George RR Martin on Racism and Sexism Accusations against Game of Thrones
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Imagine looking at characters like Brienne, Catelyn, Arya and Cersei and thinking this guy is a sexist
Right! George R.R. Martin created the most powerful yet memorable female characters in his series! Shit, they were great protagonists and antagonists with complex backgrounds, along with goals and ambitions!
@@isaiahcolesanti275 yeah and they were never really just a gender which is a common pitfall for a lot of female characters, these ones had great traits, backstory, emotions and motivations. Amazing writing
Bram Steenhoek Agreed and that is how you write female characters. I have yet to finish A Game Of Thrones. There’s so many details to the world then I could ever imagine. Hell there’s more creatures and magic for God sakes. I barely see any magic, but in the books there’s more of it. I love it!
@@isaiahcolesanti275 i avtually kinda like that in the show magic is so rare
In later seasons however it is used over and over again
I would add Ollena Asha and arguably Arianne to the list. Cersei though is pretty dumb in the books and definitely can't handle situation in king's landing alone. If it was only major female character I could see undermining women abilities
“When you film in Morocco...Moroccans show up”
Well said Mr. Martin 👏🏿 👏🏿 👏🏿
ShadowProject01 you can even hear how upset the person who asked that question became one he answered that. She expected him to try and weasel out of the question so she could later say the people who asked the question were right that GoT is racist. Instead he basically points out that she didn’t read the books, and doesn’t understand TV, because if she had done either (instead of just looking for imaginary racism) she wouldn’t have asked such a dumb question.
I quite astonished that it took the audience up until this point to react. They could have seeing this coming a minute ago... are those in the audience students? its the level so low nowadays!?
@@OvidiuHretcanu What? They laughed because of his wording. How could they have predicted the exact phrasing of his sentences?
They would know the context of the subject. It's not plantation slavery, its ancient slavery. For such a serious allegation to make on a body of work,
due diligence on the part of the accuser, truly will serve the accuser. But everyone is cynical these days it seems, perhaps even me in saying that.
@@cipher88101 I'm not defending the critics in anyway, and Martin has an insight to how the show was made to be able to justify and explain why the cast looked the way it did, but just saying it was filmed in Morocco isnt enough to just assume the viewers should watch the show and understand that fact. In fact some movies and shows are filmed precisely in certain countries and areas because they want their movies populations to look a certain way.. Imagine shooting the last samurai in Scotland..it wouldn't work, or at least would add unnecessary difficulties to filming the battle scenes. I'm not trying to suggest the makers should be made accountable for this or they should have gone to some kinda extra effort im just pointing out a fact that people overlook when criticising the viewers.
His books were set in a medieval world (with fantasy thrown in for flavor). Was the medieval period sexist and racist? Yes what kind of stupid question is this. It's like questioning the racism in Django.
you are exactly right
Yet people question it. People I play D&D with think LOTR is problematic because the “dark-skinned ones” are evil. Why can’t these people stop injecting racism and sexism into everything?
true but mostly due to circumstance. A medieval European wouldnt move around much unless extremely privileged. So the only nonracists would be the 0.1%, everyone else was brutally poor with men and women having it equally bad in different ways.
1. The middle ages were actually much more diverse than it has historically been presented in media 2. George's books and world are much more diverse and complex than the tv show, but he's the one that gets shit for the tv adaptation
@@akaraniq Maybe but they literally used women as bargaining chips so it most definitely was sexist. And the plague was literally blamed on the Jews so it also was racist. My point stands.
I'm not sure how to describe it, but when I look at George and realize this man wrote the GoT series it baffles me every single time. I could never fathom writing a story with such depth like this man, in my world it's literal superpowers.
Agree. He’s incredible.
If he ever finishes the series I'll go back to admiring him
@@squanchy666 Well he finished it no?
@@robbybobbijoe no. He’s still got two whole 1,000 each page books to finish…
JRR Tolkien wrote an even larger world
Omg an author having to justify his fiction. Insane.
Ikr? This is insanity. Book burning crowd is forming. ....
Because a lot of people are fucking stupid.
Zaltus I think the main issue is that we’ve been saying Dothraki the wrong way
@@themysteriousgamers9616 ikr 8 years later we find out
The anti free speech left must have its ideology infect everything
"Your story about horrible people doing horrible things includes sexism and racism, how do you respond?"
YES. And?
This is the best summary
Same as you would respond to the question on why terrible people in the real world do terrible things. It’s all just ideological bs. A racist will be racist, doesn’t matter if you accuse thousands or millions non-racist people of being racist. But it doesn’t matter to the people using the narrative to make a grab for power...
I'm just getting tired of this woke bs, where everything in art is interrogated for signs of racism and sexism with no empirical factual evidence to back it up.
the critique about Dany is hilarious because she's NOT the saviour at all and people got mad without knowing the ending
He was real uncomfortable for a second 😭 his answer was great.
I think he was trying to contain his frustration lol. It’s hard to not take it personally when someone critiques your work.
@@thekurt1 Criticism would be one thing... constantly trotting out the same tired accusations that completely miss the point of said work is another.
@@thekurt1this isn’t critictism. It’s immature childish games… there was no elevation of any kind. I heard a baby saying “waaah, people say show bad!! Waaah. Was show bad? George are you bad? Waaah”
Although I respect the questions being asked, I feel like they're fishing for something wrong. The best part of GOT in my opinion is the character work and the lack of a good guy vs bad guy narrative. I think GRRM understands that people individually are not good or bad absolutely. And having characters that act in their own interests with varying senses of morality and values is what drives the narrative to be truly interesting. I don't see anything wrong with writing characters that don't follow the modern strictness of social interaction. Instead, they act simply off of their own self interests and morals and in turn a much more convincing story is written.
Ok groomer.
Welcome to American media. Where the media fishes for a headline or an out of context quote
this kind of comment feels incredibly weird. the questions were asked by a professor who is obviously interested in the books, the show, and the answers to her questions about pretty serious topics. and grrm clearly wanted to answer them properly. he acknowledged how many issues her questions brought up, and instead of undermining and dumbing her words down into an "agenda" and then praising irrelevant things about his work for no reason (like your comment), he answered every part of her question to the best of his ability and wasn't afraid to admit concessions and mistakes.
