expanding as consciousness for the first time what i felt is exactly how he said : SO ALIVE ,THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO COLLECT . amazing ,i could not manage to say it better
@@amsi8483 he mean universal consciousness. That includes everything. Pain-pleasure,good-bad, you-me, day-night, Sweet-hot, love-hate, ....simply existence!!
There is always such a care and gentleness in the way he looks and speaks, that is why out of all the “sages” (if you want to call it that) I think I might trust him the most
Never had an inkling of an agenda. Innocent. And, that is exactly what those of the Theosophical Society saw in his infant aura and psyche, and were convinced to build on him their dream.
I'm always wary of so-called "spiritual leaders" but I have to acknowledge that he showed great wisdom and humility by rejecting the "world saviour" role the Theosophists were grooming him for when he was young.
Krishnamurti's technique was never to give answers, but question people in the room. Someone would ask "How do you attain peace all day without negativity" and his answer would be "Who is it wants to know?", getting them to delve deeper into themselves and invariably come up with an answer they're happy with. His method works.
@@TheBroadcastStudio365 sir do u agree that reincarnation is not true sir we have phone we have memory or data whenever phone will damage but data stored in memory that will not go we changed phone not data think sir don't go blind think sir he is not a genius others made him genius science also telling about reincarnation
@@rajeshwarkoslihumans and animals are different because they evolved differently under different conditions. Also humans and animals have different genes.
I see so many comments and explanation for this video. The major difference between the speaker "JK" and the people who are commenting is that JK seems to be explaining as if he has seen or at least touched that core or center. But people commenting here have only bookish or theoretical knowledge. I strongly believe this videos intention is to not give answers but rather encourage to go deep and try to touch that center.
What do you think K's understanding of the nature or significance of that 'center' was? I agree, he seems to speak from direct experience of and insight into that center, but it seems clear that he was speaking of the center as maintained merely by thought and habitual accumulation of experiences, in contrast to the liberated state of total aliveness without an illusory center
Many people commenting are expecting him to come up with answers.They just don’t get what he tried to do in his life - get people to realise directly from within.
@@jacobst.ongecasavant9327 I have seen his multiple videos. The limited understanding which I got is. We cannot understand the core or center what he is trying to explain. The center can only be experienced by a person who lives a peaceful and a happy life. Someone who has no anger, no jealousy, no lust or selfish motives and no attachments to worldly gains can easily experience it.
The way I see the law of Karma is that your soul comes here to experience whatever it is it needs to learn. My wife and I had a miscarriage many years ago. We found it very hard to deal with. Then I listened to a Buddhist nun speak about miscarriage. She said that some souls don't need to experience a full life, they just need to experience unconditional love. We gave our unborn child unconditional love and then our child went away. That makes sense to me. This also allows understanding of darker things that occur in this world. Maybe the souls of aborted babies needed to experience being unwanted, maybe persecuted people needed to experience being hated. In a world where all these things exist and life seems so unfair, this view allows me to find some peace. I feel that there are laws in this universe that we do not understand and are not supposed to during this life, but I do believe that the purpose of this life is to love.
Thank you. We sometimes try too hard to find answers to everything and confuse our limited minds. I believe the simple answer to everything is unconditional Love, that is our purpose.
Reincarnation is just an idea, no matter how comforting it sounds... If you listened to Krishnamurti you'd know he discards the notion of reincarnation
Really? you want to be amazed, you'll be amazed. It's a function of your psychology. Doesn't mean this is actually full of deep spiritual truth. Come on.
I think Alan Watts explained it perfectly. So if with death, all memory comes to an end. Now if we imagine ourself as a singled identity which we call soul, that goes from one body to the next, but with no memory of its past lives, what is the difference between that and simply saying: a child is born. There is no difference. It is exactly the same. What funny about it is that one can come this absolute easy conclusion oneself and yet we cling on to ideas of a soul, a God, reincarnation and so on and so forth, while practically everything points out that this simply isnt the case. The ego in itself is so nonsensical and yet we constantly fall into false ideas.
That which is same in all of us, what is that? Awareness?? But that is result of brain. Can you experience my awareness? No. So there's no reincarnation. However human experience goes on as baby is born that's new awareness. Which is result of evolution of mind.
@@abhinavsingh3228"True awareness is not a product of the brain or the personal self. It is a universal, unconditioned intelligence that is beyond individual experiences and reincarnation. What is common to all of us is not a personal awareness but a shared consciousness that transcends the evolution of the mind and the cycles of birth and death. Individual awareness may be transient and conditioned, but the essence of awareness remains timeless and unchanging."
@@JorgeForge You think....That which you "think" is thought And that which thinks that thought is "center" ... Center is no different from the thought but the thought itself is the center It's paradoxical sir but it is the easiest way to say or to share about those words
We as well as all living and non living beings, are “incarnates” of the ocean of consciousness. Universal consciousness is the substratum of existence. All “matters” that exists are manifestation of that.
Non living things being incarnate of consciousness implies inanimate objects have consciousness. Logically this seems absurd and impossible yet I know it to be the truth.I can’t explain it.
@@redpillnibbler4423 Well said! Non-anomate beings such as a tree, rock even a drop of water have consciousness, as reported by the controversial findings of Japanese Emoto Masaru. But they express their consciousness in a way or in a "language" so subtle that we may not detect or understand. Even electrons have quantum entanglement and respond to each other despite far apart. This is an interesting area or realm not yet fully explored. Just like why gravitational pull exists.
When I did mischievous things during my young years, I wreckon I knew what I was doing some of the time. Now as I'm older and think back, I am deeply sorry. I think I am me since I was born. Too many regretful mistakes which I have to take to the grave. Our minds and awareness age with our bodies. It's easier to think like The Christian, one Earthly life, that's it.
Thankfully I was shown the essence inside of me which has nothing to do with thought, in fact to feel it, thought must be still. When that essence is felt there is peace, and confusion melts away. The essence is who I am and will go on, but my body will go back to the earth. That will come when it comes, but now is the time I must live, experience every moment as it comes to me, cherrish the moments, one by one, there is only one time and that is now.
I was shown as well. It came at a time of severe frustration with myself. And then I dropped into the depths of my being and saw my essence that was not separate from anything.
When "A" true MASTER speaks,..simple as that,.in less than 10 minutes he gave The Vedic Ancestral Key to leave The Samsara's Weel of rebirth... Only that..😊
It seems it is ego that is so desperate for continuation. I must remain! Ego; the illusion created by the aggregate of the 5 sense consciousnesses (6 including mind). Once upon a time, a simple but wise man said to me, "If I die tomorrow, will you still be alive? Well, there you go! Life after death!" ...And then I will let the cosmic questions rest for now and continue my meditation practice.
The eternal aspect that reexperiences might be termed qualities..not memories exactly..the deepth of your love the ocean of your compassion the capacity for kindness the quality of your peace and so forth..
The problem here is using reductionist terms to explain a "process" that has no beginning or end. The story doesn't end and neither does the storyteller. We use our subject/object thinking brain to objectify or quantity a process into a thing or object. A river becomes an object, but in reality it is a process that upon observation, involves the total sum of all of its parts in relation to the entire universe - an ever-changing, non-linear, fluid phenomenon. Yet, for us, and our subject/object thinking processes it becomes an instant "object." Considering an ongoing religious and moral conflict that involves human suffering - if everything is God - then greater God does not need to apologize to lesser God. The sum is greater than its parts. The parts are indivisible from the whole. The illusion is subject/object awareness that evolution has created in the operation of our brains, and to cope with the external environment that must be met with adaptation. It is, again, the objectification of a human being (or soul) into an "object" rather than a "process."
