else is thinking. Sadly the only primary Halotuber to pull off the mask so far was Act Man, and that's probably only because he can afford to burn the bridge having branched out years ago.
Act Man started his channel bashing Halo 4 and 5 brutally. He’s done this since the beginning. He did a livestream where he played through 5’s campaign again for the first time since the game came out, and he confirmed it was still trash.
Bruh what. Like half the RUclipsrs involved in halo have bashed it since 4. There’s channels who actually seemed to like the games and that’s their prerogative but pretending no one does this is wild lmao
Anyone else remember the whole thing where they had to shut down the subreddit because they literally cultivated their own dumpster fire and would rather ignore it than address it?
I wouldn't really call Guilty Spark a villain. He is an antagonizing force at the end of CE and 3 but he's just doing his job, that being to maintain and protect installation 07 and keep the Flood contained. He's just doing his job. Thats like saying the cops in GTA are villains. And at least Guilty Spark is competent and even likable to a degree.
I still find the funniest thing about 343 fans that they still debate that Forruners weren't humans in Bungie lore because of just a few terminals which are horribly written and contradict other terminals.
There not real fans, People are still playing the old halo campaigns after 10 years of there original launch. Do you think that in 10 years these 343 fans will still be playing halo 4, 5 or infinite?
I don't think 343 should be fired. I don't think they're even doing a bad job. The studio was set up for one thing and one thing only; Destroy Halo while making as much money as possible. They're honestly nailing it out of the park. Hell, they're so good that they save on electricity and server rent by making 98% of the people who purchase their game stop playing it. That's the kind of self destructive nonsense that Microsoft paid for when Bungie left.
You are the ONLY one who see’s that the issue isn’t the games 343 made, it’s them in general, they were always made with bad and greedy intentions, halo needed to end.
Surprised you didn’t talk about how the cult started a trend that halo 3 was never good (and it was a massive trend) and said it died as fast as halo 4 in the community part. And the dude who started it showed cropped charts and fake some stuff, and when he got caught he straight up went in full attack mode and double down, until he got a lot of push back he said “I was only trolling guys!” But still is salty and defend infinite like crazy and saying it’s better than original trilogy
@@EvilPhoenix007 it is lmao Just didn’t wanna name drop him because I want him to stay as irrelevant as possible but he kinda has a foot hold in the 343 halo community. Surprised a few big halo RUclipsrs even made a video to knowledge him at all
@Dman how is act man a shill when his entire channel was built on shitting on 343, and he's even said he's completely done with infinite because of its poor state
@lShadow426l I won't sit here and pretend rage bait doesn't happen, but the fact that Halo fans flock toward negative and critical content from non-Halo youtubers is emblematic of the quality of the franchise and it's community. Basically, lots of Halo fans are finding community having discussions about the things they dislike about the newer titles, meanwhile dedicated Halo youtubers, people like MintBlitz, are stuck making content for a game he literally can't play half the time (Look up his matchmaking issues, if you're unaware. The game is actually unplayable in Australia at times).
those people that ran damage control for halo could not care less they damaged halo, and probably still think they were the good guys, thats why i stopped engaging with the halo community.
@D R The problem with H2+ is that hitreg completely falls apart the higher your ping is. A working netcode should not do that, it higher ping should only mean more delay.
The compilation of you calling out the Halo RUclipsr community defending 343 was the realest thing I have seen in so long. You were spot on. People are just getting their dose of Hopium whilst getting beaten battered, money ripped out of their wallets but still giving it a pass. It was about time someone called them out.
I don’t think it’s gotten any better either, I feel like most of those RUclipsrs now are just pretty fake with their opinion on any other topic they talk about. Chasing trends and trying to be non-divisive person so they can retain an audience (act man and chris ray gun). They used to be a pilers now they feel oddly corporate.
Your statement about letting games go on hiatus so people can appreciate it more is so true. It’s like the new DBZ tenkaichi that was just announced. Last game came 16 years ago and people are still playing it modding the old one.
For me it's ODST Firefight. Disclaimer but I was a kid during Halo's golden years and only got to play the games just as the golden years were ending. But I started with the trilogy instead of Reach because all I knew was "I should play them in order to understand what happens." And while I had a blast with all the Halo games until 4, I tended to like ODST the least because it just felt so hard for a kid who wanted to mindlessly shoot aliens. Only now as an adult who regularly plays firefight online and beat all the maps on legendary did I realize just how deep and well thought out its sandbox and the set structure are. Strictly talking PVE, I'd argue ODST is a refinement of Halo 3's combat loop, not just a mod pack.
Exactly why I don't think it's "gatekeeping" to rip on the loud opinions of 343 fanatics who just binged the entire Halo catalogue in the last three years. Back in the day we had to appreciate and reflect on every aspect of each title for years until a new one came out. There wasn't any of this "play through MCC once with the intent to argue Halo 4 is the best" garbage.
@@junioraltamontent.7582 I binged the entire series a few years ago as well but I instantly saw the massive drop in quality of Halo 4, and the way Infinite was way better than 5 and still significantly inferior to the Bungie games
I still remember having a 343 shill say that the coating system was fine because, and I quote, “They gave you blue for free a few months after launch, what’s the big deal?” I think that about sums up the mindset of 343 fans, they did one small thing that doesn’t actually solve any problems, yet get praise for it as if they’re the shining bastions of game design.
I had 343 shill try and tell me that humanity and forerunners being the same species was a bad idea and then they said "what does same species even mean" and I called him an average 343 fan.
The armor system is fantastic? What are you mad about? You really don't like the current game because you couldn't play dress up with your avatar at launch? At this point Infinite has the best armor system out of all the Halo's and they are only going to keep expanding it. But yeah, stay mad about it... 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤡
Praise to the man who calls out little pathetic groups of fans who just consume and move on to next product. Shits everywhere not just games. Shows and movies too.
Those closing shots at the end were haunting. Imagining the hundreds if not thousands of interactions I’ve had in those sections of the maps while also knowing that those same interactions can never happen again - gives me chills and makes the eyes all watery.
Never forget the abomination that was MCC. 343i advertised it as the greatest thing ever to happen to Halo, only to utterly lie about the game not working AT ALL at launch (even lied to MLG pros during the summer tournament that they would fix all of its problems before it launched), knowingly release it completely broken and unplayable, lied about fixing it, put out a few updates, then swept it under the rug immediately after to save face for Halo 5. 343i took their proud legacy of one of the most beloved game franchises of all time and absolutely destroyed it completely.
I am completely open to a "it was all a dream" retcon where a new studio restarts from where Halo 3 left off and Master Chief gets woken up by the banished and has to contact the UNSC. Now you have the banished freshly created from the disbanded covenant and can build them up properly, cortona still around, and cool stories centered around the swords of sanghelios, the banished, and the UNSC.
Lol I've been saying this shit in the Halo forums even before launch. But Noooooooo. Everyone was putting me down as a nut and to "trust 343" lmfao jokes on y'all
finally someone calls out 343 and isn't afraid to call out the community. especially with other communities who drag the companies for the same shit or even less. great video.
It's fucking crazy how much of a Stockholm syndrome this community specifically has developed, I really can't think of any other fandom with such a loud delusional minority on constant copium and why it happened to be Halo, not even fans of shit like Ubisoft games have such low standards.
FINALLY, yet another of the FEW halo RUclips who exposed the scam artists called 343, you have done a great service exposing these witless cowards who have destroyed a brand so close to so many folks hearts... Thank you for not shilling for 343 because it's easier for the views. This was an amazing video
Reccomend looking up xGLLx he had it worse becuase he called out not just Halo Infinite but Halo 5 as well and he got ratiod and gas lighted by the morons blinded by hype.
@@EvilPhoenix007 xGLLx is a joke. Dude is a complete schizo who seethes with rage and thinks people who actively criticize le number company are shills.
Seeing the in game armors side to side is a shockingly stark comparison. I think it truly highlights how important aesthetic and artistic intentionality are. Better tech and graphical "upper limit" are NOT a crutch that will get you to the top. They are tools, not the art. Then again... games are just entertainment aren't they? It's older and looks better... the artists used mood, setting, and style to add cohesion to the overall work... God, just a little visor glow would work wonders for infinite
343 is one of the worst game developers the industry has to offer. They took a cash cow, industry defining franchise with an untarnishable foundation and turned it into an irrelevant mess, with each iteration damaging the IP more and more.
Offline custom games have been COMPLETELY BROKEN since the winter update. I used to be able to play against bots offline. Now trying to launch custom games offline crashes it every time
Every point you made I agree with, but the RUclipsr/new Halo community bit had to be the best part. It's absolutely shocking how people can pardon this company. As an old Halo fan who bought an xbox just for the CE multiplayer experience way back, I love your work man. Thanks for vocalizing our frustrations so well. I wish these videos and your channel the best
This channel is a breath of fresh air. You have been utterly ruthless towards 343, and their apologists/shills in both this part, and the previous one, and I thank you for it. I feel like there has been a level of "toxic positivity" in the community directed towards 343 in the past decade. Not enough people are willing to be blunt, direct, or even honest about the company. I can't say I enjoyed the machinima style headbobbing of your spartan model, but that's obviously a very minor nitpick. Liked, and subbed Look forward to seeing more from you
I feel like the Act Man is the only big Halo RUclipsr who really tore 343 a new arsehole once it became apparent the game wasn't going to get content. HiddenXperia and Sean W were two other big ones I watched and the sheer level of copium they were smoking was insane, ESPECIALLY for HiddenXperia. Like holy shit, I love his lore videos and his passion, but the sheer infinite number of excuses Hidden would make was beyond insane.
