Here's Everything the Porsche Dealer Found Broken On the Cheapest 911 *THEY FAILED*
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Savage Scotty? I'm so going to miss those fancy parties!
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Hoovies Garage lmao
Well if making dumb decisions gets you a house like that. By all means sign me up
Hoovies Garage Sometimes it’s alright to do this. You’re going to save a lot of people the time and money by not going there in the end. It’s a small sacrifice to not go to a party you’re invited to by the same people you see these points of concern with.
I have been told from the time I started looking at cars I know I had my first at 12 but obviously not on the road and I was working on it, my family told me if i need work done when I go to put they car on the road ask around and find a highly recommended local Guy, you may need a specialist but your local Guy will know one if you need it. Most things I will try to do but I know I have a limit.
It was a "contactless" inspection - they didn't even touch it.
NICE!!!
6’ distance.
pencil whipped it
Corona inspection
Great comment
I like when smart Hoovie shows up from time to time. We all know he’s no fool.
Agreed. He knows all the ins and outs of how a business should be run.
Mama didn't raise no fool
Aussie As. YES!!
That ^^^^
@chris younts A smart person learns from their failures, a wise person learns from the failures of others. This period of Tyler's life seems to be going just fine. Perhaps he's learned from previous experiences.
A good and honest mechanic is worth his weight in gold. Every car guy should take the time to develop a solid relationship with one. And they're out there! Typically not found in a dealership though.
Tyler have you and the wiz are ever thought of putting together a “car wizard” network? So people like me that don’t have one can find one where I live? / Or is there a forum or blogs out there?
They can be found in dealerships, too! The problem is usually how many other channels are involved.
Yep I need one
Couldn't agree more. And i have one! Works on one car at a time, on his front drive, and what he doesn't know about cars, isn't worth knowing, my very own Scotty Kilmer. A really nice guy who never charges me anywhere near enough money for his time and i always, every time pay him over the top.
This staement is worth its weight in gold...so true
Moral of the story: Do not buy an exotic and/or special car unless you live near a car wizard.
I was going to buy a broken ‘91 NSX but then realized I have no car wizard.
@@yammmit It's a Honda, you should have bought it.
Or just don't buy cheapest anything.
Correct I drove Jaguars for years only made possible by an honest Jag wizard with reasonable prices
Luckily I happen to know one!
The dealer lowballed the estimate to get hoovie to agree to the repair, then they would add the other repairs while in the shop and push the job to 10grand or more!
yup had that done to me :(
@@thecrow7 Me as well... a couple of times. The problem was that i live in a small country with only one Porsche dealer, and i didn't know any people in the know..
A bit of a tip to anyone buying a used Porsche. Get yourself in a "local" Porsche club or group, get to know people that drive them, and they'll point you to a good mechanic.
Never go to the dealer out of warranty.
Actually Benz service was my best experience at a dealer ever. Who would have thought...
I'm really surprised this was not mentioned in the video. It should be very obvious to both Hoovie and Dave
@@janezpungartnik3149 the Audi/Porsche dealer that I go to for various things is actually really good. prefer it to any of the independent shops I've gone to. the guy I deal with has the same year Audi S4 as me, and is very reasonable. They got me extended warranty for something I didn't have all the requirements for, and have even given me discounts on labor. So there are some good ones, but it's definitely not common.
Exactly what they did. Get it in for 6K estimate, get it torn down then take you to the cleaners.
You must have only paid for the strip club inspection: eyes on, hands off.
Admranger funny as hell
It's actually called The Covid inspection 😂.
good one brother im laughing my ass off right now!!!
You need to go to a better grade of strip club...
🤣🤣🔥🔥
I don’t trust dealer repairs anymore. Took my work van to a Chevy dealer once to get some stuff done. After I drove out of the service parking lot the van wouldn’t shift into 3rd gear. Turned around (drove like 500 feet), went into the office and they told me I have to schedule an appointment and pay $150 up front JUST for diagnostics. Long story short went to private mechanic apparently they disconnected a transmission sensor and acted like they didn’t know anything.
I have a 06 Chevy equinox just to change one spark plug and a water pump it was like two weeks I was like fuck that a priviate mechanic got it done in a day I for hella less
normal dealer behhavior
"I might have burned a bridge there!" Yeah, I'd say that's an understatement.
I really like when bigger RUclipsrs are giving honest information. Hoovie could have been paid to say that dealer was amazing. But since hoovie is an honest man and won’t lie to his viewers he did the right thing. Wish more people did this........
