I like the way tv show handled Robb grieving for Ned better than the book. How Catelyn finds him smashing his sword into a tree, tucked away from his men.
Still wish we would of seen Robb fighting in one battle fighting alongside Greywind. Even if they had him get injured early on and that's how he meets or consumates his relationship with Talisa.
@eoe123321 I know what you mean. The whispering wood battle would of been so cool to see even just a quick 5 minutes of them catching Jaime. If Blackwater while an amazing episode could of been a lot more action packed with a better budget. At this rate I'm just hoping we get an animated reboot for the seried more book based but also incorporating elements from the show. That way budget wouldn't really be an issue and the story could have the proper time it deserves. Also A Song of Ice and Fire as a whole just screams with visual potential.
Notorious audio books are fun as well especially if you are in a car trip or cleaning/doing other various things and can’t sit down and read. I think it’s good to experience both reading it yourself and listening to an audio book.
@@momookus5409 no, audiobooks are fine for small stuff everyday books but fantasy books and great legendary book series like A song of ice and fire on an audiobook? hell no
Especially being that he says Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring are gonna cover 3,000 manuscript pages between them. Maybe he should put more pages into each of the books. Cat and Robb and Jeyne, though they're deaths might have been narratively inevitable, I think died too soon. Maybe he should've fleshed those characters out more. He's a great writer and could've found a way. But that's just my opinion.
@@evn2787 you have never listened to the audiobooks of the lord of the rings i'm assuming. For a song of fire and ice audiobooks would be very easy to listen to due to the fact that the chapters are so small. Give it a go my friend sasin 😉.
@@TheSands83 Same. Part of me wishes Robb was a viewpoint character so I could love him even more, but the other part of me is almost glad he wasn't because then his death would be even sadder
There are many characters who could or should have had POV chapters, but two that definitely should NEVER have them are Petyr and Varys. Those two are the greatest schemers in the series, and it would reveal far too much to see the way their heads work -- in fact, I'd argue that it wouldn't even be possible to accurately portray how their heads work with just a chapter. They analyse and plot so much in such a short period of time, and if you could fit that into a chapter, it would ruin the mystery of them and the awe of their vast intelligence and knowledge to have it laid bare.
What bothers me is how neither appear to think or care about Jon's ancestry (I'm saying based on the show, didn't get to buy the books in english yet). I mean, Ned stark appears with a baby and says it's his bastard. People don't even seem to question that he is his bastard even though honorable Ned should be more prone to lie than to dishonor his wife. It's just this thing that really bothers me, principally considering the fact that he was rescuing his sister which, according to what people though that happened, was raped. It's just like everyone is so prone to dishonor that they just dismiss Ned lying completely.
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 because nobody actually knew what happened at the tower of joy, they didn't know he went there to rescue lyanna. And while it's out of character for Ned to have a bastard, it's not impossible. A young man In the stress of a war to avenge his father and brother visiting a whorehouse isn't even unlikely. Mostly though it's that Jon looks so much like a stark, he takes so much after his mother (and by extension uncle) that people assume he has to be neds. People also still subscribe to the lyanna was kidnapped theory, why would Ned raise a rape baby that started a war?
defo agree that's what I thought was the reason Robb didn't have a pov because we would get to see the mind of a king how he feels I thought George wanted Robb to feel like a king have more mystery to him and importance
I hope they get a pov chapter if or when either dies. But not their first chapter be their death, the first would set up what they plan to do the second where it all unravels.
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 because they all knew he had been boinking Ashara before marrying Catelyn. the obvious explanation was the easiest to them. And after Ashara "killed" herself there was no real way to verify the information. For whatever reason the Daynes respected Ned Stark regardless of what he had done (the future Dayne heir is named after him) and seems like they wouldn't have contradicted Ned's lies.
Davi Matos because people make jokes? Hahaha dude GRRM just has no more inspiration or has put himself in a bind with all these new viewpoints he keeps adding.
Sometimes it’s for the best that the most interesting characters don’t have POV chapters, and instead we observe them through others. For me, the most interesting characters are Stannis, Tywin, Baelish and Varys. None of them are POV, and that’s a good thing. It’s more mysterious and interesting that we view Stannis through the eyes of Davos and Jon, we view Baelish through the eyes of Sansa etc. It keeps us guessing and makes for a better story
Varys at least could benefit from a POV. Littlefinger is a bit less ambiguous but Varys seems to just be doing stuff to be doing it. Like I only knew Kevan was gonna die since it was the epilogue, and having it be Varys was a nice surprise, but still a bit random. And I know what they're setting up but a bit more light on the subject would've made his death a bit more impactful, I feel
I think huge part of Robb's downfall were Tully's. They did more wrong to him than Lannisters, to be honest. Catelyn releasing Jaime, Edmure ignoring his orders, Lysa ignoring calls for help.
Robb had many downfalls that led to his demise, not just one. Him breaking his vow, his foolish mother, and his compassion for his enemy. Grrm shows the consequence of following your heart instead of your head. And both Robb and Cat were guilty of this. In most shows and movies, somehow following your heart magically usually works out. Thats why i like GOT, it's doesnt do the usual heart wins out. Its like a breath of fresh air from the same old same old.
@@mustafaal-ghezi1757 Well yeah it's not like if you follow your heart you will automatically be punished, always, no matter what you do. That would be as stupid as never being punished for that. And maybe not in the last season but in the past Jon Snow has been punished for following his heart.
I don't understand the hate for book Stannis. I get that he isn't that likable a person, but his story is compelling even if he is something of a "doomed pretender". I like the central contradiction of his stubborn rigid commitment to "the law", even when by that same law his right to the throne is not legitimate since Robert was not a legitimate king.
well aegon targaryan took westeros by force, the same way robert did. a point mr Martin is trying to make is that succsession is not a clear cut issue, just like in the real world..
@monokhem burning Florent was right, traitor little piece of shit he was, trying to put Shireen in the hands of Tywin Lannister, only God knows what Tywin would have done to the child, besides killing her.
I agree that Robb works better as a non POV character but I wish there was a chapter with Ned and Robb (maybe Ned councilling Robb about running Winterfell before he heads south) and Jon and Robb (maybe a scene where they have a competitive duel in the yard, taunting each other as they're trying to get the better of each other) before they go their separate ways just to build those relationships a bit more.
