@@theNnerLimit But he always plays with the Pact time limit, and he also wants to actually think about his choices, especially in specialized runs like this one where he's aiming to super-maximize one specific stat. Also he sometimes gets actual IGT WRs on his runs, and pausing can make all the difference there... I think it makes a lot of sense to pause often, I got used to it because I'm paying attention to what he's saying. (Also you replied to someone else, not him, so he wasn't gonna see it anyway.)
Yeah, Achilles might work better for regular encounters, but Poseidon is so much better against bosses. You don't have to wait around for your bloodstones to dislodge.
There must be some logic built in to Random Target Poms that tries to avoid the higher level ones. So when you only have a single, high level Pom, it goes through so many loops trying to pick ANYTHING else that you get that weird lag at the end of a room.
Loops dont need to calculate with only 1 boon. It's pretty much instant unless they're doing some stupid things behind the scenes (which would be even worse with multiple boons)
Even with multiple boons, maximum you’d only have to do a simple sort on the boons and then assign weights, so there shouldn’t be enough loops to cause lag. I guess they might have missed an edge case?
Yeah this doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would normally happen even in an edge case. If the selection code really does run way longer on single high-level boons for some reason, iterating through variables like that should still take almost no processing power compared to the power required to actually render the game. (I think rendering issues are what usually cause lag, you'd need a really really complex/clunky algorithm to even approach that.)
Very crazy video, the luck involved, getting that Duo boon so early and just all the poms involved. Saw a bunch of stuff in the game that I'll probably never see on my own. Gotten past the credits but haven't even unlocked the companion keepsake thing, all the bosses changed, Hades having 3 stages, cool to know that stuffs there.
I have literally never used Sisyphus' buddy and had no idea it gave gold! I was a Dusa boy forever then switched to Thanatos because he's a cute tsundere. I'm a professional gamer.
LULZ. Awesome. Can you imagine a Level 50 dio or aprho cast (which started epic tier) on beowulf? I can see that getting 5,000+ damage per loaded cast hit. And any extra casts and/or cast damage from chaos plus prometheus stones would just make it crazier. But daaaaa fissshhhhhhh doeeeee!
Now I want you to try to get the WR for most Cast ammo! The most I got is 8 (3 basic, 2 Chaos , 2 Artemis Legendary and 1 Item) but I'm sure Damp Daddy would do better
I think he got 7 with Stygian recently(?) which is slightly more impressive since he started with 1. Just got super lucky with wells mostly, although Chaos and Artemis helped. Really funny moment at the end with exit wounds and poseidon aspect.
Wisconsin mass produces the regular store cheeses , they can't make the awesome fancy cheeses they have in europe because FDA regulations prohibit the making of cheeses from unpasturized milk.
I got a red crush shot one run, and it was completely insane. I had all reds at the end, but what really tied it up is that I got the Hermes boon flurry cast... purple rarity... with crush shot. it was over at that point
Did anyone else notice that at 34:45, when he entered the room, the sawblades trap activated, then the mom pom message popped up, and then the trap never activated again? aren't those things supposed to spit blades over and over again? Did the delayed message cause a problem with their activation?
And this still what everyone means by saying “just put all resources into one thing and you’ll be alright” Works here, works in dead cells, works in dark souls Also, damn, Zag ate so much fruit, is he okay?
36:00 Yeah, my game lags so hard when I enter this area. It used to lag so hard when entering areas, but eventually my PC got used to it the more I entered them. Except for the Surface. Straight up playing the game in HADES fight with 37-50 fps and all over the place. Literally gotta drop my resolution down a bit. And like 30 fps when I'm walking past the sunrise cliff. It fixes itself when I get to Persephone This only started from the recent update a few days ago, unfortunately. Which was still annoying before, but even worse now. But the cinematic panning from viewing Taurtaris and Asphodel and especially Elysium has been patched. No longer dropping to 40 fps when looking out. Especially in Elysium when I'm fishing by Charon..
