Just to save yourself some time in the future, the +1 element from each of the four gathering types can only be gained once per run for each element. So once you had an air from converting a shade, you could have stopped having Frinos convert more.
Haha, I've been shouting this at the screen every time this happens! Another nitpick: Crystal Figurine can't upgrade the Messenger, it only activates inactive Arcana Cards. You need to visit Circe in person to upgrade one. The only edge case way to get an upgraded Messenger on an underworld run would be to unequip it, pick up Cherished Heirloom, then choose the Figurine and pray it hits the Messenger... for a whole extra 1% Dodge ^^
@@ivanniothemannio I believe it's stated in-game on the tool upgrades menu. I can't boot up the game right now, but it's definitely explicitly stated in-game on one of the tool UI screens.
So about the chronos one-shot, you actually can cheese it by abusing the s you get when you take a huge hit and you become invulnerable, prime opportunity being chronos phase 2.5 when he does the clock hands (both the ticking and the stationary clock hands). If you run into them when hes charging the one-shot, you can actually avoid it entirely by taking only some damage instead of 999. I do have it on video too if you want.
@@theformation3781 what? they did not, look at Boated's air boons video, it's from 3 days ago and the same version of the game as this video from Dan. Removing the s from the dash would be a crazy move on supergiant's part 💀
@gabrielborges7129 I legit thought they removed the ability to dodge through the instakill specifically (and not the dash s themselves), if that isn't the case then I apologise
Solar ring on 12:03 would been a superior choice for 20% dodge vs 3%. the only other good way to apply daze is to reroll for attack then get boon where your attack applies daze. note, you must have attack appolo boon to be offer it. the missing few % dodge is dark side boon or high rarity hermes.
It's definitely a bigger dodge increase (ignoring that we got daze through other means anyway), but it's actually surprisingly close in the end! Different dodge sources are rolled separately rather than combined, so they stack multiplicatively in effect, which doesn't compare favorably to just adding more dodge onto one big source. This is why were were getting hit much, much more than 5% of the time by dazed enemies at the end of the run. Adding 3% to Wispy Wiles raised it from 60% to 63% at the end of the run. This run had separate 5% and 10% sources. So our dodge chance with Wispy Wiles (63%) and no daze would be 68.365%. With Wispy Wiles (60%) and 20% daze, it would be 72.64%. (For comparison, with 60% Wiles and no daze, it would be 65.8%.)
I guess ideally you would want to get a common Hermes Evasion boon in Erebus and then Phial it for the 25%, then work on Air and Chaos past that point.
I have a feeling that the 20% miss chance is calculated before dodge, so they'd be more multiplicative. So I think it would only bump you up to like 80%. Still a lot, but not nearly as effective.
one day I got an hestia boon and the shop room of tartarus on the doors, I selected the hestia boon and then.... I got into the shop room, but also got a free hestia in front on me (basically a free on the center of the room near the entrance), it was so weird and random to see that happening, never saw it happens again too
wait, if you took evade evade evade from echo, you would have gone over 100% dodge right? does that mean you would never lose echo's dodge because you would never get hit?
Just to save yourself some time in the future, the +1 element from each of the four gathering types can only be gained once per run for each element. So once you had an air from converting a shade, you could have stopped having Frinos convert more.
Has this been confirmed by looking at the code? Interesting
Haha, I've been shouting this at the screen every time this happens!
Another nitpick: Crystal Figurine can't upgrade the Messenger, it only activates inactive Arcana Cards. You need to visit Circe in person to upgrade one. The only edge case way to get an upgraded Messenger on an underworld run would be to unequip it, pick up Cherished Heirloom, then choose the Figurine and pray it hits the Messenger... for a whole extra 1% Dodge ^^
@@ivanniothemannio It says it in the description on the tools lol
@@ivanniothemannio I believe it's stated in-game on the tool upgrades menu. I can't boot up the game right now, but it's definitely explicitly stated in-game on one of the tool UI screens.