He's probably pissed they didn't comp the PPI for the exposure he was going to give them. Some companies just don't get it.
MVMT watches...cough
From what he said in his video, every man and his dog are complaining about them. If he was to say they gave good service, everyone would know it was BS. It would hurt his own reputation.
@Quix I remember when he was just a burger baron that just did RUclips for Giggles.
its me bruh😭
There is so much value in finding a mechanic you trust, that can talk to you about the issues.
My trusted mechanic is now 50 miles away from where I live, it's worth the fuel (and having to take the bus home etc) to know that I'm being treated fairly and treated right, though.
Exactly. I have a great mechanic and I completely trust him and he has yet to disappoint me. He lives about 2 miles from my house so...
It is for sure. And now four years later we are friends with my mechanic.
FixDriveRideFly . 100% this....
It really is like finding a good therapist who you feel really comfortable with.
BMW of Manhattan did the exact same thing to me when I initially got my V12 760li and took it in for their analysis - their estimate of repairs was $12,400! Local shop fixed everything for a couple grand.
If the car isnt brand spanking new with 1,000 miles on it then it’ll be cheaper at your local shop 10 times out of time. Buick dealership quoted me 9 grand to source and swap the engine for my 1990 reatta (i paid 2900 for my car mind you) , took it to the local shop and paid 2 and a half for a brand new (30,000 miles but pretty much) l67 with the supercharger added and put that in. Dealerships are a joke
A good mechanic/technician are getting harder to find. The Wizard seems to be very knowledgeable and very affordable compared to dealership prices. He's also thorough and honest. You better keep him around and slip him a decent Christmas bonus!
THIS is a sub-par car dealership, and today I’m going to take you on a tour of all its quirks and features, then get blacklisted from it, and give it a Hoov score
lol, these so called "mega" dealer families are all over. In my area, if I want to buy from a stealership that isn't in the same family of ownership, I have to travel nearly 4 hours. The same family owns every single dealership in a 350 mile range. Basically an entire state's dealerships are owned by a single family. There is no negotiating, no price competition.
Hahaha! Why did I read this in Doug’s voice?😂
Chubbysumo what state is this?
I love when hoovie gets pissed when he says this like doug demero ps is that how you spell his last name?
@@alexdrummond2435 DeMuro
It's odd to hear him say he got lucky with a car purchase.
He jinxed it af, I am telling you right now. :D
well, we know he got lucky at least once, he has a new baby to prove it! lol
But he also got lucky with his aston, weezard gave him a thumbs up on that.
And he's mad about it
If you could hear him say that
It made me wonder if I clicked the wrong channel.
Props to standing up and keeping your dignity Hoovie! Sounds like this group either won't be in business much longer or will get gobbled up by Penske or AutoNation.
He’s so used to high mechanic bills, he gets angry when it’s too low
I'd get angry too, if an inspection didn't catch obvious safetyrelated issues.
@@muhdaimanharith The dealership is no better than any qualified mechanic.
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Well of course, his business model depends on it ;)
I guarantee you they didn’t jack that car up at the dealer.
Agree... Assessed the steering rack by low power steering fluid level.
But they will jack the estimate if he books it in
@@modmod392 truth.
Probably thought this guy can’t afford repairs why waste our time
I bet it was good old oh it's old cheap model so he's not gonna do anything anyway so may as well scare him off.
Anyone who has access to a great tech like the car wizard should never go to a stealership. Nice Porsche by the way!
And this guy is still too expensive.
@@Psych0technic bro he works on exotics. His prices are why hes stolen so many customers from the stealership. Hes cheaper than them and still provides the same service to their nice cars. You dont take your Lamborghini or Ferrari to a corner garage that charges 90 bucks an hour. Theyll fuck it up or be irresponsible and take it for a drive
Psychotechnic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing....ignore him he is a moron
Just so you know this is one dealer, and not all of them are like that. the dealer I go to I will stay with until I switch brands or there is a legitimate issue with service like what happened to Hoovie
i need a mechanic i can just pull up thru the back door like a good friend, maybe lend a hand and trust he will do quality work at fair prices.
Ironic when the dealer doesn't even bother trying to screw you.
The screw comes with dessert.
When I was a insurance adjuster, I found most dealer service centers didnt want to even bother with vehicles unless it was warranty repair. That's probably why you got the dealer inspection shaft. Totaling your vehicle becomes paramount to make you go away.
For the "dumbest auto channel on RUclips", this is by far the most intelligent video you have made.
Lol he’s talking common sense economics lmao it’s not that insane
only just.........and this is still dumbass. It's awful.