You know how the developers had to think of dialogue for certain situations like when you beat Hades on the first run? What max boon level do you think they had to code in just in case someone actually did all Poms?
They even made a special text for when you use a greater call when fighting them in a double boon room Like Dianysis said something like “You serious?”
Poisedon and Athena both both have 2 non pom-able boons because iron skin, and sure footing, for Athena and poised has sunken treasure and oceans bounty
Lol, about ten minutes in I was googling Laura Palmer to see if that was the portrait from twin peaks, and trying to see the tiny picture on my phone. Glad it was clarified later in the video XD
Just a question from a noob. Why is Haelian doing a 15 heat run when hes done 40+ heat runs previously? Why not just do a 0 heat run instead and not get the added punishment/ pressure? Is there any added bonus for doing specific heats?
Each 5 heat interval give access to a new floor's Erebus gates. These gates give "big" sized rewards including big poms. So 15 is the minimum to have access to Elysium's gates. Also it's fun :)
I don't think this is a factor for Haelian, but turning off em4, forced overtime, and benefits package now that I'm used to them just makes me play super sloppy. It takes me too long to get used to them again after even a few runs without them.
Only a few seconds in and I'm already like "(facepalm) Of COURSE! Why didn't I think about using fated authority? that's so much better for getting Pom levels!" I immediately did a run with that instead of persuasion, and was able to TRAMPLE my previous PB of 33 with a whopping 43! I just have to thank you for opening my eyes to the far better option.
"Swim stream when? Never its like 38 degrees outside" I was wondering where the fuck he lives for it to be that warm in fucking WINTER. I just completely forgot that americans use fahrenheit and 38 degrees are actually cold as shit.
Great run and congrats!!!! Ar 40:17 what do those little pips that your moving around your boons do? What are those for? Thanks, I cant figure out for the life of me what they are for LOL
The damage added from Hoarding Slash doesn't get multiplied from crit or any other bonuses I'm afraid, it's always tacked on last. Ex. you deal 100 damage per attack, if you crit, you deal 300. If you pick up Hoarding Slash and have 1000 gold, you'd be dealing 150 per swing or 350 per crit (5% of 1000 is 50). Rough numbers but I hope that makes sense.
Can I just ask,does ranking matter on the end game and hos to exactly get the aspect of Lucifer on this.I have been grinding for almost a week now and still no dialog from zeus.
Insane amount of luck, or, there are mods that let you choose your chambers. That insane lag on that door in Styx, maybe a mod conflict, or just the mom blossom playing catch-up?
late but wish this could be tried with something that scales better (like some dionisus hangover, or artemis support fire or pressure points, if...this is right to say?) but that wouldn't work out I suppose just not the requirements to get those
HOLY FLIP this was MIND BLOWING!!!! the entire video was captivating!!!! You know this game so well! Your luck with the Poms was UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! how did you get Sweet Nectar so early??? Also--although I'm not nearly as good as you, and I generally consider myself very good at the game--I've totally gotta try using Persephone's Keepsake more, because OH MY LORD!
it's hard to do this on poseidon because of knock back. That's why he didn't get the poseidon dash in asphodel. You need to land your special immediately to get the casts
He needed a second Hermes in order to prevent him from appearing on a door in Styx. He sold the first Hermes boon so that he wouldn't have 2 Hermes boon diluting the purging well if he was forced to take a pommable boon.
@Haelian did you know you can stand in Hades beam and take no damage if you stand directly in front of him (like Zag is giving him a hug!). You kind of have to be already close to Hades when he starts to cast and if you end up in the wrong spot ya gunna get burned to a nice toasty death ray beam crisp. BUT if you make it you can continue dealing out damage for a nice gah-dong ; )
This is obviously an old video and corresponding event, but i think its kind of ironic you didn't consider yourself a viable candidate to be sponsored by a clothing company but the fact you have a discerning enough eye to look at the clothes and form the opinion they aren't for you proves that you are a decent fit for the role, haha.
