George RR Martin on Why He Doesn't Read Fan Theories
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It's nice how he admits that some fans had great ideas and he wished he thought of those ideas. It just shows how down to earth and humble the guy is, and generally respects his fans.
@@sankofax8082 Not sure if that's sarcastic, but he has said he gets imposter syndrome.
Yeah it goes to show creator is very respectful to the created.
im like 95% sure thats how hodor / hold the door came to be
@@rollingstairs1 How? Hodor was a character that established in the first few chapters of the first book before it was even well known. Where are you even getting this from?
@@Gadget-Walkmen There was this reddit thread from 5(?) years before the revelation, I meant it as a joke, but part of me is strangely convinced that its true
"The show is the show, the book is the book". Glad he said that
I thought that way since the beginning and with any adaptation really. I don't know why its hard for people to comprehend that, especially those who think season 8 is canon for the books.
@@8mmkyle865 My mom schooled me on that many years ago since a child. she was a big novel reader and especially with horror books like steven king. she always told me the books are way deeper and more in depth than a movie adaptation and i began to see and learn that myself as i got older. Folks out there dont compute that smh. im glad he made it clear on that subject
@@8mmkyle865 maybe because we want to hear it from GRRM himself and not a guy on a youtube comment
@@noodle7725 so you need someone else to tell you that the show is the show and the books are the books? That's kind of sad.
@@8mmkyle865 You don't get what i'm saying. GRRM saying that they are not the same CLARIFIES it that they are not the same, he could've easily said that they are the same. Do you get it now??
I just love how reasonable he is.
And the fact that he lets the series and his books be different, not in this way of "no the show isn't my books, meeehh" but in a way of "yeah they're similar, but they both have merit, and they're both good."
*Cough* Andrzej Sapkowski *Cough*
Unlike that dude from the Witcher series. He is just a cunt.
I highly doubt GRRM will say what hes actually feeling if he doesn't like it
@@Gekkou31 I disagree. He's stated in an interview before that while he is a bit disappointed that the iron throne isn't exactly as he envisioned he actually makes fun of himself and says that he's completely unreasonable to feel like that because the iron throne they've made on the set of Game of Thrones is incredibly well made. He understands that making a tv show or making a movie has to make compromises. Watch the interview on when he worked on a twilight zone episode. He got really upset because the story he was adapting was made by a friend, and he loved it to bits. He apologised to his friend after the whole thing and the friend said he loved it.
Redorik Can you please tell me in which interview :)
This is the trap that so mamy authors fall into. A fan figuring out your story isnt bad quite the opposite it shows with enough sleuthing and critical thinking people can come to see your ideas and that they make sense, sense enough for others to be able to think of it. Yet when authors see this they grow wild and throw out years of buildup for cheap shock and subversion a "you didnt get me afterall" and it always spits on the face of thise faithful and clever fans. Those fans should be rewarded for their intelligence with the big reveal not given the old switcheroo
I know you are referring to AoT, it broke my heart how garbage it ended :(
@@DrMudarris one of the many victims my friend. It hurts all the same 😔
@@DrMudarris Have you seen the most recent leaks
@@youdonthavetolikemeiloveme3621 yea, at this point I think Isayama is just trolling us on purpose
@@DrMudarris Bruh the Highschool Caste AU leaks with Armin, Mikasa and Eren at the movies talking about fan theories freaked me the hell out- This whole story was one giant trolling
very intelligent guy
you however don't know what zig zag is!
Well the most inteligent character is always less inteligent than the writer that created this character, and this man created Tyrion, Varys and littlefinger
@@wistu7874 that's a point there
@Wiktor Stelmach
LOL.
Or you know, designing the problems the characters face around the solutions? Shouldn't be so difficult to not interpret him as a 200IQ living god.
@@wistu7874 That makes no sense.
Foreshadowing that actually leads to stuff just makes a book so much more interesting
Even if it’s obvious foreshadowing, everyone loves when pieces come together.
Isayama needs to see this
I was thinking the same!
Hahahahaha... Too late
*needed
Wdym? He knew where he wanted his story to go and didn’t pay any attention to fan theories
@@flores5420 No in an interview the opposite is said Isams like to sees not especially the fan theories but just generally the fan opinion on his manga , also Isams have talked about GOT the tv show in an itw he said he know that people were dissapoitned by the ending but for the ending of yes there is this quote approximatevely he said "the more i approach to the ending the less i paid attention to internet opinion" so yeah he did his own ending but i'm not agree on he lead is story where he wanted to Isams admitted it the theme in the last snk arc is a big theme that he couldn't developped properly and yeah that's why we got these 8 page bonus as you might know.. It's personnal but I think yeah Isams was so much pressured by the fact of doing an interesting ending that in the end he mixed up all idea in his head and this ending is not what should have been the real ending like we learn about Ymir's love like just at the end I think it's not the fan theories that affected Isams bc yeah he didnt read them at the end but its the success of his manga and the duty of quality that fan except (sorry for bad english and weird dvp not my native tongue)
u can also think yeah he give the ending he wanted and people saying the opposite are juste salty jerks who can't accept this ending,its ok
D&D.... Did the only thing he warned not to do
which is
Yeah what is it
@@EliteLucho I think he means that D&D obviously looked among fans theories on the internet to find ideas and finish the series without the book material. Thus giving us what now looks like a fan fiction.