Yup Actman was on copium before release but once he realized it was dogshit and 343 wasn't doing shit to fix and instead were cutting promised features he gave up on the game and never looked back. Last video he made was when half of 343 got laid off and was pretty much just to talk about the corporate mess 343 was
The early lore videos were cool, but man he got onto that 343 lore track and so many videos are just no good when he brings up precursors and forerunners and ancient humanity. Nothing coming out now or in the last few years is any good
The "you're not a true fan unless you eat their shit" type of fan is a weird tribal thing that is part of all long lived fandoms right now. Star wars started it.
I'd argue it was going on with Sonic the Hedgehog for WAY longer. That "fandom" is SUPREMELY fcked. It's weirdly fitting, though. Sonic is kinda similar to Halo. Both were a console mascot series with a Castle in the Sky treasure island type story, in a funny way. Sonic with its literal floating islands, and Halo with its deep space ringworlds. It's a loose connection, but it's there. Then both got their identities scrambled beyond recognition by scummy corporate meddling, and normie communities started blindly consuming their paste.
I think "fandoms" in general are a bit of a fucked concept now, as they have become seen as marks by corporate suits looking to make a low effort buck. Perfect targets for destructive short term business models.
343 has created a synthetic branch of the Halo community that has no regard for the original games. What’s insulting to me is that these 343 shills or “main fans” (most of whom have had no experience with the original games) alienate us from the community and blame us for their problems with the franchise when in reality, they are the problem. I absolutely hate what Halo has become and honestly, it pisses me the fuck off.
just let them enjoy halo infinite for next 9 years with no new campaign only cosmetics update just remember they will never get that cross core armor and all color palette for free
@@Dendyaryadi oh dont forget, there is also a gun and ability... yeah no thanks ima go play modded MCC. they have that and more. like drive-able scarabs xD
@@ZAGON117 what I find ironic is that there is one specific guy who 1. Directly opposed the idea if monetization in MCC and 2. Is the whole reason modding is even in the game. His name is Pierre Hintze. Do with that what you will
@@phanto6599 fully aware of that, but it wont be enough to save infinite. Next halo game maybe, but infinite has nothing that olds games dont have and more. people are coping hard.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 People got too focused on the business part that they forgot that business only exists to sell what matters: the product. Products are designed by artists, manufactured and tested by engineers, and sold by the salesmen. But the games industry got blinded by profit that they thought the selling is what matters the most, not the product and the user story that is told to sell the product.
@@OmegaF77 that's how every industry operates, and the game industry is no stranger to ripping off customers, there's just more money put into it now but there's never been an age where any industry prioritized art over buisness, for every one Super Mario 64 there are a hundred Bubsy 3d.
I don't know why 343 has such an aversion to putting the plasma rifle in any of their games. And ya the bulldog is just a weak, boring shotgun without any personality.
I watched this as a patron and good timing on the public release with season 3 dropping and the copeium is in full swing. It's interesting the in game store works flawlessly but the rest of game is a buggy broken mess. It pisses me off that these try hard MLG clans get their own fucking colours but us plebs just have to pick out with what we got in the storefront. I still don't get how the MP is now considered canon and it's super serious with its story all the while they have fractured armour cores that are non canon. So we can't goofy gamemodes without it being "lore accurate". So no infection type game mode for another 6 months and who the fuck knows when grifball will come back since we still don't have assault game mode. I'm so glad you call out the so called halo community as well as 343i as an incompetent company and should be handed to ID Software. I mention your video to halo content creators like Xperia, mintblits, etc and flat out ignore it. I guess they don't want to bad mouth 343i but are fine when 343i get to shit talk on fans when they bring up legit bugs and broken features. I really resonated with your closing statement. I remember endless hours I would play in halo 3 and reach, I was there and as I much want to yarn for those days to come back. I just want halo to be laid to rest.
5:15 yes they do! For some bizarre reason people still demand sprint to be part of Halo despite it making the gameplay worse, Bungie even tested it with 2 and 3 if I remember correctly but never kept it because it broke the gameplay loop. No idea why this is the one thing people defend to the death.
Sprint has always been the Litmus Test for me when it comes to Halo games; if it has sprint, it's gonna be a bad Halo game. The first thing I thought when watching the E3 gameplay reveal of Infinite was 'oh, a clean artstyle, that's good', only to be immediately turned off when he started sprinting towards that warthog. @TheCrazeturk is spot on when it comes to the sprint debate in the Halo community, there's literally no reason for sprint to be in a Halo game. People have argued against this feature for years and there's never been a good argument from the pro-sprint crowd. I genuinely believe they're just young people who have never played an FPS without a sprint mechanic.
@@gaiusmarius7562 it's either 'why would a Spartan not be able to sprint' or 'the games have to evolve somehow', both of which are ridiculous arguments every time they're brought up
@@lesbianduck7862 Yes, but they're not ridiculous arguments, because they can't even be called arguments. They're just empty remarks that don't argue the subject matter; how does the sprint mechanic impact the gameplay of Halo. They just want it there because it's the industry standard, the norm. You don't need this mechanic for your game to be successful, just look at all the other successful FPS franchises out there that don't have sprint; Counter-Strike, DOOM, Left 4 Dead, Wolfenstein. And on the whole 'the games have to evolve somehow' remarks they keep making; Counter-Strike is a 23 year old franchise that has barely changed, at all, and it's among the most popular FPS games out there. 343i and these new fans killed the Halo franchise and Microsoft let it happen.
@@gaiusmarius7562 couldn't agree more, all the proof you need to prove sprint and other 'modern innovations' have been a detriment to Halo is to just look at how the series has plummeted in popularity ever since Halo 4 basically became call of duty
"You just had to be there." A sad, but true reality of the situation. I, and many others may never experience that kind of amazing community and gameplay at its peak, but at the same time, I had my own experiences, so I can't be too sad about it. Sometimes it's just better to let the past go, both the good and the bad of it. Watched both this and your Halo 4 videos. All of them were really well thought out and amazing to listen to! I really hope you make more content like it in the future 💚
343 in reality is what the Flood was in Halo. They took the living breathing soul of Halo and turned it into a disheveled, rotten husk of it's former self with a rocket launcher. Truly an ironic tragedy.
I'm an old Halo fan but never really engaged much with the community. I wanted to see for myself just how bad it is after watching your videos, and man, the Halo subreddits are nothing but an echo chamber for 343 fanboys. I guess it makes sense, nobody else participates because nobody else cares about Halo with the state that it's in. Your Halo 4 and Infinite videos were posted there, and the reception was pretty negative, to say the least - and it was pretty obvious that none of them watched it. I also looked at threads on 343 itself, and it was mind boggling seeing them all defend a money grubbing corporation with religious fervor. There really is nothing to go back to except the old games.
Only other dev team I can think of that's on the same level as them is modern Sonic Team and SEGA. They started to destroy THAT mascot's identity as far back as 1999. They have a longer track record of being terrible at their jobs. Now they're doing the same crap, just copying the popular thing.
@@theholygamer969 343 will always be the worst, because at least SEGA (and pretty much anyone else you can think of) made some good games before they started pumping out garbage. 343 have been poppy-butt-doo-doo water since day 1.
Woah, you felt it too? Are we like one the most highest intelligent people around the gaming community? Because I knew as well the moment I read Halo multiplayer is going to be free to play I know it's going to get bad. Real bad. Because kids, when an established series becomes free to play, subvert your expectations and raise the $ BS. Shit I'd rather drop 60$ back in the days to play a premium game with everything you'd expect in a complete package like Halo day 1 without nagging, pop-ups, obnoxious MTX store alerts and ads.
"This Garbage Community" is imo the best part of this video. This is atually the biggest issue with Halo and it is actually deep psychology, they are subconsciously aware of how bad things are HOWEVER they are also equally aware to how bad they feel about themselves. This combined with the denial and cope from Halo actually being dead results in a emotional kneejerk reaction. So when you attack ANY mediocrity you also attack EVERY mediocrity. Mediocre people will feel attacked even if they have nothing to do with the subject. It is such a bizarre and pathetic behavior once you see it and it is everywhere today.
I discovered your channel when your videos critiquing Halo 4 popped up in my recommended. Prior to that video I already didn’t really like Halo 4 (and 343 as a whole) for a lot of reasons but since then, you’ve gone above and beyond proving to everyone just how much better we deserve than them. Even more so, how much better Halo deserves than them. Thank you for being so thorough, honest, thoughtful, and loving with how you talk about Halo. People seem to mistake videos like these for hate, when in reality it couldn’t be more different. Stay safe and can’t wait to see what else you do
Haven't watched the video but I want to remind everyone who defended 343 on the multiplayer release. While you jumped up and down claiming we should not complain and let 343 have a break they spent the weekend DELETING ANY POST ON REDDIT OR FORUMS THAT COUNTERED WHAT WAS RELEASED. Everything related to armor customization they deleted. You can check it on the way back machine. They knew they lied, they knew they delivered trash, and they did it anyway. Trying to claim "poor me" while covering it up! Trash company fire them!
I’m not at all the first person to say this but when you commented that Halo 4 & 5 maps felt “made by committee” I think that is essentially what happened. They consulted esports jabronies to help bury the franchise some more.
That’s a bullshit sentiment. When a game’s delayed, it’s almost always a sign of incompetent management, and almost always signals that the game’s going to be shit when it does come out. Miyamoto also never said that in the first place.
Bro the last 4 minutes were SO DEEP! I can finally now stop searching for halo videos on RUclips... Thank you so much for giving me a great goodbye to halo... I needed that...