@@azmilog ok groomer
@@hands-ongaming7180 This feel more like white hysteria to me
J.K. Rowling: "the dragons are gay"
@Not Alfie She announced, after finishing the Harry Potter series, that "Dumbledore is gay" to appease part of her fans which were not satisfied with the lack of homosexuality in it. She also has remade Hermione black for the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child play even though in the books she was depicted in illustrations and written form as white to retroactively make her cast more diverse.
@@DarkRockslizer beside this she added some random jewish guy
@@DarkRockslizer the more reasons not to read her garbage
She also turned Nagini into sort of person, so the professor Longbottom is now a murderer
I know it's a joke but dragons in ASOIAF/GOT are neither male or female
GRRM knows damn well that these people didn’t read the books
It's kind of hilarious and also rather sad that it's academics who didn't read the books and don't know anything about the topic questioning him.
I laughed out loud when they said that Tyrion is the voice of reason xD
They don't have to read the books. Reading the book does not give you any superior ground if the question being asked, is centered around the TV show. Atleast that's what it looks like.
@@danielfake8269 the author of the book who also helped out with the first five seasons as a supervisor.
I recall much more vulgar rape scenes from the book that were left out in TV show
One of my favourite things about GRRM’s writing is that no character is ever incapable of redemption, no matter how evil the act is/we perceive it to be
even Walder Frey?
You may like the film The Mission (assuming you haven't seen it) where Robert Di Nero's character who is a slaver and murderer finds redemption. I find it the most powerful redemption scene in any movie.
…Euron Greyjoy.
Rorge
Ramsay Bolton, Euron Greyjoy, Gregor Clegane. He does have some characters that are incapable of redemption.
George did such a great job handling this situation. Imagine having to explain something so insignificant to the story you’ve written at large.
Yeah you can see as she's asking this long-winded purity check, all over his face is "this shit again? fuckin' serious"
Exactly! If I got an interview with George rr Martin I'd ask about his lore and inspirations. For example I'd want to ask him more about the doom of Valyria, how long do dragons live for? Who's your personal favorite character you've written? Character inspirations for Jon snow. Jaime Lannister, and stannis. Like what inspired those characters personalities and how they are written. Long story short. I'd ask the author about his books.
It was a thoughtful question regarding parallels to modern politics. If you haven't noticed, ASoIaF are political books. He was clearly happy to explain it or else he wouldn't have gone so in-depth without extra prompting. Writers love it when you ask nuanced questions about their world.
@@AmbrosiusIII You’re clearly seeing what you want to see. Just because he answered the question and didn’t show himself to be emotionally effected doesn’t mean that he wasn’t annoyed by it. His body language explained it all. He clearly was uncomfortable as she asked her long-winded question. Just because a story has politics interwoven in it doesn’t mean it’s a political book. That’s just the driving force for conflict. The SOIAF books are actually about the fallacy of heroes in respect to the human condition or nature. Just because the story has politics doesn’t mean that those politics should or do reflect the current day politics. This is a fantasy story in a fantasy world with fictional characters in time period that is reminiscent to medieval times in Western Europe. That question did not apply to the reality of the story at large.
@@chriswilliams7358 im glad your able to read minds homie, let a man speak for himself he dosent need you in the comments telling people that your actually a psychic and his body language tells you more about what hes thinking better than himself
They're called white walkers NOT because they're white, but because they are followed by blizzards and ice.
@@JEM-wj2oc white walkers=The leaders, the ice ones. Wights=The dead ones, kids, adults, soldiers, farmers etc anyone but the Ice ones. Hope you understand now
I think whitewalkers are norsemen' viking
We actually aren’t sure if they are solid and followed by mist, or are the cold mist, our best source is in the prologue, but even that description isn’t certain and Sam isn’t sure if they bring the cold or are the cold.
danyelah Tabaat that is an interesting idea, one of the maesters says that they were actually just a first men tribe that migrated southward and were demonized by the starks to make the north seem more stoic.
Alex Scrivens it’s also a note that they aren’t even called white walkers or wights (not sure about this one) in the books instead they are referred to as the “others” and are not implied to be corpse like or very humanoid.
Funny how no one seemed to care when Theon Greyjoy got flayed and castrated, and brutally tortured.
@OnThisSideoftheSky No complaints of sexual exploitation about the thousands of topless Dothraki. A poor Unsullied guy's nipple was sliced off but hey he's a dude so we don't care
OnThisSideoftheSky to be fair he was an asshole. Still doesn’t mean that he deserved what happened to him. He has one of the best arcs on the show and books
That's not true? There was a ton of controversy about that arc as it was seen as using gratuitous torture without good reason in order to be shocking.
@OnThisSideoftheSky
He's a white man that betrayed his foster family, murdered the old maester and killed 2 children and passed them of as Bran and Rickon.
The man deserved it. But hey, you have to be a whinging little asshole apparently.
Malena Sander his arc on the show was abruptly destroyed. He came back to quickly die in a kamikaze fashion
Poor George. We're sorry they questioned you for writing characters that portray real world struggles and realities....
I mean frankly im glad they did. I love to hear his thoughts and how he writes his characters
The antagonists and protaganists of both the GOT and HOTD series are all mainly women which is fantastic and hardly sexist.
its funny cuz he writes them realisticaly and as actual people and shows their struggles in the world and aparently its ''sexist'' for women to struggle the stuff thats happening to the women and men is realistic to medieval times and eaven today in a lot places ,removing it wouldbe acting like issues like that dont exist ,they just dont wanna see the truth or act like it doesent happen
Mainly women? Joffrey, Ramsay, Euron, night king, little finger, roose, tywin, Frey, viserys etc.. No women orchestrated the red wedding. no women gave jon snow a hard time at castle black. no women are whitewalkers. That being said, I love asoiaf. We see women as more protagonists because grrm wrote them as pov but men are the more antagonist.
@@TJ-fe7rrCersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei Cersei
they’re mad about sexism in a show taking place in a medieval/feudalistic society? 😂
This is where we are unfortunately.
....played one of the recent call of duty games? They took an actual historic event of an all men squad and turned them all female.
That also has characters like Dany, Sansa, Brienne, and Arya? Did they even read the books?
And his story is way more progressive than the actual medieval world ever was. There’s women who are warriors and sole rulers of nations, both of which were extremely rare in our own world. Plus the ones who aren’t warriors or queens are extremely powerful politically.
Asoiaf is a pretty feminist series, yet these idiots still find nonsensical reasons to criticize the man. There’s just no winning for George sometimes.