For the R+L=J reveal, I kind of want to see Bran enter the weirwood net at the end of a chapter, and then you’re plunged into a full Rhaegar POV... but Rhaegar is highly romanticized by virtually every character except Robert, so I don’t know if I’d rather see how human he is, or for him to remain shrouded in mystery as this perfect person
assuming it happens, GRRM has stated many times the books and show are very different. what would be cool is if Jon dies BEFORE we find out the truth (i mean dies for real, we know he is atleast consious in Ghost due to chapters already released.) I personally doubt R+L=J though. too much emphasis on his stark looks, combined with emphasis that targs all look a certain way but starks don't (ie targ blood is dominant but stark isn't), and too much reference to the seed is strong. plus the plan makes no sense in a realistic world so i doubt GRRM would make it. AND i doubt GRRM would give 2 major spoilers for the books R+L=J AND Jon survives.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 really?? off course he would he told them how shit ends i mean he even gave away hold the door. Alot of people though before even on the show r+l=J and really big spoiler he survives? i mean brotherhood had the whole thing about bring people back to life and even she saw him a human then wolf then human.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 It would be a massive divergence from the show if that turned to be different in the books. Seems like really central and important plot points. And the reason why Targaryen features didn't seem to vary that much was mainly because they were all inbred. It's perfectly possible that if a Targaryen had a child with a Stark the child might have predominantly Stark features.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Targaryen blood isn't necessarily "dominant." There are plenty of examples in the books: Rhaegar's daughter looked Dornish, Rhaenyra Targaryen's oldest sons all had brown hair and eyes (giving suspicion that they were bastards who looked like their biological father), and Robert Baratheon's paternal grandmother was a Targaryen and his brothers and bastards all look like Baratheons. The fact that Jon looks like a Stark could easily mean he takes after Lyanna.
@@davidhoward2237 He didn't tell them ..... he asked them who they thought Jon Snows mother was. After they answered he then gave them permission to do the show. You seem to assume he did that because they got the answer right. But quite likely it may be the opposite. Don't you think it is a coincidence that he suddenly stopped releasing material after that point. Nothing has come out despite being years over due. My guess is the next books are already written and he is merely waiting for the series to end so he can reveal his own true ending to the saga different and distinct from the show.
I've always wished Robb had chapters in A Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords. He didn't really need any in the first book but I really would've liked to see his conquest in the Westerlands, marrying Jeyne, etc. And in A Storm of Swords he could've had a couple chapters where he slowly realized he was losing the war, and his decision to put the burden he has on his only remaining sibling (Jon)
i would like to see this video from inverviewers perspective her cryptic dialogue in this part was what really got me: *laughs* - ymhy *laughs - Humphhh - aughhhhmphh - Humpth *points somewhere*
It would have been great to have Tywin be a POV in one book, or at least in one prologue. It would be good to see what he thinks about everything that has happened in his life, including the death of his wife. It would also be a good way to explore his preoccupation of legacy due to the inevitability of death.
yes but tywin was one the greatest players of the game. i don't think george wants us to know whats going on in the head of great players like tywin or littlefinger or varys
WhatNameShouldIChoose 1 saying this guy is a genius is insulting to actual genius authors like Milton, Joyce, Nabokov, Krasznahorkai, Proust, Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Gogol, Flaubert, etc.
ScarzChosenspokesmen yeah, no. Popularity is not a sign of greatness. The unique style of an author, his prose, is a great sign of greatness. Grrm's prose is extremely bad. Also, those authors i listed all passed the ultimate filter : The Time filter.
@@williamdrouin8063 what on earth are you talking about he is an absolutely superb writer and his style is definitely unique. You do not acheive this level of worldwide popularity for this long without having some element of greatness in your work. You, my friend, are the definition of a hater. There is 0 evidence to backup your negative opinions which is a strong indicator that these opinions are purely emotionally driven. My guess is jealousy but perhaps it is something else. Using the element of time as an argument against him is clutching at straws to say the very least. The books were released almost two decades ago and yet there popularity is still on an upward trend.
I liked Robb so much, wished he had POV. Also, even if he died that way, it should have happened much later. For two entire books, Lannisters have somewhat won the war already, somewhat not, and Riverrun has bern at war since book 1!
Rob was such an awesome character and predecessor of his father, they could have focused much more on him mase him a view point character but I believe they did enough for him and his wife to really grab your heart at the red wedding
If/when he finnishes the main story, and feels like doing more, I'd be fine with a spinn off book focusing on Robb's perspective off it all just as a bonus story. Called the young wolf or something. In fact I'd be pretty hyped with some spinn off smaller books dealing with the perspective of interesting characters that didn't get povs in the original books. But only after the main story is finnished. So that book (those books) would not need to surprise us, as they would simply be adding to an already known story and simply fleshing out some bits that where not before.
@@specialknees6798 I wouldn't ever think of saying he's wrong, I just wish he has told the people in the show that's how to say it, because now the way the creator says it is interesting, instead of the other way around.
For me, main strenght of Ice and Fire series,thus GRRM is amazingly well written characters. Not only main characters but other minor POV characters and their stories are just amazing. Varamyr Six Skins for example. Also POV chapters of Oakenheart, Areo, Griff, Arienne are my favorites. A Dothraki POV would have been awesome as well. A POV for Stannis would be most welcome as well as any of older Tyrell brothers in future books
It's an artistic choice I think Rob was one of the most interesting characters without having to hear his own personal interior dialogue. In my opinion storm swords was the best book. A dance with dragons definitely drags on for some time.
@@PointlessRhetoric Maybe he'll release one day a novella with the events of the war of the five kings seen from Robb's point of view. (After he finished the mains series, which will probably happen over 40 years or so.)
I believe it adds to the aura of “the king in the north” or “the young wolf” because we only see him as a the world sees him, a rapidly growing legend. A young boy turning into a king through sheer will and grief. We hear the stories and we believe the legend as much as the characters. Thus making his Demise that more unexpected and impactful
It would have been cool to see at least a couple chapters of Stannis , Robb , Tywin , Littlefinger Hound , and maybe a couple other characters have their own povs. I completely understand why they don't though.
Actually a chapter of littlefinger would ruin everything because it will be the biggest spoiler of all time, since he and varys are the greatest players in the game of thrones
As Robb is my favorite character, and that’s a combo of the books and show, I would have loved for him to be view point. But, despite the fact he isn’t he’s still my favorite.