Porsche Dealer: I can't find anything wrong whit the suspension on Hoovies 911!
Car Wizzard: Hold my beard...
More like, “hold my flashlight”
The beard thing made me laugh 😂
😆 classic
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Also consider replacing the infamous IMS (intermediate shaft) bearing if this has not been done. M96 motors are prone to this bearing failing. This car is high mileage, so this should be done if it hasn't been already. Use compressed air to blow out the radiators. If you are going to track the car, consider a deep sump or Accusump to protect the motor. Also, if you are a serious track guy, consider a Motorsports AOS (air-oil separator). I personally use Castrol 5W-40 Edge in my street Porsches with very good luck. Stay away from that "other" oil if possible. Then go have fun and tear it up!
I have never loved my Corolla so much as I do after watching this.
I would never buy a Porsche because I could not pay 1k for a window regulator.
If you do all the work yourself it's not too bad I own and work on my cayenne and a 996 turbo
Corollas are fantastic cars
I have a Corolla and a 335i best of both worlds 🤗
Porsche Lover so like how much $ you taking yearly maintenance doing the work yourself.
Being from Minnesota, as soon as he started bad mouthing the new owners, I knew it had to be Walser. Looked online, yep it's Walser.
HughesReview haha yes I’m from Minnesota too. People stand on bridges over the highway and protest against them with signs lmao
Used to work at the corporate headquarters for Walser lol of course it was 😂
Is walser really that bad lol
Coulda been Denny Hecker! Lol
@@jmac240sx Hey - Denny may not have paid his bills, may not have submitted your paperwork, may not have paid his taxes, and may have been running a huge ponzi scheme for something like 30 years.... but at least he had integrity.
the mutual respect and trust hoovie and the wizard have for each other is so wholesome...
I know right!!!!
It's all an act.
It’s because there relationship is mutually beneficial
It’s like 2 chicks finger-banging
The absolute definition of wholesome
Wholesome definition: Tyler and Wiz’s relationship
Application: Tyler and Wiz’s beneficial friendship is so wholesome. It warms my heart, similar to 2 lesbanesians finger-banging
I wonder how much the Porsche dealer would charge for a finger-banging?
:0)
Dude, just drop the top and enjoy your ride as is. A convertible on a great day is a joy ride no matter what the car. The Wizard is on top of his game. This guy is a gem!
It really sucks for someone who is basing their purchase on a ppi. I paid for a ppi for my 996 and it also had very little "wrong" but after getting it realized It needed front suspension and a few other things that were never told to me. Good episode!
My old man used to say, "when you find a good mechanic, you find a good friend" , fortunately I have found my good friend. And it looks like you have found it too..
Hoovie: "I don't want to bash them too much"
Wiz: "Stripped out oil drain plug"
Me, an ex apprentice tech: "Stop, they're already dead"
Sly Simpsons reference i like 👍
What?
I had a PPI done at a Porsche dealership here in Germany a few years ago. I think the hourly rate was actually cheaper, but still very much on the high end.
I am in no way a mechanic so I wanted to have a professional take a look at it. Also the asking price was quite an incestment for me, so I asked to go in the garage to have a look mysself. I knew I would not spot anything that wasn't glaringly obvious, but I also knew I would be angry at myself if I spent that much money and there was something obvious I could have seen.
When I came in, the mechanic was just about to lower the car from the stand again as he was just finished. I told him I would like to have a look myself, we went from front to back, he said something like the suspension parts look good and I just took his word for it, other then rattling at some things and probably look stupid I would not have known what to do anyway. He said the car was basicly fine for its age.
When we came to the back I noticed quite a bit of oil on one side of the engine. I asked "Where is the oil coming from?" to which he replied "What oil?" One side of the exhaust system was comletely covered in it, I thought the guy was joking. He was not, "Oh I missed that"... I mean finding out where it was actually coming from was probably more work than I paid for, but not noticing it at all, the guy did not even look. There were some other small issues with the car, but mostly I did not trust the dealerships oppinion after that so I did not buy the car.
Yes, I wanted to buy a used car from a private guy, and just went to the dealership for an inspection. Since I did not live there it was also clear I would not have any future work done there. But paying over 100€ for about 1 hour work that should not matter, for that price do a good job or do not offer the service in the first place.
Thanks for the great, educational video. I have noticed the same things with the local Porsche dealer. Those parts are quite often ”rare” and not in the warehouse right now and naturally have to be ordered outboard. Which was expensive. The situation suddenly changed when another company started offering Porsche parts and maintenance.