Jakub Fijak which is having biased opinions about fans favorite characters and incoherent dead ends
Wilfried Deluche no I think he means subverting just to subvert instead of having a plan and a story you want to tell.
Professor: Martin’s comments about not commenting openly about fan theories online because it ruins fan discussion should be noted...
JK Rowling are you texting in class again?
@Boarbaque "And you the reader are and always were a Super gay albino hawaiian transsexual woman"
@Boarbaque sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning
@@Kacpa2 lmao she would never make a trans character
@@Grimmbros1214 no...she will never create the charecter for her book...but suddenly she CAN tweet about this trans-charecter that was always there and she had known this since the 90s.
@@subhamdas943 If you're not up to date on the latest JK Rowling news, JK Rowling has been vocally against trans people and is probably one of the most prominent figures of the TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) movement in the UK.
Imagine what those brain cells had planned for the end of game of thrones
To die before finishing the final book
Probably pretty much what’s in the show, except that first he would need to wrap up storylines that don’t happen in the show (The Young Griff, Jeyne being alive with Robb’s kid, Quentyn Martell and the whole Dornish plot, etc)
Bran becomes King of the Seven Kingdoms, Jon is Rhaegar’s and Lyanna’s child but doesn’t become king, Daenerys is the mad queen, Arya kills the Freys and goes on a killing spree in Westeros and then sails west of Westeros, The Hound survives and kills the Mountain later on, Jaime is too addicted to Cersei and comes back to her to die by her side, etc, etc
Who cares if the story is good? WE MUST SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS!
Rian Johnson, now D&D. This trend is going to be the death of storytelling.
I'm sorry, what are all these comments referring to? The fact that Arya killed the Night King instead of Jon? If I'm not mistaken it was George himself who told D&D that it should be Arya that saves the day, because Jon doing so would be too cliché. There sure are things we can criticize about this episode but I don't think that is one of them.
@@agustinl2302 do you really want to open that can of worms, no arya killing NK is just the symptom of a much larger problem.
The fact that NK the very embodiment of death is dealt with in a single episode while the remaining 5 episodes will be dedicated to cersie is just pure foolish.
And what is this abhorrance of the expected so did arya killing NK make you happy or shock you, did it really do anything for aryas character growth, jon basically got robbed of his entire reason for the second life.
This isn't sub version it's just shit story telling.
@@parikshitrao4208 3 episodes*
@@mevia3518 there are 8 episodes this season right?
Such a brilliant author he understands so much many authors don’t and as such his work is far superior.
Agreed
Oh GRRM please tell this to the series writers
lol was gonna post a comment that was very similar!
The willfully dense comments about those two guys is astounding to me. Martin literally just gave you his opinion, and a clear explanation as to why the show differs from the books 😂
@@1otonhammer38 He gave answer why it differs mostly due to budget constraints not storytelling. Kindly praise your favourites somewhere else, I have full right to my opinion. #densefanboy
@@kk-yuu You people are sad. So, you dont think budget/ time constraints effect story telling? It must be wonderful never being able to enjoy things because you're so sad, lonely, and pathetic that you need a show/book to validate your toxic personality. They're just books, champ.
@@1otonhammer38 Go lick their asses in a fan club. Some ppl didnt like it and we have the right to criticize. Get lost fanboy😘
D&D should watch this daily as a punishment.
I won't call it a punishment... Fits more to see it as instructions
Yes, the English invented the language & are too lazy to ununciate any of it properly. Ah for the laughs.
Could have got someone else from North Eng, or somewherelse Englnd for less chalkboard.
The way he kept using the “butler and chambermaid” analogy is making me think he knew D&D we’re gonna change the person who kills the night king from Jon to Arya and he knew it was gonna be a huge mistake
Clover Gas yeah because D&B decided it would be Arya to kill him two years ago as and I quote "it felt unexpected...it's a fan service" aka they picked someone at random with no foreshadowing for this and all because they knew the fans liked Arya as a character so it must mean she's the best person to kill the Night King
The Night King doesn’t exist in the books and I think George doesn’t really care who kills him because it not part of his story. Honestly I didn’t really care about the wight walkers or Night King story, it was another generic evil dude that wants to kill everyone and the hero’s need to stop him. George stays away from that story, The Others (or Wight walkers) are probably not evil as the show made them and just wants the North to actually fucking remember to stop going beyond the wall and the wildings to stop invading there lands. I mean there is reason why that wall was built in the first place and why maybe the Children of the Forest made contact to them, and help them built the wall with Magic. Bran the Builder definitely did not build the wall, it was The Children. The Night’s Watch was created to remind the North that no Human should go beyond the wall and invade the lands of The Others, a pack was created between them and may have been lost in history, and that were the words of “The North Remembers” came from. But then The North forgot and just say it as there slogan without knowing the true meaning, As Bloodraven said "Men Forget. Only the trees remember."
@@alexandraolvera5903 and how is this related to the comment?
