Peter, could you start asking people how long they have had these opinions? Because I'm sure these grown adults did not have these beliefs even 5 years ago.
Lol. Yeah that sums up most of these conversations Peter has with people. It's obvious most people don't work through the logic of their positions until someone else does it for them.
@@OmnipotentJC Yeah. In light of all the evidence showing that people do not use rationality to form their values, it’s kind of weird that people in the rationalist community continue advocating for a rationalist approach to politics. Seems to be the rational thing to do would be to accept that most people are by and large irrational in this area of their lives, and to use a more emotional approach to achieve our goals.
I think they mostly post rationalise things to fit whatever evidence they like, but its rarely the true reason they hold the beleif to start with, I think it mostly comes from a moral position, "being compassionate to trans people is what good people do, and I want to be a good person", anything that disagrees with that gets thrown by the wayside
@@jeffcapes There’s overwhelming evidence that shows this to be the case. That’s why I personally believe reason is a good way of persuading people, but emotional appeals are better.
Sex is not "assigned" at birth. It is simply "observed" or "noted" at birth. If gender is fluid, but biological sex is fixed by nature, why must biological sex be transformed unnaturally to mimic the opposite sex when one's gender identity doesn't match one's biological sex. It seems to make more sense to simply ask society to accept those biological males who are more effeminate than others and those biological females who are more masculine than others. Regarding those who say they "feel like" the gender that is opposite their biological sex, I don't know how this is even possible. In reality, none of us actually know what anyone outside of our own body feels, let alone what those in bodies of the opposite biological sex feels. I know what it feels like to be me, but I can't honestly say that all other biological males experience life as I do. I know that women are different than men, but I've never experienced life as a woman, so I don't know how I would possibly have a clue about how "being a woman" feels. It's nothing more than conjecture, really. And it's unlikely there will ever be a way to change one's chromosomes or DNA. If one puts Ferrari rims on a Chevy, it's still a Chevy. One cannot change their sex. Period. End of story.
Your common sense and logical reasoning make sense to most of us but for the select few that experience gender dysphoria they are unable to grasp the reality of their biological sex. Biological sex is one of the most binary things there is in nature, everything else is a continuum. No matter how strong the desire to have the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics of another gender, no amount of self-claiming, hormonal injections or any amount surgery will ever change your fix biological sex.
@@paulmaloney2383 Well-stated. That doctors are so willingly transitioning children will, most certainly, go down in history as one of America's worst crimes.
I'd go one further and say that you can't even know what it is to be any other man. You only have your experience of manhood and you have no way of comparing it with others' experiences. Therefore we should dispense entirely with the argument that feelings mean anything substantive and focus on the real world of biology.
They dont. They will never know what it feels like to have excruciating cramps from 11 years old or younger and bleed from a vagina. Then they will never know what it feels like to get pregnant. Period. These Woman are a disgrace to all Women. Disgusts me the brainwashing. Which this type of confusion has destroyed civilizations. History repeats.
Everything about males and females is different. Our sex organs of course but also our skeletons, our musculature, tendons and ligaments, our brains function differently, our emotions are predictably different. You cannot “feel” like a woman unless you are. You may have a fetish about having a vagina or wearing women’s clothes but you can’t possibly “feel” like a woman unless you are female. That said, it should be a persons choice to wear clothes typically associated with women or makeup or whatever else you feel like donning but you are the sex you are and there is no changing that. You can be whatever type of male you want to be or whatever type of female you want to be but you are in fact that sex and you can’t change it.
It continues to amaze me how many people are completely oblivious to the biological definition of sex as a reproductive role. It's not determined by secondary characteristics like chromosomes or genetalia; sex is determined by an organism's potential to produce either large, immobile gametes (eggs) or small, mobile gametes (sperm). The former individuals are - by definition - female, and the latter are - by definition - male. And unless there is some highly advanced gene editing method that I'm unaware of, there is *no* possible way to change one's sex and start producing the opposite gamete type. As Helen Joyce once put it, it's not just the breasts and vagina and estrogen that makes her a female... *every single cell* of her body carries that reproductive role.
And the hole they fashion is for penetration only, reducing the vagina to something that simply provides pleasure for others...it's unbelievably offensive.
Boggled my mind. Has basic science class content been altered??? Maybe this is the root cause of the COMPLETE IDIOCY and confusion these people are spouting. They did alter the definition of "vaccine" to include "gene therapy" in 2020. Just goes to show ANYTHING can be changed and you won't even realise till the next generation is talking bullshit in the streets
how is this different from chromosomes? Would it be incorrect to say that only a person with XX chromosomes has the potential to produce large, immobile gametes (eggs) ?
I was under the impression that sperm is just produced by the testies and eggs are from the ovary. I suppose I never gave the time to think about if it were possible to transplant them into someone else. And if you did transplant it to the opposite sex, would the body know what to do with it?
Watching these 4 adults grapple with understanding and making sense of these questions leads me to the conclusion that this is not a question or decision that we should be giving to children. If adults can’t understand it how on earth do we expect children to. This is a very dangerous experiment that can only lead to mind bending confusion.
They expect children to be groomed and indoctrinated like they claim the traditional role children are placed. They think that its okay to progressively teach children to become what they aren’t meant to be. That’s how they expect children to understand. Like ABC’s and 123’s. The human mind isnt fully developed until around age 25 so thats plenty of time to mold our nations youth into a nightmare.
@@lilyvonshtuup that's the problem, children believe what adults tell them, they don't know any better because they haven't had enough life experience to gain a sufficient knowledge base to question what they're being told & if the adult is someone the child admires like a TV celebrity/movie star, online influencer, a trusted caregiver like a parent, teacher, therapist, or doctor they tend to believe these adults. Kids believe Santa & the Easter Bunny is real. Children live in fantasy & have no issues accepting & believing they are dragons, dogs, cats, firefighters, astronauts, boys, girls, the list is endless. This is why pushing this delusional gender ideology onto young minds is criminal. It's taking advantage of their innocence & naivety.
If anything, it’s “gender identity assigned at birth”. Conceptually, that makes sense to me. The activist types want to focus on sex though, because they want health insurance to pay for sex, reassignment surgery. If the focus were on gender, it has a lot less weight in the healthcare systems.
@@SeaTeaSnow gender identity is made up. It is not assigned at birth. At best you can assert that social constructs play a role in sex/gender stereotypes. This is a far cry from what the gender theory crowd assert.
Agreed. the reason for this term is that trans ideologists picked it so they could push their narrative. Avoid playing on the enemies chosen field of battle. Seriously, all of us fighting this nonsense could stand to reread Art of War.
It’s so sad that the young woman has had her notion of what a woman is reduced to if there is a hole between a person’s legs, no matter how it got there
@lovesilk1 a woman is- and can only ever be - an adult human being who was born biologically female. A man can never be a woman - in any way, shape or form.
The problem is that so many people have never actually thought about it for themselves. That’s why the one lady sounded so confused: because she was trying to explain what she’s been told is “correct” and has never actually thought about whether it actually makes sense or not.
That's because people never needed to think about this stuff until institutional activists convinced them that it was possible to change sexes with technology. If they knew what those surgeries actually did they would likely be horrified; but the reality of what they are is too inconceivable to cut through the I inherent disbelief people have when confronted with them. It's a horror that even Lovecraft could not have conceived, and the consequences will be existentially devastating
Exactly. That girl absolutely knows that her boyfriend could easily overpower her but still denies it to be "kind". It wouldn't even matter to her if all womens sports would collapse. Maybe bc she hadn't done a situp in the last 5 years. 🤔
@@justmy2cents652 while their “being kind” biological males are destroying the hopes & dreams (also safety & fairness ) of young girls (biological females) in sports alone. Where I live we have biological males in prison for very very serious crimes with with who didn’t pay their TV license. Sometimes their lick up for 23 hours a day for “their safety” This ideology is a danger to women & children. Especially gender non conforming kids.
@@justmy2cents652 The problem is that when we talk about "women's sports" we're usually talking about "men's sports done by women" in which men will naturally outperform any woman. In actual women's sports like synchronized swimming there isn't even a men's category in the Olympics and I don't see anyone crying about it because men are clearly inferior at it. I tend to think that getting rid of sex categories in professional sports would actually improve women's sports and new ones would emerge.
@@Dan_Capone I'm guessing every woman who is active in sports which you would call "men's sports" would disagree. And I think it is misogynistic nonsense to limit women to activities like gymnastics and synchronized swimming. Why is it so hard to accept/understand that in some spaces it is just a nobrainer to seperate via sex? Now we should forbid women to do certain sports bc men have an advantage in those? Seriously?!
The far left opperates very much religion, they're scared to say what they think since they'll be shunned by the group. They believe it because they're told they have to. Most of the US is removed from reality if you think about how many are religous.
In these experiments people definitely choose a line that they arent really sure about and cant back up but spew random tangents to try and prove their point. This for the more outrageous people opting for lines that are the woke answers
Interestingly she allowed the person who, after experiencing an accident undergoing genital surgery, to "choose". But the cis guy who underwent a random tragic accident is irrevocably now intersex...
Technically they become intersex or a eunuch. They no longer produce testosterone. That is itself basic biological reality. I think castration complex or fear falls into this for some people. They simply can't accept that it could happen to them and it would change them physically externally and internally. If you aren't producing testosterone it will also effect you mentally and you will be more emotional.
As a 64 year old woman who were subjected to all the unfair advantage to men, I am astounded that we are expected to give up so much of our wins. Just like that, women sport is back to extreme discrimination. Any fool knows that a man is stronger/faster than a woman physically. All a man now has to do is to say they identify as a woman and they are guaranteed to win with far less effort and talent. Plus they win the financial benefits in prizes. That a young woman would think that is a good move, sickens me. We have lost the plot as humanity. I hope this is a temporary condition. If not, we are screwed.
Exactly! Women fought for single sex bathrooms to be added at work because there was so much sexual assault in shared bathrooms, women were just holding it for 12 hours which was physically damaging. Young women these days act like it's no big deal to just let some men back into those spaces, like they've forgotten the suffering of our ancestors 😢
Well, you know the strength of those who support the idea, that's for sure. This particular idea is incredibly weak and incoherent, yet so many self-professed liberals are perfectly willing to overlook the vicious, even violent, suppression of free speech in order to protect the idea from any real scrutiny. It's absolutely mind-boggling.
00:37:00 “On average, are men stronger than women?” *Loooooong pause* “Are we talking… like…strength?” 😢 It’s amazing how the women with conviction that biological men should be able to play women’s sport clearly don’t play competitive sport.
@@PowderedToastMan661 it’s quite wrong to assume that biological men always have the advantage in women’s sports. I mean, look at that Finnish figure skater 😂
Interestingly, the one participant contradicts herself moments later. Turned to the other participant and said 'we're just different'. Also, notice her grimace when Peter asks 'on average are men stronger than women'.
These 2 women are all over the place. Sex matters, then it doesn't, it can be tested, but it doesn't matter. I mean do they even have a standard they would adhere to?
Leftist drones adjust as the conversation goes, what is true from one moment to the next constantly changes as needed. Nothing is stable (especially their mental state) and nothing is consistent, their entire existence is based on subjective delusional reality.
The standard they adhere to is that that nothing can prevent a man becoming a woman, and that if there is this thing called female and only some women can have it, that is unacceptable. Therefore the meaning of "female" has to change. And then we are forced to use terms like AMAB in situations where the truth is still needed. The truth is so stigmatized that it has to be relegated to the status of an embarrassing mistake.
It's a mantra you supposed to repeat it until it becomes reality. Indoctrination is on full swing, the rest of us need to get on board. If you don't agree with that then you are label as a bigot and dismissed.