I do believe making Robb a viewpoint character would of been an even greater punch in the gut when he passes in The Red Wedding. We would of saw the eyes of a boy who was made into a king. Therefore, we would of saw all his doubts and insecurities, maybe a growth in confidence throughout his reign. We would of saw his ups and downs and his reasons on why he made the decisions that he did. Then we would see that boy be killed through the eyes of his mother and the reader would truly feel that pain because we connected with him throughout his story. One of my main criticisms of the book.
I think there are some characters you just can't have as POV characters because having their view would ruin all the scheming, mysteries and cliffhangers. Not having a POV chapter doesn't make the character any less important. Imagine if we had a major Frey as a POV character that would have ruined their turning on Robb. Or if we had a Robb as POV character that would have ruined the surprising plan to lure the Lannisters to the west (which Edmure ruined). I could go on but you get the point.
I actually appreciate the fact that GRRM is willing to admit his uncertainty or insecurity about whether or not he made the right choices at certain points, and that he is happy to admit that, given a second chance, there are things he would or at least might consider changing about his books to try and improve them. To me, when a writer is asked, "Looking back, is there anything you would change about this story?" and their answer is 'no', I find that really disappointing. I consider that line of thought to be tantamount to admitting that they have peaked as a writer, and that they even now, years later with all the wisdom and experience and hindsight that they have gained since they made that story, that they still could not hope to top what they did many years ago. And I think that's sad; even if it might be true in some (or many) writers' cases, I would like to think that most great writers at least consider themselves to be in a constant state of learning, and getting better at what they do. Just flat out admitting that your best work is behind you is awfully pessimistic. And mind you, that is a generous and optimistic view on that position. Such thinking could easily be misinterpreted as arrogance, thinking that what they did was basically perfect, and that changing anything could only ruin it, which is stupid to even consider. But I'm sure some people really do think that way, and frankly I couldn't care less how many credentials and awards they have, every work can be improved.
Robb Stark's death was heartbreaking but also epic. It emphasized just how diabolically cruel the world of Westeros really is and just how far people were willing to go to win the 'Game of Thrones'. A pure heart certainly was a disadvantage because a good person couldn't fathom just how evil people can be.
I always felt like we needed at least one Tywin viewpoint chapter to sort of understand his motivations and why he did the things he did to Tyrion and others. There just doesn't seem like closure once Tyrion kills him.
To be honest I think it’s better that robb isn’t a view point character adds more of a mystery to him and the stories others tell of him make him sound more badass then if you were just inside his head
Stanis, Rob, and Greywind, are my favorite and they are under rated imo. Rob is a child when asked to honor his family name. Stanis is the black sheep and is a man of his word regardless of who doesnt agree. Grey wind is ready to die for who or what he loves, just like the two characters mentioned.
Justin Harris Yeah but in the books it comes down to his honor. He marries Jayne because of his honor, showing that same fatal flaw his father had, so the book also has an argument for being better
Well, partly it's because they killed the Jeyne Westerling/Spicer plotline in the show, but why they changed the name...I don't know. I seem to recall there were going to be allusions made to Essos with Talisa, but that never happend so *shrug*
Martin uses the laws of attraction while writing about charcters who are only seen from another characters perspective. The Tyrell's and Robb Stark are more interesting because of the mystery around them. All we see is good acts from a 3rd person perspective. It's easier to romanticise a person when you don't really know them and that makes them more appealing as a result because you use your imagination to fill in the blanks. They can seem like great people, but you don't really know them. You just know what you're told through other people or in this case, characters in a book. Robb was a good person from the viewpoint of his mother but he made countless mistakes and it was ultimately his bad decisions that got his entire army slaughtered. That doesn't make him a bad person, but he was heavily flawed due to his young age. His decision to marry outside of the Frey family was breaking an oath, not a good way to form an alliance when you're a newly crowned king. It showed that his word was useless. His second big mistake was mistrust in his mother, who let Jamie escape and it resulted in him executing Lord Karstark who was rightfully in a rage over Cat's betrayal. I guess you could even say Cat played a huge role in their downfall. None of this excuses the Frey's and Boltons betrayal at the wedding, but Robb was a young idiot with an overly protective and paranoid mother. The Tyrell's do a lot of a good things for the common folk but it's only an intelligent strategy to gain support and win the crown. It can't be more obvious. Lol they started with Renly, not Joff. They are opportunist. Had Renly lived, they would have attacked and killed the same people they fed when they came to kings landing. It was all situational.
Basically, it is all her fault. Somewhere at the beginning she states something like "all that wouldnt have happened if I had been able to love a lonely bastard child" (I didnt read it in english), which is very true to begin with. Then she captures tyrion, which causes a lot of trouble, and then she releases jaime, which causes even more trouble. For me she is the main reason for the fall of the starks.
Similar thing can be said for Tywin. I really liked reading the occasional tid-bits that came from other characters telling tales to one another of his background and his ruthlessness.
@@gregmurray9214 In a way, the same thing killed both Robb and Tywin. While being completely different characters, their demise was to completely underestimate the influence their heart-based decisions could have.
I for one am glad that Ser Arys had a chapter of his own; I find him endearing and tragic, especially since Arianne admits to herself in a Winds of Winter pre-released chapter that she was using him rather than having genuine affection for him. I’m rereading the books now and whenever Ser Arys shows up I’m so happy.
as a TV-only person, I would’ve liked even more with Robb Stark, and even Rickon, before they died. and I hear that I’m missing out on Catelyn Stark/Lady Stoneheart. and come to think of it, I would’ve liked the Stark children to have more time together in the beginning and building upon their relationships before they all split up and start their separate adventures...
Just read the books dude, the worst storyline in the show which is Dorne is actually (arguably) the best story in the books with fully fleshed out and coherent characters and that is juste one example among so many others
I love in the book in Riverrun where rob has a meeting and it's Rob sitting in the Lord's chair with a sword across his lap an iron crown on his head and greywind at his side. The way it's described is so good
@@christianalbert7082 I've seen a lot of people say they like the audio book narrator for the series so if you want to check it out, start with A Game of Thrones, then A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, and A Dance With Dragons
I'm with you on Margaery, but not on the Queen of Thorns. She has too many secrets rattling around in that head of hers, and being in their viewpoint does bring a character down to our level. I like her at the same level I like Tywin - distant, in charge, and bigger than life. A Mace chapter would be funny, though.