Wau, you've got it! How did you find it? Just today I went to nature and hopelessly started to narrate everything I see or hear. I do a step, another step, I see a stone, another stone, I am by the ...(river) but immediately something inside told me I am wrong. I see a river but it doesn't exist? And I could not get the answer. Later on I was googling "does river exist"? But no good results. And NOW I read your explanation and things start to add up. But I was taught this way! I could not get it by myself as my brain was taught this way from the childhood! So everything is a process but our brains were taught to objectify processes!
That then amounts to stating that a subject's suffering is as illusory as it is objectively meaningless which, however relevant relative to this illusory subject and its illusory and therefore meaningless accumulated experience, does nothing to explain a subject's experiencing as such in the first place or indeed answer the question of there being any consciousness at all. A river is a process inasmuch it takes place in time. Train of thought. Once that stops? Life's the name of the story. Evolution's the game. The storyteller is the story. Who's it told to though?
That "center" that has accumulated experiences is called SOUL while it is living temporarily in a body; once it leaves the body during the process of dying, it becomes a SPIRIT, a particle that came from God himself which will live for ever and ever. It was created simple and ignorant, thru the many life times; it learns good or evil. That is when reincarnation gets into playing. Because the Love of God is Unconditional; He allows us to return here to make amendments and learn the most important lesson of all: UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Once the SOUL achieves that Higher Level of Consciousness; IT will not need to reincarnate any more.
You didn't get it. There's no soul. Moreover awareness is result of brain. What higher consciousness are you talking about when everything is experienced because of brain. Also love is experienced through brain.
@@abhinavsingh3228 You are also conditioned by this generalized knowledge which is in itself also a illusion. The brain is merely a not mindful thing it's a bullshit accumulating non sense with notion to protect fear of the end and in the same way it creates all the psychological bullshits. Nothing matters at all..
When an apple on the branch gets weaker. It fells on the ground. It doesn't mean the apple is dead but searching for a new life. Because he has everything inside to start fresh. I agree there is centre which carries everything and nothing can destroy it.
Yes the whole Ego concept is still very relevant, but we should also realize having a body in the first place is part of many of our problems .We learned a lot more about the 'carne '( flesh/ biology ) of our incarnation . We learned how hormones and other chemicals,the degradation trough old age, sickness , pain , etc on the perceived quality of our life. In my opinion, keeping one's body healthy in combination with good and medical care is something that's often waved away by a lot of these spiritual masters. Just like good spiritual care is ignored by many Western doctors.
This place called reality where we find ourselves now is not the home of the soul. To understand the soul, we have to think about it in the place where it plans for this and other lives. It is there where the soul makes use of the accumulated knowledge of past lives, not here. It is the place between lives. We are not meant to have that information available to us here. But some people can access some of it sometimes. That is the nature of consciousness, and that is the subject of another comment. Another course of study, actually.
If it's all put together by thought and thought is matter stored in the brain and if we then project that thought to an after-life then reincarnation is just a hope , nothing more.
If there is an identity left , it is the essence of self, when attempting to remove all identities . It’s the point from which one may see and feel nothing . You may then think you are nothing or you are that point from which you see and and feel nothing. That point is the soul.
@@kumarkec What is being spoken of is the true foundation of awareness, which forms the ego but is not the ego. It becomes another ego whenever it crystalizes in perception and memory, whenever it is spoken or thought of - perceived in any way. Yet we know it exists, ever untouched, ever preceding our ego.
Essence of self? There's nothing like self. What you believe self to be is also processed in your brain. All is from brain. When brain dies all experience ends.
this guy was taking shit way too seriously imo why is it stupid to say i belong to "xy"? for example my body is germanic and i feel deep connection to my germanic ancestors and therefore a part of me is germanic - i know that my consciousness is eternal and that what is experiencing my so called life right now is divine consciousness, but my feelings of connection are also part of my existence and therefore i accept and love it
yes it is essentially a fact in my view as well- everything else is up for grabs, Existence/Nature of God, karma, etc. but we return again and again presumably to learn lessons and I am certain of this as I am typing this now
1) awareness. 2) conscience. 3) power of intent. I know this from direct experience. We are the same 'presence' that we are in a dream. These 3 things never age or deteriorate. Sensual desire binds to consciousness like an electromagnet. Consciousness is a field of the nervous system wherein all sensory input is radiated.
The nervous system might be a catalyst for consciousness to manifest and be experiencedbut it’s not the source of consciousness if you see what I mean.
@@redpillnibbler4423 not source may be sources or conditions to be some meaningful. If you say source then questions arises what is the source of source and go.
Great question. What reincarnates? It is not the personality and therefore it cannot be the physical body or the subtle bodies that make up the personality. It is also not the Absolute Being, which we really are, because It is beyond existence and does not need to reincarnate. I imagine it to be a "part" of Universal Consciousness that "reincarnates", acquiring a new physical body and new subtle bodies. Universal Consciousness is, here, the existential expression of Being. Therefore, in the final analysis, rebirth does not *really* exist, but *apparently* in the "imagination of Universal Consciousness", in our imagination, that is to say.
I’ve tought about this from the same perspective. I was a bit disappointed that mr Khrisnamurti did not give an answer in this regard. I think it boils down to the question: what is my manifestation in relation to consciousnes, and why is there this manifestation. And these questions cannot be answered, if they even are valid questions at all.
If death is the ultimate end of suffering and everything, as Krishnamurti suggests, then what's the point of trying to end the bundle of self or consciousness? You could either live life as you wish or end it if the suffering becomes unbearable.
Reincarnation is a metaphor. We "die" and are "reborn" when we fall asleep and awaken. We "die" and are "reborn" when we exhale and inhale. We "die" and are "reborn" between the beats of our heart. Now think of other ways this metaphor can be applied.
Need Help! One of those videos of JK which I couldn't follow completely. So essentially JK is saying that reincarnation is just a 'comforting thought' manufactured by humans and it doesn't really exist. Once someone is dead, that's it, it's over there is nothing that 'continues'. Did I get that right?
in other video with david bohm, he talked about reincarnation admitting it a fact. Unless one dies psychologically completely while living, reincarnation continues
You got that right, to take it a step further it would be helpful to understand that krishnamurti believed that thought and time needed one another to exist. Thus, if I say that a future life awaits me (reincarnation) it's the thought put in the future that is speaking. But, thought does not continue when we die, that means that we do not take anything formed by thought with us when we die. Not our name, not our religion, not our ethnicity nothing. Then one may ask in "if anything formed by thought within time is not a fact and does not continue, then what is it that continues on reincarnation?" Krishnamurti was a firm believer that only here and now exists. If you think that you will become something in the future you create conflict with in yourself between the thought of who you are now and the thought of who you should be in the future. Time might be necessary for practical reasons, but psychological time has no reason to exists, from what krishnamurti says. The thing that confuses me the most though is that he believed in a situation that place and time does not exist, a situation one might get to know if one dies at everything, thus becoming free from thought and free from the "I". But from the talks I've seen of him, he didn't describe that situation. Maybe because he didn't want it to become another thought product, or maybe because it's something that no word can describe.