It’s actually doublethink: Cognitive dissonance brought on by political indoctrination as opposed to being a natural phenomenon of their psychology. Nobody holds these beliefs naturally.
That old guy is so embarrassing. He knows the truth but wants to be relevant to the younger crowd. We all know that men can't be women and women can't be men. It's a facade, a delusion.
It's not my job to accuse someone who says they're convinced (of something) of being secretly unconvinced, that sounds too much like evangelicals saying atheists actually _do_ believe in god, but just 'deny his existence' because 'they want to sin'.
@@DoublespeakNPC I agree. He's the kind of guy I'd cross the street to avoid, and NOT because of his physical appearance, but because of his frenetic attitude. "Methinks he doth protest too much" about his alleged inability to differentiate men from women. 😳🙇🏾♀️😖
Yeah, and the fact that they lack the reasoning tools (despite seeming reasonably intelligent/educated) to understand exactly how FLAWED their logic is is very concerning. Lots of people just don't know HOW to think anymore.
Yes, like two naughty monkeys who have found a saw and are now avidly taking turns enthusiastically sawing away at the very branch they're standing upon while a lion sits calmly basking in the sun at the foot of the tree awaiting the delivery of his midday meal that will be the sole inevitable outcome of such ill-conceived adventurism. Survival of the fittest in slow-motion.
Do you think the conservatives that have taken the opposite side are actually fighting for women's rights? When historically they haven't cared about them or they have directly fought against them? I only see people latching onto arguments to further their agenda making it look more positive.
You know what the problem is... there people didn't come to those conclusions by themselves. They are using language made up by ideologues and are repeating the talking points of the ideology. Basically they have a religious stance, based on beliefs and not backed by evidence.
@afuzzycreature8387 Sure, to some extent definition & categories are used all day without examination, but my gut sense there’s a difference between a definition of cheese based on a long history of real world experience and a movement that, at its core I believe, is gaslighting people to believe the opposite of reality: “This IS that. Silence IS violence. Trns women ARE women. Freedom IS slavery.”
@@afuzzycreature8387yes, but we haven't accepted ideas without utility. When you come across euphemisms you know it's emphasising a narrower frame of reference, or it's a gambit to change the definition/epistemology of common parlance. This is being done for an ulterior motive, that is evidence of ideology and not empirical objectivity.
No worse, because it’s not backed up by research, years and centuries, sources, and also cross verified by its opposer…. Science is religions opposer and as far as I can tell the belief in religion is backed by scripture, dates, CENTURIES of passing on stories and knowledge, and religions own opposer even verifies some dates and artifacts and what not, or even has natural explanations for some of the supernatural things described in religion…… Literally the only evidence this whole movement has is that people sometimes are attracted to just about anything, and also will make themselves appear and act in any way they deem fit…. So a man can love a man, but there’s still a MAN (and a woman) like, I can put on a wig and stuff my shirt and make myself appear “more like a woman” but that doesn’t make me not man or even something else or inbetween….. it’s so funny this whole ideology. All the different sun categories of rainbow people also in fight and make claims that “debunk” or “erase” the “truth” and and legitimacy and the experience of other rainbow groups…. Hell it seems even gender dysphoria and trans people genuinely seem to go through hell and have no idea what’s even going on with THEMSELVES. How can you even claim that you can claim to be something? Last time I checked your identity was based on how OTHERS view you…. Identity is negotiated with society….. you can’t identify as something that others refuse you are EVEN if those others are LYING! Think about it, someone could lie about your identity and even though it’s not true, because that person is lying, others might think it’s true and that can effect you LIKE it’s true! Got ‘em there too! Literally I can’t imagine the mental pain/gymnastics these wackos must put themselves through….. like, gay people exist, people who claim they are the OPPOSITE sex exist, people claim to be all sorts of thing, do all sorts of things too. But at the end of the day, you are what you are. The harder you try to pretend your not-the harder your life will be and the harder you make it for ALL those around you. What’s with the PUSH for all this crap? Last time I checked, gay people and trans people just are gay or trans and find that out on their own and make all the changes themselves without being told how to do it or what they should do….. don’t need the propaganda because the propaganda will only confuse CONFUSED and SUSCEPTIBLE people. The real gays and trans find a way to be gay and trans lol…. If everyone knows what gender they feel like even as a CHILD then surely we don’t have to talk about it at ALL no?
You have the genitals you have, yet are somehow "assigned". When we finally get over this lunacy, there is going to be a lot of denial and cringe when people look back at how irrational the human psyche can be.
The girls start out by saying that sex and gender are different, and then spend the entire time arguing that sex and gender are the exact same thing. They don't seem to understand what they believe at all.
Funny how people say “sex is assigned at birth”, whilst I remember my fiancée’s ultrasound @20 weeks we were told by the midwife, “it’s a girl”. Sex _might be_ “assigned” at birth, but the chromosomal structure of our genus is determined in prophase. I am not a biologist, but I would assume this occurs hours or perhaps days after conception.
Well, I am a biologist (in New Jersey) & I say you'd better raise that baby as a boy, or you & your lovely fiancé are racist. I'm pretty sure that's how that works, but again, I'm only recognized as a biologist in New Jersey, so...
That's why you never let women vote or have any power. Men should be required to protect them. Not letting them vote or have power is our responsibility to protect them from themselves.
I feel really sorry for the imaginary guy that lost his wiener in a car accident and then apparently automatically would become female with no regard (all of a sudden) for his own views on the matter. Solid reasoning right there.
No one said he instantly became a women. They said he became intersex. Seriously they are no longer physically or biologically 100% functionally male. That is reality.
The guy wearing the posterboard is a saint. He’s doing everything he can to make those girls feel validated when it’s time for him to pretend to change his mind. They literally have no argument Other than people can do whatever they want. They literally don’t have the ability to think about the differences between men and women.
You can hear the lack of conviction in their voice as they defend their shaky position. It's almost like they understand what they are spouting doesn't make sense and falls apart under the simplest questioning but are scared to say the wrong thing and offending people. Also I lost it at "it's a hole", way to boil down a whole subset of humanity to such a flippant definition.
These are what are called liberal feminists, and liberal feminism is the cancer of feminism, they believe in this gender nonsense, “fat positivity”, the idea that “sex work”(their sterilized politically correct word for prostitution) is empowering for women, and a bunch of other nonsense. It’s misogyny sold as feminism.
That's the point, they don't believe it. They're just afraid of offending someone. By extension it gives everyone an excuse to do anything they want. I support your crazy ideas so now you have to support my crazy ideas. What's coming is the normalization of pedophilia.
I think they had a false sense of confidence because they heard terms like “assigned at birth” on repeat in class and on tv. I doubt they ever had any challenge on the beliefs that were served to them and that’s why they had no idea about the holes in their logic regarding the holes between their legs.
Gender expression is personality. Gender presentation is fashion. Anyone who believes they are in the wrong body is psychologically unwell, and needs psychological help You cannot cure a mental illness with surgery.
Right, and then many of those post-op commit suicide: bc they realize the grass isn’t greener on the other side and now they CANNOT go back to what they were born as… So even the “successful” trans highlight the very points of their ideological opponent … But the crazy libs blame that phenomenon on those ideological opponents: that those who have “trans” people avoid survey are responsible (“killing”) the trans that were successful in having surgery but then decided to kill themselves…. Put shortly, those leading the horse to toxic water blame those telling the horse not to go when the horse dies after drinking the poison water. That’s gaslighting.
"You cannot cure a mental illness with surgery." Don't be so sure. The mental is somehow a result of the physical, although we do not fully understand this yet and even if we did we probably could not simulate any more than we can climatical models. But by fiat of being an emersive property of some physical construction, there is a physical - surgical or medisinal - solution to any mental or psychological illment. I'm not saying we have that solution, or that "sexual reassignment"-surgery is healthy. And fixing one bolt might just unscrew another. Who knows, maybe every single individual must have something mentally wrong with them. But your statement seems a bit too absolutist.
and the same people who claim its possible to be "born in the wrong body" will get very upset if you ask them if it is possible to be a black man born in a white man's body.
actually it's proven that unlike the help modalities used lets say for annorexia, Gender Affirming care and social acceptance and support are proven to help Transgender folks. The treatments are totally different
And "blackfacing" men. Since most transitioners today are female. (But since we live in a gynocentric societies only the wellbeing and safety of women matter. And that has deep and necessary biological roots.)
Despite the interruption, this was a great, respectful conversation with diverse viewpoints. Check out Richard from Common Ground Conversations, who participated in this conversation. commongroundconversations.co/
At first that young woman seemed so rational. Until it became clear that she had no regard for factual information and apparently rationalizes everything through emotion.
He's indoctrinated and feels socially pressured to lose his temper and sieg heil to attack and 'out' the guy with the boarding. Ironically, I feel that this old geezer has the predisposition and personality to have been one of the first to fanatically get behind the Nazi movement back in pre-WW2 Germany and feel proud and vindicated to be part of that.
@@tupacalypse88 that’s what it makes it sound like 😂 I’ve been attending deliveries for almost 2 decades as a nurse and I’ve never assigned anything. I’ve observed and happily told families what they have. Most of them nowadays know before delivery.
Every time one of these women makes the argument that they would be perfectly happy and feel perfectly safe allowing biological males into their locker rooms, changing rooms and especially shelters, I just wish the next follow-up question to them would be "Have you ever been punched in the face by a man?" I am guessing the answer is no.
I think they believe in the good of people so strongly that they just can't fathom what could ever go wrong if there were no separate spaces for men and women in restrooms, changing rooms, sports competitions, abuse shelters, etc. ESPECIALLY for children and pubescent teens
I feel perfectly safe letting rapists and murderers into female locker rooms. People who are right wing get their own locker rooms where these people aren't allowed.
I would also like to.know if they believe we should have the right to fmle only things or if they agree with the T movement making it illegal to exist via "discrimination"
@@bobjohnson1633 As a woman, I understand your sentiment although I don't agree with it. Really disappointed at women who so carelessly throw away opportunities for our daughters. On the other hand, the older gentleman railing against the conversation as being transphobic makes a case in the opposite direction. it's a strange, strange world.
@@Cyllene1203Don't pretend to understand the sentiments of a man that says he wants to end wmns suffrage (which is a real and growing movement) because she said something stupid about wmn. How does that logically make sense...at all? He's literally agreeing with her premise while simultaneously using it as a fail against her?
The fact is, the downfall of western civilization tracks extremely well with giving women the vote. Same thing happened before the Roman empire collapsed as well.
Minority, please leave us alone. STOP stop making the majority 97 3% suffer from the minority 0.3% behaviors and actions. #1) Only a tiny few transgirl males and transwomen males invade, disrupt, and compete against females in sports. This MINORITY destroys the female MAJORITY. #2) Only a few transmen females pumped full of testosterone and have mental illnesses and LGBTQIA + mental illness people will commit rape, pedophiles, child molesters, groomers, and mass shootings at Christian Schools to commit HATE CRIMES killing Christian kids and teachers. Once again, the MINORITY is destroying the MAJORITY ( Christian kids). #3) Gun laws and the 2nd amendment rights are risk of being taken away from the MAJORITY of responsible gun owners because the MINORITY with mental ilnesses like psychotic, LGBTQIA +are committing massive school shootings and most of the crimes against nature, but NOT THE MAJORITY. #4") However, the gun rights are taken away from the MAJORITY because the MINORITY won't follow the gun laws. #5) Freedom of speech is being destroyed by the MINORITY and LGBTQIA + activits because anyone who expresses a different opion gets xensored, canceled, fired from jobs and beatvup at rallies by the MINORITY ewgo are do powerful from corporations and Hollywood and left wing liberals. The MINORITY has destroyed free speech by declaring every opinion from the MAJORITY that is different from theirs is HATE SPEECH, BIGOTRY, TRANSPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBICs, DISCRIMINATION AND HATERS. #6) Freedom of religion of the MAJORITY has been destroyed by the MINORITY who are Aetheist, Satanists and BELIEVERS in Transgender Ideology as their new religion. #7) When the MAJORITY read Bible scriptures aoud at protests rallies, the MINORITY calls this hate speech and the MAJORITY is arrested by cops GO TO JAIL. #7) The MINORITY celebrates gay pride month and can't reproduce their own children because TWO EGGS or two sperms CAN'T MAKE BABIES, the MAJORITY who procreate all the babies and children are MANDATED to celebrate pride month, drag queen story hour, frag queen explicit sex shows for kids, name men shaking their junk in ftontbof kids at pride parades, which goes against the MAJORITY right to Freedom of theirvown expressions nitvto engage in pride month celebrations
I would like to see if these women would agree when a man who says he is a woman invades their space in the way we have been seeing happen in the media.