The comnent has nothing to do with the books
George's statement has nothing to do with ASOIF or white walkers lore
Its about how writers re-write story arcs or character's purposes to subvert expectations to make it look its cool while making all of the forshadowings and build ups pointless at the end
GRRM (as an experienced writer) already knew that D&D is gonna change the person that will kill the NK after hearing/reading fan predictions and expectations, he knew D&D is screwed in Season 8
he didn't know that AT ALL, it's just that situation perfectly fits into what he wasting. Don't get into crazy conspiracy of saying George somehow "knew" that arya was going to be the one to kill the nightking because you're just making stuff up at that point right there entirely so!
Isayama This video is for you
“To you two years from now “
Anyone here after the TV show final ?
This explain so well why we had 7 season series and then one unrelated season; especially second half.
They trashed everything, every character development arc, just to "try" to surprise us.
This reminds me of how the writers of Westworld "had" to rewrite several episodes of the second season because the fans had already guessed several twists of that season.
I hope he really means this and sticks to this no matter what happens on the show.
That is exactly what Isayama did on his work Attack on Titan.
He changed his ending because people figured out how the story should have concluded.
Instead we got that atrocity of an ending that makes no sense, retcons multiple characters, wasted started plotlines and is full of plotholes.
Exactly and I had a debate with a ending defender saying that Eren didn't get retcon, and I said that he did.
Pixis: if something beyond man appeared before us as a powerful foe, mankind will take up arms together in unity. What do you think of that?
Eren: well it's seems rather optimistic. Doesn't interest me though.
And this is a clear retcon and it literally points at a direction saying " hey this isn't going to be a that kind of story"
George probably made a burner account and responded back or trolled 🤣
Hahahahahha yallreadyknow!
😂😂😂😂
Please don't tell them I have this account.
People overthink.. - Yes, eyecolor hahaha - Nervous laugh, Yes that and other things.
Damn, this guy guessed s8e3 😂
care to explain?
@@aaronschmidt8631 Thnx for the spoiler warning dude im up to date so its alll good. Thats pretty dope though
@@aaronschmidt8631 A quote that had different meaning in season 3. It was never ment to be a hint in season 3 that Arya will get to kill the Night King. D&D just used that quote from 5 seasons back to give atleast some background to Arya killing NK, while ignoring all the other plots around him. D&D randomly chose her 2 years ago cause Quote:"it felt unexpected", not because it was planned. Nothing but a fan service.
That scene never happens in the books. Melisandre never meets Arya, Thoros or Beric. She never learns of Beric being brought back to life or anything. That entire scene and that entire quote were both creations of the show.
@@sofianunes3906 What about Gendry? Does she use him in the books to acquire the King's blood?
"ISAYAMA"
i respect george and his incredible work so much that i’m sad d&d don’t.
what they did to season 8 at least until now (episode 4) isn’t at the level of what the asoiaf universe is.
it was a marvelous and complex puzzle, he gave us hints whenever he wanted the way he wanted and it was never our work but our passion to make theories and analyzing prophecies, characters, places, etc.
i’ll really look forward to the books because i know he has entire control over them and he will not let his universe have the same mistakes he even mentions in the interview (such as incoherence, biased thoughts and dead ends)
How did you like the endings;)
This host seems very charismatic based on those few seconds they talked but also on how well they listen, don't they?
Hajime Isayama moment
"you screw up the whole book because you get these foreshadowing early on and these little clues you've planted and now theyre dead ends, and your retconning, it's a mess..."
(sigh) oh Isyama...
was looking for such comments
Isayama truly betrayed us all smh...and he has no one to blame but himself
Part of the fun that fans have with a continuing series is trying to figure out where it’s going. So what if they figured it out early? It’s not actually confirmed until it is. So there’s still that chance they could be wrong. No need to change things because one or two people figured it out, they’re still waiting for a confirmation.
Besides, if you set things up only to do a complete 180, that’ll just piss more people off because now you’ve set up something that barely (if at all) makes sense. Better to confirm the theory right if it’s right, than to change the whole thing just to say “Ha! I got you!”.
Let the fans speculate. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. That discussion, sharing those fan theories, that’s part of the fun.
Nail on the head
Chrrm, transaction from Star war episode 7 to last Jedi
I had the feeling the creators of Lost did this. I mean the whole "diverging from the intended path just for the sake of being predictable" thing.
And that's why we got this polarizing ending that doesn't sit well with many people.
I don't think they had a perfect master plan either, don't get me wrong (it was great television, but not exactly shakespearean), but I am certain they originally wanted a cohesive, witty ending to their mystery drama. But instead, they took so many twists and turns for the sake of shock/surprise value and popularity reasons alone , that the only solution left was to come up with an ending that was so detached from what the show was about that it felt lackluster. I AM aware of what the ending means. I understood it. But I am quite certain that it was not their first choice. Just saying.
I guess this is an universal problem in serial, open-ended media and art. The "product" grows and is getting developed while at the same time is being consumed and judged. I think it's very hard for a creator to stay true to his original idea with all these invasive influences. I'd be surprised if the show and popular traits of certain characters in it won't fuse with the book characters to an extent. I'm just not sure if GRRM can withstand the urge to satisfy people.