I would say reincarnation exists within the dream and keeps cycling until self realisation occurs, realising there is No I in the first place, there is only life, one life, one existence, one happening, there is no person there to be re incarnated.. The Mind believes it’s a person through conditioning, You are the essence that comes before mind…
Yes, I'm not a expert on JK, but that's what I understand from his teaching as well. For what I have seen, JK believes thought creates the image of ourself, our memory and history, so it all must end with death. He is a very rational man.
Dial it back a notch and consider this within your lifetime... If your biology teacher tells you, (and it's true) that every cell within your body has been replaced with a new cell in the span of seven years.... How does someone who is 40 remember their first day of Kindergarten vividly? What is it that carries on/remains?
Because people don’t exist as separate (nothing does) All things are not only connected but all things are one thing,there is no separation except in the consciousness of manifest separation/creation [separation is creation]
In europe “the name, the form, the family” is of course the paternal spirit associated with “honor”. It is ones “genius” spirit, and associated with ones ancestoral line
He says reincarnation is there where you accumulate karma's to experience in another body. When you do not accumulate any thing, no reincarnation. Thats what I understood.
There are no "other" bodies. Reincarnation is the movement of thought and memory that gives continuity to the illusory "center" of awareness or "self" in a body that is constantly dying and being reborn, as are all forms. It is the illusion of a continuous individual physical body is reincarnated in the mind. When the mind stops, there is no more reincarnation, no idea of life separate from death, and no "self" or "other"; only the non-dual, eternal holism, of which life is but one manifestation.
No....this is not what he means. He means that thought has given rise to the thought of the "reincarnation" to comfort ourselves. It may or may not be the reality.
I thought he was more saying that there was a mis-attributing of our accumulated knowledge and experience as being linked to something permanent that could continue beyond our death. Rather he felt it was simply an accumulation of thoughts and experiences which will die with us. And that with this understanding comes the freedom to live freely in this life, without accumulating, without ‘experiencing’. It seems to me that, linked with the notion of ‘freedom from conditioning’, this is his view of enlightenment.
"We cannot solve the problem with the same level of thinking that created it" - Albert Einstein. Trying to rationaliz the concept of soul or "the thought" or "the center" does not differentiate between justified belief of a philophy from JK's own opinion. You need appropriate scale for measurement . His explanation is pedestrian.
@@bitkurdwell all experience end on death. It's simple to understand but the religions and beliefs make us so dumb that we start believing anything. Is it not clear that experience is result of brain. If brain dies experience also ends.
That which is put together by thought isn't going anywhere from here 🌎 But one must have to resolve that in oneself before the death otherwise this unresolved will carry on ....
No, buddhist reincarnation struggles immensely with the consistency and unitary nature of experience, buddhism always gets the contents of consciousness confused with consciousness itself, the buddhist mindstream is an embarrassing attempt to salvage this. All contents are objects of experience, including the mind itself.
Karma and reincarnations are at relative levels of soul like ego but it's not any kinds of centre, Absolute is just emptiness like space ( not collective consciousness nor singularity ) but with all possibilities for manifestation.
Interesting, but I would have liked some elaboration. I sense death is the passage into the state of being of pre-conception, with the difference being that you have the benefit of experience and the wisdom you have been able to glean from it.
0:00 "What is it that reincarnates?" - Well technically, nothing. Because nothing goes anywhere. It's a 'continuum' not a re anything. However, 'reincarnation' is not 'rebirth'. 'Reincarnation' refers specifically to a realized being DELIBERATELY taking rebirth. So there is a 're' of sorts there. For example, HH 14th Dalai Lama, re-Dalai Lama over and over 14 times. But not all realized being repeat the same 'job'/'position'.
I don’t understand why we have (or choose) to come to this life at the first place knowing all the struggles, pain and sorrow we all have to go through somehow? Some will say: « to experience life or « things » we have to learn » .. ok but, for What ?? If there is no end of this ? ..
I am with you on this; why bother coming down here at all? There’s more struggle and pain than you can shake a stick at. Negativity is heavy, and any joy, love and positivity is fleeting. There is nothing to learn here, only to remember.. There are some schools of thought that say that a part of us is trapped down here, described as a six sided cubicle; the same people that believe this also say we are much bigger on the inside then we are on the outside (world) and that are true freedom does lie in the inside. And to change what they call our cognitive position. So there are commonalities between what JK is saying and these people, except for the being trapped in the cube part.
Kinda strikes me as pantheist/agnostic. I like it. But then I'm not so familiar with all of Krishnamurti's thinking. As a scientific pantheist/agnostic myself one of the most comforting teachings I've ever heard on death is something attributed to Buddha. Something like this . . . One day you're watching the sky. You see a cloud form out of the clear blue and then for a time sail along bright shinning in the sun. After a time the cloud dissipates again. You do not say the cloud came from nothing and went to nothing.
After the death of our body what would be the porpose of consciousness? Incarnation is speculation, in reality our atoms will eventually assemble with other bodies even in some cases human ! Consciousness is created by the body so that it can be complete and functional. It serves no purpose after death! We are eternal through the atoms of our body that have been around since eternity and will be around forever in billions of years and in billions of forms !
If we all born and die like an insect why do i see a pattern or karma in generations. I've closely watched the actions and suffering of families around me and there is something that shows a pattern. I've started to feel like there is nothing random in this world. However I can't explain it. The relationship between Karma, generations and reincarnation.
Your karma is your memory (your accumulated thought). And you are a memory created by your Parents, and so on your parents are memory from their parents and goes on. You are not a separate individual in this universe. U are a memory. So you(this memory) can't reincarnate into a different memory by taking birth to a different parents. Because they will have their own memory received from their generation upon generation. I'm an Vedic astrology researcher, by looking very deep into a birth chart, I see completely their parents behaviour. Because astrology is your psychological mind (thought) and from that comes Action. The atmosphere & surrounding you grow up will slightly scratch your thought (memory), and that will pass your next generation.
I believe who wishes to reincarnate will reincarnate, I don´t believe it´s a never ending cycle! It´s merely a "Physical experience" This 3rd dimension is of chaos, inperfection, and there´s nothing in so called hell what´s not here on this plain of exisitance........................
As we grow from childhood to adulthood, our body completely changes. The child body has actually disintegrated and returned to the world it came from, just like death. The physical substance of our bodies is completely refreshed every 10 years or so! This is a kind of rebirth into various bodies even within our lifetime. We are like a standing wave of transitory matter. What a strange and wonderful experience life is!
I don't understand. If i am a record, just a knowledge...no eternity for me. Then why i am exist? What is the point? In cristianity is very simple we go to heaven or hell . Soul is just a light. And light is life. Light is life.
Could one atom in every living entity contain the bluprint for all life forms. After all, split an atom and the energy released is unbelievable! So there may be a set number of life forces for every living entity including bacteria, fungi etc etc. Could we reincarnate as a tree, an ant a dandelion next? A very good reason to look after the planet whilst a human!!!
I believe that people do re-incarnate, they forget their identity but the atom or deep in string theory "energies" that make up another human do share some properties of before-life identical atoms. I don't believe in god but there is a possibility of mastery over life and death as evolution evolves human beings. This hasn't haven't yet but hypothetically its possible
All The univerese, is mental... Só don't think, Just be there... There are things that cannot be explained by any words, IF you do that don't find... Thank you
Wow, so he didn't say anything substantial about reincarnation here. He just got to the point were people die and how that changes your mind and then the video stops...