It’s just about the genitals you have, except when the recreated genitals are poorly constructed to the point of being unrecognisable, then it’s about intent, but if a man unintentionally loses his genitals, then it’s about the absence of alternative genitals, and if there’s no surgery at all, then it’s about mental conviction, not genitals. This reminds me of Sacha Baron Cohen trolling vapid fashionistas as Bruno, leading them to agree to completely contradictory statements back to back, then asking “…and do you think consistency is important?”
Lol, exactly. Women always complain that men are sexualizing and objectifying women while they are the ones thinking all that defines a woman is a “hole”
The young woman could have been offered any facts and she would have reputed it. The very fact she wouldn't acknowledge the strength difference shows this. For the older lady, as she was placing so much on hormones I wish it had been pointed out that regardless of that adjustment there are other male attributes that give an advantage. Such as size of lungs, bone density, arm length, overall height etc. You might pose the question to the younger lady whether she would be happy to go in a boxing ring with Mike Tyson once he puts a wig on and states he feels like a woman.
When I first saw this channel, I thought it was a way to get one person's (or group's) views across, but I took the time to watch a few more videos and see this as a great way to communicate across the board. It made me think critically about how I view open discussion. Just because the questions are difficult (at times), it's FAR better to talk it through and visualize where we are at on a scale versus seeing ourselves and others in extremes. Sure, there are definitely extremes but that just proves how Peter's scale and open communication among the different opinions works. The people who seem to get mad or try to disrupt the conversations are the ones who don't have the skills to think critically, but once they are introduced to it (and open to CHOOSE to listen to other viewpoints) it's a step in the right direction. Thank you, Peter, for asking the difficult questions in our society so we can understand the people around us. This might reduce violence and open up civility in our culture even on a small scale.
Based on all of the responses I have seen from these video's, there are two types of people that push this gender ideology: the type that simply do not want to offend anyone and the type that actually believe people can magically change sexes.
@@dansschoolofschool also, by the end, while he accepted that the discussion helped him understand their position, the women still claimed they didn't understand his - they were obviously not engaging their brain.....
Exactly. These people are not even aware that they aren't even thinking. They are only concerned with social appeasement regardless of the realities involved. They are basically NPCs who are programmed to woke.
@@dax2005 very common. More conservative people tend to understand more left wing positions far better than the inverse. I say "more" in each direction because I'm aware liberals exist that break this paradigm and obviously there are ignorant conservatives.
@@dax2005 The most telling moment to me was when the younger of the two was asked to provide an argument to help the billboard man move closer to her position, yet all she could muster up was "sex can be changed by way of surgery and hormone treatment", which was nothing more than the exact same misconception of confusing superficial sexual characteristics (appearance) with the whole of what sex is actually comprised of (chromosomes, anatomy, functional organs both internal and external, etc.) that she had been repeating the whole time. Then, a little while later, she just shrugged and said that "it [was] the most basic argument she [could] think of", proving that she didn't even grasp that to convince an opponent in a debate one has to provide the best possible argument, one that is susceptible to actually motivate the other person to reconsider their position. Now that tells me a lot on how much thought she may have given to the topic prior to Peter's friendly "ambush".
Mmm...I don't buy the "don't want to offend anyone" or "being polite". They're not taking a neutral position. They're certainly oppositional and seem to have no problem sacrificing women, like most liberals on this topic. So the politeness only works in one direction, and it also happens to be on behalf of the side that is advocating (with active vlence) against prior civil rights legislation for W.
I identify as someone who doesn't give a damn how you identify yourself. People seem to be so desperate to find themselves interesting, special, or different because they are so out of touch with reality and social media makes them think that they have to be something they are not. It will be a cold day in hell when I give up my sense of morals, reality, and beliefs. I will never pander to this crap.
Putting aside that intersex people are still either male or female (there is no third gamete), I don’t see what relevance they have regarding transgenderism. Trans people are rarely if ever intersex. A transwoman, for example, is usually a complete male with XY chromosomes, a prostate, male genitalia and the physiology which produces small mobile gametes (sperm).
Yep, trans people are usually born with 0.0 reproductive organs of the opposite sex. Even after surgeries, the trans males have zero functional female organs.
sex: the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other. gender: the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender. In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact). Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”. The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies. Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”. If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed: It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!) For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms. Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
I'm the same age in the US, and I can remember when gender and sex were the same thing, the equipment you were born with and what you wanted to do with that equipment was your sexuality.
What I find interesting is that whether this topic is broached in Australia, the USA or the UK etc, you will get very similar responses from people, they even use the same words/ phrases/tag lines! Like " *assigned male at birth* " , "gender is a social construct" , "a woman is someone who identifies as a woman" etc and they ALWAYS bring up intersex!!! Every single time!! If you ask two people to talk about astrology, for example, especially if they are in different localities/ countries/ continents - no two people would explain their understanding of astrology in the same way, using the same language and bring up the same points!! I find it fascinating that people seem to have a set narritive and certain talking points with this topic but their argument quickly falls apart when questioned further. It's completely hollow. This ideology is not something that has evolved naturally from within communities, in the same time period, on opposite sides of the world. This ideology is something that seems to have infiltrated every western society, which is why the same talking points are used everywhere. Thank you Peter! This was great. The man (i can't remember his name) was excellent at finding common ground and articulating his arguments.
What impresses me most about Peter is that he doesn’t scream “You are an idiot” in someone’s face when they contradict their own position (though he must be tempted).
I hate when people focus so much on hormone levels... the differences go beyond that. Bone structure, muscle fiber type, center of gravity... even the male brain is different enough that it is cause for consideration.
As a former radical leftist if you were to ever tell me in 2023 i would have to reinforce gender norms and biological sex at home to my young children I would never have believed it. But here we are. Also as a former radical leftist I can say that no one I knew saw this coming. Not this complete turn of the tides. No one was ready for this and it shows. The vast majority of people who hold these positions now have not thought them through and have no solid framework that makes any of this make sense. It’s a fucking disaster and children / youth are paying the highest price.
Correct. Here’s a helpful way to understand this: Theory Institutions Beliefs Grievance Studies (Sokal Squared) attacked theory. Spectrum Street Epistemology reveals beliefs, which are downstream of institutions. The key now is to make use of this model and deploy the tools we have to engage at various levels.
I have always been bothered by the "Sex Assigned" at birth statement. It is not assigned at birth, it is assigned in the womb, by God if you're religious or Nature if you're not. When you are born your sex is "documented", as in, we see what you are and we're writing it down. Are there people that this method doesn't work due to some chromosomal issue.....sure, but they are the EXTREMELY small exception.
@@johnnybgoode2484 They understand the meaning of the words, they just don’t understand science… One mentioned “if there is a whole then” while the other woman stated “in forty or fifty years doctors can change sex”, then again maybe aliens are real and the have little devices that can change our entire DNA…
I believe he’s referring to the fact that the participants with the faultiest logic, weakest arguments and least proven facts are ALWAYS the ones who claim there is no argument that could be given to compel them to move to any line closer to neutral, never mind switch sides. Whereas the non-idiots usually provide some example for no other reason I suspect than to “play along” in the spirit of Peter’s objective of open-mindedness and honest debate.
39:41 Just an example - Women’s fastest 400m sprint was 47.6 seconds ran in 1957 by an East German runner (without a doubt she was juicing). US Boys fastest 400m sprint…44 seconds.
I really liked the guy with the billboard - he seemed genuinely curious and intent on steelmanning the other side's positions (more so than Billboard Chris 😂). Good choice of partner!
What about when you rationally look at people with CAIS, who are biologically male (in terms of chromosomes) and have internal testes instead of ovaries, but otherwise are physically women in all respects?
@scooterbarr325 a one word response here, and the period no doubt indicates we're to interpret it as a complete and already thought-though response, by proxy. Kind of like saying "all in!" with a 4, 7. Luckily if anyone calls you, simply cry "Bigot! Racist! Transphobe!" in that order and you get to have the pot anyway, because of your very very brave show of self-righteousness.
I would like to point out that not a single time did these girls even acknowledge or attempt to consider his primary argument which was chromosomes. A 50 minute conversation and not ONE SINGLE TIME did they confront his primary argument or acknowledge it’s implication in the determination of sex.
Virtue signaling and tolerance have truly choked the power of common sense. The fact that we are even having epic debates on the issue of gender identity and sex which should be simple as black and white has signified how much our society has devolved. These are subjects that even a five year old can explain but in this society adults can't even define what the difference between a man and a woman is. The future of our children and children's children are not looking favorable at all its terrifying.
The insight I got from listening to the answers given by the two females are that it is wrong to assume that everyone actually cares about what is objectively true. It was shocking that the young woman, when asked about the implications of allowing males to compete with females, did not seem to grasp that it would mean the displacement of females from sport. The women appeared to be completely oblivious to both the incoherence of their position, and the wider implications of their position.
Sex isn't assigned at birth by a doctor or midwife, although it may be observed. Sex is determined at the point of conception, depending on whether the fertilising sperm carries an X or a Y chromosome.
So I raised my oldest daughter as neutral (the second one had her older sisters stuff to play with), I didn't put her in dresses when she was a baby, no more pink than any other colour. From about the age of 18 months -3 , she started to gravitate towards dolls, loved building houses with duplo and was obsessed with fire trucks. From about four, she wanted to wear feminine clothes and was into unicorns, fairies, mermaids and playing as a mum, she also still loved fire trucks, loved watching blippi, loved jumping in puddles and getting dirty and digging in the garden. Perhaps I influenced her interest in being a mum, especially as her younger sister came along when she was 4-5, but her dad and I both share cooking and cleaning roles and we were both very hands on parents. In fact I went back to work and he was a stay at home dad. She however very early on identified more with me than her dad. My point (of all this waffle) is that I think some of the sex behaviours are innate and perhaps not as socially constructed as we think. I am not professing that I am right, this is just my opinion based on observing my child as she grew.
That is exactly how sex based stereotypes could be formed in the first place. In every society, there are behaviours associated with each sex. Then the non conforming children were noticed to be so because they had behaviours like the opposite sex.