Can never trust the goodwill of a game company that is literally named after an in-game antagonist that backstabs you so frequently you'll only expect it again. That's all I'll say about this company. When I heard 343 is still gonna be there making content for Halo, even after all these massive layoffs that should be crippling for anyone else, I was honestly depressed.
THANK you for that section on the community. Modern Halo isn't the only one that suffers from fake positivity fans who can't accept any strong negativity. It's definitely the most toxic type of fan; hate is just as much a part of life as love, so handle it well
As a life long Trekkie, that part was painfully relatable. I've been part of the Trek fandom that's been critical of every Trek series since Enterprise for betraying Roddenberry's original vision for Trek and abandoning fans who have supported Trek for literally over half a century only to chase a "broader audience" that never existed, or if it does, will never, ever love the franchise with nearly as much passion, dedication or investment as the older fans that are being tossed aside like yesterday's garbage. So yea, seeing the exact same thing happen to the Halo community with 343 at the helm is just as distressing and depressing. And I wholeheartedly agree with you and Andy that being a fan of a franchise or IP often means having to be critical and saying "This isn't good, please do better," but it's not hate or "toxicity" that makes superfans say that, it's their love of the franchise and deep desire to help it be the absolute best it can be. For those of us who have to make such criticisms, it hurts us deeply to have to say them, especially to people we respect and about franchises we adore.
@@bldontmatter5319 lots of franchises are doing this, and are absolutely puzzled that the merchandise fail. Battlefield, for example, lost a LOT of players when DICE went COD-angled. Star Wars is probably the best example - no one wants Rey Palpatine, no one wants Snoke or Kylo Ren or Jake Skywalker, and yet, everything Disney is doing is pushing the franchise towards the Sequels.
@@bldontmatter5319 It's not art, it's a vehicle for political messaging to these people. most common occurrence is any variation on white man bad, black lady strong. You're 100% right that these things are not made for us. They're made to flip us off.
When you made it a policy to actively hire people who hate Halo to make halo and then boast about it, you deserve the outcome. When the biggest Halo youtubers glossed over or even carried water for them for saying this trying to re frame the statement , I knew it was basically the final nail in the coffin for the franchise. Let the corpse shamble on for a while longer in unreal (though i highly doubt they will be able to even pull of a competent port) Halo is truly dead and the murderer were the cowards 343.
Lo and behold, Andy the prophet! You were right about them adding another season and progression system, but to nobodys surprise, its shit. It took 2 or 3ish years to add infection to the game via season 4. The progression system is the basic military ranks and all you get is emblems for passing certain ranks (as far as I'm aware), it seems pretty bare bones.
You've been spot on. I personally never ever thought that simply lack of content, or forge, or coop campaign, or the expensive shop were what was killing the player base. Infinite suffers from the same core issues that 4 and 5 suffered from - enhanced mobility, a boring illogical or try-hard story, a Chief who didn't act like the Chief, shitty explosive effects, an overall uninspiring soundtrack, dull maps, minimal social features like lobby chat. Basically almost all the features which make a Halo game great, Infinite does not have. What's funny is, the good features in Infinite are just features 343 removed from the Bungie Halos - equipment, Chief's armour design, removing some enhanced mobility, a Halo ring focused story, etc. And I enjoyed playing Infinite when it first came out. I wasn't simply a hater. I got heavily into it, gave it and it's changes and issues a chance, completed the first Battle Pass.
This is one of the most cathartic videos for a long time Halo fan. I gave up after Halo 4. I knew 343 weren't going to revive the franchise, it was headed for a cliff and I decided to jump off early. My Halo games will always be the classics that Bungie crafted. Even the MCC is just a hollow imitation to me.
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The fact 343 is named as a references to 343 guilty spark. A Character that acts like a friend, ally, and pretends to care about you. But in the end the twist is he actually doesn't really care about you, just has its own interests in mind and in the end tried to kill you. Ya that doesn't sound ironic with how 343 has been to halo and its fans. Not saying I called it years ago, but I always had a really weird feeling with the naming of the company.
Hilariously or indirectly they were trying to tell us something from the beginning?
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People have been talking about that coincidence since they formed 343. But back then it was questioned why did they name their company after something that kill someone we loved (SGT. Johnson)
And now 343 is killing something that we love....Halo. it was always a strange thing back then but when Halo 4 came out, it was damn near prophetic....
This is the first time that I know of where someone else has said that. I thought it was a huge red flag and just out of place away back in their origin when they were announced as "343.." blah blah. It's poetic in a fucky kinda way
Dude, they made 3 games, several books and an entire TV show based on a misinformed game of telephone by Frank O'Connor regarding the entirety of Halo's plot. They do not know who 343 is beyond "cute blue robot ball".
Imagine if Activision and Treyarch abandoned Call of Duty, but then Microsoft creates the 'Shadow Company' game studio to take over.
343 shills (I MEAN 343 ENJOYERS): "Forerunners aren't human"
Marty O Donnell: "Forerunners were human"
343 shills: "You don't understand halo"
Uh, aren't the Greg Bear novels cannon though?
@@HailAzathoth not to Bungie
@@HailAzathoth It doesn't really matter anyway, in Halo 3 guilty spark literally says "you are forerunner" to master chief, it's pretty cut and dry that during bungies games humans were the same race as forerunners but 343i retconned it
@@RoamersArchive Guilty Spark says it in CE as well. It was confirmed launch day of the first game.
i bet they also love el pedro john halo 69 tv show
not a Halo fan here but an old gamer, i never understood the "bungie fan boy" thing. from what i gathered over the years, bungie/original developers of Halo. never had a bad game and always aimed to break ground with every new main series instalment. you know what i keep hearing, how every game post bungie is at best mediocre and at worst are broken and worst in terms of lore and story too. it's not about fanboyism it's about how the games are legitimately bad and the new developers not able to meet the previous studio standard.
Its just cope projection from the 343 shills.
I feel the same way. I've never understood the term "Bungie fanboy". Tf does that even mean? Me accepting that bungie made some kickass halo games and 343 hasn't makes me a fanboy?
Toxic positivity is a term I discovered thanks to the so-called Halo influencers.
I’ll never forget making a post on the Halo subreddit pointing out that 343 lied about battle pass content only being earned through gameplay. You could just pay to unlock the whole thing aka not through gameplay. It was quickly getting tons of upvotes and comments, people agreeing it was shady bullshit.
But because this was at the height of Infinite cope and denial, the thread was locked and labeled as “misleading/misinformation”. I’m still salty about it lol
See your problem was using reddit. Lmao. Worst echo chamber on the Internet alongside twitter. Social media is for wasting time not for discussion.
@@ZaLewdWarudo I rarely do, but when I do, this happens lol
Yup when you don't get censored outright you have to confront the parallel reality they create for themselves. I still use it too as a stand-in for forums...
@@NKWittmann Reddit is good as long as you avoid the stuff where Reddit culture is strongest. It's great as a one-stop shop for all your hobbies' forums, but the Halo subreddit is just awful. Mostly because of one specific mod who is the biggest 343 dicksucker on the planet - he auto-removes any posts that link to videos like this that are negative about 343 Halo.
When they created their own good example in MCC battle pass but then ignore it.
343: Shits on a plate and serves it
Halo Follower: this place needs a Michelin star!
Is the shit on a plate who we think he is?
Halo follower is honestly the worst of the bunch. Act man and hiddenxperia both were definately taking the copium. But when the truth stared them in the face, they acknowledged it.
@@Destroyer_V0 yeah he just strokes off 343 when they give him a single COLOR. Feels like I’m being gaslighted lol
@@chuck11duck64 Way back during Halo 5's pre-release HaloFollower was dumb enough to violate NDA to make hype videos. So ironically I think he's overcompensating because 343 punished him for a while after that incident.
@@Destroyer_V0 Mint Blitz is up there with halo follower
It was funny when 343 after the layoffs went out and stated that they would still be working on making Halo games, and the reaction from the fans was not cheering, but an "Oh..."
Halo Follower is the worst of them all. He's the Mr. Boss FTW of the Halo content scene.
@@JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re perfect comparison lol
@@JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re so true
I’m so glad you showed clips of mintblitz, yes he’s one of the best most creative halo players, but he’s an absolute shill of 343.
Literally makes a video with exclamation marks trying to revive halo infinite saying “Look! 343 responded!” Or “343 finally listened! We are getting this!” And it’s like one bug that’s fixed or an armour colour unlocked…
He's not a creative Halo player. He purposefully boycotted, with others, to change the "SBMM" of Halo into this non-skill based formula, and requests them to continue to do so. Halo's SBMM in classic days was ungodly strict; If you were a 30, you couldn't match above or below 27 - 33. If you were a 50, you couldn't match outside of 40's - 50's, and that even includes in the unranked playlists. This is why multiple people had numerous accounts.
In Halo Infinite, an onyx 2000, aka MintBlitz, can match a Silver 1 who has 13 games played total of Halo. Yet, this guy argues that it's still "too strict".
Almost all of his clips are him getting it on nigelthornberry6969 who never played Halo before in their life; And this is directly because the Halo Community has soooo much leverage in in Halo Infinite's development and design. A large problem isn't that he "shills" for 343, it's that 343 shills for him and countless others.
Both of which is a net negative; But it's simply that his "criticism" usually is him seeing his insecurity being pushed out and utilizing it as a method of saying "this needs fixed or added".
Every video of his is "can't believe 343 broke this and did this" and 4 days later "look 343 finally fixed it!!", where it essentially breaks the video game for 99% of players because "his" community (of 2,000 people) believe that is "really" Halo.