10:25 “can you see the vibration” bruh look at the sun visors
Lol, thats how i noticed too
The visors... heck, Tyler himself looked like he was in a vibrating massage chair.
if you can see it on video second hand how the hell do you miss it in real life
@@boxedfender4810 They didn't. They just wanted him to pay more for another inspection. Probably takes them about 15 different inspections to diagnose a car, lol.
They be rollin’
Most of us know the game... A regular Joe walks into a Service Dealer and wants an inspection on an older "new purchase". They see that you never been to their dealership and they want to make a lifelong customer. They give you a "Good Report" and you gladly agree to get your car up-to-date according to dealer specs.They clean it and hand you a PAID invoice with the Luxury dealerships Logo on it.You take your car home and you start noticing the same sounds,creeks etc.You take it back and they tell you that so and so needs to be replaced.You ask them why they didn't catch it the first time and they just give you that sad look .They will help you out on the price because you already spend thousands and they also give you a very nice rental car.
They start fixing it again and thats when you get a call that they found a critical issue that must be addressed urgently. They can't help you on the price because the parts are OEM and there is no wiggle room here.You don't mine too much because you will get to keep their expensive rental for "free" for awhile and the dealership, out of the goodness of their heart, will help out with the labor since the car is already on the rack.
You take the car home and notice other things, noises etc.
This is the game ladies and gents.They play it every single day.
SouthBeach Bulliez dawg chill, you’re giving away my secrets. I gotta pay the bills
This is why it is so important to be educated on the car market before you buy a new or used car, Thanks for your insight, my dude!
Not every service shop , but every dealership yes.
That's the way I saw it from the start. They saw Hoovie as a golden chicken about to bring them many golden eggs and they didn't want to scare him away.
DAM YOU!!!!! for being so accurate!!
I hope more fine mechanics like this one is out there for the enthusiasts who care and love their cars! Keep it up and thx guys!
Bottom line: find a good independent mechanic you can trust. I am SO glad I did that a few years back. Best decision going forward with my cars.
It’s the first time I see Hoovie legitimately upset over something
As he should be. To be honest, he got ripped of.
Reasonable. They tried to take him to the damn cleaners.
Came across like a setup, but his displeasure is well founded.
Totally a setup. He had a beef already
I wouldn't call it a setup. They could have just done what he paid them for and been fine.
they probably undercut the inspection to get you in the door then once they started working on it they would drop the bomb and say now it needs all this stuff fixed
Surely grounds for a lawsuit? That's deception. They'd be liable for you buying a lemon. The whole point of getting a pre-purchase inspection to avoid buying a lemon.
What a joke.
James Hall you would have to agree to the rest off the work so that wouldn’t work
They just did a bad inspection
Dealer: Treat it as a lease we’ll buy it back at this value
Relative: Okay
Everyone Else: You got this agreement in a contract, right?
@DaToNyOyO Whats wrong with rainbow sparkles in the paintwork, lol.
I saw that scam coming as soon as Hoovie mentioned it. The dealership just want you to take the car and wash their hands of any responsibility. As soon as you take the car, it’s your problem.
Good video! As a tech in the industry, I like to hear the truth about some service shops, good or bad. Keep it up!
“I might have burned a bridge there” lmao, yes, you may have. Seems as though it was a bridge that needed burning though.
No, he BOMBED that bridge.. you can rebuild after bridge fires.. this was the bridge over the river Kwai kind of bombing.
@@tripprogers4814 Actually, the "Bridge on the River Kwai" (which wasn't actually even on that river - it was renamed after the fact) was never bombed. The railway that fed it from Burma was.
I read that as he said it
I just remember blowing up a lot of bridges playing River Raid on Atari 2600
it sounds like the damn dealership needs burning. ugh. a good dealership can singlehandedly make a brand ubiquitous in a city, or completely turn people off of a brand of car in a smaller city.
Hoovie: “oh, I don’t wanna bash them too much”
Also Hoovie: *has spent last 15 minutes of video destroying the dealer’s reputation* 😂
They destroyed their own reputation. All he spoke was the truth (we assume). If not, they'll sue him.
They absolutely destroy their own reputation
Dealer: Welp, time to sell the business....
If you can’t ace the mystery shop you deserve the review you get.
If someone is murdering prostitutes, you're not really destroying their reputation by telling the cops.
Totally digging the 80's private investigator/detective soundtrack during the driving scenes.