@@brendan9868 then theres no reason to pander to it.
"You do that in Morocco and Moroccans show up." lmaooooo
And after that the interviewer still tries to push the issue in the face of common sense...asking if he has the ability to change this and that as a producer and consultant on the show. It's like she's saying: "OK, the book wasn't written with modern racism in mind and isn't therefore racist, and as far as television is concerned you can't accurately depict that economically on location...but some people freaked out about it, so....can we blame you, and if not, who do we blame?"
She doesn't even hear the answer given. She digs for some deeper meaning. She just wants to find the racist, sexist pig. And there is nothing to find.
How dare they!
@@adamchristensen2648 He's a white male. So he MUST be a racist, sexist pig, right?
I swear some people are training themselves to look for problems that sometimes just don't even exist.
Perfect response ;)
@Adam Christensen exactly, these kinds of people are pretty much looking for reasons to be offended.
You could look at Mr Martin's thought process when he was being asked those first questions, and while he could have came back with a smarty pants response he addressed it well. What an amazing man.
i want to really say that George's explanations are really insightful and his patience should really be applauded. A lesser author could easily get defensive or even hostile when accused of these things FOR SURE. I dont want to get angry at the interviewer or the audience because I think their concerns are valid.. this dialogue is about as healthy as it gets
Most of his answers boil down to "you didn't read the book"
Yeah, the show dropped a few balls here that the books didn't
Not really
Because the books don't have the issue of practicalities that the tv does. You don't need to shoot a book in one or the other part of the country and you don't need to pay people to play characters in your book.
@Drew Taylor whether they know or do not know, they can still question him on those things. That's like saying your lecturer shouldn't ask you a question on a subject the lecturer already know about.
They want his point of view on the matter not what they already know.
If i was in his position just to troll those retards i would only say over and over again "Read the book,
R e a d. T h e. B o o k
Interviewer: Asks George a question. George: *RUSTLING NOISES*
Don't forget the heart beat
His mic is so far up his beard lol
@@fawn8831 his mic on on his right lapel and rubbing against his shirt.
@@JamboLinnman Rustling woods.
Interviewer short hair Karen woman probably a member of the LGBQT community gender study teacher asks why her progressive woke political views aren't represented in GOT.....
Me: idk.... maybe because this is playing in some fantasy fiction Middle Ages rip off from English history which has very different norms, values and culture then the modern twitter mob????
I am honestly surprised by the sexism accusation. The book and show realistically depict sexism, but nothing wrong with that, an compared to Tolkien and other fantasy writers, the amount of good, complex female characters is amazing. Most fantasy genres just have the beautiful, virtuous princesses in distress, or the beautiful girl who yearns to be a warrior, but Martin had female characters of all ages, including ones characters that were…not hot, not young and not necessarily always virtuous, just people.
yeah, especially since you can not argue against sexism and call out for being wrong, if you pretend it does not exists!
he has so many examples of strong female characters and the bitter consequences of sexism.
Cercei for example was the child of tywins who agrees most with his values and shares his interest in legacy and all, but since she is female, he never even considered her, leading to her not having gotten the education and support needed to set her up propperly and leaving her bitter as hell. He lost everything he worked for to his biases.
Brienne gets rediculed all the time but she is the closest we will ever get, to a true knight, that actually holds up the virtues! Also she can stand up to most male opponents which only makes those more bitter towords her . . .
Thats not promoting sexism, nor is Meera and Osha acting as the boys protectors . . .
Yeah the femal characters are not perfect, like cat and cercei and yes also dany garner a lot of hate, but they are in no way portrayed as worse then the male characters who are just as flawed and at times vile.
Yeah, for real. I see a lot of people praise the kinds of female characters you described, but i honestly always found them boring. Martin's characters in general are incredible. People often talk about characters that "feel like real people", but for me, SoIaF characters were the first time i really felt like that. Most characters don't have nearly enough depth nor are put in situations where they have to make interesting choices.
Now, i come from a mostly Japanese background when it comes to fiction. And for me, characters in anime were always very boring. They don't stray from their archetypes much and often act very 2-dimensional. Everytime i see people talk about the "amazing writing in anime" i fucking chuckle. Discovering GRRM and his incredible book series last month was a very welcome breath of fresh air
Surprised? Congrats on waking up from your 20 year coma.
Yeah. It's why he sucks compared to Tolkien.
This woman speaks like she's trying to reach the minimum word count on an essay and she's short by 2 pages. She took almost 2 minutes to ask such a basic question
I love GRR Martin's replies. Non-defensive and educational at the same time
Aaron is Loud and Wireless actually hes very defensive of his work lol he just defended it right now whilst not even trying, just by saying the truth. I think you meant his tone isn’t defensive.
Its perfect. The way he responds. And those questions are so ridiculous. I dont know anyone whos ever honestly had these complaints.
@@Gruesome_j Yea his tone
Yep, reminded me of Tyrion.
Yup, I don't understand why people mock the question itself, it gave us a brilliant answer in the end. And it was asked in good faith too, as far as I can tell. Similar to the question about black GoT characters that he received at WSJ+.
George: “you have to separate the books from the TV show”
People who’ve seen season 8: “your goddamn right”
"The fact is, D&D, couldn't have done it without _me_ ."
You're
@Trevor Oman i just cant understand how are people making this spelling mistake mate
@Trevor Oman you're weird, why are ya so butthurt?
@Trevor Oman Why is fixing someones grammar a bad thing? Why is it seen as an attempt to seem smart? Why is bastardizing a language a good thing? If someone talked to me nonsensically in my native tongue I would be confused. Now imagine if someone who is learning a language learned the bastardized version first before understanding why those misunderstandings exist in the first place from native english speakers. If anything, the fact that english is one of the most spoken language in the world should mean that proper grammar is paramount when we're communicating with people all over the world.
Masa kita memperbolehkan kebodohan? Bego amet
I love how he always just keeps talking. It's great when interviewers can't/don't cut-off the only guy we wanna hear.
Hats off to George. These interviewers asks full on SAT essay prompts full of word vomit instead of succinct and direct questions. And he nails it every time.
I would surely be like “…um, what was your question again?” 🤣
Don't give these idiots credit. They're too dumb to distinguish between contemporary slavery and the fact that GOT mirrors the slavery of ancient history instead.