"Some of the sex behaviours are innate" - Only "some"??! lol I think anyone who's had kids or been around kids can attest to this. This idea that we're supposed to believe - that all traditionally masculine and feminine behaviours are programmed into us - it's just lunacy. It's ridiculous. And there are tons of kids who are less "typical" than others in many ways (I was girly little boy, hated sports etc.). In fact, ALL kids are going to be somewhere on that spectrum of gender-typical behaviours. Some are more like the opposite gender. Parents and environment have *an* effect for sure. Like, if a little girl is never exposed to dolls or isn't allowed to play with them, she'll never gravitate towards them. But there's no question that the behaviours and things girls vs. boys *generally* gravitate towards is mostly innate. It cannot come entirely from environment. And honestly, I really don't think there is a huge difference in how most parents raise boys and girls. Those expectations from the 50s don't exist anymore, if anything, we're trying to do the opposite. The differences arise because *generally* those kids have differences in behaviour. That's my opinion based on observation, being alive and common sense, anyway. 100% agree.
@@burungpipitmakanpadiPsychologists have been doing experiments on babies for decades. Male and female *babies* have very, very strong interest and behavioral differences starting from birth. So no, the social constructionists are very wrong. Objectively.
Have you ever explained the Money-case? The boy twins, where on of them had his penis so damaged in a botched circumcision, that the parents were adviced to raise him as a girl. That is really a horrifying story.
Money coined the terms 'gender identity', 'gender roles' and 'sex assigned at birth'. He was also almost certainly am autogynephile and as his ruination of the brothers showed, a pedophile.
The "be kind" brigade don't care about that. They don't want to hear it. I told some of my female friends who support this nonsense to look up John Money, Alfred Kinsey, Fritz von Balluseck and Foccault etc to see if they'd still feel the same. They haven't budged an inch. I'm a woman and I expressed my concern to them about biological males in women only spaces, prisons, sports etc. I gave examples of each and the response was "you're always gonna get a bad egg" in something. I explained how trans ideology was eradicating gay rights but somehow I'm still the foolish gullible bigot. It really is pointless trying to reason with these people but somehow we must continue to try. I'm exasperated if I'm honest.
This is great thank you. It can be so beneficial to try to articulate your beliefs to another person and reflect on how your thinkking holds it all together, cos so often, our beliefs are based on competing ideas that don't stack up. I really appreciate those women going along with it and not walking away in frustration. I hope as a response to this they might go on to have an light bulb moment and understand what it means for women and children when we include males into the category woman and give away our words and rights.
If you've ever wondered how people get to the point of rounding up their neighbors for execution, this is a good example. People will go along with the most insane things.
They know they are lying. We know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. THEY LIE ANYWAY!
After Covid I lost any respect I had for Australia. Watching the people in the background and ignorance of the dissenters, I am affirmed in my disgust of what they have become. The West is lost IMO
*It's weird but in this past week I have been called a 'dinosaur' and a 'grandad' (I actually am a grandfather so that wasn't quite the slur they'd hoped for!) because I stated that sex is binary. Yes, there are 0.2% intersex but they're the exception and not the rule. When I was a teenager we had ear piercing and punk rock but nowadays youngsters appear to use the whole gender thing to express who they think they are. Unfortunately they are making decisions that will have far reaching consequences and potentially ruin their lives. All exacerbated by the wealth of lies and misinformation being put out there by misguided and/or dishonest individuals. Hopefully, in a decade or two we can look back and laugh at how silly we were to allow this BS to have such a huge impact upon society.*
The referent for gender is biological sex. Without reference to the sexes “gender” is a meaningless word. Its a messy concept nevertheless. It’s based on beliefs about how experiences and behaviours trend in the sexes when compared to one another. Some people claim gender is created by society, but sometimes you’ll hear biological experiences like having periods called “gendered”.
sex: the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other. gender: the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender. In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact). Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”). So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”. The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema. If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies. Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”. If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed: It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!) For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms. Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
Peter, could you start asking people how long they have had these opinions? Because I'm sure these grown adults did not have these beliefs even 5 years ago.
Excellent point!
THIS!👍
My guess is that many would just insist that their opinion on this never changed. But it would be interesting to hear the answers.
Tik tok probably
@@Cancionera40 were you asleep?
I love when they’re like:
“I agree with this thing that completely obliterates my position, but I still hold my position.”
Lol. Yeah that sums up most of these conversations Peter has with people. It's obvious most people don't work through the logic of their positions until someone else does it for them.
@@OmnipotentJC Yeah. In light of all the evidence showing that people do not use rationality to form their values, it’s kind of weird that people in the rationalist community continue advocating for a rationalist approach to politics. Seems to be the rational thing to do would be to accept that most people are by and large irrational in this area of their lives, and to use a more emotional approach to achieve our goals.
I think they mostly post rationalise things to fit whatever evidence they like, but its rarely the true reason they hold the beleif to start with, I think it mostly comes from a moral position, "being compassionate to trans people is what good people do, and I want to be a good person", anything that disagrees with that gets thrown by the wayside
@@jeffcapes There’s overwhelming evidence that shows this to be the case. That’s why I personally believe reason is a good way of persuading people, but emotional appeals are better.
And these people have a vote.
Sex is not "assigned" at birth. It is simply "observed" or "noted" at birth. If gender is fluid, but biological sex is fixed by nature, why must biological sex be transformed unnaturally to mimic the opposite sex when one's gender identity doesn't match one's biological sex. It seems to make more sense to simply ask society to accept those biological males who are more effeminate than others and those biological females who are more masculine than others.
Regarding those who say they "feel like" the gender that is opposite their biological sex, I don't know how this is even possible. In reality, none of us actually know what anyone outside of our own body feels, let alone what those in bodies of the opposite biological sex feels. I know what it feels like to be me, but I can't honestly say that all other biological males experience life as I do. I know that women are different than men, but I've never experienced life as a woman, so I don't know how I would possibly have a clue about how "being a woman" feels. It's nothing more than conjecture, really.
And it's unlikely there will ever be a way to change one's chromosomes or DNA.
If one puts Ferrari rims on a Chevy, it's still a Chevy. One cannot change their sex. Period. End of story.
You've summed my exact thoughts on this as well. Well done; that was very clear!
If genitals don't define sex...
Then how does altering them affirm it.
-internet meme.
Your common sense and logical reasoning make sense to most of us but for the select few that experience gender dysphoria they are unable to grasp the reality of their biological sex. Biological sex is one of the most binary things there is in nature, everything else is a continuum. No matter how strong the desire to have the genitals and secondary sexual characteristics of another gender, no amount of self-claiming, hormonal injections or any amount surgery will ever change your fix biological sex.
@@paulmaloney2383 Well-stated. That doctors are so willingly transitioning children will, most certainly, go down in history as one of America's worst crimes.
Actually sex is manifest BEFORE birth and confirmed at birth. It just doesn’t happen at birth. It can be observed with ultra sound.
Just because a male might say they feel like a woman, how do they actually know what it feels like to be a woman?
I'd go one further and say that you can't even know what it is to be any other man. You only have your experience of manhood and you have no way of comparing it with others' experiences. Therefore we should dispense entirely with the argument that feelings mean anything substantive and focus on the real world of biology.
They dont. They will never know what it feels like to have excruciating cramps from 11 years old or younger and bleed from a vagina. Then they will never know what it feels like to get pregnant. Period. These Woman are a disgrace to all Women. Disgusts me the brainwashing. Which this type of confusion has destroyed civilizations. History repeats.
They can't
They want to wear a dress and receive free favors 😂
Everything about males and females is different. Our sex organs of course but also our skeletons, our musculature, tendons and ligaments, our brains function differently, our emotions are predictably different. You cannot “feel” like a woman unless you are. You may have a fetish about having a vagina or wearing women’s clothes but you can’t possibly “feel” like a woman unless you are female. That said, it should be a persons choice to wear clothes typically associated with women or makeup or whatever else you feel like donning but you are the sex you are and there is no changing that. You can be whatever type of male you want to be or whatever type of female you want to be but you are in fact that sex and you can’t change it.
The mental gymnastics being performed in the name of tolerance is absolutely mind-numbing. 🤡🌎🤦♀️
Changes my position on neuroplasticity for sure.
Its a merry-go-round of nosence
@@imperfectious Neuroplasticity works in both directions, for the positive and the negative.
It's scary how mindlessly they recite the Newspeak nonsense 🤦🏾♀️😨
this is a beautiful and perfect way to put it.
It continues to amaze me how many people are completely oblivious to the biological definition of sex as a reproductive role. It's not determined by secondary characteristics like chromosomes or genetalia; sex is determined by an organism's potential to produce either large, immobile gametes (eggs) or small, mobile gametes (sperm). The former individuals are - by definition - female, and the latter are - by definition - male. And unless there is some highly advanced gene editing method that I'm unaware of, there is *no* possible way to change one's sex and start producing the opposite gamete type. As Helen Joyce once put it, it's not just the breasts and vagina and estrogen that makes her a female... *every single cell* of her body carries that reproductive role.
And the hole they fashion is for penetration only, reducing the vagina to something that simply provides pleasure for others...it's unbelievably offensive.
Boggled my mind. Has basic science class content been altered???
Maybe this is the root cause of the COMPLETE IDIOCY and confusion these people are spouting.
They did alter the definition of "vaccine" to include "gene therapy" in 2020. Just goes to show ANYTHING can be changed and you won't even realise till the next generation is talking bullshit in the streets
how is this different from chromosomes? Would it be incorrect to say that only a person with XX chromosomes has the potential to produce large, immobile gametes (eggs) ?
Do you think they are truly ignorant or consciously lying? Many liberals seem to believe a lie that feels morally virtuous has more value than truth.
I was under the impression that sperm is just produced by the testies and eggs are from the ovary.
I suppose I never gave the time to think about if it were possible to transplant them into someone else. And if you did transplant it to the opposite sex, would the body know what to do with it?
Watching these 4 adults grapple with understanding and making sense of these questions leads me to the conclusion that this is not a question or decision that we should be giving to children. If adults can’t understand it how on earth do we expect children to. This is a very dangerous experiment that can only lead to mind bending confusion.
Perhaps "confusion" of children is the goal,
Very good point!
They expect children to be groomed and indoctrinated like they claim the traditional role children are placed. They think that its okay to progressively teach children to become what they aren’t meant to be. That’s how they expect children to understand. Like ABC’s and 123’s. The human mind isnt fully developed until around age 25 so thats plenty of time to mold our nations youth into a nightmare.
@@lilyvonshtuup that's the problem, children believe what adults tell them, they don't know any better because they haven't had enough life experience to gain a sufficient knowledge base to question what they're being told & if the adult is someone the child admires like a TV celebrity/movie star, online influencer, a trusted caregiver like a parent, teacher, therapist, or doctor they tend to believe these adults. Kids believe Santa & the Easter Bunny is real. Children live in fantasy & have no issues accepting & believing they are dragons, dogs, cats, firefighters, astronauts, boys, girls, the list is endless. This is why pushing this delusional gender ideology onto young minds is criminal. It's taking advantage of their innocence & naivety.
@tonyhoffman3309 exactly
I can’t stand the term, “assigned at birth”. 🤦♂️
Yes, I agree. I have heard it described as "ibserved" at birth. This seems more truthful.
If anything, it’s “gender identity assigned at birth”. Conceptually, that makes sense to me. The activist types want to focus on sex though, because they want health insurance to pay for sex, reassignment surgery. If the focus were on gender, it has a lot less weight in the healthcare systems.
@@SeaTeaSnow gender identity is made up. It is not assigned at birth. At best you can assert that social constructs play a role in sex/gender stereotypes. This is a far cry from what the gender theory crowd assert.
Agreed. the reason for this term is that trans ideologists picked it so they could push their narrative. Avoid playing on the enemies chosen field of battle. Seriously, all of us fighting this nonsense could stand to reread Art of War.
No reasonable, intelligent person can.
It’s so sad that the young woman has had her notion of what a woman is reduced to if there is a hole between a person’s legs, no matter how it got there
Women aren't penis-less men.