My deepest condolences to you Tyler
I hope you an your family will get through this
Extremely impressed with the car wizards reasonable prices and thoroughness, so much clearer than dealing with dealers holy cow
Wizard could make owning an expensive car like this relatively affordable (in comparison to dealership prices).
The reason I became a tech myself was partly because I found most techs were useless. The old saying `if you want something done right, do it yourself` rings true in so many situations.
MeesterDash First off...good for you! I tend to fall into that category of fix it yourself, too. Having grown up around car dealerships, and Porsche dealerships in particular, I am well familiar with the issues you and Hoovie describe. It was a big part of the reason why my Dad stopped being a Porsche mechanic in the 70s. So this problem is not new. Second, to give a bit of deference to the mechanics themselves, I think the problem is the dealership pricing scheme for repairs. The flat rate system screws the mechanic who can't let the vehicle go back to the customer with a problem not truly fixed, so he ends up giving away time for free on more complicated jobs. Meanwhile the dealership forces him to grossly overcharge for more routine work. On the whole I think dealerships and the new car dealership system is a dinosaur that will soon be extinct.
@@djc6394 also these Germany manufacturers they are goal is to make money so they design most parts which will go bad in new thousand miles is business
Love the rant. Love the Wizard. Now bring it to your Porsche-collector friends' mechanic for his Post Purchase Inspection!
The dealership knows they are clowned on and despised, they don’t care lol.
We may not have car wizards but I can assure you my new to me, 15 yr old Aston that I payed under $30k for, will never see an Aston dealership.
Well, you might drive by one some day...
It's the PPI that is the scary part. I'm with you on not taking it to the stealership but heck I need a PPI to get me in the ballpark something I can gauge off of.. and dealers in my opinion don't want their own product IF it's not a new model
@@admranger LoL.... So not the inside at least! 🤣
@@JR_harlow and I don't even know what a PPI is, but I'm sure my mechanic who is also my neighbor and one of my best friends does. And he is with me for every test drive and helps decide to buy or not.... He has yet to steer me wrong..... So I guess I do have a wizard.....
@@paulcunningham5327 pre purchase inspection. PPI I was going this route as I've been on the hunt for a 2004 996 911 Targa. It's the same inspection he got done but after buying it. To take a Porsche to a Porsche mechanic non dealer of course but purpose would be basically like what he did is to get an idea how much things that you're not all that aware of or like on a 911 things you can't see, you want to get a price how much to get it all squared up and the car in as close to perfect or whatever shape maybe not cosmetic that's more of a visual inspection for the most part but like another guy posted they give you a good PPI you buy it find out things are wrong then they start an ambush and the dealer is always top-dollar so it can turn into a deep hole even if you have to get an inspection that way also... point is if the inspection is not accurate then you have been duped
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Just found your videos, and this one made me subscribe. Great content with the wizard! Keep it up!
You are too funny! Made me laugh! Thanks!. I just bought a 2000 Porsche identical to yours. I had it inspected at a local “European imports” type shop. $190, minimal details. They told me that I needed a new air filter (it was new changed by me 2 days before) so clearly they didn’t even look, $1100 for the front brakes, $1100 to change ignition coils and spark plugs and $160 to “degrease” the engine because there is a tiny area near the oil filter that is dirty.
Lol dealership doesn’t find enough wrong with hoovie car.
Hoovie: ok I’m just gonna rant, tells all the bad things that have happened to all his friends haha dam hoovie went in!
Porsche mechanic: Lost my job today.
Friend: oh damn!! Bloody corona virus !!
Porsche mechanic No, Hoovie.
Probably the mechanic will get a higher position because he plays the game like his boss expects it. The fish smells from the top.
Is he really a mechanic?
@Not Hitler could you imagine how much business Hoovie brings the wizard ? I'd probably fix his stuff for a 6 pack too lol
Your rear window had the exact same problem as mine and it's kind of an s.o.b. to get out and put it back together. You can buy the rebuild kit for both rear windows on eBay for like $160
Your high-pitched soundtrack reminds me of my childhood watching anime and old movies. I guess thats good. It brings back not just memories but also emotions.
10:49
When GM has better tech service than Porsche. As a Chevy guy even I think that’s ridiculous.
It's Corona season lol. The whole point was contactless service so they probably haven't perfected the method jeez
Msd42276 Decoop my dad took his 911 turbo at the local Porsche dealer. They did an awesome job. He never saw a single engine light or anything after that. He abused tf outta that car for 2 years and nothing. I had to take my Toyota Sienna for service more than that thing😂
The problem with Porsche dealer is, that Porsche demands highly skilled mechanics and the dealer are also in a training program, but afterwards the higly skilled mechanics hire elsewere for a better paid job. As Porsche dealer in the US i would charge the mechanics for the traing with a fee and with each year in work they could reduce the trainig bill by 20%. If they leave after the trainig for a other company who would beneift from the trainig, the remaining bill is due. - Like a sports club with top player...