"women in the show/book only exist for titillation" - somebody didn't read the books or watch the show
I was just going to write that! Most of the heroes are women.
@@donnyh3497 But the guys dont get their kit off like the women do. In that way it is sexist.
@@hedkandicaine I might agree if I knew what "get there kit off" meant 😋
@@donnyh3497: WeAreAllNeo says you don't see male sensitive parts in the show. (Actually they have shown.)
@@Szopjale1 You dont, I've seen some old man who didnt have a big part (pun intended) in the show or other minor characters but when it comes to female nudity, there are alot of full frontal. Dont mind nudity, but it should be equal for both sexes, and comparative ages, and context. So like I said, you dont see men get their kit off like the women do, I didnt say men 'never get their kit off'
"When you do that in Morocco, Moroccans show up"
Very funny comment 👍🏼🤣
lots of moroccans are lightskin tho
@@algonzalez6853 yeah we have white and blond people too
@@SaidBKD95 now that i think about it, spain has 2 cities in morocco, george was kind of lying. They could've casted all races
@@algonzalez6853 And then you look at the spanish people living there and you see they look strangely similar to the Moroccans.
I want to get the full George R R experience for this interview. I watched the first 2 minutes today. I'm going to come back in 8 years to watch another couple minutes. And ... maybe I'll finish the rest of this before I die.
The power of the phrase "some people think", or "some feel", you can wedge whatever point you want to anyone with that as opening when said "some people" could literally be counted in one hand.
"When you do that in Morocco, Moroccans show up" Apparently that logic had escaped the people critiquing the show.
@romaneeconti02 Who asked you to spout your political bullshit when replying to my comment?
Hitler was, I think we can agree, one of the most despicable people of all time. He was also a Nationalistic Fascist. Very much not liberal. Stalin. Not liberal. Pol Pot not liberal.
Also there are parasites who burrow through a persons eye into the brain as part of their life cycle... that pretty despicable. And the flesh eating disease.
So yeah, your comment is, how did you put it? Oh yes, "unintelligent".
@romaneeconti02 The fact that you felt the need to ad hom in your reply speaks volumes.
"Nazism is a splitting image of modern liberalism"...?? Well shit, I must have missed the call from the liberal parties to go around killing Jews, gays, and to invade other nations for the glory of the supreme race. And you call me a moron? So a totalitarian ideology that was predicated on the supremacy of a single race in which one of the guiding principles was the total obedience to its Fuhrer where which one wasn't allowed to speak against his ideas is the same as allowing free thought, equality of races, freedom and democracy? Because that's what liberalism is based on. You are essentially saying the square is the same as the circle... and that's categorically wrong.
You make some good points BUT Seriously Is your head in the sand? You haven’t noticed the Democratic Party going more and more anti-Semitic. Congresswoman Omar was saying dumb stuff every other week. The Holocaust didn’t start over night. Anti-Semitic feeling were in Germany since at least 1880. First comes rhetoric before persecution and imo we have been seeing anti Jewish rhetoric coming out of the Democratic Party. AOC, Omar Talib. Anti Jewish sentiments on college campuses. It’s definitely out there.
@@ryanmccombs7874 I'm not from the US (And cheekily I might say thank goodness!) So I don't closely follow internal politics over there. However I am aware of some bad actors in the US, but I would not identify them as liberal, rather regressive. It doesn't matter if one claims to be liberal, if ones words and actions are anti liberal then one calling oneself liberal doesn't make one one.
On Anti-Semitic feelings: Yes, in fact the roots of anti Semitism goes back to around 380CE if I remember my history lectures correctly.
@romaneeconti02 Apologies, I meant authoritarian. I wasn't "claiming" Nazism was totalitarian, I simply got my terms mixed up. You are splitting hairs over the difference. My meaning was clear, and both totalitarianism and authoritarianism are horrible... IMO.
Your opening post talked about "liberals". Being more of a classical ilk myself I understood you to be having a nonsensical crack at liberalism. Now you've switched goal posts and apparently are talking about modern liberalism.
Here's a tip - next time be more precise. Because just as saying all feminists are crazy man hating monsters is a bullshit statement that doesn't take into account the vast variety of feminist thought, so is saying "Liberals are the most despicable and unintelligent forms of life in the world" complete bullshit and doesn't account for the different liberal thought.
Even then I'm not sure if I agree that modern liberalism is based on racism. If you said modern progressive-ism is based on racism you might have more of a case as progressives will make policy based entirely on race. As it stands you haven't made a case. You've simply stated something as if it were true.
Fun fact: Julius Caesar would’ve been a slave if his ransom wasn’t paid by his family when he was captured by pirates. He’s very correct when saying that slavery in Europe did not discriminate lol
Caesar even told his captors that their demands were too small and that they should ask for more!
@@pappy374 so said Caesar
By the way the story is probablt historical. It's the embelishment that Caesar put in his account that I'm mocking in my reply to Papy
Ceasar then did a Daenerys and murdered the pirates to death. Until they all died of being murdered.
Quite brutally. He crucified them, covered them in tar and set them on fire.
So very like Daenerys.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human Yeah. But Caesar also warned them that he'd come back with a huge fleet and execute them if they set him free. And so he did
1) cites nameless critiques without sharing her view to avoid responsibility
2) criticises the tv show and not the books
3) takes one example of sexposition and applies it to every role of sex in the show, while not taking responsibility for that view
4) claims the show uses a 'white saviour trope' without considering the books nor the practicalities of making a tv show
Excellent question
GGRM does a fine job of explaining the difference between the book and the TV show by bringing up the practical reality and economic constraints.
george is bored out his mind while it takes her 3 days to ask her question
He looks so unbothered while she’s talking
lmfao
I thought I was the only one yelling at my screen telling her to stop blabbering on.
I think he could already see where it was going and had already dismissed it and was just chilling while she lathered the compliments on hoping he wouldn't get annoyed at what was an obviously dumb and pretty flimsy question that lowkey accused him of racism and sexism.
I think he had to concentrate, to not forget the actual question until she was done. 😂
He could finish another chapter by the time she finishes asking that question.
Hmm maybe a page. But that stills takes months
And it would take 4892 of these questions for him to wrap up the series
Dude's got the block
Okay good point!
Yeah, I don't know why George bothers with interviews like this. Call me crazy but I'd rather read Winds than listen to people who think portraying sexism and racism IN FICTION is somehow problematic.
Sorry to upset your perfect balance of 666 Likes...