24:09 deals 690 damage, zag immediately says "nice"
also 69 healing in the same room lmao
I.... That is intentional programming isn't it?
zag is a zoomer
But it’s a nice
LMAO
I can't believe Haelian accidentally got a world record while he was just trying to level up his favorite cast. Crush shot op
I have a crush on Crush Shot.
I was there. This was no accident. It's all as the Fates intended.
You should try to pause way less man. Compared to other hades streamers its like 2 or 3 times as often. Gets old man.
@@theNnerLimit But he always plays with the Pact time limit, and he also wants to actually think about his choices, especially in specialized runs like this one where he's aiming to super-maximize one specific stat. Also he sometimes gets actual IGT WRs on his runs, and pausing can make all the difference there... I think it makes a lot of sense to pause often, I got used to it because I'm paying attention to what he's saying.
(Also you replied to someone else, not him, so he wasn't gonna see it anyway.)
favorite is an understatement
As someone who despises Brimstones more than Satyrs, seeing him oneshot them is VERY satisfying.
U must love snakestones then
Imagine if he was using Achilles spear with this. The +150% cast damage would be ridiculous.
Yeah, Achilles might work better for regular encounters, but Poseidon is so much better against bosses. You don't have to wait around for your bloodstones to dislodge.
@@B_Skizzle What if you used Achilles spear + the no-drop cast thing from the mirror?
@@davidfinney6211 That could work, but you’d really want to get some extra bloodstones from Chaos.
Cast did enough damage to kill Elysium enemies in two hits. It's okay I think.
@@B_Skizzle you could also use the hermes boon that makes it so bloodstones drop instantly
Will everyone just ignore that 4 pom streak in Elysium??
i got a 5 pom streak in elysium while imitating his dash only run with poseidon. I only got 20+ level though.
Jesus i read this without glasses and pom became....
@@ohnudes me too...
Call Harvard astrophysics scientists to look further in this case.
There are mods that let you pick what chamber appears, I don't feel like he's using them though.
There must be some logic built in to Random Target Poms that tries to avoid the higher level ones. So when you only have a single, high level Pom, it goes through so many loops trying to pick ANYTHING else that you get that weird lag at the end of a room.
Loops dont need to calculate with only 1 boon. It's pretty much instant unless they're doing some stupid things behind the scenes (which would be even worse with multiple boons)
Even with multiple boons, maximum you’d only have to do a simple sort on the boons and then assign weights, so there shouldn’t be enough loops to cause lag. I guess they might have missed an edge case?
Yeah this doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would normally happen even in an edge case. If the selection code really does run way longer on single high-level boons for some reason, iterating through variables like that should still take almost no processing power compared to the power required to actually render the game. (I think rendering issues are what usually cause lag, you'd need a really really complex/clunky algorithm to even approach that.)
No no guys listen to this. Textboxes are struggling rendering numbers larger than 6. How bout that.
@@Nat_the_Chicken That and like, complex AI/pathfinding/simulation which hades doesn't do (the enemies don't really walk around obstacles)
I doubt this record is getting beat, the strat and rng were just too perfect. Amazing run!
By the end the boon is just gaining +1.3% more damage per level.
"More obols, more suffering." Zag has a time machine and listens to Notorious BIG? Hell yeah. Great run, Haelian!
Love how chat went absolutely crazy at 31:24
This is the kind of crazy stuff I love about your Hades runs! Awesome job! You absolutely "crushed it"!
You want a title for this? Okay, I hereby dub thee "Boon Lord Haelian Pomegranian"
Very crazy video, the luck involved, getting that Duo boon so early and just all the poms involved. Saw a bunch of stuff in the game that I'll probably never see on my own. Gotten past the credits but haven't even unlocked the companion keepsake thing, all the bosses changed, Hades having 3 stages, cool to know that stuffs there.