FYI: Almost all of his videos regarding "armor" have nothing to do with colors. it's all, 100%, due to "lore based affiliation of per-armor-piece customization across different strategically crafted uniquely designed cores"; all of which shouldn't even be in Halo Infinite's Multiplayer since Halo's multiplayer is not about armor or lore.
I will never understand how someone with that much spatial intelligence and ability to critically analyze and jailbreak game systems is such an uncritical, low IQ NPC in every other respect. Straight up bug brain. I feel like he doesn't have a soul, he's like a human computer.
“You just had to be there.” Hits hard 😢. I was and I cherish it. Feel so bad for the younger generation that only have this hellscape of micro transactions, unfinished buggy messes, awful storytelling, and evil corporate suits ruining franchises.
Even then that generation can still experience those glory days, and their parents probably did too. I am one of those people
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 I’m glad, isn’t there beauty in the simplicity of old games? I find it comforting and can spend hours playing old console games like N64, PS1, PS2, 360, etc.
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 This. There would be so much less toxicity/ resentment out of the newer gen Halo fans if they realized this. They could build those memories the older fans had at any time by grabbing a used Xbox or 360 and running some all nighter co op, split screen slayer or even a LAN party with some snacks and beverages. And that is another reason why us "old heads" love the Bungie games bc you can do that at any time, without worrying about the servers shut down or an online player base moving on.
Honestly only good thing for them is fortnite. Kinda pops as ive been playing recently. When i said i didnt play people born in 07/06 were like but its free. That seems to be the vibe these days
Best of times..
Naming a game "Infinite", but having it be so limited is the most 343 thing in history.
It could be infinite limiting... It's not called HALO: UNLIMITED
Infinite is the worst title they could have picked I always wonder what the F it is even supposed to mean it doesn't even make sense that infinite is even in the title like what's the meaning behind it they just picked it sounds like and anime to me lol
@@rickbo5858 It could be unlimited limiting... It's not called HALO: FINITE
@@AncientTechnik5148 They probably thought infinite would be like GTA V is for rockstar and be a cashcow for the next decade. Just shows you how out of touch the company was from reality.
its called infinite because thats how disappointing it is
1000% agree with your section on the community. They're the prime example of toxic positivity. A solid DECADE of 343 fuckups is not enough in their eyes, taking a GIANT of gaming and turning it into in irrelevant title that barely 3000 people play, is not enough to say that they should have the IP taken away from them.
Zero members of 343 deserve to stay. It should be ripped away from every single one of them.
You either missed the part of the discussion where he blames the community for 343's fuckups, or didn't understand that he's claiming the community is in large part to blame for why 343 does the things they do.
Nevertheless, I did not agree with his "take away halo from 343 and kill the franchise". As a 40-something year old, I don't want to see Halo die when Halo Infinite is the closest to Halo we've gotten since 2007. The problem is the community influence on the game from 2020 and onward has entirely turned this game into a clone of "other games", trying so hard to be 'something that is not halo" more than it is Halo.
And the community continuously does the same tropes.
"343 did it guys, they fixed it"
"343 really screwed up, fire 343"
"343 fixed it guys we did it"
"why 343 is so out of touch with the community"
It's the same cycle. They pretend that what they want is what "the players" want. When they get it, and people perceive it poorly, they shift the blame onto 343.
And 343 has done this since 2010. They keep doing this. They stopped in 2018 with Greenskull being the last community creator they worked with...and then in 2020 - 2021 they started right back up again with the Forerunners.
343's major problem is they take this attributed "community" and they use "their ideas" to "better the game".
It's equally like saying "We hire people that hate the game to improve it", as the feedback is to take people that distinctively look to "change the game for their better". And that's the problem with the community -- they're the same as hiring people that hate the game.
Now don't just take my word for it.
Halo CE, the strongest most versatile weapon is the Pistol. Halo 2 and Halo 3, the strongest and most versatile weapon is the BR. This "is" definitively Halo. This "is" the balance of Halo. The exact same people would and will argue that Halo's original trilogy sandbox is "imbalanced" and "should really favor this rather than that instead". Or claim that the games shouldn't be "one gun games", or my favorite: "But it's so boring to see and only play with one weapon".
This "is" the community.
And the large part of why 343 fails time, and time again, is this compromise they keep doing "with" the community.
Honestly love you ripping live service and "dOn'T bE tOxIc" reddit-tier bullshit apart.
Good video man.
Tbh, "live-service" games are dying as since Fortnite is here back in late 2017, publishers keep hijacking the aforementioned term to milk more money by shore horning the item store, battle passes, and seasons into a game that doesn't need that even if paid items are purely cosmetic (remember, cosmetics does matter)
Also, your comment now have 69 likes
@@andrigunawan5691 yeah we are all sick of it but young kids don’t understand and do make those purchases
@@Pyromaniac77777 young kids are way worse than they used to be. Can't hurt their feelings so mom and dad break out the card. My dad would have told me to fuck off and go mow some yards around the neighborhood. So I did, and bought everything myself
@@andrigunawan5691 at least Fortnite actually delivers on polished new content and has a lot of community features like old Halo used to have, as much as we all like to meme about Fortnite it undeniably pulled off the free to play model far better than most games and was actually able to engage the community in their games.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 all games property of epic games (Rocket League, Fortnite, Fall Guys) are honestly pretty decent, because even if you don't pay, you can get pretty great stuff (specially in RL, it really seems like I've paid for the drip I've got lol) and get content really consistently
I’m glad you mentioned how scummy the 343 employees were towards fans. I’ve never seen a developer hate it’s own audience more than 343 does with the amount of lying and gaslighting they did
Never forget "Moochers of Reach"
I can't fathom how folks think they can run studios like this. It's one thing to be confident to your product and direction to the point of being a bit cocky, but doing what 343i, DICE and current-year Volition are doing? It just amplifies the backlash to bad decisions to nuclear levels. There is a good reason why big chunk of Saints Row and Battlefield fans are celebrating the latest games in the franchises flopping - and ain't 'toxic fans'.
Well some people did hire people that hate halo to work on halo I don't know why or what were they smoking back then ,witch would answers why they hate the fans.
They completely lie to and alienate their audience, and then wonder where the backlash is coming from. Literally all gamers want out of a game is what was promised on the tin, which appears to be something most Triple A companies are too incompetent to deliver on. In no other industry I can think of, do you pay full price for something, just to get it in parts over the course of years. Give corporate less weight in development, and release the thing when its finished, it isn't rocket science, jesus.
Don’t forget about Bethesda, they Really hate their fans and they treat them like idiots,
343 - If it ain’t broke, fix it.
343 - If it is broke, fuck it.
"If it aint broke, break it"
walterrific wtf are you doing here
And if it's broken, break it even more.
More like, "If it's fixed, we hate it and we're gonna break it because we're in charge now."
Anytime I post something critical of 343 on the reddit, the mods delete it. Mods are the embodiment of the downfall of society
@@MissingNo2k I'm above 20 but still technically a "zoomer" and hate their goofy opinions.
That's reddit in general
40 people made Halo CE. Let that sink in.
And the fucked up thing is, development for CE on the Xbox started in late 2000, conceptual stuff aside, they basically made the game in a year.
40 LEGENDS, sir.
Thank you for calling out Halo RUclipsrs. Defending 343 at this point is a complete fucking joke.
He wasn't the only one who called the Halo Content Creators out. Look up a guy named xGLLx he calls out the content creators and Halo Infinite for years and got attacked for it.
I can't overstate how cathartic it was listening to him call them and the community out with such passion. I genuinely have no idea how so many others don't seem to notice what's been going on for over a decade. Halo fans unfortunately not only take more crap than any other fanbase that I can think of, but they defend it with a zealot like fervor.
Problem is if they want to be a halo content YTber then they need to say good things about halo
Imagine how it feels for the ones that played the originals but still want to have a good relationship with 343, and make videos about the smallest little changes they make or “promises” they say they will make. It must be like saying “good news, the husband who beats me every day and lies to me said he would quit drinking in the future! I’m so proud of him!” Why do they debase themselves like this? Looking at you ActMan and MintBlitz
It's honestly worse than the recent Tarkov drama and how those content creators have gone about it. And that has to do with a vid exposing the extent of cheaters in the game.
The community does *not* get enough shit for how they've excused 343 time and again.
I'm glad this guy called out the shills in the Halotuber community. I remember feeling hopeful when there started to be vocal critics after Halo 5, among them Act Man, LNG, and Hidden Xperia. Act Man struck it huge and mostly branched out from Halo, but LNG and Hidden Xperia were compromised and it was clear as day when they were no longer their harsh Halo 5 selves with the lousy content we got for Infinite. At least Act Man had the decency to take the mask off, stop pulling his punches, and admit he was doing it early on because he was hoping the game would take off and recover Halo's reputation.
@@perrytran9504 yeah I'll always respect Act Man for his integrity. I just hope he sticks to his word.
@@brentreimer6411 He so far has been consistent with not revisiting Infinite, even if he was disingenuous for some indeterminate years between his Halo 5 magnum opus and Infinite's release. I'm glad he even had the balls to revisit Halo 5 purely to shit on its campaign, because that was when I knew the old Act Man who would actually call out 343 was back.
I feel like it is a constant problem with nearly every fandom at this point.
The example I will always use is the game Outriders, I liked the game, BUT for 3 fucking days after the game came out you just couldn't play it AT ALL because it was online only.
I couldn't even play it single player, but then I go on twitter or reddit and people are going "the devs are twing their best, pwease don't me meanies."
People spent $60 on a drink coaster because it wasn't a game at all until multiple days after release by a 'feature' that shouldn't even exist and actively made it a worse game while providing no benefit to you, as the consumer, at all.