If you self judge & judge others, you attached to the other people judgement towards yourself or even you attached to your actions or your past response to your history, there will be continuity. It is YOU carry the imprint of the past and future. God doesn't. And you are that.
Not quite answering the question. Gurdjieff has a different take. It appears he thinks it is the Universe which does for its own purposes. It supplies the bodies. Others suggest that our senses misinterpret what is occurring in a negative manner. Jesus says the Kingdom of Heaven is Within Already and we can All share in the nature of his Father which he shares in.
There are as many chess games to play as there are protons in the universe, this is the only piece of information that ever tru,y staggered me One life is one chess game. I personally believe that we are afforded one reincarnation for each entire universe, i.e. for every big bang You won't know life again until this whole universe is gone Multiverses are merely protons on a larger level but still.. infinitesimally tiny all the same. Talk of morality it is m e rely adaptation to your immediate environment we do what we feel is best Most of those (potential) "chess games" are futile and not worth playing out and most of us make the best we can of a stalemate Alot of them don't want to reincarnate, no one does reincarnate really but you will exist again somehow it's not reincarnation it is the law of similitudes it's like the Chinese game mahjong
How can someone have a career in which they speak so much, yet say so little. The pattern: ask the question about six or seven times with increasingly intense emphasis, ask the audience if they understand about as many times despite it being very simple, then allude to the fact that others' answers are wrong without ever clearly providing one of his own. Then finally, as the viewer, pretend that what he said was utterly profound rather than admitting the emperor has no clothes. I can already see the scathing replies to this comment. Say what you want, but I know nothing of value was imparted in this video. It's a vapid bluff. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. There's nothing wrong with self-betterment through meditative or even spiritual practices, but I take exception to those who hijack others' journeys of self-discovery with their own cults of personality.
Because he wants you to realise it yourself.He cannot give you answers,no one can (except on a base level) because realisation can only come from within you,no one can teach you or pass it on to you.
By saying you 'know' nothing of value was imparted, you have closed your mind. One of the overarching themes of his teaching is realizing the limitation of your supposed knowledge. Do you actually know nothing of value was imparted? Or have you simply not found it yet? Understanding requires an open mind, and persistence through lack of understanding. The discomfort of not understanding makes you run to the comfort of your thoughts and knowledge, and you will never find peace or understanding through these means.
That's okay, push onwards through your lack of understanding and it will come in time, it takes very much strength to say "I do not understand" and to move forwards seeking understanding. Keep studying Krishnamurti and practicing meditation, understanding comes when thought stands still.
Dying of the centre put together by thought leaves the eternal Mind which has no attachment. The No-mind of Zen. This is a proper Death ! Yes he still is not clear about reincarnation......
3.27, or that centre.....whatever you call yours, soul for some is there due to training from childhood by others, environment, ecperience and so on; K. " " I wonder if one can see this" is put together by thought. When that thing that is in you, the one that organises thoughts dies, then you are finished. I. Imagine one does not have to physically dies to know how this works. I will use my experience. One time the doctors put me to sleep. They wanted to access my inside. Between the room of mrdicine and the waking up room my thoughts we not involved in my life in any way. Could death be the same? I believe so.
expanding as consciousness for the first time what i felt is exactly how he said : SO ALIVE ,THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO COLLECT . amazing ,i could not manage to say it better
Why did that happen to you?
@@PriyanshuChauhan could you expand on this idea?
I thought I was keeping track of his point, until that last line… Camelia, please share with me how you understood his final sentence.
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But you aren’t dead. He seemed to miss that point lol.. so alive, that’s before being dead..
@@amsi8483 he mean universal consciousness. That includes everything. Pain-pleasure,good-bad, you-me, day-night, Sweet-hot, love-hate,
....simply existence!!
There is always such a care and gentleness in the way he looks and speaks, that is why out of all the “sages” (if you want to call it that) I think I might trust him the most
Never had an inkling of an agenda. Innocent. And, that is exactly what those of the Theosophical Society saw in his infant aura and psyche, and were convinced to build on him their dream.
@@johnscott7195 did u talk to him ? wat he daid ?
My intuition tells me he was the most genuine of wise men.Very very special.
@@angeloiodice9304 apparently you're very easy to dupe
I'm always wary of so-called "spiritual leaders" but I have to acknowledge that he showed great wisdom and humility by rejecting the "world saviour" role the Theosophists were grooming him for when he was young.
He was an extremely rare example of a truly wise human being.
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Krishnamurti's technique was never to give answers, but question people in the room. Someone would ask "How do you attain peace all day without negativity" and his answer would be "Who is it wants to know?", getting them to delve deeper into themselves and invariably come up with an answer they're happy with. His method works.
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@@TheBroadcastStudio365 sir do u agree that reincarnation is not true sir we have phone we have memory or data whenever phone will damage but data stored in memory that will not go we changed phone not data think sir don't go blind think sir he is not a genius others made him genius science also telling about reincarnation
@@rajeshwarkosliscience telling about reincarnation? Are you sure lol
The centre is put together by thought and is the Me... the Me that is the mischief of the world. Cosmic! Thank you, K.
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@@37tara are u accept this reincarnation is not true that's is funny then why we are here we have energy animals also have energy why we different
@@rajeshwarkoslihumans and animals are different because they evolved differently under different conditions. Also humans and animals have different genes.
Indeed !
I see so many comments and explanation for this video. The major difference between the speaker "JK" and the people who are commenting is that JK seems to be explaining as if he has seen or at least touched that core or center. But people commenting here have only bookish or theoretical knowledge. I strongly believe this videos intention is to not give answers but rather encourage to go deep and try to touch that center.
What do you think K's understanding of the nature or significance of that 'center' was?
I agree, he seems to speak from direct experience of and insight into that center, but it seems clear that he was speaking of the center as maintained merely by thought and habitual accumulation of experiences, in contrast to the liberated state of total aliveness without an illusory center
Many people commenting are expecting him to come up with answers.They just don’t get what he tried to do in his life - get people to realise directly from within.
@@jacobst.ongecasavant9327 I have seen his multiple videos. The limited understanding which I got is. We cannot understand the core or center what he is trying to explain. The center can only be experienced by a person who lives a peaceful and a happy life. Someone who has no anger, no jealousy, no lust or selfish motives and no attachments to worldly gains can easily experience it.
The way I see the law of Karma is that your soul comes here to experience whatever it is it needs to learn.
My wife and I had a miscarriage many years ago. We found it very hard to deal with. Then I listened to a Buddhist nun speak about miscarriage. She said that some souls don't need to experience a full life, they just need to experience unconditional love. We gave our unborn child unconditional love and then our child went away. That makes sense to me.
This also allows understanding of darker things that occur in this world. Maybe the souls of aborted babies needed to experience being unwanted, maybe persecuted people needed to experience being hated. In a world where all these things exist and life seems so unfair, this view allows me to find some peace.
I feel that there are laws in this universe that we do not understand and are not supposed to during this life, but I do believe that the purpose of this life is to love.
How lovely. Thank you.
Winston, because there are people like you, people who live with love, this world is a better place. Thank you for your beautiful words.
LOVE is the answer to everything through LOVE we will understand our lesson!💖💞💖💞💯
Thank you.
We sometimes try too hard to find answers to everything and confuse our limited minds. I believe the simple answer to everything is unconditional Love, that is our purpose.