@@THXx1138 sorry brother I'm mourning the death of the definition of women, it got murdered by this pseudo intellectual.
I know. It's so disgusting and demeaning. "Bonus hole." It's dehumanizing, like how a serial killer would think.
And then they turn back and say "do not objectify me!" :DDDD
@lovesilk1 a woman is- and can only ever be - an adult human being who was born biologically female.
A man can never be a woman - in any way, shape or form.
The problem is that so many people have never actually thought about it for themselves. That’s why the one lady sounded so confused: because she was trying to explain what she’s been told is “correct” and has never actually thought about whether it actually makes sense or not.
That's because people never needed to think about this stuff until institutional activists convinced them that it was possible to change sexes with technology. If they knew what those surgeries actually did they would likely be horrified; but the reality of what they are is too inconceivable to cut through the I inherent disbelief people have when confronted with them. It's a horror that even Lovecraft could not have conceived, and the consequences will be existentially devastating
I’m shocked how much these women are willing to dumb themselves down on the bases of “be kind”.
They know their lying to themselves.
Exactly. That girl absolutely knows that her boyfriend could easily overpower her but still denies it to be "kind". It wouldn't even matter to her if all womens sports would collapse. Maybe bc she hadn't done a situp in the last 5 years. 🤔
@@justmy2cents652 while their “being kind” biological males are destroying the hopes & dreams (also safety & fairness ) of young girls (biological females) in sports alone.
Where I live we have biological males in prison for very very serious crimes with with who didn’t pay their TV license.
Sometimes their lick up for 23 hours a day for “their safety”
This ideology is a danger to women & children. Especially gender non conforming kids.
@@justmy2cents652 The problem is that when we talk about "women's sports" we're usually talking about "men's sports done by women" in which men will naturally outperform any woman. In actual women's sports like synchronized swimming there isn't even a men's category in the Olympics and I don't see anyone crying about it because men are clearly inferior at it. I tend to think that getting rid of sex categories in professional sports would actually improve women's sports and new ones would emerge.
Not just kind. If you're caught on video saying "transphobic things"...
@@Dan_Capone I'm guessing every woman who is active in sports which you would call "men's sports" would disagree. And I think it is misogynistic nonsense to limit women to activities like gymnastics and synchronized swimming. Why is it so hard to accept/understand that in some spaces it is just a nobrainer to seperate via sex? Now we should forbid women to do certain sports bc men have an advantage in those? Seriously?!
It's so hard to believe that so many people are this far removed from reality, it's like they make it all up as they go along
And so much of it is based on faith. It is an immitation of religion.
The far left opperates very much religion, they're scared to say what they think since they'll be shunned by the group. They believe it because they're told they have to. Most of the US is removed from reality if you think about how many are religous.
@@dansschoolofschool There's no understanding. You really have to be believe in it.
@@dansschoolofschool Which is stereotyping and characterization of a particular sex which is sexist
In these experiments people definitely choose a line that they arent really sure about and cant back up but spew random tangents to try and prove their point.
This for the more outrageous people opting for lines that are the woke answers
OMG! She said if a guy lost his bits in an accident he automatically becomes intersex. You really can’t make this stuff up. 😂
Interestingly she allowed the person who, after experiencing an accident undergoing genital surgery, to "choose". But the cis guy who underwent a random tragic accident is irrevocably now intersex...
She's right. If you lose your dick, you're no longer a man... But you're not a woman either. Hence intersex
She is a freaking idiot.
Technically they become intersex or a eunuch. They no longer produce testosterone. That is itself basic biological reality. I think castration complex or fear falls into this for some people. They simply can't accept that it could happen to them and it would change them physically externally and internally. If you aren't producing testosterone it will also effect you mentally and you will be more emotional.
Humans have 2 arms, by her logic if I lost an arm I'm no longer human.
As a 64 year old woman who were subjected to all the unfair advantage to men, I am astounded that we are expected to give up so much of our wins. Just like that, women sport is back to extreme discrimination. Any fool knows that a man is stronger/faster than a woman physically. All a man now has to do is to say they identify as a woman and they are guaranteed to win with far less effort and talent. Plus they win the financial benefits in prizes. That a young woman would think that is a good move, sickens me. We have lost the plot as humanity. I hope this is a temporary condition. If not, we are screwed.
We as women are losing the ground we gained. It's disgusting our fellow woman are cheering it on.
Thank you ladies for.beimg sane.
its so depressing that the only women who are against toxic trans ideology are actually just misandry sexists.
Clearly these women have never been athletes.
Exactly! Women fought for single sex bathrooms to be added at work because there was so much sexual assault in shared bathrooms, women were just holding it for 12 hours which was physically damaging. Young women these days act like it's no big deal to just let some men back into those spaces, like they've forgotten the suffering of our ancestors 😢
When you are not allowed to challenge an idea, you know the strength of the idea.
This particular ideology is very dangerous in my opinion
Well, you know the strength of those who support the idea, that's for sure. This particular idea is incredibly weak and incoherent, yet so many self-professed liberals are perfectly willing to overlook the vicious, even violent, suppression of free speech in order to protect the idea from any real scrutiny. It's absolutely mind-boggling.
@@ponygirl1716 sunlight is not the best disinfectant. Its the only disinfectant. If you cant talk about something, theres a reason.
It can be an indication, but your statement is surely false how its stated.
00:37:00 “On average, are men stronger than women?”
*Loooooong pause*
“Are we talking… like…strength?”
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It’s amazing how the women with conviction that biological men should be able to play women’s sport clearly don’t play competitive sport.
Isn’t it amazing that the “success” of “trans” athletes only goes in one direction? Where are the “trans men” dashing records in men’s sports?
@@PowderedToastMan661 it’s quite wrong to assume that biological men always have the advantage in women’s sports. I mean, look at that Finnish figure skater 😂
@@nf6386 That was a disaster 🤣
@@nf6386 That was hilarious
Interestingly, the one participant contradicts herself moments later. Turned to the other participant and said 'we're just different'. Also, notice her grimace when Peter asks 'on average are men stronger than women'.
These 2 women are all over the place. Sex matters, then it doesn't, it can be tested, but it doesn't matter. I mean do they even have a standard they would adhere to?
No, because, knowingly or not, they have fallen for Queer Theory nonsense.
My favorite was … “If you have a hole” … It is sad how people lack the ability to make an argument with logic and reason…
Leftist drones adjust as the conversation goes, what is true from one moment to the next constantly changes as needed.
Nothing is stable (especially their mental state) and nothing is consistent, their entire existence is based on subjective delusional reality.
The standard they adhere to is that that nothing can prevent a man becoming a woman, and that if there is this thing called female and only some women can have it, that is unacceptable. Therefore the meaning of "female" has to change. And then we are forced to use terms like AMAB in situations where the truth is still needed. The truth is so stigmatized that it has to be relegated to the status of an embarrassing mistake.
They just want to live in a world where whatever they imagine, is the truth.
Every time I hear someone say biological male/female I lose a few more brain cells.
Same with sex "assigned at birth"
It's a mantra you supposed to repeat it until it becomes reality. Indoctrination is on full swing, the rest of us need to get on board. If you don't agree with that then you are label as a bigot and dismissed.
Yes, sex is only a biological category
Bigot. 😂
Same
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You cannot change your sex, you can only charge your aesthetic.
calm down vaush. Just because you can use aesthetic and other unusual words doesnt mean it applies. Most adult MtFs or FtMs are VERY UNaesthetic.
real vaginas dont need daily dialation to keep them from welding themselves shut.
Never ending cognitive dissonance and thought ending cliches
Well-said.
YES, its painful.
It’s actually doublethink:
Cognitive dissonance brought on by political indoctrination as opposed to being a natural phenomenon of their psychology.
Nobody holds these beliefs naturally.
This is absolutely insane. THe man with the billboard has a ton of patience.
That old guy is so embarrassing. He knows the truth but wants to be relevant to the younger crowd. We all know that men can't be women and women can't be men. It's a facade, a delusion.
My dad is like this guy 😮💨 He's a "moderate" living in Portland, OR.
It's not my job to accuse someone who says they're convinced (of something) of being secretly unconvinced, that sounds too much like evangelicals saying atheists actually _do_ believe in god, but just 'deny his existence' because 'they want to sin'.
Asking people what they think is not “embarrassing.” Young people are “brainwashed ideologues.”
Putting my neck out here, but check that guys hard drive.
@@DoublespeakNPC I agree. He's the kind of guy I'd cross the street to avoid, and NOT because of his physical appearance, but because of his frenetic attitude. "Methinks he doth protest too much" about his alleged inability to differentiate men from women. 😳🙇🏾♀️😖
These women are very confused and are arguing against their best interests. Very sad to see
Yeah, and the fact that they lack the reasoning tools (despite seeming reasonably intelligent/educated) to understand exactly how FLAWED their logic is is very concerning. Lots of people just don't know HOW to think anymore.
Very sad indeed.
Yea! She's a Parrot that lacks critical thinking
Yes, like two naughty monkeys who have found a saw and are now avidly taking turns enthusiastically sawing away at the very branch they're standing upon while a lion sits calmly basking in the sun at the foot of the tree awaiting the delivery of his midday meal that will be the sole inevitable outcome of such ill-conceived adventurism. Survival of the fittest in slow-motion.
Do you think the conservatives that have taken the opposite side are actually fighting for women's rights? When historically they haven't cared about them or they have directly fought against them? I only see people latching onto arguments to further their agenda making it look more positive.
You know what the problem is... there people didn't come to those conclusions by themselves. They are using language made up by ideologues and are repeating the talking points of the ideology. Basically they have a religious stance, based on beliefs and not backed by evidence.
you think you don't do that all day long on many multitude of common things such as the definition of "cheese"
@afuzzycreature8387 Sure, to some extent definition & categories are used all day without examination, but my gut sense there’s a difference between a definition of cheese based on a long history of real world experience and a movement that, at its core I believe, is gaslighting people to believe the opposite of reality: “This IS that. Silence IS violence. Trns women ARE women. Freedom IS slavery.”
@@afuzzycreature8387yes, but we haven't accepted ideas without utility. When you come across euphemisms you know it's emphasising a narrower frame of reference, or it's a gambit to change the definition/epistemology of common parlance. This is being done for an ulterior motive, that is evidence of ideology and not empirical objectivity.
No worse, because it’s not backed up by research, years and centuries, sources, and also cross verified by its opposer…. Science is religions opposer and as far as I can tell the belief in religion is backed by scripture, dates, CENTURIES of passing on stories and knowledge, and religions own opposer even verifies some dates and artifacts and what not, or even has natural explanations for some of the supernatural things described in religion……
Literally the only evidence this whole movement has is that people sometimes are attracted to just about anything, and also will make themselves appear and act in any way they deem fit…. So a man can love a man, but there’s still a MAN (and a woman) like, I can put on a wig and stuff my shirt and make myself appear “more like a woman” but that doesn’t make me not man or even something else or inbetween….. it’s so funny this whole ideology. All the different sun categories of rainbow people also in fight and make claims that “debunk” or “erase” the “truth” and and legitimacy and the experience of other rainbow groups….
Hell it seems even gender dysphoria and trans people genuinely seem to go through hell and have no idea what’s even going on with THEMSELVES. How can you even claim that you can claim to be something? Last time I checked your identity was based on how OTHERS view you…. Identity is negotiated with society….. you can’t identify as something that others refuse you are EVEN if those others are LYING! Think about it, someone could lie about your identity and even though it’s not true, because that person is lying, others might think it’s true and that can effect you LIKE it’s true! Got ‘em there too!