4:36 why not take the extra sisyphus when his summon gives you 40 coins. It's 40 coins for 40 coins but you also get healing and 1k dmg. 🤔
I have literally never used Sisyphus' buddy and had no idea it gave gold! I was a Dusa boy forever then switched to Thanatos because he's a cute tsundere. I'm a professional gamer.
if i remember correctly it give you 30 gold and cost 40 , still worth buying it in regular run :)
sitting at my desk eating a block of helvetica while watching the new Haelian
Helvetica standard
My man eating a font
LULZ. Awesome. Can you imagine a Level 50 dio or aprho cast (which started epic tier) on beowulf? I can see that getting 5,000+ damage per loaded cast hit. And any extra casts and/or cast damage from chaos plus prometheus stones would just make it crazier. But daaaaa fissshhhhhhh doeeeee!
The theme that plays when you fight against theseus and arterius is literally gates of hell.
Now I want you to try to get the WR for most Cast ammo! The most I got is 8 (3 basic, 2 Chaos , 2 Artemis Legendary and 1 Item) but I'm sure Damp Daddy would do better
I think he got 7 with Stygian recently(?) which is slightly more impressive since he started with 1. Just got super lucky with wells mostly, although Chaos and Artemis helped. Really funny moment at the end with exit wounds and poseidon aspect.
How has Haelian never had fancy cheese? He looks like he was born and raised in Wisconsin.
Wisconsin mass produces the regular store cheeses , they can't make the awesome fancy cheeses they have in europe because FDA regulations prohibit the making of cheeses from unpasturized milk.
lmao yeah dude looks like he cant even swim
I got a red crush shot one run, and it was completely insane. I had all reds at the end, but what really tied it up is that I got the Hermes boon flurry cast... purple rarity... with crush shot. it was over at that point
I would 100% wear a shirt that said either "We Can't Lose" or "Never Punished" so please take my money.
Or simply, "Can't Lose"
Omg 50+ crush shot
*And it's only slightly over 1k damage*
Did anyone else notice that at 34:45, when he entered the room, the sawblades trap activated, then the mom pom message popped up, and then the trap never activated again? aren't those things supposed to spit blades over and over again? Did the delayed message cause a problem with their activation?
And this still what everyone means by saying “just put all resources into one thing and you’ll be alright”
Works here, works in dead cells, works in dark souls
Also, damn, Zag ate so much fruit, is he okay?
Work in almost all game like this
I'm trying to think of the most useless boon that you can level. Maybe Aphro's nearby damage reduction? Can you level that?
@@ananimal9779aphro's boon that extends Weak's duration. that's probably the worst one
@@racoonmaster5713 Weak lasts for 10 minutes, no way!!!
"and I actually beat Hades too"
THE SHAAAADE
36:00 Yeah, my game lags so hard when I enter this area. It used to lag so hard when entering areas, but eventually my PC got used to it the more I entered them. Except for the Surface. Straight up playing the game in HADES fight with 37-50 fps and all over the place. Literally gotta drop my resolution down a bit. And like 30 fps when I'm walking past the sunrise cliff. It fixes itself when I get to Persephone
This only started from the recent update a few days ago, unfortunately. Which was still annoying before, but even worse now. But the cinematic panning from viewing Taurtaris and Asphodel and especially Elysium has been patched. No longer dropping to 40 fps when looking out. Especially in Elysium when I'm fishing by Charon..
It’s the Laura Palmer portrait in the background for me
This run was blessed by Hamilton
"The room where it happens" and "FIFTY ONE!"
Chat: "You okay?"
Haelian: *Joker noises*
I don't think I've gotten a boon past 8 lol
Speaking about being offered money IRL as you discuss taking Side hustle is very meta
You know how the developers had to think of dialogue for certain situations like when you beat Hades on the first run? What max boon level do you think they had to code in just in case someone actually did all Poms?
They even made a special text for when you use a greater call when fighting them in a double boon room
Like Dianysis said something like
“You serious?”
They don't have to code individual boon levels
Now that I think of it if he got 51 I’m pretty sure there isn’t a max,and if there is it’s pretty useless
@@accountlol7409 During this run I think I noticed a chat member say there's a code limit of 99. Take it with a grain of salt though.