Reincarnation is just an idea, no matter how comforting it sounds... If you listened to Krishnamurti you'd know he discards the notion of reincarnation
All I can muster to say is “wowwwwww.” He just laid waste to a cherished religious concept that has been misunderstood for thousands of years.
It doesn’t mean he’s correct though.
to a child is "wowwwwww"
to an adult is "yawn"
Really? you want to be amazed, you'll be amazed. It's a function of your psychology. Doesn't mean this is actually full of deep spiritual truth. Come on.
Reincarnation happens every time a child is born, that which is the same in all of us, expresses itself in a different form
I think Alan Watts explained it perfectly.
So if with death, all memory comes to an end. Now if we imagine ourself as a singled identity which we call soul, that goes from one body to the next, but with no memory of its past lives, what is the difference between that and simply saying: a child is born.
There is no difference. It is exactly the same.
What funny about it is that one can come this absolute easy conclusion oneself and yet we cling on to ideas of a soul, a God, reincarnation and so on and so forth, while practically everything points out that this simply isnt the case.
The ego in itself is so nonsensical and yet we constantly fall into false ideas.
@@SaithMasu12since there's no soul. And what we experience as "I", is a result of brain, there's no reincarnation.
That which is same in all of us, what is that? Awareness?? But that is result of brain.
Can you experience my awareness? No. So there's no reincarnation. However human experience goes on as baby is born that's new awareness. Which is result of evolution of mind.
@@abhinavsingh3228"True awareness is not a product of the brain or the personal self. It is a universal, unconditioned intelligence that is beyond individual experiences and reincarnation. What is common to all of us is not a personal awareness but a shared consciousness that transcends the evolution of the mind and the cycles of birth and death. Individual awareness may be transient and conditioned, but the essence of awareness remains timeless and unchanging."
I have the sense that understanding what he means by the Center is the key to his entire teaching.
What is that centre?..... It ends when we die or what could u please?
there is no center, there is no “you”.
You're right. Center and thought. He kept repeating it over and over. I have yet to understand what either of those means.
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You think....That which you "think" is thought
And that which thinks that thought is "center" ...
Center is no different from the thought but the thought itself is the center
It's paradoxical sir but it is the easiest way to say or to share about those words
We as well as all living and non living beings, are “incarnates” of the ocean of consciousness.
Universal consciousness is the substratum of existence. All “matters” that exists are
manifestation of that.
How do you know that?
Non living things being incarnate of consciousness implies inanimate objects have consciousness.
Logically this seems absurd and impossible yet I know it to be the truth.I can’t explain it.
I think the opposite. Consciousness is a manifestation of the matter. But many of you love to be too much poetic...
@@redpillnibbler4423 it is definitely the truth.
@@redpillnibbler4423 Well said! Non-anomate beings such as a tree, rock even a drop of water have consciousness, as reported by the controversial findings of Japanese Emoto Masaru. But they express their consciousness in a way or in a "language" so subtle that we may not detect or understand. Even electrons have quantum entanglement and respond to each other despite far apart. This is an interesting area or realm not yet fully explored. Just like why gravitational pull exists.
If you think about your childhood, you are no longer that person, neither are you different from it.
...and the same of you and your neighbor, and you and a stream, and you and sunlight, and you and being/non-being.
@Dell Wright coincidentia oppositorum
@Dell Wright
No because there is no dichotomy.
You arn’t the person you were five minutes ago let alone decades ago 😅
When I did mischievous things during my young years, I wreckon I knew what I was doing some of the time.
Now as I'm older and think back, I am deeply sorry.
I think I am me since I was born. Too many regretful mistakes which I have to take to the grave.
Our minds and awareness age with our bodies.
It's easier to think like The Christian, one Earthly life, that's it.
So wise, loving ,the essence of who we really are. The Universe bless us all.
wise?.is it sarcasm?
@@nachocamacho3 my friend you have no idea what wisdom is
Thankfully I was shown the essence inside of me which has nothing to do with thought, in fact to feel it, thought must be still. When that essence is felt there is peace, and confusion melts away. The essence is who I am and will go on, but my body will go back to the earth. That will come when it comes, but now is the time I must live, experience every moment as it comes to me, cherrish the moments, one by one, there is only one time and that is now.
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I was shown as well. It came at a time of severe frustration with myself. And then I dropped into the depths of my being and saw my essence that was not separate from anything.
When "A" true MASTER speaks,..simple as that,.in less than 10 minutes he gave The Vedic Ancestral Key to leave The Samsara's Weel of rebirth...
Only that..😊
It seems it is ego that is so desperate for continuation. I must remain! Ego; the illusion created by the aggregate of the 5 sense consciousnesses (6 including mind). Once upon a time, a simple but wise man said to me, "If I die tomorrow, will you still be alive? Well, there you go! Life after death!" ...And then I will let the cosmic questions rest for now and continue my meditation practice.
Life is temporary, but it's a terminal mistake to ignore it.
Speaking from experience., this "me" is still aware., no matter "my" "future" or "past" lives.
Ignorance is bliss to the ignorant and inexperienced.
The eternal aspect that reexperiences might be termed qualities..not memories exactly..the deepth of your love the ocean of your compassion the capacity for kindness the quality of your peace and so forth..
Nice way of thinking.
The problem here is using reductionist terms to explain a "process" that has no beginning or end.
The story doesn't end and neither does the storyteller.
We use our subject/object thinking brain to objectify or quantity a process into a thing or object. A river becomes an object, but in reality it is a process that upon observation, involves the total sum of all of its parts in relation to the entire universe - an ever-changing, non-linear, fluid phenomenon. Yet, for us, and our subject/object thinking processes it becomes an instant "object."
Considering an ongoing religious and moral conflict that involves human suffering - if everything is God - then greater God does not need to apologize to lesser God. The sum is greater than its parts. The parts are indivisible from the whole. The illusion is subject/object awareness that evolution has created in the operation of our brains, and to cope with the external environment that must be met with adaptation.
It is, again, the objectification of a human being (or soul) into an "object" rather than a "process."
The continuous vs discrete paradox
Wau, you've got it! How did you find it? Just today I went to nature and hopelessly started to narrate everything I see or hear. I do a step, another step, I see a stone, another stone, I am by the ...(river) but immediately something inside told me I am wrong. I see a river but it doesn't exist? And I could not get the answer. Later on I was googling "does river exist"? But no good results. And NOW I read your explanation and things start to add up. But I was taught this way! I could not get it by myself as my brain was taught this way from the childhood! So everything is a process but our brains were taught to objectify processes!
That then amounts to stating that a subject's suffering is as illusory as it is objectively meaningless which, however relevant relative to this illusory subject and its illusory and therefore meaningless accumulated experience, does nothing to explain a subject's experiencing as such in the first place or indeed answer the question of there being any consciousness at all. A river is a process inasmuch it takes place in time. Train of thought. Once that stops? Life's the name of the story. Evolution's the game. The storyteller is the story. Who's it told to though?
That "center" that has accumulated experiences is called SOUL while it is living temporarily in a body; once it leaves the body during the process of dying, it becomes a SPIRIT, a particle that came from God himself which will live for ever and ever. It was created simple and ignorant, thru the many life times; it learns good or evil. That is when reincarnation gets into playing. Because the Love of God is Unconditional; He allows us to return here to make amendments and learn the most important lesson of all: UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Once the SOUL achieves that Higher Level of Consciousness; IT will not need to reincarnate any more.