Great answers, awesome stuff. Where are his eyebrows though?
Martin: "'Slave' doesn't just mean 'black'"
Woke lady: *Pikachu surprise face*
that kind of mindset of labelling everyone in any minority that way is actually kind of unintentionally racist, but we can't explain that to those people without them losing their shit XD
"Boromir is my favorite character." "He fails in his final moments and you know, you're rooting for him"
-GRRM
"Let's cast Sean Bean as Ned Stark"
-Also GRRM
lol
"Oh look, they cast Sean Bean as the main character. I hope he doesn't die haha! (Even though he can't die because he's the main character!)"
- Me, watching season 1 before reading the books
@@violet-trash I started watching GoT before I knew anything about it and they were 3 seasons in. A friend leant me the seasons and I loved ned Stark. Though he was an awesome character. All the way up to him bowing his head and mouthing his last words I was waiting that one moment where some one comes out of no where and saves him. Nobody came and off went his head. It was shocking. But the red wedding still takes the cake on most surprising and shocking death scenes. I never thought they could kill off a main character let alone 2 at the same time.
You can argue that anything that exists is natural.
"Dying one of his many deaths" 🤣🤣
I'm glad he never apologised
yea because he has no reason to.
You don't apologize to these SJW types, you can never appease them.
@@FlowerTrollSan exactly then it'll be now apologise for this too....never ending shit
These questions are so stupid. George looks so done.
Got has the best female characters. It had many and most of them weren't there to be a love interest. Even the women who did have lovers weren't reduced to them(dany, cat, cersei etc) in most movies you'll find one "badass" woman who ends up falling in love with the main guy and then proceeds to get saved by him. Not in got. It had women who fought on their own(arya, brienne, ygritte), women who used their mind(cersei, sansa, Margery) and a woman who had badass dragons and charisma to lead whole armies and then had the balls to fight for her people with a sword(Dany)
I love how this guy literally has a good answer for everything. He doesn't evade. Everything he says is purposeful and thought out.
He actually evades,and tries to answer correct way,that they want to hear,reminding that book is different frim tv etc
Like his books ey
He physically cant
sneakin I feel kinda bad for laughing but that was hilarious
@@sneakin3274
Bruh 🤣
“Sean Bean dying one of his many deaths...” 😂😂😂😂😂
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@A. Dara - 🤣❤️
She gets so uncomfortable with his amazing answer that shes constantly trying to cut him off god damn
All it takes is one look and you can tell the type of person she is.
@@Martick05545 Karen, Kunt, Krazy, Klutz?
She didn't get the taste of blood she wanted, so she kept trying.
@@Martick05545 She's just interviewing him? Seems like you're ascribing maliciousness to her words that isn't there, just because of how she looks
0:35 George realising "oh boy, it's gonna be that kind of interview is it"
Dude is getting bashed about how he made his own world....
Based on the show wich differs from his books.
Not as much as with other adaptations, but still. Differences.
Hey George there is a perceived racist in a fictional world I’m horrified!!! For fuck sake
@@errolflynn610 Lady said a lot of words without saying much.
Also, "how he made his world" socially and politically is largely shaped by real world historical fact. In the books, GRRM is just being honest about what those situations were, while weaving it into a fantasy setting. We can effectively learn from the mistakes of what can be a very horrific history if we look at it with honest eyes, not sheltered eyes. Trying to suppress and make historical facts go away for the sake of pampering modern sensibility... that's just stupid and reckless.
🤣🤣🤣 It's totally ridiculous. If the want a perfect all inclusive word perhaps the should create one. But the don't create or invent. All they do is criticize and tear down. Lol it's so pathetic.
I love how he reminds people that slavery Didn’t just happen to black people.
Thats a proven fact he didn't remind anyone of anything lol
@@ominousbottleoflube Is there a point to that comment? Reminders can be given for anything, including facts.
Brainwasher Detective Agency
Martin says they casted who was available on location and the show and books handled it differently. The books had slavery more like Greek/Roman slavery. Where in there is the “oh and remember blk ppl aren’t the only ones who were slaves” lol.
Jerrick Jerrels it’s called a subtle point.
@@ominousbottleoflube There's lots of proven facts that get otherwise completely ignored, all for the benefit of pushing political, economic and financial narratives. If anything, lies make up the fabric of modern society to the point that so many people are willing to consider conspiracies more than they are willing to listen to the likely (or in the very least increasingly) state controlled media. Look in your university classes, on TV and (generally speaking) your youtube suggestions for an update on the currently accepted talking points and narratives.
loved the moment when i got my first copy of A Game of Thrones I went to the back to read about the author and it says he lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico and that made me so proud being from new mexico
People need to chill the fuck out. The story is a parallel to talk world history. Its not glorifying slavery or sexism ect...
Its recognizing it as a reality
"when you do that in Morocco - Moroccans show up" best line
@@moelester2797 mate im just commenting on a funny line
@Ragnarok what are you blathering about? Im stating that that's my favorite line of his in that conversation. Pretty open and shut case.
Scott Wellman what do you even mean “what are you blathering about”? Are you stupid?
I think she mixed up "critiques" with "baseless accusations"
Everything good has downsides too. Internet gave voice to all of us but also allowed some morons to call what they say 'critique' 😂 maybe it should become a protected term like dentist or dietitian
I think you're ascribing motive to the moderator that isn't there. The conversation she starts actually ends up being wide ranging and thought provoking, which you would know had you actually watched the conversation.
Yeah, I don't get that she's lending credibility to anything. These are concerns that have been raised and he was given a platform to explain why they have no real justification. That to me is a good thing.
Even if he was sexist or racist, who cares? He wrote a book series and that's that.
People should care. Not carrying often leads to baseless worship to the creator. We see this every entertainer or writer to this day.
How sad does your life have to be when you have nothing better to do than to look for any kind of societal mistake in a fantasy novel ? yet despite all those many critical needles that get poked at George, I really cherish him for how he does his best to oblige any and everyone, yet keeps an absolutely laid back posture like a Boss and delivers eloquent, factual answers that say it all, and manages to get the audience laughing. I dont just love his work, I like this guy, even if he has a silly laugh 😁
"George, your fantasy world isn't socially just."
".... yes?"
why is so hard to answer questions?
no need to be so defensive, maybe?