I really like how you put everything in one video, a lot of youtubers would split both inspections into separate videos
Lol that's true at least 2 to 5 videos
He makes more if we watch a single long video than multiple small ones though. Most youtubers dont have an audience who would watch one this long though.
You mean Freddy? Lol
I've never expected different from any dealership. Top dollar for top level incompetence. I'm not a professional mechanic, but a professional musician and trusting a big dealership is like thinking you're going to go into a Guitar Center and buy something that's not broken. Just the way it is. Always a smaller, more financially sound, competent, knowledgeable and CARING solution out there than the big jerk offs. Thankful I have some great indy's around me, but shops that don't know what OEM stands for, or how to do a google search and read a forum have happily got me into what diy's I can handle. I'm very grateful for that, otherwise may not have grown the balls to do it. Indeed, they failed but Hoovie you WON!!
For a man with yachts, planes and private islands, courtesy of Tyler, the Wizard appears to be like a regular mechanic and quite down to earth.
When the smartest guy in the room pretends to be dumb because he's playing a character.
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Whistlin' Diesel is the dumbest automotive channel on RUclips. This one doesn't come close.
People should know he’s been playing a great character for years. I don’t think he’s fake but sometimes playing up to the camera is what gets you infamy. Look at Cleetus McFarland as an example.
Pretending to see yourself as a bit dumb is actually the best way to get arrogant people off guard and being likeable for most. By always trying to toot your own horn you are not giving a good image of yourself, and if you feel like you need to do it it's because what you are advocating about yourself is really not obvious... and maybe who you aspire to be instead of who you are. Tyler is definitely a very smart and likeable guy.
I thought he was playing Mario Kart
Interesting seeing a case of investigative journalism for once. Good job! That's real journalism right there.
Thanks for re-confirming the facts :)
Nothing better than a good trustworthy mechanic. I have 2 of those.
Awesome videos. Looks you have a ton I have to catch up on. We love what you do.
Right now we are building a Jeep Wrangler on our page. Unsure which vehicle next. We have many
The wizard saying “uh oh” with a little grin made me bust out laughing.
Dollar dollar bills y'all 💵 😏
This is the angriest I've ever seen Hoovie
Wasn't he angrier when his ML55 got stolen?
Well said, and well done. Never had too much experience with PoW, but BMW of Wichita has gone so far downhill from when it was Joe Self compared to Walser. Family has gone elsewhere out of town for new purchases/leases.
Brilliantly executed vid, with a simple theme. A subject which many are aware of, but which does no harm to remind us of periodically. Thank you :)
It’s sad that I live in NC, and know exactly what dealer you’re talking about. I have my own story about that place, but will refrain from sharing so I don’t get angry all over again.
I had good experiences with Foreign Cars Italia in Greensboro (I don’t know if it is still called that, it’s the Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin dealership on I-40). I live in NW NC now, in the mountains.
I’m from High Point NC and there’s another place off I-40 called carr industry’s if you have a bmw, Mercedes, or Porsche that’s the place too go!
They didn’t get that fancy ‘campus’ (ya you mean a big lot) doing 20 yr old 911 inspections haha
I recently purchased a cayman and had the inspection done at the Porsche dealership and they missed just about everything as well. Their prices were insane too. This was on the east coast. Glad I found a nice local place.
hoovie the only person who mad that their repair estimate wasnt high enough. I would have shat my pants with a 7k repair bill
This is a really great advertisement for going to a great local trusted mechanic over the dealer :)
I've been in the industry for a decade and I can confidently say there are still far too many dealers like this. Thank you for putting this one on blast for this inexcusable mentality.
Standard market targeting for dealerships like these: people who unknowingly pay their ridiculous prices for vehicles.
This video underscores why I try to do as much of my own maintenance as I possibly can on my vehicles. Dealer visits are a last ditch effort to save me from having to replace a car...or get a recall done.
My post purchase repair bill was $5k on my 996, but included clutch and IMS. Used a local independent porsche specialist.
local independent specialist are the best
A lot of the stuff on this car is potential DIY. Front suspension, brakes, motor mounts. Maybe even the steering rack.
@@GarthGoldberg Have you seen Hoovie work on a car? Baa ha ha ha...