That centre is ego.
You didn't get it right my friend
You didn't get it. There's no soul. Moreover awareness is result of brain. What higher consciousness are you talking about when everything is experienced because of brain. Also love is experienced through brain.
@@abhinavsingh3228 You are also conditioned by this generalized knowledge which is in itself also a illusion. The brain is merely a not mindful thing it's a bullshit accumulating non sense with notion to protect fear of the end and in the same way it creates all the psychological bullshits. Nothing matters at all..
When an apple on the branch gets weaker. It fells on the ground. It doesn't mean the apple is dead but searching for a new life. Because he has everything inside to start fresh. I agree there is centre which carries everything and nothing can destroy it.
Yes the whole Ego concept is still very relevant, but we should also realize having a body in the first place is part of many of our problems .We learned a lot more about the 'carne '( flesh/ biology ) of our incarnation . We learned how hormones and other chemicals,the degradation trough old age, sickness , pain , etc on the perceived quality of our life. In my opinion, keeping one's body healthy in combination with good and medical care is something that's often waved away by a lot of these spiritual masters. Just like good spiritual care is ignored by many Western doctors.
He would have agreed with you!
This place called reality where we find ourselves now is not the home of the soul. To understand the soul, we have to think about it in the place where it plans for this and other lives. It is there where the soul makes use of the accumulated knowledge of past lives, not here. It is the place between lives. We are not meant to have that information available to us here. But some people can access some of it sometimes. That is the nature of consciousness, and that is the subject of another comment. Another course of study, actually.
If it's all put together by thought and thought is matter stored in the brain and
if we then project that thought to an after-life then
reincarnation is just a hope , nothing more.
Dear father you look just like my deceased mom.when ever I see your face my heart aches.lov u
If there is an identity left , it is the essence of self, when attempting to remove all identities . It’s the point from which one may see and feel nothing . You may then think you are nothing or you are that point from which you see and and feel nothing. That point is the soul.
That point is ego.
@@kumarkec What is being spoken of is the true foundation of awareness, which forms the ego but is not the ego. It becomes another ego whenever it crystalizes in perception and memory, whenever it is spoken or thought of - perceived in any way. Yet we know it exists, ever untouched, ever preceding our ego.
@@Liam-ke2hvwhat exist? Awareness is just result of brain. There's no self.
Essence of self? There's nothing like self. What you believe self to be is also processed in your brain. All is from brain. When brain dies all experience ends.
And there's no point from which we experience or feel nothing because there's no I left after death. Experience is from brain. There's no soul.
this guy was taking shit way too seriously imo
why is it stupid to say i belong to "xy"? for example my body is germanic and i feel deep connection to my germanic ancestors and therefore a part of me is germanic - i know that my consciousness is eternal and that what is experiencing my so called life right now is divine consciousness, but my feelings of connection are also part of my existence and therefore i accept and love it
I don’t think he would have disagreed with you.
Wonderful master of all time ❤️
Reincarnation is true and I have proof with several close relatives in Lebanon, who told me about their previous life and reincarnation presently
yes it is essentially a fact in my view as well- everything else is up for grabs, Existence/Nature of God, karma, etc. but we return again and again presumably to learn lessons and I am certain of this as I am typing this now
@@profile_01 And how long are we returning? For few lifetimes? Few million lifetimes?
@@rotgutthebloated4730 we return until no new karma is accrued & all the old karma has burned up. Nothing before, nothing after.
yes K himself said that many times in other videos
@@rotgutthebloated4730 we are returning until we don't persistently enquire what is "we"
What is beyond thought and mind
Space and emptiness we are the universe
timothygeorge correct
Waves on the ocean do not reincarnate., they're appearances. They're always the ocean itself. People too are always God itself.
1) awareness.
2) conscience.
3) power of intent.
I know this from direct experience. We are the same 'presence' that we are in a dream. These 3 things never age or deteriorate. Sensual desire binds to consciousness like an electromagnet. Consciousness is a field of the nervous system wherein all sensory input is radiated.
The nervous system might be a catalyst for consciousness to manifest and be experiencedbut it’s not the source of consciousness if you see what I mean.
@@redpillnibbler4423 not source may be sources or conditions to be some meaningful. If you say source then questions arises what is the source of source and go.
I totally agree. Consciousness comes from nervous system.
Great question. What reincarnates? It is not the personality and therefore it cannot be the physical body or the subtle bodies that make up the personality. It is also not the Absolute Being, which we really are, because It is beyond existence and does not need to reincarnate. I imagine it to be a "part" of Universal Consciousness that "reincarnates", acquiring a new physical body and new subtle bodies. Universal Consciousness is, here, the existential expression of Being. Therefore, in the final analysis, rebirth does not *really* exist, but *apparently* in the "imagination of Universal Consciousness", in our imagination, that is to say.
I’ve tought about this from the same perspective. I was a bit disappointed that mr Khrisnamurti did not give an answer in this regard.
I think it boils down to the question: what is my manifestation in relation to consciousnes, and why is there this manifestation.
And these questions cannot be answered, if they even are valid questions at all.
Yet there are people who apparently genuinely remember past lives.
If death is the ultimate end of suffering and everything, as Krishnamurti suggests, then what's the point of trying to end the bundle of self or consciousness? You could either live life as you wish or end it if the suffering becomes unbearable.
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Reincarnation is a metaphor. We "die" and are "reborn" when we fall asleep and awaken. We "die" and are "reborn" when we exhale and inhale. We "die" and are "reborn" between the beats of our heart. Now think of other ways this metaphor can be applied.
deirdre correct but if one dies to all content something diffreint takes place i wonder if you '''''' or no sirs'''
The accumulation of knowledge appears again in awareness that's reincarnation.
All we know is knowing.
That's how i see it.
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One of those videos of JK which I couldn't follow completely.
So essentially JK is saying that reincarnation is just a 'comforting thought' manufactured by humans and it doesn't really exist. Once someone is dead, that's it, it's over there is nothing that 'continues'. Did I get that right?
in other video with david bohm, he talked about reincarnation admitting it a fact. Unless one dies psychologically completely while living, reincarnation continues
You got that right, to take it a step further it would be helpful to understand that krishnamurti believed that thought and time needed one another to exist. Thus, if I say that a future life awaits me (reincarnation) it's the thought put in the future that is speaking. But, thought does not continue when we die, that means that we do not take anything formed by thought with us when we die. Not our name, not our religion, not our ethnicity nothing. Then one may ask in "if anything formed by thought within time is not a fact and does not continue, then what is it that continues on reincarnation?" Krishnamurti was a firm believer that only here and now exists. If you think that you will become something in the future you create conflict with in yourself between the thought of who you are now and the thought of who you should be in the future. Time might be necessary for practical reasons, but psychological time has no reason to exists, from what krishnamurti says. The thing that confuses me the most though is that he believed in a situation that place and time does not exist, a situation one might get to know if one dies at everything, thus becoming free from thought and free from the "I". But from the talks I've seen of him, he didn't describe that situation. Maybe because he didn't want it to become another thought product, or maybe because it's something that no word can describe.
I would say reincarnation exists within the dream and keeps cycling until self realisation occurs, realising there is No I in the first place, there is only life, one life, one existence, one happening, there is no person there to be re incarnated..
The Mind believes it’s a person through conditioning, You are the essence that comes before mind…
Explore that for yourself and you will discover something beautiful.