@@IvyWall oh lol. Well then, Supergiant if you're reading this, let us have a chance each time! Makes infusions more fun and appealing
I like how Don talked about an Aphro/Zeus trial and he got it in Erebus lol
Well you can go bigger now with Hestia's new Hot Pot dodge boon.
So about the chronos one-shot, you actually can cheese it by abusing the s you get when you take a huge hit and you become invulnerable, prime opportunity being chronos phase 2.5 when he does the clock hands (both the ticking and the stationary clock hands). If you run into them when hes charging the one-shot, you can actually avoid it entirely by taking only some damage instead of 999. I do have it on video too if you want.
you can straight up dash into it and avoid it using the s from the dash itself 🤣
@@gabrielborges7129 I'm pretty sure they removed the dash s protecting you in some recent patch sadly
i saw haelian do it in a previous vid this patch
@@theformation3781 what? they did not, look at Boated's air boons video, it's from 3 days ago and the same version of the game as this video from Dan. Removing the s from the dash would be a crazy move on supergiant's part 💀
@gabrielborges7129 I legit thought they removed the ability to dodge through the instakill specifically (and not the dash s themselves), if that isn't the case then I apologise
Solar ring on 12:03 would been a superior choice for 20% dodge vs 3%. the only other good way to apply daze is to reroll for attack then get boon where your attack applies daze. note, you must have attack appolo boon to be offer it. the missing few % dodge is dark side boon or high rarity hermes.
It's definitely a bigger dodge increase (ignoring that we got daze through other means anyway), but it's actually surprisingly close in the end! Different dodge sources are rolled separately rather than combined, so they stack multiplicatively in effect, which doesn't compare favorably to just adding more dodge onto one big source. This is why were were getting hit much, much more than 5% of the time by dazed enemies at the end of the run. Adding 3% to Wispy Wiles raised it from 60% to 63% at the end of the run. This run had separate 5% and 10% sources. So our dodge chance with Wispy Wiles (63%) and no daze would be 68.365%. With Wispy Wiles (60%) and 20% daze, it would be 72.64%. (For comparison, with 60% Wiles and no daze, it would be 65.8%.)
@@LoudmouthedCrow it is not additive. interesting.
I guess ideally you would want to get a common Hermes Evasion boon in Erebus and then Phial it for the 25%, then work on Air and Chaos past that point.
I have a feeling that the 20% miss chance is calculated before dodge, so they'd be more multiplicative. So I think it would only bump you up to like 80%. Still a lot, but not nearly as effective.
The krusty the klown laugh at 20 mins got me
I LOVE HADES‼️‼️‼️
I think he is married.
@@TheBT Who??
@@Mike_Ox Hades, to Persephone
@@TheBT I meant the game lol
@@Mike_Ox I know, though I couldn't resist the joke
one day I got an hestia boon and the shop room of tartarus on the doors, I selected the hestia boon and then.... I got into the shop room, but also got a free hestia in front on me (basically a free on the center of the room near the entrance), it was so weird and random to see that happening, never saw it happens again too
You know now that we have a taste, we gotta see an aspect of Momos run where you get crazy Chant infusions going up on all your Omega moves.
My god that chant was enormous
the last test should've been to fight Chronos without dashing
Did this man say a tie is similar to kissing your sister? 😂😂.
im gonna miss the guy who keeps suggesting this build
LETS GOOO DODGE BUILD
Acknowledges that it's "air" and not "wind". Keeps calling it "wind".
wait at 4:25, how did he know it was an artemis room?
Timer pauses as soon as you enter
@@Haelian oh thanks!
wait, if you took evade evade evade from echo, you would have gone over 100% dodge right? does that mean you would never lose echo's dodge because you would never get hit?
The numbers from the Evade buff from Echo go down every time you dodge an attack so we'd eventually lose it.
Real Dan fans know this isn’t he first time he used this title
YES!
anyone else mad he didn’t take 3vade from echo?
I’m to early