@@jacobroper6276medievel world wasnt socialy just
There is simple explanation - some ppl are extremely stupid and it's expected to ask mega stupid questions...
Game of Thrones has some of greatest female characters of all time... This is just... So ridiculous.
Don't you get it? It is never enough. Every Time you try to be inclusive some other minority will come out of nowhere and claim racism/sexism/whatever.
No sorry. A self-proclaimed public Speaker for said minority will come out and bitch about it.
That's what I was thinking. Brianne, Arya, Lyanna Stark (aka the Knight of the Laughing Tree), the sandsnakes, Meera Reed, etc are all valent warriors. Then you have characters like Cersei and Dany who are not warriors but make sure their interests are heard in other ways. I'm not sure if I know another adult fantasy series (as opposed to teenage girl fantasy series) with more strong female characters.
Edit: just going by books do that's why people like Lyanna Mormont are missing.
@@endersdragon34 The best female characters are Dany and Cercei. Not strong warriors but strong characters.
@Dingle Barry Sansa has achieved nothing alone the entire show. Her character has grown through hardships, but her attitude doesn't match her accomplishments. She has this "mastermind" attitude that has no reality. Arya has had a nice character arch, but now the show has made her basically unstoppable and it's ruining what was built for her. Honestly, once the book material ended, this show has gone drastically downhill. I used to agree with Sansa being a well written character, but they have pushed it way too far without having anything to backup the change lately.
That' the cancer of modern feminism for you.
I find it interesting. They were in Morocco and imagine if they had brought in white extras rather than hire locals....
Legit what I thought, there would be a whole speech of erasing the moroccans etc etc
The question is rather why they chose Morocoo as the place to film the scenes for slaver‘s bay...
Abdol Sabor Salek Well it perfectly fit with what Yunkai looked like in the books so it makes sense also let’s not forget North Africa’s very nice history of being slavers in the real world it works pretty well tbh.
Cobra4811 Now you’re contradicting GRRM. He claimed that the slaves in in the books were not picked by racial lines but just „randomly“. You now claiming that real life Moroccans look similar to them just contradicts his statement. Which one is it now?
Your second argument also is weird. There are soooo many they she could have picked for slaver‘s bay like Turkey (Ottoman Empire), the US etc. But they picked an area that would not come directly to mind when talking about slavery.
Abdol Sabor Salek wtf that has nothing to do with what I said you just straw manning hard
As he answers the question she quickly shuts up
Makes sense that lady’s asking the question with that haircut lmao
George takes a long time and shows a lot of patience to say: “No. Your question is stupid.”
Good to see you here man. Keep on producing what you do.
Look at how they phrase things. They clearly didn’t read the books, didn’t even know the exact relation of George in the TV series (how much he is involved, etc.); they were unprepared.
Actually no, they were prepared, they prepared themselves enough from Twitter.
"yeah.... Uh hu.... Yeah yeah... Yeah... Yeah.. right.... Uh hu..... Yeah.... Yes"
Well actually he's intelligent so he didn't get offended at the question he just answered respectfully and intelligently because he recognized this question wasn't an accusation it was an attempt to get an author's response to the accusations in question. You are sensitive
“I reject your hypothesis”. - Quentin Tarantino
My main take away from this? Apparently it's pronounced "Dothrak-eye".
That means everyone in the show has been pronouncing it wrong😂
Justafan IV, Dothrakai
When did he say that ? the vedio is really long!
I refuse to accept this.
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You can appreciate a guy who gives a straight answer to a round about question
George answered these questions phenomenally
The look on his face. "Good lord, why am I wasting my time with these idiots?"
Very much agree. He's written a series of interrelated narratives that are connected on several levels, and the common thread is that he is dealing with humans that come out of his own personal experience and aspirations, and then our common context of being among other tribes, and then trying to span his stories into the distant past in medieval times when life would, for instance, never tolerate this kind of PC SJW stupidity. In fact the latter would be swatted aside as an annoying bug! So it is that these times of over-riding self-absorption means that Martin must put up with the left's insistence on over-defining every little 'sensitive' thing, until the truth is beaten to death. Good thing that this impending chaos does still have some pushback from some sharp minds of our day!
I notice that right away lol. If I ever wrote something as complicated and dense with interesting story as the GoT series and they ask me questions about political implications in the real world, especially along these bullshit lines, I'd just leave the interview. Or if there's an audience I'd tell the interviewer to ask me things about my books (so I wouldnt disappoint the audience by leaving).
I don’t think it’s crazy to have this conversation, but I think GRRM’s answers were good. What he’s said in the past that’s made the most sense to me is that most fantasy novels are very Eurocentric because they’re written by Europeans. We will get high quality writing that’s more diverse when a more diverse group of authors begin writing great books.
Look on his face : "I've got NO pages"
Came to write the same thing
My man has the look and facial expressions of a 1890s railroad tycoon
Who the hell is leviticus Cornwall?
Antagonist preacher in 1950’s Alabama
More like an oil magnet in 1899
2shls N G A V I N ?
FACTS Jesus Christ
If you find everything to be racist, that says more about you than the thing you're critiquing
It shows a lack of critical thinking. And i’d think them as not having good comprehension skills. It’s very rare these days to see someone with actual views, they got from actual experiences. Now a days its all just band wagon. A he said - she said. Instead of a proper account.
I'm not gonna say as a dude in his 20s that I didn't find the sex scenes "titillating", but for sure this was the first show for me that was this gory and this sexual and showing absolutely everything and shocking the viewers with death and whatnot. It really made for a compelling world because it never felt like television. Television doesn't show you that kind of stuff. They hint or they pan away. There's a scene where Sansa is almost raped in an allyway until the hound steps in to save her and I was horrified because there were moments I actually thought the show was gonna let that happen and show it too, they had shown so much already I actually didn't know what they'd do.
What do they expect from a series based on Medieval times?
What do you mean there isn't a feminist rally in Medieval Europe?
@@Golgari213 No and I hate to be the one to tell you but I don't think they were having any table talks about race relations either.
@@Julia-vo6or it was a joke so uovote my comment.
@@Golgari213 lol Bradley I was joking to I liked your comment.
@@Julia-vo6or wait the knights of the round table didn’t have the table for talking about race relations??? 🤭
The guy asking about Jaime’s amputated hand keeps spinning it as if George made it that way so that he could show representation to all the under appreciated people who live with stumped limbs or have to use artificial limbs, and hardly touching on the fact that he was once arrogant over his skill with the sword and the loss of that ability makes him realise who he is without it and starts to humanise in that he is mortal l.