@@perrytran9504 ActMan is the worst of them all just because you think he somehow pulled out at the right moment. He is a corporate shill just like almost all of these content creators on corporatetube.
That compilation of coping youtubers was just sad, like a beaten housewife saying "Oh, he'll change, things will get better eventually"
Except when a beaten housewife does it it's actually sad. When these guys do it, it's genuinely pathetic to see them defend a company that hates them.
Theyre still doing it and its cringe. I don't think all of them really believe it. I think they're just hoping so they don't have to get a job
Aged like milk
The comeback was insane
@@itsyaboi9494 🤡
It has slowly and painfully dawned on me that the "Halo Fandom" now has become what the "Sonic Fandom" became.
Just... hoping and coping and surviving off of scraps of nostalgia and rose-tinted goggles, slurping up whatever low-effort slurry is pumped out into their feeding troughs.
Only difference is that while Sonic Frontiers was a good yet flawed game, Infinite is just an absolute joke.
@@jaypostromboli-jpgamertv-457 I think one of the other advantages Sonic has is that even when things aren't looking good on the company side of things there is usually at least something fans can point to and say "hey, at least someone in the company is still passionate/has good ideas/truly cares." Just look at all the excitement around Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, or the IDW comics, or even the Sonic Boom cartoon. Sonic also has a thriving fan creation community which Sonic Team has been pretty openly supportive of. Halo doesn't really have anything on the same level right now.
C'mon that's unfair, Sonic fans weren't anywhere near this delusional when Forces released, everyone shat on that fucking game, and at least while Sega's output might be mostly underwhelming there's a whole section of the fandom making interesting fan games rather than crying about the state of the franchise and drown in copium gaslighting people into believing that the next game is the one, Sonic is back.
You are absolutely right.
After Adventure 2, and ESPECIALLY after the 06 disaster, every Sonic game existed to chase trends and poorly replicate a surface-level misconception of Sonic's original game design, to the point where no one even knows what Sonic was about when it was conceived.
Even if the production value was marginally adequate, it doesn't change the fact that Sonic hasn't really been Sonic for years. It's just a shitty imitation. A skinwalker.
Halo community looking at Halo Infinite: “What, is that?” Andy: “That? That is a monument to all your sins”
343 not continuing the story idea of Humanity literally being forerunner was a huge mistake. They could have done some cool things with that concept.
They also basically dropped/sidelined the Covenant, which is by far the most interesting part of Halo.
Imagine the vault opening, revealing the last living forunner - and its human. Makes halo 4s outline better immediately
All because of Frank O Conner, sure you can say there were other people at Bungie that had the same ideas as frank o Conner but frank was the most vocal and was the one that ended up in charge at the end of the day and ended up ruining the forerunners by making them a separate species and hiring a author to write that awful forerunner trilogy novel.
@@august2771 Guilty Spark is actually a caveman XD
Apparently that idea was directly from Frank himself.
@@ano_nym YEAH I know about that, that is such a dumb retcon by him, like he ruined the whole canon by making forerunners and humanity separate species but then turns out 343 guilty spark is a caveman
As if part 1 wasn't savage enough. This is truly the definitive video on 343 and their vile influence on this franchise (alongside Sabertooth's video on how 343 annihilated the beautiful story of Halo). Fantastic work, my man; you managed to articulate my thoughts and feelings on this subject with great efficiency.
Yeah idk why they retconned that. I learned about the forerunner shit a month or so ago (im a long time halo fan but didn’t/want old enough to fully understand the lore till I was older I.e when 343 was fully steering the ship) so when I found out the forerunners were actually meant to be humans and not some other species I was like :/, that sounds so much more interesting then having them be this completely different species that had it out for humanity but also gave us access to all their shit… and the mantle of responsibility stuff
Halo RUclipsrs have got to be independent contractors paid by 343. I refuse to believe people could naturally be like they are otherwise
They are. They are part of a 343 promotional partner program called "The Forerunners". Their videos are quite literally undisclosed advertisements.
Well here it is, the culmination of my thoughts towards Infinite, and 343
I've probably burnt a few bridges with this video, which is hilarious because I literally cut out some even meaner more spiteful parts through editing. Honestly I think this is gonna be my last 343-Halo video. I know you guys want me to do Halo 5, which honestly would just be me repeating what a lot of other people have made videos about. To me I think Halo is good and buried, and the end of this video is a testament to that.
Either way, I hope you enjoy, bros
If you make a Halo 5 one, I'll watch it, even if it does repeat some other people comments. Your videos are great.
Post the meaner and spiteful parts
You should have noted that 343 managed to do a modern day crucification of a bungie era dev by making him do the apology tour instead of the main heads who were responsible in the first place. No wonder Joe left as soon as the window opened by a inch.
@@thedivide9559 I mean I was never really a big Halo player even tho I played my Xbox all the time I played some of them, but it shouldn't be a surprise that Halo is not good anymore since bungie is not making it any more.
Now you could say well call of duty is still made by the same developers and battlefield is still made by the same developers and they been trash for years now
That segment on the community had to be said. This game is a fucking joke, 343 are stupid and/or malicious, and the people still propagating apologia for either deserve ridicule. As much as I like some of them.
That entire ending chapter, I feel like for us Halo Veterans, felt like, closure, in a way.
The music, the old maps, the flashbacks...
Yeah, you just had to be there.
Also, shout out Mint Blitz for being the biggest shill ever.
The Gravemind could hold 343 fans with it's tentacles , pull out a copy of Halo Infinite and say "now this is a monument to all of your sins!"...
funniest part: 343 fans likely wouldn't know what a Gravemind is, they have never seen the Flood.
@bfk23 bait
Your criticisms against the 343 sycophants describes just about all the new "fans" of just about every entertainment industry. You see these troglodytes throughout comics with the advent of the MCU. You see it in just about every new show about an established property, the Witcher show, Willow, Rings of power, Velma, etc.
This stuff is par for the course these days and the same pattern emerges every time. The result is always the slow death of the IP.
I'm 24, I have no idea where these people even cropped up from. It's like they just came out of the dirt one day and started sharing L takes on social media.
"We're surrounded by Deepfake movies. Movies that nobody really wants, and nobody really wants to make either. They don't feel human, because they're NOT movies for humans. They're content, made by and for algorithms. It's only natural that they wouldn't feel... alive."
- So Uncivilized
@@cooljim1376 I'm nearly 40, I saw them slowly creeping in. A few of us rang the bells, we were ignored. Then suddenly it was like the flood gates opened and they started pouring out.
I think it's religious minded people who have lived all their lives without a proper religion, so their inclination towards faith manifests itself in a fandom.
Another thing we see recently popping up is how these companies blame their customers for their own failings. It's a very immature and narcissistic attitude. I think this is partly a result of a generation that grew up with social media and two working (ie. partly absent) parents. Just imagine how bad it's going to get when the TikTok generation enters the work force.
Also, you could say that the Halo RUclipsrs mistake being nice for being good, but I think it's more a case of them having a symbiotic relationship with 343i.
@@Julenissen117 THIS guy's got it nailed.
We need more people calling out the Halo RUclipsrs. They are spineless sellouts who will betray their own principles for a chance to tour 343 studios
And before more comments flood in here, don't even think about dragging my boi Acting Male through the mud. I've seen people here saying he is a 343 fanboy but I'm gonna need some sources on that one, bubs. I've been watching his videos for a few years now and I have not seen him blindly praise 343 (and no, feeling excited and hopeful about Infinite maybe learning from 4/5's mistakes for the initial launch is not blind praise, it's called having a heart and feeling joyful about a past favorite media/franchise returning, and being gobsmacked by the possibilities like everyone reading this did at least once did as a child, unless you've been a walking tragedy from the start I guess), and the praise I see him giving to Halo is mostly, if not entirely, directed at Bungie's original entries.
Call out hypocrisy for sure though, it's best to shine light on deceit when it benefits us all to see market conditions improve. No matter who's doing it. And if you have good-faith criticism for the acting guy I'm confident he'd take it in good stride as he has in the past.
I wouldn’t call Actman a Halo RUclipsr. I don’t like his content but I’m not lumping him in with the Halo RUclips community. He started with halo sure, but he has a diverse catalog of content and he reviews tons of different games.
@@lilbubz2803 Oh, I wasn't directing it at you at all. "Bubs" was just a term a friend of mine uses sometimes for light comedic effect so I picked up the habit a bit myself recently. Just to clear that up. :) Didn't even notice "bubz" is in your username until just now honestly.
And no, he's not Halo-exclusive, for sure. He's definitely a big fan though, I was moreso commentating on the people criticizing him being excited about Infinite to start, after they showed improvements over the initial gameplay showcase; this is despite him later feeling a lot more sour after some more time passed and it was made clear 343 wouldn't or couldn't make Infinite live up to what fans hoped or half-hoped for.
At least The Act Man openly hates 4 and 5, while he did praise Infinite at first, he flat out gave up on it
100% so much damage to Halo could have been avoided if halo-tubers and the forerunners (the tubers 343i soft-hired) weren't soyjacks
I left three other gaming communities because I couldn't stand the "influencers" and "fans" fanatically defending awful launches, cut content, shitty mechanics, shady dev decisions, and predatory MTX.
Thank you so much for exposing this bullshit. You earned an instant like and subscribe from me. You deserve way more subscribers.
You really don't see how bad the 343 cult is until you take a break from Halo for other, better games. But the nice thing is with Infinite losing so much of us, more people have opened their eyes. I'm just glad you're a rare RUclipsr who will say what everyone else is thinking. Sadly the only primary Halotuber to pull off the mask so far was Act Man, and that's probably only because he can afford to burn the bridge having branched out years ago.