Literally I can’t imagine the mental pain/gymnastics these wackos must put themselves through….. like, gay people exist, people who claim they are the OPPOSITE sex exist, people claim to be all sorts of thing, do all sorts of things too. But at the end of the day, you are what you are. The harder you try to pretend your not-the harder your life will be and the harder you make it for ALL those around you. What’s with the PUSH for all this crap? Last time I checked, gay people and trans people just are gay or trans and find that out on their own and make all the changes themselves without being told how to do it or what they should do….. don’t need the propaganda because the propaganda will only confuse CONFUSED and SUSCEPTIBLE people. The real gays and trans find a way to be gay and trans lol…. If everyone knows what gender they feel like even as a CHILD then surely we don’t have to talk about it at ALL no?
Humans being humans, basically..
You have the genitals you have, yet are somehow "assigned". When we finally get over this lunacy, there is going to be a lot of denial and cringe when people look back at how irrational the human psyche can be.
Non stop gaslighting about this for sure
Then they’d have to admit they were wrong… it’ll never happen, people will only double down
The girls start out by saying that sex and gender are different, and then spend the entire time arguing that sex and gender are the exact same thing.
They don't seem to understand what they believe at all.
Nobody understands what they believe. It’s incomprehensible.
Funny how people say “sex is assigned at birth”, whilst I remember my fiancée’s ultrasound @20 weeks we were told by the midwife, “it’s a girl”. Sex _might be_ “assigned” at birth, but the chromosomal structure of our genus is determined in prophase. I am not a biologist, but I would assume this occurs hours or perhaps days after conception.
Well, I am a biologist (in New Jersey) & I say you'd better raise that baby as a boy, or you & your lovely fiancé are racist. I'm pretty sure that's how that works, but again, I'm only recognized as a biologist in New Jersey, so...
@@scottsherman5262😂😂😂
These people must hate gender reveal parties 🫢
@@anastasia-fr1gn Sex reveal parties...
Genus is a whole other catagory. By sex is determined the moment a sperm with either an x or y enters the egg.
As a woman myself, I must say I am embarrassed for these two young women.
😆This was incredible. "Sex & gender are different, except they are both made up and determined by what I feel like..."
And it's really really important that you agree with whatever fantasy I have created for myself or you are a bigot.
That's why you never let women vote or have any power. Men should be required to protect them. Not letting them vote or have power is our responsibility to protect them from themselves.
I feel really sorry for the imaginary guy that lost his wiener in a car accident and then apparently automatically would become female with no regard (all of a sudden) for his own views on the matter. Solid reasoning right there.
No one said he instantly became a women. They said he became intersex. Seriously they are no longer physically or biologically 100% functionally male. That is reality.
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Strongly agree.
Not female, just intersex 😂. These "women" shouldn't be allowed to express an opinion, they're too stupid.
He knows their material better than they do. And good on him for keeping calm and polite the whole time.
"Are men on average stronger?"
You can literally see her mind doing gymnastics to figure out how NOT to admit defeat
The guy wearing the posterboard is a saint. He’s doing everything he can to make those girls feel validated when it’s time for him to pretend to change his mind. They literally have no argument Other than people can do whatever they want. They literally don’t have the ability to think about the differences between men and women.
Guy tried so hard to be kind, like talking to kids.
He was often rather long-winded. I think he tries so hard to be kind and respectful that he became less clear and convincing
@@quantum_ocean I agree
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It seems likely that they simply don’t have the ability to think. About anything.
You can hear the lack of conviction in their voice as they defend their shaky position. It's almost like they understand what they are spouting doesn't make sense and falls apart under the simplest questioning but are scared to say the wrong thing and offending people. Also I lost it at "it's a hole", way to boil down a whole subset of humanity to such a flippant definition.
These are what are called liberal feminists, and liberal feminism is the cancer of feminism, they believe in this gender nonsense, “fat positivity”, the idea that “sex work”(their sterilized politically correct word for prostitution) is empowering for women, and a bunch of other nonsense. It’s misogyny sold as feminism.
That's the point, they don't believe it. They're just afraid of offending someone. By extension it gives everyone an excuse to do anything they want. I support your crazy ideas so now you have to support my crazy ideas. What's coming is the normalization of pedophilia.
I think they had a false sense of confidence because they heard terms like “assigned at birth” on repeat in class and on tv. I doubt they ever had any challenge on the beliefs that were served to them and that’s why they had no idea about the holes in their logic regarding the holes between their legs.
Yeah. I cringed at tht statement.
Gender expression is personality. Gender presentation is fashion.
Anyone who believes they are in the wrong body is psychologically unwell, and needs psychological help
You cannot cure a mental illness with surgery.
Right, and then many of those post-op commit suicide: bc they realize the grass isn’t greener on the other side and now they CANNOT go back to what they were born as…
So even the “successful” trans highlight the very points of their ideological opponent … But the crazy libs blame that phenomenon on those ideological opponents: that those who have “trans” people avoid survey are responsible (“killing”) the trans that were successful in having surgery but then decided to kill themselves….
Put shortly, those leading the horse to toxic water blame those telling the horse not to go when the horse dies after drinking the poison water. That’s gaslighting.
That's the point. They are forcing this idea now that gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but an "identity".
"You cannot cure a mental illness with surgery."
Don't be so sure. The mental is somehow a result of the physical, although we do not fully understand this yet and even if we did we probably could not simulate any more than we can climatical models. But by fiat of being an emersive property of some physical construction, there is a physical - surgical or medisinal - solution to any mental or psychological illment.
I'm not saying we have that solution, or that "sexual reassignment"-surgery is healthy. And fixing one bolt might just unscrew another. Who knows, maybe every single individual must have something mentally wrong with them. But your statement seems a bit too absolutist.
and the same people who claim its possible to be "born in the wrong body" will get very upset if you ask them if it is possible to be a black man born in a white man's body.
actually it's proven that unlike the help modalities used lets say for annorexia, Gender Affirming care and social acceptance and support are proven to help Transgender folks. The treatments are totally different
It's insane that people actually believe that men can become women 😅 it's all so crazy
They're basically black facing women.
You just need a dress and a wig
And "blackfacing" men. Since most transitioners today are female.
(But since we live in a gynocentric societies only the wellbeing and safety of women matter. And that has deep and necessary biological roots.)
@@kalig.4982but it seems that many of the f2m transitioners are primarily rejecting being a woman rather than seeking to become a man.
@@nf6386 , not true, TIFs are just as annoying as TIMs.
The “lose genitalia in an accident” question was everything I needed to hear . She has a materialistic view of the word
Despite the interruption, this was a great, respectful conversation with diverse viewpoints. Check out Richard from Common Ground Conversations, who participated in this conversation. commongroundconversations.co/
Great and lowly are RELATIVE, Pete. ;)
Incidentally, are you VEGAN?
I often marvel at the amount of patience you display.
@@tharkun21280 As a former Portlander, I can only imagine being a professor at PSU cultivated that saintlike patience! Phew.
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Is that your copy?
At first that young woman seemed so rational. Until it became clear that she had no regard for factual information and apparently rationalizes everything through emotion.
It’s sad to see an old man with such little control of his emotions that he literally heils out of frustration
He's indoctrinated and feels socially pressured to lose his temper and sieg heil to attack and 'out' the guy with the boarding. Ironically, I feel that this old geezer has the predisposition and personality to have been one of the first to fanatically get behind the Nazi movement back in pre-WW2 Germany and feel proud and vindicated to be part of that.
most western woke cultists are like that. and then they accuse you of being hateful and angry.
"Whether I agree or not, that is actually what happens" (on how hospitals observe ("assign") M or F at birth) - what an ASTOUNDING statement
hospitals dont assign M or F at birth- they acknowledge M or F. M or F gets assigned in the womb.
I hate when they say we assign it. We don’t. We observe and record it.
@@tracyaf6084You don't flip a coin?🤔🤔🤔
@@tracyaf6084 TRUE. Will edit to reflect, thank you!
@@tupacalypse88 that’s what it makes it sound like 😂 I’ve been attending deliveries for almost 2 decades as a nurse and I’ve never assigned anything. I’ve observed and happily told families what they have. Most of them nowadays know before delivery.
LMAO this first guy just punked himself out, as a Nazi 😅😅😅 GOLD😅🤡
Every time one of these women makes the argument that they would be perfectly happy and feel perfectly safe allowing biological males into their locker rooms, changing rooms and especially shelters, I just wish the next follow-up question to them would be "Have you ever been punched in the face by a man?" I am guessing the answer is no.
Same here! I also would like to know if they have ever thought why women might need a female shelter...
I think they believe in the good of people so strongly that they just can't fathom what could ever go wrong if there were no separate spaces for men and women in restrooms, changing rooms, sports competitions, abuse shelters, etc. ESPECIALLY for children and pubescent teens
I feel perfectly safe letting rapists and murderers into female locker rooms. People who are right wing get their own locker rooms where these people aren't allowed.
I would also like to.know if they believe we should have the right to fmle only things or if they agree with the T movement making it illegal to exist via "discrimination"
Why would you assume a trans woman in a women’s restroom would be punching people? Silly argument
I like the part where the feminist boils down a woman as a "hole"😂 priceless
That's why they should never be allowed to vote or have power.
@@bobjohnson1633 As a woman, I understand your sentiment although I don't agree with it. Really disappointed at women who so carelessly throw away opportunities for our daughters. On the other hand, the older gentleman railing against the conversation as being transphobic makes a case in the opposite direction. it's a strange, strange world.
I have a hole in my penis so I should have the right to use the women's changing room./s
@@Cyllene1203Don't pretend to understand the sentiments of a man that says he wants to end wmns suffrage (which is a real and growing movement) because she said something stupid about wmn. How does that logically make sense...at all? He's literally agreeing with her premise while simultaneously using it as a fail against her?
The fact is, the downfall of western civilization tracks extremely well with giving women the vote. Same thing happened before the Roman empire collapsed as well.
50 minutes of mostly peaceful conversation? 50 minutes of Peter Boghossian’s street epistemology? What a great day this turned out to be!
Yes, mostly peaceful. Don't know what ponytail man had stuck up his arse.
Peaceful until you reach the thumbnail 😂
@@danielh3668 mostly ;) just enough conflict to go with the discussion imo
Minority, please leave us alone. STOP stop making the majority 97 3% suffer from the minority 0.3% behaviors and actions.
#1) Only a tiny few transgirl males and transwomen males invade, disrupt, and compete against females in sports. This MINORITY destroys the female MAJORITY.
#2) Only a few transmen females pumped full of testosterone and have mental illnesses and LGBTQIA + mental illness people will commit rape, pedophiles, child molesters, groomers, and mass shootings at Christian Schools to commit HATE CRIMES killing Christian kids and teachers. Once again, the MINORITY is destroying the MAJORITY ( Christian kids).
#3) Gun laws and the 2nd amendment rights are risk of being taken away from the MAJORITY of responsible gun owners because the MINORITY with mental ilnesses like psychotic, LGBTQIA +are committing massive school shootings and most of the crimes against nature, but NOT THE MAJORITY. #4") However, the gun rights are taken away from the MAJORITY because the MINORITY won't follow the gun laws.
#5) Freedom of speech is being destroyed by the MINORITY and LGBTQIA + activits because anyone who expresses a different opion gets xensored, canceled, fired from jobs and beatvup at rallies by the MINORITY ewgo are do powerful from corporations and Hollywood and left wing liberals. The MINORITY has destroyed free speech by declaring every opinion from the MAJORITY that is different from theirs is HATE SPEECH, BIGOTRY, TRANSPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBICs, DISCRIMINATION AND HATERS.
#6) Freedom of religion of the MAJORITY has been destroyed by the MINORITY who are Aetheist, Satanists and BELIEVERS in Transgender Ideology as their new religion.