Yes, I'm not a expert on JK, but that's what I understand from his teaching as well. For what I have seen, JK believes thought creates the image of ourself, our memory and history, so it all must end with death. He is a very rational man.
Dial it back a notch and consider this within your lifetime... If your biology teacher tells you, (and it's true) that every cell within your body has been replaced with a new cell in the span of seven years.... How does someone who is 40 remember their first day of Kindergarten vividly? What is it that carries on/remains?
Because people don’t exist as separate (nothing does)
All things are not only connected but all things are one thing,there is no separation except in the consciousness of manifest separation/creation [separation is creation]
Copies and more copies. Making copies.
In europe “the name, the form, the family” is of course the paternal spirit associated with “honor”. It is ones “genius” spirit, and associated with ones ancestoral line
He says reincarnation is there where you accumulate karma's to experience in another body. When you do not accumulate any thing, no reincarnation. Thats what I understood.
There are no "other" bodies. Reincarnation is the movement of thought and memory that gives continuity to the illusory "center" of awareness or "self" in a body that is constantly dying and being reborn, as are all forms. It is the illusion of a continuous individual physical body is reincarnated in the mind. When the mind stops, there is no more reincarnation, no idea of life separate from death, and no "self" or "other"; only the non-dual, eternal holism, of which life is but one manifestation.
No....this is not what he means. He means that thought has given rise to the thought of the "reincarnation" to comfort ourselves. It may or may not be the reality.
I thought he was more saying that there was a mis-attributing of our accumulated knowledge and experience as being linked to something permanent that could continue beyond our death. Rather he felt it was simply an accumulation of thoughts and experiences which will die with us. And that with this understanding comes the freedom to live freely in this life, without accumulating, without ‘experiencing’. It seems to me that, linked with the notion of ‘freedom from conditioning’, this is his view of enlightenment.
No, what he says is that somehow the soul accumulates something before the physical body perishes.
@@wulf67 yes you described it really well. That's what feels true for me too 🙏🏼
"We cannot solve the problem with the same level of thinking that created it" - Albert Einstein.
Trying to rationaliz the concept of soul or "the thought" or "the center" does not differentiate between justified belief of a philophy from JK's own opinion. You need appropriate scale for measurement . His explanation is pedestrian.
I guarantee you nobody knows anything until they die.
What do you mean with appropriate scale for measurement?
@@bitkurdwell all experience end on death. It's simple to understand but the religions and beliefs make us so dumb that we start believing anything.
Is it not clear that experience is result of brain. If brain dies experience also ends.
The problem is "you" otherwise there is no problem. The " you" is the measurement. Very moment the "You" comes the problem arise😅
And one more thing dear sir .... If we think then that very thinking is the problem 😂😂😂
But I believe I have better life in next life...because my inner mind telling so...
Regret and guilt, is why some souls return to this earth. They failed and feel guilty, so they are sent back here. Nothing more.
That which is put together by thought isn't going anywhere from here 🌎
But one must have to resolve that in oneself before the death otherwise this unresolved will carry on ....
If you really want to understand the reincarnation read Buddhism then you find the secientific explaination
No, buddhist reincarnation struggles immensely with the consistency and unitary nature of experience, buddhism always gets the contents of consciousness confused with consciousness itself, the buddhist mindstream is an embarrassing attempt to salvage this. All contents are objects of experience, including the mind itself.
Karma and reincarnations are at relative levels of soul like ego but it's not any kinds of centre, Absolute is just emptiness like space ( not collective consciousness nor singularity ) but with all possibilities for manifestation.
For me reincarnation is the opportunity to learn lessons that have yet to be learned.
There is nothing to learn just live without suffering
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Interesting, but I would have liked some elaboration.
I sense death is the passage into the state of being of pre-conception, with the difference being that you have the benefit of experience and the wisdom you have been able to glean from it.
Only the spirit when and if you enter a new vessel..body.... you become a soul that dueling inside.... very little to no memory of past life......
What if I don't want to be reincarnated?
Then you don´t have to! Nobody is forced to incarnate....................
What of it?
Don't be attached with anything. Also don't worry reincarnation is just a belief
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"so alive, that there is nothing to collect"
0:00 "What is it that reincarnates?" - Well technically, nothing. Because nothing goes anywhere. It's a 'continuum' not a re anything. However, 'reincarnation' is not 'rebirth'. 'Reincarnation' refers specifically to a realized being DELIBERATELY taking rebirth. So there is a 're' of sorts there. For example, HH 14th Dalai Lama, re-Dalai Lama over and over 14 times. But not all realized being repeat the same 'job'/'position'.
I want to live forever if life is good. I want to experience never if life is bad. Its political.
I don’t understand why we have (or choose) to come to this life at the first place knowing all the struggles, pain and sorrow we all have to go through somehow?
Some will say: « to experience life or « things » we have to learn » ..
ok but, for What ?? If there is no end of this ? ..
I am with you on this; why bother coming down here at all? There’s more struggle and pain than you can shake a stick at.
Negativity is heavy, and any joy, love and positivity is fleeting. There is nothing to learn here, only to remember..
There are some schools of thought that say that a part of us is trapped down here, described as a six sided cubicle; the same people that believe this also say we are much bigger on the inside then we are on the outside (world) and that are true freedom does lie in the inside. And to change what they call our cognitive position. So there are commonalities between what JK is saying and these people, except for the being trapped in the cube part.
There is nothing here to learn, only to remember (the true self).
Kinda strikes me as pantheist/agnostic. I like it. But then I'm not so familiar with all of Krishnamurti's thinking.
As a scientific pantheist/agnostic myself one of the most comforting teachings I've ever heard on death is something attributed to Buddha. Something like this . . . One day you're watching the sky. You see a cloud form out of the clear blue and then for a time sail along bright shinning in the sun. After a time the cloud dissipates again. You do not say the cloud came from nothing and went to nothing.
Ques - What is it that reincarnate?
Ans - jivatma
Where is the remainder of his train of thought on this matter? He's cut off before finishing....
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At four months the body creates consciousness. Body and consciousness live and die together at the same time! The rest is speculation !
After the death of our body what would be the porpose of consciousness? Incarnation is speculation, in reality our atoms will eventually assemble with other bodies even in some cases human ! Consciousness is created by the body so that it can be complete and functional. It serves no purpose after death! We are eternal through the atoms of our body that have been around since eternity and will be around forever in billions of years and in billions of forms !
Best way of breaking the reality. Nothing before, nothing after
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And even here, K doesn't explicitly state if reincarnation exists or not! Wow
He said it clearly,that thought (the ego) is what reincarnate in a new body(house).
That's so true 😂😂 but we know he is the one
He doesn’t spoon feed like other so-called spiritual leaders 😊
@@matteoinnusa1676 Ha Ha Ha
he never does.. xD
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If we all born and die like an insect why do i see a pattern or karma in generations.
I've closely watched the actions and suffering of families around me and there is something that shows a pattern.
I've started to feel like there is nothing random in this world.
However I can't explain it.
The relationship between Karma, generations and reincarnation.
Your karma is your memory (your accumulated thought). And you are a memory created by your Parents, and so on your parents are memory from their parents and goes on. You are not a separate individual in this universe. U are a memory.
So you(this memory) can't reincarnate into a different memory by taking birth to a different parents. Because they will have their own memory received from their generation upon generation.