@@roguishpaladin You're right now that you point that out, Queen of Thorns would reveal too much. Just like Tywin or Littlefinger. But we should get at least one Margaery chapter. Or maybe even a Loras POV.
If there were a happy ending.. Robb would be perfect for it. He really had everything to become a great king and it would've been fun to watch him become that.
@Albert Twangle he's in the books, not the show. There are several interesting characters in the books that didn't make it onto the show. For that matter the princess he had an affair with wasn't on the show either
Given how enormously Benjen's disappearance weighted on the Night's Watch in the first books, and specially on Jon and the Old Bear, I do wish we had been able to know him longer than we did. As the book series stands now, we don't really share the feeling of loss that the characters did.
I like the minor viewpoint characters, as long as it's not done too often. e.g. I was invested in the Dorne plotline because of Arys. I also like those greater scope moments when you realise a plotline's not really about who you thought it was about. So in that case, we start with Arys' viewpoint in what's clearly Arianne's story, then switch to Arianne's viewpoint in what we realise is actually Doran's story.
i think having a dothraki view point character would be cool as hell. depending on when they were introduced that would mean early on we have more pov chapters in Essos rather than just Dany
I was gonna correct his pronunciation of Dothraki for a second before remembering he outranks me.
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Haha, if that ain't the truth 😂
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I think he actually said Dothrakan, but in a different way
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adding more pages developing rob would only mean adding more tears to my eyes
fuck rob and fuck catelyn, i m glad got shanked
@@andresmontero7481 fuck you
Darth Melon Heya Joffrey, didn't know they had wifi in seven hells..
Darth Melon you are more evil than Euron in the show.
@@andresmontero7481 must be hard being so angsty and edgy.
I like the way tv show handled Robb grieving for Ned better than the book. How Catelyn finds him smashing his sword into a tree, tucked away from his men.
The showrunners said they like the actor so much they expanded his scenes.
Still wish we would of seen Robb fighting in one battle fighting alongside Greywind. Even if they had him get injured early on and that's how he meets or consumates his relationship with Talisa.
@eoe123321 I know what you mean. The whispering wood battle would of been so cool to see even just a quick 5 minutes of them catching Jaime. If Blackwater while an amazing episode could of been a lot more action packed with a better budget. At this rate I'm just hoping we get an animated reboot for the seried more book based but also incorporating elements from the show. That way budget wouldn't really be an issue and the story could have the proper time it deserves. Also A Song of Ice and Fire as a whole just screams with visual potential.
Typhoo Lannister Would’ve
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I always wish Robb was a viewpoint character... I could have dealt with 1300 pages no problem 😞
Shit especially with audio books nowadays
Notorious audio books are fun as well especially if you are in a car trip or cleaning/doing other various things and can’t sit down and read. I think it’s good to experience both reading it yourself and listening to an audio book.
@@momookus5409 no, audiobooks are fine for small stuff everyday books but fantasy books and great legendary book series like A song of ice and fire on an audiobook? hell no
Especially being that he says Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring are gonna cover 3,000 manuscript pages between them. Maybe he should put more pages into each of the books. Cat and Robb and Jeyne, though they're deaths might have been narratively inevitable, I think died too soon. Maybe he should've fleshed those characters out more. He's a great writer and could've found a way. But that's just my opinion.
@@evn2787 you have never listened to the audiobooks of the lord of the rings i'm assuming. For a song of fire and ice audiobooks would be very easy to listen to due to the fact that the chapters are so small. Give it a go my friend sasin 😉.
Man Richard Madden made Robb so damn likeable. If only he was a viewpoint character in any of the first three books. 😟
Rob was my favorite character
@@TheSands83 Same. Part of me wishes Robb was a viewpoint character so I could love him even more, but the other part of me is almost glad he wasn't because then his death would be even sadder
He was my favorite character even though he wasn’t a viewpoint character
I think his portrayal in the books works. But I agree Madden brought great power and depth to the role.
Hes even better in the books
I pray to the old gods that George stays healthy...
Valar Morghulis
Valar Dohaeris
Don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. It will all be icing.
I pray to the old gods and the new that he does also🙏🏻
He better just eat rice and fruit....but somehow I don’t believe he does
There are many characters who could or should have had POV chapters, but two that definitely should NEVER have them are Petyr and Varys. Those two are the greatest schemers in the series, and it would reveal far too much to see the way their heads work -- in fact, I'd argue that it wouldn't even be possible to accurately portray how their heads work with just a chapter. They analyse and plot so much in such a short period of time, and if you could fit that into a chapter, it would ruin the mystery of them and the awe of their vast intelligence and knowledge to have it laid bare.
What bothers me is how neither appear to think or care about Jon's ancestry (I'm saying based on the show, didn't get to buy the books in english yet).
I mean, Ned stark appears with a baby and says it's his bastard. People don't even seem to question that he is his bastard even though honorable Ned should be more prone to lie than to dishonor his wife.
It's just this thing that really bothers me, principally considering the fact that he was rescuing his sister which, according to what people though that happened, was raped. It's just like everyone is so prone to dishonor that they just dismiss Ned lying completely.
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 because nobody actually knew what happened at the tower of joy, they didn't know he went there to rescue lyanna.
And while it's out of character for Ned to have a bastard, it's not impossible. A young man In the stress of a war to avenge his father and brother visiting a whorehouse isn't even unlikely.
Mostly though it's that Jon looks so much like a stark, he takes so much after his mother (and by extension uncle) that people assume he has to be neds.
People also still subscribe to the lyanna was kidnapped theory, why would Ned raise a rape baby that started a war?
defo agree that's what I thought was the reason Robb didn't have a pov because we would get to see the mind of a king how he feels I thought George wanted Robb to feel like a king have more mystery to him and importance
I hope they get a pov chapter if or when either dies.
But not their first chapter be their death, the first would set up what they plan to do the second where it all unravels.
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 because they all knew he had been boinking Ashara before marrying Catelyn. the obvious explanation was the easiest to them. And after Ashara "killed" herself there was no real way to verify the information. For whatever reason the Daynes respected Ned Stark regardless of what he had done (the future Dayne heir is named after him) and seems like they wouldn't have contradicted Ned's lies.