#7) When the MAJORITY read Bible scriptures aoud at protests rallies, the MINORITY calls this hate speech and the MAJORITY is arrested by cops GO TO JAIL.
#7) The MINORITY celebrates gay pride month and can't reproduce their own children because TWO EGGS or two sperms CAN'T MAKE BABIES, the MAJORITY who procreate all the babies and children are MANDATED to celebrate pride month, drag queen story hour, frag queen explicit sex shows for kids, name men shaking their junk in ftontbof kids at pride parades, which goes against the MAJORITY right to Freedom of theirvown expressions nitvto engage in pride month celebrations
"Do you understand more now than when we started playing?"
"No"
The smartest thing she said all video 😅
Nicely done Peter! Keep asking the questions - somebody has to do it ;-)
That's the plan!
I would like to see if these women would agree when a man who says he is a woman invades their space in the way we have been seeing happen in the media.
When Peter asked about the botched surgery and the women said,” is there a hole?” I lost it
Bonus hole!!!
It’s just about the genitals you have, except when the recreated genitals are poorly constructed to the point of being unrecognisable, then it’s about intent, but if a man unintentionally loses his genitals, then it’s about the absence of alternative genitals, and if there’s no surgery at all, then it’s about mental conviction, not genitals. This reminds me of Sacha Baron Cohen trolling vapid fashionistas as Bruno, leading them to agree to completely contradictory statements back to back, then asking “…and do you think consistency is important?”
@@nf6386 this is great! and you're exactly right, there is zero consistency in their reasoning, or lack thereof.
That made me so sad for her. Does she see her own vagina as nothing but a “hole”?
Lol, exactly. Women always complain that men are sexualizing and objectifying women while they are the ones thinking all that defines a woman is a “hole”
The young woman could have been offered any facts and she would have reputed it. The very fact she wouldn't acknowledge the strength difference shows this. For the older lady, as she was placing so much on hormones I wish it had been pointed out that regardless of that adjustment there are other male attributes that give an advantage. Such as size of lungs, bone density, arm length, overall height etc. You might pose the question to the younger lady whether she would be happy to go in a boxing ring with Mike Tyson once he puts a wig on and states he feels like a woman.
They are delusional. There are over 10,000 biological differences between men and women
great points but that would have scared them off. Facts are hate speech for some people so it was a fantastic step just to get them to engage.
When I first saw this channel, I thought it was a way to get one person's (or group's) views across, but I took the time to watch a few more videos and see this as a great way to communicate across the board. It made me think critically about how I view open discussion. Just because the questions are difficult (at times), it's FAR better to talk it through and visualize where we are at on a scale versus seeing ourselves and others in extremes. Sure, there are definitely extremes but that just proves how Peter's scale and open communication among the different opinions works.
The people who seem to get mad or try to disrupt the conversations are the ones who don't have the skills to think critically, but once they are introduced to it (and open to CHOOSE to listen to other viewpoints) it's a step in the right direction.
Thank you, Peter, for asking the difficult questions in our society so we can understand the people around us. This might reduce violence and open up civility in our culture even on a small scale.
Based on all of the responses I have seen from these video's, there are two types of people that push this gender ideology: the type that simply do not want to offend anyone and the type that actually believe people can magically change sexes.
@@dansschoolofschool also, by the end, while he accepted that the discussion helped him understand their position, the women still claimed they didn't understand his - they were obviously not engaging their brain.....
Exactly. These people are not even aware that they aren't even thinking. They are only concerned with social appeasement regardless of the realities involved. They are basically NPCs who are programmed to woke.
@@dax2005 very common. More conservative people tend to understand more left wing positions far better than the inverse. I say "more" in each direction because I'm aware liberals exist that break this paradigm and obviously there are ignorant conservatives.
@@dax2005 The most telling moment to me was when the younger of the two was asked to provide an argument to help the billboard man move closer to her position, yet all she could muster up was "sex can be changed by way of surgery and hormone treatment", which was nothing more than the exact same misconception of confusing superficial sexual characteristics (appearance) with the whole of what sex is actually comprised of (chromosomes, anatomy, functional organs both internal and external, etc.) that she had been repeating the whole time.
Then, a little while later, she just shrugged and said that "it [was] the most basic argument she [could] think of", proving that she didn't even grasp that to convince an opponent in a debate one has to provide the best possible argument, one that is susceptible to actually motivate the other person to reconsider their position. Now that tells me a lot on how much thought she may have given to the topic prior to Peter's friendly "ambush".
Mmm...I don't buy the "don't want to offend anyone" or "being polite". They're not taking a neutral position. They're certainly oppositional and seem to have no problem sacrificing women, like most liberals on this topic. So the politeness only works in one direction, and it also happens to be on behalf of the side that is advocating (with active vlence) against prior civil rights legislation for W.
I identify as someone who doesn't give a damn how you identify yourself. People seem to be so desperate to find themselves interesting, special, or different because they are so out of touch with reality and social media makes them think that they have to be something they are not. It will be a cold day in hell when I give up my sense of morals, reality, and beliefs. I will never pander to this crap.
Putting aside that intersex people are still either male or female (there is no third gamete), I don’t see what relevance they have regarding transgenderism. Trans people are rarely if ever intersex. A transwoman, for example, is usually a complete male with XY chromosomes, a prostate, male genitalia and the physiology which produces small mobile gametes (sperm).
Yep, trans people are usually born with 0.0 reproductive organs of the opposite sex. Even after surgeries, the trans males have zero functional female organs.
60 years living in Australia I have never used the term gender until now. Sex is better
sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
Agreed. Gender is a pretty useless word just meaning infinite personalities based on stereotypes
@@TheVeganVicarhell nah bro asked chatgpt what gender and sex means ☠️ and it’s still wrong 😂
@@itzkhaos9643Ai is still feed information by a human being when created
I'm the same age in the US, and I can remember when gender and sex were the same thing, the equipment you were born with and what you wanted to do with that equipment was your sexuality.
I’m really interested to see attitudes across different countries- I hope Peter travels and tests this out in lots of places
Thank you for the laughs! The ignorance is astounding in those two women.
I can never understand how women become footsoldiers for gender ideology
Women's compassion comes before logic.
If I got into a freak accident where I lost my parts and someone tried to call me intersex.. I don't even know where to start.
I mean.. so if you get testicular cancer, breast cancer, etc. are you now at risk of becoming less of a man or woman?
Where the heck did she get her definition of intersex? I'm embarrassed for her.
@@charliecarpenter9802 Only if it happens to be useful to a transgender activist in need of a cheap rehetorical defence.
We're never going to get to Mars if this is what they're doing in college
What I find interesting is that whether this topic is broached in Australia, the USA or the UK etc, you will get very similar responses from people, they even use the same words/ phrases/tag lines! Like " *assigned male at birth* " , "gender is a social construct" , "a woman is someone who identifies as a woman" etc and they ALWAYS bring up intersex!!! Every single time!!
If you ask two people to talk about astrology, for example, especially if they are in different localities/ countries/ continents - no two people would explain their understanding of astrology in the same way, using the same language and bring up the same points!!
I find it fascinating that people seem to have a set narritive and certain talking points with this topic but their argument quickly falls apart when questioned further. It's completely hollow. This ideology is not something that has evolved naturally from within communities, in the same time period, on opposite sides of the world. This ideology is something that seems to have infiltrated every western society, which is why the same talking points are used everywhere.
Thank you Peter! This was great. The man (i can't remember his name) was excellent at finding common ground and articulating his arguments.
What impresses me most about Peter is that he doesn’t scream “You are an idiot” in someone’s face when they contradict their own position (though he must be tempted).
So sad to see women arguing for their own elimination. What a scam they have pulled off.
Very well stated!
This is proof people can hold two conflicting thoughts in their head at the same time and still be able to breathe.
Cognitive dissonance
Feelings have made a lot of ground in their war against facts.
Conditioning...? That's a scary word.🤯 that's like forcing someone to do something they don't agree to do.
No sweetie, you can't change sex. You can only cosplay.
I hate when people focus so much on hormone levels... the differences go beyond that. Bone structure, muscle fiber type, center of gravity... even the male brain is different enough that it is cause for consideration.
Exactly. Nervous system too. Many things that don't rely on strength, and even strength doesn't rely totally on mass
Its incredibly rare to hear voices on both sides like this. Well done by both sides of the debate
My father routinely used to say "I´m surrounded by idiots."
Now I get it.
"nothing can change my mind" this makes me wince every time I hear it. especially if the house is build on a weak foundation.
As a former radical leftist if you were to ever tell me in 2023 i would have to reinforce gender norms and biological sex at home to my young children I would never have believed it.
But here we are.
Also as a former radical leftist I can say that no one I knew saw this coming. Not this complete turn of the tides. No one was ready for this and it shows.
The vast majority of people who hold these positions now have not thought them through and have no solid framework that makes any of this make sense.
It’s a fucking disaster and children / youth are paying the highest price.
Correct. Here’s a helpful way to understand this:
Theory
Institutions
Beliefs
Grievance Studies (Sokal Squared) attacked theory.
Spectrum Street Epistemology reveals beliefs, which are downstream of institutions.
The key now is to make use of this model and deploy the tools we have to engage at various levels.
I have always been bothered by the "Sex Assigned" at birth statement. It is not assigned at birth, it is assigned in the womb, by God if you're religious or Nature if you're not. When you are born your sex is "documented", as in, we see what you are and we're writing it down. Are there people that this method doesn't work due to some chromosomal issue.....sure, but they are the EXTREMELY small exception.
Haven't these people heard of ultrasounds?
@@pwcinlathey probably subscribe to the belief that it’s not a human in the womb and also not alive
we really need more calm, rational, public discussions like this... it's the only way to get to the reality
agree! Encouraging to hear this topic discussed in a respectful way.
11 out of 10....good conversation... respectful despite differences... well done sir... nice moderation. This is what the world needs more of ❤❤❤
Amazes me how one side is open to change and understanding and for the most part the other side is not
Please explain. It appears to me that one side understands the definition of words, and the other side does not.
Introspection is hard. Much easier to just claim that biology is for bigots and math is racist etc.
@@johnnybgoode2484 They understand the meaning of the words, they just don’t understand science… One mentioned “if there is a whole then” while the other woman stated “in forty or fifty years doctors can change sex”, then again maybe aliens are real and the have little devices that can change our entire DNA…
I believe he’s referring to the fact that the participants with the faultiest logic, weakest arguments and least proven facts are ALWAYS the ones who claim there is no argument that could be given to compel them to move to any line closer to neutral, never mind switch sides. Whereas the non-idiots usually provide some example for no other reason I suspect than to “play along” in the spirit of Peter’s objective of open-mindedness and honest debate.
@@CultJam78 nailed it!
Obviously someone who's never done sports, let alone competed. How can you be so out of touch with reality?
This was tough to watch, but I think it's important work you're doing.
39:41 Just an example - Women’s fastest 400m sprint was 47.6 seconds ran in 1957 by an East German runner (without a doubt she was juicing). US Boys fastest 400m sprint…44 seconds.
I really liked the guy with the billboard - he seemed genuinely curious and intent on steelmanning the other side's positions (more so than Billboard Chris 😂). Good choice of partner!
The brilliant thing about this format is that when you talk things out calmly and rationally, it always goes to the right.
What about when you rationally look at people with CAIS, who are biologically male (in terms of chromosomes) and have internal testes instead of ovaries, but otherwise are physically women in all respects?
Intersex.
What do you mean 'to the right'? As in, you converge on the 'right answer'?