What are some better games?
@@deriznohappehquite Neverwinter Nights
Act Man started his channel bashing Halo 4 and 5 brutally. He’s done this since the beginning. He did a livestream where he played through 5’s campaign again for the first time since the game came out, and he confirmed it was still trash.
Bruh what. Like half the RUclipsrs involved in halo have bashed it since 4. There’s channels who actually seemed to like the games and that’s their prerogative but pretending no one does this is wild lmao
@@takagimorisato9021 I was wondering more about FPS games. That’s an ARPG based on D&D.
That entire section regarding the Halo community is so accurate. Happy that you said it how it is to finally set the record straight.
Anyone else remember the whole thing where they had to shut down the subreddit because they literally cultivated their own dumpster fire and would rather ignore it than address it?
I 'member.
The 343 Era halo lore channels are monstrous cringe
I still find it ironic that 343 was named after a villain from the Halo series. Thank you for this video.
I wouldn't really call Guilty Spark a villain. He is an antagonizing force at the end of CE and 3 but he's just doing his job, that being to maintain and protect installation 07 and keep the Flood contained. He's just doing his job. Thats like saying the cops in GTA are villains. And at least Guilty Spark is competent and even likable to a degree.
Not ironic, fitting
I still find the funniest thing about 343 fans that they still debate that Forruners weren't humans in Bungie lore because of just a few terminals which are horribly written and contradict other terminals.
There not real fans, People are still playing the old halo campaigns after 10 years of there original launch. Do you think that in 10 years these 343 fans will still be playing halo 4, 5 or infinite?
I don't think 343 should be fired. I don't think they're even doing a bad job. The studio was set up for one thing and one thing only; Destroy Halo while making as much money as possible.
They're honestly nailing it out of the park. Hell, they're so good that they save on electricity and server rent by making 98% of the people who purchase their game stop playing it. That's the kind of self destructive nonsense that Microsoft paid for when Bungie left.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
He had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Had us in the first third, not gonna lie.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
You are the ONLY one who see’s that the issue isn’t the games 343 made, it’s them in general, they were always made with bad and greedy intentions, halo needed to end.
the bit about the halo youtuber community is fucking spot on.
Surprised you didn’t talk about how the cult started a trend that halo 3 was never good (and it was a massive trend) and said it died as fast as halo 4 in the community part.
And the dude who started it showed cropped charts and fake some stuff, and when he got caught he straight up went in full attack mode and double down, until he got a lot of push back he said “I was only trolling guys!” But still is salty and defend infinite like crazy and saying it’s better than original trilogy
Sounds like Hypersonic Falcon lol
@@EvilPhoenix007 it is lmao
Just didn’t wanna name drop him because I want him to stay as irrelevant as possible but he kinda has a foot hold in the 343 halo community.
Surprised a few big halo RUclipsrs even made a video to knowledge him at all
@@applenewmoon4402 Guys like him and those who follow him with the Spartan IV profile pics get dumber by the day. It gets insufferable at times.
@Dman how is act man a shill when his entire channel was built on shitting on 343, and he's even said he's completely done with infinite because of its poor state
@Dman crowbcat is blinded by nostalgia for RE4 so I wouldn't trust him.
Being a Halo fan today is more about defending 343 than actually enjoying the games.
Loved how critical you were. Someone needed to say everything you brought up. The halo RUclips community is just as sad the state of the franchise.
The mostly rage bait halo youtube community is somehow positive towards videos?
@lShadow426l I won't sit here and pretend rage bait doesn't happen, but the fact that Halo fans flock toward negative and critical content from non-Halo youtubers is emblematic of the quality of the franchise and it's community.
Basically, lots of Halo fans are finding community having discussions about the things they dislike about the newer titles, meanwhile dedicated Halo youtubers, people like MintBlitz, are stuck making content for a game he literally can't play half the time (Look up his matchmaking issues, if you're unaware. The game is actually unplayable in Australia at times).
those people that ran damage control for halo could not care less they damaged halo, and probably still think they were the good guys, thats why i stopped engaging with the halo community.
THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIXED THE HIT DETECTION IN HALO 3 MCC
BECAUSE 343 HATE HALO WHY MICROSOFT KEEP FORCING 343 TO DEVELOPED HALO DESPITE KNOWING WELL 343 HATE THE FRANCHISE SO MUCH
@D R The problem with H2+ is that hitreg completely falls apart the higher your ping is. A working netcode should not do that, it higher ping should only mean more delay.
The compilation of you calling out the Halo RUclipsr community defending 343 was the realest thing I have seen in so long. You were spot on. People are just getting their dose of Hopium whilst getting beaten battered, money ripped out of their wallets but still giving it a pass.
It was about time someone called them out.
I don’t think it’s gotten any better either, I feel like most of those RUclipsrs now are just pretty fake with their opinion on any other topic they talk about.
Chasing trends and trying to be non-divisive person so they can retain an audience (act man and chris ray gun).
They used to be a pilers now they feel oddly corporate.
Things look different, without 343's lies clouding my vision.
W comment
LOL the cutscene with Vadum and Vadam on Halo 3.
Your statement about letting games go on hiatus so people can appreciate it more is so true. It’s like the new DBZ tenkaichi that was just announced. Last game came 16 years ago and people are still playing it modding the old one.
Tenkaichi 4 was the game on my mind during that part of the video too.
For me it's ODST Firefight. Disclaimer but I was a kid during Halo's golden years and only got to play the games just as the golden years were ending. But I started with the trilogy instead of Reach because all I knew was "I should play them in order to understand what happens." And while I had a blast with all the Halo games until 4, I tended to like ODST the least because it just felt so hard for a kid who wanted to mindlessly shoot aliens. Only now as an adult who regularly plays firefight online and beat all the maps on legendary did I realize just how deep and well thought out its sandbox and the set structure are. Strictly talking PVE, I'd argue ODST is a refinement of Halo 3's combat loop, not just a mod pack.
Exactly why I don't think it's "gatekeeping" to rip on the loud opinions of 343 fanatics who just binged the entire Halo catalogue in the last three years. Back in the day we had to appreciate and reflect on every aspect of each title for years until a new one came out. There wasn't any of this "play through MCC once with the intent to argue Halo 4 is the best" garbage.
@@perrytran9504 Halo 3: ODST as whole is the perfect example, not only firefight.
@@junioraltamontent.7582 I binged the entire series a few years ago as well but I instantly saw the massive drop in quality of Halo 4, and the way Infinite was way better than 5 and still significantly inferior to the Bungie games
I still remember having a 343 shill say that the coating system was fine because, and I quote, “They gave you blue for free a few months after launch, what’s the big deal?” I think that about sums up the mindset of 343 fans, they did one small thing that doesn’t actually solve any problems, yet get praise for it as if they’re the shining bastions of game design.
Grinding for the color blue is not free. Those that can't handle the grind end up buying the shit anyway.
How old are you 3? Quit your crying ! Stop playing !
I had 343 shill try and tell me that humanity and forerunners being the same species was a bad idea and then they said "what does same species even mean" and I called him an average 343 fan.
Sounds like they just wanted Angry Joe off their back by giving blue out for free. lol
The armor system is fantastic? What are you mad about? You really don't like the current game because you couldn't play dress up with your avatar at launch? At this point Infinite has the best armor system out of all the Halo's and they are only going to keep expanding it. But yeah, stay mad about it... 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤡
Praise to the man who calls out little pathetic groups of fans who just consume and move on to next product. Shits everywhere not just games. Shows and movies too.
MCC doesn't even have Bungie logo at the start and the credits are also missing
They also removed Bungie's farewell message at the end of Reach. Like how insulting can 343 get?
Those closing shots at the end were haunting. Imagining the hundreds if not thousands of interactions I’ve had in those sections of the maps while also knowing that those same interactions can never happen again - gives me chills and makes the eyes all watery.
feel ya
When it comes to Halo, it's impossible not to feel bitter, betrayed, angry, defeated & disappointed all at once.
As a (former) Saints Row, Star Wars, Terminator and Tom Clancy's -series fan, all I can say is: "welcome to the Club".
@@PenguinDT Tom Clancy having his corpse paraded around by Ubisoft has to be one of the most frustrating things in gaming
that's pretty much every formerly beloved franchise at this point
And sad
We're all just going through Arbiter's arc in Halo 2
Never forget the abomination that was MCC. 343i advertised it as the greatest thing ever to happen to Halo, only to utterly lie about the game not working AT ALL at launch (even lied to MLG pros during the summer tournament that they would fix all of its problems before it launched), knowingly release it completely broken and unplayable, lied about fixing it, put out a few updates, then swept it under the rug immediately after to save face for Halo 5. 343i took their proud legacy of one of the most beloved game franchises of all time and absolutely destroyed it completely.
I am completely open to a "it was all a dream" retcon where a new studio restarts from where Halo 3 left off and Master Chief gets woken up by the banished and has to contact the UNSC. Now you have the banished freshly created from the disbanded covenant and can build them up properly, cortona still around, and cool stories centered around the swords of sanghelios, the banished, and the UNSC.
There should be a Lovecraftian game where you're an average detective sent to investigate the Halo community
The Penumbra and Outlast games are the closest we have to that concept.
I wouldpay for playing that shit
Go walk into any Special Ed classroom and you'll get the idea.
Paste eating simulator
This man is singlehandedly trying to wake up this comunity. Lets hope he does!
He won't. Those morons still think humans weren't forerunner. There's no hope for those people
He definitely made me rethink a lot of things.