He's right, he should have had a Dotraki's viewpoint character, at least someone of importance once Drogo died
I always thought Rakharo could have been that dothraki POV.
Dothrakis seem too simple and single-minded to be a good POV character imo.
@@vylestyle2749 Martin says that Victarion Greyjoy is dumb as a door, but he is a POV character.
Davi Matos because people make jokes? Hahaha dude GRRM just has no more inspiration or has put himself in a bind with all these new viewpoints he keeps adding.
@@vylestyle2749 Halloo Victarion?
Sometimes it’s for the best that the most interesting characters don’t have POV chapters, and instead we observe them through others. For me, the most interesting characters are Stannis, Tywin, Baelish and Varys. None of them are POV, and that’s a good thing. It’s more mysterious and interesting that we view Stannis through the eyes of Davos and Jon, we view Baelish through the eyes of Sansa etc. It keeps us guessing and makes for a better story
Varys at least could benefit from a POV. Littlefinger is a bit less ambiguous but Varys seems to just be doing stuff to be doing it. Like I only knew Kevan was gonna die since it was the epilogue, and having it be Varys was a nice surprise, but still a bit random. And I know what they're setting up but a bit more light on the subject would've made his death a bit more impactful, I feel
Varys would lose a lot of mystery if we had insight into what his actual plans are. I like him just being this cryptic and confusing character.
I think huge part of Robb's downfall were Tully's. They did more wrong to him than Lannisters, to be honest. Catelyn releasing Jaime, Edmure ignoring his orders, Lysa ignoring calls for help.
Edmure didn't ignore his orders, Robb's orders were non-specific.
Robb had many downfalls that led to his demise, not just one. Him breaking his vow, his foolish mother, and his compassion for his enemy. Grrm shows the consequence of following your heart instead of your head. And both Robb and Cat were guilty of this. In most shows and movies, somehow following your heart magically usually works out. Thats why i like GOT, it's doesnt do the usual heart wins out. Its like a breath of fresh air from the same old same old.
@Degenerates Like You Belong On a Cross She's not foreign in the books
Stephen Older yet in the latest season in game of thrones Snow is following his heart the whole time and he is not being punished
@@mustafaal-ghezi1757 Well yeah it's not like if you follow your heart you will automatically be punished, always, no matter what you do. That would be as stupid as never being punished for that. And maybe not in the last season but in the past Jon Snow has been punished for following his heart.
Good things these books are published occasionally, otherwise I'd keep revising them forever.
Brad Bellomo very occasionally
@@travissloan5296 yeah like never!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 to 1 he dies before winds of winter and those are the real odds at ladbrookes not mine lol
Sounds like a certain fantasy novel writer who has been quite the Twitter monster.
Which is why the last two books still haven't been released yet. He is stuck in a perpetual revisal mode.
He's finished he just got to know what a tyrant benioff is and didn't want him to wreck it
I liked that Rob wasn't a POV character, much like Stannis, even though Stannis is my favorite character.
Yves Gomes Stannis the mannis
I don't understand the hate for book Stannis. I get that he isn't that likable a person, but his story is compelling even if he is something of a "doomed pretender". I like the central contradiction of his stubborn rigid commitment to "the law", even when by that same law his right to the throne is not legitimate since Robert was not a legitimate king.
well aegon targaryan took westeros by force, the same way robert did. a point mr Martin is trying to make is that succsession is not a clear cut issue, just like in the real world..
@monokhem burning Florent was right, traitor little piece of shit he was, trying to put Shireen in the hands of Tywin Lannister, only God knows what Tywin would have done to the child, besides killing her.
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 How is he a pretender by rights the kingdom should be his
My boi Sam has big bones don't you dare say he's fat.
Mikhailovick he is *flat*.
(:p)
Mikhailovick nah, he’s fat
I want to like this comment but it currently has the perfect number of 69
He‘s as flat as the earth.
I thinks she might just be complaining about John Bradley cause if so thats a bit shit
I like the idea that Robb’s adventures are told second hand to illustrate how perspective changes what the “facts” are.
Dooling lump brained mush
I agree that Robb works better as a non POV character but I wish there was a chapter with Ned and Robb (maybe Ned councilling Robb about running Winterfell before he heads south) and Jon and Robb (maybe a scene where they have a competitive duel in the yard, taunting each other as they're trying to get the better of each other) before they go their separate ways just to build those relationships a bit more.
A Dothraki point of view character would be amazing.
defAngel shit be hella funny
A dothraki POV chapter without at least three deaths would be considered a dull affair.
@@DT-267K it is known
@@CheminSoleil It is known.
defAngel I would like this viewpoint specifically for The Long Night. But that is me assuming the future books match up closely enough to the show.
Thanks whoever asked that question. Now George is going to spend another year creating and getting into the mind of a random Dothraki rider 🤣🤣
Practically every minor character deserves to be fleshed out more. George just cannot create boring characters. He's a genius.
Richard Madden made Robb my favorite Stark by far. It may have helped he didn’t make it much beyond the book material in the show.
For the R+L=J reveal, I kind of want to see Bran enter the weirwood net at the end of a chapter, and then you’re plunged into a full Rhaegar POV... but Rhaegar is highly romanticized by virtually every character except Robert, so I don’t know if I’d rather see how human he is, or for him to remain shrouded in mystery as this perfect person
assuming it happens, GRRM has stated many times the books and show are very different. what would be cool is if Jon dies BEFORE we find out the truth (i mean dies for real, we know he is atleast consious in Ghost due to chapters already released.)
I personally doubt R+L=J though. too much emphasis on his stark looks, combined with emphasis that targs all look a certain way but starks don't (ie targ blood is dominant but stark isn't), and too much reference to the seed is strong. plus the plan makes no sense in a realistic world so i doubt GRRM would make it. AND i doubt GRRM would give 2 major spoilers for the books R+L=J AND Jon survives.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 really?? off course he would he told them how shit ends i mean he even gave away hold the door. Alot of people though before even on the show r+l=J and really big spoiler he survives? i mean brotherhood had the whole thing about bring people back to life and even she saw him a human then wolf then human.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 It would be a massive divergence from the show if that turned to be different in the books. Seems like really central and important plot points.