Ally he interviewers kept twisting his words because he was beating their invalid argument.
So much character growth in these books. Amazing
@@toby1061 I’m sure he knew what he was getting into when he agreed to the interview, and he was probably handsomely paid for his appearance.
Him taking in all that ignorance, and beeing polite enough to answer with "your question covers a lot of ground" and her arrogant response "you are talking to a proffesor here, haha" after having so little respect for his achievements 🤢
The kind of feminist that thinks "if i just acuse the single most famous people, some of that fame will rub off on me".
Seriously, concidering the kind of Female characters that George wrote i can't think off any other reason why this woman would acuse him. Its beyond arrogant and ignorant.
George's take on the redemption arc remembered me of the quote in Skyrim: "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
imagine a world where fiction isn't taken as if it is reality.
Go back 20 years ago and you would have the opposite problem. People mocking and belittling you for wasting time with things that aren’t real. I honestly don’t know which is worse.
@@mikekane2492 I of course don’t believe that they are at the same level but I also think that at some point you have to admit that fiction is an important part to our culture, and there for help to build our morals and values. Now obviously we shouldn’t be screaming over that the main character is a male or something but I believe that we need to have a discussion about how much bigotry in cinema and books actually can filter into our daily lives. I hope I don’t even have to explain that we shouldn’t censor fiction and that writers of course has to have the right to write about whatever they want, since if we don’t let them have that right we are restraining their minds and creativity and therefore breaking the human rights by the UN.
@@Melker_A “ we need to have a discussion about how much bigotry in cinema and books actually can filter into our daily lives.”
First there needs to be some _reasonable_ concordance over what precisely constitutes “bigotry” in any credible sense. Alas the parameters that traditionally define prejudice have become disquietingly blurred in recent times...
Regardless, there’s a demonstrable profusion of _anti-white/male_ bigotry emanating from the likes of Hollywood these days... but I rather suspect you’re not alluding to _that_ sort. ;)
@@makara80 I’m not alluding to any specific kind of injustice. I recognize that there is prejudice in everything. It doesn’t matter if its coming or going to a person who’s black, white, christian, atheist, a person who likes pineapple on pizza or people who doesn’t like pineapple on pizza.
My argument was more of a philosophical kind. I wasn’t directing it to any specific person or event. All I am saying is that discrimination always starts somewhere, sometimes it is because of a toxic person in your life or a bad living environment. But I believe that fiction and the part it plays in our culture also has to do with it. So if a generation of fiction writers write successful works that have prejudice undertones, it will reflect on that society’s culture. This then becomes a perpetual cycle, where a new generation of writers grow up believing the same myths or discriminatory beliefs the previous generations work coined.
At the core of it I think we can at least somewhat agree on that.
@@mikekane2492 Hot damn man, calm down. None of that was in any way what Vioar actually said.
If people saying that belittling others for enjoying fiction is wrong offends you, then perhaps you're not very mature...?
George Martin saw no problem because there is no problem.
Game of Thrones is too white
@@notleftvsrightnationalismv4666 wtf does that mean
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It means he hates white people. Very simple.
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So what?
@@notleftvsrightnationalismv4666 why?? whats too white?? the fact is its regionally accurate...warm climbs more variations of skin tones ..in the cold north lighter skin tones..seems fine to me.
the way she try to make him say that he wasn't okey with the way the creators of the show depicted characters and sexuality in the show, and the way he throw that away saying he was just fine with it is clearly satisfying to see.
It’s set in a fantasy world that’s based loosely on the Middle Ages. It’s written to reflect the outlook of the characters, who would undoubtedly be racist and sexist for the most part.
I’m reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy at the moment, and it’s set in the old West. There’s lots of racism towards Mexicans, Native Americans and black people in the book, but it’s obviously not written as a reflection of McCarthy’s views. It’s written to reflect the time it’s set in.
Martin makes some good points about "gray" characters. Too often, certainly in recent media, we're becoming accustomed to people being either "good" or "bad". If for instance a character is somewhat sexist, he _has_ to be incompetent/dishonorable/cowardly/violent etc as well, with no redeeming qualities. And he _has_ to lose and be shamed. We've gotten too comfortable seeing the world as black and white, but people aren't like that. Everyone has good and bad traits within them, and we actually _change_ as we have more experiences to shape us and change our perspectives.
And thats is the reason why i like this saga.
I think this is why season 8 fell flat for many. A lot of the characters became caricatures of their good or bad qualities, or worse completely flipped. I liked the show because of how “gray” it really was. It’s a fantasy show but it showed how humans really are. At least in my opinion
thats why I stopped watching movies and series nearly entirely and switched to books.
@@kingplunger6033 I prefer books over movies and shows. This interview is very ridiculous, even though I have never read nor seen GOT. Just wait until they read Gillian Flynn’s books, they’re heads are going to exploded.
Honestly, if anything, if we’re talking very recent, I’d say people are too forgiving for “grey characters” when a lot of them are just terrible people, and the character or the fans, or both, use one redeeming quality or a sad backstory to justify their terrible actions.
That woman's hairstyle asked all the questions before she did.
Many people will not understand this joke lol
or maybe the interviewer had nothing to do with these accusations. She never told us her personal opinion. Don't be so quick to judge
@@Joullele9
You are asking too much from people who desperatly want to act smart.
Nicolas Broodryk preeeeeach
Nicolas Broodryk Best joke I’ve ever heard in my life. Well done, sir.
Sometimes I think people don’t ask questions to get answers but to make themselves sound brilliant by asking convoluted and long questions.
What i like about he his understanding and portrayal of grey issues. Not everything is clear cut ,black and white. There are nuances that need to be considered and hard conversations most of us likely avoid.
I’m starting to think that a lot of these “critiques” that the interviewers are talking about are their own.
Why are so many people one sided!
Screw tradition!
They’re not. Dummy
Probably more like HER own lol
They definitely are
The last things slaves care about when they’re being freed is what color their savior is.
U couldn't be more wrong.
TMD-W he does have a point, a common stigma now is that african americans constantly use slavery as a means to shame whites are unvalidate their side. When it was a white government who wrote the emancipation proclamation.
@@benjamincollins95 But it didn't do so out of kindness or without public pressure coming from the civil rights movement.