Poisedon and Athena both both have 2 non pom-able boons because iron skin, and sure footing, for Athena and poised has sunken treasure and oceans bounty
Is it perhaps the time to take another shot at fish%, though?
Gasp
Lol, about ten minutes in I was googling Laura Palmer to see if that was the portrait from twin peaks, and trying to see the tiny picture on my phone. Glad it was clarified later in the video XD
Main thing I learned from this is that crush shot's hitbox is terrible. in fact it's probably glitched and should be fixed
No
actually kinda pissed he didnt fish at the end lol
Is it possible to do a run with sweet nectar and rare crop? And if so wouldn't the return on that shit be bonkers good if you get it early enough?
Dat moment when u have way better dps during Hades heal ... spicy !
this man really decided yeah lets use one ability and get it to lv 50
I can really see, you really like poseidon huh. Based on every video there will be poseidon's boon
i love watching these types of videos, it's awe-inspiring,
Just a question from a noob. Why is Haelian doing a 15 heat run when hes done 40+ heat runs previously? Why not just do a 0 heat run instead and not get the added punishment/ pressure? Is there any added bonus for doing specific heats?
Each 5 heat interval give access to a new floor's Erebus gates. These gates give "big" sized rewards including big poms. So 15 is the minimum to have access to Elysium's gates. Also it's fun :)
@@ThomasSoria Ah that makes a lot of sense. I'm always too scared of getting onions to do those sadly
I don't think this is a factor for Haelian, but turning off em4, forced overtime, and benefits package now that I'm used to them just makes me play super sloppy. It takes me too long to get used to them again after even a few runs without them.
Mizzen & Main was the clothing brand for sure
What’s the difference between big Pom and lil Pom?
Big Pom = +2 levels
Only a few seconds in and I'm already like "(facepalm) Of COURSE! Why didn't I think about using fated authority? that's so much better for getting Pom levels!"
I immediately did a run with that instead of persuasion, and was able to TRAMPLE my previous PB of 33 with a whopping 43! I just have to thank you for opening my eyes to the far better option.
"Swim stream when? Never its like 38 degrees outside"
I was wondering where the fuck he lives for it to be that warm in fucking WINTER. I just completely forgot that americans use fahrenheit and 38 degrees are actually cold as shit.
we can't loose
Laura Palmer in the background? I see you
Pookm
So it said at lvl 51 is was doing 600 and whatever damage but each hit was doing over 1000. What cause that? Some mirror thing I don't know about ?
Aspect of Poseidon gives +50% cast damage + Family Favorite for 15% more, 665 * 1.65 = 1097.25
@@DoctorGester I didn't realize it have cast damage bonus I just remembered if you hit with special it dislodges the bloodstone
Edit: also thanks
1:28 Haelian Pog
a little sniffely there arent you haelian
This was so hype!
Great run and congrats!!!! Ar 40:17 what do those little pips that your moving around your boons do? What are those for? Thanks, I cant figure out for the life of me what they are for LOL
I was wondering wtf the lemon reference was about tf Hael
Did you watch until the outro?
Hey so I'm new to the game but I'm so in love with this game.. what are poms?!?! Sorry for being a noob
I wonder if hoarding slash benefits from crit maybe a thing to test if no one has an answer
It does. You can get some absolutely insane damage with that combo if you use the aspect of Arthur.
@@B_Skizzle I was thinking of bullying hael into doing another hoarding slash rapid slash run with Artemis attack
The damage added from Hoarding Slash doesn't get multiplied from crit or any other bonuses I'm afraid, it's always tacked on last. Ex. you deal 100 damage per attack, if you crit, you deal 300. If you pick up Hoarding Slash and have 1000 gold, you'd be dealing 150 per swing or 350 per crit (5% of 1000 is 50). Rough numbers but I hope that makes sense.
Oh, for real? I guess it's just hard to tell at a glance when you’re already doing so much damage with Arthur.