And the reason why Targaryen features didn't seem to vary that much was mainly because they were all inbred. It's perfectly possible that if a Targaryen had a child with a Stark the child might have predominantly Stark features.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Targaryen blood isn't necessarily "dominant." There are plenty of examples in the books: Rhaegar's daughter looked Dornish, Rhaenyra Targaryen's oldest sons all had brown hair and eyes (giving suspicion that they were bastards who looked like their biological father), and Robert Baratheon's paternal grandmother was a Targaryen and his brothers and bastards all look like Baratheons. The fact that Jon looks like a Stark could easily mean he takes after Lyanna.
@@davidhoward2237 He didn't tell them ..... he asked them who they thought Jon Snows mother was. After they answered he then gave them permission to do the show.
You seem to assume he did that because they got the answer right. But quite likely it may be the opposite. Don't you think it is a coincidence that he suddenly stopped releasing material after that point. Nothing has come out despite being years over due. My guess is the next books are already written and he is merely waiting for the series to end so he can reveal his own true ending to the saga different and distinct from the show.
I've always wished Robb had chapters in A Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords. He didn't really need any in the first book but I really would've liked to see his conquest in the Westerlands, marrying Jeyne, etc. And in A Storm of Swords he could've had a couple chapters where he slowly realized he was losing the war, and his decision to put the burden he has on his only remaining sibling (Jon)
i would like to see this video from inverviewers perspective her cryptic dialogue in this part was what really got me:
*laughs*
- ymhy
*laughs
- Humphhh
- aughhhhmphh
- Humpth
*points somewhere*
It would have been great to have Tywin be a POV in one book, or at least in one prologue. It would be good to see what he thinks about everything that has happened in his life, including the death of his wife. It would also be a good way to explore his preoccupation of legacy due to the inevitability of death.
yes but tywin was one the greatest players of the game. i don't think george wants us to know whats going on in the head of great players like tywin or littlefinger or varys
This man is a genius.
Erşan Kuneri stfu how’s he lazy this guy is a legend
WhatNameShouldIChoose 1 saying this guy is a genius is insulting to actual genius authors like Milton, Joyce, Nabokov, Krasznahorkai, Proust, Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Gogol, Flaubert, etc.
@@williamdrouin8063 insulting how? He's produced inspired work that will stand the test of time like most on that list
ScarzChosenspokesmen yeah, no. Popularity is not a sign of greatness. The unique style of an author, his prose, is a great sign of greatness. Grrm's prose is extremely bad. Also, those authors i listed all passed the ultimate filter : The Time filter.
@@williamdrouin8063 what on earth are you talking about he is an absolutely superb writer and his style is definitely unique. You do not acheive this level of worldwide popularity for this long without having some element of greatness in your work. You, my friend, are the definition of a hater. There is 0 evidence to backup your negative opinions which is a strong indicator that these opinions are purely emotionally driven. My guess is jealousy but perhaps it is something else. Using the element of time as an argument against him is clutching at straws to say the very least. The books were released almost two decades ago and yet there popularity is still on an upward trend.
Back when only two seasons were out, those were the days
I liked Robb so much, wished he had POV. Also, even if he died that way, it should have happened much later. For two entire books, Lannisters have somewhat won the war already, somewhat not, and Riverrun has bern at war since book 1!
Rob was such an awesome character and predecessor of his father, they could have focused much more on him mase him a view point character but I believe they did enough for him and his wife to really grab your heart at the red wedding
GRRM IS LITERALLY THE BEST THE MORE I WATCH HIM THE MORE I LOVE HIM!
I agree on Robb, Renly and Tywin. He could still do a Dothroki POV when they land on Westeros in the novels.
If/when he finnishes the main story, and feels like doing more, I'd be fine with a spinn off book focusing on Robb's perspective off it all just as a bonus story. Called the young wolf or something. In fact I'd be pretty hyped with some spinn off smaller books dealing with the perspective of interesting characters that didn't get povs in the original books. But only after the main story is finnished. So that book (those books) would not need to surprise us, as they would simply be adding to an already known story and simply fleshing out some bits that where not before.
George R R Martin is a LEGEND!
"I don´t want to switch viewpoint just to have a pair of eyes at a battle" d&d should taken some advice from grrm
Book and film are very different mediums. A survivor telling of a battle is great and exiting in a book but boredom in a show.
Dothrak-EYE? Interesting 4:20
You can’t say he’s wrong🤷♂️
@@specialknees6798 I wouldn't ever think of saying he's wrong, I just wish he has told the people in the show that's how to say it, because now the way the creator says it is interesting, instead of the other way around.
@@Boyzby Yeah he failed there nobody calls it dothrakye except for him which is probobly a bitter slap in the face to him.
killing rob was the most cruel decision
Robb was my favourite character on the show. I think it's mainly attributed to Richard Maddens unique charisma and acting ability.
For me, main strenght of Ice and Fire series,thus GRRM is amazingly well written characters. Not only main characters but other minor POV characters and their stories are just amazing. Varamyr Six Skins for example. Also POV chapters of Oakenheart, Areo, Griff, Arienne are my favorites. A Dothraki POV would have been awesome as well. A POV for Stannis would be most welcome as well as any of older Tyrell brothers in future books
Shitmouth my boy.
You can always write those new chapters, George. I'm just saying I'll read them.
I'll never understand why he virtually ignored Robb, who was my favorite character on the show.
@eoe123321 still hoping we get atleast one Stannis chapter in Winds
It's an artistic choice I think Rob was one of the most interesting characters without having to hear his own personal interior dialogue. In my opinion storm swords was the best book. A dance with dragons definitely drags on for some time.
@@PointlessRhetoric Maybe he'll release one day a novella with the events of the war of the five kings seen from Robb's point of view. (After he finished the mains series, which will probably happen over 40 years or so.)
@@jordenflement man is pushing 80 so I doubt it
I believe it adds to the aura of “the king in the north” or “the young wolf” because we only see him as a the world sees him, a rapidly growing legend. A young boy turning into a king through sheer will and grief. We hear the stories and we believe the legend as much as the characters. Thus making his Demise that more unexpected and impactful
Man if we could've seen Robb and Greywind on the battlefield, tearing Lannister men apart, omg I would've lost my shit!
Grey Wind is THE BEST direwolf!!!!!
zak m He was a KING 🔥🔥🔥 my absolute favorite!
It would have been cool to see at least a couple chapters of Stannis , Robb , Tywin , Littlefinger Hound , and maybe a couple other characters have their own povs. I completely understand why they don't though.