The community is blind Arbiter but I shall make them see
Lol I've been saying this shit in the Halo forums even before launch. But Noooooooo. Everyone was putting me down as a nut and to "trust 343" lmfao jokes on y'all
finally someone calls out 343 and isn't afraid to call out the community. especially with other communities who drag the companies for the same shit or even less. great video.
It's fucking crazy how much of a Stockholm syndrome this community specifically has developed, I really can't think of any other fandom with such a loud delusional minority on constant copium and why it happened to be Halo, not even fans of shit like Ubisoft games have such low standards.
chief is still sleeping in the cryopod and everything 343i is all a fever dream of his. XD
Never forget that 343i has had Halo LONGER THAN BUNGIE!
FINALLY, yet another of the FEW halo RUclips who exposed the scam artists called 343, you have done a great service exposing these witless cowards who have destroyed a brand so close to so many folks hearts...
Thank you for not shilling for 343 because it's easier for the views. This was an amazing video
Reccomend looking up xGLLx he had it worse becuase he called out not just Halo Infinite but Halo 5 as well and he got ratiod and gas lighted by the morons blinded by hype.
@@EvilPhoenix007 xGLLx is a joke. Dude is a complete schizo who seethes with rage and thinks people who actively criticize le number company are shills.
Halo Follower is the biggest culprit of over-hyping this game as well as any Halo information. Halo Follower is just a content farm
343 actually stands for: 3 steps forward, 43 steps back
Seeing the in game armors side to side is a shockingly stark comparison. I think it truly highlights how important aesthetic and artistic intentionality are. Better tech and graphical "upper limit" are NOT a crutch that will get you to the top. They are tools, not the art. Then again... games are just entertainment aren't they?
It's older and looks better... the artists used mood, setting, and style to add cohesion to the overall work...
God, just a little visor glow would work wonders for infinite
I love getting called a fake Halo fan like I didn't dump 1,000 hours into Halo 3 by itself.
I spent years of my life playing Halo CE, 2, 3, and Reach over and over and over again-but yeah my opinion doesn’t matter either!
Likewise
“Halo is dead and you killed it”
Ignore those booty kissing 343 craigs! Play the good stuff and forget (infinite) waiting for good content that's not coming!
@@sgt.marcuspstacker2287 Could not have said it better myself. There are games that are FAR better than Infinite and that list is LLLOOONNNGGG!!!
343 is one of the worst game developers the industry has to offer. They took a cash cow, industry defining franchise with an untarnishable foundation and turned it into an irrelevant mess, with each iteration damaging the IP more and more.
Offline custom games have been COMPLETELY BROKEN since the winter update. I used to be able to play against bots offline. Now trying to launch custom games offline crashes it every time
Every point you made I agree with, but the RUclipsr/new Halo community bit had to be the best part. It's absolutely shocking how people can pardon this company. As an old Halo fan who bought an xbox just for the CE multiplayer experience way back, I love your work man. Thanks for vocalizing our frustrations so well. I wish these videos and your channel the best
This channel is a breath of fresh air. You have been utterly ruthless towards 343, and their apologists/shills in both this part, and the previous one, and I thank you for it. I feel like there has been a level of "toxic positivity" in the community directed towards 343 in the past decade. Not enough people are willing to be blunt, direct, or even honest about the company.
I can't say I enjoyed the machinima style headbobbing of your spartan model, but that's obviously a very minor nitpick. Liked, and subbed
Look forward to seeing more from you
I feel like the Act Man is the only big Halo RUclipsr who really tore 343 a new arsehole once it became apparent the game wasn't going to get content. HiddenXperia and Sean W were two other big ones I watched and the sheer level of copium they were smoking was insane, ESPECIALLY for HiddenXperia. Like holy shit, I love his lore videos and his passion, but the sheer infinite number of excuses Hidden would make was beyond insane.
Yup Actman was on copium before release but once he realized it was dogshit and 343 wasn't doing shit to fix and instead were cutting promised features he gave up on the game and never looked back. Last video he made was when half of 343 got laid off and was pretty much just to talk about the corporate mess 343 was
I literally stopped watching HiddenXperia’s videos because there just so awful with the amount of copium in his videos.
@@thatoneguy8146 Yeah, innit
HiddenX is such an insufferable bellend
The early lore videos were cool, but man he got onto that 343 lore track and so many videos are just no good when he brings up precursors and forerunners and ancient humanity. Nothing coming out now or in the last few years is any good
The "you're not a true fan unless you eat their shit" type of fan is a weird tribal thing that is part of all long lived fandoms right now. Star wars started it.
I'd argue it was going on with Sonic the Hedgehog for WAY longer. That "fandom" is SUPREMELY fcked.
It's weirdly fitting, though. Sonic is kinda similar to Halo. Both were a console mascot series with a Castle in the Sky treasure island type story, in a funny way. Sonic with its literal floating islands, and Halo with its deep space ringworlds.
It's a loose connection, but it's there.
Then both got their identities scrambled beyond recognition by scummy corporate meddling, and normie communities started blindly consuming their paste.
I think "fandoms" in general are a bit of a fucked concept now, as they have become seen as marks by corporate suits looking to make a low effort buck. Perfect targets for destructive short term business models.
343 has created a synthetic branch of the Halo community that has no regard for the original games. What’s insulting to me is that these 343 shills or “main fans” (most of whom have had no experience with the original games) alienate us from the community and blame us for their problems with the franchise when in reality, they are the problem. I absolutely hate what Halo has become and honestly, it pisses me the fuck off.
I don't even play Halo and I feel that
just let them enjoy halo infinite for next 9 years with no new campaign only cosmetics update just remember they will never get that cross core armor and all color palette for free
Never worship franchises; enjoy things for their merit.
‘Actually the Halo 4 campaign wasn’t too bad’ YES YES IT WAS THAT FUCKING BAD
@@gooseintheshell1290 exactly. It was dog shit… it was not a Halo game.
More hyped for this video than for infinite
Sir imma need you to take this opioid
343 : season 3 echoes within will have the biggest content update ever
the content : 80% cosmetic shop update, 5% 343 maps, 15% community maps
@@Dendyaryadi oh dont forget, there is also a gun and ability... yeah no thanks ima go play modded MCC. they have that and more. like drive-able scarabs xD
@@ZAGON117 what I find ironic is that there is one specific guy who 1. Directly opposed the idea if monetization in MCC and 2. Is the whole reason modding is even in the game. His name is Pierre Hintze. Do with that what you will
@@phanto6599 fully aware of that, but it wont be enough to save infinite. Next halo game maybe, but infinite has nothing that olds games dont have and more. people are coping hard.
This is what happens when art becomes industry; business, you loose the individual, what makes it unique, distinguishable.
It always has been a buisness but there were people who cared about the art to make buisness off of in the mix.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 People got too focused on the business part that they forgot that business only exists to sell what matters: the product. Products are designed by artists, manufactured and tested by engineers, and sold by the salesmen. But the games industry got blinded by profit that they thought the selling is what matters the most, not the product and the user story that is told to sell the product.
@@OmegaF77 that's how every industry operates, and the game industry is no stranger to ripping off customers, there's just more money put into it now but there's never been an age where any industry prioritized art over buisness, for every one Super Mario 64 there are a hundred Bubsy 3d.
I don't know why 343 has such an aversion to putting the plasma rifle in any of their games. And ya the bulldog is just a weak, boring shotgun without any personality.
I watched this as a patron and good timing on the public release with season 3 dropping and the copeium is in full swing.
It's interesting the in game store works flawlessly but the rest of game is a buggy broken mess. It pisses me off that these try hard MLG clans get their own fucking colours but us plebs just have to pick out with what we got in the storefront.
I still don't get how the MP is now considered canon and it's super serious with its story all the while they have fractured armour cores that are non canon. So we can't goofy gamemodes without it being "lore accurate". So no infection type game mode for another 6 months and who the fuck knows when grifball will come back since we still don't have assault game mode.
I'm so glad you call out the so called halo community as well as 343i as an incompetent company and should be handed to ID Software.
I mention your video to halo content creators like Xperia, mintblits, etc and flat out ignore it. I guess they don't want to bad mouth 343i but are fine when 343i get to shit talk on fans when they bring up legit bugs and broken features.
I really resonated with your closing statement. I remember endless hours I would play in halo 3 and reach, I was there and as I much want to yarn for those days to come back. I just want halo to be laid to rest.
@Arthur Brown and the lack of playable elites.
5:15 yes they do! For some bizarre reason people still demand sprint to be part of Halo despite it making the gameplay worse, Bungie even tested it with 2 and 3 if I remember correctly but never kept it because it broke the gameplay loop.
No idea why this is the one thing people defend to the death.
It’s a facts vs feeling debate. Fact is that sprint doesn’t work in Halo, but people want to feel “like a super soldier”
Sprint has always been the Litmus Test for me when it comes to Halo games; if it has sprint, it's gonna be a bad Halo game. The first thing I thought when watching the E3 gameplay reveal of Infinite was 'oh, a clean artstyle, that's good', only to be immediately turned off when he started sprinting towards that warthog.
@TheCrazeturk is spot on when it comes to the sprint debate in the Halo community, there's literally no reason for sprint to be in a Halo game. People have argued against this feature for years and there's never been a good argument from the pro-sprint crowd. I genuinely believe they're just young people who have never played an FPS without a sprint mechanic.
@@gaiusmarius7562 it's either 'why would a Spartan not be able to sprint' or 'the games have to evolve somehow', both of which are ridiculous arguments every time they're brought up
@@lesbianduck7862 Yes, but they're not ridiculous arguments, because they can't even be called arguments. They're just empty remarks that don't argue the subject matter; how does the sprint mechanic impact the gameplay of Halo.