And let's be honest, (most) fans who watched the show first and became readers later want for example shocking deaths, lewd sex scenes , drunken banter and witty comebacks. All draped in a fancy medieval fantasy setting. Of course it's part of the books, too, but sadly it's THE biggest appeal and reason why this show has become popular outside of the typical nerd-dom. It's the meme potential built upon a very solid foundation that sells the show first and foremost now, to put it bluntly.
So I hope GRRM won't let Arya become the Mary Sue she is in the show, loved for her "badass-ness". And he shouldn't feel the need to somehow "1 up" the red wedding and come up with something even bigger, whatever that means. I think things like that are far more likely than story revisions. That's what I "fear" most.
Stupid butthurt jon snow fangays
Attack on Titan and what Isayama done there at the end described perfectly
Isayama...
My man was scrolling through reddit to decide the ending, threw 10 years of build up into the bin
starting at 3:00 he explains precisesly why the ending of season 8 episode 3 was so disappointing.
Well, let's be honest: The episode would be hated even more if it was Jon who killed the NK, just like anyone expected.
@@carljohnson8285 No, that would have been much better, the main reasons why people dont like the ending of this episode are because of the bad execution and because Arya had zero connection to the White Walkers, she didnt even knew that the Night King existed a few episodes ago while Jon on the other hand had his entire character arc centered around the White Walkers and the Night King. A compromise would have been Jon loosing the battle and than Arya can come for the kill, but this time not teleporting, instead she uses Berics face (disguised as a wight). That would add up with her plotline atleast and Jon also had his arcs climax. Martin literally explains it here. You cant change something and call it a suprise if it doesnt fit into the characters arc or the story in general. Thats just bad.
He talks about a totally different thing, not the show.
The show had the same ending he books will have. Deal with it!
@@mattteomatei3610 That might be true but Martin will write it a million times better. Besides that, D&D had to come up with a lot of stuff because they had no books to go with anymore. Martin only told them vaguely what ending he had in mind and they had to build around that but failed miserably. This show would have needed a couple more seasons or atleast episodes. Closing out all these huge plotlines in those few episodes what was season 8 can hardly have a good outcome. Even with good writing it would be very hard to do.
@@EldenLord. Why do you say Martin only told them vaguely what will happen next????? Where do you guys come up with this stuff and then post online like it's true??? D&D and Martin have been together on may tours and award ceremonies in the last years, they didn't just have conversations like "In the end, Bran sits on the iron Throne, Daenerys burns King'S Landing, Jon is exiled". They actually talked scenes through to the last detail.
ISAYAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It got even worse did you read the recent eaks?
@@youdonthavetolikemeiloveme3621 this man was a hack
I look forward to reading it with my great-great-grand children.
This video gives me hope that GRRM will do us justice and WONT write it like that S8E3 lol
Write da books?
he confirmed the main beats and points wont be different so go watch avengers kid.
Nuno Prazeres he literally said the show is the show the books are the books, he also criticizes D&D changing plotlines in 3:20, try watching the whole video kid
It's Alright D&D literally CHOSE Arya as the one to kill NK 3 years ago purely for shock value (you can watch on their behind the scenes) GRRM left GoT after S4, he even criticizes writers who change plotlines for no reason 3:20 theres no way he wouldve approved Arya as the NK killer when the showed literally portrayed Jon/Dany as Azor Ahai with all the prophecies/visions etcZ perhaps you should pay attention to the video
@@farhanaazmi4512 there no way? he already said arya will be at some point the most important character and it confirms. it was never about jon. get over it
Hackyama
Based author
People who don't support RLJ should watch this.
I don't support RLJ and I still don't after this video, so what's your point?
Red&Blue Productions I think he means that the big reveal George is talking about in this video, the one that he hints but isn’t supposed to reveal until book 6, is R + L = J.
at this point RLJ is confirmed, since that was the only reason GRRM gave D&D charge of the show, because he asked who they thought Jons parents were and they figured it out
If people are putting together the clues and seeing where those clues lead, but there's still a lot of discussion about what the eventual picture will look like, I think that's a good indication that the clues are being well laid.
Star Trek Writer David Gerrold (He wrote The Trouble with Tribbles) said he met a young fan who tried to talk to him about a sequel to that episode. A few years later David wrote the episode More Tribbles, More Troubles for the animated series. That young fan wrote to David saying that David stole the young person's idea for the sequel and the young fan wanted writing credit for the episode.
Had to come to this video for personal reassurance of Writer's legitimacy.
That Attack on Titan ending was just bad.
What specifically didn’t you like about it? I’m honestly asking because a lot of people hated it.
@@Garrus1995 This video sums up pretty much all the talking points and criticisms, it's long so just watch it in bits and pieces and you should get the idea, note that the video came out before the extra 8 pages ruclips.net/video/SlOd8RXeOo4/видео.html
@@Garrus1995
This is a better more comprehensive vid; it's shorter, articulated, objective, and not as emotionally impulsive:
ruclips.net/video/l9F2s9432FM/видео.html
I even left a recent comment (a week ago) in that vid explaining what I didn't like. Characterization was simply thrown out the window and the revelation in the final chapter felt shoehorned, very inconsistent with the themes of the story.