Unfortunately we would get quite a lot of spoilers if we had Tywin or Petyr as POVs. Stannis deserved it more than anyone though.
I'm glad Stannis is first and foremost
No king has chapters. It is known.
RM HP true true and I suppose queens are an exception now that you mention it
Actually a chapter of littlefinger would ruin everything because it will be the biggest spoiler of all time, since he and varys are the greatest players in the game of thrones
I would not mind if there were 10 books instead of 7.... if only they were all written by now
Yeah same but 7 is just the perfect number for the series
i mean we can at least say brienne is fleshed out more than enough.......^^
+läuft Bruh i dont think I've read so many ways to describe someone as hideous as GRRM does Brienne haha.
If I were a king I'd knight her 10 times over
Chris Redfield only another knight need knight another knight
@@rams3955 Har! 😂🤙🏾
In the show I wish they did more with Rickon.
If you're talking about the books, Rickon will most likely show up in Winds!
@@brunopereira6789 he specifically says show you melon
The question are great but RR Martin's answers are so ...deep and thorough. Wow.
As Robb is my favorite character, and that’s a combo of the books and show, I would have loved for him to be view point. But, despite the fact he isn’t he’s still my favorite.
If Robb had been a viewpoint character his death would have literally killed me.
No! The Aerys Oakheart chapter was one of my favourites 😊
To be fair Jonathon Bradley has definitely lost weight
I really liked having Robb’s action happen offscreen.
Oakheart was great!
Yes, i liked that chapter. busted a nut, too. its a shame he dies the next time he shows
@@TheJas20 Big Arabian titties
Oakheart was a simp
the only correct answer here is Renly Baratheon
finally someone said it
Nope.
Mattallica13526 Fock Renly
Eh
Renlys death, just slightly behind Neds is the most important event in the entire story. But I did enjoy his character, so I am inclined to agree😂
I do believe making Robb a viewpoint character would of been an even greater punch in the gut when he passes in The Red Wedding.
We would of saw the eyes of a boy who was made into a king. Therefore, we would of saw all his doubts and insecurities, maybe a growth in confidence throughout his reign. We would of saw his ups and downs and his reasons on why he made the decisions that he did. Then we would see that boy be killed through the eyes of his mother and the reader would truly feel that pain because we connected with him throughout his story.
One of my main criticisms of the book.
Exactly!
What a wonderful question, cudos to her!
In the movies Rickon deserves more
This lady ripping on Sam in the first 10 seconds... PepeHands
I think there are some characters you just can't have as POV characters because having their view would ruin all the scheming, mysteries and cliffhangers. Not having a POV chapter doesn't make the character any less important. Imagine if we had a major Frey as a POV character that would have ruined their turning on Robb. Or if we had a Robb as POV character that would have ruined the surprising plan to lure the Lannisters to the west (which Edmure ruined). I could go on but you get the point.
He should give a POV to the Tyrells, preferably Garlan; he needs more attention.
I actually appreciate the fact that GRRM is willing to admit his uncertainty or insecurity about whether or not he made the right choices at certain points, and that he is happy to admit that, given a second chance, there are things he would or at least might consider changing about his books to try and improve them. To me, when a writer is asked, "Looking back, is there anything you would change about this story?" and their answer is 'no', I find that really disappointing. I consider that line of thought to be tantamount to admitting that they have peaked as a writer, and that they even now, years later with all the wisdom and experience and hindsight that they have gained since they made that story, that they still could not hope to top what they did many years ago. And I think that's sad; even if it might be true in some (or many) writers' cases, I would like to think that most great writers at least consider themselves to be in a constant state of learning, and getting better at what they do. Just flat out admitting that your best work is behind you is awfully pessimistic.
And mind you, that is a generous and optimistic view on that position. Such thinking could easily be misinterpreted as arrogance, thinking that what they did was basically perfect, and that changing anything could only ruin it, which is stupid to even consider. But I'm sure some people really do think that way, and frankly I couldn't care less how many credentials and awards they have, every work can be improved.
Robb Stark's death was heartbreaking but also epic. It emphasized just how diabolically cruel the world of Westeros really is and just how far people were willing to go to win the 'Game of Thrones'. A pure heart certainly was a disadvantage because a good person couldn't fathom just how evil people can be.
That was a pretty good question
Robb Stark is the best leader in the entire series!!
I always felt like we needed at least one Tywin viewpoint chapter to sort of understand his motivations and why he did the things he did to Tyrion and others. There just doesn't seem like closure once Tyrion kills him.
Well...if we did, it would conclusively prove or disprove whether Tyrion is Aerys's bastard. I don't think GRRM's ready for that yet.
@@roguishpaladin its absurd to think he is
To be honest I think it’s better that robb isn’t a view point character adds more of a mystery to him and the stories others tell of him make him sound more badass then if you were just inside his head
Kind of redundant to have both Robb and Catelyn telling the same story
Stanis, Rob, and Greywind, are my favorite and they are under rated imo. Rob is a child when asked to honor his family name. Stanis is the black sheep and is a man of his word regardless of who doesnt agree. Grey wind is ready to die for who or what he loves, just like the two characters mentioned.
I love the Arys chapter. It shows the mindset of a regular Kingsguard member with his adoration of Criston Cole and hunger for glory.
This was a great question. Kudos!
What an incredibly interesting and patient speaker and wonderful Author. Long may He live!
I never understood why they did away with Jayne Westerling and had Talisa instead.
Justin Harris
Yeah but in the books it comes down to his honor. He marries Jayne because of his honor, showing that same fatal flaw his father had, so the book also has an argument for being better
Well, partly it's because they killed the Jeyne Westerling/Spicer plotline in the show, but why they changed the name...I don't know. I seem to recall there were going to be allusions made to Essos with Talisa, but that never happend so *shrug*
Because the entire story of Jeyne Westerling was dumb as fuck. She's an awful 'character'.
roguishpaladin
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@@tiaaaron3278 no
I love how he just keeps talking lol
These snippets are so cool.
Martin uses the laws of attraction while writing about charcters who are only seen from another characters perspective. The Tyrell's and Robb Stark are more interesting because of the mystery around them. All we see is good acts from a 3rd person perspective. It's easier to romanticise a person when you don't really know them and that makes them more appealing as a result because you use your imagination to fill in the blanks. They can seem like great people, but you don't really know them. You just know what you're told through other people or in this case, characters in a book.