@@Mellowbiker Does he even own any tools?
Yeah my experience with independent specialists is great. Even if their hourly wage is higher I feel like it's almost always worth it because they can diagnose and work on the car so much faster. I've had stuff the dealer couldn't figure out in hours take a specialist 5 minutes to diagnose.
Anyone still wanna complain that the Wizard is overcharging? :D
Judging from the look of the place, these guys must be an authorized dealership, right? I wonder what Porsche or Porsche USA would have to say about their work philosophy. Not even being able or willing to hand a customer a professional, typo-free estimate with all sums done should be reason enough for the company to bring out their version of a dunce cap and to force these guys to get their act together.
The Porsche dealer should have been smart enough to roll out the royal red carpet for Hoovie, especially because he is of course a RUclipsr. Now, because they did a shitty job, they only created a shitload of bad advertising for themselves. Shame on them.....
yeah not good. That is bad press. I understand the Wizard being cheaper, but Porsche shouldn't have missed all this stuff on the car.
Yeah, the same is true of our local BMW dealer: unprofessional, not able to give a decent estimate, acting superior to the customer. Never again. Always use an independent mechanic!
@@jeffzekas Yes. You don't get the service you pay for, you get the mechanic you pay for. The Porsche dealership may charge $190/hr, but they are paying their mechanic $25.
@@kjparlay yes, and the mechanics have to supply their own tools.
I will drive to Kansas for my Porsche work.
What I know about Hoovie is his he is particular and opinionated.
How much more precious can this be?
Good presentation !
Great video! Dealer pricing and quality of service has gotten so out of hand! They easily will charge double for service with no additional benefit. I’m now all about finding a good independent mechanic and sticking with them.
Tyler Hoover recieves 7 grand repair bill.
HOW DARE YOU!!! UNDERCHARGE ME
While I was growing up in northern Oklahoma back in the '70-'89' time frame...the whole family would rather go to Wichita then OKC...so much has changed...lol
Great job on a nice Porsche.
For anyone reading this (yes...that means you too): I hope you have a great day & be safe.
I've realized Tyler is becoming a bizzaro world version of Harry's Garage
YES, I enjoy both of them immensely, though Harry does provide more commentary about the driving.
It's really interesting, the two of 'em for different reasons.
Bond and Beyond it makes sense when you think back to each others’ backgrounds...Hoovie worked in an auto dealership and has a bone to pick with crappy ones that don’t at least TRY to look like they’re doing their job re: service. Harry was an automotive journalist for a high-end publication (evo) and knows the marketing and drive-testing world inside and out; ergo the differences in styles (I figured you probably knew all that but put it in for those that might not know). Cheers!
I'm a service advisor at a Honda dealer. When someone brings their car in for an inspection, I charge them 1 hour ($135), and I make sure the technician tells them EVERYTHING going on with the car. I do not let them do a half ass job on checking out the car. 1 hour diagnosis to basically do a multi-point inspection is gravy work, and I insist the techs be very thorough in their inspection. Most of the time, the tech's spend like 15 minutes on the car tops...The least they could do it be thorough.
My dad, and one of his Mechanics that work for him call dealerships..." Stealerships" for a reason. Wizard will find loads more wrong than the dealer!!
Wow! Your dad and one his Mechanics are geniuses...no one, in the history of automobiles, has EVER thought to call them "stealerships." That's just so original, I can't get over the fact I've only heard it about 10,000 times (or more) previously.
@Drakilicious his Jr mechanic said it we all like the phrase so it kind of stuck, but yes if he didn't coin it would be fun to know who said it first :)
This brings back the joy I felt when you used to have the Apollo 911
This passion of yours. I love it.
Lol - top rant and that dealer won't be letting you in the door again 😂
But good on you 👍
It's actually shocking that they didn't find the engine mounts and suspension faults, that's unforgivable. The airbag diagnosis charge seems reasonable now, given the module isn't communicating (so they might have actually plugged in to check codes and got the same result as the Car Wizard). I'm really surprised they didn't pick up that it's impossible to see out of the rear window because it's gone opaque with sun damage tbh - that's such an obvious thing staring them in the face that they should have noted down in a pre-purchase inspection.
"WALSER!" There, I said it. Thanks, Tyler, for another honest, no punches pulled review! Stay safe and keep 'em coming!
Craig W. Scribner I bought a VW from Walser in MN and the sales guy took money off. He was then fired.
Hoovie's real plan: "I should of got this inspected before I bought, but didn't cause I wanted content."
Works for me!