**Edit** : In case my comment in that vid is lost (it contains spoilers) I'll provide it here:
The ending felt like a stretch-of-a-desperate-defense in a War Crimes/Crimes Against Humanity trial.
Could you have imagined if Hitler said "I caused an attempt at global takeover and mass genocide because I believed that I could unite the world's nations (founding of the UN) and reinvigorate sympathy for the Jews since I too have Jewish ancestry.
No, Hitler was so absolute and held conviction with his extreme goals of slaughter that he carried it through for years that in the end he offed himself and refused to be taken in. Europe wouldn't just take having their family and friends getting slaughtered by a tyrannical force so kindly.
I never was Pro-Rumbling (and I'm aware not everything is all black and white) , however I had more empathy for Zeke, King Fritz (the one that founded Paradis and the Walls, changing his name to Reiss), Marley, and of course the Alliance; I was all for putting an end to Ymir's curse, but whatever ending Isayama should've have gone with, it should have kept Eren's character in check; yes, in the ending Isayama gave us, the Alliance stopped the Rumbling, but it should have kept Eren's conviction intact.
Perhaps Isayama had to play it safe because this series was a Shonen (aimed for the teenage demographic), thus trying to put Eren in some kind of middle ground in character portrayal with his intentions, but really this whole series should have been a Seinen like Berserk (very Mature subject matter meant only for the Mature.)
Attack on Titan had a poor ending. That's the truth of the matter.
@@GH0STZERO exactly. The rest of the world will still keep on hating the Eldians for obvious reasons. Yes, Armin and the Alliance did take down Eren and "save the world" but at the same time a huge portion of Paradis islanders(Yaegarists) did fight for Eren and actively tried erasing the entire population of the world which kind of ended up justifying the hatred and bigotry of the rest of the world towards the Paradis islanders. So it's only natural that when the other countries regain their strength, they'll launch an all out attack on Paradis, which they did. The Lelouch route doesn't really work here. So what was Eren's end goal?
If he did want to save the Paradis islanders then he should have followed through with his global massacre plan, as messed up as it was. It was the only logical route that he might have taken. He even asks Hange for a better solution, which she fails to provide. By trying to take the Lelouch route, not only did he fail to protect the people of Paradis, he also reinforced the blind hatred of the whole world towards the Eldians.
If his plan was to "eradicate all the titan" as in euthanasia, then he should have followed Zeke's plan. That was the most peaceful route that they could have taken, in my opinion. But apparently Eren "didn't want to sacrifice his own people".
He did end up achieving temporary peace though, which allowed his friends to live out the rest of their lives in relative peace. So probably that was his end goal all along.
But then what was all that ruthless character development leading up to the final chapters all about? Eren's moral dilemma about having to chose between his own race and the rest of the world, which drove him to take drastic yet understandable decisions, what was ALL THAT about?
Honestly the ending felt hollow to me. Something as grand as this story deserved a better ending, in my opinion.
I was so dissapointed with Littlefinger's death he was a well made character with awesome quotes . I wanted to see hes plan on how he would get the iron throne for hes own and what the other characters would do to stop him like cersei or daenerys
He isnt dead
Leonarm13 in the show he is
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha nope, he is a faceless man from bravoos, inform yourself
Definitely not dead
@@Leonarm13 i think arya would notice since she were faceless man's apprentice
Incredible how his words seem so on point to what happened after Season 8 Episode 3, is like he's telling them not to fuck up while they were fking it up.
D&D did exactly what GRRM is against lol
Butler=Jon
Chamber maid=Arya
When your a brilliant author fan theories will look weak in comparison to what you are theorizing in your head
Actually not quite, fan theories I don't know about but few of the fan fictions can give the original a good run for its money
Sebas G
Not always true.
that's not true, especially when you have the internet with thousands of people posting stuff and batting ideas back and forth. like the saying "give enough monkeys a type writer and eventually one of them will write shakespeare"
Somebody send this to jk rowling lmao
2:27 Rian Johnson - Disney: Take a note! This is how to work as a writer & artist on something popular - you stay true to your original influences and keep to the plan! A story is about the writer and his characters and not just about expectations and how to surprise the audience.
More like Dan and Dave take notes but too late now, GoT is dead
5:32 "There are places were the two are gonnna diverge" and he is fine with it. The show had a Base story, and they diverged from the author at some point. Star Wars is the same, the original author has let her baby go, and now it's going somewhere else. You guys are doing fan fiction in your head, and it hurts you that the movies are not telling your stories. i prefer Luke to become a grumpy ermitte than this stereotype angelic chracter of the good people he was.
Geogre Martin also said he doesnt want to read fan fiction for that, it's his story he goes wheerever he wants to go, and so do Disney/Ryan Johnson
@@guitop say that to the butthurt fans of episode 3 long night ending. Stupid people.
Butthurt shits. Didn't noticed the foreshadowing why Arya killed the NK instead pf Jon. DD answered that way to avoid spoilers . Brainless maggots
@@killboxonealpha9078 Why get upset? If other people don't like something that you like, that's OK.