@@scooterbarr325 technically intersex, genetically male, but undeniably women - proving that sex and gender need to be considered as separate things
@scooterbarr325 a one word response here, and the period no doubt indicates we're to interpret it as a complete and already thought-though response, by proxy. Kind of like saying "all in!" with a 4, 7. Luckily if anyone calls you, simply cry "Bigot! Racist! Transphobe!" in that order and you get to have the pot anyway, because of your very very brave show of self-righteousness.
I would like to point out that not a single time did these girls even acknowledge or attempt to consider his primary argument which was chromosomes. A 50 minute conversation and not ONE SINGLE TIME did they confront his primary argument or acknowledge it’s implication in the determination of sex.
I noticed that. It’s a typical cult style of debate that they would ignore objective facts and focus on emotion.
Virtue signaling and tolerance have truly choked the power of common sense. The fact that we are even having epic debates on the issue of gender identity and sex which should be simple as black and white has signified how much our society has devolved. These are subjects that even a five year old can explain but in this society adults can't even define what the difference between a man and a woman is. The future of our children and children's children are not looking favorable at all its terrifying.
Tell me that these two women never played organized sports without telling me they never did.🤣🤣
They’re so willing to take that opportunity away from young girls.
The insight I got from listening to the answers given by the two females are that it is wrong to assume that everyone actually cares about what is objectively true. It was shocking that the young woman, when asked about the implications of allowing males to compete with females, did not seem to grasp that it would mean the displacement of females from sport. The women appeared to be completely oblivious to both the incoherence of their position, and the wider implications of their position.
Sex isn't assigned at birth by a doctor or midwife, although it may be observed. Sex is determined at the point of conception, depending on whether the fertilising sperm carries an X or a Y chromosome.
I was typing as you were posting 😂👍
These videos are so great, just found them. Hope you’re still doing them!
did y'all see how fecking excited peter got when that lady moved ONE line?! he's awesome.
Excellent use of the Socratic method to facilitate discussion and further understanding.
So I raised my oldest daughter as neutral (the second one had her older sisters stuff to play with), I didn't put her in dresses when she was a baby, no more pink than any other colour. From about the age of 18 months -3 , she started to gravitate towards dolls, loved building houses with duplo and was obsessed with fire trucks. From about four, she wanted to wear feminine clothes and was into unicorns, fairies, mermaids and playing as a mum, she also still loved fire trucks, loved watching blippi, loved jumping in puddles and getting dirty and digging in the garden. Perhaps I influenced her interest in being a mum, especially as her younger sister came along when she was 4-5, but her dad and I both share cooking and cleaning roles and we were both very hands on parents. In fact I went back to work and he was a stay at home dad. She however very early on identified more with me than her dad. My point (of all this waffle) is that I think some of the sex behaviours are innate and perhaps not as socially constructed as we think. I am not professing that I am right, this is just my opinion based on observing my child as she grew.
That is exactly how sex based stereotypes could be formed in the first place. In every society, there are behaviours associated with each sex. Then the non conforming children were noticed to be so because they had behaviours like the opposite sex.
"Some of the sex behaviours are innate" - Only "some"??! lol
I think anyone who's had kids or been around kids can attest to this. This idea that we're supposed to believe - that all traditionally masculine and feminine behaviours are programmed into us - it's just lunacy. It's ridiculous.
And there are tons of kids who are less "typical" than others in many ways (I was girly little boy, hated sports etc.). In fact, ALL kids are going to be somewhere on that spectrum of gender-typical behaviours. Some are more like the opposite gender.
Parents and environment have *an* effect for sure. Like, if a little girl is never exposed to dolls or isn't allowed to play with them, she'll never gravitate towards them. But there's no question that the behaviours and things girls vs. boys *generally* gravitate towards is mostly innate. It cannot come entirely from environment.
And honestly, I really don't think there is a huge difference in how most parents raise boys and girls. Those expectations from the 50s don't exist anymore, if anything, we're trying to do the opposite. The differences arise because *generally* those kids have differences in behaviour.
That's my opinion based on observation, being alive and common sense, anyway.
100% agree.
@@burungpipitmakanpadiPsychologists have been doing experiments on babies for decades. Male and female *babies* have very, very strong interest and behavioral differences starting from birth.
So no, the social constructionists are very wrong. Objectively.
@@Christobanistan yes I agree.
You're a weirdo
Have you ever explained the Money-case? The boy twins, where on of them had his penis so damaged in a botched circumcision, that the parents were adviced to raise him as a girl. That is really a horrifying story.
Money coined the terms 'gender identity', 'gender roles' and 'sex assigned at birth'. He was also almost certainly am autogynephile and as his ruination of the brothers showed, a pedophile.
The "be kind" brigade don't care about that. They don't want to hear it. I told some of my female friends who support this nonsense to look up John Money, Alfred Kinsey, Fritz von Balluseck and Foccault etc to see if they'd still feel the same. They haven't budged an inch. I'm a woman and I expressed my concern to them about biological males in women only spaces, prisons, sports etc. I gave examples of each and the response was "you're always gonna get a bad egg" in something. I explained how trans ideology was eradicating gay rights but somehow I'm still the foolish gullible bigot. It really is pointless trying to reason with these people but somehow we must continue to try. I'm exasperated if I'm honest.
Anyone who says things like “sex assigned at birth” immediately outs themselves as an ideologue without logic or care for reality or truth.
This is great thank you.
It can be so beneficial to try to articulate your beliefs to another person and reflect on how your thinkking holds it all together, cos so often, our beliefs are based on competing ideas that don't stack up.
I really appreciate those women going along with it and not walking away in frustration.
I hope as a response to this they might go on to have an light bulb moment and understand what it means for women and children when we include males into the category woman and give away our words and rights.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
It’s pretty incredible that you can grab someone off the street and get someone that is this confused 🥺
If you've ever wondered how people get to the point of rounding up their neighbors for execution, this is a good example. People will go along with the most insane things.
They know they are lying.
We know they are lying.
They know that we know they are lying.
We know that they know that we know they are lying.
THEY LIE ANYWAY!
After Covid I lost any respect I had for Australia. Watching the people in the background and ignorance of the dissenters, I am affirmed in my disgust of what they have become. The West is lost IMO
I really enjoy watching these through! It's so refreshing watching civil conversations ☺️
Glad you like them!
It's refreshing to hear the stupidest humans to ever live make up lies to convince themselves?
Refreshing to listen to people speak without interruptions. Regardless of your belief.
*It's weird but in this past week I have been called a 'dinosaur' and a 'grandad' (I actually am a grandfather so that wasn't quite the slur they'd hoped for!) because I stated that sex is binary. Yes, there are 0.2% intersex but they're the exception and not the rule. When I was a teenager we had ear piercing and punk rock but nowadays youngsters appear to use the whole gender thing to express who they think they are. Unfortunately they are making decisions that will have far reaching consequences and potentially ruin their lives. All exacerbated by the wealth of lies and misinformation being put out there by misguided and/or dishonest individuals. Hopefully, in a decade or two we can look back and laugh at how silly we were to allow this BS to have such a huge impact upon society.*
The referent for gender is biological sex. Without reference to the sexes “gender” is a meaningless word.
Its a messy concept nevertheless. It’s based on beliefs about how experiences and behaviours trend in the sexes when compared to one another. Some people claim gender is created by society, but sometimes you’ll hear biological experiences like having periods called “gendered”.
sex:
the state of being either male or female in most species of metazoans. In humans, each cell nucleus contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, a total of 46 chromosomes. The first 22 pairs are called autosomes. Autosomes are homologous chromosomes, that is, chromosomes that contain the same genes (regions of DNA) in the same order along their chromosomal arms. The 23rd pair of chromosomes are called allosomes (sex chromosomes). These consist of two X chromosomes in most all females, and an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in most all males. Females, therefore, have 23 homologous chromosome pairs, while males have 22. The X and Y chromosomes have small regions of homology called pseudoautosomal regions. The X chromosome is always present as the 23rd chromosome in the ovum, while either an X or Y chromosome may be present in an individual spermatozoon cell gamete.
An extremely minute percentage of humans are either (anatomical) hermaphrodites or of indeterminate sex (or to be more accurate, disordered sex). That does not negate the incontrovertible FACT that there are but two sexes/genders. In order for reproduction to take place, there is the requirement of a female ovum and a male sperm to unite, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division of most species of animals is to enable procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the individual in question. There is no third gamete. Cf. “gender”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
If the reader is curious to know the reason for this term being included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because, in recent times, LEFTISTS have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the words “sex” and “gender”, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, immoral ideologies, especially by promoting the nonsensical idea that a person is able to transition from one gender to the other.
gender:
the state of being either male or female, and because the entire purpose of the gender/sex division in most species of animal life is to facilitate procreation, the sexual identity of an individual is best classified according to the gametes produced by the person in question. There is no extant third gamete. An extremely minute percentage of humans are either “intersex” (typically referring to those who are anatomical hermaphrodites) or of indeterminate gender (that is, not easily determined by a cursory inspection of the external genitalia), but that does not negate the incontrovertible scientific fact that there are only two genders. As far as we know, there has never existed a single human being with the ability to BOTH conceive a child in his/her womb and, simultaneously, successfully inseminate a woman (or in more disturbing terms, for a hermaphrodite to inseminate him/herself). And even if such an individual has existed, that person would be a combination of BOTH male and female, and not some imaginary, novel third gender.
In those rare cases in which a human is born without gonads, the other characteristics of sex/gender would be taken into consideration - firstly, the allosomes (sex chromosomes) found in the DNA of every cell, and then, any extant genitalia, since even those females who have experienced the misfortune of being born without ovaries, for instance, usually have their remaining sex organs intact).
Cf. “sex”. Both terms (“gender” and “sex”) originate from Latin words: “genus” (meaning “begin”; “birth”; “kind”; “race”; “gender”) and “sexus” (meaning “sex”; “division”; “gender”).
So, essentially, the only significant distinction between the two terms is that the etymology of “gender” pertains to the beginning of things, as can be plainly seen by the other English words that originate from "genus", such as “generic”, “genetic”, and “generate”, whilst “sex” is a scrupulously-literal translation of the Latin cognate “sexus”.
The mere fact that the word “genitals” (referring to reproductive organs) is very closely related to the Latin “genus” is further evidence of the assertion that the term “gender” refers to the binary division of human (and of course, many non-human) sexual identity, and NOT to any taxonomy based on emotion, feelings, psychology, or any other non-biological categorization schema.
If the reader is curious to know why this term is included in the glossary of “F.I.S.H” (apart from the fact that it is actually used in a handful of chapters), it is because leftists have been desperately trying to change the meaning of the word in recent times, in order to serve their immensely-perverse agenda to destroy civil society with their hateful, wicked, sinful, objectively-immoral ideologies.
Until relatively recently, the word “gender” has ALWAYS been used in the etymologically-accurate sense of the term, and even in the former case, predominantly where leftist ideologues comprise a significant proportion of the population. See also “leftism”.
If you are truly wise and intelligent, you would surely have recognized several amazing secrets contained within the body of this treatise, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”. However, perhaps the most secretive secret, shall forthwith be revealed:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to change his or her sex/gender! (You are implored to keep this secret - do not tell a soul!!!)
For example, a man who castrates himself and wears a skirt or a dress is simply a mutilated, transvestinal male - not a woman or a female. Similarly, a woman who attaches an appendage resembling a phallus to her crotch and dons a pair of pantaloons, is merely a transvestinal woman with a fake penis between her thighs, and not a man, nor a male, in any accurate sense of the terms.
Actually, I would contend that any “man” who excises his reproductive organs was ALWAYS a dickless “man”, metaphorically speaking. 🤪
There is no gender, it's a recent invention