This is what I like about independent mechanic shops. They usually don't charge you for an inspection. Takes him 5 minutes to scan the airbag meanwhile Porsche wants another 1.5hrs at $190/hour on top of the $190 they have already charged this man.
I had a similar experience at an Acura dealership. 45 minutes to scan the ECU for power steering faults for a warranty issue that they refused to cover... takes no more than 5 minutes to scan...
This dealership is a total joke!
I have a C300 and had a similar experience at Mercedes-Benz in Phoenix and they didn’t figure out a lot of suspension issues and power searing leak as well
I was a high end dealer tech and left to start my own place. Digitial inspections with video, exceptional customer service, only the highest skilled techs who get paid salary, not flat rate, etc. etc. etc. car dealerships are only going to be for warranty in the near future. They dug themself a huge hole they can not get out of.
Kurt Kennedy no we didn’t.
Kurt Kennedy yes. Spoken like someone who actually knows what goes on in dealers. God bless
They don't make any money on new car sales, so they need to rip you on parts and service.
The inspection with video is pretty cool. My dad recently had his cx-5 brought in for its free second oil change(10k miles) since he bought it new and after it was done they sent him a video message of them checking the brake pads clearance and even how many 32nds of an inch were left on each of the tires. Its dealers like that who are good solid dealers, its the shitty dealers to stay away from.
@@Anonymous594 Yes, you did. The franchise model is decades out of date and rife with corruption. It's starting to smell.
The best automotive channel on RUclips actually
i agree
Michael Ruiz
The best and the dumbest
Correction: Scotty Kilmer is the best.
Michael Ruiz I would never categorize it as the “best”. But I’m subscribed to like 10-15 automotive channels, look at all the videos on first come/first serve basis, and Hoovie is the only one I watch immediately, jumping ahead of the queue... So maybe it is the best after all, just looking at the raw facts.
@@johna.4334 Scotty is a pompous Ass who is not consistent, even with Mopar and Nissan. His workspace is atrocious even the police told him to clean it up. And whats with the cat pillow?
I’m a Porsche mechanic. And also a dentist.
Dang man talkn bout dang ol makin it rain, dang ol big bucks man.
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
2 Porsche stereotypes in one package. Impressive
Love the Porsche content on the channel.
Service Manager: “that’s that Hoovie guy, he ain’t gonna fix anything so glance at the car and kick it out of the door!”
That's exactly what happened. They know he had no intention of using them. Not defending their laziness though.
Agreed. I worked at a dealership like this so I've seen this kind of job from the inside. The pressure to turn out jobs in a day means you don't have the slack time to take a technician off other work you ARE getting paid to fix to just diagnose a list for a guy who is going to drive away to his normal garage, give them the diagnostic sheet from us and say "here's what's wrong, fix it for me".
That said, Tyler paid for diagnostic, and the technician report should have reflected the time spent on the car. Yes the profit per work hour is terrible, and I understand it'll drag the sold hours for the day down, but when it's someone this well known you would have thought they'd cover thier backs a bit better, despite knowing it's going to hurt thier day/week figures.
If you don’t want to do the inspection and the inspection doesn’t pay: don’t do it. Say no to the customer. Say it’s too busy. By doing a half ass job you’re helping no one.
I used to work for a small used car dealership. When someone really liked a car but was on the fence about its condition, I'd always recommend they get a mechanic's shop they trusted to perform a Buyer's Inspection. It's no different than hiring a Home Inspector to help you identify issues before buying a house.
You hire them to find the problems on your behalf.
If they deliberately gave bad service to the guy that has possibly the most influence among their customers and potential customers... then they are IDIOTS.
I only ever go to the dealership for recalls
Michael Surfer - even for recalls it is questionable.
No, I go to the Dealership for recalls. That way if it fucks up (like in the case of my newly replaced Takata Airbags), I can SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THE STEALERSHIP & HONDA! If I had the work done somewhere else, (most likely) I wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally.
Those airbags have reportedly been exploding & sending pieces of shrapnel into the vehicle occupants when they go off. I don't trust the new ones any more than I do the ones they are replacing just due to the widespread failures.
Other examples are the unintended acceleration in Toyota Camrys, & "failure to go into park" with Jeep Cherokees. It's not that I don't trust the competence of local shops, but when it comes to safety issues. These Corporations will look for ANY WAY to get out of a Litigious Situation. Don't give them that opportunity.
Love the star trek reference!!!
Gotta love the brand image thing, that whole approach looks pretty much identical to every other Mini, BMW and Porsche dealership in the world!