@@Haelian ahh thanks for explaining, I would still love to see you do it because of content though.
with boiling blood this cast could have done even more damage
I just wanna know if he got the fish at the end
34:50 The room where it happens!
Can I just ask,does ranking matter on the end game and hos to exactly get the aspect of Lucifer on this.I have been grinding for almost a week now and still no dialog from zeus.
Wouldn't this be best with the Hera bow that allows you to charge you crush shot?
Poseidon's aspect lets him pick up the blood Stones again after special, which let's him do more damage vs bosses quickly. I thought the same tho.
How did he manage to get sweet nectar so easily!!
Insane amount of luck, or, there are mods that let you choose your chambers. That insane lag on that door in Styx, maybe a mod conflict, or just the mom blossom playing catch-up?
late but
wish this could be tried with something that scales better (like some dionisus hangover, or artemis support fire or pressure points, if...this is right to say?) but that wouldn't work out I suppose
just not the requirements to get those
I don't get it, why are the poms levelling up simply after entering new room?
Pom Blossom keepsake probably.
@kukhop1 Max Pom Blossom upgrades a random upgradable boon by 1 level every 4 encounters.
Well freaking done. And here I thought boons maxed out at lvl 10 lol
HOLY FLIP this was MIND BLOWING!!!! the entire video was captivating!!!! You know this game so well! Your luck with the Poms was UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! how did you get Sweet Nectar so early??? Also--although I'm not nearly as good as you, and I generally consider myself very good at the game--I've totally gotta try using Persephone's Keepsake more, because OH MY LORD!
You see?
FISH?
this is very good content
Is this decent with Poseidon's cast?
it's hard to do this on poseidon because of knock back. That's why he didn't get the poseidon dash in asphodel. You need to land your special immediately to get the casts
Would be fine I imagine.
35:43 onichan
How do you get the people to help you attack
Ok hear me out hoarding slash plus cursed slash
Dear gods
Mostly Aphrodite this time.
How does he have like 10 room reset points?
hello haelian this is a great vid
D I V I N E S H O T G U N
Praise RNJesus
Wish he would explain a bit more whats going on
"I'd buy the diamond if I could" shoulda fought charon 🤷♂
that outro tho
so good!
Dumb question probably, buy why did hydra show up on a different map
This guy sounds like Bill Burr when he does an impression of his X girlfriend at Sunday brunch, ooo it's asparagus!!!
THE MADNESS!! :D
Why do this with Aphro cast instead of one of Poseidon’s boons?
Just seemed like fun.
16:28 Why go Hermes again after you just sold the Hermes boon "to be safe"
He needed a second Hermes in order to prevent him from appearing on a door in Styx. He sold the first Hermes boon so that he wouldn't have 2 Hermes boon diluting the purging well if he was forced to take a pommable boon.
@@Skorpioartex ohhh it still counts for styx even if he sells them
Dis
Holy shit
This dude is crazy lucky ... So much that i hate him for it ...
Aphrodite is my Goddess
Hello Primer_Dimer!
Gg
id be a little concerned if you didnt know about comic sans....
uh oh
Wish he had done some artemis and chaos extra cast. Maybe hermes too
Would've wasted turns not to level up. Which isn't the point of the run
@Haelian did you know you can stand in Hades beam and take no damage if you stand directly in front of him (like Zag is giving him a hug!). You kind of have to be already close to Hades when he starts to cast and if you end up in the wrong spot ya gunna get burned to a nice toasty death ray beam crisp. BUT if you make it you can continue dealing out damage for a nice gah-dong ; )
Can't do that with Extreme Measures 4 on I'm afraid, he has a pulsing AoE that knocks you back!
yeesh
Ain’t no one gonna point out what he said calling him daddy ????
35:42 kinda sussy
This is obviously an old video and corresponding event, but i think its kind of ironic you didn't consider yourself a viable candidate to be sponsored by a clothing company but the fact you have a discerning enough eye to look at the clothes and form the opinion they aren't for you proves that you are a decent fit for the role, haha.