I read all five books and never put together R+L=J
I turned my girlfriend onto the show and she guessed Jon was Lyanna's son the first episode
uh do they even mention lyanna by name in the first episode? lol
Cause in the books R + L = J doesnt exist
sora roxas facts
Damn she’s a keeper dude 😏
@@haziq12ish that because the books is not finished
Winds of winters didnt even have an ending
Jon snow will be still a targaryen nontheless
His heritage is still unknown in the books
When you foreshadow some things and no one figured it out, you get them surprised from the revelation, however when they figure it out, then comes satisfaction and in my oppinion it feels so much better.
nah, better make Arya be the big hero to subvert expectations.
i dont watch game of thrones tbh im not really interested in it, however writers can all learn from him, and i just love to hear him talking about these things!
3:01 words to live by.
I wonder how George reacted to the terrible conclusion of the show.
I bet he never watched it
I love how well spoken george is. Would honestly love to have lunch with him and just talk about whatever.
We need you George
Save us from what D&D have done
What has D&D done?
Vicente Linares Lucas killed the Knight King so easily. I was mad we never got to see him fight John in a sword fight
Night King isn't even in the books, stop crying
@@babbadook stfu they hyped the fucker since the first scene and he died to some op hoe who has no ties to him that destroyed 8 years of build up fuck off
gokce yesildag the night king was actually a big fucking loser, dude deserved a stupid death. He was just a mid level lich type monster that had thousands of years to get ready and still fucked up
The thumbnail is George opening the door of his house and finding in front of him a giant banner with a fan-theory written on
6:04 And now my watch has ended.
You son of a bitch...
This is a quality comment right here folks
@@Kunumbah1 nah I've seen tons of comments like this
night=burger?
They are gonna diverge. They did George, they did.
3:10 rian johnson should have heard this ...
@Tronam And then Disney ordered big script changes after TFA came out.
@David Land Source? I've never seen that claim made before.
do not speak the saboteur's name,
This one video could have saved the entire Star Wars sequel trilogy.
when he mentioned twice that it is always a mistake to make the chambermaid do it instead of the butler just because people correctly guessed it would be the butler who doe s it.
if only we knew butler = Jon Snow and chambermaid = Arya Stark
i wish the show listened to this great advice that it is always a mistake to switch storylines between characters
Yes
3:11 Ohhh man this is so true for Season 8!!!
Just only if, D&D listen to this interview. Darn it!
3:35 crazy... he literally describes what Dan and Dave did with the NK. Like word for word describes the mistake they made by setting up Jon to be the one for so long and at the last second changing it to Arya. “If you’ve planned the whole time the butler did it And you read on the internet that someone found out that the butler did it suddenly change it midstream and it was the chamber maid that did it then you screw up the whole book because you got this foreshadowing early on and these little clues you planted are now dead ends and you have to introduce other clues that you’re redconning and it becomes a mess.” WHAT. THIS IS CRAZY. Send this to Dave and Dan god damn it.
Thats so fucking wrong there was foreshadowing of her doing it for so long when you look at it, the red women talking about the eyes the dagger tricks with brienne and syrio
@@kamyshafik9071 how can they foreshadow that long ago when they didnt decide she would kill him until 3 years ago? around the gap between season 6 and 7.
@@kamyshafik9071 there was zero foreshadowing about it. there was some extremely vague quote about arya shutting brown eyes, blue eyes, and green eyes (95% of the population lol), which they had to change and have melisandre misquote herself just so it made sense.
@@Evan-gi1hs this is the part " and then you have to introduce other clues, and you're retconing and its a mess". Fits so much with the explanations we were given about why Arya did it
Well fuck, someone should have told that 3:15 to D&D when they decided to take a massive steaming Dump on Jon's arc (the Butler) and prophecy and give to Arya (The chamber maid)
If one were writing a longform story, and no one on earth could guess the ending, it probably indicates a bad ending that arises from nowhere.
Wow the show did exactly what grrm wanted to avoid in asoiaf
the writing was on the walls when GRRM left after season 4
People guessed john snow was targeriyan in 1998!?!?!?!?
In fairness it was never exactly hidden or misdirected. (We were inside Eddard's head and it just never seemed like he would cheat or wouldn't think of his bastard's mother)
@@jacoblevenson7934 true but come on thats crazy that people guessed that at the end of the first book,,, its really insane
@@Tripskiii Second book
yea, I knowed that like 3 yo but I am only watching the show.
Holly shit!😂😂
In light of s8e3 and the clusterfark that they created by choosing something no one was thinking about, his comments on changing everything in order to merely subvert fan theories but at the cost of all context and continuity are profound. If only the show people had the same literary integrity as GRRM, eh? Especially right here: ruclips.net/video/CKnXmNHubfs/видео.html
He sounds like peter griffin from family guy
Watching this is crazy considering season 8 episode 3 contradicts the idea due to the book materiel running out.
Good interview.
J.K. Rowling needs to takes notes from George on dealing with fan theories and interacting with fans online.
He basically described the ending of Attack on Titan.