They just want it there because it's the industry standard, the norm. You don't need this mechanic for your game to be successful, just look at all the other successful FPS franchises out there that don't have sprint; Counter-Strike, DOOM, Left 4 Dead, Wolfenstein.
And on the whole 'the games have to evolve somehow' remarks they keep making; Counter-Strike is a 23 year old franchise that has barely changed, at all, and it's among the most popular FPS games out there.
343i and these new fans killed the Halo franchise and Microsoft let it happen.
@@gaiusmarius7562 couldn't agree more, all the proof you need to prove sprint and other 'modern innovations' have been a detriment to Halo is to just look at how the series has plummeted in popularity ever since Halo 4 basically became call of duty
Took about few years post launch for 343 to make the plasma pistol EMP vehicles again. What a joke.
"You just had to be there."
A sad, but true reality of the situation. I, and many others may never experience that kind of amazing community and gameplay at its peak, but at the same time, I had my own experiences, so I can't be too sad about it. Sometimes it's just better to let the past go, both the good and the bad of it.
Watched both this and your Halo 4 videos. All of them were really well thought out and amazing to listen to! I really hope you make more content like it in the future 💚
343 in reality is what the Flood was in Halo. They took the living breathing soul of Halo and turned it into a disheveled, rotten husk of it's former self with a rocket launcher. Truly an ironic tragedy.
Would explain the lack of flood in their games.
Finally, peak has arrived
This had more passion put into it than anything 343 has ever put out, thank you for making this
I'm an old Halo fan but never really engaged much with the community. I wanted to see for myself just how bad it is after watching your videos, and man, the Halo subreddits are nothing but an echo chamber for 343 fanboys. I guess it makes sense, nobody else participates because nobody else cares about Halo with the state that it's in. Your Halo 4 and Infinite videos were posted there, and the reception was pretty negative, to say the least - and it was pretty obvious that none of them watched it. I also looked at threads on 343 itself, and it was mind boggling seeing them all defend a money grubbing corporation with religious fervor. There really is nothing to go back to except the old games.
Quite possibly the most based Halo video I've seen. I'm sick and tired of the 343 asskissing.
343 industries is without a doubt the absolutely worst, most evil, mediocre and greedy company and dev team ever.
Only other dev team I can think of that's on the same level as them is modern Sonic Team and SEGA. They started to destroy THAT mascot's identity as far back as 1999. They have a longer track record of being terrible at their jobs. Now they're doing the same crap, just copying the popular thing.
@@theholygamer969 343 will always be the worst, because at least SEGA (and pretty much anyone else you can think of) made some good games before they started pumping out garbage. 343 have been poppy-butt-doo-doo water since day 1.
@@tobsmonster2 I suppose you're right there.
Woah, you felt it too? Are we like one the most highest intelligent people around the gaming community? Because I knew as well the moment I read Halo multiplayer is going to be free to play I know it's going to get bad. Real bad. Because kids, when an established series becomes free to play, subvert your expectations and raise the $ BS. Shit I'd rather drop 60$ back in the days to play a premium game with everything you'd expect in a complete package like Halo day 1 without nagging, pop-ups, obnoxious MTX store alerts and ads.
"This Garbage Community" is imo the best part of this video.
This is atually the biggest issue with Halo and it is actually deep psychology, they are subconsciously aware of how bad things are HOWEVER they are also equally aware to how bad they feel about themselves.
This combined with the denial and cope from Halo actually being dead results in a emotional kneejerk reaction.
So when you attack ANY mediocrity you also attack EVERY mediocrity. Mediocre people will feel attacked even if they have nothing to do with the subject. It is such a bizarre and pathetic behavior once you see it and it is everywhere today.
I discovered your channel when your videos critiquing Halo 4 popped up in my recommended. Prior to that video I already didn’t really like Halo 4 (and 343 as a whole) for a lot of reasons but since then, you’ve gone above and beyond proving to everyone just how much better we deserve than them. Even more so, how much better Halo deserves than them. Thank you for being so thorough, honest, thoughtful, and loving with how you talk about Halo. People seem to mistake videos like these for hate, when in reality it couldn’t be more different. Stay safe and can’t wait to see what else you do
Haven't watched the video but I want to remind everyone who defended 343 on the multiplayer release. While you jumped up and down claiming we should not complain and let 343 have a break they spent the weekend DELETING ANY POST ON REDDIT OR FORUMS THAT COUNTERED WHAT WAS RELEASED. Everything related to armor customization they deleted. You can check it on the way back machine. They knew they lied, they knew they delivered trash, and they did it anyway. Trying to claim "poor me" while covering it up! Trash company fire them!
I’m not at all the first person to say this but when you commented that Halo 4 & 5 maps felt “made by committee” I think that is essentially what happened. They consulted esports jabronies to help bury the franchise some more.
The end of the video really gets those feels going. It hurts because it is the truth. "You just had to be there."
"A delayed product is eventually good. A rushed product is forever bad." It's heartbreaking to see what Halo has become since 343 took over...
That’s a bullshit sentiment. When a game’s delayed, it’s almost always a sign of incompetent management, and almost always signals that the game’s going to be shit when it does come out. Miyamoto also never said that in the first place.
you'd think after cyberpunk 2077 people would stop posting this
@@ahappylictor3214 and after Halo Infinite lmao
That Miyamoto quote doesn't apply to modern gaming.
@@nerobiblios4086 it’s not a miyamoto quote, miyamoto never said it, it’s a misattribution.
Bro the last 4 minutes were SO DEEP! I can finally now stop searching for halo videos on RUclips... Thank you so much for giving me a great goodbye to halo... I needed that...
The Bungie Halo community's not gone.
It's just not here right now.
@@theholygamer969 🥲🥲🥲
Can never trust the goodwill of a game company that is literally named after an in-game antagonist that backstabs you so frequently you'll only expect it again. That's all I'll say about this company.
When I heard 343 is still gonna be there making content for Halo, even after all these massive layoffs that should be crippling for anyone else, I was honestly depressed.
THANK you for that section on the community. Modern Halo isn't the only one that suffers from fake positivity fans who can't accept any strong negativity. It's definitely the most toxic type of fan; hate is just as much a part of life as love, so handle it well
As a life long Trekkie, that part was painfully relatable. I've been part of the Trek fandom that's been critical of every Trek series since Enterprise for betraying Roddenberry's original vision for Trek and abandoning fans who have supported Trek for literally over half a century only to chase a "broader audience" that never existed, or if it does, will never, ever love the franchise with nearly as much passion, dedication or investment as the older fans that are being tossed aside like yesterday's garbage.
So yea, seeing the exact same thing happen to the Halo community with 343 at the helm is just as distressing and depressing. And I wholeheartedly agree with you and Andy that being a fan of a franchise or IP often means having to be critical and saying "This isn't good, please do better," but it's not hate or "toxicity" that makes superfans say that, it's their love of the franchise and deep desire to help it be the absolute best it can be. For those of us who have to make such criticisms, it hurts us deeply to have to say them, especially to people we respect and about franchises we adore.
@@bldontmatter5319 lots of franchises are doing this, and are absolutely puzzled that the merchandise fail. Battlefield, for example, lost a LOT of players when DICE went COD-angled. Star Wars is probably the best example - no one wants Rey Palpatine, no one wants Snoke or Kylo Ren or Jake Skywalker, and yet, everything Disney is doing is pushing the franchise towards the Sequels.
@@bldontmatter5319 It's not art, it's a vehicle for political messaging to these people. most common occurrence is any variation on white man bad, black lady strong.
You're 100% right that these things are not made for us. They're made to flip us off.
@@OKMBVideos battlefield didnt go cod bruh it went overwatch/apex legends
When you made it a policy to actively hire people who hate Halo to make halo and then boast about it, you deserve the outcome. When the biggest Halo youtubers glossed over or even carried water for them for saying this trying to re frame the statement , I knew it was basically the final nail in the coffin for the franchise. Let the corpse shamble on for a while longer in unreal (though i highly doubt they will be able to even pull of a competent port) Halo is truly dead and the murderer were the cowards 343.
Btw update on your video, the Battle Royale you guessed Microsoft would cancel got canceled exactly as expected. Lmao
Hopefully, Andy sees this... and gets in some huge laughs.
Lo and behold, Andy the prophet! You were right about them adding another season and progression system, but to nobodys surprise, its shit. It took 2 or 3ish years to add infection to the game via season 4. The progression system is the basic military ranks and all you get is emblems for passing certain ranks (as far as I'm aware), it seems pretty bare bones.
You've been spot on. I personally never ever thought that simply lack of content, or forge, or coop campaign, or the expensive shop were what was killing the player base. Infinite suffers from the same core issues that 4 and 5 suffered from - enhanced mobility, a boring illogical or try-hard story, a Chief who didn't act like the Chief, shitty explosive effects, an overall uninspiring soundtrack, dull maps, minimal social features like lobby chat. Basically almost all the features which make a Halo game great, Infinite does not have.
What's funny is, the good features in Infinite are just features 343 removed from the Bungie Halos - equipment, Chief's armour design, removing some enhanced mobility, a Halo ring focused story, etc.
And I enjoyed playing Infinite when it first came out. I wasn't simply a hater. I got heavily into it, gave it and it's changes and issues a chance, completed the first Battle Pass.
This is one of the most cathartic videos for a long time Halo fan.
I gave up after Halo 4. I knew 343 weren't going to revive the franchise, it was headed for a cliff and I decided to jump off early. My Halo games will always be the classics that Bungie crafted. Even the MCC is just a hollow imitation to me.