I'm an Vedic astrology researcher, by looking very deep into a birth chart, I see completely their parents behaviour. Because astrology is your psychological mind (thought) and from that comes Action.
The atmosphere & surrounding you grow up will slightly scratch your thought (memory), and that will pass your next generation.
I have yet to find someone that "remembers" their previous life as something other than a human. I'm skeptical of this reincarnation.
I believe who wishes to reincarnate will reincarnate, I don´t believe it´s a never ending cycle! It´s merely a "Physical experience" This 3rd dimension is of chaos, inperfection, and there´s nothing in so called hell what´s not here on this plain of exisitance........................
As we grow from childhood to adulthood, our body completely changes. The child body has actually disintegrated and returned to the world it came from, just like death. The physical substance of our bodies is completely refreshed every 10 years or so! This is a kind of rebirth into various bodies even within our lifetime. We are like a standing wave of transitory matter. What a strange and wonderful experience life is!
alright everett nowack. judging by your name, you probably don't know that much about it
@@angienagtalon9691 You judge people by their names?
I don't understand. If i am a record, just a knowledge...no eternity for me. Then why i am exist? What is the point? In cristianity is very simple we go to heaven or hell . Soul is just a light. And light is life. Light is life.
Could one atom in every living entity contain the bluprint for all life forms. After all, split an atom and the energy released is unbelievable! So there may be a set number of life forces for every living entity including bacteria, fungi etc etc. Could we reincarnate as a tree, an ant a dandelion next? A very good reason to look after the planet whilst a human!!!
Interesting idea.
He accuses those that believe in reincarnation of believing it because they need comfort. I'd take that as HE does NOT.
That´s how I understood it too..........................
Craving and clinging continues..so long as there's hunger ...we shall feed.
I believe that people do re-incarnate, they forget their identity but the atom or deep in string theory "energies" that make up another human do share some properties of before-life identical atoms. I don't believe in god but there is a possibility of mastery over life and death as evolution evolves human beings. This hasn't haven't yet but hypothetically its possible
All The univerese, is mental... Só don't think, Just be there... There are things that cannot be explained by any words, IF you do that don't find...
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we don’t die.We were never born either.What is we?
Wow, so he didn't say anything substantial about reincarnation here. He just got to the point were people die and how that changes your mind and then the video stops...
Yes. Disappointed. And although he was considered so saintly etc I do wish he wouldn't keep saying "Right?" To his audience. Why do people do that?
We reincarnate every second of life, until we die, and that is the end of the show.
This person has the answer to life’s biggest mystery! Give him an award 😂
Wow ❤😊
If you self judge & judge others, you attached to the other people judgement towards yourself or even you attached to your actions or your past response to your history, there will be continuity. It is YOU carry the imprint of the past and future. God doesn't. And you are that.
I understand what you mean.
so, death is just an ending?
He did not answer the question.
Full leacture?
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@@kft Thank you.
If u cheating others next life same person may cheat you... your wife daughter... so avoid cheating others
Reincarnation of your self is a preposterous idea.Nothing survives death.Your minds synaptic signals cease.Take rest, Take rest.
Ohhh Brice knows the biggest answer of mankind 😂
Energy cannot be destroyed so how do u believe that consciousness is ending at death. It will continue to exist.
User-qx2dz9zu31 it ends its illusion of duality
Soul consciousness vs ego consciousness
Can u please explain wt did u mean?🥲
Take it one game at a time
Not quite answering the question. Gurdjieff has a different take. It appears he thinks it is the Universe which does for its own purposes. It supplies the bodies. Others suggest that our senses misinterpret what is occurring in a negative manner. Jesus says the Kingdom of Heaven is Within Already and we can All share in the nature of his Father which he shares in.
He confuses the hell out of me😅...Juddu is one the of the few original thinkers but his materials confuse for sure
Deliberately so,he was mischievously provocative because he wanted you to realise things from within yourself (which is the only way anyone can)
There are as many chess games to play as there are protons in the universe, this is the only piece of information that ever tru,y staggered me
One life is one chess game. I personally believe that we are afforded one reincarnation for each entire universe, i.e. for every big bang
You won't know life again until this whole universe is gone Multiverses are merely protons on a larger level but still.. infinitesimally tiny all the same. Talk of morality it is m e rely adaptation to your immediate environment we do what we feel is best Most of those (potential) "chess games" are futile and not worth playing out and most of us make the best we can of a stalemate Alot of them don't want to reincarnate, no one does reincarnate really but you will exist again somehow it's not reincarnation it is the law of similitudes it's like the Chinese game mahjong
I have these same thoughts
What if instead of being rewarded for good karma the game of life just ups the difficulty and lets you have another go 😱
Who said life was about rewards? It’s not a game show 😅
How can someone have a career in which they speak so much, yet say so little. The pattern: ask the question about six or seven times with increasingly intense emphasis, ask the audience if they understand about as many times despite it being very simple, then allude to the fact that others' answers are wrong without ever clearly providing one of his own. Then finally, as the viewer, pretend that what he said was utterly profound rather than admitting the emperor has no clothes.
I can already see the scathing replies to this comment. Say what you want, but I know nothing of value was imparted in this video. It's a vapid bluff. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. There's nothing wrong with self-betterment through meditative or even spiritual practices, but I take exception to those who hijack others' journeys of self-discovery with their own cults of personality.
SHUTUP! Shut up! You'll ruin everything! 🤐
You have not understood a word of his teachings. Not one single word.
Because he wants you to realise it yourself.He cannot give you answers,no one can (except on a base level) because realisation can only come from within you,no one can teach you or pass it on to you.
He said in one of his talks that his public talks weren't about a personality cult
By saying you 'know' nothing of value was imparted, you have closed your mind. One of the overarching themes of his teaching is realizing the limitation of your supposed knowledge. Do you actually know nothing of value was imparted? Or have you simply not found it yet?
Understanding requires an open mind, and persistence through lack of understanding. The discomfort of not understanding makes you run to the comfort of your thoughts and knowledge, and you will never find peace or understanding through these means.
Namaskaram and thank you
Destroy the reincarnation theory
The source!
Core.
it is aham vruthi that craves for rebirth as acharya prasanth says
JK❤
JK never disappoints. An honest man. Reincarnation is as much bullshit as heaven and hell. There is no "soul".
Well sorry, I don’t understand.
That's okay, push onwards through your lack of understanding and it will come in time, it takes very much strength to say "I do not understand" and to move forwards seeking understanding. Keep studying Krishnamurti and practicing meditation, understanding comes when thought stands still.
TheDevaser there is not much to understand unless you end your self centred ego you will go on in the reincarnation cycle
Dying of the centre put together by thought leaves the eternal Mind which has no attachment. The No-mind of Zen. This is a proper Death ! Yes he still is not clear about reincarnation......
Non answer to the question
Dry. His personal theory. He doesn't actually know anymore than anyone else, perhaps less than some who may have experienced certain things.
3.27, or that centre.....whatever you call yours, soul for some is there due to training from childhood by others, environment, ecperience and so on; K. " " I wonder if one can see this" is put together by thought. When that thing that is in you, the one that organises thoughts dies, then you are finished. I. Imagine one does not have to physically dies to know how this works. I will use my experience. One time the doctors put me to sleep. They wanted to access my inside. Between the room of mrdicine and the waking up room my thoughts we not involved in my life in any way. Could death be the same? I believe so.