Robb was a good person from the viewpoint of his mother but he made countless mistakes and it was ultimately his bad decisions that got his entire army slaughtered. That doesn't make him a bad person, but he was heavily flawed due to his young age. His decision to marry outside of the Frey family was breaking an oath, not a good way to form an alliance when you're a newly crowned king. It showed that his word was useless. His second big mistake was mistrust in his mother, who let Jamie escape and it resulted in him executing Lord Karstark who was rightfully in a rage over Cat's betrayal. I guess you could even say Cat played a huge role in their downfall.
None of this excuses the Frey's and Boltons betrayal at the wedding, but Robb was a young idiot with an overly protective and paranoid mother.
The Tyrell's do a lot of a good things for the common folk but it's only an intelligent strategy to gain support and win the crown. It can't be more obvious. Lol they started with Renly, not Joff. They are opportunist. Had Renly lived, they would have attacked and killed the same people they fed when they came to kings landing. It was all situational.
Ben Button Give him a bit of credit, he won every battle he fought.
He was flawes outside the battlefield
Basically, it is all her fault. Somewhere at the beginning she states something like "all that wouldnt have happened if I had been able to love a lonely bastard child" (I didnt read it in english), which is very true to begin with. Then she captures tyrion, which causes a lot of trouble, and then she releases jaime, which causes even more trouble. For me she is the main reason for the fall of the starks.
Similar thing can be said for Tywin. I really liked reading the occasional tid-bits that came from other characters telling tales to one another of his background and his ruthlessness.
@@gregmurray9214 In a way, the same thing killed both Robb and Tywin. While being completely different characters, their demise was to completely underestimate the influence their heart-based decisions could have.
after ned i always thought robb was the main character wish he had povs
Yes, I wish he had fleshed Robb out more and given him a POV. He was my fave character.
I for one am glad that Ser Arys had a chapter of his own; I find him endearing and tragic, especially since Arianne admits to herself in a Winds of Winter pre-released chapter that she was using him rather than having genuine affection for him. I’m rereading the books now and whenever Ser Arys shows up I’m so happy.
I liked how Robb was just an extension of Catelyn.
as a TV-only person, I would’ve liked even more with Robb Stark, and even Rickon, before they died. and I hear that I’m missing out on Catelyn Stark/Lady Stoneheart.
and come to think of it, I would’ve liked the Stark children to have more time together in the beginning and building upon their relationships before they all split up and start their separate adventures...
You'd love the books ;)
Just read the books dude, the worst storyline in the show which is Dorne is actually (arguably) the best story in the books with fully fleshed out and coherent characters and that is juste one example among so many others
Making Arys Oakheart a POV was great as it made the end of his single chapter a huge shock
I love in the book in Riverrun where rob has a meeting and it's Rob sitting in the Lord's chair with a sword across his lap an iron crown on his head and greywind at his side. The way it's described is so good
Is this where Bran says he's acting like "Lord Robb" or something
I can’t stand reading but, these books really intrigue me. I’ve heard books on tape can be really helpful
@@christianalbert7082 I've seen a lot of people say they like the audio book narrator for the series so if you want to check it out, start with A Game of Thrones, then A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, and A Dance With Dragons
Where’s fire and ice
@@christianalbert7082 Oh A Song of Ice and Fire is the book series name not an actual book
Tyrell definitely deserves POV characters such as Margaery and the Queen of Thorns.
I'm with you on Margaery, but not on the Queen of Thorns. She has too many secrets rattling around in that head of hers, and being in their viewpoint does bring a character down to our level. I like her at the same level I like Tywin - distant, in charge, and bigger than life.
A Mace chapter would be funny, though.
@@roguishpaladin You're right now that you point that out, Queen of Thorns would reveal too much. Just like Tywin or Littlefinger. But we should get at least one Margaery chapter. Or maybe even a Loras POV.
If there were a happy ending.. Robb would be perfect for it. He really had everything to become a great king and it would've been fun to watch him become that.
I'm glad Ares Oakheart had a pov chapter. Gave us a look into what led to his decision as well as the internal conflict he had. I see no harm in it.
@Albert Twangle he's in the books, not the show. There are several interesting characters in the books that didn't make it onto the show. For that matter the princess he had an affair with wasn't on the show either
i always thought he should have fleshed out the giants more, backstories, histories, etc, they were fascinating.
The quote at 3:08 seems relevant in current year
I wish he did give Robb some POV chapters. For a pretty important player, he's more mentioned than he is seen.
Rob is on this story, but we do grant him the rank of viewpoing character.
Given how enormously Benjen's disappearance weighted on the Night's Watch in the first books, and specially on Jon and the Old Bear, I do wish we had been able to know him longer than we did. As the book series stands now, we don't really share the feeling of loss that the characters did.
That’d be so fucking awesome Robb was always my favorite character
I like the minor viewpoint characters, as long as it's not done too often. e.g. I was invested in the Dorne plotline because of Arys. I also like those greater scope moments when you realise a plotline's not really about who you thought it was about. So in that case, we start with Arys' viewpoint in what's clearly Arianne's story, then switch to Arianne's viewpoint in what we realise is actually Doran's story.
I love how Robb was portrayed in the show
How about fleshing out them books
@@JohnnyCatFitz love how no one dignified this idiocy with a response for 5 years, allow me to be the first
Man I read these every year about the read them all again
That doesn't sound healthy, have you tried reading something else? ;)
I do that with hp. I'm trying to read different stuff now.
The interviewer was so intent on closing him off and moving him along, but that was really interesting.
gotta give props to that question!
RIP Aerys Oakheart, you deserved better
He kinda didn't. He broke his oath foolishly and then started conspiring in politics. The chapter had value, but I feel no sympathy for him.
@@roguishpaladin But that Dornish pussy....
@@arandombard1197 The Dornish Princess was kinda bad ngl..
George is brilliant
Man that presenter is excellent about hiding texting while George talks.
Ugh my sweet boy Aerys Oakheart. Big RIP
I pray to the Old Gods, and The New, to keep this man healthy and alive.
I always presumed it was an intentional choice to not make any of the "Kings" PoV characters
i think having a dothraki view point character would be cool as hell. depending on when they were introduced that would mean early on we have more pov chapters in Essos rather than just Dany