Also it is not about the question how slaves in the real world would feel about this, but about why a (white) writer/director depicts the freeing of slaves in a certain way. Martin made it clear, that the depiction of that scene in the tv-show is due to practical reasons while shooting and thats perfectly fine in my books. But not knowing that, i think, the question why a white person is the savior of thousands of people of colour is justified, since they are again depicted as passive and somewhat dependent on the active white girl.
@@brutalfunkcore not to mention the white savior is a very common trope and i think it makes sense for people to be tired of seeing this
SkyBlue file that under, ‘Things White People Say’.
Dude! please finish chronicles of ice and fire....for god sake it's been long enough!
Honestly, I struggle to think of any artist less sexist than GRRM. I mean good lord just look at the female heroes he's created!! Brienne? Arya? DANY?
Horrible interviewers, they just want to hear themselves saying clever things more than the actual answer George gives
Very well put, seems like they miss a lot of key points.
Agreed. Too often questions are 3-4 minutes long.
The 1st "question" just killed me. The interviewer was rambling for minutes
7:12 . . . someone got triggered by brown people
George looks very bored by the questions.
"You're a talker. Talkers make me thirsty."
OneMeanArtist, and hungry. Bring me one of those chickens.
IrishPotato86 You got money to pay for it?
Benjamin Collins not a penny
Knight Spectre I’ll still take one of those chickens
You are going to die for some chickens?
How can she even be allowed to sit asking these questions to an Artist about their life work, which is a genius copy-paste of human history ?!?
Artists do things because they do them. If you don't like the result just ignore it and move on to millions of other artists work that will fit you emotionally.
i noticed that if you want to write a fantasy book you def. need that R.R in your name, R R Tolkien, R R Martin etc..both created two of the greatest literary works of the last century
He is very measured, very thoughtful and very interesting. He speaks so well!
Unlike most of this comment section....
It's really nice seeing his well spoken phrasing contrasting the bloated Tomlin sitting in the chair across from him.
I know. I would have cussed them out. Guess that's why I'm not a famous writer
The dude takes years to carefully plan how his characters speak and act and how they see things, I'm glad that he takes as much care into a majority of what he says.
GRR whispers into the microphone, "Fucking liberals. It was about slavery socialism, ain't that what you want?"
Jesus I'm a minute and a half in and I'm still waiting for the damn question. George's patience is better than mine.
Zachary Bryant I'm at 1:15 and I'm struggling
I had to skip than lost interest just cause I knew she’s reaching
@@Hope-Truth-Light lol GRRM is subtly giving her the middle finger at 1:28
Yeah she's aweful. They couldnt find or make concise questions for the man? Hes getting older it would just be polite...
I'm not sure how used you are to academic settings, but these kinds of questions are of normal length for university discussions (as this interview is). The goal is to get the context for the question (which is often from a critical position not exhausted by everyday common sense) clear so that the interviewee can actually get an idea of how to answer.
In other wors, she is not reaching, she is specifying.
I'm very impressed at how this man can keep a level head and ignore the fact that all his interviewers ask him yes/no questions
With Morocco though, there are many different ethnic groups and people range from skin color and hair texture. Berber, Arab, Jewish, Senegalese, Spanish, and some French ancestry from colonization.
“Sean bean dying one of his many deaths”
Its his work, he doesnt have to justify anything. Im a black woman and I honestly dont care
I wouldn't attend something like this again if I was him if this is the type of nonsense they want to talk about.
@@AKSBSU It's just the game currently played. George knows this and is pretty well equipped for it imo. These are promotional events, which ultimately contribute to him making a lot of money. George is by all means a businessman.
I am a humongous fan of George and in my opinion he's the best writer of any TV show ever. That scene was very striking to me and there was such a big visual difference between her who is already very pale with blond hair (even for a white person), and the slaves that she was freeing who are all dark skin dark hair. So to say it's not noticeable is pretty bizarre. I didn't take it as racism though. Because she was freeing people in that particular City, and in that City the people were pretty homogeneous raced. It wasn't like black people enslaved by white people and she was a perfect white savior. It was Danny freeing people as usual, and those people happen to be that race.
And I don't think it is predatory for the talk show to bring it up because it was something that people were talking about, and it is both interesting for the audience and also an opportunity for him to clear things up without it being a big deal. They weren't railroading him to try to make him look like a bad guy lol.
I thought it was a relevant interview question, and a sound answer.
@@tasharice2781 It's typical for this type of activism, if Daenerys frees them (which I would certainly hope happened) it's racist because she's the "white savior," but if she didn't free them she's racist for upholding slavery or white supremacy or whatever bullshit. No matter what the character does, they will say it's racist and terrible because otherwise they have no purpose if they don't have a grievance to whine about.
@@AKSBSU Yup. I was reading this thinking, Martin must hate white people then because he killed damn near every one of them on the show(in his books)! LOL People are too serious today(or sensitive?).
What the heck did the lady mean in the beginning with her multilayered question when she threw in that ASOIAF has "phalic constructions of power"? Did she mean to say like patriarchal? But what would that inarticulate question even mean?
That Boromir Ned Stark bit at the end got me good 😂
She really had to dance around the question to make it seem like it's not a dumb question... but it's still a dumb question.
its what they do lol. Can not say it in simple normal terms otherwise it will just sound fucking stupid. But put the sjw filter and boom, overly complex full of big words = legit high iq question.
LMFAO
LMAO! Best comment!
Just look at her..lol
LOL exactly what I was thinking, so true
“When you do that in Morocco, Moroccans show up”
👏🏼 George I frikken love you. People have to stop politicising everything
is he talking about the unsullied, but moroccans aren't black?
Plenty of Moroccans are black....
@@rai2423 i'm talking about the majority not the black immigrants from subsaharan africa, indigenous moroccans are not black, and the majority are caucasian
Umm NO. The majority of moroccans are multi-racial, a mix of a whole munch of ethnic groups. And there are plenty of moroccans who are just as native as their arab counter parts who are BLACK.
@@rai2423
what are you talking about, i'm moroccan, genetic studies show that there are these ethnic groups: berbers aka amazighs who are indeginous to the land and there is the arabized berbers, there's also arabs, and then there is black moroccans who are the product of black slavery in the past.
Minute and a half to ask, do you think the criticism on the general sexposition in the show and white saviour trope in reference to Dany are valid?
incredible that after all his work hes having to answer a question like this