I need a raven to pass this along. Is this really the battle of Summer Hall? Has he published any new songs? This should be Summer Hall. Which would make a lot of sense if the winds of winter was done. The wind stood still and the silenced roar. Rhaegar stood in
balance and grew once more. Dancing dragons drumming snores Hammer Druming battle songs. Baratheon warg and the earth shook. Battle arms ready my lords. Everyone in the halls stared
in awe. Both Rhaegar and Baratheon squaring off. Rhaegar swing his sword and
sang a song.-Danilo Antonio
The writers from rick and morty need to take notes
People aren't giving enough credit to this interviewer. He's really good.
This man has already wrote the last two books: he’s just waiting for the show to end! We will see Winds... in the next year, and A Dream by 2023
Tony Mullins thats just especulation
That’s if he lives that long, I love that he puts time and pure effort into his writings which understandably takes time, but how long does the guy have left.
@@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg he is only 70 ... So probably like 15/20 years left easily
No need to rush
Pedro M. I’m more worried about diabetes or dementia 😂😂 screw the characters, this guy needs to name an heir to carry on the work!
@@pedrom.6106 He is 70, but he is also fat. Fat people usually don't live to 80 or 90. I am not saying that to be offensive, it is just the truth.
Rian Johnson and disney should really watch this interveiw and take notes...
Holy shit he starts talking about r+l=j
SPOILER ALERT
episode 3 game of thrones destroyed all the lore about the prince that was promised or Azor Ahai by Arya killing the night king. Nonsense.
I read a mad theory on reddit I’ll link it in a minute it’s a bit out there but could save the whole azor ahai aspect to thrones
Get a life
andres hernandez I think my mate should get a life it was him that shared the post to me
If you think about it, in the show Jon is azor ahia because Daenerys would have been the darkness over the world not the army of the dead and he killed her
If I’m a creator of a story I’m definitely not reading fan theories/suggestions cause it’s MY story & I already know what is & what isn’t and also how everything is gonna be or turn out lol
Star wars:
Who si rey parents?
Nobody is rey's parents
A divergence of the force
You are a palpatine...
Yes George is correct!!! People do over think everything!
who's here after episode 3 lol
I’m starting to think that D&D have done what GRRM was cautioning against; trying to go against what the overarching plan was from the beginning purely because a lot of people caught on to it and knew where the show was heading. Unfortunately, they didn’t do nearly s good enough job retconning old hints and plot lines with hasty new ones.
Being unpredictable does not a good ending make. A lot of the time fans being able to tell where things are going is a good thing; it means you’ve weaved a fantastic story web and the audience knows the ending you are leading up to.
I have hopes for the remaining two episodes but my initial hope that the show would go down as the best in TV history has very much been dashed.
PLEASE FINISH THE BOOKS
I like how this interview acknowledges how the book readers should still respect the show and how it really isn't going to be as different as they think, regardless what they want to think in their heads. He says how there will be differences, but to this day nails home the point that large story telling beats remain the same. So no, Young Griff or the Dornish aren't important. Lady Stoneheart, isn't important. They are nice additions to read, but ultimately just distractions from the core story which is solely about the Starks, Lannisters and Targaryens. Coldhands is going to be Benjen. Cersei will still blow up the sept. Jon will still be resurrected. There isn't some devious master plan that D&D are doing to "ruin the books". They are simply condensing and cutting storylines that ultimately, aren't important. Do they do a sloppy job sometimes? Definitely. But they make sure that the important beats are there. For instance, GRRM probably gave them "The Whitewalkers bring down the wall using Dany's dragon", but D&D had to write in a situation for that to occur. They did a bad job at it, but the narrative they wrote allowed the important plot point of the dragon burning down the wall to happen. Even if the book and the show have the same ending, its okay. You can prefer one or the other but I feel the community sometimes takes fan theories and personal bias towards the show as facts. "Jon can't be resurrected by Melisandre cause GRRM is too smart for that. He would never write something that simple. Its clear he must be inside Ghost!". That is a theory...but if Winds of Winter comes out and that is truly the answer to how he's resurrected, then are you still going to be angry at the show for being faithful? Or are you mad at the show cause they did a decision you personally didn't imagine in your fan fiction version of the last two books? I think the book readers are almost scared that George's books aren't going to be as good as they hope and so in their heads they keep saying "No no no, that can't happen cause he is better than that". George IS better than D&D at writing by far, but a few clear hints like Benjen being Coldhands isn't crazy.
I'm not sure about cersei blowing up the septon. I see it as a way to cut minor characters they didn't know what to do with so i don't think it will happen in the book. As for colhands = Benjen it makes perfect sense but it might not be true as Leaf said he died long ago.
He literally just said in another interview that Lady Stoneheart is important.
@@BlackLightning20101 Again, "important" for the books minor storylines like avenging the Starks (a role the show gave to Arya). Yes, she will play a role in fulfilling revenge plots on the Freys and stuff, but ultimately Lady Stoneheart plays no role in the overarching story. Same for Dorne, Young Griff, etc. These are seemingly large plots in the book, but in reality, are just distractions from the core story of what will eventually be Cersei vs. Jon+Dany vs. the Whitewalkers. Minor characters will die in the books and be alive in the show, and vice versa. But the books are not going to have some crazy big twists like Lady Stoneheart being Azor Ahai or Young Griff being the true Targaryen. The show mentioning how R+L=J is confirmation that Jon is the true Aegon, and that "Young Griff" really is just a bastard and not a true heir to the throne. Or if he is, he just gets killed off. Ultimately though him and Lady Stoneheart, as well as Doran Martell, all will play little to no role in interfering with Jon vs the whitewalkers or Cersei.
I think coldhands is actually Ned and Cercie will blew up the Sept
Actually I think George confirmed Coldhands isn't Benjen in notes. This is just another case of the show combinding characters for simplicity. Since Coldhands was barely in the show, it was easier to just bring someone old back than introduce someone new.
If only he’d watch s8 e3.
Well this is what he meant by it ..
The mind of a genius
Just only if, D&D listened
to this interview. Darn it!
I just got spoiled the Jeanne Westerling part😢.
I know I might probably get flak for using this example but near or at the beginning of the Steven Universe cartoon series, several fans (Me included) in the beginning of the series thought Rose Quartz, the protagonist’s mom, was royalty and a Diamond one of the leaders of Homeworld. It got a good amount of hate especially after an episode seemed to shoot that theory out of the water but still a good amount of the fans who paid attention to a bunch of foreshadowing and clues still held on to that belief.
Rebecca Sugar, the show creator, along with the writers said that the idea was planned before production even began and as soon as they learned some fans found out about the theory even though some people hated it. They were glad some people caught on or could had thought it through to figuring out what happen to Pink Diamond almost perfectly because that meant they were doing a good enough job working on the show for the fans to pay attention to the shows biggest plot twist when there was little evidence to support it other than a few bits here and there.
When the plot twist was finally revealed many of the fans even the ones who hated the idea or already knew it was confounded by the idea but accepted it. The twist changed the entire story and the events that happen so far into another perspective when you view the actions of some characters especially the ones involved in the twist with a significant hatedom boiling for certain characters until further episodes down the line explained the reasoning for the twist.
So I guess it would better for you to not rewrite the story because someone figure out the end game. Just let things play out.
This! But I love how so many of the early 'Rose Diamond' fans got discouraged around seasons 3 and 4 because of how much it seemed that it really wasn't the direction the show was going and that the connection was that Rose shattered Pink, with the twist being that it was actually Pearl/Yellow/Blue/White/whoever who did it.
The fans that actually stuck with the theory are the real MVPs. Everyone laughed at them sticking with a 'discarded' theory for years but it turned out they were correct (I myself was in the Pearl shattered Pink club for a long time until I saw an image showing how Rose's hair outline sort of looked like Pink's from Jungle Moon and accepted that she probably was PD, but by Jungle Moon many people were going back to that theory because of the utter weirdness of Your Mother And Mine and Jungle Moon so I don't really count myself as being an OG supporter).
He doesnt read them because then he might have to move a finger and he may burn a calorie if that happens.
This is exactly what people on Twitter did with the Arya
Yes we all figured out R+L=J
lmao no, that theory makes 0 sense but because the show is going in radical direction from the books, fans are making up all kinds of theories to justify their bias
Krljavi Dzo dude r+l=j has been around for like 20 years lmao
Krljavi Dzo bro what? I’m not too much of a fan of what the shows doing either, especially after s8e3 but r+l=j has been around forever and I firmly believe it’s also going to be a thing in the books.
@@GeckLost ok then, point out IN THE BOOK where you get the idea that r+l=j
@ my father didn't watch the show but he read books long time ago and when i said to him that jon is lyanna's son he said he has already figured this out on his own.
i find it fascinating that by a noticeable margin MOST of the questions he gets asked by professional interviewers center entirely around celebrity or fandom
even questions that arent certainly feel heavily coloured by 1 or the other
i wonder if thats sad, or expected & acceptable
Imagine starting these books in 1991 and still not finishing them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish my english was good enough to read the books, after a few pages i lose track
Same here xD, but trust me, just keep reading, even if you dont understand every word, eventually youll be knowing words you wouldnt know otherwise, It might sounds lame, but I roleplay with it a bit, instead of just reading throughout a page, I try to read it as if I was reading a story to a kid, its quite fun :)
Taco Fingerz thanks! I want to give it another try this summer, it’s just that when i don’t know a few words I feel like i’m missing a big part of the story haha. How many of the books have you read yet? And what is your native language?
@@ramonav.9729 I actually just decided to get into it a few weeks ago, my brother gave me Song Of Ice And Fire 1 back in christmas, but just like you I was struggling with it xD Im yet like a 100 pages left but I sure read everything more than once cause, it also depends on the stuff you read the most I guess. Spanish (Mexican) is my native language, and yours?
Use Kindle! It really helps with the sometimes strange vocabulary the books have. You click on an unfamiliar word and Kindle will look it up in its dictionary.
Taco Fingerz same! My sister bought the books for me for christmas last year. My native language is Dutch and normally I don’t struggle with reading in english but the books contain a lot of words that I have never heared of
basically "I am not responsible for that shit"
2:58 What he literally said is a mistake.. is exactly what ended up happening to the tv adaptation of his books. He should have known D&D better.